1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. 2 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to you Stuff you should 3 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: Know from house Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome 4 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. With me is Charles W. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: Chuff Bryant and uh, you've got stuff you should know 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: on guard. Yeah, it's too shame it means a touch 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: and friends. I thought this was one of the funniest 8 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: openings of an article ever. By the way, did you 9 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: like it? I thought that very first part was hysterical 10 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: when I read it. Well, you know what, it just 11 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: so happens. I don't have an intro for this one, 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:40,480 Speaker 1: so I think you might want to read it. Should 13 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: we just read it? Yeah? Ed Grabanowski never lets us down. 14 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: He's good the Grabster h This is how duels work. 15 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen. Pistols at dawn. The challenge is issued. 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: To turn it down would leave you marked as a 17 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 1: coward for life. You meet at the chosen spot, facing 18 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: your opponent at a distance of twenty paces. You're dueling. 19 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: Pistols are loaded. One or both of you could be 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: severely wounded or killed. Today doctors are standing by them 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: in the damage if possible, while your friends eye each 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: other warily. Why is this all happening because you made 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:16,199 Speaker 1: fun of his hat? So good? That is about right too, 24 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: if we find out and the rest of the article, Yeah, 25 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: well done, Grabster. It's not much of an exaggeration. Apparently, 26 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: throughout the history of people or ever since, we've had 27 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: swords at least um men have challenged other men to 28 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: duels and other people have died as the result. You know, 29 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: I thought this is a great article. Um, I thought 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: so too. This is definitely something I knew like virtually 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: nothing about. Yeah, officially, me too. But I did find 32 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: out that things like uh while West duels shootouts very 33 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: very close to reality. Sure, they apparently happened to coincide 34 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: at a time when dueling was very popular in America, 35 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: and this kind of all it was. It was the 36 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: Old West version of Pistols at Dawn and um. As 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 1: an aside, probably the best dueling movie of all time, 38 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: The Quicken the Dead, The Quicken the Dead. It's exactly right. 39 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: If you have not seen that, pause, pause this podcast, 40 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: get off your treadmill, put your ice cream down, whatever 41 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: you're doing, go watch The Quicken the Dead. And then 42 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 1: come back and resume this podcast. Yeah. You know, what 43 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: I always appreciate about that movie was that there were 44 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: how many how many quick draw shootouts? Like, let's say 45 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 1: they were ten in the movie. Each one of them 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,519 Speaker 1: was different. He filmed him different and had a different 47 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: feel Like. I just thought that was so creative, like 48 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: each one had its own little flavor. That's our Sam Raymie. 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: He's so good man. I love that movie. Um, he's 50 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: got something new coming out, doesn't he? Mr Hollywood guy? 51 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: Come on, he's got something coming He's not doing the 52 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: New Spider Man. What's uh? I don't know. I think 53 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: he might be working on another Evil Dead, like a 54 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: modern remake the uptake, or he might just be producing that. 55 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: If he does that, then'll be the second time he's 56 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: remade The Evil Dead, and Well Dead two is a 57 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: remake of the Evil Dad. Yeah pretty much? Okay, Um, 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: so Chuck. A duel for anybody who doesn't know, is 59 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: basically a one on one battle, as is evidenced by 60 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: the etomology and apparently we said entomology before. I don't 61 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: know that. I don't like some eleven year old kid 62 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: called us out on that. I think he might have 63 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: misertus because I definitely know the difference between etomology and entomology. 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: Etomology etomology of the word duel is um. I think 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: Latin right, duello, I'm sorry, dwell um, which is a 66 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: contraction of a duo too and bellum war obviously antebellum 67 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: pre war. Okay, I never realized that, huh, okay, But 68 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: duo too. It's basically a war between two individuals is 69 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: a duel um and it's been around for quite a 70 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: long time. Um, I guess we should probably just get 71 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: to the get to the meat of it first. Let's 72 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: let's talk about duels and then we'll talk a little 73 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: bit about the history. Let's just throw down the gauntlet. 74 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: So somebody does throw down the gauntlet, and a gauntlet 75 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: is a glove. And when you throw down a gauntlet 76 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: at the feet of somebody that was at the height 77 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: of dueling, um enough to issue a challenge you and 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: I are going to try to kill one another for 79 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: a little bit. Were not necessarily we'll get to that. Um. 80 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: When you went to a duel, you had a second 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 1: which basically was the guy who came along a friend, 82 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: a trusted individual. Uh. It was it was like the 83 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: best man at your death. He was there to like 84 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: help you prepare your firearms or your sword. Um. He 85 00:04:38,360 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: was there to basically make sure you weren't ambushed. Um. 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 1: He was supposedly a neutral third party, a second um. 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: Supposedly uh and uh. Supposedly we would try to talk 88 00:04:51,839 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: talk it down and diffuse it. That was the first 89 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: role of the second But I don't know how much 90 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 1: I buy that. And Ed even points out, like more 91 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: times than not, the second way to actually fight the 92 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: other second and sometimes there was third and force that 93 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: would fight the other third en force. And that's I 94 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 1: looked at this as it's the same as like a 95 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: bar fight today. There's always usually like a friend nearby 96 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: that's you know, he's got your back, but it's really 97 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: between you and that jerk. But if things get out 98 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: of hand, he like gets a beer bottle all of 99 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: a sudden, then you get involved and his friend gets involved. 