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Speaker 1: Why do so many US women beautiful young ladies go

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Speaker 1: keep happening? We all know about Natalie Holloway. You may

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Speaker 1: Alison Mackenzie, a brunette beauty, goes missing off Belize and

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Speaker 1: I've noticed that nobody's covering it. Alison Mackenzie, and my

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace is that Natalie Holloway all

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Speaker 1: over again. I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and series Sex one eleven the Triumph Channel. Not only

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Speaker 1: do they go missing, it gets buried. We never hear

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Speaker 1: our friends at News five. This is Angia Polanco. An

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Speaker 1: immediate search for Mackenzie and Rendezvouki didn't turn up anything.

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Speaker 1: The authorities were called in that same morning. The police

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Speaker 1: Since Saturday, we're deployed at one unit. I bought on

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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 1: Levi Page, Levi, I don't get it. She disappears. I

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Speaker 1: At this time, there's not much to go on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: right there to doctor Bethany Marshall, why is it always

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Speaker 1: Just another crazy woman, right? I don't like it, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Did she seem sad? Did she see maybe overly excited?

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Speaker 1: I knew you would not be able to say yes,

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Speaker 1: no okay, But I don't all that against you. You know.

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Speaker 1: Did you ever argue in front of an appellate court

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Speaker 1: or of any type? Darryl No, okay, because if you

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Speaker 1: had been responsible in the DA's office for legal research

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Speaker 1: and writing appeals, you would have gone to the Georgia

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Speaker 1: Supremes or the Georgia Court of Appeals. And they actually

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Speaker 1: have on your elect turn red, green and yellow lights

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00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: and to tell you if you go beyond the red

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Speaker 1: you've got, they're gonna come and make you sit down.

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Speaker 1: A belle if is standing there to make you sit down.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not holding the lack of a yes no

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Speaker 1: answer against you. My point is, how do you sleep

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Speaker 1: on the ground on a rock. I've camped out many

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Speaker 1: many times. How do you sleep through the night? This

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Speaker 1: guy is saying. I'm not saying he is guilty of murder,

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Speaker 1: but I am saying, how do you let your girlfriend

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Speaker 1: you know she's out walking on the beach at I

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Speaker 1: think you said ten o'clock at night and you wake

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Speaker 1: up at six? How do you sleep through the night?

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Speaker 1: First of all, in a tent on top of a rock,

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Speaker 1: because that's where I always end up, camping on the

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Speaker 1: top of a rock. That's where I'm sleeping, and you

447
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: don't notice that the love of your life is gone.

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Speaker 1: I got a problem with that jump in Bethany Okay,

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00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: if you look at the picture of it, so go ahead.

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Speaker 1: It's less than an acre all at seven or eight

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Speaker 1: beautiful thatched huts, and it looks like they are open

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Speaker 1: to the trade winds. In other words, when you're sleeping

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Speaker 1: at night, you may have an option to roll like

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Speaker 1: canvas wall down, but some people actually just leave those

455
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: canvas side walls up so they can feel the trade winds.

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00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,560
Speaker 1: So if she was walking on the beach, not only

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Speaker 1: would the boyfriend have known that she was missing, but

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Speaker 1: she's going to walk within a few heats of all

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Speaker 1: of these other thatched huts where people could see her.

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Speaker 1: So there are so many possible eyewitnesses to what happened

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Speaker 1: that it's inexplicatable to me that there are so many

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Speaker 1: different stories. It would be like if somebody, you know,

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Speaker 1: set up five cots in your backyard and then somebody

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Speaker 1: got up at two in the morning and started walking

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Speaker 1: around the perimeter of the yard. Well, the other people

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Speaker 1: on the cots are going to feel somebody's presence. At

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Speaker 1: least somebody there knows what happened. Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: I believe Daryl Cohen is about to call Bethany out

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Speaker 1: for not camping out. But remember when you point the finger,

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Speaker 1: there's three pointing back at you. Not likes to stay

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Speaker 1: in a luxury hotel. But hold on, I go, hey,

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Speaker 1: you were merely going to what I was merely going

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Speaker 1: to point out that Beth and he has obviously not

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00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: seen the old cowboy in Indian movies where someone would

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Speaker 1: sneak into the village and do whatever backardly deed and

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Speaker 1: then sneak out. Okay, we are hearing that. Sharie Mackenzie

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Speaker 1: stated on Facebook that Rendezvous Island where the couple stayed

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Speaker 1: at night. It's approximately two acres with as I think

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00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 1: Joe Scott or someone said, ten palm trees. The tour

