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Speaker 1: On the Bechde Cast, the questions ask if movies have

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Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, zephim fast

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the Bechdel Cast.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Jamie, Hey Caitlin, do you want to talk about

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Speaker 2: the Haunted Mansion two thousand and three with me? It'll

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Speaker 2: only take twenty minutes tops.

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Speaker 1: Ooo.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if you're a dad that likes to work

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Speaker 3: too much? The scariest thing of all, someone who loves

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Speaker 3: working in real estate. It's terrifying.

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Speaker 2: And whose wife? My wife?

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Speaker 3: My wife?

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Speaker 2: Why his wife.

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Speaker 3: Seems like she could really take her leave real estate.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she is my partner, my business partner. But also

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Speaker 2: you never see her doing her job.

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Speaker 3: TIHI giha. Yeah, sure I'm in. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Awesome. Hello. I'm Caitlin Durante.

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Speaker 3: I'm Jamie Loftus, and you're listening to the Bechdel Cast,

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Speaker 3: a show where we take your favorite movies and look

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Speaker 3: at them with an intersectional feminist lens. Even if they're

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Speaker 3: eighty three minutes long. This movie is.

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Speaker 2: Really wonderfully short.

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Speaker 3: Ugh, it really made me feel amazing. Yeah, we're covering

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Speaker 3: a couple of movies from the early two thousands coming up,

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Speaker 3: where where children's movies were aching to be ninety minutes

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Speaker 3: Just great stuff. We're talking about The Haunted Mansion two

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Speaker 3: thousand and three, starring Eddie Murphy, and I say it

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Speaker 3: who it's starring, because I feel like I think he's

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Speaker 3: very movie star behavior.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Eddie Murphy's Haunted Mansion.

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Speaker 3: Basically, that's how I thought of it when I was like,

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Speaker 3: it's and by the end of the movie spoiler alert,

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Speaker 3: it is Eddie Murphy's Haunted Mansion. He's got the ded he.

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Speaker 2: Does own it. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, first we to tell people what the show is.

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Speaker 3: We use so we're an intersectional feminist podcast. We use

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Speaker 3: the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point for discussing

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Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy's Haunted Mansion. But Caitlin, what is the Bechdel Test?

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Speaker 2: Well, gee whiz, I'll tell you. It is a media

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Speaker 2: metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel often called the

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Speaker 2: Bechdel Wallace test, which has many different versions, but the

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Speaker 2: one that we use requires that two characters of a

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I guess we'll just get into it, but

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Speaker 3: first we have an incredible returning guest returning for I

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Speaker 3: love just when a guest has a wide swath of

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Speaker 3: movies they want to cover because you've hurt this guest

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Speaker 3: on many shows, including her own show. But for our purposes,

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Speaker 3: we did Center Stage and now we're doing Eddie Murphy's

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Speaker 3: Haunted Mansion. I mean the early two thousands gave and

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Speaker 2: It's incredible, and our guest, of course, is writer, comedian

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Speaker 2: and podcaster Akila hughes Hi.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having me back. We survived the pandemic

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Speaker 4: mostly intact. If you want to call the survivor.

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Speaker 3: We're all rocky back and forth.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we were always in the womb.

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Speaker 3: Great, welcome back, Aquila.

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Speaker 2: Now, if memory serves, I was like, we have to

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Speaker 2: So I basically forced you to do this, and I'm

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Speaker 4: Can't wait for a matterhorn? Is that a.

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Speaker 3: I loved this movie so much. I thought this was cinema.

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Speaker 3: I know we've talked about him on other episodes, We've

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Speaker 3: I mean, I know we've talked about Eddie Murphy's like

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we were thinking about a Matreon theme, So Matrons,

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Speaker 3: telling you who the director of photography is.

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Speaker 2: This is like very bizarre.

435
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

436
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 2: So then we cut to the present where a boy

437
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: rides up on his bike to the mansion. He's like

438
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: a paper delivery boy, I think, and something that appears

439
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 2: to be a ghost wooshes at him and scares him away,

440
00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 2: and he drops a bunch of flyers for Evers and

441
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: Ever's real estate, which is very similar to me to

442
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:39,960
Speaker 2: the opening of.

443
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 3: Casper Yes, except it introduces so many questions, including did

444
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy hire this random kid to advertise his real.

445
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 5: Estate on a bike door to door.

446
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,359
Speaker 3: How would he answer any follow up questions about real estate?

447
00:23:59,160 --> 00:23:59,679
Speaker 3: We don't know.

448
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 2: Then we cut to Jim Evers. That's Eddie Murphy. He's

449
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: a real estate agent and he's selling real quick.

450
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,199
Speaker 4: Have you ever met a black guy named Jim?

451
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 2: No, definitely not.

452
00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 3: I don't think.

453
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 4: When I found out that was his name, I was like,

454
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 4: they recast last minute. They were like, let's just get

455
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,440
Speaker 4: it to Eddie Murphy.

456
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy truly is I mean, this is true. I

457
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,840
Speaker 3: guess of a couple Eddie Murphy kids movies, but like

458
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,720
Speaker 3: he is like, this movie's saving grace, this movie is.

459
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: I think that's why I thought I liked it the

460
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: first time. I was like, Murphy, he has so much charisma, Yeah,

461
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,640
Speaker 2: not enough, He's it.

462
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: Is really a testament to how Eddie Murphy can sell

463
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 3: nothing like yeah sorry continued.

464
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 2: Okay, So we've got a black guy named Jim who

465
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 2: is a real estate agent. He's selling houses, he's closing deals.

466
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: He's really good at his job, but he's neglecting his wife,

467
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 2: Sarah played by Marsha Thomason, and their kids, Michael and Megan.

468
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 2: He's late for the anniversary dinner with his wife. He's

469
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 2: missing his kids soccer games and stuff like that. So

470
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 2: he's like, fine, I'll take the weekend off and we'll

471
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 2: go on a family trip to the lake.

472
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 3: I was really frustrated for his wife. Well, I'm frustrated

473
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 3: for Sarah. Basically the entire movie thinks don't improve for

474
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 3: her meaningfully at any time. But when when he comes

475
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 3: home with a watch, yeah, I was upset with him. Yeah,

476
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,480
Speaker 3: but then you're like, it's Eddie Murphy. I can't stay mad.

477
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 2: I know that's how he gets.

478
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: You'll make it up.

479
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

480
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,679
Speaker 2: So before the family goes on this trip, Sarah answers

481
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: a phone call from someone who wants her to sell

482
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: a house because she's also a real estate agent. Not

483
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 2: that you would know, because not that we ever see

484
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 2: her doing her job, like we mentioned before.

485
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 3: Well you see her considering doing her job writing a

486
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,280
Speaker 3: fun call.

487
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 4: She's been in houses.

488
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I come down pro Sarah on this because

489
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: we know this is like classic whatever, like crummy kids

490
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,160
Speaker 3: movie writing, where you're like, dad's working too hard. It's

491
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,959
Speaker 3: all these gendered stereotypes. But I'm like, no, Sarah is

492
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 3: in a union and she is just simply saying I

493
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 3: don't work outside of these hours. I don't. It's Friday

494
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 3: at seven pm. I'm not setting up a viewing. True,

495
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: and that's a fair boundary as a professional. That's how

496
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 3: I feel. Because we only see her on the weekend.

497
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:48,199
Speaker 3: Maybe she's nine am on Monday. She's fucking at it.

498
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, yeah, It's not her fault that we

499
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 2: don't see her doing her job. It's the movie's fault.

500
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 4: They could have made the movie longer.

501
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: I at least let I have a feeling if we

502
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 3: see Sarah on Tuesday, we would get a very different

503
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 3: Sarah for sure.

504
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: Where's the sequel anyway? Uh?

505
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 3: Well it's.

506
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just had its awesome premiere. Okay. So so Jim,

507
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,719
Speaker 2: he interrupts this phone call and he's like, wow, I

508
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: know that address. That house is huge, let's go. So

509
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 2: on the way to the family trip, Jim insists on

510
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 2: taking everyone to this big mansion to discuss putting the

511
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: house up for sale. They arrive, it's spooky. It looks abandoned.

512
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 2: There's a huge cemetery outside. It's almost as if it's

513
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: a haunted mansion. Then it starts pouring rain, so the

514
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 2: family hurries inside, where they meet a butler named Ramsley

515
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,200
Speaker 2: play by Terrence Stamp. And did anyone know who Terence

516
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: Stamp was? I guess he won an oscar once. Oh,

517
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: I recognize him from another Eddie Murphy movie, one of

518
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 2: my favorites, Bowfinger.

519
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 3: Oh oh okay, what a career?

520
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: Well?

521
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: Also, real quick the rain had it not rain?

522
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 5: Like?

523
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 4: Are we to believe that the mansion controls the weather?

524
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 4: Because if that didn't rain, they could have left exactly.

525
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 4: But I guess the mansion also has its own climate.

526
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: I believe, And we're in are we canonically in I

527
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,159
Speaker 3: know this movie was shot in New Orleans? But are

528
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 3: we canonically in New Orleans?

529
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,400
Speaker 2: They so Jim drives a BMW. We see the license plate.

530
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure it says Louisiana. So it's like assumed.

