Speaker 1: Do you want to do it?
Speaker 2: You want me to do it, you can do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay. We are here at the at the building
Speaker 3: where the parle hearing is going to be taking place.
Speaker 3: It is eight forty six. I think Leo's case is
Speaker 3: going to be heard around ten. Yeah, and I'm right
Speaker 3: here with Gilbert to Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we should sit in the back this time.
Speaker 3: Oh, I will need to be right by the podium.
Speaker 3: So make sure next is fine, okay, no problem this, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: So we're at the break here. They've give him like
Speaker 2: a five minute break, and I think the Schoolfield case
Speaker 2: will be called very first next. Everybody seems to be here.
Speaker 2: Cup is ready, some people from CDP. Chrissy is here,
Speaker 2: and Jacob Orr will also be I'm here speaking for
Speaker 2: the state in the tenth I'm not sure if anybody's
Speaker 2: going to be calling in from the Saum families. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. But that's about all we know right now.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Good morning everyone. It's ten thirty five am.
Speaker 1: We're back on the record. This is Melinda Kunrod with
Speaker 1: the Commission on a Fender review. I'm joining with Commissioner
Speaker 1: Davison and Commissioner Whitant we're about to start the full
Speaker 1: portion of the docket. We're all free. Commissioners will be voting.
Speaker 1: The first case that we're calling is Item twenty two
Speaker 1: on page twelve, Leo Schofield. This is an effective interview
Speaker 1: that was conducted on March twenty seven, twenty twenty Ford
Speaker 1: Everglades CI the investigators recommending parole. Good morning, Jods, we'd
Speaker 1: be happy here for you.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Commissioner. It's my name is Scott Kopp. I'm
Speaker 4: the attorney for Leo Schofield. I'm not going to say
Speaker 4: much until the end. Want I want some folks that
Speaker 4: mean a lot to Leo who are present. There's three
Speaker 4: that are present. They're going to speak first. I'd like
Speaker 4: to call Sergeant Simmons.
Speaker 5: Good morning.
Speaker 6: My name is Sergeant James Simmons. I'm currently employed at
Speaker 6: Jefferson Correctional Institution. I've been with the department twenty eight years.
Speaker 6: Of those twenty eight years, I've known Leo Schofield for
Speaker 6: twenty seven of those years. Of them twenty seven years,
Speaker 6: me and Leal Scofield has worked together for the last
Speaker 6: ten years. Lei Schofield was a great inmate at Hardy
Speaker 6: Correction to institution. He was a great assets there. I
Speaker 6: know Mm Schofield had took the theology class to earn
Speaker 6: a degree in that. I know he had a large
Speaker 6: Bible class.
Speaker 5: He also helped me.
Speaker 6: In the locke and key department. I was the lock
Speaker 6: and key sergeant. He was my orderly. One day we
Speaker 6: were working pulling a lockout and I was a real
Speaker 6: bad diabetic blushuger dropped as I was falling forward. They
Speaker 6: tell me that Leo Scofield caught me before I hit
Speaker 6: the concrete floor and placed me in a chair, and
Speaker 6: he knew I was a bad diabetic, and he took
Speaker 6: the meter out of my pocket and placed it on
Speaker 6: my device to see what my blood sugar was and
Speaker 6: it was very low. And he got me medical attention
Speaker 6: quickly and got me some staff in there to help
Speaker 6: me out. And to this day I am very thankful
Speaker 6: Leo Scofield was there to help me. I know Leo
Speaker 6: Schofield has a great support staff with his wife and
Speaker 6: daughter and other family members. In my professional opinion before that,
Speaker 6: Leo Schofield make a great candidate for Parot.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sergeant, Thank you for your service.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Sergeant David Welch.
Speaker 7: Good morning, Donald, Commissioner's med Him, Chair Commissioner Davidson, Commissioner Wyatt.