100 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: So it's sort of like that. I think, Yeah, if 101 00:05:29,200 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: he tries to get in the middle of the two things, 102 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: he ends up like River Phoenix at the end of 103 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 1: stand by Me and takes a knife to the neck 104 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: and dies in a bar that was so sad satis 105 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: ending a River Phoenix character. Let's say, since he really died, 106 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 1: then that's we should point that out. He had a 107 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: sad ending in real life as well. Um, So Chuck. 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: When you declared duel, you could use any weapon, but 109 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: for a very long time, basically all you had available 110 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: to you was a heavy sword. Yes, and you had 111 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: used the same weapon, and depending on what code of 112 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: dueling you were following, the challenger or challenge E would 113 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,839 Speaker 1: pick that weapon, right. Um, and you mentioned dueling codes. 114 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: There were several dueling codes and the one that became 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: the most widespread was the Dueling Code of seventeen seventy seven, 116 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 1: the Irish code UM, which is cited extensively in this article. 117 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: And I believe you're prepared to give everyone a treat 118 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: and read some of the rules from the code. Yeah, 119 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: the code Duello uh. It replaced um, the floss uh Duellatorium, 120 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 1: which was in the fourteen hundreds, the ill Duello in 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: fifteen fifty. Apparently the Germans had their own dueling code 122 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: which um it was set by the fect Schulen dueling schools. 123 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: Imagine there's was just because they were German. It was 124 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: probably a little more hardcore, although everything was pretty hardcore 125 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: back then. It was. But if you look at the 126 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: dueling codes um, a lot of the rules appear to 127 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: be set up so that you don't kill the other person. 128 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 1: The whole point of a duel is not to kill 129 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: the other person's to regain honor. Dueling is the result 130 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: of an insult. When somebody insults you and you challenge 131 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: them to a duel, you are seeking to say, I'm 132 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: going to get my satisfaction from you. Basically, you punked 133 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: me out in public, and that can't happen, that's another 134 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: way to put it, because I would be looked at 135 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: as a coward, and that would be a knock on 136 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: my family's and my ancestors honor. Even Yeah, you had 137 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: to protect the honor of your ancestors backwards and forwards 138 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: in in space or time on either side of you. 139 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: That's right, as I was saying, some of the uh, 140 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: some of the rules are intended to prevent harm or injury, 141 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: Like you see people like facing away from each other 142 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: and turning and firing. That was a designed so that 143 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 1: when you're using a clumsy seven teenth century firearm, Yeah, 144 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 1: the chances of you hitting anybody, but a bystander way 145 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: off in the distance is pretty low. Yeah. From what 146 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: I gathered after reading a handful of these rules is 147 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: that the Code Duello encouraged injury but not death. Yeah. 148 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 1: What they didn't encourage was purposefully uh firing in the air, 149 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: as sometimes happened when neither one of them really wanted 150 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: to get hurt. They didn't really like that because that 151 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: sort of takes all the the jotspah out of the 152 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: duel to begin with. You're very excited to read these rules, 153 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: aren't you jumping ahead a little bit? No? No No, no, 154 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: we're not there yet. Um. But one of the rules, 155 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: uh was that the winner could pretty much do whatever 156 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: they wanted it once you've won the duel. If let's 157 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: say there's an injury, you could kill him if you wanted. 158 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: You could just humiliate him if you wanted. You could 159 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: be a good guy and say, you know what, my 160 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 1: honor has been squashed. It's great, so, uh, let me 161 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: give you a hand up, a little buddy, and you're 162 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: a good person for doing that. I would say, so 163 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: I could see you totally doing that, Chuck. That wouldn't 164 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 1: I would have been that. There's no way I would 165 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: have been dueling to begin with. You you could also 166 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: cut the other person's head off after finishing them off, 167 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: or maybe finish them off by cutting his head off 168 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: and then posting it in a public place, right um. 169 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: I said also that the Irish code is very widespread, 170 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: so much so that this to me is one of 171 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: the facts of the podcast. It was reprinted in full 172 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: as part of the Midshipman's Handbook of the U. S. 173 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: Navy up until eighteen sixty two, when the Navy outlawed 174 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: or band dueling among officers. But up until that time, 175 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: it was like, hey, you're probably gonna get a duel 176 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: at some point in time, and here's what the Navy 177 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: says about that. And what the Navy says is what 178 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: the Irish saying. Women typically did not duel and when 179 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: they did, uh, it says in the article here it 180 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: was viewed on as an oddity and a strange, amusing spectacle, 181 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: which like Foxy boxing is today, well or the it's 182 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: kind of like the first catfights. Yeah, is that sexist totally? 183 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: But I mean that's what they that's apparently what they 184 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: they viewed duels among women as it was an amusement 185 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: for men because women are just so stupid. But that 186 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: that right, except except if you were dumb enough to 187 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: make uh that kind of judgment about Llamo pen Yeah, 188 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: you probably would have had your head cut clean off 189 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: your body. She was a genuine dueler swordswoman, and depending 190 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: on who you talked to, it's either her father who 191 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: trained her, or a lover who was a great fencer. 