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Speaker 1: and Out Podcast? How are we doing? My people? Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: that Sunday night game was awesome. That was really fun.

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Speaker 1: And I think sometimes we've obviously had an up and

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Speaker 1: enjoyed watching a game where a quarterback completed five passes

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Speaker 1: five years ago, it was like six. I like touchdowns

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Speaker 1: We're only halfway through. But I don't see how Seattle

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Speaker 1: an incredible amount of draft capital, They got an incredible

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Speaker 1: amount of you know, we run the team again. We

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Speaker 1: don't have this egomaniac that pretends to be this like

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Speaker 1: it turns out Pete Carroll's pretty good. Turns out John

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Speaker 1: Snyder's not bad either, because they flipp Russell Wilson and

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Speaker 1: they've turned all these draft picks into sweet players. And

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Speaker 1: you watch Seattle play today and they and here's what

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Speaker 1: the reality is with Pete Carroll. When he has a

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Speaker 1: in the early two thousands, he kicks ass. At USC

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Speaker 1: he had Reggie Bush and Linda White, they dominated. He

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Speaker 1: gets the Seattle. He makes one of the great underrated

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Speaker 1: trays that we don't talk about enough. For Marshawn Lynch

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Speaker 1: in Buffalo, I think they traded him for a fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick. Marshawn Lynch helped change the franchise. I mean

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Speaker 1: he was their offense. And now he has Kenneth Walker,

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Speaker 1: who I'm not trying to anoint Kenneth Walker, but I

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Speaker 1: of reminds me of La Damian Tomlinson. Kenneth Walker, I

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Speaker 1: feel pretty confident he's a top five running back right now.

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Speaker 1: They obviously both there starting tackles or rookies, and one

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Speaker 1: like you, it's the Arizona Cardinals just an unmitigated consistent disaster.

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Speaker 1: They they are parts of every game they play, and

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Speaker 1: it's like do they even want to be here? Do

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Speaker 1: they even care? And then they'll have some moments because

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Speaker 1: they have talent where they get back in the game,

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Speaker 1: But overall it's just a poorly coached, poorly run and

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Speaker 1: just an underachieving team. Seattle is the complete opposite. You go,

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Speaker 1: it feels like everyone's pulling on the same string. Every

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Speaker 1: guy is playing fast, every guy's playing his balls off,

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Speaker 1: and then they're watching a guy they actually got some

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Speaker 1: talent to, you know, add Kenneth Walker to go with

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Speaker 1: DK and lock it defensively. They got guys flying around.

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Speaker 1: It's like, well, actually they don't miss Bobby Wagner and

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Speaker 1: listen did did the Pete Carroll and John handle Bobby

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Speaker 1: Wagner situation correctly? Clearly not? Because when a guy plays

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Speaker 1: for you as long as Bobby Wagner did, there's probably

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Speaker 1: the right way is you contact him before you ever

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Speaker 1: cut him. Right. It's very black and white. But like,

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Speaker 1: do they miss him because I watched him and go, No,

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Speaker 1: they don't. And I would say most of the guys

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Speaker 1: that they've gotten rid of over the years they were right.

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Speaker 1: And you could argue there's a chance they have never

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Speaker 1: been more right in selling Russell Wilson to the Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 1: Because you watched that game today and I watched a

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Speaker 1: lot of it. It feels like John and Pete fleece

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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, and like I said, you know you

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Speaker 1: got it. Takes a little more time to truly evaluate

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Speaker 1: a trade, but I don't see how they lose the trade, uh,

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Speaker 1: and really quick. Josh McDaniels, there was a stat going

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Speaker 1: around the inter web the day that from nineteen sixty

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Speaker 1: I think that was the first year the Raiders came

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Speaker 1: into existence until two thousand twenty one, so that was

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Speaker 1: last year's team. That's you know, you do the math.

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Speaker 1: Sixty one years the the Oakland slash Vegas slash l A.

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Speaker 1: They move a lot their nomad's uh have blown seventeen

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Speaker 1: point lead over that period of time, and as we

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Speaker 1: all know, Raiders have had a lot of bad teams.

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Speaker 1: Five times in the history of the franchise, five times

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Speaker 1: that they've blown a seventeen point or bigger lead. In

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that would be like Sean McVeigh

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Speaker 1: or Kyle Shanahan or something. But I thought it would

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Speaker 1: be a pretty good coach. He has blown seventeen point

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Speaker 1: leads three times. It's November six. It crossed my mind

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Speaker 1: today watching the Raiders blow the game to the Jags

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Speaker 1: and then you know, Derek Carr gets sacked and almost

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Speaker 1: throw picks in the game end. Are we sure that

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make it to a a year two? Because and

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes when people get really mad at coaches,

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Speaker 1: especially new coaches, like you gotta give him a deep breath,

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Speaker 1: Like Brian Dable is a good example. Things go so well,

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Speaker 1: everyone's thinking like extend. I'm like, no, you gotta let

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Speaker 1: everything play out. But Robert saw was probably a better example, right,

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Speaker 1: Robert Salo last year it was pretty ugly. Hell, I

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Speaker 1: was like, is this guy you know what he's doing?

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Speaker 1: Clearly Robert pretty good coach, you know, don't go sleep

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Speaker 1: on the ball. Defensive coordinator Robert Salo is kicking ask

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Speaker 1: with the Jets, will get into them on Tuesday Show.

