Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're writing
Speaker 1: out twenty twenty five a bunch of times to train
Speaker 1: our brains. It's always embarrassing to still be writing the
Speaker 1: wrong date come March, so we're prevenent advance. It's Monday,
Speaker 1: December thirtieth, and this week we'll be running back some
Speaker 1: of our favorite interviews from twenty twenty four. No news,
Speaker 1: no special segments, no plays of the day, no rate
Speaker 1: and review, just good old fashioned conversations. Up first, my
Speaker 1: conversation from August with American cross country skiing star Jesse Diggins.
Speaker 1: I caught up with Jesse during the Summer Olympics to
Speaker 1: get her thoughts on the pressure of competing on the
Speaker 1: biggest stage in sports.
Speaker 2: Now. These days, it's.
Speaker 1: The height of Jesse's competitive season. The cross Country World
Speaker 1: Cup is in full swing, and as of this recording,
Speaker 1: our girl is currently leading the overall World Cup standings.
Speaker 1: By the time y'all hear this, Jesse will be in
Speaker 1: the middle of the grueling Tour to Ski, which features
Speaker 1: seven stages in two cities during a nine day window.
Speaker 1: We'll link to the full Tour to Ski schedule in
Speaker 1: the show notes, so you can tune in and watch
Speaker 1: Jesse dor Thing make sure to wear some glitter and
Speaker 1: solidarity that conversation than coming up right after this.
Speaker 2: Stick around joining us.
Speaker 1: Now a three time Olympic medalist, including winning the first
Speaker 1: ever gold medal for the US and cross country skiing,
Speaker 1: she's coming off the best ever seasoned by an American
Speaker 1: in the sport, highlighted by her overall World Cup title win.
Speaker 2: She's the author of Brave Enough.
Speaker 1: She's met with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to advocate for
Speaker 1: climate policy, and she's an ambassador for the Emily Program,
Speaker 1: an organization that provides specialized treatment for eating disorders. Fun fact,
Speaker 1: she wears glitter every time she races. It's Jesse Diggins,
Speaker 1: what's up?
Speaker 3: Jesse, Hey, Sarah, thank you for having me, Thank.
Speaker 2: You for coming on. This was such a good idea.
Speaker 1: This was actually producer Alex's idea, our Olympic Expert, because
Speaker 1: we thought it would be really good to have an
Speaker 1: Olympic athlete on who can talk about the Olympic experience
Speaker 1: well at a safe distance from it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: So interviewing the athletes when they're about to leave or
Speaker 1: when they're about to compete means they're in this very
Speaker 1: specific and particular mindset, and we wanted some perspective that's
Speaker 1: not clouded by training or nerves, or expectations or all
Speaker 1: of the stuff that comes with trying to just get
Speaker 1: through one of the biggest moments.
Speaker 2: Of your life.
Speaker 1: So you're in your off season technically, so we're getting
Speaker 1: you at a good time to talk about the Olympics.
Speaker 1: And I want to start with the basics, Like, what
Speaker 1: do you think the number one thing is that fans
Speaker 1: at home don't understand about the Olympics.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I think this will be dependent on your sport.
Speaker 4: But for most of us, you wait for four years
Speaker 4: for the world to watch what you're doing. But you
Speaker 4: haven't stopped.
Speaker 3: You haven't been.
Speaker 4: Frozen in time from one Olympics to the next. So
Speaker 4: you're still training, you're still competing all winter long, and
Speaker 4: once every four years your country just goes ballistic and
Speaker 4: everybody's watching and all the press of the world.
Speaker 3: Is heaped on you.
Speaker 4: And so like we raised, I raised thirty something times
Speaker 4: every single season on the World Cup circuit. We have
Speaker 4: World Championships, but in the US it's like the Olympics
Speaker 4: or nothing. And so the amount of pressure and lights
Speaker 4: and attention and eyes that are on you for this
Speaker 4: one moment every four years. It is extremely hard to
Speaker 4: perform under that. And when you can pull it together
Speaker 4: and perform in the one moment it matters, it will
Speaker 4: actually change your life.
Speaker 3: And so it is I mean, it's not an exaggeration
Speaker 3: to say.