192 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: And uh, however, I think she liked the ladies as well, 193 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: because later in her life, after performing in bars and 194 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 1: a dressed as a man, but not to like say 195 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: hey I am a man. I think it was just like, hey, 196 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:51,959 Speaker 1: I'm more comfortable in these clothes. It's easier to move 197 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 1: in these clothes exactly. Um, she uh dug up the 198 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: corpse of a dead nun right put in the dorm room, 199 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: set that room on fire to take her own death 200 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: so she could escape the convent with her female lover. 201 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: She was a pretty uh progressive rock and chick back then. Yeah, 202 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: she was pretty cool. Um, and that was after she 203 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: retired from the opera Early Sea. Yeah, so she she 204 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: was pretty cool. No foxy boxing there, No, I don't 205 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: even know what that is. I haven't seen that. It's 206 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: exactly what it sounds like, yeah, it was kind of 207 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: big in the I think the eighties, maybe the seventies 208 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: of like just women like boxing one another, but not 209 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: really and then like it's it's incredibly sexist. There were 210 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: a lot of fights at my school, my high school. 211 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 1: I mean not like a lot, like it was a 212 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: rough of school, but it always struck me even as 213 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: a youngster that like, when guys would get in a fight, 214 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: it was always horrific, and then when girls would get 215 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: in a fight, the dudes would be sitting around laughing 216 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 1: at it. I saw a girl fight in high school 217 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: once that was really disturbing. It was more disturbing then 218 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: any guy fight I've ever seen because girls fight dirty. Yeah, 219 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: both of these girls were fighting very dirty. It was 220 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,440 Speaker 1: really horrible. M One of the I think like the 221 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: assistant principal jumped in and got like smacked around and 222 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: ended up backing off. Yeah, that was a bad fight. 223 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 1: So there was nothing funny about that one. No, not 224 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,960 Speaker 1: at all. And I mean, really, is there anything funny 225 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: about anybody fighting? No? I don't think so, unless it's like, 226 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, clowns, Yeah, clowns fighting, Yeah, that'd be funny. 227 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: Clown fight. That's hilarious unless one of them dies, that's right, 228 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: Uh chuck. So we mentioned that seconds are in charge 229 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: of issuing apologies, and you can't just go over and say, um, 230 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 1: hey man, guys, sorry, he'll never do it again. Can 231 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: he have his gauntlet back? That just doesn't work. There's standards, 232 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: there's rules to issuing an apology, and as I understand, 233 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: you're prepared to explain the rule from the Code Duello 234 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: for issuing apology. I think even it's rule number one, 235 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 1: very first rule, as it should be. Let's hear, the 236 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 1: first offense requires the first apology, though the retort may 237 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: have been more offensive than the insult. Example, A tells 238 00:13:11,320 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: B he is impertinent, ETCETERA B retorts that he lies. 239 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: Yet A must make the first apology because he gave 240 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:24,679 Speaker 1: the first offense, and then, after one fire, B may 241 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: explain away the retort by a subsequent apology. Very nice, 242 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you very much. Um. So, basically, no 243 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: matter how bad the retort is from the first insult, Yes, 244 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: whoever insults the other person first has to apologize first, 245 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 1: then they shooting one another, and then the second person 246 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: can apologize. Um. You also have rules to whether or 247 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: not or how a um an apology can be accepted, 248 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 1: or if an apology a verbal one is even worth 249 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: anything at all? What situation that is it? Won't you? 250 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: I point you to rule number five Josh as a 251 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: blow is strictly prohibited under any circumstances among gentlemen. So 252 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: no hitting, evidently, yeah no, Or if you do, that's it. Yeah, 253 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: there's no going back, No vertebal apology can be received 254 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: for such an insult. The alternatives therefore, the offender handing 255 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 1: a cane to the injured party to be used on 256 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: his own back at the shame time, begging pardon and 257 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: fightering on until one or both are disabled, or exchanging 258 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: three shots and then asking pardon without profit of the cane. 259 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: So if you wanted apology after smacking someone in the face, um, 260 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: but you didn't want the cane, you guys have just 261 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: shooted each other three times, or I imagine maybe deal 262 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: three blows with a sword. Right. But by this time 263 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: seventy seven firearms were all the rage for dueling, which 264 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: we'll get to. Um, so you've got to duel. All 265 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: the apologies have been either not offered or rejected, and 266 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: it's time for the due it's uh, there's certain etiquette, right. 267 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: You mentioned um that there's rules against not really doing 268 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: this wholeheartedly, Like if you're going to get into a duel, 269 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: you have to do it wholeheartedly as as far as 270 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: the code duelloh um is concerned. But this is also 271 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: one of the more frequently broken rules because most people 272 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: who were in duels didn't really want to die, and 273 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: they probably didn't want to kill the other person either, 274 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: because I imagine when you're in a duel with somebody 275 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: and that's your reality at that moment, and it's not 276 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: just some guys and powdered wigs out, you know, in 277 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: an apple tree, and it's avoid engraving or wood carving, 278 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: but it's really what's going on in your world. Right then, 279 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure you are acutely interested in not killing and 280 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: not dying at that moment. Yeah. I would applied them 281 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: with alcohol. I would have been the guy being like, 282 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: come on, man, you would have made a great second, 283 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: like can we just have this ale here and talk 284 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: it over and laugh about it? Right, it's an right, 285 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 1: but they took it way more seriously than So. There's 286 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: this rule that says, man, if you're going to get 287 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 1: in a duel, you have to do it all the way. 288 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: It's called Rule thirteen. No dumb shooting or fighting in 289 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: the air is admissiable. In any case, the challenger ought 290 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,840 Speaker 1: not to have challenge without receiving offense, and the challenged ought, 291 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: if he gave a finch, to have made an apology 292 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: before he came on the ground. Therefore, children's play must 293 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: be dishonorable on one side of the other end is 294 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: accordingly prohibited. Very nice. Um, so you've got all these 295 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: we need strickling Huh No, No, I think that's great. Okay. Um, 296 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: so so you you've got this rule that says you 297 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,239 Speaker 1: you do this all the way. But that's not necessarily 298 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 1: how a lot of duels worked. Um, guys would agree 299 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: ahead of time, like, hey, we're actually gonna do the duel, 300 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: but we'll both shoot into the air. Um, you don't 301 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: want an idea, which, which, by the way, is what happened, 302 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,920 Speaker 1: is how Alexander Hamilton died at the hands of the 303 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: treacherous Aaron Burr. Let's go ahead and talk about it. Well, 304 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: they were political rivals, they were both um, they were 305 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: in a law firm together, and that's where they first 306 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: learned to hate one another, and then they were in 307 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,640 Speaker 1: a very small country at the time. They were very 308 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: big fish in the same small pond um and things 309 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: got out of hand. And I can't remember who challenged 310 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: you to a duel, do you? Uh? Yes, it was 311 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: a series of insults. And this was at a time 312 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: where the losing presidential candidate would become vice president, which 313 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: could you imagine that these days? Yeah, they'd be pretty 314 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: awesome kind of. I think it'd be nice. It would. 315 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: It would temper things, it would. I guess it was 316 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: for balance of power. It was a consolation price, that's true. Uh, 317 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: So they disliked each other. There were a bunch of insults, 318 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: and Burr challenged Hamilton's in Weehawken, New Jersey, and uh 319 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: they're varying accounts um on what happened. But what we 320 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: do know that happened Hamilton's got shot, Bird didn't Whether 321 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:07,720 Speaker 1: or not Hamilton's fired in the air is a good guy, 322 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: that's what I heard, or got hit and was like 323 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: and fired up in the air. Never, it's debatable. Alexander 324 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,479 Speaker 1: Hamilton was a crack shot. You great timing. He had 325 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: catlike reflexes. Aaron Burr shot Hamilton's Hamilton's fired into the air. 326 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: Aaron Burr was actually, uh, I think arrested for murder, 327 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: wasn't he? He was charged with murder and basically acquitted 328 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,680 Speaker 1: in the end. But um, this is a time when 329 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: it was like kind of on the OLPs they were 330 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: beginning to outlaw dueling anyway, and it ruined his career, 331 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: basically ruined his political career. From that point, people are like, 332 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: who's on the twenty and by twenty, of course, I 333 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: mean who's on the tin? Yeah, Jackson's on the twenty, 334 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: but Alexander Hamilton's un stopped emailing. You've got nothing but 335 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: twenties though in your role, so that I can't even 336 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: tell him he's on the time. And did they even 337 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: make dollar bills? Um? So, chuck, let's get two seconds, 338 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: which again I wanted to say that, um oh before 339 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: I got ahead of ourselves. I'm sorry. Um. Also, you 340 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: should never duel at night. The only time when you 341 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,199 Speaker 1: can legitimately hold a duel at night, meaning that the 342 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 1: same night of the offense. Um, it was when the 343 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 1: person was going to be leaving town before daybreak. No 344 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 1: need to even read that one that speaks for itself, 345 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: and that makes good sense. Basically they're cooler. Heads prevailed 346 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: generally the next day, h which is a great rule 347 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: in marriage in life. I'm always a big fan of 348 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: sleep on it. Why don't we sleep on it? Yep, 349 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. But and but sometimes the wife will 350 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: still wake up just as angry the next day. It happens, 351 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: But most times the worst is waking up in the 352 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: middle of the night angry. Yeah. That's pretty bad when 353 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:50,240 Speaker 1: the rage is seething. Um, So, Chuck, do you want 354 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: to talk about seconds? Yes? Uh? Seconds Uh. They had 355 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: very specific rules for the role of the second Um. 356 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: They had to take care of the guns in the 357 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: same a and load in the presence of one another. 358 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: I can't shake the feeling that we're both in trouble. Um. 359 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: They would have to, like I said, load the guns 360 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: together and in front of each other, and the gun 361 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: was already agreed upon. Um. They have a smooth a 362 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: smooth boar. Yeah, and I think the rifle boar would 363 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: would be a more accurate, longer distance shot. So they said, 364 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: we can't use up. Yeah. It's like shot putting a 365 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: football or throwing it in a tight spiral, which one 366 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: is going to get further with more accuracy. Exactly. That 367 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: makes sense. But yeah, so you want to load in 368 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 1: the presence of one another, yeah, saying look, see the 369 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: boar smooth, and we're doing it right here so everyone 370 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: can see it. There are sports, everyone pay attention. And 371 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: we also mentioned how they are bound to offer or 372 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: to try to get an apology generated to avoid a duel. 373 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: They're supposed to according to the code UH and then 374 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: rule twenty five if if they can't come to any 375 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of resolution and the seconds clearly or eyeball on 376 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 1: one another, like oh dude, you're going down to it's 377 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: on between us. They had rules for that as well, 378 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: like rule where seconds disagree and resolved to exchange shots themselves. 