1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Here we go. 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 2: Tiger Territory host and the athletic beat reporter on the Tigers, 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 2: Cody staven Hagen joining us right now. 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: Cody, do the Tigers have a pulse? 5 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 3: I think they have a pulse, but it's getting lighter 6 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 3: by the day, right. I mean, this has gotten bad. 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 3: I've never seen anything like it. I don't really know 8 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 3: how to describe it. I don't have a lot else 9 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: to say. It has been a very bad stretch of baseball. 10 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 3: They're not getting any breaks, their rosters turned into a mess. 11 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: Now they're fighting for their lives. 12 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 4: Before we get into like the team and the issues 13 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 4: and the problems and the questions, is this the worst 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 4: off day that you can remember for this team in 15 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 4: a sense that they have to wake up today and 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 4: not play a game, staring at the fact that they've 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 4: been one to nine in their last ten or is 18 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: this the best off day possible? Regroup, everybody's ready to go, 19 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 4: and it's a fresh day tomorrow with your ace on 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 4: the hill. 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 3: That's kind of a good question. Eric I asked Spencer 22 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 3: turkles In that after the game yesterday, like you have 23 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 3: an off day, are you gonna think about baseball? Are 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: you gonna totally unplug. Somewhere in between, he said, I'm 25 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 3: totally unplugging. He said, we're all just disconnecting, not thinking 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: about baseball. I kind of hope that's what these guys do. 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 3: I think they're spending their off day in Cleveland, So, 28 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 3: you know, Zach Meisel, my colleague, wrote, wrote some funny lines. 29 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 3: Are they going to go up to the Rock and 30 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 3: Roll Hall of Fame and play a little garage band? 31 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 3: Are they gonna go out to the zoo? They should 32 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 3: do something like that, because the more you press, the 33 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 3: more you worry about baseball, the more you worry and 34 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 3: dive into the numbers and the scouting reports. Doesn't seem 35 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 3: like that stuff has been working for him. So I 36 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: hope they're having a nice time and maybe can come 37 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 3: back freshened up tomorrow. 38 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: Isn't that what happened at the All Star break? Cody? 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: And then I think they had a really bad start 40 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: to the second half of the season. So are they 41 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 2: sure they want to do a reset where you just 42 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: float away and have a nice boat days. 43 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: That's a fair question. They had sick at the All 44 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 3: Star Game, because remember they were really good in the 45 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: first half, so I don't know. Maybe those were the 46 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 3: guys who needed to float away on the boat somewhere. 47 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 2: Okay, so take me to the trade deadline, because we 48 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: were discussing this, were the Tigers smashed enough for doing 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: a quantity over quality trade deadline? As I saw you 50 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: retweet yesterday. I'm forgetting the name, but we can show 51 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: the tweet again at some point here. How many pictures 52 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: were brought in and how many pitchers are now not 53 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 2: on the roster anymore. So, like when you add up 54 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: all of the trade deadline, what did they actually get 55 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 2: and how much did they miss out on going after 56 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: big boys. 57 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, they've been crushed a lot for the trade deadline, 58 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: both at the time and especially now. They got Kyle Finigan, 59 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: who had an aisle stint that's been really good. He's 60 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 3: only allowed one run. Rafael Montero, one of these project guys. 61 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: It was like, Okay, really he's been pretty good. They've 62 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: helped him get better. They really needed to add swing 63 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 3: and mister to their bullpen. Those two guys have actually 64 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 3: done a decent job helping. I think if you were 65 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 3: to ask the Tigers and be like, well, why didn't 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 3: you get a closer they'd be like, well, what he 67 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 3: wants to get Ryan Helsley, He's been awful, And I 68 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,120 Speaker 3: think that is the thinking that led to this approach. 