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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
Speaker 2: at you Let's Stadium, and we're getting back to normal
Speaker 2: and we're also getting ready for training camp. This is
Speaker 2: this week. Guys are showing up. We saw some rookies
Speaker 2: showing up today. Uh so this is it. Yes, and
Speaker 2: it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me, it's Mike, it's Matt
Speaker 2: in the booth and we're talking Patriots again.
Speaker 1: The boys are back.
Speaker 2: See you guys on your holidays, So they say in
Speaker 2: Europe you were on holiday.
Speaker 1: Evident and I held it down before we left. Don't
Speaker 1: you worry? That was in good shape. I heard about that.
Speaker 1: Ratings reflected it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so yeah, your shows were, how you guys doing?
Speaker 1: What did you do during your go ahead. I had
Speaker 1: a staycation. I didn't you know. I did a couple
Speaker 1: of things around here. Uh, went on the Spirit of Boston.
Speaker 1: That was fun. Some of the tool ships okay, but
Speaker 1: that was that was a fun night. And went down
Speaker 1: to Plymouth. A friend of mine as a beach house
Speaker 1: down there. Spent the day down and that was good time.
Speaker 1: But nothing.
Speaker 2: Did you see the baby?
Speaker 1: I didn't see anything.
Speaker 2: I didn't see any science call right, I got it.
Speaker 1: I didn't see the bait. You gotta see the baby?
Speaker 2: The baby?
Speaker 1: What is so great about the bit?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: That was about it. I did a couple of radio hits,
Speaker 1: as as you like to say, on the sad, sad
Speaker 1: holiday fill in host time.
Speaker 2: Nothing sadder than the holiday fill in host.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nothing more necessary for me though, the sad holiday filling.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, Evan, what about you?
Speaker 6: Spent a week on the vineyard, which was really nice.
Speaker 1: Whereabouts on the vineyard.
Speaker 6: Our house we got an airbnb, not like a big house,
Speaker 6: but we were in Oak Bluffs this year.
Speaker 4: But we you know, we pop around.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's your favorite?
Speaker 1: You know, I I haven't.
Speaker 2: Been to the vineyards since I was in high school,
Speaker 2: so I have no idea, what's going on there?
Speaker 7: What's your best restaurant that you.
Speaker 2: Go to home?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 6: So, Actually, we tried a new restaurant this year that
Speaker 6: that quickly arose up the list.
Speaker 4: I'll give them a shout out.
Speaker 6: Pawnee House and Oak Bluffs and they have great food there,
Speaker 6: great like kind of.
Speaker 4: Like Latin American flavor.
Speaker 6: I would say I had a rice and beans bowl
Speaker 6: that was fantastic, But I would say honey House is
Speaker 6: probably right at the top of our list now. It's
Speaker 6: one of our new favorites. We went twice. Actually, we
Speaker 6: liked it so much.
Speaker 7: Does a rice and bean bowls sound good to you?
Speaker 1: I need a little steak in there. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, it had.
Speaker 6: Had sausage actually okay, and it was really really good.
Speaker 1: And I don't prove. I don't know if that would
Speaker 1: surprise you, but I have a every once in a while.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't. It's got to have meat it I don't need. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would definitely have to have either steak or chicken. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't mind a rice bowl.
Speaker 4: Yeah. There.
Speaker 6: We also had a place called the Covington. It was
Speaker 6: an Eggertown right on the main street and Eggertown and
Speaker 6: different another new place that we tried. But like if
Speaker 6: you want, like the o G places like Nancy's Lookout Tavern,
Speaker 6: those places are all really good too, and those will
Speaker 6: have more you know, Pol's Burgers and things like that,
Speaker 6: you know, but like that, the new places were good
Speaker 6: this year. I feel like the it's becoming a little
Speaker 6: bit more of a vacation destination versus like, oh I
Speaker 6: have a buddy who has a house there, you know,
Speaker 6: or something like that. And so the restaurants were seeing
Speaker 6: over the years like they're getting nicer and nicer, like
Speaker 6: dinner style restaurants that people go on on vacation.
Speaker 2: So it was pretty good, Coop, all right, Duce and
Speaker 2: I were here with Alex.
Speaker 1: So what was what was the theme of the week.
Speaker 2: Oh, it was a lot of World Cup and everything else,
Speaker 2: everything but football.
Speaker 1: So it was funny. Like I ended up golfing. That
Speaker 1: was the last thing I did on my vacation. I
Speaker 1: golfed on Sunday. So I watched all those matches and
Speaker 1: I did watch a I mean I don't know, probably
Speaker 1: more than a dozen, I would say, of those matches,
Speaker 1: and I didn't see one second of the final. No wow.
Speaker 7: I watched and I watched it.
Speaker 3: I watched most of the final, but yeah, it was
Speaker 3: I mean, I just it's one of those things we
Speaker 3: talked about. Was Spain dominated the whole time, and I
Speaker 3: was like, man, if this gets the penalty case, they've
Speaker 3: got a chance.
Speaker 7: Well this is what Argentina's been doing.
Speaker 2: But Spain is just a great defense, and so they
Speaker 2: couldn't get away with it.
Speaker 6: They they had a few, they had one goal allowed,
Speaker 6: one goal the entire tournament. Yeah, not just in one
Speaker 6: goal the entire tournament. Belgium scored against them, the only
Speaker 6: goal they allowed the entire tournament.
Speaker 1: Mike was telling me that Argentina didn't even have a
Speaker 1: shot on goal till late the nineties. Oh, I thought
Speaker 1: they didn't even have one at home. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if that was now, it was late.
Speaker 2: But anyway, the World Cup has gone. It was a
Speaker 2: good World Cup. I'll give fee for their props. But
Speaker 2: we're on to football here, just so you know. We're
Speaker 2: on our regular schedule this week, twelve to two, Tuesday
Speaker 2: and Thursday, Catch twenty two on Wednesday twelve to two,
Speaker 2: but we'll also be live on Saturday for the practice,
Speaker 2: So starting at about nine to forty five. On Saturday,
Speaker 2: we'll be live through practice until they tell us we
Speaker 2: have to turn our cameras off. So looking forward to
Speaker 2: that on Saturday to kick off practice, and then we'll
Speaker 2: be back on the thirtieth for the first day of
Speaker 2: pads Thursday, I believe thuresday, so well again, we'll be
Speaker 2: live on that Thursday, and then joint practices down the road.
Speaker 2: But much more to come there. But so Tuesday Thursday
Speaker 2: this week and Saturday bonus, and we.
Speaker 1: Will maintain our Tuesday Thursday schedule during camp. Most of
Speaker 1: those games, most of those shows will be from one
Speaker 1: to three. We will have a slight time change this week,
Speaker 1: as Fred said, is normal. Next week when there's a
Speaker 1: day of practice that we have a show, that show
Speaker 1: will be pushed back an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because practices are in the morning. Give these guys
Speaker 2: time to watch practice, do the post practice stuff, and
Speaker 2: then you know, we'll go on at one o'clock and
Speaker 2: go right into what we saw.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, and we'll have a quick camp cast videost
Speaker 3: alway good way, So you want a five minute breakdown
Speaker 3: of what we saw, we'll bang those out too. So
Speaker 3: now it's hard to believe it's back already. I mean,
Speaker 3: it's happens quick. Excited to see this new team Forest
Speaker 3: and Foxboro. Of course, came out on Friday.
Speaker 2: We came on a Friday. Got about eighty thousand people
Speaker 2: have watched it so far. Everyone loves it, of course,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure we'll pick up more. Another episode will
Speaker 2: be coming out before the season. Yeah, so we're we're
Speaker 2: doing it. And what we hope to do this season
Speaker 2: with Forge that's going to be different from last season
Speaker 2: is we'll have some sprinkled out throughout the season, so
Speaker 2: you're gonna get in season Forged as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was talking to Have though, I just my favorite
Speaker 3: part of all that is just anytime you get to
Speaker 3: hear Rabel talk to the team.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was my same observation.
Speaker 3: From when Bill did the NFL Film's Football Life and
Speaker 3: in the two thousand and nine season. Any chance I
Speaker 3: get to hear a coach talking to their team and
Speaker 3: how they're trying to motivate them, what they're highlighting is
Speaker 3: being important.
Speaker 1: That's that's my favorite part.
Speaker 3: And just you know, as Ev was saying, it's just
Speaker 3: you can see why Rabel commands a room the way
Speaker 3: he does and why guys want to play for him.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just sc He seems to know the
Speaker 3: feel of the team. And it just comes back to me,
Speaker 3: how is this season going to be special? Last year
Speaker 3: which just so special? There were so many little things
Speaker 3: Drake Drake May May that thing happened, and you know,
Speaker 3: just all the good vibes that seemed to continue to build.
Speaker 3: Really felt like it kind of peaked for me around
Speaker 3: that Giants game. You know, when it was here, the
Speaker 3: atmosphere was electric. But how are they going to recapture
Speaker 3: some of that magic this year?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And how do you is it seems so organic to
Speaker 3: me last year, things like the Warriors and all that
Speaker 3: stuff that happened. It never felt forced like oh we
Speaker 3: need a team motto. You know, it's these things kind
Speaker 3: of just happened, right, So can they do it again?
Speaker 3: Can they find that kind of special vibe?
Speaker 1: Because I do think Digs like the organic stuff to
Speaker 1: me was the stuff that Digs sort of started at
Speaker 1: this time we always last year and kind yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I think that you know, the way he sort
Speaker 1: of took ownership of that wide receiver room and then
Speaker 1: you know, as you got to you know, like in Buffalo.
Speaker 1: You could see it on the field, manifested on the field,
Speaker 1: the way he got the team ready to go, and
Speaker 1: I think that was really organic. I'm not as much
Speaker 1: of a sucker for the other stuff as you are,
Speaker 1: you know, like the the road thing, and you know,
Speaker 1: like to me, like, they played really well. But I
Speaker 1: think that's going to be difficult to duplicate because I
Speaker 1: think Diggs was a big part of that and he's
Speaker 1: you know, and he's not there. Now. I'm not questioning
Speaker 1: why Diggs isn't here. I mean, I think we kind
Speaker 1: of all have an idea of why that is. I
Speaker 1: think they upgraded, to be honest with you, in terms
Speaker 1: of talent. But it will be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: they replace that off the field.
Speaker 6: That's the biggest like non football thing, you know, Like
Speaker 6: how do they kind of go about creating that energy
Speaker 6: again that they had last year. And nothing'll happen, It's
Speaker 6: not going to be exactly like last year. But at
Speaker 6: the same time, that was such a big part of
Speaker 6: why they kind of overachieved, was because they had this
Speaker 6: sort of galvanizing feeling to them. It's one of the
Speaker 6: best locker rooms I've ever been in, Like just the
Speaker 6: vibe every day when we got to go in there,
Speaker 6: you know, can you recreate that?
Speaker 4: Or you know, are they just better?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: I think that that's part of it too, is that
Speaker 6: they might just be more talented this year than they
Speaker 6: were last year, and that might help it out as well.
Speaker 4: But how does Vrabel?
Speaker 6: What are the vrabelisms that he's able to come up with?
Speaker 2: One that I got one that struck me from at
Speaker 2: least that first episode of Forge is journey. So he
Speaker 2: stressed that each guy, you are all gonna have your
Speaker 2: own journey that you're in charge of. Uh So, I
Speaker 2: think that was kind of a theme that I had.
Speaker 2: But then if everybody has their own journey, the team
Speaker 2: also has a journey, So what will be this season's journey?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I agree with Paul's bagger point though,
Speaker 3: is that it's all fueled by winning and success, and
Speaker 3: you know it's and that then its just it started
Speaker 3: the snowball, you know, And I think that's you know,
Speaker 3: not saying these are the little fun slogans are why
Speaker 3: you're winning games, But that's the byproduct of it, and
Speaker 3: then it all feeds into it and you get that
Speaker 3: vibe that you felt like in that Giants game where
Speaker 3: you're like, this team is just right and high right now,
Speaker 3: you know, and then they fought some injuries and things
Speaker 3: were tough. But you know, I just I that that
Speaker 3: to me is exciting. And I mean, and then just
Speaker 3: to go back to the football part of it, as
Speaker 3: Paul like, just the talent on the field, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm excited to see this week, aj Brown out there
Speaker 3: on the field, you know. And I mean, of course
Speaker 3: the first thing is, of course, where's Gonzales and where's
Speaker 3: gay backets?
Speaker 1: So those are the first two pieces that I'm looking for.
Speaker 2: And you know, you talked about who's going to emerge
Speaker 2: as a leader to kind of take the place of Diggs.
Speaker 2: I think Bayered looks like already he's vocal and will
Speaker 2: be part of that. I think Woodson also, you know,
Speaker 2: I think you might see him kind of emerge a
Speaker 2: little bit. He seems to have a confidence about him
Speaker 2: even as a second year player. That really's coming through
Speaker 2: for me anyway. On offense, not sure, not true. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously Drake may but I.
Speaker 1: Think that's the answer because you know, now you know,
Speaker 1: year three with a great year under his belt, I
Speaker 1: think you already sort of took some ownership of that
Speaker 1: last year. You guys agree, you know, like that ownership
Speaker 1: of the offense. I think he'll be that much more
Speaker 1: comfortable in year two of the system, I think. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you should see more on that's on that
Speaker 1: part of the leadership part of.
Speaker 3: It from mey, Yeah, you know, just being the conductor
Speaker 3: of the offense and you know, getting the ball out
Speaker 3: to guys. And I mean it sounds stupid because I
Speaker 3: feel like we spent so much time in the early
Speaker 3: days talking about, you know, we need to push the
Speaker 3: ball down the field like this is you know, when
Speaker 3: they were bad, like they just they had nothing down
Speaker 3: the field, right, it was just a struggle.
Speaker 1: And now I'm almost looking at it.
Speaker 3: Like can Drake be patient and just take the little
Speaker 3: underneath easy safe, you know, And they dig it into
Speaker 3: some of his stats from last year over the last
Speaker 3: couple of days, like, you know, that's.
Speaker 1: An area I think he can improve, I think.
Speaker 3: And that's a way that you can really turn the
Speaker 3: screws on a defense where you know you're just gonna
Speaker 3: dink and dunk at times, you know, And that and
Speaker 3: that I think is a weird thing to say, like,
Speaker 3: I hope he can dink and dunk a little more,
Speaker 3: but I think there is a time to dink and dunk,
Speaker 3: and you know, maybe it feeds into one of the
Speaker 3: things Evan talked a lot about this offseason, which is
Speaker 3: just tempo and you know, trying to push the pace
Speaker 3: a little bit at certain times. And you know that's
Speaker 3: that to me, will just show him continuing to develop.
Speaker 3: And you know, we said last year, I remember Paul
Speaker 3: talking about the Sea't going in and saying, you know,
Speaker 3: I think they'll win. I don't know whatever you said
Speaker 3: like nine ten games like that, but fourteen I think
Speaker 3: you were, you know, measured as I was. But you
Speaker 3: said the wild card was Drake May. And if Drake
Speaker 3: May played well, then you know double digit wins are
Speaker 3: on the table. And you know, this year is it.
Speaker 3: We saw that he has all the potential. Can he
Speaker 3: do it? Tougher slate, a little more pressure, Teams have
Speaker 3: more film on him now they're going to look at
Speaker 3: what he did last year and say this is how
Speaker 3: we got to approach this guy this year. So there's
Speaker 3: gonna be some new things. You know that he's going
Speaker 3: to get thrown out him, He's got to be.
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about it before, and Drake has
Speaker 2: talked about it, but the fact that he's got a
Speaker 2: coordinator again that he had the year before, which has
Speaker 2: never happened in all of his career from college on up,
Speaker 2: I think that's got to really benefit him. That he's
Speaker 2: going to hear the same language, the same philosophy, the
Speaker 2: same schemes, and he's going to be able to build.
Speaker 7: On what he did last year.
Speaker 2: That's the key.
Speaker 7: It's up here.
Speaker 1: You said it.
Speaker 2: He's got the physical we've seen it. He can do
Speaker 2: it all, but we've got to see what he can
Speaker 2: do in those most critical moments of the game against
Speaker 2: the best competition. That's what kind of we're still waiting for.
Speaker 3: Can I put negative deuce hat on for just the
Speaker 3: one second, like.
Speaker 1: Is anybody afraid? Is anybody afraid he's gonna regret?
Speaker 3: I'm not saying I'm afraid, but I just think it's
Speaker 3: a worthwhile conversation to say, he played out of his
Speaker 3: mind last year and it was unexpected the level he
Speaker 3: played at.
Speaker 1: Is there a chance that he was punching above his weight?