Speaker 7: I stand before you today on behalf of Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: because this is the case that I know in and out,
Speaker 7: because I met Leo when I was seventeen years old
Speaker 7: when I first entered Department of Corrections. Leo Schofield met
Speaker 7: me off the bus when I was there, scared, didn't
Speaker 7: know where I was going to go, what I was
Speaker 7: going to do, what to do with my life from
Speaker 7: then on, just received a natural life sentence at that point,
Speaker 7: with a possibility of pro after twenty five years. I
Speaker 7: am grateful for the grace of Parol. I'm a proud
Speaker 7: member of CTP. But Leo Schofield was an educational clerk
Speaker 7: back then. This was in nineteen ninety four. Again, I
Speaker 7: was seventeen years old. I'm now forty seven. Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: told me when I first met him I was going
Speaker 7: through orientation process that I could do my time a
Speaker 7: couple of ways. I could be like others and just
Speaker 7: go play poker, play basketball and run around the reck
Speaker 7: yard and waste my life. Or I could make the
Speaker 7: best of it and that's what I did. He got
Speaker 7: me an education as an orderly So from then on
Speaker 7: I got my GED. I actually graduated, got my GED
Speaker 7: before I would have graduated high school on the street.
Speaker 7: From then on he continued to encourage me and impress
Speaker 7: me to go into vocational trades. So that started me
Speaker 7: on the bath that ultimately led me to be here
Speaker 7: in front of you today, to do my time wisely,
Speaker 7: to take advantage of opportunities to get in education and
Speaker 7: to do something with my life. Leo Schofield also signed
Speaker 7: me up for Chiro's Prison Ministry. I went through a
Speaker 7: Chiros retreat there. Didn't know anything about Chiros, but Leo
Speaker 7: signed me up for that and told me it would
Speaker 7: be something good for my life. That in turn changed
Speaker 7: my life because it's surrendered my life to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7: And from then on now today I stand before you.
Speaker 7: Haven't been released, haven't been terminated from Parol. I'm now
Speaker 7: the chair of Chiro's Prison Ministries at Avon Parks CI.
Speaker 7: In fact, tomorrow I have thirty six men that are
Speaker 7: under me that I'll be leading in to do Chiros
Speaker 7: fifty seven at Avon Park. So from then on, from
Speaker 7: the very first time I met Leo until today, I
Speaker 7: am now a still citizen volunteer. I go back into
Speaker 7: the prisons every month. I'm leading Chiros fifty seven next month.
Speaker 7: And the education I received because of the influence of
Speaker 7: mister Leo Schofield when I first met him as a teenager.
Speaker 7: I've known him for thirty years. His character demeanor have
Speaker 7: never changed one bit, and I just know, out of
Speaker 7: all respect to the offense and the life that was
Speaker 7: lost in this case, Leo Schofield is not a threat
Speaker 7: to society in any kind of way. If Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: is released, I can guarantee you that I will be
Speaker 7: there for him in Tampa at Noah's house. I can
Speaker 7: guarantee you that he will participate in CTP programs and
Speaker 7: also be here in Tallahausee to represent others. Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: will be a benefit if you guys are give him
Speaker 7: the grace of prol today. I'm just simply asking, as
Speaker 7: someone that knows him for a long time, to give
Speaker 7: him that chance, because I believe in Leo Schofield. I
Speaker 7: know as the only request that you guys asked of
Speaker 7: me to not let you down. Leo Schofield likewise will
Speaker 7: not let you down if you're grind the Groce pro.
Speaker 7: Thank you for a looting me to speak.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Welch.
Speaker 5: Thank you. Jeff Reuter.
Speaker 8: My name is Jeffrey Reuter, CTP Alumni, Noah's House Community Outreach,
Speaker 8: House Coordinator, Commissioner, Kunrod, Commissioner, Dason Commissioner. Why. I've known
Speaker 8: Leo for well over a decade. We were students together
Speaker 8: in numerous classes. We facilitated classes together, we lived in
Speaker 8: the dorm together, we got recreation together. We just lived
Speaker 8: in prison together. And I know firsthand what that involves.
Speaker 8: And Leo was always he always stayed the course and
Speaker 8: no matter what came at as he had a clear
Speaker 8: head and solid judgment. This is a very unique case,
Speaker 8: and I know that Leo's heart goes out to his wife, Michelle.
Speaker 8: Our hearts go out to Michelle and her families. So
Speaker 8: Leo is very mindful that as well. He worked first
Speaker 8: hand with me with the Peyton Tutthill and Peyton Tudhill
Speaker 8: Foundation and Miss Tutthill. He recorded a record for her,
Speaker 8: turned over, recorded a whole record, turned over copyrighted the
Speaker 8: record and then sent the record to Miss Tuthill where
Speaker 8: recorded that music at Hearty CI and now that's part
Speaker 8: of the foundation's story where they actually helped raise his
Speaker 8: money for the children of scholarship victims. I know that
Speaker 8: we're not here to determine guilt or innocence, but ken Leo,
Speaker 8: pursuing to nine forty seven, can Leo conducted himself as
Speaker 8: a citizen, as a free citizen, as a responsible citizen.