Speaker 4: That it's life changing pressure that you're carrying on your
Speaker 4: shoulders and you have to be able to relax and
Speaker 4: do what you do underneath that. And so I think
Speaker 4: that's just something that it's hard to describe that kind
Speaker 4: of feeling unless you've been through it. And I think
Speaker 4: it definitely changes games to games as well. So my
Speaker 4: first Olympics in twenty fourteen, I was there. I was
Speaker 4: the baby of the team, and I kind of knew
Speaker 4: in my sport you will have, probably if you continue
Speaker 4: to train hard, have multiple Olympics.
Speaker 3: So for me, I was there to gain experience.
Speaker 4: Now, if you're a young gymnast, you might be eighteen,
Speaker 4: really really young, but that may be your one chance
Speaker 4: and you are expected to perform in that moment. So
Speaker 4: I think it's also really interesting sport to sport.
Speaker 1: I think it changes, well, it's not just performing in
Speaker 1: that moment to change your life. But that's also when
Speaker 1: all the interview requests come in, all the sponsors, So
Speaker 1: like you're managing the busiest time of your life at
Speaker 1: the time when anyone else would say, I'm going to
Speaker 1: put those aside for a couple months and come back
Speaker 1: to them once the work is done. But no, it
Speaker 1: all has to happen at once. Sports are about muscle memory, preparation, training,
Speaker 1: doing everything you can before the actual events so that
Speaker 1: when you get there you can just focus on performance.
Speaker 2: How hard is that to do at the.
Speaker 1: Olympics, Like, how different is it competing there versus every
Speaker 1: other competition.
Speaker 4: I think in some ways it's no different, Right, It's
Speaker 4: just another race. You do your same warm up, you
Speaker 4: do your same process of ski selection and wax testing
Speaker 4: and all of that. It's all the same thing, and
Speaker 4: then you find comfort in that routine, Right, mean, this
Speaker 4: thing that I always do. I've done this since high school,
Speaker 4: Like I put my skis on one at a time,
Speaker 4: like I've always done it this way. Nothing is different,
Speaker 4: just because I'm wearing a bib that has the Olympic
Speaker 4: rings across the chest, which is terrifying. But in many
Speaker 4: ways there are a lot of different things. Like you said,
Speaker 4: the media attention that asks the hype. All of a sudden,
Speaker 4: you know, you go from feeling like ah, like nobody
Speaker 4: is really watching, to like, wow, there's multiple cameras focused
Speaker 4: on me at once at all moments, and that that
Speaker 4: does change when you suddenly feel the eyes on you.
Speaker 3: And I think a lot.
Speaker 4: Of it is simply focusing on what you can control
Speaker 4: and trying to not block out the noise. And this
Speaker 4: is something that we've talked about in the sports psychology realm,
Speaker 4: Like if I tell you do not think about an apple,
Speaker 4: and under no circumstances think about.
Speaker 2: It, thank you, it was really it looked delicious.
Speaker 3: Think about it.
Speaker 4: And what if I say, go ahead, think about an apple,
Speaker 4: but still ask me your interview questions.
Speaker 3: You can do both.
Speaker 4: But if you're so focused on trying to block this out, no,
Speaker 4: I'm not thinking about it, I'm not seeing it, it's
Speaker 4: not there. That's so much energy going towards blocking out
Speaker 4: that noise that you don't want.
Speaker 3: And so I think we've shifted.
Speaker 4: The model to yes, there's a lot of lights, Yes
Speaker 4: there's a lot of pressure. Of course, there's a million
Speaker 4: cameras and there's a lot of interviews, there's a lot
Speaker 4: going on, and I.
Speaker 3: Can still focus.
Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. It's just like it's
Speaker 2: just like meditation.
Speaker 1: They'll always say, if you get a thought, don't try
Speaker 1: to push it out.
Speaker 2: Just let it float by like a cloud. You see it,
Speaker 2: but it's not for now, and you let it float away.
Speaker 1: I love that's such a good perspective for literally anything,
Speaker 1: not just competing in the Olympics.
Speaker 2: Like, I love that.
Speaker 1: What is it like watching the Olympics versus competing in them?