Speaker 3: And he's gonna get into more games this year against
Speaker 3: tougher defenses, and it's not going to be quite as
Speaker 3: good as well.
Speaker 6: Statistical regression is different from like eye test regressions. Thank you, Like,
Speaker 6: he's not going to complete seventy two percent of his
Speaker 6: passes again, I think we can all say that pretty comfortably.
Speaker 6: Is he going to lead the league in every category?
Speaker 4: Again? Statistically? Probably not, but he might be better?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and he will be better. The only way
Speaker 2: he's not better from the eye test is if this
Speaker 2: offensive line is a disaster, and there's no way it is.
Speaker 2: So he'll he'll be a better quarterback than he was
Speaker 2: last year. May not translate into pure numbers, but you're
Speaker 2: going to look at him and say he's he's getting
Speaker 2: better mentally.
Speaker 1: Yeah. You guys really do set me up for these things,
Speaker 1: don't you. Okay, I'm just back. I have to wait ahead,
Speaker 1: go ahead. There's no put like what Mike said, Like
Speaker 1: we can all agree that we think the world of
Speaker 1: Drake May and that we think he'll be better in
Speaker 1: the year two. But there's no Mike's scenario that he's
Speaker 1: trying to paint, you know, a little devil's advocate. Sure,
Speaker 1: that's not possible. It's it's not possible, so like it's not.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's not possible that he completed seventy two percent.
Speaker 1: We're fifty eight percent in the play. We're here to
Speaker 1: give our opinion based on my opinion is he will
Speaker 1: not aggress regress. Okay, but you said it wasn't possible.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, I said, unless the offensive line is.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's going to regress either. I think
Speaker 1: he's going to get better. I think the guy's incredibly talented,
Speaker 1: and like I said, I think all of us think
Speaker 1: the world of Evan. You have some good stuff with
Speaker 1: the numbers, though. I wanted to set you up for
Speaker 1: that because you know, I get a popsicle headache, but
Speaker 1: maybe some people might be interested in it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, we well, Deuce and I did our written previews
Speaker 6: and then the three of us did our video previews of
Speaker 6: each position, and we released the quarterback one today and
Speaker 6: I just looked into some of the numbers of you know,
Speaker 6: what were some of the things you know that defenses
Speaker 6: did against Drake May that he wasn't so good against.
Speaker 6: And Seattle kind of did it in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 6: and that's the best defense in football, so when they
Speaker 6: did it and they did it well.
Speaker 4: It didn't look good.
Speaker 6: And the two big coverages that they called against him
Speaker 6: were Cover six, which quarter quarter half and we talk
Speaker 6: about that, and cover zero you all out pressure and
Speaker 6: those were the two kinds of things that they jostled
Speaker 6: between in the Super Bowl that gave Drake May a
Speaker 6: lot of trouble.
Speaker 4: And it's a blueprint league.
Speaker 6: Their teams are going to look at that Super Bowl
Speaker 6: tape and say, how can we replicate?
Speaker 4: What can we replicate?
Speaker 2: And that's the Let's talk about that cover zero for
Speaker 2: a second, right because during the Sea and now, granted
Speaker 2: it wasn't as good a defense as Seattle, but Drake
Speaker 2: did have success when he was blitzed like he was.
Speaker 2: He had really good numbers when he was blitzed. You
Speaker 2: have to look at that offensive line and how it
Speaker 2: was playing in that Super Bowl and you have to
Speaker 2: say part of it is, I don't think he had
Speaker 2: a lot of confidence in what was in front of
Speaker 2: him at that point in the season.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think though when you talk about cover zero, though,
Speaker 6: they're sending too many people, so you're not talking about
Speaker 6: I know, you're not talking about actually getting hat on
Speaker 6: a hat at that point. I know, so you know
Speaker 6: with Seattle what they were doing. You know, they were
Speaker 6: setting the guys off the edges, and in the Patriots system,
Speaker 6: you're you're locked to one side, you're sliding to the other,
Speaker 6: and then the back has somebody the back to dual reading.
Speaker 6: If both guys come, you're hot, like there's nobody left.
Speaker 2: And then then it's up to the quarterback.
Speaker 4: And the receivers.
Speaker 6: You know, the receivers need to know that they need
Speaker 6: to side toust, they need to turn around and look
Speaker 6: for the football. So you know that that's a big
Speaker 6: part of it too. Like you know, we can look
Speaker 6: at the all twenty two from the Super Bowl and say,
Speaker 6: Pop Douglas is wide open down the field, but he's
Speaker 6: thirty yards down the field and there's a guy in
Speaker 6: Drake May's face in two seconds right, Like, that's not open.
Speaker 6: So it was not blaming Pop, but just in general,
Speaker 6: for those guys supposed to turn around and look for
Speaker 6: the ball, that have been more advantageous than running down
Speaker 6: the field thirty yards in a straight line, you know
Speaker 6: that sort of thing. So all of those things to
Speaker 6: me are more chess match related, and Seattle executes it
Speaker 6: to a level than not a lot of teams can,
Speaker 6: like they might face that in the season against Miami
Speaker 6: or the Jets, and and those teams aren't gonna do
Speaker 6: it as well. But when you get to you know,
Speaker 6: we talk about getting against these really good teams that
Speaker 6: that's what's coming next, you know, is Seattle Week one,
Speaker 6: and you know, so on and so forth, that these
Speaker 6: teams are going to have good defenses and they're gonna
Speaker 6: be able to do those types of things. So those
Speaker 6: two coverages were the only two coverages that he had
Speaker 6: a negative EPA against. Cover six and Cover zero. Everything
Speaker 6: else he was near the top of the league, off
Speaker 6: the charts against.
Speaker 4: So that's what.
Speaker 6: Everybody's gonna call, you know, like that that they're gonna
Speaker 6: get into games against the Patriots and they're gonna call
Speaker 6: all these different things and see not only Drake May
Speaker 6: but Josh McDaniel's like all off season. I hope that
Speaker 6: those two guys were coming for with answers, you know, like,
Speaker 6: how are we gonna be this?
Speaker 2: So I'll just throw this out there, snap comes and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden it's Cover zero and those guys
Speaker 2: come from both sides. How how is it communicated to
Speaker 2: guys already in their route that they have to you know,
Speaker 2: cut that route and turn like how how is how.
Speaker 7: Do you do that?
Speaker 6: So it depends on the play call, right, Like, so
Speaker 6: some play calls have a hot route where one guy
Speaker 6: is hot and that guy you know you're gonna throw
Speaker 6: to that guy Specifically, other play calls, and usually with
Speaker 6: the Patriots, they have sight adjustments, so like when you
Speaker 6: see a guy blitz over you, you're going to change
Speaker 6: your route because you know that the quarterback is hot.
Speaker 6: So those are things that just come with everybody kind
Speaker 6: of being on the same page. And sometimes also you
Speaker 6: could you know, use the running back. Like the running
Speaker 6: back can either stay in the block, but if you
Speaker 6: see cover zero coming, you could also sneak the running
Speaker 6: back out and try to you know, hit him in
Speaker 6: the flat or something like that.
Speaker 1: So it's not really up to the quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's up to the receivers and who would be about
Speaker 2: to recognize, Oh, this just happened in front of me,
Speaker 2: so I know, I mean, this is what's going to
Speaker 2: happen behind me.
Speaker 7: I need to adjust.
Speaker 6: I'd say all the above, and I think that you know,
Speaker 6: not to always compare it. But the thing that Brady
Speaker 6: had was a James White, a Julian Edelman, you know,
Speaker 6: guys like that that had that cerebralness to them that
Speaker 6: those guys were often on top of those different types
Speaker 6: of things, and that's where this group needs to get.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of young players, there's a lot of
Speaker 6: players that are inexperience in the system. You know, they
Speaker 6: don't have ten years of data to go off of
Speaker 6: like those guys did at times. So you know that
Speaker 6: those are the little things that again I don't know
Speaker 6: if every team's going to be able to execute it
Speaker 6: to the level that Seattle did, but when you get
Speaker 6: into the season, they're going to look at it and say,
Speaker 6: this is what gave him trouble, you know, in the playoffs,
Speaker 6: in the super Bowl, things like that, and this is
Speaker 6: what we're going to try to.
Speaker 3: Replicated focus on pre snap and them giving him the
Speaker 3: tools that when these things are happening, that they can
Speaker 3: be all on the same page. And I think that
Speaker 3: for a second year quarterback in this system, that that's
Speaker 3: a progression that you should look for. You know, I
Speaker 3: think last year these things were probably coming and he
Speaker 3: didn't have all the answers yet. I think he had
Speaker 3: some of the answers, but you know, this year the
Speaker 3: expectations should be that he gets them out of bad plays.
Speaker 3: I mean, I saw Bert Brew had a report kind
Speaker 3: of saying the same thing we've been talking about of
Speaker 3: what the expectations are for Drake May and your two
Speaker 3: to really master this system.
Speaker 2: And you know you want to see more with his
Speaker 2: legs the same or less with his legs.
Speaker 3: Same, I mean about the same, other than the ball
Speaker 3: should have been out you had a guy quick, you
Speaker 3: shouldn't have to tuck and run.
Speaker 1: I like the way you said that. I would say
Speaker 1: roughly the same. But I you know, if he's passing
Speaker 1: up throwers that are there to run and it ends
Speaker 1: up being the same running, like I would be sort
Speaker 1: of disappointed in that. But the bigger thing to me
Speaker 1: is he's got to protect the ball better. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: led the league in fumbles. I think he had fifteen
Speaker 1: fumbles combined. Like, that's a lot of fumbles, and that's
Speaker 1: an area Like we're talking about stats, like his stats
Speaker 1: might regress, Like I could see him completing seventy two
Speaker 1: percent of his passes. Again, I just can't see him
Speaker 1: doing it the way he did it last year, along
Speaker 1: with the ridiculously high percentage of completions on downfield throws
Speaker 1: like that, to me, is very hard to replicate. But
Speaker 1: you can be more efficient, and you can protect the
Speaker 1: ball better and do things like that, even if the
Speaker 1: offensive line doesn't come together the way we think it will,
Speaker 1: Like I, this wasn't like to me, a regression isn't
Speaker 1: solely responsible at the offensive line, Like I have a
Speaker 1: feeling Fred and I if these bad things happen, Fred
Speaker 1: and I, you're gonna have semantic arguments on postgame shows
Speaker 1: like it's all because you know it's because of the
Speaker 1: offensive line, or like now he just made a bad play,
Speaker 1: because both of those things can be true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about design runs for him? You want to
Speaker 2: see more of those the red zone goal line?
Speaker 4: Yeah, red zone short yardage?
Speaker 3: I mean one play like kind of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 3: maybe being better on some of the QB sneaks. I
Speaker 3: don't think he was, you know, great, didn't have a
Speaker 3: great feel for those last year.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. That's another spot I think you
Speaker 1: could know.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's a good sign that we
Speaker 3: can look at the MVP runner up and point out
Speaker 3: a bunch of different things that we think he can
Speaker 3: improve to maybe offset some of the situational things that
Speaker 3: kind of felt their way last year, which felt like
Speaker 3: they got a lot of breaks last year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hope he keeps scrambling, keep running.
Speaker 1: Me too. I think that's a big part of his game.
Speaker 6: And I think that that's defensively you have to account
Speaker 6: for it somehow, whether your pass rush changes, whether you're
Speaker 6: spying him, you know, whatever the case may be. I
Speaker 6: think that that gives you a big advantage if the
Speaker 6: quarterback is a threat, and it's mostly I don't think
Speaker 6: that he's he's not a designed runner in my mind,
Speaker 6: like he's not Lamar Jackson, where like you're you know,
Speaker 6: read options and things like that are going to be
Speaker 6: a big part of it. He's a scrambler. He's like
Speaker 6: a pure scramb. I'm one with you, and I don't
Speaker 6: want to take that away from him.
Speaker 1: And if you guys remember, you know before everybody took
Speaker 1: some time off, they had that huge seth Wickersham piece
Speaker 1: you know from the Broncos. Did you read it? I
Speaker 1: think you were away.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 1: It was way too long, and it was it was
Speaker 1: it was right up your ally because we're going to
Speaker 1: have these paragraph along plays that we're just going to
Speaker 1: throw them in there every time. We have no idea
Speaker 1: what any of it.
Speaker 4: Nobody works hard than Sean Payton, right.
Speaker 1: But anyway, one of the big takeaways is something that
Speaker 1: haven't just touched on about that being a huge part
Speaker 1: of Drake May's game, And obviously that was the number
Speaker 1: one thing in the scouting report was they wanted to
Speaker 1: make sure that they didn't let May hurt them with
Speaker 1: his legs. And there was I mean, in a game
Speaker 1: that only had one real scoring drive, the big play
Speaker 1: on thus scoring drive that gave him the go ahead
Speaker 1: field goal, that's the only scoring drive the Patriots had
Speaker 1: the whole game, and it was a twenty eight yard scramble.
Speaker 1: So like, you can succeed the whole day executing your
Speaker 1: game plan, let's not let Drake May hurt us with
Speaker 1: his legs. But one play he has this, as Evan
Speaker 1: likes to say, superpower, and I don't want to take
Speaker 1: that away from it. I think that's a huge game boot.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I it was over then I didn't
Speaker 1: care about that. But like they don't score, like they
Speaker 1: don't score well.
Speaker 4: Best won the game.
Speaker 1: But I mean my point is that let's put it.
Speaker 1: Let's let's say he got five yards instead of seven,
Speaker 1: they punt, the game was over. It didn't matter.
Speaker 4: I liked it.
Speaker 1: But the twenty eight yard run. They don't get the
Speaker 1: field goal without that, right, and that's the only score.
Speaker 1: Remember the touchdown came on the fumble for Johnny. I
Speaker 1: almost said Jared stidhamy is going to call him one
Speaker 1: of my pet names, but I probably shouldn't say that
Speaker 1: on the air. The kid, yep, if that fumble gave them,
Speaker 1: you know with the scoring drivers like twelve yards or
Speaker 1: something like that. Like, so the only one drive they
Speaker 1: had the whole day, Yeah, was twenty eight yard scrambled
Speaker 1: for Drake May.
Speaker 4: And flicker the mac hollins. Yeah, that was the other
Speaker 4: big play on the on the drive.
Speaker 2: On the importance of the locker room, Travis at West
Speaker 2: Virginia says, locker room, schmocker room, It's irrelevant.
Speaker 7: I don't I disagree.
Speaker 6: I normally a'm on that side of the street. I'm
Speaker 6: the mad analytics guy that doesn't really account for those
Speaker 6: types of things. Being around that team last year changed
Speaker 6: my present.
Speaker 1: I would just say I bet that anybody that thinks
Speaker 1: that way would change their opinion if they were in
Speaker 1: the Patriots' locker room in twenty twenty four and then
Speaker 1: again in twenty twenty five and didn't see the difference,
Speaker 1: because I mean it was apparent with guys like what,
Speaker 1: I can't Why can't I not think of the big
Speaker 1: defensive line from Miami. No, who's the big defensive lineman
Speaker 1: that was here for the Patriots and they gave him
Speaker 1: the contract in Belgium on the best Godshaw, you listened
Speaker 1: to him in twenty twenty four, and then listen to
Speaker 1: like Digs and these guys last year, and you tell
Speaker 1: me there's not a difference between that Keon White from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, and then listen to the way they
Speaker 1: talked in the locker room.
Speaker 2: Lash Well, I will say, though, let's just say anything.
Speaker 1: Milton Williams and celebrity family feuture. Really I always saw that.
Speaker 2: Let's just say, in twenty twenty four, Patriots win that
Speaker 2: first game in Cincinnati, and then they win three or
Speaker 2: four more after that, does all of a sudden the
Speaker 2: locker room get better?
Speaker 1: Maybe I think it gets better. No, but maybe they're
Speaker 1: not bitching about the way they're being used if they're
Speaker 1: winning right Like that was a big part of that
Speaker 1: thing is there was openly questioning the coaching.
Speaker 3: It's not enough by itself to have a locker room.
Speaker 3: Everybody cares about it, and I think.
Speaker 2: Jalen Polk and conversely, if last year they lost like
Speaker 2: the first four games, yeah, started as this is.
Speaker 1: Why I like it, so you can have your cute
Speaker 1: little like things that you know, Mike gets excited about.
Speaker 1: Sorry Mike, I do okay. But you you go to
Speaker 1: Buffalo and you win that game the way you want
Speaker 1: it and the attitude you had going into that game,
Speaker 1: like we're not afraid of anybody will play you anytime
Speaker 1: anywhere and we'll in. You lose that game and you
Speaker 1: don't get the same response the next time.
Speaker 4: The locker room.