379 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: It must be at the shame time and at right angles. 380 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: With their principles, I don't get the right angles thing. 381 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: How is that physically possible? I don't know. I took 382 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 1: that to mean they shoot from the same angle that 383 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: would be parallel, not right angle. Well, I don't think 384 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: it meant right angle in the geometric sense. I think 385 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: it meant the correct angle, as in the same angle. 386 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm wrong. Do you think it meant like geometry 387 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: I think the authors had put in a full day 388 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: by the time they got to this rule, or maybe 389 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: at right angles. That meant, if these two are shooting here, 390 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: then they have to shoot there. So they don't there's 391 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: no crossfire coming at them. Okay, so they make a square. 392 00:21:57,280 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll have to look into that um. 393 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: And then how do you know when a duels over, 394 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: especially when it doesn't necessarily result in the decapitation of one. 395 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 1: When you cut somebody's head off and posted on a 396 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,399 Speaker 1: pike in the town square, the duels over. But there's 397 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:16,560 Speaker 1: also more nuanced endings possible. Right rule number five if 398 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 1: Schauds are used, Mr Turbec, the parties engage until one 399 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: is well bloodied, disabled or disarmed, or until after receiving 400 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: a wound and blood being drawn, unless the unless the 401 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: person who's disabled insists that it's only a flesh point. Right, 402 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: he does have a Did you notice his his money 403 00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: Python reference in here? No, that's definitely not the only 404 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: article with the money Python reference from him. What is it? Well, 405 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: later on he's talking about how nobles weren't allowed to 406 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: work and they made money off of rent from their 407 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,159 Speaker 1: huge tracts of land. That's for money. By then, I 408 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 1: don't remember that part. Do you remember that she's got 409 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: huge tracts of land? I don't remember. That's a good part. 410 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,760 Speaker 1: Good for you for noticing that he's always sneaking them 411 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: in um. And also, any wounds sufficient to agitate the 412 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: nerves or make the handshake must end the business of 413 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: the day. I mean that would be that's kind of 414 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: a loose if you ask me. Yeah, but that does 415 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: mean that the duel is over. So that's uh. If 416 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: you if you want to know more, if you want 417 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: to know all the rules, you can get your hands 418 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: on a pre eighteen sixty two US Navy Midshipman's Handbook. 419 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: Apparently PBS has all of them as well on frontline site. 420 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: We don't. I'm sorry, um, but chuck. Dueling was for 421 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,959 Speaker 1: a very long time the pursuit of nobles right. As 422 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, it was used to differentiate nobles 423 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: from common people. Like in a lot of medieval Europe 424 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: European countries, Um, commoners weren't allowed to duel. It was out, 425 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 1: it was illegal. Yeah, and before gun that a lot 426 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 1: of commoners couldn't even afford swords because swords are expensive 427 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: to make and even more expensive than firearms once they 428 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: came around, so a lot of them couldn't duel in 429 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: the traditional sense, although the Grabster points out that there 430 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: were plenty of dual like circumstances among commoners too. It 431 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: was probably just the bar fight. You just can't let 432 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 1: the local fuzz find out what you're doing. Yes, and 433 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,359 Speaker 1: noblemen were expected to duel, right, and the whole point 434 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,719 Speaker 1: of dueling was the protection of honor. And honor as 435 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: a concept, as the Grabster points out, is is not 436 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: what we think of it today. Um. Honor is basically 437 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: like if you were rich, if you have a title, 438 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: if you are a member of an important family, you 439 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: have honor automatically it's attached to you. Yeah, it doesn't 440 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: mean that you were a good upstanding guy. It just 441 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: means like, this is your station in life. You were 442 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: you're blessed basically by being born rich and white. Exactly. 443 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 1: It's like the one percent um and you have honor. 444 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 1: And it's fragile, extremely at all times. Uh, it's prone 445 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: to be insulted at the drop of the drop of 446 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: a glove, especially, but even the drop of the hat. Um. 447 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: And not only is your honor at stake, but the 448 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: honor of your family for generations forward, generations backward, and 449 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: any schmow of noble rank um. I imagine if a 450 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: commoner came up and insulted your family, you just cut 451 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: their head off right there, and there's no duel. It's 452 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: just death for the commoner, right. But if another person 453 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: of nobility comes up and insult your family honor, then 454 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,840 Speaker 1: you say it's on. I challenge you to a duel. 455 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 1: At this point, and you've mentioned cowardice already, but at 456 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: this point, the other person has a choice. Very socially speaking, 457 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: they don't really have a choice that they do have 458 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: a choice. They can either accept the duel or they 459 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 1: can be a coward. And in the same vein, the 460 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: person whose honor is insulted has a choice. They can 461 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 1: either issue a challenge to a duel or they can 462 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,679 Speaker 1: let it slide. Either if you let it slide, or 463 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: you sure could duel, you're a coward. And that was 464 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: a big deal back then. Yeah, it wasn't just like, 465 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: you know, Jimmy's a sissy because he wouldn't fight me 466 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: at school. It was which haunts you for the rest 467 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: of your life. That's true, But your family was was insulted, 468 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: you could lose your honor, like they would take it 469 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: away legally sometimes, Um, they could publish an account of 470 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: it to the church who and you know in the 471 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: church they're gonna tell everybody you're a coward. Uh. It 472 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,680 Speaker 1: was not an abstract thing. Kings who would not uphold 473 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: their honor could lose their noble ranking. They would just 474 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: take it away. And you could actually be punished and 475 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: excommunicated and your voting rights revoked for cowardice, serious stuff. 