Speaker 8: And I submit that he can. Pastor Tony Parker and
Speaker 8: I from Noah's Community Outreach, we've been talking about Leo
Speaker 8: for the past two weeks. There's a brand new house
Speaker 8: at Noah's House. There's four guys in it right now.
Speaker 8: Gregory Samuels, who was released yesterday, was the newest guy
Speaker 8: in the house. He came yesterday. So we have a
Speaker 8: bed for Leo at the new house where I'm the
Speaker 8: coordinator at that house. We have an all star team there.
Speaker 8: We will help lead and guide Leo post release if
Speaker 8: you grant him grace today, and that is my humble request,
Speaker 8: would you please grant Leo grace today? Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure who's on the phone from.
Speaker 5: CTP, but you got about a minute.
Speaker 9: Could you pick one person to speak.
Speaker 10: Please yeah, good morning, Convintions Choy Martin, thank you, missus,
Speaker 10: Missus Coonroh, and Missus Davis and mister Waynet. Thanks for
Speaker 10: the opportunity to speak on Leo's behalf. My condoc is
Speaker 10: to the victim, Michelle and her family as well. I
Speaker 10: need to be met Leo in October two thousand and
Speaker 10: two at South Bay where he taught and played guitar
Speaker 10: in the chapels. In the choirt, Leo also taught guys
Speaker 10: to play the guitar. He continues to do so today
Speaker 10: in CTP. I see him on a weekly basis. He's
Speaker 10: thriving in the program. I believe it was a group
Speaker 10: called the Old Jays that sang a song that says
Speaker 10: I love music. I want to say to you today
Speaker 10: with all due respect, that Leo loves music as well,
Speaker 10: and he loves it so much that he's willing to
Speaker 10: give his time and energy to help others learn to
Speaker 10: play the guitar and have a love for music as well.
Speaker 10: I believe that he's an excellent candidate for parole, and
Speaker 10: I believe that he is epitome of a model prisoner
Speaker 10: that would translate into being successful citizen. And society. I
Speaker 10: respectfully request that you parole him today. Thank you for
Speaker 10: your time of consideration.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to Labor commissioners what you already know.
Speaker 4: We've had our meetings you for view to pack it.
Speaker 4: I think you pretty much know what you want to do,
Speaker 4: and I suspect you're going to do the right thing,
Speaker 4: and I trust you to do that. I can't say
Speaker 4: more than what these men have said and what you've read.
Speaker 4: Leo has continued to achieve and exceed expectations wherever he's
Speaker 4: been the one thing I do want to address, if
Speaker 4: you do grant him parole, which I believe you're going
Speaker 4: to do, I want to address the walkout date, because
Speaker 4: it's very important. It's very important to Leo, it's very
Speaker 4: important to all of us. He needs to go as
Speaker 4: soon as possible. Thirteen days. He needs to go April thirtieth,
Speaker 4: not in June, not two more months. If that becomes
Speaker 4: the walkout date, that, in my opinion, is merely punitive.
Speaker 4: It serves no purpose whatsoever with that. I'll turn the
Speaker 4: podium over to the state.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Now we're going to move to
Speaker 1: those in opposition. Mister Orr is here and do we
Speaker 1: have anyone online wishing to speak? If so, pressed our
Speaker 1: six go, oh, good morning. Are you speaking on the
Speaker 1: Schofield case?
Speaker 11: Yes, but I'm not in opposition. I'm his brother. I
Speaker 11: tried to call in last year and I wasn't able
Speaker 11: to talk. I just wanted to say that my brother
Speaker 11: has been he's been doing a lot of great things
Speaker 11: in prison, but he was doing a lot of great
Speaker 11: things before he went to prison. I didn't have much
Speaker 11: of a father, so he basically raised me. And I
Speaker 11: just wanted to be there for him for whenever I could,
Speaker 11: because I know he's a good man, a good person,
Speaker 11: and he's one of the only reasons why I've been
Speaker 11: able to make it through this life. And I just
Speaker 11: wanted to I just wanted to say thank you for
Speaker 11: an opportunity to get him out of prison. And I
Speaker 11: pray that you guys do the right thing today. And
Speaker 11: that's all I ask.
