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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where we're writing

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Speaker 1: out twenty twenty five a bunch of times to train

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Speaker 1: our brains. It's always embarrassing to still be writing the

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Speaker 1: wrong date come March, so we're prevenent advance. It's Monday,

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Speaker 1: December thirtieth, and this week we'll be running back some

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Speaker 1: of our favorite interviews from twenty twenty four. No news,

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Speaker 1: no special segments, no plays of the day, no rate

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Speaker 1: and review, just good old fashioned conversations. Up first, my

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Speaker 1: conversation from August with American cross country skiing star Jesse Diggins.

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Speaker 1: I caught up with Jesse during the Summer Olympics to

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Speaker 1: get her thoughts on the pressure of competing on the

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Speaker 1: biggest stage in sports.

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Speaker 2: Now. These days, it's.

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Speaker 1: The height of Jesse's competitive season. The cross Country World

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Speaker 1: Cup is in full swing, and as of this recording,

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Speaker 1: our girl is currently leading the overall World Cup standings.

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Speaker 1: By the time y'all hear this, Jesse will be in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the grueling Tour to Ski, which features

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Speaker 1: seven stages in two cities during a nine day window.

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Speaker 1: We'll link to the full Tour to Ski schedule in

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Speaker 1: the show notes, so you can tune in and watch

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Speaker 1: Jesse dor Thing make sure to wear some glitter and

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Speaker 1: solidarity that conversation than coming up right after this.

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Speaker 2: Stick around joining us.

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Speaker 1: Now a three time Olympic medalist, including winning the first

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Speaker 1: ever gold medal for the US and cross country skiing,

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Speaker 1: she's coming off the best ever seasoned by an American

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Speaker 1: in the sport, highlighted by her overall World Cup title win.

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Speaker 2: She's the author of Brave Enough.

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Speaker 1: She's met with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to advocate for

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Speaker 1: climate policy, and she's an ambassador for the Emily Program,

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Speaker 1: an organization that provides specialized treatment for eating disorders. Fun fact,

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Speaker 1: she wears glitter every time she races. It's Jesse Diggins,

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Speaker 1: what's up?

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Speaker 3: Jesse, Hey, Sarah, thank you for having me, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You for coming on. This was such a good idea.

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Speaker 1: This was actually producer Alex's idea, our Olympic Expert, because

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Speaker 1: we thought it would be really good to have an

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Speaker 1: Olympic athlete on who can talk about the Olympic experience

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Speaker 1: well at a safe distance from it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So interviewing the athletes when they're about to leave or

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Speaker 1: when they're about to compete means they're in this very

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Speaker 1: specific and particular mindset, and we wanted some perspective that's

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Speaker 1: not clouded by training or nerves, or expectations or all

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Speaker 1: of the stuff that comes with trying to just get

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Speaker 1: through one of the biggest moments.

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Speaker 2: Of your life.

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Speaker 1: So you're in your off season technically, so we're getting

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Speaker 1: you at a good time to talk about the Olympics.

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Speaker 1: And I want to start with the basics, Like, what

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Speaker 1: do you think the number one thing is that fans

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Speaker 1: at home don't understand about the Olympics.

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Speaker 4: Oh gosh, I think this will be dependent on your sport.

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Speaker 4: But for most of us, you wait for four years

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Speaker 4: for the world to watch what you're doing. But you

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Speaker 3: You haven't been.

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Speaker 4: Frozen in time from one Olympics to the next. So

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Speaker 4: you're still training, you're still competing all winter long, and

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Speaker 4: once every four years your country just goes ballistic and

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Speaker 3: Is heaped on you.

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Speaker 4: And so like we raised, I raised thirty something times

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Speaker 4: every single season on the World Cup circuit. We have

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Speaker 4: World Championships, but in the US it's like the Olympics

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Speaker 3: And so it is I mean, it's not an exaggeration

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Speaker 4: That it's life changing pressure that you're carrying on your

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Speaker 4: that's just something that it's hard to describe that kind

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Speaker 3: So for me, I was there to gain experience.

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Speaker 4: Now, if you're a young gymnast, you might be eighteen,

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Speaker 4: I think it's also really interesting sport to sport.

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Speaker 1: I think it changes, well, it's not just performing in

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Speaker 2: How hard is that to do at the.

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Speaker 1: Olympics, Like, how different is it competing there versus every

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Speaker 4: I think in some ways it's no different, Right, It's

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Speaker 4: just another race. You do your same warm up, you

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Speaker 4: then you find comfort in that routine, Right, mean, this

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Speaker 4: like I've always done it this way. Nothing is different,

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Speaker 4: just because I'm wearing a bib that has the Olympic

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Speaker 3: And I think a lot.

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Speaker 4: Of it is simply focusing on what you can control

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Speaker 4: Like if I tell you do not think about an apple,

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Speaker 3: Think about it.

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Speaker 4: And what if I say, go ahead, think about an apple,

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Speaker 4: The model to yes, there's a lot of lights, Yes

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Speaker 2: I love that. I love that. It's just like it's

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Speaker 1: They'll always say, if you get a thought, don't try

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Speaker 2: Just let it float by like a cloud. You see it,

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Speaker 1: I love that's such a good perspective for literally anything,

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Speaker 2: Like, I love that.

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Speaker 1: What is it like watching the Olympics versus competing in them?

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Speaker 1: Because I lose my mind, I cry, I tense up

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Speaker 1: And that's just watching like you're actually able to empathize

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Speaker 2: So how does it feel watching?

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Speaker 4: I mean I was in tears watching both gymnastics teams,

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Speaker 3: Of the classes. But you're under pressure. Our last guy

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Speaker 1: Stephen Kornaky look alike. He's getting a lot of comparisons

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I love it, But like, thinking about that,

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Speaker 3: And I was telling you, like, man like Steven had

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Speaker 4: Wait and no, like I've been brought here to do

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Speaker 3: And my team is counting on me.

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Speaker 4: My whole country's watching, the whole world is watching, and

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Speaker 4: That kind of pressure must be crushing. But then when

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Speaker 1: It's do I do all the things I've prepared correctly,

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Speaker 1: great episode of Welcome to Wrexham. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because that it just it made me think a lot,

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Speaker 4: Right, So we have six different events, everything from a

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Speaker 3: Oh, I mean, I have to say winning the gold medal.

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Speaker 1: Ah. I love that, Jesse. This was such incredible perspective.

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Speaker 1: We can't wait to watch you compete again. Good luck

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thanks for having me.

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