Speaker 1: Because I lose my mind, I cry, I tense up
Speaker 1: my hands. I realize that my body hasn't moved from
Speaker 1: like a position for like thirty minutes because I'm nervous.
Speaker 1: And that's just watching like you're actually able to empathize
Speaker 1: so much better with what they're going through.
Speaker 2: So how does it feel watching?
Speaker 3: Oh? Man?
Speaker 4: I mean I was in tears watching both gymnastics teams,
Speaker 4: the women's and the men's, and seeing especially seeing how
Speaker 4: hype the men were for each other, just this genuine
Speaker 4: like jumping up and down and the amount of pressure
Speaker 4: on I almost called him Clark Kent because.
Speaker 3: Of the classes. But you're under pressure. Our last guy
Speaker 3: to put.
Speaker 1: Stephen Kornaky look alike. He's getting a lot of comparisons
Speaker 1: Clark Kent, Stephen Kornaki, He's getting a lot of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I love it, But like, thinking about that,
Speaker 4: it was funny because I was talking to my husband
Speaker 4: and I was recapping the whole thing because he couldn't
Speaker 4: watch while he was at work.
Speaker 3: And I was telling you, like, man like Steven had
Speaker 3: to sit there and.
Speaker 4: Wait and no, like I've been brought here to do
Speaker 4: one thing and I'm the last guy to go.
Speaker 3: And my team is counting on me.
Speaker 4: My whole country's watching, the whole world is watching, and
Speaker 4: I have to perform in the one moment it matters.
Speaker 4: And then he did it, and it brought me to tears,
Speaker 4: Like I was jumping up and down on the couch.
Speaker 4: And it was funny because Wade was like, well, you
Speaker 4: had to do that too in twenty eighteen, like you
Speaker 4: were anchoring the team. It was the one moment it mattered.
Speaker 4: The whole country was watching it. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: but it's not the same, and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: it is the same, but like when you're watching.
Speaker 3: It, it feels like how in the world. Do they
Speaker 3: do that? How is this possible? How can they make
Speaker 3: this happen? How do they pull this off?
Speaker 4: That kind of pressure must be crushing. But then when
Speaker 4: you're in the moment, when I made myself be like, oh,
Speaker 4: he's right, Like I thought back to when that was
Speaker 4: me having to perform under that kind of pressure, I
Speaker 4: wasn't thinking about the pressure. I wasn't thinking about metals,
Speaker 4: was not thinking about results. All I was thinking about
Speaker 4: is my process? How do I ski as fast as possible?
Speaker 4: And I think if I had stopped to think about,
Speaker 4: oh my god, my teammates, hopes and dream for our
Speaker 4: entire career on the line here, I probably would have cracked.
Speaker 4: But that's why I would just focus on how do
Speaker 4: I ski? Like what technique cues? How do I do this?
Speaker 4: And so I think being incredibly process focused and only
Speaker 4: thinking about the things that are within your control is
Speaker 4: so so helpful. And like you said, it's for life,
Speaker 4: not just for the case.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But well you mentioned control though, and I think
Speaker 1: that's part of it too. It's like, as the athlete,
Speaker 1: we've been in those positions and all you're thinking about
Speaker 1: is I'm in control of what I'm doing.
Speaker 2: Now and what can I control.
Speaker 1: It's do I do all the things I've prepared correctly,
Speaker 1: Do I put my best effort forward? And then as
Speaker 1: an athlete, you know, sometimes that means you win at
Speaker 1: sometimes it means you don't. When you're watching zero control,
Speaker 1: zero control over anything, you can't do anything but watch
Speaker 1: and hope, and that feels so much more tenuous than
Speaker 1: when you have the power to do it. Even though
Speaker 1: people who aren't athletes would be like, that's crazy. The
Speaker 1: pressure's on you, but you're not thinking about it. You're like,
Speaker 1: here's what I do and I'm gonna I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 1: I also love what you said about the emotions that
Speaker 1: the mail j has had for each other. There's a
Speaker 1: great episode of Welcome to Wrexham. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you watch it, but they get into detail about how
Speaker 1: sports are one of the few places where men are
Speaker 1: allowed to feel all of the emotions.