476 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: Back then. You could also be imprisoned and killed and 477 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,640 Speaker 1: just it just generally bad things fed to dragons. Probably. 478 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if you could be killed. I just 479 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: I just said that, well, if a dragon's evening you, 480 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: you wish someone would kill you. A good point. Um, 481 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: So I think probably the whole this whole code, this 482 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: whole dueling code is and how refined it became was 483 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:10,959 Speaker 1: out of the frequency of dueling. Right. Yeah. Apparently, like 484 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,639 Speaker 1: you said, these people um sat around with their huge 485 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: tracts of land. Well they couldn't work. No, they like 486 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 1: you couldn't work if you wanted to work, you couldn't 487 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,720 Speaker 1: if you were of noble noble blood. Yeah, I mean, 488 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 1: you literally could not hold a job even if if 489 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 1: you're like if you found you were really good at something. 490 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: But I really like Blacksmith in making these these shoes, 491 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: these sports shoes. You're a nobleman, you have to make 492 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,000 Speaker 1: your money off of rent. So the end result of 493 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: that is after a lot of sitting around and uh 494 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: fox hunting and mead drinking, you get a little bored, 495 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: and so dueling kind of became a sport for board nobleman. Yeah, 496 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: these young guys are like, well, I got nothing better 497 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: to do, so let me go down to the pub 498 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,400 Speaker 1: and uh throw down the gauntlet on someone, or just 499 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: be really easy, really irritable to where anything that happens 500 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: to me. You bought me in the bar and like 501 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: all right, it's on, or you looked at my lady. 502 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: That was a big one. Yeah. Um, the other aspect 503 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 1: of it wasn't just boredom. It was also that you 504 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: were the better person in a field where you know, 505 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 1: there is a definite set hierarchy. Earls are equal to earls, 506 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:25,000 Speaker 1: and dukes equal to dukes, and viscounts equal to viscants, 507 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: um viceroys equal device rays. That whole kind of thing 508 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: I could continue, I don't. I can't continue. You called 509 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: my bluff, um. But this is a way to differentiate 510 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: yourself among your rank by saying I challenge you to duel, 511 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: and I won. And the reason that differentiates me is 512 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: not only am I the winner, but it means that 513 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: God favors me. And apparently that that was used that 514 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: was the predecessor to the legal systems we had today. Well, yeah, 515 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 1: let's let's get to this. This is the commoners, uh 516 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: would duel early on in the eleventh in twelve centuries um, 517 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 1: you would have trial by combat. Sometimes it was like 518 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: dunking a witch. Like if the witch floated, she was 519 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: a witch, and then she got burned out of the steak. 520 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: If she drowned, then she wasn't really a witch and 521 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: she was pure of heart. So if you win the duel, 522 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: then you're at in fact innocent of your crime. Yes, 523 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: because God favored the winner of the duel, and more importantly, 524 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: the guy who accused you was now dead, so you 525 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: must be innocent. Although you may also fight a court 526 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: appointed really professional duelists. That's awesome and I can't imagine 527 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,560 Speaker 1: beating that guy. Yeah, who would that? What was the 528 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: most Sky in the Max Mad Max three. Master Blaster. Yeah, 529 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: Master Blaster, you fight Master Blaster. Yeah you kill them. Boy, 530 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: what a reveal that was when they took off his mask. Yeah. 531 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: Powerful stuff. A lot of times, if you were good 532 00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: at dueling, you would just use it to get out 533 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: of stuff like, Hey, I don't want to pay this bill, 534 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: so let's duel about it, and that settle it. And 535 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: I know I'm really good with the swords, so you 536 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: don't stand a chance. Yeah, it's all over. Not just 537 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: um debts, but also like if you had a political rival, 538 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: um that later became really big in Missouri. Yes, Um, 539 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: if you wanted somebody's land, anything, anybody who who had 540 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: something you wanted or who you owed something to, you 541 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: could just challenge them to a duel, kill them in 542 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: their problem solved. This is one of the reasons why 543 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: I think that noble classes were eventually removed from the 544 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: face of the earth. Well, you mentioned Missouri. Between eighteen 545 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: sixteen and eighteen twenty four, the the elect territorial elections 546 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: became so fraught with dueling to get rid of your 547 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: rival that, um. The first governor of California, Peter Burnett, said, 548 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: Peter Burgh. Now Peter Burnett said it became desirable to 549 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: kill off certain aspirants to get them out of the way. 550 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: So in Missouri even just you know, killed the dude 551 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: before election day and you're all set. Yeah. Can you 552 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: imagine like new Ingrich and Mitt Romney dueling one another? No, 553 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 1: because no. Um, So you've got dueling evolving from early 554 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: legal uh an early legal system, to the board noble 555 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:24,800 Speaker 1: classes to the elimination of political rivals. Um. And it 556 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 