Speaker 6: After that game in Buffalo was for a regular season game.
Speaker 4: I had never seen anything like it. Like it was
Speaker 4: just it was levitating.
Speaker 1: And you have some opportunities to that to that end
Speaker 1: early in the season. Now Seattle and the opener. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying like if you don't win it, that's it
Speaker 1: o case, but you have that opportunity in Seattle to
Speaker 1: have a similar kind of win you go to, was
Speaker 1: it Jacksonville is one of those early season ones, you know,
Speaker 1: good solid playoff team on the road. There's another one.
Speaker 1: There's three one on the Steelers Bills, There's another Buffalo game.
Speaker 1: So you have you have three opportunities on the road
Speaker 1: to beat solid playoff teams from a year ago and
Speaker 1: again established that confidence, that swagger that you did right
Speaker 1: out of the shoot with that Buffalo win, because that
Speaker 1: was kind of you know, it was a it's a
Speaker 1: sluggish start to the season last year. It didn't just
Speaker 1: happen automatically. Yeah, you know, they lost the Raiders at home.
Speaker 6: I mean, fumble turned it over five times against Pittsburgh
Speaker 6: and lost the game they should have won. But I
Speaker 6: was thinking about that Buffalo game. That was one of
Speaker 6: the most fun games I've ever covered. I mean, it
Speaker 6: was a tree there. But I was thinking about Diggs
Speaker 6: and the number I can't get out of my head
Speaker 6: is that Drake may completed eighty three percent of his
Speaker 6: passes just Defawn Diggs last year, Like that is absurd
Speaker 6: for a guy that was targeted as much as to
Speaker 6: fan Diggs was. That was one of the best performances
Speaker 6: I've seen from like a Patriot receiver and probably since
Speaker 6: like Randy Moss honestly, maybe Julian Edelman in the Super Bowl,
Speaker 6: you know, and he won MVP, like he was just
Speaker 6: on a different level, like I you know, it was unbelievable,
Speaker 6: and it was right out of the shoot in warm
Speaker 6: ups that he just came out there and he literally
Speaker 6: almost like went to the like fifty yard line on
Speaker 6: the Bill's logo and was like dancing in the middle
Speaker 6: of the field like guess.
Speaker 4: Who's back, right, And I AJ.
Speaker 6: Brown's awesome and he's maybe even better in Stefan Diggs
Speaker 6: talent wise.
Speaker 4: I just the eighty three.
Speaker 6: Percent thing, especially, I can't get out of my head,
Speaker 6: like how just insanely efficient that number is? Yep, And
Speaker 6: you know, how do you go about replicating that right
Speaker 6: football wise?
Speaker 3: That Diggs was it Drake? I mean, I know it's
Speaker 3: both of them, but like Romeo.
Speaker 4: Dobbs is not going to catch eighty three percent of
Speaker 4: the passes.
Speaker 1: And that's why, like some of the analytics stuff bothers
Speaker 1: me because there's a couple of things, and I've seen
Speaker 1: this written in a few different places, how Drake may
Speaker 1: did that last year with absolutely nothing around nothing nothing zero.
Speaker 1: I would push back on that, and that would that
Speaker 1: would be exhibit A. Would Evan just explain, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's number one. Now, I do think he has more
Speaker 1: around him this year. I think you add Brown and Dobbs,
Speaker 1: that's greater than Diggs if you ask me, Well, we'll
Speaker 1: see how it unfolds. There's no guarantees in anything, but
Speaker 1: I do think he has more to work with this
Speaker 1: year than he did last year. We'll see. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so I pushed back on that. The other thing is,
Speaker 1: I think people, because these analytics are so prevalent now
Speaker 1: and you don't watch the games, you just look at
Speaker 1: the spreadsheet at the end of the game. Diggs was
Speaker 1: like a fifty percent snap guy, right, little over fifty
Speaker 1: fifty five, And people look, well, Daves is coming off
Speaker 1: of torn ACL you had a limited as usage. But
Speaker 1: that doesn't tell the story of the eighty three percent
Speaker 1: efficiency rate he had, Right, was that number one in
Speaker 1: the league?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: How you sort it by targets or you know, minimums
Speaker 6: and stuff.
Speaker 1: It had to be for whiteouts, it had to be
Speaker 1: number one. Yeah, right, Like that's like invaluable, And I
Speaker 1: don't think that you can quantify the story that Evan
Speaker 1: told about the logo in Buffalo great, like your number
Speaker 1: one receiver just went out and said, yep, we're here,
Speaker 1: deal with it, and then went out and had that performance.
Speaker 1: And by the way, he had that kind of performance
Speaker 1: in a couple of other big spots later on. Now,
Speaker 1: I've been critical, critical down the end of his postseason,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he was quite as good in
Speaker 1: the postseason, and that's been his m O. He kind
Speaker 1: of runs out of gas a little bit. He's a
Speaker 1: little older now.
Speaker 2: Was it him running out of gas or teams just
Speaker 2: saying we're just not gonna let him beat us.
Speaker 1: Well, then you're out of gas if you're allowing the
Speaker 1: other team to do But I can't do that to
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase or Justin Jeffersons. Teams have no, they.
Speaker 7: Don't teams have you know, I think.
Speaker 1: I better not be able to do it to a J. Brown.
Speaker 2: I think in the NFL, if a team focuses on
Speaker 2: one guy, they can shut him down, whether it's an
Speaker 2: elite pass rusher or a wide receiver or running back.
Speaker 2: But the good teams make them pay for that, for
Speaker 2: that that focus.
Speaker 7: On that one.
Speaker 6: I think they're more equipped to do that this year,
Speaker 6: which is where my optimism comes in, is that it's
Speaker 6: not just Digs and then a bunch of guys. It's Brown,
Speaker 6: Dobbs and you know, Hunter Henry and whats.
Speaker 1: All of that do for the running game right right?
Speaker 6: Well, that that's a big hope I think, you know
Speaker 6: for us nerds is that you know, they saw one
Speaker 6: of the highest rates of single high safeties in the
Speaker 6: league last year during the regular season because nobody really
Speaker 6: respected their outside receivers.
Speaker 4: As much as Drake may made them.
Speaker 6: Eventually, they didn't during most of the portion of the season.
Speaker 6: So having a guy like AJ Brown now who's a
Speaker 6: true outside guy and not like a Digs who's more
Speaker 6: of an inside player, at this point, do they see
Speaker 6: a lot more too high safeties And then it's Reggie
Speaker 6: Gilliam and Remandre or Trevion Henderson and then we can
Speaker 6: run the ball at you.
Speaker 4: So they have we go.
Speaker 8: We love it.
Speaker 4: More flexibility.
Speaker 9: They're easy to defend, not anymore, baby, they have more
Speaker 9: answers in that way to pivot, you know, like if
Speaker 9: you are going to play us in a too high
Speaker 9: shell because of Drake Mays deep ball and AJ Brown
Speaker 9: on the outside.
Speaker 6: We have a full back, we have two running backs,
Speaker 6: we have six offensive linemen that we feel good about playing, and.
Speaker 2: We've got an offensive coordinator that can use these guys
Speaker 2: figure it out like yet and in the lab.
Speaker 7: I don't think anyone's going to stop now.
Speaker 1: They won't. They'll be lucky. Well it would be a fluke. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we've already a stabished. I think that's the
Speaker 1: way it could happen, and then no one's going to.
Speaker 6: Stop us is obviously, I know you're being facetious. But
Speaker 6: top five offense in football, I think is in play
Speaker 6: like I I really I think that they have that
Speaker 6: kind of arsenal around Drake now that they can kind
Speaker 6: of do whatever you need to do.
Speaker 4: And I don't know if they could do that last year.
Speaker 6: Last year there's a lot of three wide receivers, there's
Speaker 6: a lot of Drake may in the shotgun like that
Speaker 6: drop back passing. This year, I think they can do
Speaker 6: different things. They can run the ball, they can play action,
Speaker 6: they can get big and you know, put big people
Speaker 6: on the field and run it over, run over you
Speaker 6: instead of just throwing it over the top.
Speaker 2: If everything on paper comes to fruition is the one
Speaker 2: kind of maybe weak link is tight end depth.
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, it's like, if Hunter
Speaker 3: Henry gets hurt, I think it changes things a lot,
Speaker 3: and I think you're kind of scrambling a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean, I even think having Julian Hill that hurt
Speaker 3: and now you know, it just puts a spotlight for
Speaker 3: me on Hunter Henry. Everything evn't said. You've got all
Speaker 3: this ability to do all these different things. If all
Speaker 3: of a sudden you're you know, looking at Eli Eridan
Speaker 3: getting in there, or you know, Dupre or some you know,
Speaker 3: one of these undrafted guys from the last couple of years,
Speaker 3: or even Pharaoh Brown, you know, it's it's clearly a
Speaker 3: week link that they won't be able to go to.
Speaker 1: So I just I'd love to see.
Speaker 3: One of these other tight ends maybe at least show
Speaker 3: some kind of signs of progress or hope that because
Speaker 3: I just feel like right now it's it's kind of
Speaker 3: Hunter Henry or Bust at tight end and it's all
Speaker 3: on him, and he's you know, an older player's.
Speaker 6: Got to be a move coming there. You know, they
Speaker 6: hinted at it in the spring. It hasn't happened. Yet,
Speaker 6: I wonder if they're going to give these young guys
Speaker 6: at least the first couple of weeks of camp to
Speaker 6: try to win that job, and then you know, we
Speaker 6: get around the preseason starting around there joint practices. Maybe
Speaker 6: they're making calls and bringing in a veteran.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a little concerned about that, and that makes sense.
Speaker 1: They've seen teams do things like that before. But if
Speaker 1: you have a guy that you want to be a
Speaker 1: part of your team, I would think that there's some
Speaker 1: urgency to get him in and get him acclimated to
Speaker 1: your system as quickly as possible. Now, there's always a
Speaker 1: chance that you bring in someone that has some experience
Speaker 1: in your system, and maybe the learning curve isn't is great.
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Speaker 8: to add ask you who is your you know, who's
Speaker 8: the best basket player of all time? What would you
Speaker 8: What would you answer?
Speaker 1: Paul?
Speaker 2: Best web player, basketball player, basketball.
Speaker 1: Best basketball player of all time? Michael Jordan. Jordan's oh,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's really not a yes no answer. That's
Speaker 1: very subjective, but yes, that would be my I.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So then how is in Lebron the goat?
Speaker 1: Paul Michael Jordan's right, I tested, I got your hair,
Speaker 1: no player, but you didn't ask me. You didn't ask
Speaker 1: me about accomplishments like I mean, if if we're just
Speaker 1: like counting rings and counting like wins. At the end,
Speaker 1: Lebron's played longer, he has more points than Jordan's, or
Speaker 1: he's better than Jordan's no, like he just played longer.
Speaker 1: I think Jordan's better. He also retired in the middle
Speaker 1: of his career. He retired in the middle of his
Speaker 1: career baseball. Otherwise you could he would.
Speaker 8: Have won you. Yeah, well, I guess, guess just win
Speaker 8: three over four.
Speaker 7: But anyway that.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys I would take Lebron.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, see, I didn't even think Bron's Lebron.
Speaker 1: I think they'll take Magic.
Speaker 2: I'm not a Lebron hater. I know there are a
Speaker 2: lot of Lebron haters. I just I only top five.
Speaker 2: He may not be my number two though.
Speaker 1: That's Lebron I think is better than him too.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, easily anyway, second play all the time. Thank you
Speaker 4: for the call. You can be the biggest Lebron spon Lebron.
Speaker 2: Where's he gonna go?
Speaker 4: Golden State?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what I love about this, that's the
Speaker 1: trust that nobody cares.
Speaker 2: Nobody really does. But it doesn't make a big impact.
Speaker 1: It doesn't his his group is putting out there like
Speaker 1: the rich Paul the decision this time. No, he's trying.
Speaker 1: He's trying. It's the indecision, the ultimate narcissisy.
Speaker 7: And you're saying it does make a big impact where
Speaker 7: he goes.
Speaker 4: Yes, I think it does. Why because he's good?
Speaker 1: That's very simple one, the.
Speaker 4: One in the bubble.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think that Lebron's like, he's not a
Speaker 6: number one guy anymore.
Speaker 4: He's not.
Speaker 6: He's not your your your top guy on a team.
Speaker 6: But if he goes to a team that has a
Speaker 6: couple of pieces already and he's like the third option
Speaker 6: on that team, and he's willing to do that at
Speaker 6: this point for Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Threat, you know, Brown was the fourth best player.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Threat.
Speaker 6: I don't know if Philadelphia works because they already have
Speaker 6: so many mouths defeat on that team.
Speaker 4: But I think Lebron didn't he just go to Cleveland.
Speaker 1: He might be nice on the list, and I think
Speaker 1: there'd be no threat to win if he went there either.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying, but I mean, just end your career
Speaker 7: in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: On the list, you know, that's mighty nice.
Speaker 4: But that but saying he's not the second best player
Speaker 4: of all time.
Speaker 2: But I agree, like impact all, I don't think that
Speaker 2: like people are waiting with dated breath to see where
Speaker 2: he goes.
Speaker 7: I don't think it's beyond that now with him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, if you're a huge Lebron fan, then I
Speaker 1: could see you, yeah, you know, waiting on all these
Speaker 1: these reports and whatnot. But like if you're just like
Speaker 1: an NBA fan or a fan of sports, like you're
Speaker 1: not sitting around wondering chief's Lebron gonna go?
Speaker 2: And I heard like the NBA is waiting to put
Speaker 2: out the schedule, Yeah because of him? Oh yeah, what
Speaker 2: does that mean?
Speaker 1: That's true?
Speaker 2: If he ends up with Cleveland, then the networks can
Speaker 2: figure out when they want to put Cleveland games on.
Speaker 6: Because they have like their big mark He days like
Speaker 6: Christmas stay and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: All right, so they can figure they can change the schedules.
Speaker 2: Around they don't know they and then change The NFL
Speaker 2: does it every week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's hour.
Speaker 1: That's one of the problems with the NFL is they
Speaker 1: have no regard for their fan base.
Speaker 2: Just make your schedule, don't wait for him.
Speaker 1: He'll what did he just say that out loud? Make
Speaker 1: your schedule.
Speaker 7: Just make your schedule. I'm not I'm talking about the NBA.
Speaker 6: I still not over that. You guys don't think he's
Speaker 6: the second best player.
Speaker 1: I think he's a great play. He's a great one.
Speaker 1: I'm teasing you, guys. Just because I think other guys
Speaker 1: are better doesn't mean I don't think he's a great player.
Speaker 1: Anthony's in Seattle. What's up, Anthony?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 11: What's Fred? Deuce?
Speaker 1: Hey?
Speaker 11: Welcome back, Paul and Evan?
Speaker 1: Thank you?
Speaker 11: Hey. Uh so you guys did it? You could you
Speaker 11: You converted me. You know, you've you've eat somebody over
Speaker 11: the head, you know, for long enough, eventually you're gonna
Speaker 11: you're gonna leave it not And I watched the World
Speaker 11: Cup finale and uh, it's you know, it's it's one
Speaker 11: of those things where it's it's everywhere, so you know,
Speaker 11: you have ample opportunity to to uh to get in
Speaker 11: front of the TV. So I went to brunch with
Speaker 11: with the wife and I told myself, I said, Okay,
Speaker 11: I'm just gonna when I get home, I'm gonna turn
Speaker 11: it on and if it's watchable, I'll watch it. If not,
Speaker 11: I'll just you know, change the channel. And man, it
Speaker 11: was more than watchable.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 11: I I enjoyed it. It was a you know, it
Speaker 11: was it was a fun watch. I think part of
Speaker 11: it was I thought that you guys a lot.
Speaker 1: Actually.
Speaker 11: Uh, one of the things was the stakes. And it's
Speaker 11: like a person who doesn't watch football, but then they
Speaker 11: watch the Super Bowl. When you when the stakes are
Speaker 11: really high, you know how much it means to so
Speaker 11: many people. You know, it obviously enhances the watchings. But I,
Speaker 11: based on the newsletter, it seemed like you guys were
Speaker 11: kind of either rooting for Spain or you thought Spain
Speaker 11: would win. And it didn't take me long to recognize that.
Speaker 11: I don't think I can talk intelligently enough about the
Speaker 11: game to say that they were better, but I don't
Speaker 11: think it's arguable that like they are faster. It was
Speaker 11: it was. It wasn't like they couldn't run with them.
Speaker 11: And I thought Argentina's goalie had I thought you had
Speaker 11: himself a day, but I just felt like it was
Speaker 11: and by him. And then lastly, and I'll get off
Speaker 11: the phone, and I love that it's back to football.