Speaker 2: We let them cry.
Speaker 1: We let them hug each other, we let them support
Speaker 1: each other, we let them butt slap each other without
Speaker 1: being weird about it. We let them like support and
Speaker 1: be angry and be sad and be defiant and be supportive.
Speaker 1: Like it's just really cool when we think about the
Speaker 1: ways that we do limit men in ways that we
Speaker 1: often talk about with women but don't with men, and
Speaker 1: how sports is a space that we can stop doing that,
Speaker 1: which I just when I was watching that gymnastics team,
Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing, which is so cool.
Speaker 3: On that note, I have a question for you.
Speaker 4: Do you think we allow women to experience the full
Speaker 4: range of emotions in sport as well?
Speaker 2: I think it depends on who's watching, right.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about that with Mikayla Maroney and how
Speaker 1: she went like viral for being disappointed in her metal
Speaker 1: and making a squirmy, you know, kind of smirky face,
Speaker 1: and how when men are disappointed, we're like, he's so competitive,
Speaker 1: he'll settle for nothing but the best, And when women
Speaker 1: do it, we're like, she should be grateful that she's
Speaker 1: got a medal, She should smile, You should smile more so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a range of dumb shits
Speaker 1: and cool people who will let any kind of person male, female,
Speaker 1: non binary be the full expression of themselves, and then
Speaker 1: there are people who are going to be assholes either way.
Speaker 1: But I do think at least we're really trying to
Speaker 1: acknowledge how we do that to women in ways that
Speaker 1: have changed society, and we're not quite there, I think
Speaker 1: in talking about allowing men to feel those things in
Speaker 1: ways that you know aren't restrictive.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because that it just it made me think a lot,
Speaker 4: like we don't allow men to cry normally, and in
Speaker 4: sport it.
Speaker 3: Is okay, even fans self allow.
Speaker 4: Women to be aggressive competitive and in sport it's sometimes
Speaker 4: okay yeah, but not always. And I think it's just fascinating.
Speaker 4: I think we have a long way to go in
Speaker 4: both ye, in both sides of the equation, like greed
Speaker 4: to allow people to express their full range of emotions
Speaker 4: and sports should be a safe place to do that.
Speaker 4: And I think we can still work on that. And
Speaker 4: so I think absolutely on both sides, on both.
Speaker 3: Sides, and that's something that the Olympics can help with.
Speaker 1: We got to take a quick break plenty more with
Speaker 1: Jesse Diggins coming up right after this. In your experience
Speaker 1: at the Olympics, how much do the athletes talk to
Speaker 1: each other, either comparing their experience in terms of like
Speaker 1: demands of the sport or timing of their events, Like,
Speaker 1: oh man, you get to go first week and then
Speaker 1: spend the rest of the time partying, or oh, my
Speaker 1: events last and I have lots of time to get
Speaker 1: settled and prepare and get on the time schedule. Or
Speaker 1: you got to walk in the opening ceremony, Oh I
Speaker 1: didn't because my event was at the same time, Like
Speaker 1: how much is that sort of like comparing?
Speaker 4: I mean, to some degree, there's I mean, for me anyway,
Speaker 4: I can't talk for anyone else. But our sport is
Speaker 4: very interesting because we compete the very first day and
Speaker 4: the very.
Speaker 3: Last day and many days in between.
Speaker 4: Right, So we have six different events, everything from a
Speaker 4: sprint to a marathon, and the marathon's last and the
Speaker 4: scathons first, and so for us, a lot of it
Speaker 4: it's like maybe you don't get to go in opening
Speaker 4: ceremonies if you race and compete the next day. And
Speaker 4: that's for a lot of athletes, so you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm not the only one in this boat.
Speaker 3: I'm not the only person.
Speaker 4: So in that way, it's helpful to compare, like I'm
Speaker 4: not the only one going through this. Like, yes, I
Speaker 4: would love always march and opening ceremonies. It is the
Speaker 4: experience of a lifetime, and I'm glad I went when
Speaker 4: I was young and I could because I probably won't
Speaker 4: be able to do this next games.
Speaker 3: But I'm not going to be the only one.