531
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Speaker 3: I think I read that the bridge that they pullar

532
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 3: alert they get out of on mansion when they're driving away,

533
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: that's like a bridge in the New Orleans area. But

534
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 3: it seems like this like big, like Antebellum Mansion. I

535
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 3: have so many questions about the internal logic of this movie,

536
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: including just a lot of I just have a lot

537
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 3: of questions about Terrence Stamp's character it really seems like

538
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 3: he has consistently not had a plan for like one

539
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty years. He's had so long to get

540
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: a cohesive plan together. Well, I alive and dead, and

541
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: he just never tests.

542
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: I'm prepared to make the argument that this movie has

543
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: basically the same exact plot as a recent Matreon episode

544
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 2: What A Girl Wants Whoa because both movies involve a

545
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 2: rich guy who lives in a big house, who is

546
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: with a woman who the rich guy's butler does not

547
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: approve of, so the butler sends the woman away slash

548
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 2: murders her spoiler alert, which begs the question in both cases,

549
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 2: why is a butler so concerned about who the rich

550
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: guy marries? Like how does this? I guess maybe that

551
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 2: affects his job status, But if I'm a working class

552
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 2: person working for a rich piece of shit, I don't

553
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: give a shit about his personal life. Like I don't why,

554
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: I don't know. Anyway, they're the same movie, and it's

555
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 2: you're scringing it.

556
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: He's like trying to like make him see the air

557
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: of his ways. He's like, no, she's ruining that.

558
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 3: They should do we should do a whole episode on

559
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: butler logic. It is really confusing, yeah, because I feel

560
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: like it's always just like a one sentence explanation and

561
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: it's like I made a promise to your father and

562
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: you're like what and.

563
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 4: The whole Batman philosophy y yeah, oh yeah, I'm like,

564
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:27,960
Speaker 4: is your dad still paying you? Like you can go.

565
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: Like no offense he died, like you don't need to

566
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 3: work here?

567
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and when I die, what's your plan? You just

568
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 4: gonna have a family of butlers that are indentured.

569
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: Like well, like I think we talked about this on

570
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 2: the Beauty and the Beast episode where it's like, why

571
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: are these servants who have had their life absolutely taken

572
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: away and destroyed because of their like loyalty to their boss. No.

573
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they're deeply invested in him becoming a better person.

574
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: They may made a promise or something. It's like Terrence

575
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 3: Stamps thing is like I'm just gonna lie to him

576
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: until I don't feel bad about killing a lady like

577
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 3: yeah's disaster.

578
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, like quitting never entered the possibility. No, like another

579
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 4: butler job.

580
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 3: M M.

581
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 4: I like this fucking half, I'll say it.

582
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very bizarre. Anyway, So Ramsley the butler is creepy,

583
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: and when the whole family shows up, he's like, ooh,

584
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: we were not expecting others. We just wanted Sarah to come.

585
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 2: And we're like, what's going on with that? Uh? And

586
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 2: then the family meets the owner of the house, Edward

587
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: Gracie played by Nathaniel Parker, and his sideburns and his sideburns.

588
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: He's paying extra attention to Sarah as well, and we're

589
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: like hmmm. And then Edward's also like, hey, do you

590
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: guys believe in ghosts? And everyone's like ti he what.

591
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: Then there's a really funny I think that it was

592
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: that line or there was some line that the butler

593
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 3: says that sounded like a just like ai garbled version

594
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 3: of that line from Pirates of the Caribbean of like,

595
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 3: do you believe in ghost stories? Because you're in one?

596
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: And sorry the did you do? With the accent?

597
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 2: Yes, your best start believing in ghost stories.

598
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: You're in one, And like the high manchuscript just doesn't

599
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: really have that juice because the butler's like, hey, do

600
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: you believe in ghosts? Because maybe there's one over there.

601
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: They'll talk about ghosts to sell your house next time.

602
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: Next time, Jim is very unphased, similarly unphased when he

603
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 2: sees actual ghosts. He's just like, interesting, it's all about

604
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: the sale.

605
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 3: He's like, all right, there's ghosts.

606
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. So then Ramsley is like, by the way, the

607
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: storm has flooded the road, so you guys have to

608
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: stay here tonight. And the family's like okay, So they

609
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: go to their rooms. Sarah is upset about missing the

610
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: family trip to the lake, and then Ramsley comes to

611
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: fetch Jim because Edward wants a private word with him.

612
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: And as Jim is waiting for Edward in his rich

613
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 2: person room, his study or something like that, Jim finds

614
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 2: a secret passageway and he goes inside and gets trapped. Meanwhile,

615
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 2: in the kid's room, a ghost ball appears and it

616
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 2: wants Megan and Michael.

617
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: Bless these kids' hearts. They are not looking at the

618
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 3: same tennis ball and this shot no really, that's on

619
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 3: Rob Minkoff. Oh my god, who directed Stuart Little Synchronicity.

620
00:33:59,720 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 2: Wow?

621
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: Oh, this guy loves to direct a mediocre kids movie.

622
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 3: He loves it.

623
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 4: Good for him specialty.

624
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 3: Yeah.

625
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So anyway, the ghost ball wants Megan and Michael

626
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: to follow it. So they do. Meanwhile, Sarah is like,

627
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: where's my husband? And she goes looking for him, but

628
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: instead she finds Edward and he starts to tell Sarah

629
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: about a woman named Elizabeth, because every live action Disney

630
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 2: movie from two thousand and three has to have a

631
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: character named Elizabeth.

632
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's got to be she's got to be

633
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: in the thick of it, like she's a main character.

634
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: Cut to Jim as he's finding his way out of

635
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: the secret passage and into a hallway with scary art

636
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 2: and bulging doors things that are basically direct, right, yeah,

637
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 2: direct references to the bride. There's a scary mirror that

638
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 2: makes him look like a corpse, and he's like.

639
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 4: And at no point, though, is he like, oh, I

640
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: can't sell a house with a door like that. That

641
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,919
Speaker 4: mirror's gotta get out, Like he's still thinking about something

642
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 4: the house, but never commenting, like he didn't ask anyone

643
00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 4: the square footage. How much do you really care about

644
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: selling that?

645
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: I really this this part, like these sequences are so

646
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 3: because at the time, like if you hadn't been on

647
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 3: the Haunted Mansion ride, you're just like, WHOA, this is

648
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: so weird. But it was like I don't know this.

649
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,720
Speaker 3: I feel like Eddie Murphy all but turns to camera

650
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,440
Speaker 3: and is like, and if you like this, you're gonna

651
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: love this amazing attraction its you like because it's just

652
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 3: like the ride for some sequences.

653
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 4: I'm not mad at walking for a long time. Yea,

654
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 4: now the.

655
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 2: Left exactly smooth. Okay, so Eddie Murphy is like looking

656
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: at all these spooky things. Then meanwhile, the kids are

657
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: still following the ghost ball, which leads them to an

658
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 2: old painting of a woman that looks exactly like their mom.

659
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,320
Speaker 2: And right then a couple of servants show up, Ezra

660
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,600
Speaker 2: and Emma. According to IMDb, although I don't think we

661
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: really ever learned their names.

662
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 3: I was like Wallis Sean and that lady.

663
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: Cookies is what I was referring to the cookie servants.

664
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, they are the cookie.

665
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: Every mansion has two cookie people.

666
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 3: Yes, You're like, wow, that's a really robust staff they.

667
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 4: Had, because what was his job. It's like she seems

668
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 4: really like she made the cookies. He's just there to

669
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 4: be like.

670
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 2: No, right, he's not the butler. Ramsley's the butler.

671
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: So they say he's a bumbling footman. Okay, so that's

672
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 3: his job. He's a bumbling foot he's he's like he's

673
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 3: like in any.

674
00:36:53,000 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yes, it's Wallace Sean and an actor named

675
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 6: Dina Spyby Waters and yeah it's true.

676
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 3: That's a haunted house name.

677
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they help the kids hide from Ramsley.

678
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: Uh.

679
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: Then back in Eddie murphy Land, he finds a room

680
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: with a crystal ball and inside is this like fortune

681
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 2: teller lady named Madam.

682
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 3: Leota Jennifer Tilly, who I just love that they put

683
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,240
Speaker 3: Jennifer Tilly's head in a ball for a whole movie.

684
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 3: I think that that's who Jamie Lee Curtis is playing

685
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:34,439
Speaker 3: in the new one.

686
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 5: Oh that's that tracks.

687
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 3: Oh good work if you can get it, I guess.

688
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: Right, although Tiffany Hattish is also in like fortune Teller Garb,

689
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: at least from what I've noticed of like the promo stuff.

690
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know, no idea anyway, Madam Liota.

691
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: In twenty years when we do the podcast about that.

692
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: I will know, Yes, we'll clarify then. So Madam Leota,

693
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 2: who I'm like, is that Ray Liota's mom wife? I

694
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 2: don't know, Yeah, it's his mom. He's he's to show

695
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: business nepotism too.

696
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 3: It's the crystal ball.

697
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: She is talking about how Jim needs to lift the

698
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 2: curse and release all the trapped spirits, and he's like

699
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 2: freaking out. He runs away, Yes, for sure, he runs away,

700
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: and he bumps into his kids and the cookie servants,

701
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 2: who are ghosts by the way, But again no one

702
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 2: in the family reacts.

703
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: To I kind of love that this whole family is

704
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 3: just like super underwhelmed by the ghosts, like we're we're

705
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 3: actually kind of the youngest Michael is I think made

706
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: out to seem like what he has to overcome is fear,

707
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: and I was like, I think that we should I'll

708
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: be more afraid. I think we should all be matching

709
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 3: Michael's energy. But I like I like the kid characters,

710
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: like they weren't you know, they're written, but I liked them,

711
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: especially because just the daughter is just like not afraid

712
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: of anything. She's just like, it's a ghost ball, let's

713
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: fall away. And then when like ghost Wallace Shawn turns up,

714
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: she's like, hi, because.