Speaker 11: So I certainly don't want to high check the show.
Speaker 11: But Paul, I thought of you, man. I thought of
Speaker 11: you the first time that a guy died and then
Speaker 11: was magically resurrected ten seconds later. I didn't even react
Speaker 11: when the guy hit the ground. I just knew. I'm like,
Speaker 11: he's faking. These guys flop, but just in the flopping
Speaker 11: in general is exhausting, and I wonder, and here I
Speaker 11: am some non soccer guy coming in talking about the rules,
Speaker 11: but I do wonder if they have thought about explored, uh,
Speaker 11: you know, adding penalties for flopping, because it's like.
Speaker 7: Every time I get there, it's got to be egregious.
Speaker 1: They did it a little bit early in the group play.
Speaker 1: I saw that archaetimes.
Speaker 6: Give it to you, but I Did's a cultural thing,
Speaker 6: like until it starts to be frowned upon by the
Speaker 6: other players.
Speaker 1: Who was the first flopper in soccer?
Speaker 2: We know? I mean, gonna soccer historian, tell me where
Speaker 2: did that start?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's always been a part of.
Speaker 7: Our generation, but I don't know, like was it always
Speaker 7: that way?
Speaker 1: I judge it by the amount of barrel rolls they
Speaker 1: do after they go down right right right. It's a tough.
Speaker 6: One that you're not a soccer fan to watch the
Speaker 6: World Cup final was that's a tough first game because.
Speaker 1: I had heard it was kind of dull.
Speaker 6: I didn't, yeah, to appreciate one side well, but to
Speaker 6: appreciate how good Spain was in that game is to
Speaker 6: understand the defensive tactics and things like that, which is
Speaker 6: not the sexy part of the game. So it's a
Speaker 6: lot like football, like you know, defensive battle like a
Speaker 6: Super Bowl fifty three, thirteen to three game. You know,
Speaker 6: it depends on who your perspective on life on whatever.
Speaker 7: I think of the halftime it works up.
Speaker 4: I think that the.
Speaker 6: What I don't understand about halftime shows is like people
Speaker 6: that get so mad that they didn't like it. It's like,
Speaker 6: for like you don't have to watch it, and it's
Speaker 6: like fifteen minutes of your life, like, you know, I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, go to the store. I didn't realize there was
Speaker 1: a show.
Speaker 6: People just gets so like animated about how much they
Speaker 6: hated and it's because it really was fine.
Speaker 2: I thought it was uplett, you know, it was Upbeataten
Speaker 2: who wasn't from when Bieber.
Speaker 4: Was It was a bunch of people pts Bieber.
Speaker 2: I got a little whiplash watching Shakira's hips, I mean, unbelievable.
Speaker 2: She's like, what in her fifty Yeah she's.
Speaker 4: Still killed fifty. He still chills fantastic.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But when Justin Bieber came out. It just brought
Speaker 2: the whole house down. He did a good way, comes
Speaker 2: out with a guitar and he's like really slow, and
Speaker 2: everything before that was like, you know, lively and upbeat,
Speaker 2: and then he comes he does his thing, and then
Speaker 2: he comes out and Shakira comes out and brought it
Speaker 2: back up.
Speaker 7: But like, why bring him out? He brought the whole
Speaker 7: house down?
Speaker 6: Well you can. He has so many songs that are upbeat.
Speaker 6: I don't know why they picked that acoustic song. No, no,
Speaker 6: even that would have been better. It was like one
Speaker 6: of his newer acoustic songs. I don't know why he
Speaker 6: didn't do like one of his like you know, get
Speaker 6: the party started type of what.
Speaker 1: Like she will for something.
Speaker 2: She did the World Cups. Play every every game when
Speaker 2: the guys come out, she did you know, she performed that.
Speaker 6: She's she's the World Cup, right, there's a dumb person.
Speaker 3: Right, And there's always like a song that they do
Speaker 3: for the World Cup, right, like everything.
Speaker 6: Ye Like, so Waka Waka is the most popular one,
Speaker 6: I would say, yeah, And I was a little disappointed.
Speaker 4: I thought maybe she was going to do that mix
Speaker 4: it in.
Speaker 2: Because that's but I thought it was a really good show.
Speaker 4: It's a banger.
Speaker 6: I liked it, but yeah, that's a tough game to like. Like,
Speaker 6: the best player in that game was Roger, the Spain's
Speaker 6: central midfielder. You're like, that's not something that it's not
Speaker 6: like Messy or like you know, Lemna Mal up top
Speaker 6: like someone that's scoring goals.
Speaker 4: It's just the way he controlled the midfield is what I.
Speaker 3: Had n't watched much of thema Mal before that game.
Speaker 3: And he's another one like Messi where it's like the
Speaker 3: ball is just glued to his feet and he's just.
Speaker 1: Making little little moves.
Speaker 3: But I did develop some of the appreciation that you're
Speaker 3: talking about ev with just the defensive attitude that just
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know the exits nose, but how
Speaker 3: quickly they closed and there was just no space to
Speaker 3: breathe and they are constantly, you know, on top of
Speaker 3: Argentina the second gig they got the ball.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it was interesting.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of the other games I watched I
Speaker 3: appreciated guys like holland the talented guys, but this was
Speaker 3: one where it was like kind of a team win.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just like these guys are just dam that was
Speaker 1: the Yamal was the guy that I chose. Alex asked
Speaker 1: us if there was a player that we hadn't heard of,
Speaker 1: and again, I'm a soccer nubes, like, I don't know
Speaker 1: any of these guys other than you know, the messies
Speaker 1: and the babes of the world. You know, I don't
Speaker 1: know the That's a guy I had never heard of.
Speaker 1: And I watched a couple of the games and I
Speaker 1: was like, this kid hasn't so.
Speaker 4: I was glad to find out he was the MVP
Speaker 4: of Euros two years ago. He plays for Barcelona, I know.
Speaker 1: And that's and I wrote that in my things, like
Speaker 1: I know, I know everybody knows who this is except
Speaker 1: for me, But I chose that was the one guy
Speaker 1: that in Dallas. What's up, Chad, how's it going, y'all?
Speaker 12: I'm talking about bringing out something Fred send. In the
Speaker 12: beginning of the show, Fred was talking about he's not
Speaker 12: worried about anything on the offense, and I am worried
Speaker 12: about the injury bug.
Speaker 1: You can weave off that on offense part. That's not
Speaker 1: worried about anything. Everything's great, everything's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we're always it worried about injuries, But is
Speaker 2: it really worth it to even worry about it. They're
Speaker 2: gonna happen, yeah, you know, and there's nothing you can
Speaker 2: do about it, So like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: But if they if they stay healthy, I still I
Speaker 1: have other worries, Like it's not like, oh, the only
Speaker 1: thing that can stop them is if they're not playing
Speaker 1: like no, like no, especially the offensive line. How's that
Speaker 1: all come together?
Speaker 12: I believe in laws of averages a little bit. I
Speaker 12: felt like last year were on the good side of
Speaker 12: the injury. Yeah, the good side of the injury.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 12: I feel like we brought another guy in that's injury
Speaker 12: prone on the offensive line.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 12: I think he came from the Jets as well, just
Speaker 12: like Moses. Yeah, so that those make me scretly worried
Speaker 12: because I think Gibson lash Yield was actually a big
Speaker 12: miss for injury. I think our second second round running
Speaker 12: back really didn't show up at all. That can happen
Speaker 12: the end of the year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't look at what anybody did with the
Speaker 2: Jets as what they're going to do after the Jets.
Speaker 1: Second.
Speaker 2: That goes for Sam Donald or anybody.
Speaker 6: You know, Yeah, the one thing I'm I'm looking for
Speaker 6: in camp on the offensive line. And thanks Gatle about
Speaker 6: this in the position preview that we did. Lomu playing
Speaker 6: a little bit at guard in the spring, you know,
Speaker 6: perked my ears up a little bit because if Avt
Speaker 6: does get hurt, I think we all kind of assumed
Speaker 6: that Ben Brown might be the guy that had to
Speaker 6: fill in there.
Speaker 4: But do they feel like Lomu could play some left guard?
Speaker 6: And if they do, then I feel like you have
Speaker 6: a built in layer of depth for AVT injury at
Speaker 6: that point. You know, Ben Brown has to play left
Speaker 6: guard for twelve thirteen, fourteen games and playoff games and stuff.
Speaker 6: That's a little bit concerning. But if your first round
Speaker 6: pick is playing there instead and he's you know, playing
Speaker 6: at a decent level, I feel a little bit better
Speaker 6: about that. But we'll see how much he plays there
Speaker 6: in camp. I'm interested to see how much they cross
Speaker 6: train him at all four spots, honestly on the right
Speaker 6: side and the left side.
Speaker 3: I will I'll just say, how's Wilson look at center?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 3: Is that a seamless transition? Is he you know, better
Speaker 3: player there?
Speaker 1: Does he? You know? Do we see why they.
Speaker 3: Wanted to move him, you know, kind of to his
Speaker 3: natural position. Is you know, is there a considerable jump
Speaker 3: in his players in and.
Speaker 1: You you should expect improvement from Campbell and Wilson in
Speaker 1: year two. They should be better players. It's just natural.
Speaker 7: Yep.
Speaker 2: Darius and Louisville loved every fourge episode, but come on, Ford,
Speaker 2: only thirty minutes. That was a little disappointing. Well, just
Speaker 2: so you know, there's a new rule with the league
Speaker 2: that teams can't do more than thirty minutes of behind
Speaker 2: the scenes type of content per week, so we're limited
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 4: I actually liked it.
Speaker 1: It's a I didn't. I haven't seen it yet, but
Speaker 1: it's amazing. You're just going to get criticism, Like I
Speaker 1: can't tell you how I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: people reached out to me about the ones that we
Speaker 1: did last year, like too long, this is really good.
Speaker 1: It's way too long, right, that was way too long.
Speaker 1: This is way too long. Make it thirty minutes. It's like,
Speaker 1: this is too short.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it was
Speaker 6: a tight twenty eight minute it was.
Speaker 7: It was very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it flowed well.
Speaker 6: It didn't have as much like I didn't feel like
Speaker 6: I was there was any repetition or anything like that.
Speaker 6: As much as mind as longer I would.
Speaker 3: Push back a little bit, I would have one that
Speaker 3: would be my one note was like, I felt like
Speaker 3: we relived the AJ Brown arriving here three times.
Speaker 1: Like I felt like we opened it.
Speaker 3: With him arriving and like and then and when there's rumors.
Speaker 1: He might and I'm like, didn't he already come?
Speaker 3: That was my only critique of it was Yeah, the
Speaker 3: open hat, Yeah, And that was a little bit like
Speaker 3: where are we?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I threw me off too, But then I realized
Speaker 6: that that was like kind of like a montage open
Speaker 6: of what the episode was going to be. H And
Speaker 6: so then because there was one speech that veryble that
Speaker 6: was on the practice field that repeated, but it was
Speaker 6: because like the ten seconds of it was in the
Speaker 6: little opening montage and then it came back and you
Speaker 6: saw the full thing later on.
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Speaker 3: And today we're going to talk about the running backs
Speaker 3: coming back in with ramondre Stevenson, Trevier and Henderson kind
Speaker 3: of headlining this group. A little bit of transition though
Speaker 3: we had Antonio Gibson briefly last year he got hurt.
Speaker 3: Don't only seemed like, you know, they trusted in the
Speaker 3: draft with jam Miller, but otherwise not really an obvious
Speaker 3: third candidate into that role. Terrell Jennings still kind of
Speaker 3: kicking around as well. But let's start at the top
Speaker 3: with Ramondre Stevenson, who you know missed a few games
Speaker 3: with injury ev but overall he's one of the best
Speaker 3: pass protection and make sure you let Paul talk about that.
Speaker 3: Paul appreciates from Wander his pass protection. But just an
Speaker 3: all around back, you can kind of do it all
Speaker 3: and if you could just stay healthy, he's one of
Speaker 3: the best backs in this league.
Speaker 6: Yeah, down the stretch, he was one of the best
Speaker 6: backs in football last year you know, a guy that
Speaker 6: was right near the top of the league and yards
Speaker 6: per carry, yards after contact, like all those fancy metrics
Speaker 6: that I liked that he was really one of the
Speaker 6: more productive workhorse running backs down the stretch of the season.
Speaker 4: They had the little fumbling issues early on.
Speaker 6: Especially that Pittsburgh game, but then he didn't fumble the
Speaker 6: rest of the season, so maybe that's behind him as well.
Speaker 6: The pass blocking, you know, I think all of it
Speaker 6: kind of came together for him down the stretch to
Speaker 6: the point where he really was the bell cow in
Speaker 6: the playoffs and played seventy percent of the snaps in
Speaker 6: the playoffs, and Treveon Henderson was kind of an afterthought
Speaker 6: at that point. So it's not a criticism of either
Speaker 6: one of those guys, but if just looking at that
Speaker 6: duo or that tandem, you just would like to see
Speaker 6: them peak at the same time a little bit more
Speaker 6: consistently this year.
Speaker 4: I felt like last year they were kind of dueling fiddles,
Speaker 4: like it was.
Speaker 6: Travon Henderson was hot for a couple of weeks, then
Speaker 6: Ramandre was hot for a couple.
Speaker 4: Of weeks, but they never really had them both rolling at.
Speaker 6: The same time to really truly be that one two punch,
Speaker 6: But I don't know what more you could have asked
Speaker 6: for Ramandri and Stevenson down the stretch of last season,
Speaker 6: you know, last month of the regular season into the playoffs,
Speaker 6: he was excellent.
Speaker 1: And I'm going to be really interested to see how
Speaker 1: the presence of Reggie Gilliam at fullback impacts both of them.
Speaker 1: And I know there's been a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: Henderson maybe you know, maybe the lacking vision at times
Speaker 1: and how that could help him, but I think it
Speaker 1: might have an impact on Stevenson as well. So we
Speaker 1: know Josh McDaniels likes to utilize that position. Gilliam is
Speaker 1: a really good one. I think he's a pretty versatile one.
Speaker 1: He's not just sort of a meathead blocker. He can move.
Speaker 1: He's got some athleticism too his game. So I'm curious
Speaker 1: to see how McDaniels implements, you know, two back sets
Speaker 1: with a traditional fullback. Are we are we sleeping on
Speaker 1: Henderson eleven hundred yards last year total, you know, combined
Speaker 1: between rushing and receiving ten touchdowns, you know, but quiet
Speaker 1: down the stretch out and as you said, it was
Speaker 1: kind of all Ramondra Stevenson as you got down into
Speaker 1: the playoffs and into the super Bowl. We saw him
Speaker 1: this spring. The guy runs like lightning. I mean it's
Speaker 1: you can just see the acceleration. You think it will
Speaker 1: be even better here in year two as he gets
Speaker 1: a full offseason in the NFL program. But are we
Speaker 1: sleeping on Trevon Henderson a little bit as maybe a
Speaker 1: year two guy who could really elevate and be that
Speaker 1: one two punch with with Ramondra and be even better.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think maybe a little bit.
Speaker 6: Because you know, I was writing up the written version
Speaker 6: of this recap or preview, I guess I should say,
Speaker 6: and I was looking at the numbers, and led the
Speaker 6: team in touches, led the team in yards, led the
Speaker 6: team in.
Speaker 4: Touchdown Cravon Henderson's right across the board.
Speaker 6: And I don't think if you asked somebody, hey, who
Speaker 6: led to the Patriots and yards, you know, total yards.
Speaker 4: From scrimmage last year, that people would guess Henderson.
Speaker 6: They might say Diggs, they might say Remandre and he
Speaker 6: I don't think his name would come to mine, you know,
Speaker 6: top of mind. But I think a couple of things
Speaker 6: that you look at from his game is just sort
Speaker 6: of understanding the NFL game and developing in that respect.
Speaker 6: There's no doubt he can run like the wind and
Speaker 6: has great explosiveness and athleticism and can make big plays happen.
Speaker 6: But the vision between the tackles that Paul is talking about,
Speaker 6: the pacing like sometimes I feel like he's honestly going
Speaker 6: too fast.
Speaker 4: Both as a runner and a pass catcher.
Speaker 6: Pass blocking obviously is a lot mental that I think
Speaker 6: that that didn't exactly translate from college to the pros
Speaker 6: for him as a rookie. So all these elements I
Speaker 6: think are more between the ears than they are anything physical.
Speaker 6: But can he develop that part of his game. Can
Speaker 6: he see the field a little bit better? Can he
Speaker 6: understand how to set up his blocks a little bit better?