Speaker 4: And at the same time, you also see athletes being
Speaker 4: able to go to all these different events and cheer,
Speaker 4: and I just felt happy that they were able to
Speaker 4: do that. On the one hand, I felt so lucky
Speaker 4: that I was able to come in so many events.
Speaker 3: What an absolute gift. And of course, this little part
Speaker 3: of me is like I.
Speaker 4: Would love to someday experience the Olympics when I'm not
Speaker 4: happy to focus every single second of every single day
Speaker 4: for three weeks straight.
Speaker 3: But I'll get there. Someday.
Speaker 4: I'll go as a spectator and I will experience it
Speaker 4: to my heart's content, and I'll go to every event
Speaker 4: and cheer for everyone. And I can have that experience later.
Speaker 4: But right now, I have to lock it in, and
Speaker 4: I have to lock it in for three weeks straight,
Speaker 4: and so I think a lot of it. Instead of comparing,
Speaker 4: it's more like this is just what I have to.
Speaker 2: Do right now, just the reality of it. I do love, though,
Speaker 2: Like your dream is.
Speaker 1: To go to the Olympics as a spectator, it's a
Speaker 1: lot easier to do than what you're doing, which most
Speaker 1: of us will dream of and never get to do.
Speaker 1: You know, I want to ask you about the post
Speaker 1: Olympic letdown because for people, even when they win, even
Speaker 1: gold medalists, will say that they have this feeling after
Speaker 1: the Olympics that they can't shake. And for those who
Speaker 1: are of course seconds off of the podium or don't
Speaker 1: achieve the things they want, that's more understandable.
Speaker 2: It's still heartbreaking but understandable.
Speaker 1: But can you explain to us the psychology or help
Speaker 1: us try to understand why even those who achieve their
Speaker 1: dream and win it all still sometimes have that feeling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, so even when I was a little kid.
Speaker 4: You remember, like when you're a little kid and you
Speaker 4: go to you're like your best friend's birthday party and
Speaker 4: it's a sleepover, and you get really excited and you've
Speaker 4: been looking forward to this. You stay up all night
Speaker 4: and you're totally jazz and you're like hyped up on sugar,
Speaker 4: and then you come home and the next day just
Speaker 4: kind of sucks because you're not with all your friends
Speaker 4: and you're not doing this cool thing, and the thing
Speaker 4: that you've been looking forward to is over. Like my
Speaker 4: mom used to call that the post party blues.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well a lot of people say it for their wedding,
Speaker 1: and I had it with my wedding. You spend a
Speaker 1: year planning and it's so awesome, but then it's over
Speaker 1: and you're like instead of like, Oh, wedded bliss, you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: but that's it. I don't get to do that again.
Speaker 1: Probably if you're lucky.
Speaker 4: And whether or not it was the you know, your
Speaker 4: wedding best of your life, amazing, everything goes perfectly, you
Speaker 4: still have this letdown of like, oh, man, like I
Speaker 4: just got to have all of my loved ones right
Speaker 4: here and everyone's celebrating and have the best time, and like,
Speaker 4: now it's over.
Speaker 3: That's that's challenging.
Speaker 4: And so imagine you're not just you plan a wedding
Speaker 4: for a year, maybe two years, but imagine that you
Speaker 4: have trained four or more years for one thing, one event,
Speaker 4: one experience, one Olympics. So it's not just oh, I've
Speaker 4: been looking forward to this for weeks or months.
Speaker 3: I've been training my whole life.
Speaker 4: To get to this moment, and there's all this hype
Speaker 4: and all this pressure in the world is watching and
Speaker 4: then it's just like boom, over, gone, done, and there's
Speaker 4: this vacuum. And so in many ways, I think we're
Speaker 4: very lucky in cross country skiing because we have a
Speaker 4: normal World Cup season that we return to and finish up,
Speaker 4: so we have a little bit of this this kind
Speaker 4: of ramp down. It's not just falling off a cliff.
Speaker 4: You kind of had this gentle come down of like, Okay.
Speaker 4: In many ways that's very challenging because you're pretty burnt out.