715
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 2: I would like a cookie.

716
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 4: He's great, Yeah, exactly, Please introduce yourself to this the

717
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 4: two children in the room.

718
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: Is it logical? No, But I would like to navigate

719
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: the world that way.

720
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 4: I wish all their seeds are just them screaming, like

721
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 4: like they're just like no plot for them except for

722
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 4: horrifying their hair turns white, I will even.

723
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 3: Michael's like a little unfazed.

724
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 4: And just collapses.

725
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 2: You're like, okay, because like Michael is really only afraid

726
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: of spiders.

727
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: It seems, yeah, which I thought was really I guess

728
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 3: that the actor who played it, Mark John Jeffries. Three names.

729
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 3: That's how you know you're working with a child actor.

730
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 3: To child actors and serial killers, that's the three name

731
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 3: way Mark John Jeffries. I guess he was a fan

732
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: of Ron Weasley and so he asked to have the

733
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: fear of spiders added because Ron Weasley was afraid of spiders.

734
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 3: Isn't that sweet? That's cute?

735
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: Do we believe that.

736
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 3: Or was that just an adult child actor? That was

737
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: my idea.

738
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, I came up with the spider thing, and it's

739
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 4: like it was in one scene. They never follow up

740
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 4: and there's no spiders in the haunted mansion.

741
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: Weird, Well, there is spiders in the crypt later, so

742
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: it does kind of payoff.

743
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true. He has to get over that one like,

744
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 4: you're right, you're right. I forgot that part. That was

745
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 4: the part I memory hold. I was clawing for the

746
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 4: credits in.

747
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: The Yeah, the last stretch of this movie. I was

748
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 3: terrified as a kid, but as an adult it's like

749
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 3: it's like the last ten minutes drags.

750
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, anyway, so we cut back to Edward telling

751
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: Sarah about this mysterious woman, Elizabeth. He says that his grandfather,

752
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 2: but it's actually him because guess what, he's also a ghost.

753
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: Although Sarah does not yet know this that basically Edward

754
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: and Elizabeth were in love, but they were from different

755
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 2: worlds and couldn't be together interested to discuss what they

756
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 2: might mean by that, And so she died by suicide,

757
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 2: and then the man unable to bear it also took

758
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 2: his own life. So that's what we see in that

759
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,680
Speaker 2: opening sequence, like the credit sequence, and then Edward's like yes,

760
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: and now this man's soul haunts the house waiting for

761
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 2: her to return.

762
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 3: And Sarah's still like huh interesting?

763
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 2: Interesting?

764
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 4: Also like why is it never like clear why like her,

765
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 4: her ghost isn't haunting the mansion too?

766
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: Well, because she's the ghost ball. I don't know why

767
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:07,280
Speaker 2: she can't take a more human form, she's the gust

768
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: because that would make too much sense for this movie.

769
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe she would have run into the woman who

770
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 4: looks just like her, who's barely a realistication, but like,

771
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 4: hey are you my? Are we related at all?

772
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 3: Ghostball Lady has more personality than Sarah's given unfortunately.

773
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 4: Yeah.

774
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:28,760
Speaker 2: True, sad but true.

775
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, she was cursed with being Eddie Murphy's wife in

776
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 4: a movie because I looked at a lot of his

777
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: movies and very few do the women ever get to

778
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 4: act at anything majoring in like some have broken out,

779
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 4: but mostly it's a lot of just beautiful women who fade.

780
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,720
Speaker 2: It sucks tol. Yeah, yeah, but I guess the directors

781
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,240
Speaker 2: of these movies are like, well, we've got Eddie Murphy,

782
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: so his partner doesn't need to have a personality, like

783
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: he's gonna do all the heavy lifting. And it's like yeah, no, And.

784
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 3: I wonder how by design, because it's like occasionally you

785
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 3: get someone with a really really famous actor like Eddie Murphy,

786
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 3: and then you can like launch someone's career off of

787
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 3: like playing Eddie Murphy's his wife in a movie. If

788
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 3: you're if you receive a character right performed.

789
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 4: If anyone notices you in the film, right.

790
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: Right, So it's I mean, who knows. I'm not familiar

791
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 3: with this actor's work.

792
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 4: I went to IMDb. It was pretty much nothing after that.

793
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 3: It's like she played a lot of lawyers.

794
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: The kids played kids and things for a while, which

795
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:32,800
Speaker 4: was cool.

796
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and then they I think, you know, I

797
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 3: think that they stopped working as actors, which is the

798
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: right decision. You know that's probably now, especially now.

799
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, get into Crypto kids, even.

800
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 3: The crypto from crypt to Crypto from Oh, that's a

801
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 3: gnarly I bet I bet that exists.

802
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: That his back pocket, he's.

803
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 3: Gonna hit those kids. There's I sorry, this is a

804
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: fun because I was looking for behind the scenes information

805
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 3: on this movie, because I was trying to figure out

806
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: what was this movie? Like, speaking back to what you

807
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 3: were saying earlier, Aquila, I was like, was this movie

808
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: written for Eddie Murphy? Like I could. It's just really

809
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: hard to find out any significant pre production information about

810
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 3: this movie. And you find the same five fun facts

811
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 3: over and over and over, including this one I've seen

812
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 3: a million times now. This was the first film to

813
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 3: air on the Disney Channel to contain any profanity beside

814
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: hell or dam. It also contained the phrase big ass termites.

815
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 3: I've seen this fun fact a million times and I

816
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: can't figure out if the movie was written or Eddie

817
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: Murphy or not.

818
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: Anyways, interesting, it must have been, right, like in the

819
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 4: way that I imagine John Gole Cruise was written for The.

820
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 3: Rock, right, yeah, right like, because otherwise there's no reason

821
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: for this movie to exist if if Eddie Murphy isn't

822
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 3: in it. Unfortunately, Yeah, with all due respect to while

823
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 3: as Sean.

824
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: Okay, So, meanwhile, Madame Leota is giving this same information

825
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: about Edward and Elizabeth to Jim and his kids, and

826
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 2: she tells them that in order to break the curse

827
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: and rescue Sarah, they must enter the tomb under the

828
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: Great Dead Oak and find a crypt wherein lies a

829
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 2: key that will reveal the truth.

830
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 3: So and we're like, uh huh huh okay.

831
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 2: Interesting.

832
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 3: It reminds me of when ros do it Bekator gets

833
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 3: directions on how to get to Jack in the boat,

834
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: where you're just like it's a lot of steps and

835
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: you'll come to it, like.

836
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna start yelling Jack and he's.

837
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 3: Gonna I'm gonna get about three steps deep, and then

838
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm coming.

839
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 4: Back to you, and I'm gonna be like what was

840
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 4: after the hallway?

841
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I made it this far? Did I make the

842
00:45:58,960 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 2: wrong turn?

843
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 4: I just want to can talk to you in the hallways?

844
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 3: Him problem, maybe a man.

845
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 4: That says you are here.

846
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: So the two cookie ghosts take Jim and the kids

847
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,439
Speaker 2: outside to the cemetery, where they see hundreds of other

848
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: ghosts whose souls are all trapped there because of this curse.

849
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,879
Speaker 2: And they find the tomb and Jim goes inside. It's

850
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: very Phantom of the Opera vibes down there. Yes, his

851
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 2: daughter Megan comes along, and then little Michael, who is

852
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: afraid of everything, gets left outside in a cemetery, which

853
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 2: is like, he's fine.

854
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I guess Eddie Murphy tries to prevent it

855
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: from happening, but not very hard.

856
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 2: Not very hard, and then his sister just abandons him.

857
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 3: He's just like, all right, well, I guess I would

858
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 3: have ditched my youngest child as well.

859
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 4: He's like wife first, then maybe the crying little boy.

860
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 3: Is it feminism to not care if your son lives

861
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 3: or dies? Sound top in the cotton.

862
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 2: Oh, poor little Michael. Okay, So Jim and his daughter

863
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: Megan find the crypt and inside is a Skellington holding

864
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: a key, and Jim grabs it, but a bunch of

865
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 2: other Skellingtons come to life and start chasing them. Jim

866
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: drops the key at one point Megan has to go

867
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 2: find it underwater. Yeah, Titanic vibes Titanic. Exactly how many

868
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,759
Speaker 2: more Titanic parallels can there be? I wonder? Then they

869
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: get trapped inside the tomb, this Skellingtons are chasing them,

870
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then this is when Michael has

871
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: to face his fear of spiders and he saves his

872
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 2: dad and his sister.

873
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,839
Speaker 3: I thought it was nice. It's the most basic thing

874
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 3: that could possibly happen. But I'm glad. But not every

875
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: movie makes it that feel.

876
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 5: It happens.

877
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 3: Michael's one thing. Let's let him do is one thing. Yeah,

878
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 3: And then Eddie Murphy's like, it's okay to be scared sometimes,

879
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: and I'm like, well, okay, but like he's at the

880
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 3: Haunted Mansion, like obviously he's scared.

881
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, this isn't a weird place to have an emotions.

882
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: Like, don't be scared?

883
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 4: Like every week they end up in a shitty house

884
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 4: where like the mom's got to be married to some

885
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 4: dead guy. It's a really crazy.