69 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: Let's get a bunch of guys, throw it at the wall, 70 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 3: hope a couple of them stick. Kind of a risky 71 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 3: approach in itself, though, Is that really a better approach 72 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: than just going and getting a couple of dudes who 73 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 3: throw one hundred and are really hard to hit. I 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 3: think that's the big question here. But the worst thing 75 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,239 Speaker 3: they did was go get two starters. Charlie Morton and 76 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: Chris Paddock both came relatively inexpensive, and Morton's no longer 77 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: on the team. Chris Paddock's been demoted to the bullpen. 78 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: He's hanging on by a thread. I was one of 79 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 3: few banging the drum for like, you need to reinforce 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 3: this rotation. You're an injury away from being in a 81 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 3: bad spot. Reese Alsen got hurt. You got two guys. 82 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: One of them was forty one came to you with 83 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 3: an ERA around six. The other Chris Paddock, just hadn't 84 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 3: really been that good for a couple of years. Now 85 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: they have failed spectacle and the Tigers have tried to 86 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 3: kind of do the cute thing where they cycle in 87 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 3: and out a bunch of different pitchers, turn the roster, 88 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 3: turn the bullpen every series. They did that last year 89 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: and it worked. They're showing why that's not necessarily the 90 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 3: most sustainable approach because it hasn't worked this time around. 91 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 3: Now you're entering the biggest series of the year with 92 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 3: some relievers stuck in the option cycle and with a 93 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 3: bullpen that just doesn't look very good beyond one or 94 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 3: two guys. 95 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 4: Did this happen quick? To the to the clubhouse, the 96 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 4: vibe when you walked in there, Did it happen quick? 97 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 4: Where they're like, whatever, we got this, we got this? 98 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 4: Holy crap, we don't got it? Or has it been 99 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 4: like a slow build here through these last ten games 100 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: slash two weeks. 101 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,479 Speaker 3: I think it's been kind of quick. I mean, you 102 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: can go back to June and the Tigers were playing 103 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 3: closer to five hundred ball than being the team they 104 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: were in May. But they had such a big game 105 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: in a big lead in the Ale Central it never 106 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: really felt like it. They lost twelve to thirteen at 107 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: one point in July and it wasn't great, But you 108 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 3: look at the standings and be like, Okay, well there's baseball. 109 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: They're gonna snap out of it. And I think that 110 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: was kind of the mentality, and they lost a couple 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: of games. I was with the team in Miami and 112 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 3: I was like, it feels oddly tense in here. And 113 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 3: since then, maybe it's been slower since then, but the 114 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 3: last ten days it's like every day feels a little worse, 115 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 3: a little tighter, a little more quiet, and now you 116 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: look up and you're fighting for their lives. So one 117 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 3: of those things that happened gradually and then suddenly kind 118 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 3: of all at the same time. 119 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: Cody, how much of this, though, do you think was 120 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 5: a lack And I've said this, I thought they would 121 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 5: turn around once they got it back in their division. 122 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 5: Is a lack of I don't want to say focus 123 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 5: because that's not the right thing, but lack of you know, 124 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 5: immediacy and like we have to go now, because they're like, 125 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 5: oh we have a ten game lead. Oh we still 126 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: have a seven game lead, we still have a five 127 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,160 Speaker 5: game lead. And they never were able to get that 128 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 5: urgency and ready to go and the fire back, and 129 00:05:58,400 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 5: now they have to try and find it and a 130 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 5: lot of times. What you see happen is once you 131 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 5: lose it, it's really hard to get it back. 132 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 4: For most teams, can they do that? Yeah? 133 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 3: Right, that's the big question. I don't know. I'm not 134 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 3: trying to question the competitive character of those guys, and 135 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 3: I don't envy them having to stand in front of 136 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 3: the cameras every day and try to explain this when 137 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,720 Speaker 3: they're the ones on the field kind of getting their 138 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 3: teeth kicked in right now, but they're being tested. That's 139 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 3: the huge question. Can you turn this around? I do 140 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: think there must have been some element of not coasting, 141 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 3: but it's just different when you're up ten, twelve, fourteen games. 