Speaker 1: Do you want to do it?
Speaker 2: You want me to do it, you can do it.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay. We are here at the at the building
Speaker 3: where the parle hearing is going to be taking place.
Speaker 3: It is eight forty six. I think Leo's case is
Speaker 3: going to be heard around ten. Yeah, and I'm right
Speaker 3: here with Gilbert to Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we should sit in the back this time.
Speaker 3: Oh, I will need to be right by the podium.
Speaker 3: So make sure next is fine, Okay, no problem this, yeah, sure.
Speaker 2: So we're at the break here. They've give him like
Speaker 2: a five minute break, and I think the Schoolfield case
Speaker 2: will be called very first next. Everybody seems to be here.
Speaker 2: Cup is ready, some people from CDP. Chrissy is here,
Speaker 2: and Jacob Orr will also be I'm here speaking for
Speaker 2: the state in the tenth I'm not sure if anybody's
Speaker 2: going to be calling in from the Saum families. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. But that's about all we know right now.
Speaker 1: Thank good morning everyone. It's ten thirty five am. We're
Speaker 1: back on the record. This is Melinda Kunrod with the
Speaker 1: Commission on a Fender review. I'm joining with Commissioner Davison
Speaker 1: and Commissioner White. We're about to start the full portion
Speaker 1: of the docket. We're all free. Commissioners will be voting.
Speaker 1: The first case that we're calling is Item twenty two
Speaker 1: on page twelve, Leo Schofield. This is an effective interview
Speaker 1: that was conducted on March twenty seven, twenty twenty Ford
Speaker 1: Everglades CI the investigators recommending parole. Good morning, Jods, we'd
Speaker 1: be happy here for you.
Speaker 4: Good morning, Commissioner. It's my name is Scott Kopp. I'm
Speaker 4: the attorney for Leo Schofield. I'm not going to say
Speaker 4: much until the end. Want I want some folks that
Speaker 4: mean a lot to Leo who are present. There's three
Speaker 4: that are present. They're going to speak first. I'd like
Speaker 4: to call Sergeant Simmons.
Speaker 5: Good morning.
Speaker 6: My name is Sergeant James Simmons. I'm currently employed at
Speaker 6: Jefferson Correctional Institution. I've been with the department twenty eight years.
Speaker 6: Of those twenty eight years, I've known Leo Schofield for
Speaker 6: twenty seven of those years. Of them twenty seven years,
Speaker 6: me and Leal Scofield has worked together for the last
Speaker 6: ten years. Lei Schofield was a great inmate at Hardy
Speaker 6: correction to Institution. He was a great assets there. I
Speaker 6: know Mm Schofield had took the theology class to earn
Speaker 6: a degree in that. I know he had a large
Speaker 6: Bible class.
Speaker 5: He also helped me.
Speaker 6: In the locke and key department. I was the lock
Speaker 6: and key sergeant. He was my orderly. One day we
Speaker 6: were working pulling a lockout and I was a real
Speaker 6: bad diabetic blushuger dropped as I was falling forward. They
Speaker 6: tell me that Leo Scofield caught me before I hit
Speaker 6: the concrete floor and placed me in a chair, and
Speaker 6: he knew I was a bad diabetic, and he took
Speaker 6: the meter out of my pocket and placed it on
Speaker 6: my device to see what my blood sugar was and
Speaker 6: it was very low. And he got me medical attention
Speaker 6: quickly and got me some staff in there to help
Speaker 6: me out. And to this day I am very thankful
Speaker 6: Leo Scofield was there to help me. I know Leo
Speaker 6: Schofield has a great support staff with his wife and
Speaker 6: daughter and other family members. In my professional opinion prefore
Speaker 6: that Leo Schofield make a great candidate for Parot.
Speaker 1: Thank you, sergeant, Thank you for your service.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Sergeant David Welch.
Speaker 7: Good morning, Donald Commissioner's med him, Chair Commissioner Davidson, Commissioner Wyatt.
Speaker 7: I stand before you today on behalf of Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: because this is the case that I know in and out,
Speaker 7: because I met Leo when I was seventeen years old
Speaker 7: when I first entered Department of Corrections. Leo Schofield met
Speaker 7: me off the bus when I was there, scared, didn't
Speaker 7: know where I was going to go, what I was
Speaker 7: going to do, what to do with my life from
Speaker 7: then on, just received a natural life sentence at that point,
Speaker 7: with a possibility of pro after twenty five years. I
Speaker 7: am grateful for the grace of Parol. I'm a proud
Speaker 7: member of CTP. But Leo Schofield was an educational clerk
Speaker 7: back then. This was in nineteen ninety four. Again, I
Speaker 7: was seventeen years old. I'm now forty seven. Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: told me when I first met him I was going
Speaker 7: through orientation process that I could do my time a
Speaker 7: couple of ways. I could be like others and just
Speaker 7: go play poker, play basketball and run around the reck
Speaker 7: yard and waste my life. Or I could make the
Speaker 7: best of it. And that's what I did. He got
Speaker 7: me an education as an orderly So from then on
Speaker 7: I got my GED. I actually graduated, got my GED
Speaker 7: before I would have graduated high school on the street.