886
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 3: This again, it takes Sarah so long to catch on

887
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 3: and I'm just like, Sarah, look at his outfit.

888
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 2: I hate how oblivious she's written to be. It's ridiculous.

889
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: So then they take the Skellington key to Madam Leota,

890
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,080
Speaker 2: who says that they have to use it to open

891
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: a trunk, which Jim does, and inside there is an

892
00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: old letter from Elizabeth to her beloved mister Gracie, saying

893
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 2: that she will marry him, and they're like, wait a minute.

894
00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 2: She didn't take her own life. She wanted to be

895
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 2: with him, so someone else must have murdered her and

896
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 2: given mister Gracie the wrong letter. And it turns out

897
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: that it was Ramsley the Butler, which you know you

898
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: could have seen coming, especially if you'd already seen what

899
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,320
Speaker 2: a girl wants and.

900
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 3: They but then you're just like what and what he

901
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 3: does from there is even more confusing, yes, because he

902
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 3: opens a portal to Hell, which is something he can.

903
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 5: Do, but he won't just go there.

904
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 3: But then he's he just like shoots himself in the

905
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 3: foot so spectacularly because he's like, let me open a

906
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 3: portal to Hell. Who is the only person in this

907
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 3: room that belongs in Hell? Oh?

908
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: Me?

909
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 2: And then he just he gets dragged to Hell.

910
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 6: He's like he d yeah.

911
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's also confusing because so he's the reason, so

912
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: maybe it's not. He's the reason that the curse happened

913
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 2: to begin with because of this whole secret murder and

914
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 2: him secretly keeping the lovers apart, and now he's the

915
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:17,400
Speaker 2: one trying to, I guess, rectify his mistake, but he

916
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: never really acknowledges that this was his fault to begin with,

917
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: and he sort of acts like, thanks to me, this

918
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: curse will be lifted because I'm finding this Sarah woman

919
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 2: who I'm going to convince Edward is his long lost

920
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: lover and it's going to be great and blah blah,

921
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: and it's just like, but you're the reason this happened

922
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: to begin with. I don't know anyway, we don't know.

923
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: Ramsley did not want the lovers to be together for reasons,

924
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 2: reasons of years. They've had so many years to talk

925
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: about this. So the whole thing was that he he

926
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: made Edward Gracie believe that Elizabeth didn't want to be

927
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,080
Speaker 2: with him, and then Ramseley poisoned her and it caused

928
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: the whole curse. So yeah, Ramseley is now trying to

929
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: undo it by having Edward and Sarah get together. But

930
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 2: an a live person can't marry a dead ghost. So Ramseley'

931
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 2: is like, oh, sorry, Jim, but I'm gonna have to

932
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 2: kill your his wife. And then Ramseley traps the kids

933
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 2: in a trunk and throws Jim out of the house. Meanwhile,

934
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 2: this is when Sarah is all like, hah, what's happening,

935
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: because again it takes her so long to understand that,

936
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: like Ramseley's orchestrating this whole thing where he's trying to

937
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: get Edward to marry Sarah and convince Sarah to go

938
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:49,399
Speaker 2: along with this plan, and he's like, if you don't

939
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 2: marry Edward, I'm going to kill your children. So Sarah

940
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 2: puts on Elizabeth's wedding dress and is about to go

941
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: through with marrying Edward. Outside, Jim is trying to get

942
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 2: back into the house but he can't and he gives up,

943
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 2: and Madame Leota rolls up in her crystal ball and

944
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,759
Speaker 2: she's like, you have to keep trying so then he

945
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: drives his BMW into the house, which works for some reason.

946
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: He saves his kids and then stops the wedding just

947
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: as Sarah drinks poisoned wine and he's like, by the way, Edward,

948
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 2: the truth is that Ramsley killed your beloved Elizabeth, and

949
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 2: here's the letter to prove it. And then this is

950
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 2: when Ramsley is like, damn you all to hell, and

951
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: then a fire demon comes out of the ground and

952
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 2: drags him to hell.

953
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 3: Like what did he think would happen? Oh?

954
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: Wow, this is the first time he's opening it movie.

955
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 3: He's almost over.

956
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, He's like, all right, last effort, right doesn't work.

957
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 2: Sarah starts dying because of the poison, and then the

958
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 2: ghost Orb who was Elizabeth all along, shows back up,

959
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 2: goes inside of Sarah and uses her physical form to

960
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:15,280
Speaker 2: kiss Edward. Okay, we'll talk about that, and she's like, babe,

961
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:18,360
Speaker 2: let's go to heaven. By the way, Eddie Murphy, thanks

962
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 2: for releasing me. And he's like, no problem. And then

963
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: Sarah comes back to life and Edward gives Jim the

964
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 2: deed to the house and all the spirits ascend to heaven,

965
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 2: and then the movie ends with the Evers family driving off.

966
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 2: Madam Leota in her crystal ball is with them and

967
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: they are now presumably headed to their family trip to

968
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: the lake.

969
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 3: The end.

970
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, beautiful, we love it.

971
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,840
Speaker 2: Let's take another quick break and we'll come back to

972
00:53:54,000 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: discuss and we're back.

973
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, where shall we start? Where would everyone likes

974
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 3: to start?

975
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: My deep size, let's just say that sucks?

976
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: Should we talk about Sarah?

977
00:54:17,320 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah?

978
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,000
Speaker 4: I definitely think that there's like so much to say.

979
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 2: Yes, well, we've already mentioned that she and her husband

980
00:54:28,560 --> 00:54:32,200
Speaker 2: have the same job, although we never see her doing

981
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 2: her job. Really, there's a scene where she's on the

982
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 2: phone with Ramsley and she's like, no, my husband and

983
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 2: I work as a team. But again you never see

984
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: that because you only ever see Jim working solo.

985
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:46,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

986
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like a very like early two thousands

987
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: like way of being like, well, you can't say that

988
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 3: we're not you know, like being equitable to women, because

989
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: you know what.

990
00:54:59,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: She's in it.

991
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 3: But it's like she only acts as like a wife

992
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: and mother. She never acts like her job is not Yeah,

993
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 3: I mean the movie can't happen without Eddie Murphy's job.

994
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: But like you can't say the same for her, definitely. Yeah,

995
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 2: And then on top of that, she's presented as being

996
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 2: like a nagging wife, the way that so many like

997
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 2: woman and wife characters are portrayed in movies, where what's

998
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: usually actually happening is that they are expressing a desire

999
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 2: for their partner to be an active participant in the

1000
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: relationship and in the household. They're expressing a desire for

1001
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: affection and emotional availability from their partner. They're expressing a

1002
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 2: desire to establish boundaries in the relationship, you know, things

1003
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:53,920
Speaker 2: like that. But this is is like, why my wife

1004
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 2: won't stop nagging me?

1005
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 4: I gave her a watch? Why is she still talking?

1006
00:55:58,560 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1007
00:55:58,760 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 2: Why is she mad?

1008
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 3: I'm just I feel like but the subtext of that

1009
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 3: is always like I'm just trying to provide for our family,

1010
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 3: and it's like, well, theoretically she's doing the same fucking

1011
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 3: job and is being a parent.

1012
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 4: And it's like I just don't get that. Like if

1013
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 4: their partners, then they're both making the same right, Like,

1014
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 4: it's like it's their company, it's their real estate business.

1015
00:56:18,560 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 4: So like she's obviously aware of the fact that like

1016
00:56:21,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 4: he's doing that job and saying you can do it.

1017
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 4: Less we have enough, and I'm like a man. A

1018
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 4: man doesn't want to hear work less. Then you hate

1019
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,879
Speaker 4: your family. Like the subtis here is in the real

1020
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 4: version of this movie, they go to the house, all

1021
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 4: the kids would get sucked into that tron. The wife

1022
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 4: would get kidnapped a that guy and he'd bounce. He'd

1023
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 4: be like, okay, like he got in the car. It

1024
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 4: wasn't raining anymore.

1025
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 3: He could.

1026
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: Could have been a force majeure. Is that what that

1027
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 2: movie is about? Anyway?

1028
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like she's just so attractive. It's like such a bummer.

1029
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 4: It's like that she should really leave it. Like that's

1030
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 4: the whole time. You don't have to go through with

1031
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 4: the marrying somebody to save these kids.

1032
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: It's like you and the kids are basically, you know,

1033
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 3: doing your own thing anyways.

1034
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 2: Right, And then so like for the whole second half

1035
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 2: of the movie, she's extremely damseled. Like we already mentioned,

1036
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 2: she's characterized as being very oblivious and overly trusting because

1037
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 2: like Edward is being so creepy, Ramsley is being so creepy,

1038
00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: she doesn't seem to notice. And it's just like in

1039
00:57:31,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 2: real life, the world is an unsafe place for women,

1040
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,720
Speaker 2: particularly women of color. True, and so women have to

1041
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 2: move about the world in a very specific way where

1042
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: they are hyper aware of their surroundings. They sense danger

1043
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,959
Speaker 2: very well. Like and she's just like, dode do what

1044
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean.

1045
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:54,439
Speaker 4: The fact that they're having a fight about their relationship

1046
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 4: at the mansion to the point where she would be

1047
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 4: alone in a room in a place where they have

1048
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,360
Speaker 4: to stay night and they don't know those people. I'm like,

1049
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 4: I'd be like, get your ass in here, we're gonna

1050
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,480
Speaker 4: hash it out. Yeah, all night, push, I don't care

1051
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 4: if some man wants to talk you, right.