142 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 3: You're not playing with that pressure. You're also not playing 143 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 3: with urgency. I think that must have set in subconsciously. 144 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: And then you wonder too, when your front office doesn't 145 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 3: really go get you some real horses at the trade deadline, 146 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 3: what message does that send to the team When your 147 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 3: front office and you know, the coaching staff, they're bumping 148 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 3: guys back to build an extra rest, they're kind of 149 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 3: giving these retread pitchers tryouts because hey, we have a 150 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: ten game division lead, we can do this. What kind 151 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,280 Speaker 3: of message does that send to the players and then 152 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: all this builds up and suddenly you're in a really 153 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 3: really bad spot on the verge of a historic collapse. 154 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 4: To me, I would kind of buck against that. It 155 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 4: sends confidence, Hey, we don't need that many people. We 156 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 4: think what you guys are doing, even though they are 157 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 4: all above everybody's norms for their career or their last 158 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: like three or four years, we believe in you. So 159 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 4: I would kind of buck against that that. If a 160 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 4: front office can back the current players on the field, 161 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 4: that gives them a vote of confidence. But now you're 162 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 4: in the case where a guy like Colt Keith goes 163 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 4: down he wasn't producing to like this MVP level. Do 164 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 4: they not have enough depth to fill that in? And 165 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 4: along with that depth, you knew howve Bayas was going 166 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 4: to come down from where he was if the team 167 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 4: was in another situation. Would Hovey Bias have played himself 168 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: out of a position for the postseason in the way 169 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 4: that he's played in asked two and a half months. 170 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 3: The funny thing about that, Eric is I've kind of 171 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: been advocating for Hobby Bias to play more because the 172 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:11,160 Speaker 3: guy who's been playing over him, Tray Sweeney has a 173 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 3: WRC plus of one in the second half. He's given 174 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: you equal to worse production than Hobby at the plate. 175 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: And there's still some small things Hobby Bias does in 176 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 3: the field during the game that can be complete difference makers. 177 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: Hobby Bias has had a terrible second half. He's playing 178 00:08:26,680 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: like the guy who we weren't sure if he was 179 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: gonna be brought back on the roster. But to your point, Eric, 180 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 3: like the alternative might be worse, and the alternative beyond 181 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: Tray Sweeney in the organization, at least on the forty 182 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 3: man roster, is nothing. They have gotten in a weird 183 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 3: spot where especially left handed bats on the farm, they 184 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 3: don't really have anything other than Kevin McGonagall, who's in 185 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 3: double A, and it doesn't seem like they want to 186 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: bring up And I don't necessarily blame him for not 187 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 3: one to throw McGonagall into that situation, but yeah, the 188 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 3: depth is thinned out. You had a guy in Jase 189 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,839 Speaker 3: Young who's on this roster, replaced Keith time Prospect a 190 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 3: couple of years ago. They oh, they didn't want to 191 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 3: block him whatever, his development has really tapered off. 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Are you telling your team, hey, 230 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: we believe in you, we don't need anything. Are you 231 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 2: telling your team we don't want to trade any prospects' 232 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: on the ten year plan? 233 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: How do I know you? 234 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,319 Speaker 1: Look, if you were in the clubhouse and you're the Tigers, Well, if. 235 00:10:58,280 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 5: You're in the clubmost you don't care about the prospect 236 00:11:00,160 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 5: because you want to win now, so you take care. 237 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 5: So you're like, all right, Well, they must think we're good. 238 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 5: But at the same time, trust me, there are people 239 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 5: that were complaining in the clubhouse that they didn't go 240 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 5: out and make a bigger move. 241 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 2: Because even if you think you're really good, like you 242 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: don't think you need any help in the playoffs, you 243 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: don't think you need another big boy in the bullpen 244 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: or it's another back. 245 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 4: Definitely guys complaining about it. 246 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 5: I promise you there was guys playing why. 247 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 4: Didn't we do more? 248 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: Yeah? 249 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 2: How did you feel at the time, Cody that the 250 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 2: clubhouse reacted to the trade deadline? 