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Speaker 1: But the Josh McDaniels thing, like he's different than like

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Speaker 1: Brian day Ball and Robert Sala, for example, had never

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Speaker 1: been coaches, right, They've never been coaches. This guy had

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Speaker 1: been a head coach before, and then he gets his

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Speaker 1: opportunity after waiting forever. It's like, now he's equipped, and

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Speaker 1: then he gets a good team. He gets a team

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Speaker 1: full of sweet players who then trades for Davante Adams

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Speaker 1: and they just go back to back games, losing to

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Speaker 1: the Saints and then losing to the fucking Jaguars when

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Speaker 1: they were up seventeen points. How's that possible? And I

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Speaker 1: do think the question of going, does this is this

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Speaker 1: guy one and done coach is more valid now. And

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Speaker 1: I think anyone that's asking that question, whether you're a fan,

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Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy talk now. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: he gets fired. I'm not saying Mark Davis is going

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Speaker 1: to fire him or even should, but I do wonder

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Speaker 1: if you're the owner, you gotta be like, did I

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Speaker 1: make a royal mistake? I mean, I fired this interim

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Speaker 1: coach who the team loved, who the team played so hard.

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Speaker 1: You know, part of the thing they hung their hat

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Speaker 1: on last year was effort, Like energy and effort. Is

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Speaker 1: that something you learn in like junior high sports, that

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Speaker 1: if you just play hard, you're gonna be able to

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Speaker 1: compete with like of the teams you play in any sport,

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Speaker 1: right basketball, it's hard to play hard in baseball, But

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Speaker 1: in basketball and football, if you just play hard, you

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Speaker 1: could be competitive. Now, once you get to the highest

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Speaker 1: of the levels on given plays, you you gotta have

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Speaker 1: the talent stuff. But in the NFL we got pros,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna win a lot of games. Travis E. T

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Speaker 1: M said, we just wanted it more. That's what he

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Speaker 1: said after the game. It's like the Raiders are they

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Speaker 1: just tapping out on this guy? Like do the players

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Speaker 1: not believe in the coach? And is there just a chance?

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Speaker 1: Like is Josh McDaniels just the best version of all time?

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Speaker 1: Of this guy is just the best number two ever.

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Speaker 1: That's what he's meant to do, just be an offensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator because his stints so far with the Raiders is

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Speaker 1: just an epic. I mean, the building is on fire

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Speaker 1: right now, but it is. It's it's not a dumpster fire.

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Speaker 1: It's like the side of the buildings on fire. Two

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Speaker 1: and six, two and six, and they made the playoffs

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Speaker 1: last year two and six with everyone back, and they

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Speaker 1: added Davonte Adams. That's insane and last but not least,

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Speaker 1: a lot of people crush this guy because like in

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Speaker 1: the NFL, whether you're an asshole, good guy, like ultimately

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Speaker 1: like Andy Reid, Pete Carroll, happy good guys, Belichick right,

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Speaker 1: It's all about winning, Like do you win to James?

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Speaker 1: Do you win playoff games in college? Because you're like

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Speaker 1: We really like over analyze and talk about it a lot, right,

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Speaker 1: We're like, you know, Lincoln Riley, good young guy. You know, uh,

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Speaker 1: hard to work for, Urban Meyer fraud Brian Kelly. I

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Speaker 1: thing gonna work? It ain't just working. The guys kicking

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Speaker 1: ass and taking names. And the SEC to me is

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Speaker 1: the most like the NFL, they don't give a shit.

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Speaker 1: You know, good guy, bad guy, happy guy, negative guy.

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Speaker 1: If you win, you beat Nick Saban, you get Jaden

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Speaker 1: Daniels from Arizona State, and you beat Nick Saban? Did that? Did?

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Speaker 1: I really just witnessed that on Saturday night? That is insane?

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Speaker 1: that moment was like the reason he left Notre Dame.

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Speaker 1: There there was till his dying days, he would never ever,

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Speaker 1: in a million fucking years, been able to beat Alabama

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Speaker 1: at Notre Dame. It was never gonna happen. And he

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Speaker 1: he is a championship level coach, right at the highest

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Speaker 1: clearly knew that because he had a front row seat

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Speaker 1: there for a decade. And this guy is gonna win

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Speaker 1: a national championship at l s U or definitely like

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Speaker 1: be in the position to win it. I think Jimbo

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Speaker 1: Fisher might be one of the all time frauds. And

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Speaker 1: we all thought he could compete right once he started

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Speaker 1: building these recruiting classes and getting all this money at techs,

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Speaker 1: A and M. That's probably not gonna happen. Jimbo just sucks.

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Speaker 1: Brian Kelly is the problem. And listen, I mean Nick

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Speaker 1: lost in overtime. Think about Nick's losses this year shows

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Speaker 1: you how high his standards are. Two on the road

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Speaker 1: to Tennessee and L s U won by a walk

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Speaker 1: off field goal and a crazy last you know, thirty

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Speaker 1: second drive and uh, you know, a walk off touchdown

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Speaker 1: and overtime. You know, it's just Nick say, But it's

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Speaker 1: not like people are acting like Bamba now. They're fine,

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Speaker 1: They're they're right there. But I think Brian Kelly's officially

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Speaker 1: a problem, and I think he proved pretty quickly. I

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Speaker 1: think we all have to be a little shocked how

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Speaker 1: fast it worked. That he's going to be a major,

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Speaker 1: major problem for everyone in the country. The volume