Speaker 6: Those types of things could maybe help him elevate from
Speaker 6: what was a really good rookie season that I do
Speaker 6: think is getting slept on a little bit to a
Speaker 6: breakout second season.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, to me. The thing but Henderson is consistency,
Speaker 1: like Kevin said, and if you look at the number,
Speaker 1: the numbers are terrific. They were very concentrated in a
Speaker 1: short amount of time where he just exploded, you know,
Speaker 1: that Tampa Bay game, you know, the Buffalo home loss.
Speaker 1: He had some big runs in there. I think what
Speaker 1: the coaching staff is looking for. Mikeabel talked about this
Speaker 1: a lot is more consistency to the running game, more
Speaker 1: so than just flat out production. The numbers are what
Speaker 1: they are. I think he had four touchdowns of fifty
Speaker 1: yards or more. That's great. And that home run ability,
Speaker 1: you know, no one wants to take that away from him.
Speaker 1: Hopefully that he keeps that while adding a lot of
Speaker 1: eight and you know, eight and ten yard runs with it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, like a lot of the precisions on this roster, guys,
Speaker 3: it's like, you get to the top two Henderson Stevenson,
Speaker 3: really good, exciting young guy, promising some explosion. You cover
Speaker 3: your bases. But that's where the questions start. And I
Speaker 3: mean I put Reggie Gilliam in that group too. I
Speaker 3: know he's a fullback with Brock Lampy competing at that
Speaker 3: spot too. But you know, behind those guys, ev I
Speaker 3: know you got some real estate on land Larison Islands,
Speaker 3: so I'm sure you can talk. Was that the best
Speaker 3: spray here for my boy? But Terrell Jennings, you know
Speaker 3: he's been around He's a practice squad guy. He was
Speaker 3: brought up, got hurt last year, so he's been, you know,
Speaker 3: hanging on jam Miller. They brought in from Alabama who's
Speaker 3: got some potential as well, and Miles Montgomery, the undrafted rookie.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a mishmash. I don't know how that's
Speaker 1: all going to play out. What do you think.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're putting all.
Speaker 6: These names in the hat and hopefully pulling out an
Speaker 6: RB three out of somewhere here. You know, I still
Speaker 6: think Glenn Arrison's going to have his day. You know,
Speaker 6: he's gonna have a say in all of this seat
Speaker 6: at the table. I really just like his his pass
Speaker 6: catching ability out of the backfield. I think he runs
Speaker 6: with good power, good sturdiness as well. We saw that
Speaker 6: in the preseason a little bit last year before he
Speaker 6: shut it down. But I think that he's probably, to me,
Speaker 6: the guy that has the most skill out of this
Speaker 6: group and kind of excites me the most. Jam Miller,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe a little bit more as well as
Speaker 6: you know, as the second guy in that conversation too.
Speaker 6: But I know it's not sexy, but it is going
Speaker 6: to come down to special teams like the guy that
Speaker 6: returns kickoffs the best, the guy that can play in
Speaker 6: the kicking game the most. You are really banking on
Speaker 6: Stevenson and Henderson being your your two primary backs in
Speaker 6: this backfield. Uh, and the third guy is going to
Speaker 6: have to find a game day role on special teams
Speaker 6: and in the kicking game. So last year, whether it
Speaker 6: was Terrell Jennings or Dearness Johnson or Antonio Gibson, all
Speaker 6: of those guys returned kickoffs at some point last season.
Speaker 6: So that's going to be a big part of this
Speaker 6: as well. And we probably have to wait till the
Speaker 6: preseason games to fully grasp that.
Speaker 3: That's what I was gonna say. We always bring back
Speaker 3: such a hard position, Paul to evaluate in training camp.
Speaker 3: I mean, you get into the preseason games, but you
Speaker 3: got to assume that Stevenson Henderson probably not seen a
Speaker 3: lot of carries in the preseason, so you know, they
Speaker 3: closed opportunity probably for these guys Torell Jenning, TM Miller, Larison,
Speaker 3: even Montgomery to get a lot of catch.
Speaker 1: I mean, the kick returning roll is a good point too,
Speaker 1: because clearly they want to stay away from some other
Speaker 1: guys and those those train wrecks, you know, and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about you know, wide receivers too. You know, there's
Speaker 1: there's a lot of depth there and maybe one of
Speaker 1: those guys factors into the return game there. But someone's
Speaker 1: going to emerge out of that group. And also don't
Speaker 1: dismiss the possibility. The way they use the practice squad
Speaker 1: now with all those spots, and you know, you see
Speaker 1: teams effortlessly, you know, sort of navigating that throughout the season.
Speaker 1: The third running back very well could be on the
Speaker 1: practice squad for the majority of the year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not too worried about it because they have
Speaker 6: enough names in the hat and you see these teams
Speaker 6: just find third running backs to the late draft picks
Speaker 6: ud fas all the time. So even though it might
Speaker 6: not be like an Antonio Gibson who has some proven
Speaker 6: NFL experience, I think one of these guys, like Paul said,
Speaker 6: will eventually emerge.
Speaker 1: All right, Well that's the running back position.
Speaker 3: Feel great about Henderson and Stevenson, but some interesting competition
Speaker 3: going into training camp behind them.
Speaker 1: And now great moments in.
Speaker 2: History Richard and Prague. Right, Sin, please tell Matt Lauer
Speaker 2: lookalike he's wrong. It's pronounced Edinburgh, not Edinburgh.
Speaker 1: This just won't go all time out.
Speaker 4: I haven't finished time out because I.
Speaker 2: Know he's gonna Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was my more lenions of the email, the time out,
Speaker 1: you read the whole thing as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I not an offer.
Speaker 3: Fred hasn't read any of the emails, and there have
Speaker 3: been that have said Eric's right.
Speaker 1: You've refused to read any of those. I've seen comments
Speaker 1: on Twitter that's used absolutely refused.
Speaker 2: The tour guide who told him otherwise was clearly a
Speaker 2: major bell end. I've never heard that.
Speaker 3: That must be in Scottish frog thing. I just thought
Speaker 3: it was funny, they said. One of the guys said
Speaker 3: I was right, and I didn't even know what I
Speaker 3: was saying. I was just kind of throwing like edin Burgh.
Speaker 1: That's another great moment from.
Speaker 2: All right back here on Patriots on Filtered eight five
Speaker 2: to five. PATS five hundred is the hotline podcast at
Speaker 2: Patriots dot com is the email address. Uh so we're
Speaker 2: talking everything we were talking about. Somebody challenge us about
Speaker 2: Jordan versus Lebron in terms of how many championships they
Speaker 2: won and all that stuff, or how many they went
Speaker 2: to Anthony says ten out of ten times, you take
Speaker 2: more trips to the super Bowl as opposed to going
Speaker 2: to less in being undefeated.
Speaker 7: It's not up for debate. But that's different. That's a
Speaker 7: different argument.
Speaker 1: It is a different argument, but it is up for
Speaker 1: debate because it's your opinion. Opinions are well by definition
Speaker 1: for debate.
Speaker 7: People can say that just to be demonstrative.
Speaker 6: Alway, isn't that true if you're like tied. So I
Speaker 6: look at it like medals in the Olympics, right, like
Speaker 6: Brady has seven goals and he's got well how many silvers? Right,
Speaker 6: but like that Lebron and Jordan aren't equal on golds,
Speaker 6: Like Jordan has won more titles than Lebron, So like,
Speaker 6: no matter how many times Lebron has been.
Speaker 1: That's well, that's why Fred said, that's not the same.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's out.
Speaker 4: Both of them are like four and four, but one
Speaker 4: of them has been ten times.
Speaker 2: And lost six of us more like the Montana Brady,
Speaker 2: but Brady Montana is four for four.
Speaker 1: People credit credited Montana with being four and oh as
Speaker 1: opposed to Brady's whatever, seven and three. I'll take seven
Speaker 1: and three over four and oh any day of the week.
Speaker 1: I don't think that that's an arg that that to
Speaker 1: me is not up for debate. But that's my opinion.
Speaker 1: So someone else might say, no, Montana was better because
Speaker 1: he went there and never lost, right.
Speaker 2: Like, debates what about all the playoff games he lost
Speaker 2: that Brady didn't, Because you.
Speaker 1: Know, that's my mindset. That's that's why I think it's
Speaker 1: more impressive to go to the super Bowl and lose
Speaker 1: as opposed to lose forty nine to three to the
Speaker 1: Giants on the way to the super Bowl, right like,
Speaker 1: which is what Montana did in the heart of his career.
Speaker 1: Not that it was his fault. I'm just saying, like
Speaker 1: Brady didn't have those.
Speaker 2: Nope, sure didn't. All right emails, Joe Wright said, Paul,
Speaker 2: the cute little things that Mike gets excited about are
Speaker 2: the things Tom Brady credits for turning his career around
Speaker 2: in Michigan and getting him on the field in New England.
Speaker 2: Attitude and energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Paul, Yeah, Paul, be talking about try to kick
Speaker 1: out my clanking bottles together, saying Warriors is not what
Speaker 1: got Tom Brady onto about And that's what I was
Speaker 1: teasing Mike about. So fun, No great movie I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you that they don't have fun doing it. That's
Speaker 1: absolutely fun. Just don't tell me that that's why they
Speaker 1: be done for it, Like it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not the act of the clanking of the bottles,
Speaker 2: but just the camaraderie, the energy and the excitement, the friends.
Speaker 1: You know, right, that's the The energy and camaraderie is
Speaker 1: what I'm interested in, not the bottles. Okay, do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I know what you're saying, And
Speaker 1: you can have one without the other. I just don't need. Now,
Speaker 1: some people love that stuff. They eat it up. Matter
Speaker 1: of fact, in this day and age in the culture,
Speaker 1: where's that going? That's going viral today? And that's the
Speaker 1: cute thing that people. It's just I guess I'm old
Speaker 1: and like that stuff doesn't really resonate with me the
Speaker 1: way it does probably someone who's in their mid twenties.
Speaker 4: It doesn't resonate with me either.
Speaker 2: But this goes back to when Paul played sports, Because
Speaker 2: when Paul played sports, he didn't.
Speaker 7: Like the raw ro guys.
Speaker 1: No, I did not.
Speaker 15: I did the heart you did, the guys that were
Speaker 15: always like you know, I was, I was, well, you
Speaker 15: don't have to be a heart o, but like could
Speaker 15: but I was kind of an energy, raw ra guy
Speaker 15: when I played.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you that because I didn't have the talent.
Speaker 1: That's probably why, if you want to go real armchair psychologist,
Speaker 1: I pushed back on those guys because they represented my
Speaker 1: own shortcomings.
Speaker 2: The talented guys, these guys, the clappers. I thought you,
Speaker 2: I thought you liked the talented guys, and you like talent.
Speaker 1: I try hard because I envied them. But I wasn't
Speaker 1: try hard because I didn't have the ability to not do.
Speaker 2: Wait in your life, what you didn't know, you didn't try.
Speaker 1: I tried, I tried. I tried. Believe me, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I wasn't a lack of effort away from being in
Speaker 1: the major leagues.
Speaker 2: That's not what Tommy did, Debosa told me. Ever, let's
Speaker 2: see David Wright saying, glad to see the full compliment.
Speaker 2: How about each guy picking the player you think will
Speaker 2: show the most improvement most, who who will show the
Speaker 2: most improvement? I think that's an interesting Rookies are out
Speaker 2: because they haven't improved yet. And it's hard to say
Speaker 2: Drake because I mean he said a really high bar.
Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of these guys play.
Speaker 2: If you think, if you think again, the numbers don't
Speaker 2: have to improve, but if you think mentally he's approved that,
Speaker 2: that to me, that's a big leap.
Speaker 1: It just falls back on semantics. All I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: on the easiest one.
Speaker 3: And I don't even know if I believe it, but
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say, Kyle Williams, I knew that was can
Speaker 3: say I.
Speaker 4: Don't believe that. You don't believe you did not say
Speaker 4: that with your.
Speaker 2: Is that out a hope?
Speaker 1: That's not a VA that's got a hope, that's out
Speaker 1: of hope, I think.
Speaker 3: But there aren't a lot of players I feel like
Speaker 3: you can say, like you really need something, Will Campbell,
Speaker 3: Jarre Wilson.
Speaker 1: I think Campbell is a good pick. I believe it.
Speaker 2: In fact, that was what I might have picked.
Speaker 6: I would say Craig Woodson, I think what's my pick?
Speaker 6: The playoffs were the build and then I think this season,
Speaker 6: you know, I think he's got a chance to be stole,
Speaker 6: but considered one of the top ten safeties in the league.
Speaker 3: Question for you to it, do you think do you
Speaker 3: think they're going to go back to a little bit
Speaker 3: more traditional safety roles with Buyered on the back end
Speaker 3: and what's it's gonna play more in the box this year,
Speaker 3: And I mean, I think that fits into your narrative
Speaker 3: if he's.
Speaker 1: Gonna be around the ball a lot more.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would think so, because I I don't think
Speaker 6: you want Byered in too many man to man situations
Speaker 6: at this point of his career. So if he ends
Speaker 6: up over the tight end or something like that, I
Speaker 6: don't love that matchup. So different ways to get away,
Speaker 6: you know, around that. But Byered to me, at this
Speaker 6: point of his career is a true center fielder, Like
Speaker 6: he's not. He was kind of like Devin mccordy towards
Speaker 6: the end, Like you're not going to put him in
Speaker 6: a lot of you know, man to man foot races
Speaker 6: things like that. You kind of want them just field
Speaker 6: generally over the top of the defense.
Speaker 3: Last year is such a big part of their defensive identity,
Speaker 3: especially if they went along wards, just that those guys
Speaker 3: were kind of interchangeable and they were They're blissed Hawkins
Speaker 3: off the edge, then Woodson's blitzing off the edge like
Speaker 3: they kind of you know, it was very fluid, which
Speaker 3: I would think sometimes teams try to get to like,
Speaker 3: well how great, like it's gonna be hard to get
Speaker 3: a beat on. But I think we have somebody as
Speaker 3: talented as Buyered on the back end that you're willing
Speaker 3: to miss that or lose that.
Speaker 2: Staying in the secondary, John and Louisiana writes in there's
Speaker 2: a debate going on right now and asks about how
Speaker 2: would you rank these Patriots cornerbacks ty Law, Stefan Gilmour,
Speaker 2: and Drell Reevs. My list is Gilmore Law than Revis.
Speaker 2: I think with Gilly winning Defensive Player of the Year,
Speaker 2: that has them over both corners. Then ty Law because
Speaker 2: how great he was in longer tenure than Revs. I'm
Speaker 2: a little biased because Gilmore is my favorite corner of
Speaker 2: all time, but wondering where you guys would rank them,
Speaker 2: certainly not Gilmore number one.
Speaker 6: I love Gilmore. Ty Law is the best corner I've
Speaker 6: ever seen the Patriots have.
Speaker 7: I'm younger than some in terms of patriot ty Law's
Speaker 7: number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think ty Law's number one. I think Gilmore would.
Speaker 15: Gilmore too, and there's three because of what the Yeah,
Speaker 15: But in terms of like overall cornerback number one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe you take his Jet's career.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, if you're taking full careers for all three
Speaker 1: of them. It's Revis law Gilmore.
Speaker 3: That's your impression of his season as because I mean
Speaker 3: he's only here one season, Revis and it was kind
Speaker 3: of a slow start, a little bitter.
Speaker 2: It was the end of his career.
Speaker 1: Good. He had a better start to his career than
Speaker 1: Gilmore did.
Speaker 2: He was exactly what the team needed and it showed
Speaker 2: like the defense wasn't a wary all season.
Speaker 1: You know who killed him in Week one, first game
Speaker 1: as a Patriot twenty fourteen, Former Patriot. I don't know,
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker, Okay, oh I am yeah.
Speaker 4: He also killed Gilmore.
Speaker 1: So I just I see Gilmore check that might that
Speaker 1: might be a poulism. You can get those mixed up.
Speaker 1: That might that might be a paulism. I might be
Speaker 1: thinking of Gilmore.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gilmore twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: But that front, front row seat to Gilmore. Disregard everything
Speaker 3: I on the nineteen season other than I mean he
Speaker 3: was amazing. I mean I remember that Cowboys game where
Speaker 3: he was like you couldn't get away. I thought he
Speaker 3: got beat for a touchdown at Miami in his first
Speaker 3: game Revs. And I was thinking, he kind of looks.
Speaker 4: Like you ate that good, and then then he was there.
Speaker 6: They're playing so much zone, and the Browner and Revis
Speaker 6: and all these like they're playing zone coverage and Revs
Speaker 6: is like, what are we doing? And and Gilmore is
Speaker 6: the same kind of thing. They started off playing a
Speaker 6: lot of zone and then they sort of figured it out.