251 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 3: It's hard to get a sense for it. I think 252 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 3: it's been a reminder that this is a pretty young team. 253 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: This is a lot of guys who are still trying 254 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 3: to establish their careers, trying to stay in line. If 255 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: they had a problem with the organization, they weren't going 256 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 3: to be saying that to me or anyone in the media. 257 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: I did say at the time, like, maybe this is 258 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 3: a vote of confidence in the guys in the group, 259 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 3: But then yeah, like to your point, these guys want 260 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,240 Speaker 3: to win, they want to win the World Series, and 261 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 3: I think they would know they would feel better if 262 00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 3: they they got another big horse in that room. One 263 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: thing I want to point out, and it's not really 264 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 3: a defensive of the Tigers, but there's so much focus 265 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: on the trade deadline, and there are a lot of 266 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:08,199 Speaker 3: other teams that would like the Mets, that were more 267 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 3: aggressive and it didn't work out. But the Tigers are 268 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: getting blasted for the trade deadline in part because of 269 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 3: other bad decisions they've made along the way. Alex Cobb 270 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: Kin Tamaiita. They spent twenty five million on those two pitchers, 271 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 3: they got nothing out of them. They signed John Brebia, 272 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 3: they dfa'd him before the All Star break. You add 273 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: in a couple injuries, they didn't close the door, or 274 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 3: they didn't get the Alex Bregman deal done. They didn't 275 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: go after a guy like Hasung Kim, who is available 276 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 3: again mid season. Some of the waiver claims victories they've 277 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 3: had on the margins over the past couple of years 278 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 3: haven't really been any of those this year. So then 279 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 3: when you don't have that depth, when you have needs 280 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: in the rotation and elsewhere, and you don't do it 281 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 3: at the trade deadline, everyone's pointing to the deadline saying, hey, 282 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 3: why didn't you do more. In a way, it's a 283 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 3: function of bigger and smaller decisions for the past ten 284 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 3: twelve months. 285 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, part of it to me is I do think 286 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: front offices look at their biggest wins as those pickups 287 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,679 Speaker 2: like Kyle Fitigain. You can make a case for right 288 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 2: not highly coveted, and then it comes over here. 289 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: They're like, hey, throw away more splitters. Oh look look 290 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: what we did, and you can kind of brag about it. 291 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: It's not as easy to. 292 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 2: Pull off when you're convincing your owner for more money 293 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: and we're trading more prospects. So, Cody, do you feel 294 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 2: like this front office is digging too deep into, you know, 295 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 2: bargain hunting versus going for a big fish when clearly 296 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 2: they had that ability, right they went for Alex Bregman. 297 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 2: They just weren't able to close it. 298 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, that's been their approach. Bregman's really the 299 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 3: only big guy they have pursued in a serious manner 300 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: under this current regime. And look, a couple of years ago, 301 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 3: you're still building up. You're trying to see what young 302 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 3: guys you have that makes sense. You're coming off a 303 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: playoff run and you added Tommy Kinley and Alex Cobb 304 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: and John Breber. Yet Labor Tourists was a pretty nice signing, 305 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 3: had a great first half as tapered off in the 306 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 3: second half. But it's a one year deal. They like 307 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 3: their one year deals, They like their flexibility. Look, I 308 00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:05,839 Speaker 3: know long term deals are scary, right, there's some risk 309 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 3: built in there, but I think the second half has 310 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: shown that, Like, hey, the matchups, the mixing and the matching, 311 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 3: all that is great. There's a reason a lot of 312 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: teams prefer to still just go get really good players. 313 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 3: Sometimes that's the more reliable way to win games. 