1: comes from even further back than that though, like the duel, 557 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: the idea of one person battling another person in some 558 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 1: sort of combat and a formal rule driven way grabs 559 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 1: her goes back to jostin competitions in the Middle Ages, 560 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 1: I think, go back to glatutorial combat further back than that. 561 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: But um, in Europe, in western Europe, northwestern Europe, it 562 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: came from jousting, right, Yeah, And it makes sense to me, uh, 563 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: Like you said, the joust is pretty much a duel 564 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: on horseback. Then you had the chivalric code, which sort 565 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,920 Speaker 1: of lines up with the code of the duel. And 566 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: also you skipped right past what to me is one 567 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: of the facts of the podcast. Oh no, I didn't 568 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: know was coming. Go ahead, you go ahead. Well when nights, uh, 569 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: only uh, noble noblemen were allowed to be knights and 570 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: to joust against one another. So they would raise their 571 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: visor at the beginning to say, hey, look at me, 572 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm not just sending along my assistant, who's a lot 573 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: better at this than I am, as Heath Ledger did, 574 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: As Heath Ledger did. What what was that first night? Yeah, 575 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: that's a good movie, that's all right. Uh. So they 576 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 1: would reveal their identities, and that josh, as you know, 577 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: was evolved into the military salute. Years later, the lift 578 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: of the visor evolved into that the hand. I guess 579 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: pretty cool, very cool. Um. Eventually, though, firearms came around 580 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: and they found that yeah, these incredibly heavy suits of 581 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: armor that can protect you even from a joust. Generally, um, 582 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 1: are no match for this. Must get the smooth board, 583 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: must get with terrible aim and accuracy, which if it'll 584 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: kill you. Yeah. In our night's podcast, that was kind 585 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: of the end of the night exactly. It was also 586 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: what the end of Samurai. Yeah, guns ruined everything. Yeah, 587 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: well they changed everything for the worst. Um, and then 588 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: you have uh as a result, the no no More 589 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: need for a heavy sword because there's no need for armor. 590 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: Armor doesn't work, no heavy swords, which they do. An 591 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: evolution and sword making, and you have, at least in Europe. 592 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: I think Japan already had far lighter, more better swords. 593 00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:40,480 Speaker 1: But um in the West. The evolution of swords led 594 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,480 Speaker 1: to the sport of fencing as a direct result of 595 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: dueling and the loss of armor, and it became more contest, 596 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: especially after the Italian said, I don't want to die. 597 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: Let's put a little put a little rubber tip on 598 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: the internet. My sister was in defencing. Call interesting, old sister. 599 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: I've always uh, I've always wanted to try that. Well, 600 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: I think you should go to town. You could take classes, right, totally. 601 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: I think it's a kind of expensive startup. Sure, like 602 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: the whole get up in in a decent sword and 603 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: all that, but a foil if in the vernacular. But 604 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,839 Speaker 1: I'm I'm sure once you got all that stuff, you're fine. Yeah. 605 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: That would end up being like my venture into ice hockey, 606 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: though I could just end up having a closet full 607 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: of gear really ever gets used. I didn't know you're 608 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: in the hockey. I was at one point, uh, mid twenties. Yeah, 609 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: I learned how to ice skate pretty well, and then 610 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: me and all my friends got hockey gear and we're like, hey, 611 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: let's play, and uh, that was pretty much where it ended. Yeah, pistols, 612 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,319 Speaker 1: so Josh, and when did you get into pistols? Well no, no, no, 613 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: I didn't get into pistols ever. But um, when pistols 614 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: came along, basically leveled the playing field because pistols are 615 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: actually cheaper than swords and cheaper than getting trained and fencing. 616 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,239 Speaker 1: You can just practice shooting, you know, coke cans in 617 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: the backyard. So all of a sudden, it democratize it. 618 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,320 Speaker 1: It was no longer the sport of noblemen because anyone 619 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: could do it right. And this is a time when um, 620 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: the word cocktail was invented to describe the strong drink 621 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 1: you had in the morning, like an old fashioned um. 622 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: So America was super drunk. So dueling seemed like a 623 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: really good idea, and it took off as a sport, well, 624 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: not as a sport, but basically as a as a 625 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 1: socially accepted pastime because America doesn't have kings or dukes 626 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,880 Speaker 1: or anything, and there are a lot of guns at 627 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: the time, and everybody started shooting one another in duels well, 628 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: which is one of the big reasons dueling began to die. Uh, 629 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 1: I thought, and it pointed out that I was wrong. 630 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: I thought it maybe because people called forward the end 631 00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,480 Speaker 1: of it and said, you know, this is wrong, we 632 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:53,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing this. But since dueling began, the church 633 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: and other legal bodies said said, we don't like this 634 00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: because it takes the Uh it kind of cripples I 635 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,839 Speaker 1: leegal stim because you're taking into your own hands. And 636 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,520 Speaker 1: the church didn't like it. They were like, we want 637 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: to judge these people on their crimes. And it also 638 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: kind of violates one of the big bigger commandments. Absolutely 639 00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: forget about the crusades for that one. But sure. Uh. 640 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 1: Military leaders didn't like it because it was killing off 641 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: able young bodied men. Yeah, and then later on war itself, 642 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: like the Civil War and the First World War really 643 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: were like, hey, there's more serious things going on. People 644 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,120 Speaker 1: really die in battle, like it sort of became a 645 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: bit of fools undertaking. Well what I understand. I think 646 