Speaker 2: But I I.
Speaker 4: I think Tyler is the best out of that Patriot
Speaker 4: out of that.
Speaker 7: Group, no doubt.
Speaker 3: Yeah, physicality, I mean interceptions and clutch performance.
Speaker 4: Right like Alpha two, like just that shut down, Like
Speaker 4: I even.
Speaker 3: Remember him in the late nineties before. I just looking
Speaker 3: at that guy and being like that is an NFL
Speaker 3: cornerback right there, and.
Speaker 4: He's just looking at it. His pick six in the
Speaker 4: Super Bowl is yeah, iconic.
Speaker 2: Jeffrey in Canada, I says, Fred, you were the only
Speaker 2: one on this show who gets to talk about the
Speaker 2: Red Sox between now and Octoba.
Speaker 1: Absolutely believe. He does believe, and he's proud.
Speaker 2: Evan, this is Evan, Alex and Paul. You all waived
Speaker 2: your rights to say anything. Evan said it was not
Speaker 2: worth watching. Alex said, it's just a museum ballpark and
Speaker 2: she's boycotting, and Paul said he did not buy their
Speaker 2: recent success. Deuce, I know you're a one sport guy,
Speaker 2: and you've probably been focusing on our defensive line depth
Speaker 2: while eating your last lobster roll of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 2: because eating one after the start of training camp would
Speaker 2: be sacrilegious. Lady and gentlemen, start your engines the twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six seasons upon us. Here are five semi bold predictions.
Speaker 2: Patriots go eleven and six and win the AFC East's old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not that interesting to me.
Speaker 2: Though Chiefs missed the playoffs. Again, I could see that happening,
Speaker 2: so that doesn't that's not bold either.
Speaker 1: I don't see that happening. Is if all these reports
Speaker 1: are accurate about Mahomes, I don't see that happen.
Speaker 2: The forty nine Ers win the NFC West.
Speaker 1: That's a little bold.
Speaker 7: That's a little bold, especially with the Rams.
Speaker 1: Three teams are really good.
Speaker 4: I know, yeah, I still any one of them. They're
Speaker 4: the clear third team though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Dolphins will be picking first overall, not at all,
Speaker 2: one of the worst rosters in the league. And here's
Speaker 2: one that Paul will get on board with Caleb Williams
Speaker 2: is the league MVP.
Speaker 1: That's bold, that's hold because he's not he's not consistent
Speaker 1: enough to put up the numbers that you have to
Speaker 1: because these guys don't crazy, So these guys don't watch
Speaker 1: the games. They just look at the stats and he'll
Speaker 1: have like his completion percentage won't be good enough to
Speaker 1: win it. He could play good enough, but the completion
Speaker 1: percentage I can't see being like that gaudy seventy percent that. No,
Speaker 1: he did.
Speaker 2: But if he's got a bunch of yards running and
Speaker 2: they're winning, right, he'd be in the mix.
Speaker 1: I feel like they'd be like with him there. He
Speaker 1: wasn't in the mix last year. He did all those things,
Speaker 1: but his stats are just kind of pedestrian. Because that's
Speaker 1: complete enough, right? Can we go back by the ways?
Speaker 1: Mike Wallace?
Speaker 4: Mike Wallace? Can we go back to the Red Sox
Speaker 4: thing real quick?
Speaker 1: Oh? You can't.
Speaker 6: So I just want to say, you gotta do you
Speaker 6: gotta separate these two things like this. To me, the
Speaker 6: movie that comes to mind when I think about these
Speaker 6: current Red Sox is Major League right. They're doing this
Speaker 6: in spite of ownership and upper management. They're not doing
Speaker 6: this because the team is pointed in the right direction
Speaker 6: and they like are getting the resources they need or
Speaker 6: they're doing good things. No, they're they're this is unbelievable
Speaker 6: what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So you don't you think obviously you think that they're
Speaker 2: playing way above their potential their abilities.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I'm just yeah, but I'm also just saying
Speaker 6: that they have my My frustrations with the Red Sox
Speaker 6: everybody else is nothing to do with the players on
Speaker 6: the field. My frustration with the Red Sox has to
Speaker 6: do with the dude that sits in the owner's box.
Speaker 4: So that's why I don't like. I don't want to
Speaker 4: give him my money until he starts taking it zero.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I kind of agree with Evan, And you know,
Speaker 1: I made the comment like a month ago, like I
Speaker 1: just wish he would sell the team if he's not
Speaker 1: really interested in trying to win. And now they're on
Speaker 1: a winning streak and there's one guy on Twitter that
Speaker 1: he keeps tweeting me sell the team. I feel exactly
Speaker 1: the same way too, Like I want them to win
Speaker 1: every single game. I think, I think this is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I was riveted to the game last night now, partly
Speaker 1: because my son went and we were teasing them, like
Speaker 1: you're not going to be allowed to go anymore if
Speaker 1: you break the streak. But we were watching it in
Speaker 1: like these games right now, the last three or four games,
Speaker 1: it's like electric in there. It's back to normal Fenway Park.
Speaker 1: It's not the other team's fans creating all the environment.
Speaker 1: It's back to the Red Sox excitement. But this is
Speaker 1: not a sustainable product. What's on the field right now
Speaker 1: is a bunch of four players playing out of their minds.
Speaker 1: They're catching every break imaginable. The other team made four
Speaker 1: errors last night. The last out was an absolute missile
Speaker 1: right at the shortstop to end the game. Like if
Speaker 1: that's a foot up left right? Like what? Like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're talking about a whole different thing. That's what happens
Speaker 1: in baseball from time to time. You catch fire, you
Speaker 1: catch the breaks. It just happened to the Marlins, a
Speaker 1: very average team that just went twenty one and six
Speaker 1: in June. They have the same exact record as the
Speaker 1: Red Sox. They're not very good either. Yeah, like it happens,
Speaker 1: But you know what, I don't care it's fun and
Speaker 1: I watched the weekend games. The Saturday game, the Abray
Speaker 1: home run was electric.
Speaker 6: But I don't want to I don't want to get
Speaker 6: it twisted because the emailer made it sound like we
Speaker 6: can't say anything.
Speaker 1: It's like.
Speaker 6: My issues with the Red Sox are not on the
Speaker 6: field level. My issues with the Red Sox are above that,
Speaker 6: which is why I won't renew our tickets.
Speaker 4: I've flight out.
Speaker 6: Won't until you start actually putting and investing into the team.
Speaker 6: Why should I invest in you? That's how I feel,
Speaker 6: And you know what my biggest fear is.
Speaker 7: For So the Roman Holiday contract wasn't investing in the team.
Speaker 4: Giving a guy a contract way too early before.
Speaker 1: It's a small contract, like, what do you mean, Well,
Speaker 1: for guy that age, that's a lot of But that's
Speaker 1: what they're trying to do. Yeah, they did because they
Speaker 1: don't want to have a Mookie Betts.
Speaker 6: They did it with Roman, they did it with Saydan Raphaela,
Speaker 6: they did it with all these guys. Mayo, if you're
Speaker 6: willing to sign early, they're more than willing to Christian Campbell,
Speaker 6: if they actually like invested in real resources into the team.
Speaker 4: They have a decent team.
Speaker 6: They could make it really good and be a World
Speaker 6: Series contender if they actually put it.
Speaker 2: In and they're doing it without Croquet. He's he's been.
Speaker 7: Hurt, and you know what.
Speaker 1: You know what My biggest fear is Trevor's story. My
Speaker 1: biggest fear right now is that they think they're right.
Speaker 1: They just you know, they just won whatever twenty twenty
Speaker 1: eight or whatever, and they think, see, the first three
Speaker 1: months were a fluke, the last three weeks or really
Speaker 1: what it is, this is what we thought all along,
Speaker 1: and they're gonna continue to try to win like this.
Speaker 1: And I'm just telling you, at some point the talent
Speaker 1: difference between the teams that they're playing is gonna shine through.
Speaker 1: They know pitching, the pitching has been excellent, Fred excellent.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Sonny Gray's this good?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: He's been good this year all I know.
Speaker 1: But it's not sustainable, is what I'm saying. And my
Speaker 1: fear is they think that they're right and they've split
Speaker 1: the add on. We don't have to spend money like
Speaker 1: all those dumb teams that have good players. We don't
Speaker 1: have to do that. Fourteen in a row.
Speaker 6: The last couple of nights when they win and they
Speaker 6: show those guys in the in the boxes and stuff
Speaker 6: like that, and I'm like, Paul's right, they're gonna be.
Speaker 1: Like, see, we knew you could see that shot they
Speaker 1: had a preslo when the game ended last night, you
Speaker 1: could see.
Speaker 4: It right again. Yeah, like he's about to be he's
Speaker 4: about to be tarps off.
Speaker 1: And by the way, let me just say this in defense.
Speaker 2: I don't let whatever all that's going on take away
Speaker 2: my enjoyment of what's going on in the field.
Speaker 4: But we're separating the two. That's what I'm trying to
Speaker 4: tell you.
Speaker 1: You don't watch I did. You're boycotting the team. So
Speaker 1: I I did watch.
Speaker 2: I've watched this weekend all the fun young man.
Speaker 4: I mean I I've watched like every game last Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't know why we keep doing that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 4: I think what I'm doing is totally valid. Like they they.
Speaker 2: Do.
Speaker 4: You know how much it costs to go to a game, Okay,
Speaker 4: but like just to.
Speaker 2: Walk into the penalize the guys trying working their asses off.
Speaker 1: On how many times I said I'm separating those.
Speaker 7: Right, but he's not watching them.
Speaker 4: I literally watched last night.
Speaker 1: What do you mean? But but I would say that
Speaker 1: I have watched and you know that I but you
Speaker 1: know I wasn't.
Speaker 4: Sorry, but I'm not gonna watch when they're thirty.
Speaker 1: I've watched the Tampa Bay series coming out of the
Speaker 1: break was was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: You can't resist the good bouncing ball on TV. You
Speaker 2: can't resist I don't care what the sport is, see
Speaker 2: who's playing.
Speaker 1: I can tell you I could resist watching World Cup
Speaker 1: Final games that evidently weren't sleep inducing. It were good,
Speaker 1: but it was good. I would say that the excitement
Speaker 1: level of I didn't watch Sunday because I told you
Speaker 1: I was out golfing, But I watched Saturday. I watched
Speaker 1: the second game with the doubleheader on Friday, and the
Speaker 1: game last night was absolutely riveting. It was a great
Speaker 1: baseball for a regular season game. Now, obviously I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been glued to the if they hadn't won thirteen
Speaker 1: in a row and it was just like, you know,
Speaker 1: they won the last game after losing the previous two.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been watching as intently as I was.
Speaker 1: But I'm sorry. When you win fourteen in a row
Speaker 1: like as Bob Costa says, in that clip from Moneyball,
Speaker 1: like the randomness of baseball like that to me is fun.
Speaker 1: That's intriguing, that's like, how can you know? I get
Speaker 1: caught up in it.
Speaker 2: I went to see The Odyssey last night. It was
Speaker 2: really good.
Speaker 1: You didn't watch the Red so.
Speaker 4: So he's yelling at me, my goodness, stop it yelling
Speaker 4: as you know.
Speaker 2: It's a dark theater in your check.
Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
Speaker 1: What was your movie review?
Speaker 2: Excellent?
Speaker 7: Movie excellent, Yeah, really really good.
Speaker 1: I want to go see it. I want to try
Speaker 1: this for Stepher.
Speaker 7: Nolan is a fricking genius.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really, I go see anything he did Planet thing,
Speaker 1: that one I didn't quite get it. Tenant. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't get into that one. But which one? Tenant? Christopher Nolan?
Speaker 1: I had never heard of it? Very confusing.
Speaker 3: But I want to try this new movie theater here,
Speaker 3: but they don't they have good deals on tickets like
Speaker 3: eight dollar matinees.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I heard. It's another uh in the growing
Speaker 1: genre of its nonlinear jumps around a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just going you go back and forth in time.
Speaker 2: I like the way he presented it. I really do
Speaker 2: want to see I was the Cyclops. I heard the cyclops.
Speaker 1: Pretty cool. Yeah, I don't want to.
Speaker 7: I don't want to spoilers hunting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, case people forget that Achilles is dead.
Speaker 1: The story has been around for about two.
Speaker 4: How many people have been like, where's Achilles? He's dead?
Speaker 4: He died in the.
Speaker 2: Actually in the actual poem the Odyssey, Uh, there's a
Speaker 2: part where Odysseus goes to Hades and he meets up
Speaker 2: with Achilles and as well as some other legends of
Speaker 2: Greek Lord.
Speaker 1: Go watch Troy with Brad Pitt. I was you know,
Speaker 1: did is this a movie that you really should see
Speaker 1: in the theater?
Speaker 2: I would think so, Yeah, I mean actually it was
Speaker 2: shot for Imax. I didn't see it an Imax, but yeah,
Speaker 2: if you can see it, and I know.
Speaker 1: Incredibly well, yeah, like three theaters in Massachusetts.
Speaker 2: It's three hours too, so you know, tack a lunch
Speaker 2: the days. But I I enjoyed it.
Speaker 7: It was really good.
Speaker 1: I've heard a lot of I haven't heard anybody have
Speaker 1: really many bad things going to go see it? This
Speaker 1: weekend was all sold out.
Speaker 2: Everything all right, A five to five pasts five hundred.
Speaker 2: Let's get to North Carolina. Eldred's on the phone, what's up?
Speaker 4: Eldred, There we go.
Speaker 1: How are y'all doing? Doing great?
Speaker 10: Okay, I'm doing pretty good too, But I got one
Speaker 10: serious question.
Speaker 3: Okay, anybody worry about Gonzallas holding out if they try
Speaker 3: to give him, don't give him to the stitches A.
Speaker 1: Little bit mildly mildly a little bit, Yeah, worried about
Speaker 1: him holding out camp, not not regular season games, but
Speaker 1: it might link that.
Speaker 4: Because he's not going to do that.
Speaker 1: A little bit for me, Eldred and holding out regular
Speaker 1: season and if he holds out like hold, if he
Speaker 1: has a hold in in camp, I worry about him
Speaker 1: not necessarily being ready to go at the start. And
Speaker 1: that's when like hamstrings pulled and stuff like.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and what's the deal with Akis? Is he uh
Speaker 11: on the team?
Speaker 3: And on the team we'll find out, I mean, this
Speaker 3: is any any day now, you'll find out my prediction
Speaker 3: for acuses he'll be here and they'll figure this out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean healthy.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean if we don't see squats, did you
Speaker 3: see that?
Speaker 4: Great?
Speaker 3: I mean that's question one or two for Rabel probably
Speaker 3: on Friday when.
Speaker 8: Prescott, well, my prediction is thirteen and four and that's
Speaker 8: a very u.
Speaker 12: Thirteen in fo.
Speaker 7: Okay thirteen and four.
Speaker 4: I like it without training for DK, all right, thanks
Speaker 4: Aldred DK.
Speaker 2: But but we got a J. We don't need DK
Speaker 2: all right, thanks Aldred.
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call.
Speaker 2: Let's see. Kyle writes in from Pembroke joint practices. We've
Speaker 2: got three of them this year. Are infamous for having fights.
Speaker 2: We have joint practices with the Eagles, who haven't had
Speaker 2: a good uh split with Brown. So I have to ask,
Speaker 2: what do you think the odds are we get a
Speaker 2: Rabel versus Siriani the want to be hard oh scrap
Speaker 2: during one of the two joint practices doesn't want that smoke.
Speaker 1: I think you have a better chance of seeing a
Speaker 1: Rabel Sirianni altercation than anything involving a J. Brown because
Speaker 1: from what I've been told and Red, they love him
Speaker 1: the Eagles. The Eagles love a J. Brown. Right now,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that Jalen Hurts and a J. Brown
Speaker 1: are as close as they once were. But I didn't
Speaker 1: heard a bad thing about a J. Brown from a
Speaker 1: member of the Eagles. Really, have you No? I heard
Speaker 1: all just glowing things.
Speaker 4: What about Elliott Woolf versus Howie Rose?
Speaker 1: We bring we bring Breslo in from over they like,
Speaker 1: don't put pres on the same they press.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to give Breslow as flowers though I
Speaker 1: think he had a really good off season.