Speaker 4: But in many ways it's awesome because you're like, all right,
Speaker 4: I'm going to go back to the World Cup.
Speaker 1: It's another goal, it's another thing to focus on. Because
Speaker 1: that's part of it too, I think, is like you
Speaker 1: have something to focus on and work towards, and when
Speaker 1: that's gone, it's like, well, what's.
Speaker 2: My purpose now?
Speaker 1: And I've even heard athletes say like if I spent
Speaker 1: my whole life, I thought when I won the gold
Speaker 1: it would change me or get rid of my problems,
Speaker 1: And what I realized was being a gold medalist doesn't
Speaker 1: change the other things in my life that I want
Speaker 1: to fix or work on.
Speaker 2: I've heard a lot of athletes talk about.
Speaker 1: That, and so yeah, I get it. I get that
Speaker 1: letdown is tough. We have to take another quick break.
Speaker 1: The conclusion of my conversation with Jesse is coming up.
Speaker 1: We only have a few more minutes, so let's do
Speaker 1: a quick speed round. Favorite Olympic memory from competing.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I have to say winning the gold medal.
Speaker 1: I mean decent, It sounds decent. Yeah, favorite Olympic memory watching?
Speaker 4: Oh man, there's a lot I gotta say. I think
Speaker 4: just being ready to go on deck for the relay,
Speaker 4: but watching my teammates, so seeing everyone put their heart
Speaker 4: and soul into it, and just knowing like I'm a
Speaker 4: part of this, Like I trained with them, I helped
Speaker 4: push them and look at them go like.
Speaker 3: I felt like the cool crowd they're duckling.
Speaker 1: Like watching I love the Okay, you have to start
Speaker 1: training today to try to compete in the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight Summer Olympics.
Speaker 2: What sport do you have the best shot at making
Speaker 2: it in?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, realistically, like, is very long distance trail
Speaker 4: running a thing?
Speaker 3: Yet in the second case.
Speaker 1: No, I don't believe. So you gotta go, Marathon, you
Speaker 1: gotta go. I'm not thousand meters, not the faster runner.
Speaker 3: I guess I would say swimming, okay.
Speaker 1: All right, And then last question, we've seen a lot
Speaker 1: of athletes pin trading. Are there any other traditions that
Speaker 1: are common for the athletes at the games or like
Speaker 1: things that we don't see behind the scene that would
Speaker 1: be like heartwarming about what the athletes do to like
Speaker 1: memorialize their experience or commemorate I guess not memorialize.
Speaker 2: It's not dead.
Speaker 4: Say the pin trading is so real and they're actually
Speaker 4: like a currency.
Speaker 3: People don't know this.
Speaker 4: You miss a bus, you need to ride, give a
Speaker 4: volunteer pin, you'll get there. I'm just saying like pins
Speaker 4: are like a like prisons.
Speaker 3: Like you want the pins, do not give them away.
Speaker 4: But I think one of the things is how people
Speaker 4: decorate their rooms, because the rooms are usually pretty bland
Speaker 4: because they're going to renovate and sell them with krondos
Speaker 4: later or something. Right, So I always get pictures of
Speaker 4: friends and family and have a bunch of cards and
Speaker 4: posters that you know, like my high school cross ki
Speaker 4: team would sign this giant poster and I would bring
Speaker 4: it to the games and with all these signatures of
Speaker 4: all these kids, and it would be right above my bed.
Speaker 4: So you remember who you're racing for and why you've
Speaker 4: worked so hard and so I think one of the
Speaker 4: really heartwarming things that you don't see is the little
Speaker 4: things like that, like how athletes like take their friends
Speaker 4: and family with them into the games.
Speaker 1: Ah. I love that, Jesse. This was such incredible perspective.
Speaker 1: We can't wait to watch you compete again. Good luck
Speaker 1: on the training, good luck on your next season, and
Speaker 1: thanks so much for spending some time with us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed that conversation with Jesse Diggins. Tomorrow
Speaker 1: will be revisiting another favorite convo from twenty twenty four,
Speaker 1: this one with former pro cyclist, activist, author, and filmmaker
Speaker 1: Catherine Bertein. See You then, Good Game with Sarah Spain
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