1052
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 3: It's so bizarre. Yeah, I mean, I just feel like, yeah,

1053
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: they don't write a character for her at all. We

1054
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 3: get the set like in everything she does as Sarah

1055
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: and then eventually as Elizabeth is to service the like

1056
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: whoever the man in the scene is, because it's like

1057
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 3: she's there at the beginning saying you need to spend

1058
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 3: more time with your family. To set up Eddie Murphy's

1059
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: conflict she has like she's got nothing, and then at

1060
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 3: the end she comes out of the ghost orb to

1061
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 3: resolve whatever his name Grimsbys. Edie believe the Bleep's conflict,

1062
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 3: so she can kiss him, and then he can and

1063
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: then they can die, Like you're just like this his

1064
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: actors like double fucked in this movie. It sucks right.

1065
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 2: Her body is used so that a ghost can inhabit it,

1066
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: so that the ghost man can kiss her. And I

1067
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: was like why, Like I was asking that question that

1068
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: we posed before, like why can't Elizabeth's ghost take a

1069
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 2: more like corporeal form? Is that how you say that word?

1070
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 2: And that like that's the form that can kiss Edward?

1071
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: Like why does Sarah's unconscious body have to be used?

1072
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 2: And then I remembered, oh, because Disney movies are obsessed

1073
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 2: with men kissing unconscious women, because like a few moments

1074
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: later you do see ghost Elizabeth in her like human

1075
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 2: body form. Why couldn't Edward have kissed her?

1076
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 3: Then? Like, well, I think that the reason it is

1077
00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 3: is to set up the like Eddie Murphy or I

1078
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 3: guess Jim whatever, the Eddie Murphy character joke where he's like,

1079
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 3: oh no, this ghost is kissing my wife, Like that's

1080
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: the joke that's being set up by the ghost possessing

1081
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 3: his wife's unconscious body where he keeps I mean, and

1082
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 3: he's Eddie Murphy out, Yeah, I can't take it from him.

1083
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's also like since we know that his

1084
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:10,920
Speaker 4: wife is not the ghost right, Like the ghost is confused,

1085
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 4: why does he ever? Like once that is established to

1086
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 4: the ghost guy, the other orbs should become a first.

1087
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 4: I know, she doesn't have to be in the lookalike

1088
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 4: body if they're not even related, there's no story.

1089
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't know why this happens.

1090
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 4: It makes no sense at all. It's just like they

1091
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 4: needed the actress to do something active at some point,

1092
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,360
Speaker 4: so they were like the ghost you, the ghost look

1093
01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 4: alike you from the eighteen hundreds is gonna kiss this

1094
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 4: ghost white man and then they're gonna go off to heaven.

1095
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 4: Why did it to be married to go to heaven?

1096
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I didn't even think of that, Like just

1097
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 3: leave God does he? Movies are so like sometimes you

1098
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 3: don't even realize the amount of like weird institutional thought.

1099
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,880
Speaker 3: That's it's like, well, of course you can't go to

1100
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 3: heaven if you're living in sin, so you want to

1101
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 3: get Christian married.

1102
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,560
Speaker 4: And also like all the other people in the house, okay,

1103
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,960
Speaker 4: like the house gets cursed because they both killed themselves,

1104
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 4: so why is everybody else even there? They didn't die

1105
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 4: that night, they died in the house.

1106
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what is that about?

1107
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 3: Did they eventually die and then they just had to

1108
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 3: stay there for plot reasons? Yeah, it's really, But then

1109
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 3: there's like a whole thriving Yeah, because I guess they

1110
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 3: do kind of act as if like a bomb went

1111
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 3: off in the haunted mansion after these duths took place,

1112
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 3: because everyone is still there from that night, including hundreds

1113
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:42,000
Speaker 3: of other ghosts. You're like, yeah, is this like Oppenheimer

1114
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 3: like what happened? Like, yeah, why so many ghosts in

1115
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 3: one place?

1116
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1117
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 2: Did they all live there at once? That's a thousand

1118
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: people is a lot to live, even in a huge mansion.

1119
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 4: And would you stay there if somebody like two people died,

1120
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,760
Speaker 4: you'd be like, I'm never going get me out of here.

1121
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 4: Did I drink the poison? Like I'd make it about me?

1122
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 2: We're not sure. It's almost as if this movie was

1123
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,840
Speaker 2: based on a ride with no narrative and they just

1124
01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 2: had to make shuit up and none of it makes sense.

1125
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,960
Speaker 3: Make sure every ghost and the ride was in the movie,

1126
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:16,200
Speaker 3: and don't question you.

1127
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. They were like that weird puppety one from

1128
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 4: the end between.

1129
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 2: You and my god, why are the singing busts? Why

1130
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 2: do they have a whole scene to themselves.

1131
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 3: Because Caitlyn, they're on the ride part.

1132
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 4: I hear there was like that rumor that one of

1133
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 4: the ghosts that are singing is like Walt Disney, But

1134
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 4: that's just not true. It just looks like him.

1135
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 3: Oh, people are so goofy. They're like, well, if it

1136
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 3: looks like they're extremely.

1137
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 4: Goozy, They're like, it's some other guys. Just like a

1138
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:53,920
Speaker 4: lot of people look like Walt Disney or something.

1139
01:02:55,120 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, white guys with mustaches. They're everywhere. Yeah.

1140
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 2: A couple other things I want to say about Sarah

1141
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: is that she saves her kids by having a wedding

1142
01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 2: versus Jim saves the kids and his wife by you know,

1143
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: crashing his car through a wall. He's fighting sentient suits

1144
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 2: of armor. He's doing a bunch of like action stuff,

1145
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: because men do action and women have weddings. Also, she

1146
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 2: drinks the poison, which I'm pretty sure she knows, like

1147
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 2: the wine is poisoned, and she knows this because Ramsley

1148
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: puts the poison into the goblet right in front of her,

1149
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: And I'm like this, why wouldn't she figure out a

1150
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 2: way to like not drink it or any like.

1151
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: Because because women in this world see things and it

1152
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 3: does not compute.

1153
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, like also like no struggle drinking it like I

1154
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 4: would have been.

1155
01:03:53,560 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 2: Like, and she's like young Yeng look Kbride Salyon. She

1156
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:06,040
Speaker 2: makes absolutely no active choices to get out of this

1157
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:09,440
Speaker 2: very dangerous situation she's in, which is like, you know,

1158
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: classic damsel behavior. And then meanwhile, the man is making

1159
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: active choices right and left and like figuring out how

1160
01:04:18,040 --> 01:04:20,880
Speaker 2: like how to overcome the obstacles that he's in and

1161
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 2: do this, and that she does nothing is very frustrating.

1162
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:24,800
Speaker 4: Yes.

1163
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 2: Also I started on my second watch of the movie,

1164
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:32,040
Speaker 2: I cause on my first watch I noticed how often

1165
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 2: Jim says my wife, and so I started tallying it,

1166
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 2: and I feel like I missed a few times, but

1167
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 2: I counted fourteen times where he's like my wife, my wife,

1168
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 2: my wife.

1169
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,800
Speaker 3: I also, ye, I think he says it more often

1170
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,880
Speaker 3: than Yeah, he beats Boorap by three whole years to

1171
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 3: this amazing catchphrase, But I think he says it more

1172
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 3: than he says her name, which is like.

1173
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 2: I also counted how many times Sarah says my husband

1174
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: and unless I'm missing some I only counted four times. Huh,

1175
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: so big difference.

1176
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 5: Well yeah, I feel like she said the kids' names

1177
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 5: more frequently too.

1178
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1179
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 3: Well I also thought it was interesting. Okay, So contrasting

1180
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,640
Speaker 3: with Sarah, where it seems like adult women I guess

1181
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 3: of which, Sarah is the only like character of importance

1182
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 3: who's an adult woman in this movie because Cook, I

1183
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 3: mean no disrespect to Cook Cookie Lady, but they're kind

1184
01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 3: of a package deal. Ye, But she's like the only

1185
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 3: woman that even has something resembling an arc, even though

1186
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: it's just in service to the two men. But and

1187
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:41,920
Speaker 3: then on the other hand, for some reason, the daughter

1188
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:44,920
Speaker 3: is like, I don't know, she has more to do

1189
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 3: than her mom and has, you know, at least it's

1190
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 3: a very like Disney Channel personality, where like I can

1191
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,760
Speaker 3: do anything, I'm not scared, I'm the big sister. But

1192
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 3: it was like that worked for me. Fine. I liked

1193
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 3: that she like and I think that more like it's

1194
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: it's you know again, it's like there's not massive it's

1195
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 3: like not earth shattering Oppenheim first dime plot developments, but like,

1196
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, it's nice to see the like the courageous,

1197
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 3: like really smart kid, be the daughter that's always nice.

1198
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,400
Speaker 3: I liked when Eddie Murphy yelled at her for knowing Latin.

1199
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 4: Sure, yeah, yeah, you said it was a dead language.

1200
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 3: It's like, well, he's right, that's right. Like she does

1201
01:06:34,680 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 3: motivated choices, like like she had a few, Like she

1202
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 3: had more moments than I was expecting.

1203
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 2: For sure, she is given things to do. She remembers

1204
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 2: the whatever clues that Madam Leota says. She goes into

1205
01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 2: the tomb to help her dad. She is the one

1206
01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,840
Speaker 2: who finds the key that he dropped. Like she's doing things.