Speaker 3: Anyway, continue I'm a little interested about Gonzales and just
Speaker 3: you know, is there a certain point where the team
Speaker 3: he wants too much and the team says, now, like,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of a holdover from well, they're waiting
Speaker 1: for Witherspoon right and Witherspoon's waiting for him where I
Speaker 1: came a chicken right now? The latest thing I saw
Speaker 1: was that. And I don't know how someone determined this,
Speaker 1: but the line of thought is now that Witherspoon will
Speaker 1: be the first one to sign. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: like they're represented by the same firm, the same aiden
Speaker 1: as Reggie Johnson. I think, I forget I forget a
Speaker 1: c AA, I believe. But if you go by that
Speaker 1: Jeremy Fowler rankings from all like all the personnel people,
Speaker 1: you know, Gonzales was three, Witherspoon was four. Maybe they
Speaker 1: use that as a well that's a I mean, that's
Speaker 1: just it's a little subjective list, but it gives you
Speaker 1: a little bit of an idea. So Witherspoon should go
Speaker 1: first and then Gonzales should re up them. I don't
Speaker 1: know if Witherspoon is.
Speaker 2: That it's the same firm.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they have the same agent.
Speaker 4: They do, so.
Speaker 7: Make it complicates it?
Speaker 1: I think? Because it does.
Speaker 2: You can't say to Gonzales, listen, let him go whatever
Speaker 2: he gets, we'll give you five percent more, right, you know.
Speaker 7: But if it's the same agent and.
Speaker 1: Now and now he's saying, like, you know you should
Speaker 1: go first, well no, make him go first. Yeah right,
Speaker 1: you know I'm better who knows? But I think they
Speaker 1: both have a very legitimate claim to that. Yeah, title obviously,
Speaker 1: I mean being better there with one was three and
Speaker 1: one was four different types of yeah right yeah.
Speaker 2: But does the agent? Does it make it more complicated
Speaker 2: for the agent too, because if he gets more for
Speaker 2: one like by it than the other, right right, yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I mean it's gonna I don't think we're
Speaker 6: going to be like in different ballparks here, Like it's
Speaker 6: if Gonzales gets thirty two, then maybe Wetherspoon gets thirty
Speaker 6: two in a quarter, right, Like, It's not like they're
Speaker 6: going to be forty like I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Blow it out of the water more, but you never know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard some different things.
Speaker 2: Mike and Bocoverton about the cornerbacks for the Patriots. He says,
Speaker 2: Patriots all time number one cornerback is Mike Haynes and
Speaker 2: number two isn't even close. Haines was on the NFL
Speaker 2: all time Top one hundred team, but also because of
Speaker 2: his returning skills.
Speaker 1: Right, no, no, but Haines was on the all time
Speaker 1: NFL team because of his work with the Raiders.
Speaker 2: Well true, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Didn't want to bring that up.
Speaker 2: Also, just tuned in. Not sure if you covered it.
Speaker 2: Try to watch on the Patriots app and PU was
Speaker 2: not available. Is it available on the Patriots dot com website?
Speaker 2: I hope so. Yeah, and you let's check that out.
Speaker 1: Check it out. Mike Hane's tremendous player. By the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: remember my tremendous corner, big corner. You don't remember Mike
Speaker 1: Haynes way before my time?
Speaker 2: Stop it a little over under from Mike. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: we got it going on the app.
Speaker 1: So try to tap that app into your cat.
Speaker 2: Check your starting control control F five.
Speaker 1: I got the blue screen of death.
Speaker 4: Did you catch your cash.
Speaker 1: What about your your cash?
Speaker 2: Uh little unorthodox preseason over under a regular season games
Speaker 2: where the Patriots will be favored nine and a hay.
Speaker 4: Well, we can find this out already.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, that's out there.
Speaker 1: Regular season games nine and a half. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the over. I'll take the over. I'll take ten.
Speaker 2: Although Pro Bowl selections are usually a popularity contest, amount
Speaker 2: of Patriots who make the Pro Bowl three and a hay.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go over on that because I think they
Speaker 3: went to the Super Bowl last year, and usually your
Speaker 3: a year behind on some of the players, so you'll
Speaker 3: start to get.
Speaker 1: Some of that resision.
Speaker 2: I think three is easy, right, you got maybe Gonzales,
Speaker 2: Milton Williams, and Drake May.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's easy.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's easy either, at the risk of
Speaker 1: going off, Fred, are we talking actual Pro bowlers or
Speaker 1: guys that say they went to.
Speaker 4: All because, like you said, it popular second team. I
Speaker 4: actually think that it's the initial roster.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, that that's what CENTI. That's what the censorship
Speaker 1: based on, right, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that initial roster is actually still semi legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm going to take the under. Then, for the
Speaker 1: same reason.
Speaker 2: Evan said, yeah, okay, total points scored against the Jets
Speaker 2: this year, total points scored two games, fifty four and
Speaker 2: a hay over over over over.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think they might score fifty four.
Speaker 2: You never know what those AFC East games, you never
Speaker 2: know in the division.
Speaker 1: Some additions on defense. One of those games is really
Speaker 1: late in the season, right, Yeah, that I missed the
Speaker 1: second last one, so it could be a weather game.
Speaker 1: That's a good number. Fifty four and a half's a
Speaker 1: good number. I'll take the old. Just to be consistent
Speaker 1: with everybody else, I'm gonna take the under. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: take the under.
Speaker 16: The Jets.
Speaker 2: Uh home field goals made over fifty five yards by
Speaker 2: borogalas to and a hay under.
Speaker 1: Drake don't really fields this year. Offense is unstoppable. I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think is like a long range.
Speaker 1: He had he had one last year? Though, didn't He
Speaker 1: didn't he have like a fifty seven yard year? Did
Speaker 1: I just invent that he might have? He went up?
Speaker 4: I did say that he doesn't have range.
Speaker 1: You know he's not, But like three of them, he's
Speaker 1: not a lot.
Speaker 4: Aubrey is kicking sixty plus yard field.
Speaker 1: See, I'm going with the Mike Mike do Soau theory.
Speaker 1: The offense will not be stopped. We don't need to
Speaker 1: be kicking sixty year field goals. That's what happens in down.
Speaker 2: T Throws for over fifty yards two and.
Speaker 3: A hey, yeah he had a sixty three yard and
Speaker 3: against Denver sixty three that's what it said.
Speaker 1: No, no, that was a sorry, it was a long. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he missed my sorry.
Speaker 2: Touchdowns for over fifty yards plus two and a hay
Speaker 2: over over fifty yards yeah, under over over.
Speaker 4: That's deep streak.
Speaker 3: May we're talking about deep Come on, come on, now,
Speaker 3: come on now, Paul, you know I got an emmy
Speaker 3: pretty good.
Speaker 1: I didn't say he didn't have an anim Has that been?
Speaker 1: What are you in?
Speaker 4: Workshopping a little bit?
Speaker 1: So he didn't have any.
Speaker 2: Let's see, back to the phone. We got Chucky in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: What's up, Chucky gees in Wisconsin?
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, hey guys, thanks for taking my call and
Speaker 16: welcome back.
Speaker 1: Thanks to the guy who's been away.
Speaker 16: Hey, I got one that's been festering for a few
Speaker 16: months now, and I thought the off season here as
Speaker 16: we're wrapping up, might be a good time to get it,
Speaker 16: Paul A little.
Speaker 1: Bit good so good luck both shows, So.
Speaker 16: Evan's in on this too. Both shows we talked about
Speaker 16: drag May and the playoff performances, and I guess I'm
Speaker 16: sort of an analytics guy at heart. But ultimately, if
Speaker 16: you look at the weather in the Houston game, why
Speaker 16: are people we shouldn't put the ball on the ground.
Speaker 16: Why are people griping about three really beautiful touchdown passes
Speaker 16: and saying that he didn't perform in the playoffs. So
Speaker 16: thanks for taking the call, and I'll take it off
Speaker 16: the air.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, I thought we were going to have
Speaker 1: a talk like those we can't hit and run just
Speaker 1: a drive by? Yeah, I mean he maybe the best
Speaker 1: throw that I saw and making the all the playoffs
Speaker 1: was the throw to Hunter Henry for a touchdown against
Speaker 1: the Chargers. Like I can pick out plays that were
Speaker 1: really good throws, but when you complete fifty percent of
Speaker 1: your passes like the like, the body of your work
Speaker 1: just wasn't that good. When you fumbled the ball how
Speaker 1: many times four in the Houston games? And does that
Speaker 1: not count?
Speaker 4: Analytically? He did not play well in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Analytically eyeball test. Yeah, like he did enough to win
Speaker 1: the games and he deserves credit for that. And yes,
Speaker 1: he played against good defenses, and yes he played in
Speaker 1: bad weather, but he didn't play that well.
Speaker 2: That's the question, you know.
Speaker 1: So for Chuck e.
Speaker 2: Cheese, I'm the throw it back at you, but you
Speaker 2: know you decided to leave. What if the Patriots defense
Speaker 2: hadn't been playing so well?
Speaker 1: Well, I would also say, like, so he made a
Speaker 1: great throw, like I said to Hunter Henry, and he
Speaker 1: made a great throw like to Dig, Like we're just
Speaker 1: counting all the touchdowns of great throws, Like does Digs
Speaker 1: not get any credit for that ridiculous catch in the
Speaker 1: end zone in Houston? That was like right in the
Speaker 1: middle of like three guys. Yes, the throw was perfect,
Speaker 1: but how many guys catch that? And I'm sorry, the
Speaker 1: booty catch is ridiculous. That was amazing better catch? Yeah, right, right,
Speaker 1: So you made the same throw and that ball's incomplete
Speaker 1: and no one's saying, oh geez, you know that ball's
Speaker 1: got to get caught. But that's just the fine line.
Speaker 1: Like the Patriots had a special year last year and
Speaker 1: those things all went for them, and Drake May was
Speaker 1: part of that and the receivers were part of that,
Speaker 1: like they deserve to win those games because they made
Speaker 1: those plays. But it wasn't just Drake May making those
Speaker 1: plays in the playoffs. Now, a lot of times during
Speaker 1: the regular season it was Drake May, but in the
Speaker 1: playoffs it was, as Fred said, the defense dominating all
Speaker 1: those turnovers. And then Marcus Jones completely changed the I mean,
Speaker 1: I know that he didn't have a lot to he
Speaker 1: caught a punt. Yeah, it was it Milton Williams that
Speaker 1: killed Stroud on that play that he threw up the
Speaker 1: punch for grabs. Yeah, that completely changed that games. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he had his moments.
Speaker 3: You know, you don't win three playoff games without your
Speaker 3: quarterback having some moments, but just the sum total of it,
Speaker 3: you know, no, we didn't have many.
Speaker 2: We talked about like the Denver game. You know, the
Speaker 2: one of the biggest plays was that twenty eight yards
Speaker 2: scramble that he had or you know, the flee flicker play.
Speaker 2: But you can't tell me that Drake May had a
Speaker 2: good offensive game in Denver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the weather is going to be the weather, right.
Speaker 2: It's the weather.
Speaker 7: Weather affected that game, and it affected the Houston game.
Speaker 6: Right, But my point is is maybe the defenses won't
Speaker 6: be as good because I was a gauntlet. Let's face it, Like,
Speaker 6: you know, like Houston, Seattle, Denver was three of the
Speaker 6: best defense in the league all year long. But January
Speaker 6: football and Foxborough is going to be bad weather, Like
Speaker 6: when they get into the playoffs every single year they're not.
Speaker 6: It's not going to be seventy in sunny, It's going
Speaker 6: to be bad weather.
Speaker 1: How did the defense play and those those three playoff games, right,
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense. We don't say, well, there was bad
Speaker 1: weather for the other team right now. No, we say
Speaker 1: the Patriots defense played great because they did the red
Speaker 1: zone defense woke up for the first time all year.
Speaker 1: But how about the stunts and the pressure that we
Speaker 1: didn't see all year?
Speaker 4: They did?
Speaker 1: They don't have that amount of pressure.
Speaker 2: We might have ruined c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud.
Speaker 6: I mean either right, Herbert took a beating that now, absolutely,
Speaker 6: and they already had one hand.
Speaker 4: He was already.
Speaker 1: But like, we don't say, like, no, the weather was
Speaker 1: bad so c J. Stroud was was turnover prone.
Speaker 3: No, we say the Patriots defense killed Yeah, that was
Speaker 3: the Milwilliams When I was that popped into my head
Speaker 3: when you said.
Speaker 2: That was on was on Herbert, Yeah, David and Florida.
Speaker 2: I work retail, and so once I'm completely caught up
Speaker 2: on the podcast, I often go back a few years
Speaker 2: to listen to old shows from when they do that.
Speaker 2: I don't don't judge me, Evan, some of us have
Speaker 2: to work.
Speaker 4: I'm not judging you. I'm just judging you. Why do
Speaker 4: you like there's got to be something better that you
Speaker 4: can do?
Speaker 2: I could not help but notice the first show after
Speaker 2: drafting Cole Strange, the best compliment the panel could give
Speaker 2: about Strange was Fred saying, listen, what I hear is
Speaker 2: that he's a really nice guy. And that made me
Speaker 2: laugh out loud.
Speaker 1: This was before Evan, right, don't play it.
Speaker 4: I don't know what to say. The Patriots have drafted
Speaker 4: offensive Strange from Chattanooga. We can stop it there.
Speaker 2: Like there's a question like, really along the same line,
Speaker 2: do you guys ever go back and watch full games
Speaker 2: during the odd days of the off season, not just
Speaker 2: for film breakdown? If so, what games are go tos?
Speaker 2: I personally love rewatching primetime games like the Giants Monday
Speaker 2: night football game, great show.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't watch. I don't games I do.
Speaker 3: I do will flip on some highlights from time to
Speaker 3: time when I feel like, wait, what happened in that game?
Speaker 3: Because I find I don't know if it's just doing
Speaker 3: this job or maybe it's just getting old. Like Paul
Speaker 3: we talk about, I have trouble like what exactly happened
Speaker 3: in that game? You know, like they all kind of
Speaker 3: start to blend together. So sometimes but the super Bowl,
Speaker 3: I haven't watched really. I mean I've looked at parts
Speaker 3: of it, but I haven't watched.
Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't watched the super Bowl either. The
Speaker 1: only thing I would say sometimes NFL network will just
Speaker 1: replay random right and whether the Patriots or not. I
Speaker 1: would never sit there and watch three hours of a replay,
Speaker 1: but like I would maybe clicking on in highlight, Oh
Speaker 1: you watch this drive? No, not unless there's something very specific.
Speaker 7: It's not at midnight.
Speaker 4: No, But like I've watches them the first time and
Speaker 4: then and then he watches it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a big case he missed any I'm
Speaker 1: not a big rewatch guy. And that might be because
Speaker 1: of that weird thing that I have with the recall,
Speaker 1: Like I kind of remember the sequence? Yeah, now again,
Speaker 1: ask me what happened like two hours ago? I can't
Speaker 1: tell you.
Speaker 2: Uh, Sam writes in I haven't seen it yet, but
Speaker 2: love it of Fred loved the show. Oh that he's
Speaker 2: talking about he's talking about Live at the Toby House.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I thought he was talking about Fortunately I hope.
Speaker 2: So anyway, go subscribe. What do you guys think the
Speaker 2: headlines will be after the first week of training camp?
Speaker 2: What will Felger be grilling Greg Bagard on Will Campbell?
Speaker 3: How's will Campbell look through the first three practices in shorts?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is Caleb Blom who already pushed it to do it?
Speaker 1: Go ahead?
Speaker 4: Now do you do?
Speaker 1: Fel I'll do Badard?
Speaker 3: Now you when you drafted him that this was the
Speaker 3: player you were getting.
Speaker 2: Headline Drake may guaranteed not to regress.
Speaker 7: That'll be the head I I think.
Speaker 3: There's a strong chance it's where's Gonzales? How are they
Speaker 3: going to figure this out?
Speaker 1: The number one thing is Gonzales. If you're tell me
Speaker 1: that he has not had a contract and he's participating
Speaker 1: fully in camp, then maybe it'll go away. But if
Speaker 1: he's doing anything resembling what he did in the spring
Speaker 1: without a contract. That's the number one thing. And then
Speaker 1: the second thing is AJ Brown. How's A Brown Brown? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's I think to football.
Speaker 3: I mean i'd put Akis in kind of the Gonzales
Speaker 3: bucket of the two outstanding personnel issues.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think A J.
Speaker 3: Brown will certainly be a big focus as we get
Speaker 3: into it. You know, how's Drake looking?
Speaker 1: Your two and you know, are of these young guys improving?
Speaker 1: You know that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: One of the headlines will read this book AJ Brown
Speaker 2: sparkles in camp.
Speaker 4: I mean, are we thinking AJ Brown is going to
Speaker 4: do anything else besides AJ Brown?