314 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 4: All right, Cody, we got to remember they control their 315 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 4: own destiny. Take us to this week. They have Scooble 316 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 4: going twice. It seems like I think they face Viby, 317 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:39,960 Speaker 4: but it's not Cleveland's horses, their hottest pitchers. Right now, 318 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 4: how does this week play out to me? And we 319 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 4: talked about earlier. Looks like it's a Tiger's advantage because 320 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 4: they have Scooble going twice. It doesn't look great for 321 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 4: the playoffs, but they got to get in first. 322 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in an ideal world you don't have 323 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 3: scoopol going twice because you win some games and you 324 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 3: push them off that last day in Boston. Trek Scouoble 325 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 3: is this team's great equalizer. They're great trump card. He's 326 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: the best thing this organization has going. And you're gonna 327 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 3: give him the ball in a big game and hope 328 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 3: he can give you, you know, seven shutty or something 329 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: to that effect, help you get off the schneide, and 330 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: then hey, maybe you steal one more in Cleveland. Maybe 331 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 3: you're feeling a little better about yourself. We'll see. You 332 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 3: don't want to lose that Schooble start. They've lost three 333 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 3: of their past five Trek Scougle starts. But if there's 334 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 3: anything to make you feel better, I think you're right. 335 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 3: I think it's Schoogle. 336 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 4: All right, I messed up. I thought Gavin Williams just pitched. 337 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 4: So the Guardians do have their two best going. They 338 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 4: have Gavin Williams and Tanner Biby. I thought he pitched 339 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 4: on Sunday. I was mistaken. So Tigers are cooked. 340 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: My bad. 341 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: Well, they're getting a Guardians team that I mean is 342 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 2: historically good in the last few weeks in run prevention, 343 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 2: So goody. The rest of the way here, it's three 344 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 2: against the Guardians and then scoreboard watching gets really weird 345 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 2: because at one point not long ago, it looked like 346 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,160 Speaker 2: the Red Sox were just gonna kind of be firmly 347 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 2: in one of those wild card spots. 348 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 1: They're not. 349 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 2: They have to finish strong, so we might get to 350 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: that final series of the year where the Tigers need 351 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: to win and oh wait, the Red Sox are on 352 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: Cruis in either so that's their last three games of 353 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: the year in Boston. So how daunting is this schedule 354 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: here for them? 355 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 3: It's not ideal, but it's gonna be some fun baseball. 356 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 3: It's gonna be some real atmosphere, some tense, tight atmospheres. 357 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 3: The Tigers and Guardians play each other, you know, fighting 358 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 3: tooth and nail all the time. You're gonna go into 359 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 3: what could also be a big series in Boston with 360 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 3: Alex Bregman playing third base for the other team. Yeah. 361 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,520 Speaker 3: I don't know if it's what you want. You'd probably 362 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 3: rather face the White Sox or the Rockies right here, 363 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 3: But this is what you got. It'll be fun. Last 364 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 3: year I covered a team that over cane zero point 365 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: two percent playoff odds and had a historic run. This year, 366 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: I'm covering a team that is on the verge of 367 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: blowing ninety nine point nine percent playoff odds and having 368 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 3: a historic collapse. So I'm so far out of the 369 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 3: prediction business. Tigers went on go five and one down 370 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: the stretch and go to the World Series and wouldn't 371 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 3: shock me. But also watching this team for the past month, 372 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 3: it wouldn't shock me if they end up being toasted. 373 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. I mean you look at the run 374 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: for Cleveland. 375 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 2: They're doing this without Emmanuel Class, They're doing this without 376 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 2: Louis Ortiz to a lesser extent, but still they traded 377 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: away Shane Biebert, a crazy story that we did not 378 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 2: expect to be covering this way. Cody, good stuff. Enjoy 379 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: covering the week as a writer, It's fun to cover chaos, 380 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 2: So enjoy that. We'll be watching, we'll be looking at 381 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 2: the articles, and we'll be listening and watching Tiger Territory. 382 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. 383 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 3: Man, Hey, thanks guys, appreciate it. 384 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 2: Tiger Territory is going to be a rollercoaster this week. Kieran, Cody, 385 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 2: some Austin Jackson. Go check it out wherever you get 386 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,119 Speaker 2: your podcasts, or of course on YouTube.