1207
01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 2: But it does take a while for her participation in

1208
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: the story to feel significant because up until that point

1209
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 2: there's a lot of focus on Michael, especially because like

1210
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: this arc for him is being set up. Megan doesn't

1211
01:07:11,080 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: really get an ARC, But I'm like, okay, that's fine,

1212
01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: because like she is given more to do and then

1213
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 2: Michael gets an ARC. Like that feels like a pretty balanced,

1214
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 2: like narrative characterization kind of thing. Yeah, but Michael's arc

1215
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 2: is weird to me because so it's set up that

1216
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 2: he's a scaredy cat and he's especially afraid of spiders

1217
01:07:30,040 --> 01:07:32,440
Speaker 2: and his dad is like, you have to learn to

1218
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 2: face your fears. You should never be afraid of anything,

1219
01:07:35,720 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 2: which is very much like.

1220
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 3: Well, and it was very and he directly ties it

1221
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: into like it's time to be a man.

1222
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:45,760
Speaker 4: Yeah they're ten, Yeah, exactly, go get a job at

1223
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 4: the real estate firm that your mother.

1224
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 2: We need to be evers and evers and evers.

1225
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,280
Speaker 3: I did forevers and evers. It's not the worst. It's

1226
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 3: not the worst turnive phrase.

1227
01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 4: It's so clever, pretty cute. It's the.

1228
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 2: Advice that fathers give their sons in movies is almost

1229
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 2: always like the worst advice possible. It's always like, here's

1230
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:14,040
Speaker 2: how to be a man. And then he proceeds to

1231
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: say the most toxic and reductive thing ever, and then.

1232
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 3: Ada turns out he was right.

1233
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then Madame Leota also kind of has to

1234
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 4: tell Eddie Murphy's character Jim to be a man because

1235
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 4: he's like, she's like, don't give up, and then he's like, Okay,

1236
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 4: I'll ram my car through the wall, which is like,

1237
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 4: maybe take the car.

1238
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:34,439
Speaker 3: It gets it's not really what she was asking for

1239
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 3: a man.

1240
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 4: This is wrecking a car.

1241
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:43,560
Speaker 2: So then so Michael's are culminates when he has to

1242
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 2: like face his fear of spiders to like open the

1243
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 2: door to let his dad and sister out of the tomb,

1244
01:08:50,040 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: and Jim is being like, Hey, remember before when I

1245
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,920
Speaker 2: said that you shouldn't be afraid, Well, guess what, it's

1246
01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,800
Speaker 2: okay to be afraid. I'm afraid right now. And I'm like,

1247
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,960
Speaker 2: I like that that what Jim is saying, and that

1248
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:07,679
Speaker 2: he's kind of going back on his toxic mindset about

1249
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 2: like fear being for losers kind of thing. But I'm

1250
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,800
Speaker 2: also like, is Jim just saying this because you would

1251
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: say anything to get out of being murdered by Skellington's like,

1252
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 2: because they never have a final beat of that where

1253
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 2: they like have a calm conversation when they're not in

1254
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 2: danger in danger exactly. So I'm just like, how does

1255
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 2: Jim actually feel about this? I feel like we never know,

1256
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:38,160
Speaker 2: so I don't know how to feel about that. But yeah,

1257
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 2: but I do appreciate, like we were saying that. Megan,

1258
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 2: even though she doesn't get an ARC like her brother does,

1259
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:48,160
Speaker 2: she does get to play a more active role in

1260
01:09:48,280 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 2: the story, especially towards the end of the second act.

1261
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 3: Totally yeah, which is like, again that only that only

1262
01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 3: goes so far because the movie is like still not awesome,

1263
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 3: but you're like, all right, maybe i'll take I'll take

1264
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 3: what I can get.

1265
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 5: Something happened.

1266
01:10:02,600 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, the whole time, I was just hoping that somebody

1267
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 4: would like come and burn the house down, like just

1268
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: put us out of our visity. Like, no one is

1269
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 4: committed to being here except for the butler, and he's

1270
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:15,040
Speaker 4: dead already.

1271
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: Why so committed to it?

1272
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 4: I don't get it, Like did he get cursed to

1273
01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,000
Speaker 4: stay there because the dude killed himself? Like I just

1274
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 4: don't get, like, free yourself as a butler, you're a

1275
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 4: butler in death.

1276
01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do not understand the logistics of the curse.

1277
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: It must be like trapping them there physically.

1278
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know.

1279
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 4: But they have cookies, so it's like not all that.

1280
01:10:39,080 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 2: This was actually fine.

1281
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they don't really have to work because the

1282
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:47,479
Speaker 4: lady's dead. Now it's true, so kind of cookies and

1283
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:57,880
Speaker 4: sulking worse. It's better than my present. Honestly, they didn't

1284
01:10:57,880 --> 01:10:58,799
Speaker 4: survive a pandemic.

1285
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not on strike, they don't have a union,

1286
01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: and they're not really working to begin with. Can we

1287
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: talk about Madam Leota briefly. Sure. The main thing to

1288
01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,280
Speaker 2: say here is that a word that is largely considered

1289
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:20,200
Speaker 2: a slur for Romani people is used to refer to

1290
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 2: Madam Liota. We've talked about this situation a lot on

1291
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 2: the podcast, and it.

1292
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 3: Still happens in movies now, which blows my mind. But yeah,

1293
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 3: it still does happen.

1294
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 2: Yes, And then this character exists in the story in

1295
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: the same way that Romani people are almost always characterized

1296
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,960
Speaker 2: in popular media, which is like, she's a fortune teller,

1297
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,879
Speaker 2: she's a mystic of some type, she speaks in riddles.

1298
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 2: The Romani people in any given movie are almost never

1299
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:52,720
Speaker 2: like the protagonist of the movie. They were just like

1300
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 2: a side character who's there to help or hinder the protagonist.

1301
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:00,920
Speaker 2: The protagonist is usually a white character. That is not

1302
01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:02,000
Speaker 2: the case for this movie.

1303
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:04,719
Speaker 1: But right.

1304
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 5: Now, you too can discriminate.

1305
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:13,799
Speaker 2: And then they're often not played by Romani actors. Jennifer

1306
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,919
Speaker 2: Tilly almost nets not Romani.

1307
01:12:16,240 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 3: So yeah, and it doesn't seem like if I'm remembering correctly,

1308
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 3: And Jamie Lee Curtis is in fact the actor who

1309
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:27,519
Speaker 3: plays Madame Leota in the new movie that has not

1310
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 3: been improved in the interceding twenty years. Yeay, y, yeah, what.

1311
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:39,439
Speaker 3: I think that this was something when I was just

1312
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 3: looking for kind of I don't know, I feel like

1313
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 3: for every millennial movie, regardless of quality, really, there is

1314
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,640
Speaker 3: a number of essays about why it was important to

1315
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 3: somebody or stuff like that. I was looking for people

1316
01:12:54,640 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 3: who have been fans of this movie over time, like

1317
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:00,799
Speaker 3: what sort of keeps them coming back to Eddie Murphy's

1318
01:13:00,920 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 3: Haunted mansion. And there were two reasons that I was

1319
01:13:04,280 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 3: finding consistent. One was just like, it's a movie for kids,

1320
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 3: and I think part of the reason it was reviewed

1321
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: harshly was as if it were it was supposed to

1322
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 3: be scary for adults. And to that, I say, grow up, like,

1323
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,519
Speaker 3: watch your own movie. Yeh, go watch the Baba Duck

1324
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,680
Speaker 3: like you're fine. And then there's also the fact that

1325
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 3: this is one of the only children's children's movies period,

1326
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 3: but also children's horror movies that features a black family,

1327
01:13:33,479 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 3: which in two thousand and three was not happening anywhere.

1328
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,920
Speaker 2: I would extend that even to just movies in general

1329
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,080
Speaker 2: that feature a black family. That is the type of

1330
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 2: movie that a white family would generally occupy.

1331
01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 5: That totally roll.

1332
01:13:52,360 --> 01:13:56,160
Speaker 4: It's like black Casper, right, right, I mean Casper made

1333
01:13:56,200 --> 01:13:59,320
Speaker 4: more sense, it was better. But right, and that's not

1334
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 4: the black people's that's just the movie, right.

1335
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 3: That's just yeah, the movie was written by a white

1336
01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:07,320
Speaker 3: writer who uh yeah, like if.

1337
01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 4: You would put black people in Casper, it would be

1338
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:09,240
Speaker 4: the same movie.

1339
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally, only the ghosts were as interesting.

1340
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly or hot.

1341
01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, why aren't the ghosts hotter in Casper?

1342
01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 4: I know there were really only one was trying to

1343
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:21,920
Speaker 4: date in.

1344
01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: Show, but yeah, I mean so few Hollywood movies that

1345
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,920
Speaker 2: feature black people as the main characters allow them to

1346
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:34,880
Speaker 2: be in a story where they are dealing with the

1347
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:37,680
Speaker 2: same type of stuff that white people deal with in

1348
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 2: movies all the time, such as like accidentally going to

1349
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:44,840
Speaker 2: a haunted house the way that white people and movies

1350
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,920
Speaker 2: go to haunted houses all the time. Yeah, that's like

1351
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,680
Speaker 2: one of the main reasons I wanted to cover this

1352
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 2: because I was like, this is such a rare example

1353
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 2: of and I think we talked about this maybe on

1354
01:14:54,479 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 2: the episode on the movie US as like another rare

1355
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: example of of and specifically like horror movie, but yeah,

1356
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 2: of like a black family being allowed to deal with

1357
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,240
Speaker 2: the types of conflicts that we normally see white people

1358
01:15:09,320 --> 01:15:10,599
Speaker 2: dealing with in movies.