Speaker 7: But they'll they'll that'll be you know, obviously it a
Speaker 7: headline when he does.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just feel like, you know, you don't feel
Speaker 1: like we're going to overreact to like AJ Brown? Did
Speaker 1: you see that? Like I felt like I wrote like
Speaker 1: one hundred words on his catching mini camp to lead
Speaker 1: my feature for the book over it totally overreacted Maybe in.
Speaker 6: That sense I thought you meant more like is like
Speaker 6: working with AJ Brown? Because you're saying fulger and Maz Like,
Speaker 6: to me, that's the negative slant of.
Speaker 1: No, Like, well, I don't take it that way. I
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna be Look, what are the storylines, like,
Speaker 1: what are the big storylines?
Speaker 4: I like punching bags.
Speaker 6: So besides, I agree with the Gonzales stuff and the
Speaker 6: act and stuff like Will Campbell is, Will Campbell's gonna
Speaker 6: be one of them a lightning rod, right, you know,
Speaker 6: he's gonna ask Baard how Will Campbell looks? But Dodd's
Speaker 6: gonna say something like I had him.
Speaker 4: He had seven pluses.
Speaker 1: I had I had him for two plus plays in
Speaker 1: the one on ones he was one one and one,
Speaker 1: but the loss went against Draymond Jones, So that's trouble again,
Speaker 1: that's good.
Speaker 3: I would say along those lines, though, if there was
Speaker 3: a storyline of Achus is practicing or Elijah Ponder one
Speaker 3: of the young edge guys are kind of popping a
Speaker 3: little bit, like you know, and then that would be
Speaker 3: that maybe the opposite of the Will Campbell, like Elijah
Speaker 3: Ponder's been given Will Campbell a hard time. Is that
Speaker 3: a good sign for Elijah Ponder? Is that a buy
Speaker 3: a bad sign for Will Campbell?
Speaker 1: If you want to go completely negative, if that's the
Speaker 1: way you're looking at it with Felger, Like what's it
Speaker 1: going to be railing against my guess is the media
Speaker 1: because my shock, my my feel will be that we
Speaker 1: will all be writing a lot of really good stuff
Speaker 1: because like AJ Brown's gonna look good and Drake may
Speaker 1: is gonna look comfortable in year two and Felger is
Speaker 1: going to read all these stories. Oh, this is like
Speaker 1: the best team in football. You know, there's got to
Speaker 1: be something that's an issue down there. Is anybody see
Speaker 1: anything that you know? Because because every diary like we're dying,
Speaker 1: the punching bag will be the media because which is
Speaker 1: not feeding them in a negative.
Speaker 4: Very big The poor Celtics beat just gets right for
Speaker 4: the Coles.
Speaker 1: He has one guy, Gary Washburn is the only guy
Speaker 1: that he'll even take with any monica of legitimacy some.
Speaker 4: Of the things he says.
Speaker 2: I agree with Brandon's and Syracuse what's up Brandon Brandon?
Speaker 2: Syracuse Orange Men, No nothing, You're gone? Okay, Uh We'll
Speaker 2: go out to the west Johns and Wyoming, what's up? John?
Speaker 1: Hey? Can you guys hear me?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Ken a long time listener, first time caller. I love
Speaker 1: your guys the show.
Speaker 8: I love that you guys do I hope Evan.
Speaker 1: And Paul had a good vacation. Thanks.
Speaker 7: Thanks.
Speaker 3: One question one of the Patriots rival Jersey's gonna be
Speaker 3: back in stock take it off there?
Speaker 2: Okay, thanks? Do we have the dates for the rivalry?
Speaker 2: I think they were gonna wear him twice.
Speaker 1: Maybe he wants to know that.
Speaker 3: I don't know that back in the stop is wand
Speaker 3: I I mean I was my understanding that it was
Speaker 3: in the spring sometime, but I I've not seen them yet.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's incomplicated by the World Cup and the whole
Speaker 3: Pro Shop had to move. I don't know if that
Speaker 3: had something to do with it, but they are moving
Speaker 3: back into the Pro Shop, so I mean I would hope.
Speaker 1: I don't know anything that they be back for training camp.
Speaker 1: That seems like, well, I.
Speaker 2: Find out and we'll get the answer. For Thursday's shows'll
Speaker 2: be done in spring before the World Rivalry and Jerseys
Speaker 2: back and stocked. Yeah, the popular item I had a
Speaker 2: lot of I wonder if they'll have new a new
Speaker 2: line of I mean.
Speaker 3: The colors will get and why you can because those
Speaker 3: things were like hotcakes.
Speaker 2: That was a real success, those rivalries, and.
Speaker 6: It like seemed like it grew on people like I
Speaker 6: feel like the original release, everybody was like, what the
Speaker 6: heck is that?
Speaker 4: And then like as people looked at it more.
Speaker 2: But you know, I had a sneak peek at that
Speaker 2: long before they got from the get go. I said,
Speaker 2: these are cool, like the white helmet with the current
Speaker 2: logo and the color was it was just I did
Speaker 2: like the color. They really it's really hard to go
Speaker 2: completely different from your scheme and be successful. I think
Speaker 2: that hit a home run.
Speaker 3: I too, I mean that was I thought. I mean
Speaker 3: it'd be interesting to see. I guess eight more teams
Speaker 3: will do them this year, so you'll get another sense
Speaker 3: of right, you know how many teams.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. I liked them all last year,
Speaker 1: and sooner or later someone's going to come with something
Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, what would they think? That's awful?
Speaker 1: The Jets. The Jets have like an all white thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's I thought they I thought they maybe it
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the rivalry thing, but I
Speaker 1: saw something white with the old white.
Speaker 2: Helmet kind of waving the white flat probably, but I did.
Speaker 1: Think it looked. It looked good. But like the Rams
Speaker 1: one last year was pretty good.
Speaker 6: I thought, I like the they wore one was kind
Speaker 6: of different.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't really see one that I was like, Oh, usually,
Speaker 1: let's face it.
Speaker 6: Usually, I mean it's the swag also with the Patriots
Speaker 6: rivalry stuff, it is really cool, like the jackets and
Speaker 6: the hoodies and like.
Speaker 1: I think that I really like the Patriots stuff that
Speaker 1: that they they put out. I hope there is I
Speaker 1: agree with the caller. I hope that they produced more
Speaker 1: of that.
Speaker 2: It's in North Carolina.
Speaker 10: Hey, ed, Hey, hey, gentlemen, Oh, I didn't know I
Speaker 10: was through there.
Speaker 2: Use that.
Speaker 10: I've been listening since you drafted my fellow Tar Hill alum,
Speaker 10: Drake May of you, guys, I had an interesting kind
Speaker 10: of question for you, and it relates to the kickoff
Speaker 10: changes we've seen in the last couple of years. Knowing
Speaker 10: these kickoff changes want to kind of encourage kickoff returns.
Speaker 10: When are we going to see a team take a
Speaker 10: non kicker on special teams and have them kick off.
Speaker 10: It leaves you someone on the back end that can
Speaker 10: make the play if the returner breaks through. And quite frankly, gentlemen,
Speaker 10: it's not that hard to kick the ball fifty or
Speaker 10: sixty yards.
Speaker 1: What do you think, well, Kansas City did it a
Speaker 1: little bit, but I would think that it is kind
Speaker 1: of a specialized skill to kick the ball where you want.
Speaker 4: Especially the landing zone.
Speaker 6: I don't think that we've seen it be enough of
Speaker 6: an explosive play to need to put another like athlete
Speaker 6: on the field. If it was, like if there was
Speaker 6: like returns happening every single week and it was kind
Speaker 6: of what we're seeing more of is like can you
Speaker 6: get the thirty yard line is like sort of the
Speaker 6: line of demarcation that most coaches are going for. So
Speaker 6: I don't know if there's the need.
Speaker 1: And the penalty correct refresh my memory, the penalty for
Speaker 1: not hitting it in the landing area is to the
Speaker 1: forty right, yeah, So I don't know if that's worth
Speaker 1: the risk.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they changed the there's one loophole that they I
Speaker 6: think they shored up this offseason where like when the
Speaker 6: kickoff gets moved up, yeah because of a penalty, Like
Speaker 6: if you it's makes more sense to like kick it
Speaker 6: outside the landing zone, and they fix that, but like
Speaker 6: the kick.
Speaker 1: It out of bounds yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they really there's definitely been more returns, yep.
Speaker 6: I don't think there have been more longer returns.
Speaker 7: Right usually get to around the third right, and so I.
Speaker 4: Think that that's it's worked, and it hasn't. I guess
Speaker 4: I'm trying to say, who's.
Speaker 1: Going to be the Patriots kick returner this year?
Speaker 6: Thanks that their third running back and uh maybe like
Speaker 6: Kyle Williams or wherever they're.
Speaker 4: Like take it.
Speaker 3: We don't have a like a this is like Antonio
Speaker 3: Gibson last year felt like he's going to become for Wednesday.
Speaker 6: The third running back has been what whoever that was?
Speaker 6: Deernest Johnson Terrell?
Speaker 1: I mean, is that something tells me late later they
Speaker 1: really they have to fill this kickoff returns?
Speaker 2: I guess, like.
Speaker 1: Are you okay with that?
Speaker 6: Regie Gilliam, big impact blocker on kickoff return Ray Davis Buffalo, Yeah,
Speaker 6: all pro for the last year last year, you know,
Speaker 6: because Regie g William really good lead blocker. I think
Speaker 6: to the caller's point about the kicker, the thing I'm
Speaker 6: more interested in is like are we ever going to
Speaker 6: get more creative with the returns themselves? Like how they're
Speaker 6: block and how you know you put two guys back
Speaker 6: there and maybe have you know, reverses and things like
Speaker 6: that everybody's played it like super safe so far, Like
Speaker 6: they really haven't done anything. They've done some stunting and
Speaker 6: like looping with blockers, but nothing like too crazy like it.
Speaker 1: No. I mean it's definitely added returns, so it's done
Speaker 1: what they wanted it to take that part of it,
Speaker 1: I guess, but I don't. I don't really like it.
Speaker 4: I just feel like they still wed.
Speaker 6: I just feel like there's a lot more meat on
Speaker 6: that bone, and I think nobody, for whatever reason, teams
Speaker 6: are afraid to risk it like that. They feel like
Speaker 6: there might be a m i you know, lead to
Speaker 6: a turnover or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know Spring Lab this offseason, but there.
Speaker 6: Just seems to be like something there that, like especially
Speaker 6: if you need it, like late in the game and
Speaker 6: like you need like a big momentum play or something
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 1: Averse drop a name.
Speaker 2: I was having lunch with Ernie Adams and this was
Speaker 2: when they originally came up with the new rule, and
Speaker 2: I said to them, you know, I really think that
Speaker 2: this thing could lend itself to some really unique blocking schemes.
Speaker 2: And he was like he got like really excited for
Speaker 2: a second and he's like yeah, and then but he
Speaker 2: held back. You wouldn't tell me what he was thinking,
Speaker 2: because I think he's just so conditioned to not give
Speaker 2: out information. But his eyes lit up, like yeah, so,
Speaker 2: I bet you if he was still in the game,
Speaker 2: on the team that he was on, you might see
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 4: The Bills would do some things, and Gilliam was a
Speaker 4: big part of it. So maybe it's a weapon part
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 3: Because I was I mean, I was kind of saying, like,
Speaker 3: is it bad that they don't really? I mean, maybe
Speaker 3: they do have a plan, but from the outside looking in,
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem like it seems to a place where
Speaker 3: let's just have a.
Speaker 1: Guy in there. I think though, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: Henderson should be an option now maybe if they feel
Speaker 1: like he's too valuable to the offense, but I don't.
Speaker 1: Isn't it kind of just a running play? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, but I'm just like, if I'm jam Miller,
Speaker 3: I'm like, kid, you got a real opportunity here, Like,
Speaker 3: you got a real opportunity to, you know, be the guy,
Speaker 3: Like this is a role that.
Speaker 1: Is completely Anderson's like explosiveness. To me, is Taylor made
Speaker 1: for that? I Mean, Marcus Jones is every bit is
Speaker 1: valued more so. Yeah, really, and he's an electric weapon
Speaker 1: on party turns. I would hate to see them take
Speaker 1: that away from it.
Speaker 2: I think reverses and stuff like that, because unlike running play,
Speaker 2: where you have the line of scrimmage bunched in, these
Speaker 2: guys are spread out. So if if you can take
Speaker 2: advantage of that and get guys go in the wrong direction,
Speaker 2: you've got a little bit more time to get up
Speaker 2: to full speed.
Speaker 1: I don't know you're looking for creas but.
Speaker 6: Last year, right, I don't know if they would do
Speaker 6: it again, Like you know, Gibson and Terrell Jennings both
Speaker 6: got hurt returning kickoffs, yep, and so putting Henderson back there, Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's why they pulled back on that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think.
Speaker 2: Matt is either in LA or Louisiana.
Speaker 7: I don't know. It says Matt from LA.
Speaker 2: I just wanted to know everyone on here always says
Speaker 2: Paul shows as someone who's not from Boston area and
Speaker 2: has only been listening for a few years, What are
Speaker 2: Paul show? Is there any show that will have Paul
Speaker 2: on and pay him money?
Speaker 1: Is really they even have to pay him? Show?
Speaker 2: The Morning Show? Any any radio show? Three of the
Speaker 2: shows on sports TV show that will that will have Paul.
Speaker 7: That's Paul's show.
Speaker 1: Doing very well. That show is doing very well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're welcome.
Speaker 4: I'll leave.
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Speaker 1: We might? We might?
Speaker 2: Right, We're starting at YouTube and we'll see if we
Speaker 2: have to branch out so well that you know, listen,
Speaker 2: I'll be doing it in bare feet and selling my
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Speaker 1: I was going to start my own couple away. I
Speaker 1: got my own pop. It's going to be uh, it's
Speaker 1: just about ticks.
Speaker 3: It's called TikTok TikTok I was just talking about we're
Speaker 3: talking about ticks.
Speaker 4: Probably you know trademark probably well you know what you.
Speaker 2: Know, like they have all the you know, they have
Speaker 2: all those videos like people popping pimples. Oh god, yeah,
Speaker 2: videos of people taking ticks off dogs.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I think it's like it's useful information refreshing, useful refreshing.
Speaker 1: To see dogs being helped like that. People, Okay, the rise,
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Speaker 3: I think there's a there's some kind vaccine I think
Speaker 3: in the works though, which I think, yes, they're working
Speaker 3: on that, So we'll talk about that.
Speaker 4: On tick we took there's a big tick problem on
Speaker 4: Martha's vind overrun.
Speaker 6: So we were coming out of the I was taking
Speaker 6: them out at night when we got back from dinner
Speaker 6: and there was a skunk like and luckily I saw
Speaker 6: it before we like went all the way out on
Speaker 6: the lawn and uh, it was just sitting right in front.
Speaker 6: But that's the one thing about the vineyard, the bugs,
Speaker 6: the rodents like that, it's rampant.
Speaker 4: But the tics. Every time we took them on a walk,
Speaker 4: we had to check them for ticks when we got
Speaker 4: got back.
Speaker 7: In ticks, poison, ivy and mosquitos, let's go.
Speaker 4: Why do we need them skunks this summer on the island.
Speaker 2: I think we could do without it. The ecosystem would
Speaker 2: be fine if we eliminate those three.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's true, but I know it is.
Speaker 1: I know it is a little late in the show.
Speaker 1: But how does skunks get on the vineyard?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Hop on a ship maybe, yeah, garbage, garbage vessels, garbage
Speaker 2: things like that.
Speaker 1: We also saw it to see odins, But that's a skunk.
Speaker 6: Every morning we'd wake up and there'd be a family
Speaker 6: of turkeys out on the lawn.
Speaker 1: They obviously could fly there.
Speaker 2: Fly a little bit. They do fly.
Speaker 1: They do fly. It couldn't they couldn't fly.
Speaker 2: From the rare times that bears get on the cave,
Speaker 2: they don't swim across the canal. They usually they're on
Speaker 2: those garbage vessels and they get across.
Speaker 1: They tell you.
Speaker 3: When I was driving home on the Mass back, I
Speaker 3: saw a dead bear on the medium. Oh well, that's
Speaker 3: like west End Mass And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: you never see it, you know, black bear.
Speaker 1: Just dead right in the middle, never far.
Speaker 2: I used to see the car that I know.
Speaker 1: It didn't look like you know, but tune in again
Speaker 1: tomorrow Catch twenty two Dead Bear, We.
Speaker 4: Could definitely be talking about that.
Speaker 2: Tell the animals don't try to cross this car, just
Speaker 2: stay on the other side, all right. We'll see you
Speaker 2: on Tuesday. Catch twenty two tomorrow.
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