Speaker 1: And what is your name?
Speaker 11: My name is Jason Schofield.
Speaker 1: All thank you, all right, mister Orr from you, Good morning, commissioners.
Speaker 1: Good morning.
Speaker 12: My name is Jake or I'm an assistant state attorney
Speaker 12: in the tenth Judicial Circuit. It's good to be with you. Again.
Speaker 12: Last year, I addressed you regarding this case, and I
Speaker 12: told you then that you cannot pursue justice without first
Speaker 12: pursuing truth. And I believe that to be a true statement,
Speaker 12: and I think that it has a particular relevance in
Speaker 12: this case. The reason being there's been a whole lot
Speaker 12: of media attention. As you know, there's been TV shows,
Speaker 12: print media, multiple multiple episode podcasts, and I'm reading that
Speaker 12: there's going to be more. There's going to be a
Speaker 12: TV drama series maybe, and some sort of novels in
Speaker 12: the works. It's all very entertaining and in truth, it's
Speaker 12: an interesting case. I'm not going to go into all
Speaker 12: the facts because I think you're kind of I'm familiar
Speaker 12: with some of them, but it's a circumstantial case, lots
Speaker 12: of twists and turns, and the storytelling related to it
Speaker 12: has been outstanding. However, the truth telling has been unacceptable.
Speaker 12: An example of that that involves this commission happened in
Speaker 12: May of twenty twenty when Jerry Hill addressed you regarding
Speaker 12: the case. Mister Hill recited certain facts of the case,
Speaker 12: including going into who found the body in this case,
Speaker 12: and I've pulled the transcript and I just want to
Speaker 12: read a couple things that mister Hill told you. He
Speaker 12: told you quote Missus Schofield's body was discovered in the
Speaker 12: canal located in a hilly wooded area on the morning
Speaker 12: of February twenty seventh, eighty seven, by Leo Schofield Senior.
Speaker 4: Close quote.
Speaker 12: Later in his presentation, mister Hill told you that Leo
Speaker 12: was driven by an inter force and he said he
Speaker 12: felt drawn to that area and felt Michelle was calling
Speaker 12: out to him. He said he had told Detective Russell,
Speaker 12: and I'm still quoting here, told Detective Russell that his
Speaker 12: daughter in law was within a certain distance. Now, the
Speaker 12: podcast that's got the most attention covering this case covered
Speaker 12: that hearing in twenty twenty. They even used some of
Speaker 12: the audio, but they got it wrong. They edited out
Speaker 12: mister Hill telling you that the body was found by
Speaker 12: Schofield Senior. They edited out mister Hill telling you that
Speaker 12: he was searching for his daughter in law. They played
Speaker 12: select clips about Leo searching, and then the narrator came
Speaker 12: in and said said this, Jerry Hill gets it wrong
Speaker 12: in a major way. The narrator stated that Jerry Hill
Speaker 12: made it sound like the body was found by the defendant,
Speaker 12: Leo Schofield Junior. Now take a minute and focus on
Speaker 12: that reporting. Obviously that's not what happened you were here.
Speaker 12: But it's worse than that, because this is not argumentative
Speaker 12: argument or interpretation of facts of the record. It's it's
Speaker 12: not a narrative told from a particular point of view
Speaker 12: that is one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of what
Speaker 12: happened in front of it. It's false. This should cause
Speaker 12: concern for anybody that thinks they know facts about this
Speaker 12: case because they heard a podcast, read something on social
Speaker 12: media or the internet, or even a newspaper article. Because
Speaker 12: good storytellers have picked up this case and they've told
Speaker 12: stories that are incomplete, that misrepresent the actual evidence in
Speaker 12: the case, and sometimes are false, you are reading, or
Speaker 12: more likely hearing, a very compelling story that has no
Speaker 12: fidelity to the truth. Today, we've gone through one black
Speaker 12: and white example that involved this commission, but there are many,
Speaker 12: many others when you get into the facts of the case. Now,
Speaker 12: why am I telling you this? Why is it relevant
Speaker 12: to today? Because my one ask of you is, whatever
Speaker 12: decision you make, don't base it on some sensational media
Speaker 12: accounts that are set to dramatic music. Base it on
Speaker 12: truth in the criminal justice system, trial courts, appellate court's
Speaker 12: parole commission, whatever it is, it's of the utmost importance
Speaker 12: that we always pursue truth because it's our only chance