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Speaker 1: of the couple took of inaccessible parts. So Belize's reef

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00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: began at Kaikulker ended at the Guarija, staying in the

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Speaker 1: inner reef where the water is calm. Okay, good point, Jackie,

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Speaker 1: thank you for showing that to me. So what does

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Speaker 1: that mean In the search for Alison Mackenzie. I'm still

485
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: hung up on the boyfriend claiming he sees her walking

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Speaker 1: out on the beach on the water. She's afraid of

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Speaker 1: beach water. She won't get in the ocean at ten o'clock.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't notice she's not in her tent till six

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Speaker 1: a m. Right, that's eight hours of not noticing she's missing.

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Speaker 1: This is not the first time an America young American

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Speaker 1: girl has gone missing. Let's take a listen to another

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Speaker 1: a cut from an another missing American brand new developments

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Speaker 1: this morning in the case of thirty five year old

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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, the American tourist who vanished in Aruba more

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Speaker 1: than a month ago, the prime suspect in her disappearance

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Speaker 1: and her travel companion, Gary Giordano, of Maryland, remains jailed

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Speaker 1: as his attorney continues to fight for his release. Fifty

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Speaker 1: year old Giordano says, it all began as a snorkeling

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Speaker 1: trip in Aruba with his thirty five year old traveling companion,

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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, but it ended with her disappearance and his arrest.

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00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 1: I feel in my heart that something happened that at

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Speaker 1: this person's hand. Gardner's boyfriend fears the worst. Stateside, the

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Speaker 1: FBI is also involved. Just over two weeks ago, federal

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Speaker 1: agents scoured Giordano's Maryland home at the request of the

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Speaker 1: Aruban government. The pair headed to Aruba after meeting online,

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Speaker 1: but after Gardner's disappearance, Giordano reportedly stood to gain one

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Speaker 1: point five million dollars in insurance money through a policy

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Speaker 1: he specifically for their five day trip. He apparently tried

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Speaker 1: to cash it in just two days after she went missing.

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00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: Just so you know, the boyfriend Geordano has never been

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Speaker 1: convicted and the disappearance of Robin Gardner and maintains his innocence.

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00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: She goes to Aruba and goes missing. Now, the big

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Speaker 1: story was that she, like Alison Mackenzie, went into the water.

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Speaker 1: I just was never seen again. But it was immediately

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Speaker 1: pointed out that she had just had her hair done

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00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: and she liked doctor Bethany did not like to ruugh it.

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00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: I believe she had just had a perm Doctor Bethany

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Speaker 1: and would not go in the water because it would

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Speaker 1: ruin her hair. I don't know exactly what happens when

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00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: you have a perm when you get in the water,

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00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 1: but I know this, it's bad. Whatever happens. Well, let

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Speaker 1: me tell you the one thing that stands out about

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Speaker 1: the story is that he took an insurance policy out

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Speaker 1: on her right before they went on the vacation. And

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00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: you know, we always talk about following the money trail.

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 1: What were her financial arrangements in her life? This woman

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00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: who went went missing. Did her boyfriend take out an

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Speaker 1: insurance policy on her? How were they going to finance

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00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: that vacation home they were going to buy? Had they

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00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: put all of their money into one bank account together?

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Speaker 1: Would he power you're talking about McKenzie. Correct, Yeah, Alison McKenzie,

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00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: you're right, following the money trail. But Jackie, let's hear

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00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: about another young woman, an American that goes missing in

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Speaker 1: the Caribbean. In two thousand and five, the eighteen year

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00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: old from Birmingham, Alabama, vanished from a high school graduation

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Speaker 1: trip to Aruba. Natalie, in a sense, became America's child

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00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: and Aruba became the center of this international mystery. She

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00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: was last seen leaving a popular bar with then seventeen

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00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: year old you're on thunderslot Yorn Vanderslout was not arrested

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00:34:56,560 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: until ten days after Natalie went missing. And I think

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00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: the news media their involvement forced this. International news crews

542
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: descended on the tiny island nation as the mystery around

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00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: Natalie's disappearance became a major story. The enormous American media

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00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: pressure is what I think drove the Aruban government to

545
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: understand that this case was not the ordinary criminal case.