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: it also hit home to the horrors of combat, made 647 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: people not want to kill one another as much like 648 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: real deal combat. Yeah, and the Civil War and the 649 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,480 Speaker 1: First World War. Like you said, we're linked to declines 650 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:55,720 Speaker 1: in the US and Europe respectively of dueling. Um and 651 00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: there's I guess also one of the other reasons dueling 652 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: declined was because when it was exposed to the male classes, 653 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 1: it wasn't just super rich people killing each other anymore, 654 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,759 Speaker 1: which was the original purpose, which is why the lower 655 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,440 Speaker 1: classes were like, who cares? Dueling is fine, Go, that's fine, 656 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: We're doing our own thing. And then once it's, like 657 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: you said, democratized and spread to the middle and lower classes, 658 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:22,359 Speaker 1: it became a problem. And then eventually it was we 659 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,520 Speaker 1: were left with dueling banjo's and that was about as 660 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:27,600 Speaker 1: serious as it got. I think that that is an 661 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: excellent way to end this podcast. Dude, you got you can't. 662 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,279 Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna ask if you have an anything more. 663 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about dueling and you 664 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: want to see some of these cool rules, you can 665 00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,240 Speaker 1: type duel into the search bar at how stuff works 666 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: dot com. Yeah, and I said search bar, which means 667 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail. WHOA. I'm gonna say 668 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: whoa from now on, apparently, Chuck, Before we do listener mail, 669 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,720 Speaker 1: we should announce our big south By Southwest extrap agans 670 00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: two days two days in March, we'll call it Okay 671 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 1: March eleven, we will be live podcasting and this is 672 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: for south By Southwest attendees and badge holders only. Unfortunately, 673 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: uh Driscoll Hotel, Maximilian Room, three pm, Live podcast done. 674 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: What's happened in the next day. The next day from 675 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,880 Speaker 1: five to nine at Fidough Irish Pub at to fourteen 676 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: West fourth Street in Austin, we are going to be 677 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: having a stuff you Should Know variety show. It's open 678 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 1: to the public. You don't have to be a badge holder, 679 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: free note cover and as a matter of fact, if 680 00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,960 Speaker 1: you were on the first hundred people through the door, 681 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,919 Speaker 1: you get a free ticket for a free drink. That's right, yeah. Um. 682 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 1: And this is going to feature the likes of Hodgement, 683 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: Eugene Merman's gonna do some stand up for us, the 684 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,719 Speaker 1: musical stylings of Lucy Waywright Roach who plays Jerry in 685 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:51,319 Speaker 1: our TV pilot which you're gonna premiere. Um and let's 686 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: see Crooks local Austin Man. And then the Henry Clay 687 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:56,200 Speaker 1: people are going to play some music as well. And 688 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: again we're gonna be showing clips from our TV pilot 689 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: that's going to air a science channel, and this is 690 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: the public debut. That's right. So if you are in 691 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,799 Speaker 1: the just let's just say the west from Texas to California, 692 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: or actually you could go from the east. Just make 693 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,600 Speaker 1: a point to be there. That's all I'm saying. You 694 00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: can crash on my floor. Actually you can't, but you 695 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,000 Speaker 1: can crash in your van. All right, back to it, Okay, yeah, Josh, 696 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 1: this is a shout out. Remember Joanne uh stand alonis 697 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: who nominated us to get nominated for a Grammy Award. 698 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: Grammy nominated, nominated, Right, we didn't make it because we're 699 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,439 Speaker 1: not a celebrity reading our autopography, which is the only 700 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,120 Speaker 1: people who get nominated for spoken word. I'm we're not um. 701 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,760 Speaker 1: But Joanne is the founder and CEO of the Amazon Institute, 702 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: which we've talked about before, and she's doing a lot 703 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: of great work to help preserve the Amazon uh it 704 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,720 Speaker 1: is Amazon Institute dot com. And they're having a little 705 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:59,280 Speaker 1: contest where you can win two round trip tickets to Bogata, Columbia, 706 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: And this is how you do it. You go to 707 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: Amazon Institute dot com. Any listener who wants to can 708 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:09,719 Speaker 1: participate by clicking our projects in the navigation bar. And 709 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: basically what you do is create a page on razoo 710 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: dot com to fundraise for them, and between now and 711 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: the end of June, June at midnight Eastern, the page 712 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: with the most funds gets to choose between two round 713 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:26,279 Speaker 1: trip flights to Bogata or one ticket to travel with 714 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,560 Speaker 1: her as your guide. Um, and it just covers air fare, 715 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: but she says, they'll hook you up with all the 716 00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,880 Speaker 1: information and cheap places to stay and um, flights depart 717 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: you've got to be over eighteen flights depart from New 718 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: York A see Port Lauderdale, Miami. I guess only okay 719 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: because they are limitations and you can always get a 720 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: connection to one of those cities. And travel dates are 721 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: August through December of this year. Tickets provided by Avianca 722 00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: Airlines and uh they use Razoo because it's very transparent. 723 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 1: You can see where all the money is going. Very cool. 724 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: So Joanne, thank you for your participation with our show. Yeah, 725 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: we appreciate and with the Amazon Institute and uh go 726 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 1: out and win tickets to Columbia. People give them the 727 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,680 Speaker 1: give them the website again it is Amazon Institute dot 728 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: com and you create a page to help them raise 729 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,200 Speaker 1: money on Razu. What's the tab that you click our 730 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,959 Speaker 1: projects and you could win a trip well. As always Chuck, 731 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: remember we put out the word for um NGOs and 732 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: nonprofits who need a good plug. We're always looking for those. 733 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:40,520 Speaker 1: Um Yeah, we want to hear about them. 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