Speaker 12: at pursuing justice. This case has been reviewed by multiple courts,
Speaker 12: multiple trial judges, multiple panels of appellate judges for over
Speaker 12: thirty years, and there's a difference between what they do
Speaker 12: in those reviews and the entertainment industry. In the court,
Speaker 12: you can't edit out the facts you don't like. You
Speaker 12: can't edit the facts to fit your storyline. What those
Speaker 12: judges have done has reviewed this case based on the
Speaker 12: actual transcript, the actual evidence, and the law, and in
Speaker 12: all those reviews, every time they've determined there is sufficient
Speaker 12: evidence to support this conviction. Now, in the interest of fairness,
Speaker 12: I think it's important that I also tell you that
Speaker 12: I'm not telling you about those falsehoods in the media
Speaker 12: for you to hold them against mister Schofield. That's not
Speaker 12: my intention. He did not write those stories, he didn't
Speaker 12: edit the audio. I told you about those falsehoods so
Speaker 12: you could focus on the truth. And truth is from
Speaker 12: what I know he's been an outstanding inmate. Sounds like
Speaker 12: it's got an incredible support system, and you should consider
Speaker 12: all that. I also know that you should consider that
Speaker 12: he was convicted of a terribly violent crime, and you
Speaker 12: know that you must use caution before you release such
Speaker 12: an individually. I guess what I'm saying is, in the end,
Speaker 12: if you determine that justice requires he be parolled or
Speaker 12: not based on an honest review of the evidence, the law,
Speaker 12: the time he's served, and all the factors that you
Speaker 12: would consider in any other case, and you do that
Speaker 12: with an honest review, then justice will be served. That's
Speaker 12: all anyone could ever ask of you. You have a
Speaker 12: tough job. I thank you for your service to our state,
Speaker 12: and I thank you for your time this morning.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Miss jore. Do we have either Ricky or
Speaker 1: Jesse Soum online? If so, ProStar six and Muture film
Speaker 1: all right here, and then we'll perceive that the vote
Speaker 1: is starting with mister Dason.
Speaker 5: In the matter of Leo Schofield.
Speaker 13: I've had the opportunity to review this case, and it's entirety.
Speaker 13: I've listened very closely to the testimony in support as
Speaker 13: well as the testimony in opposition here today. Today is
Speaker 13: not the first aid that I've had the opptinnity to
Speaker 13: give input into this case. The last time this case
Speaker 13: was before us, my vote was to extend mister Schofield's
Speaker 13: ppr D by twenty four months and to refer him
Speaker 13: to the Corrections Transition Program at the Everglades Correctional Institution.
Speaker 13: How real, the vote of this commission was to extend
Speaker 13: by twelve months, which was set the new ppr D
Speaker 13: at June twenty five, twenty twenty four, and in agreement
Speaker 13: to refer mister Scholfield to the Corrections Transition Program at
Speaker 13: the Everglades Correctional Institution. Since that time, mister Scholfield has
Speaker 13: participated in the CTP program, has done well, and I
Speaker 13: think that he has greatly benefited from his time there.
Speaker 13: I think that he will continue to benefit from his
Speaker 13: time in the corrections Transition program if he continues to
Speaker 13: serve until the PPRD date that this commission set, which
Speaker 13: is June twenty five, twenty twenty four. So I know
Speaker 13: that there was some question here about a walkout date,
Speaker 13: and I think that that walkout date should be consistent
Speaker 13: with the PPRD that this commission set less than a
Speaker 13: year ago. That datea is not punitive. That date is
Speaker 13: necessary for moving mister Scholfield toward a successful parole if
Speaker 13: he has paroled here today.
Speaker 5: So as mister Orr has requested my.
Speaker 13: Honest review of this case, and that is my honest
Speaker 13: review of this case. So my vote here today is
Speaker 13: not a question of guilt or innocence. That is the
Speaker 13: province of the judicial system. This case has been litigated
Speaker 13: both in the trial as well as the appella arenas,
Speaker 13: and that determination is that mister Scholfield is guilty.
Speaker 5: Of first degree murder. Today, my vote is.
Speaker 13: To parole mister Scholfield to the max on June twenty five,
Speaker 13: twenty twenty four, Terms four and five.
Speaker 1: Thank you Commissioner.