1359
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and just being liberally I mean, and and there

1360
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:16,840
Speaker 3: was I mean, there was just a there's just a

1361
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,840
Speaker 3: movie dedicated to like exploring this trope of like, yeah,

1362
01:15:22,600 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 3: it's I finally got to see it last week, and

1363
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:29,320
Speaker 3: it's so so much, so fun really funny. And I mean,

1364
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 3: I think especially yeah, in the horror space, there's so

1365
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 3: many racist tropes. And so even though you know, is

1366
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,920
Speaker 3: Eddie Murphy hat to mention a masterpiece?

1367
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:40,240
Speaker 4: No, absolutely not.

1368
01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 3: No, no one's asking no one's asking it to be

1369
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:44,480
Speaker 3: like the ride's.

1370
01:15:44,160 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 5: Not a masterpiece.

1371
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 4: It's doing justice to the ride. I also just like,

1372
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 4: you know, maybe the way to update it is like

1373
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,400
Speaker 4: have the ghosts be black, Like I think that at

1374
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 4: least for us, like the movie us, like the spooky thing,

1375
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 4: the spooky element, the tethered's, they're like some of them

1376
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:02,599
Speaker 4: are black, Like that's kind of interesting. I do think

1377
01:16:02,600 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 4: it's funny, like the conceit of a black family having

1378
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 4: to deal with like these like eighteen hundreds white people

1379
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,920
Speaker 4: goes who are progressive and want to marry the black woman, right,

1380
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,400
Speaker 4: they had the right politics. Allegedly we don't want to

1381
01:16:15,439 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 4: dive too deep into it, all right.

1382
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:18,840
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I guess I'm glad that they didn't

1383
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,400
Speaker 3: like get deep into Yeah, can you imagine the century racism, But.

1384
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,800
Speaker 4: The way that it's skirt the movie's bad, you know

1385
01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:27,880
Speaker 4: it is it is like.

1386
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 3: Vaguefied to a wild degree that it's just like forbid different,

1387
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 3: Like everything they're saying could also be applied to classism.

1388
01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,880
Speaker 3: But because of like you're just like okay, okay, movie, fine,

1389
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 3: all right whatever.

1390
01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 4: Right, like all right, you tried it. I also think

1391
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 4: like an important point and I think that like Eddie

1392
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 4: Murphy does this more in his movies than most other

1393
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 4: like major black movie stars who are men, is that

1394
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 4: his spouse in the movies are almost always black women,

1395
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 4: and so like to see a full fit family that

1396
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 4: is like black love and black everybody is Like I

1397
01:17:03,720 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 4: feel like that was still even today is very rare,

1398
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 4: Like it's it's just like it's usually like a black

1399
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:14,200
Speaker 4: guy and his like hot latina wife, his hot white

1400
01:17:14,240 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 4: wife and then the kids are you know, a light

1401
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:19,400
Speaker 4: skin color and then it's fine. But I think that

1402
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 4: was at least interesting to watch for like more than

1403
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 4: an hour was like, Wow, four black people, they really

1404
01:17:25,600 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 4: all got paid, right.

1405
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,920
Speaker 2: It almost feels like the trend, the current trend of

1406
01:17:31,080 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: that is like we're progressive because look at us featuring

1407
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: a mixed race couple. Isn't that exciting? Isn't that right? Subversive?

1408
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 4: It's very I mean, you know, maybe one day a

1409
01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,000
Speaker 4: black woman will get a role that like is it

1410
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:46,200
Speaker 4: four lines and.

1411
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 2: That she actually has a character.

1412
01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

1413
01:17:51,439 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 4: It felt dated even then. I would think I didn't

1414
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:57,280
Speaker 4: see it then, but it's like, I, yeah, I guess

1415
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 4: like they don't really make well, maybe they do. I

1416
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,599
Speaker 4: haven't watched a lot of kids movies since that era.

1417
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 4: Like that was when I stopped. I was like, I'm

1418
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 4: gonna I'm a teen, Yeah, and to like to see it.

1419
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 4: It's just it felt very nineties, Like it felt like, oh,

1420
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,200
Speaker 4: this is a Jim Carrey movie. This is a there's

1421
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 4: the premises this and there's no plot beyond that, and

1422
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 4: the woman is no one. She's just disappointed by her husband.

1423
01:18:25,439 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 2: That's it, yeah for sure.

1424
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,360
Speaker 4: So like and then maybe they get a divorce at

1425
01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 4: the lake, like she's like that shit sucked. You were

1426
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:34,000
Speaker 4: only there because you're greedy.

1427
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,120
Speaker 3: I hope that She's like, I don't know if you're

1428
01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: paying attention, Jim, but they actually made the deed to

1429
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 3: me specifically. And you're a bad husband and a bad father,

1430
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: and you're Eddie Murphy, so you'll be financially fine.

1431
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:52,720
Speaker 2: And my mother, you'll be in Shrek two and.

1432
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 3: Four and five if we're lucky, lucky please, Well they're

1433
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:00,920
Speaker 3: young and alive.

1434
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I appreciated that because again, white

1435
01:19:07,439 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 2: people and white families in movies get to do anything,

1436
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:15,600
Speaker 2: and black characters are rarely afforded the same range of narratives,

1437
01:19:15,680 --> 01:19:21,960
Speaker 2: the same genres, and so I appreciated that. This is

1438
01:19:22,000 --> 01:19:26,719
Speaker 2: again a rare example of a movie that lets black

1439
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:30,440
Speaker 2: people get into spooky hijinks.

1440
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,760
Speaker 3: In the haunted mansion, Yeah.

1441
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:37,960
Speaker 2: Family vacation's gone wrong, people dealing with ghosts.

1442
01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 4: They got to have a lake house. We never saw it,

1443
01:19:40,280 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 4: but they had some sort of wealth going true.

1444
01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:44,679
Speaker 2: He drives a BMW.

1445
01:19:45,120 --> 01:19:47,799
Speaker 3: Well, one thing about Jim, ever's he's a closer.

1446
01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 2: He's always be closing.

1447
01:19:50,680 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 3: He always be closing.

1448
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: What's that movie? The most boring movie I've ever seen?

1449
01:19:58,280 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 2: Sorry McGuire, No Glengarry Glenn Cross.

1450
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's always so frustrating when a movie's title

1451
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 3: is more fun. It's more fun than the movie, right,

1452
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:12,439
Speaker 3: it's fun title. It sounds like it's about a fantasy

1453
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 3: cartoon world, but it's not.

1454
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:17,080
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, no, never let well does.

1455
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 3: Anyone else have anything to say about Eddie Murphy's Haunted

1456
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 3: Mansion two thousand and three?

1457
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 4: Uh? I mean, I don't think it passes the Vechtel says,

1458
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:26,639
Speaker 4: I don't want to spoil is that one where we headed?

1459
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:33,320
Speaker 2: Yes, we are indeed thause we're headed that way. I honestly,

1460
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:35,720
Speaker 2: you forgot to pay attention. If anything, it would be

1461
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:41,000
Speaker 2: Sarah talking to her daughter Megan, which I don't.

1462
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,639
Speaker 4: Actually, it was always about the dad. I felt like, yeah,

1463
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,599
Speaker 4: I even thought maybe the scene where the Cookie Lady

1464
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 4: is talking specifically to the girl about the cookies, but

1465
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,800
Speaker 4: it's not enough dialogue and they both they don't both

1466
01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:58,479
Speaker 4: talk about the cookies. So I mean, maybe I'm wrong,

1467
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,519
Speaker 4: but I didn't get a sense.

1468
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:00,560
Speaker 2: I think no.

1469
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,600
Speaker 3: I think yeah, I think the only real shot at

1470
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 3: that would have been I don't think it happens between

1471
01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:08,559
Speaker 3: Meghan and her mom, and I think the only other

1472
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:10,840
Speaker 3: opportunity would be Meghan and Cookie.

1473
01:21:10,680 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 2: Lady or Madam Liota.

1474
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 4: I guess yeah, I don't know, but weren't they talking

1475
01:21:16,320 --> 01:21:17,880
Speaker 4: They're probably talking about the dead guy.

1476
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 2: Well, she also only really talks to to Eddie Murphy.

1477
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna say spiritually. Spiritually, it just doesn't we're

1478
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,240
Speaker 3: gonna We're gonna go with no. And if you want

1479
01:21:30,280 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 3: to talk to us about a technicality, I don't think

1480
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:36,280
Speaker 3: we want to hear ye. I don't actually want to think.

1481
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,919
Speaker 2: You can keep that to yourself forevers and evers.

1482
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:43,599
Speaker 3: Now to the metric that matters.