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00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,320
Speaker 1: Vanderslote was never charged. Your on Vanderslote, the prime suspect

547
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: was such a sleez it was clear that he was

548
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: not telling the truth. You were hearing from our friends

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00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,239
Speaker 1: at Fox News that was Jonathan Sirie and earlier from

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00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: CBS Elaine Quijano. The reality is that all of these

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00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: women allegedly or in or in or near the water

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00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: and they just vanish. These are just three. This is

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00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: the tip of the iceberg regarding Americans that go missing

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00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: while they are on vacation, specifically in the Caribbean. The

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00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 1: reality is Natalie Holloway's body and Robin Gardner's body, Alsa

556
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: McKenzie's body have never been found. We don't know what

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00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 1: happened to them. To Crime online dot Com investigative reporter

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00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: Levi Page, what is the latest in the search for

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00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: these women. Of course, there's no search going on right now.

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00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 1: Their bodies haven't been found. In fact, a lot of

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00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,480
Speaker 1: people have forgotten about the cases. So Natalie Holloway, Nancy,

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00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: she was at a bar, Carlos and Charlie's and she

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00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: left with your on Vanderslot. He was the last person

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00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: to see her alive on the beach at midnight, and

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00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 1: he told several stories. He said that he left her

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Speaker 1: there on the beach and he went back home. He

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00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: then said that she started convulsing and then he dumped

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Speaker 1: her body in the ocean. Then he said that he

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Speaker 1: sold her into sex slavery, and then he tried to

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Speaker 1: extort her mother, Beth Holloway, saying I'll tell you where

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Speaker 1: her body is if you give me money. And when

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Speaker 1: he is finished serving his prison sentence in Peru, he's

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00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: going to be extradited to Alabama to face trial on

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00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: that case. So that case has never been solved. And

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00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: with Robin Gardner, she was allegedly snorkeling, according to Gary Giordano,

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00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 1: and the current took her away. But people found him

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Speaker 1: suspicious because he had scratches on it. He took out

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00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: a life insurance policy before they went to Aruba, and

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Speaker 1: there was a civil suit that her family filed against him,

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Speaker 1: and he was found guilty in a wrongful debt suit.

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00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: But he's not never been a read, never jail time,

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00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: maintains his innocence and suspicions do not a murder conviction

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Speaker 1: make bread. What is the big difference, out to Bruce Johnson,

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00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 1: owner of ISP Investigations, Bruce, the big difference in American

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Speaker 1: police investigations as opposed to the investigations on the Islands, Well,

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00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 1: we always do a complete and thorough investigation. We start

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00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: from you know, obviously, we create a timeline first and

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00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: we work backwards. So in the case we're speaking of,

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00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 1: the timeline is there, the location is there? Don't you

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Speaker 1: have a limited amount of people. I don't know about

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Speaker 1: the timeline because but but I agree with you as

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Speaker 1: to how we typically move forward in the States. But

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Speaker 1: did Joseph Scott Morgan The timeline is muddy and all

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Speaker 1: of these I think Natalie Holloway was slipped to rufy

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Speaker 1: ghb gamma hi joxybuty rate, the date rate drug in

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00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: her drink at Carlos and Charlie's bar. As Levi pointed out,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what time she was actually killed. Regarding

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Speaker 1: Robin Gardner, we don't have an accurate timeline in the

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00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 1: case we're talking about right now, Alison McKenzie, Joe Scott,

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Speaker 1: We've got three different stories and three different timelines. Yeah,

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00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: and many times in other countries what you will find

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Speaker 1: and I found even looking all the way back to

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Speaker 1: Oscar Pastorius, with the way that case was handled. In

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Speaker 1: these particular instances. Many times in our country, the media

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00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: will hold law enforcement, they'll hold the feet to the fire,

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00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: particularly if the case catches the attention to the media.

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00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: In these other countries, that doesn't happen. You know, the

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Speaker 1: law enforcement authorities there will say, well, we're working on it,

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00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: and the media just kind of accepts it and they

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00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: go on about their business. So when you come down

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Speaker 1: to things like timelines, which is our bread and butter,

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00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: that's what we work off of with these cases. If

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Speaker 1: you cannot establish that from Jump Street, from that central

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Speaker 1: point of when this event happened, you take all of

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00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: this information from these individuals, where these principles that are

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Speaker 1: involved in it and kind of run it down this line,

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Speaker 1: then you've got a real problem. From Jump Street. Your

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Speaker 1: pool is tainted at that point and you cannot go

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Speaker 1: back and undering the bell. Unfortunately, guys, if you have information,

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Speaker 1: or you think you have information, go to crime Stoppers,

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Speaker 1: Belieze dot org. Crime Stoppers Belize dot Org. We wait

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Speaker 1: as justice unfolds, Nancy Grace crime stories, signing off goodbye friend,