Speaker 14: White, Thank you man, Thank you all for here testimony
Speaker 14: today as it relates to mister Schofield, and I too
Speaker 14: have reviewed this case as a and I'm familiar with
Speaker 14: the case. I've had meetings regarding the case, and during
Speaker 14: the last Commission action I stressed the importance of programming.
Speaker 14: Mister Schofield has been incarcerated for a long period of time.
Speaker 14: A lot has changed since then, so I felt it
Speaker 14: important that he gets some programming from the CTP program.
Speaker 14: Since his admission into that program, he's done well. He's
Speaker 14: completed numerous classes. The testimony here today, of course, speaks
Speaker 14: highly of him as far as his interactions with those
Speaker 14: in the program in review. In this case, it's entirety
Speaker 14: considering all things, and I too support the court systems
Speaker 14: and their findings.
Speaker 5: Upon my review this case, my.
Speaker 14: Vote today is parol to the max April thirty, twenty
Speaker 14: twenty four, Reasons four and five.
Speaker 1: And after review the entire record and hearing all the
Speaker 1: statements both the opposition and support, and my vote would
Speaker 1: be to parole to the max for April thirty, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, Reasons four and five. Mister Davison, What are
Speaker 1: your conditions?
Speaker 13: Yes, The special conditions are entering complete the Noah Community Outreach.
Speaker 5: Program for a period of one year.
Speaker 11: Agree.
Speaker 13: Mandatory mental health and substance of use evaluation and treatment
Speaker 13: as necessary.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 13: Agree Anger and stress management evaluation and treatment as necessary.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 13: Agree six months community controlled during the Noah Community Outreach Program,
Speaker 13: followed by eighteen months of curfew ten pm to six am.
Speaker 5: Agree.
Speaker 13: Agree participate in the after care components of the FIU
Speaker 13: Alumni Program. And the Noah Community Outreach Program. Agree no
Speaker 13: contact with the victims family and case number eighty eight
Speaker 13: twenty three forty six. Agree NAAA three times per week
Speaker 13: for the first year, two times per week thereafter.
Speaker 5: Agree pay restitution to.
Speaker 13: Be determined the case number eighty eight, that's twenty three
Speaker 13: forty six. Agree and mandatory attendance at the first supervision
Speaker 13: before the Florida Commission offend of review unless otherwise excused
Speaker 13: for good costs by the Commission or the parole officer.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 13: I don't have any additional terms.
Speaker 5: That's terms.
Speaker 1: Thank everyone, take a real brief break so that the cameras.
Speaker 11: Can be very movement.
Speaker 13: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Leo is being paroled and he'll be getting out of
Speaker 2: everyglades on April thirtieth.
Speaker 9: What happened today. Obviously it's a good thing, but it's
Speaker 9: just a step, a step on a much longer road.
Speaker 9: Leo is going to be paroled. Then I'll go to
Speaker 9: a halfway house. But he's not free, and people need
Speaker 9: to understand he's still a convicted murderer.
Speaker 11: He is not free.
Speaker 9: He's gotten all kinds of restrictions and all kinds of hoops.
Speaker 9: He's going to have to jump through, and it's going
Speaker 9: to be extremely difficult. While it's a good thing in
Speaker 9: a sense, it's prison without bars, is what it is.
Speaker 9: And some folks have extreme difficulty doing it because you
Speaker 9: look like you're free and you can go out in
Speaker 9: public and you can do certain things. But he's going
Speaker 9: to literally have to account for literally.
Speaker 4: Every minute of his day and he has to that
Speaker 4: permission to do everything.
Speaker 9: Try living that way.
Speaker 5: So the fight now turns.
Speaker 9: To looking into getting him exonerated, but he's in for
Speaker 9: a very difficult time, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 15: You want to walk and talk for a minute, sure,
Speaker 15: get us up crying, you're loving The whole entire day
Speaker 15: is exhausting. You know, you think you're going to be
Speaker 15: calm and cool and relaxed, and they start talking.
Speaker 13: And in the tone and.
Speaker 15: You're the emotions and the butterflies just kick in and
Speaker 15: you just starting oh, here come the tears, Here come
Speaker 15: the tears, and uh so it's a lot. It's ah,
Speaker 15: it's hard to put into words the level of emotion
Speaker 15: that I feel right now. Like a lot of people
Speaker 15: are saying congratulations and yeay, and it's exciting, but it's
Speaker 15: we're still we're not done.
Speaker 3: He's not free.
Speaker 15: I mean, he's out, but it's not over.
Speaker 12: M