1483
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 2: That's right, our nipple scale a scale of zero to

1484
01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,680
Speaker 2: five nipples. Based on examining the movie through an intersectional

1485
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 2: feminist lens, I would say, based on the general PISP

1486
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 2: treatment of Sarah, her being characterized as being nagging even

1487
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: though she's just like once a partner who is not

1488
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 2: ruining their marriage. She is so oblivious to all the

1489
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 2: creepy stuff going on around her. She isn't allowed to

1490
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,479
Speaker 2: make any active choices all that kind of stuff. I

1491
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:30,680
Speaker 2: do again, I do appreciate that this is a and

1492
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:33,640
Speaker 2: A it's a high budget movie, and it grossed a

1493
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 2: decent amount at the box office. It's a ninety million

1494
01:22:36,720 --> 01:22:40,800
Speaker 2: dollar budget grossed twice that at the box office. So

1495
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,160
Speaker 2: it's a movie that people want to go see that

1496
01:22:43,320 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: features a black family that isn't explicitly about those characters

1497
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:55,080
Speaker 2: struggling with racism or issues related to systemic racism things

1498
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 2: like that. It's just they go to a spooky house

1499
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 2: and they have to deal with the cur that's happening there.

1500
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,840
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that. Even so, I feel like it

1501
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 2: only gets like a one and a half all of

1502
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:14,920
Speaker 2: those things considered. Yeah, and I'll split my one and

1503
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 2: a half nips between Sarah and Megan.

1504
01:23:21,640 --> 01:23:25,920
Speaker 3: Good for them, naked, use it, they need them. Yeah,

1505
01:23:25,960 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 3: I guess I'll meet you at one and a half.

1506
01:23:28,360 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 3: For all the reasons you described it, I mean, I

1507
01:23:31,840 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 3: love I loved this movie when it came out for

1508
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 3: reasons being that I was eight. That's for however old

1509
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 3: I was when this came out, I don't remember, but there, Yeah,

1510
01:23:43,680 --> 01:23:46,280
Speaker 3: I think that this is like, it's just like a

1511
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: simple kids movie. I think that, yeah, it's important to

1512
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 3: have black families represented in this genre outside of all

1513
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:57,720
Speaker 3: of the tropes that I think unfortunately kids may have

1514
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,640
Speaker 3: been familiar with going in seeing this movie. But as

1515
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 3: far as giving the women in the story much to do.

1516
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 3: It's either yeah, it's either Sarah is just left out

1517
01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 3: to dry the entire movie, and then the other women

1518
01:24:12,200 --> 01:24:14,920
Speaker 3: in the story are just kind of giving Eddie Murphy

1519
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 3: various clues. And I think Megan is the best written

1520
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 3: woman in the movie. And wowie wow amazing worth mentioning

1521
01:24:26,439 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 3: because you try to touch Oh God, jump scary. I

1522
01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 3: still had the Country Bears Wikipedia page up, and that

1523
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,920
Speaker 3: while this movie centers a black cast, I don't believe

1524
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:42,200
Speaker 3: that there are any black creatives involved, at least at

1525
01:24:42,400 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 3: the highest level. And movie I feel like there's moments

1526
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:50,080
Speaker 3: where that shows. And also it's just I think important

1527
01:24:50,120 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 3: to keep a movie in check and when they're doing

1528
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 3: on screen representation and less than nothing off screen. One

1529
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,240
Speaker 3: and a half nipples. I showed this movie to a kid.

1530
01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 3: Why not? It's fun and I will give my nipples too.

1531
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know. Megan. The Bridge, Meghan

1532
01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 3: and the Bridge. I like the bridge at the end.

1533
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,560
Speaker 3: I've never been to New Orleans and it made me

1534
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:16,559
Speaker 3: want to go to see that bridge.

1535
01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 2: Let's go.

1536
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,880
Speaker 3: I googled the bridge. I google Hanta Midge Bridge.

1537
01:25:20,479 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 5: It's beautiful. I thought it was like, they're driving in

1538
01:25:22,920 --> 01:25:24,799
Speaker 5: Hawaii or something. I don't know why I thought Hawaii.

1539
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,599
Speaker 4: Oh because he had the Tiki's drinks at the beginning, Okay,

1540
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 4: I was like, why is that in my head? Yeah,

1541
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,439
Speaker 4: this this bar is just like Hawaii, right, and he

1542
01:25:35,560 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 4: believes them. So I'm gonna say, you know, one and

1543
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 4: a half nipples feels fair. And it's not just because

1544
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 4: I'm trying to be agreeable. I think that, like Meghan

1545
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 4: deserves one, I'll give half to Madame Liota. She did

1546
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,320
Speaker 4: have some she had more dialogue, and even if it

1547
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,200
Speaker 4: was all in service of Eddie Murphy figuring out the

1548
01:25:56,360 --> 01:26:01,160
Speaker 4: stupid dead people mystery, it was like at least three

1549
01:26:01,240 --> 01:26:02,439
Speaker 4: pages worth of words.

1550
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:02,920
Speaker 2: True.

1551
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:06,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, everything you all said is correct. I think like

1552
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:10,439
Speaker 4: it's so important to have any representation, especially in horror,

1553
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 4: especially for like kids horror. I just feel like I

1554
01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:15,599
Speaker 4: always thought it was like white people had supernatural shit

1555
01:26:15,680 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 4: when I was a little kidny Black people just couldn't

1556
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:21,720
Speaker 4: afford ghosts or something like. Now, I'm like, okay, so

1557
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 4: if you're a realtor, you could go to the Haunted House.

1558
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:26,639
Speaker 4: You don't own the Haunted house, but at least we're

1559
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:33,479
Speaker 4: making progress. But the movie is just so unfortunately horrifically bad,

1560
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 4: Like I cannot stress enough that, like, if you're watching it,

1561
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 4: you're setting yourself up to I think, maybe entertain children

1562
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:43,680
Speaker 4: for the full almost ninety minutes. I think as a kid,

1563
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 4: I would have been like, we can leave, like then,

1564
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:49,439
Speaker 4: Like I really had a low tolerance for movies where

1565
01:26:49,479 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 4: nothing happens. But I think, you know, in service of

1566
01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 4: the ride, excellent, it's exactly the ride. There's some stuff

1567
01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 4: from the ride even that's not in it that I'm like, Wow,

1568
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 4: they could have had like busts that follow you with

1569
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,680
Speaker 4: their eyes, that could have happened. But yeah, I don't know.

1570
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:09,760
Speaker 4: I just think that the movie was so bad, and like,

1571
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:14,400
Speaker 4: truly Sarah is such an afterthought, yeah, so much to

1572
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 4: so that like I think the painting of her is

1573
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 4: more impactful than the actual right.

1574
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 2: That reveal you're like, oh my gosh, wow.

1575
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:25,800
Speaker 4: My god, someone really paint that. Did she get to

1576
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:27,360
Speaker 4: keep it? Like That's all I could think was, like,

1577
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:29,120
Speaker 4: that would be great if someone painted a picture of

1578
01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:31,799
Speaker 4: me and I look that good in it, Like that's awesome.

1579
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,200
Speaker 4: So that's what the one it hast goes to. I

1580
01:27:35,240 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 4: guess it could be Madame Leota, little Girl and a

1581
01:27:39,120 --> 01:27:43,479
Speaker 4: little bit to whoever painted Sarah, they did a great job.

1582
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,960
Speaker 2: Hell yea, Kila, thank you so much for joining us

1583
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: once again.

1584
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me. I love it here.

1585
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:54,559
Speaker 2: It has been such a delight. Come back anytime. Come

1586
01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 2: back in twenty years for three when we're striking again.

1587
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, we'll all be on that one tiny pinnacle that's

1588
01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 4: left of land on the earth, and we'll be doing

1589
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 4: a podcast for the seven other people on the cumpound.

1590
01:28:08,439 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 2: Yes, we will all be on fire, but we'll have

1591
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 2: to find some way to entertain ourselves, and that will

1592
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:20,840
Speaker 2: be by talking about Lakeith Stanfield's haunted mansion. Where can

1593
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:25,320
Speaker 2: people check you out on social media? Plug anything you're

1594
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 2: able and willing to plug.

1595
01:28:27,640 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel like it's just such a hard time

1596
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:33,560
Speaker 4: to plug, so as you're on the picket lines. I

1597
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,160
Speaker 4: tend to be at Paramount, but it's too hot right now.

1598
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,759
Speaker 4: So there they got us elsewhere. But yeah, I'm always online.

1599
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 4: Follow me on threads and it's also my Instagram handle,

1600
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:51,360
Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna plug Twitter anymore. I'm done, I'm done,

1601
01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 4: screw line, I'm over it. So mostly just there waiting

1602
01:28:55,320 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 4: for the world to come back.

1603
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:00,240
Speaker 2: And you can follow us on a guest Twitter, but

1604
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:03,400
Speaker 2: you don't have to, and also Instagram. Should we get

1605
01:29:03,439 --> 01:29:05,280
Speaker 2: on threads, Jamie I barely.

1606
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 3: Not right. No, we're not gonna you will not be

1607
01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:12,439
Speaker 3: finding us there. We refuse to assimilate today.

1608
01:29:14,479 --> 01:29:15,759
Speaker 4: Now we've been freed.

1609
01:29:16,200 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're done. We're done.

1610
01:29:18,240 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, go outside while the air is still breatheable, which

1611
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 2: it barely is.

1612
01:29:22,880 --> 01:29:23,320
Speaker 4: A little bit.

1613
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 2: Anyway, you can. What you should do definitely is subscribe

1614
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:32,240
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1615
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1618
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1619
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Speaker 3: dot com slash the Bechtel Cast. And with that, let's

1620
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:59,160
Speaker 3: load in the car and drive down the cool bridge

1621
01:29:59,160 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 3: because we're going to Baby and we're bringing the annoying

1622
01:30:02,040 --> 01:30:06,760
Speaker 3: statues with us. Bye ye bye bye bye.