Speaker 7: From then on he continued to encourage me and impress
Speaker 7: me to go into vocational trades. So that started me
Speaker 7: on the bath that ultimately led me to be here
Speaker 7: in front of you today, to do my time wisely,
Speaker 7: to take advantage of opportunities to get in education and
Speaker 7: to do something with my life. Leo Schofield also signed
Speaker 7: me up for Chiro's Prison Ministry. I went through a
Speaker 7: Chiros retreat there. Didn't know anything about Chiros, but Leo
Speaker 7: signed me up for that and told me it would
Speaker 7: be something good for my life. That in turn changed
Speaker 7: my life because it's surrendered my life to Jesus Christ.
Speaker 7: And from then on now today I stand before you.
Speaker 7: Haven't been released, haven't been terminated from Parol. I'm now
Speaker 7: the chair of Chiro's Prison Ministries at Avon Parks CI.
Speaker 7: In fact, tomorrow I have thirty six men that are
Speaker 7: under me that I'll be leading in to do Chiros
Speaker 7: fifty seven at Avon Park. So from then on, from
Speaker 7: the very first time I met Leo until today. I
Speaker 7: am now a still citizen volunteer. I go back into
Speaker 7: the prisons every month. I'm leading Chiros fifty seven next month.
Speaker 7: And the education I received because of the influence of
Speaker 7: mister Leo Schofield when I first met him as a teenager.
Speaker 7: I've known him for thirty years. His character demeanor have
Speaker 7: never changed one bit, and I just know, out of
Speaker 7: all respect to the offense and the life that was
Speaker 7: lost in this case, Leo Schofield is not a threat
Speaker 7: to society in any kind of way. If Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: is released, I can guarantee you that I will be
Speaker 7: there for him in Tampa at Noah's House. I can
Speaker 7: guarantee you that he will participate in CTP programs and
Speaker 7: also be here in Tallahausee to represent others. Leo Schofield
Speaker 7: will be a benefit if you guys are give him
Speaker 7: the grace of prol today. I'm just simply asking, as
Speaker 7: someone that knows him for a long time, to give
Speaker 7: him that chance because I believe in Leo Schofield. I
Speaker 7: know as the only request that you guys asked of
Speaker 7: me to not let you down, Leo Schofield likewise will
Speaker 7: not let you down if you're grind the Groce pro
Speaker 7: Thank you for a looting me to speak.
Speaker 1: Thank you, mister Welch, Thank you.
Speaker 5: Jeff Reuter.
Speaker 8: My name is Jeffrey Reuter, CTP Alumni, Noah's House Community Outreach,
Speaker 8: House Coordinator Commissioner, Kunrod, Commissioner, Dason Commissioner. Why. I've known
Speaker 8: Leo for well over a decade. We were students together
Speaker 8: in numerous classes, We facilitated classes together, we lived in
Speaker 8: the dorm together, we got recreation together. We just lived
Speaker 8: in prison together. And I know firsthand what that involves.
Speaker 8: And Leo was always he always stayed the course and
Speaker 8: no matter what came at as he had a clear
Speaker 8: head and solid judgment. This is a very unique case
Speaker 8: and I know that Leo's heart goes out to his wife, Michelle.
Speaker 8: Our hearts go out to Michelle and her families. So
Speaker 8: Leo is very mindful that as well. He worked first
Speaker 8: hand with me with the Peyton Tutthill and Peyton Tudhill
Speaker 8: Foundation and Miss Tutthill. He recorded a record for her,
Speaker 8: turned over, recorded a whole record, turned over copyrighted the
Speaker 8: record and then sent the record to Miss Tuthill, where
Speaker 8: recorded that music at Hearty CI and now that's part
Speaker 8: of the foundation's story where they actually helped raise his
Speaker 8: money for the children of scholarship victims. I know that
Speaker 8: we're not here to determine guilt or innocence, but ken Leo,
Speaker 8: pursuing to nine forty seven, can Leo conducted himself as
Speaker 8: a citizen, as a free citizen, as a responsible citizen.
Speaker 8: And I submit that he can. Pastor Tony Parker and
Speaker 8: I from Noah's Community Outreach, we've been talking about Leo
Speaker 8: for the past two weeks. There's a brand new house
Speaker 8: at Noah's House. There's four guys in it right now.
Speaker 8: Gregory Samuels, who was released yesterday, was the newest guy
Speaker 8: in the house. He came yesterday. So we have a
Speaker 8: bed for Leo at the new house where I'm the
Speaker 8: coordinator at that house. We have an all star team there.
Speaker 8: We will help lead and guide Leo post release. If
Speaker 8: you grant him grace today, and that is my humble request,
Speaker 8: would you please grant Leo grace today? Thank you, Thank you.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure who's on the phone from.
Speaker 5: CTP, but you got about a minute.
Speaker 4: Could you pick one person to speak please?
Speaker 9: Yeah? Good Morning Convintions. Choy Martin, thank you, missus, Missus
Speaker 9: Coonroh and Missus Davis and mister Waynet thanks for the
Speaker 9: opportunity to speak on Leo's behalf. My condoc is to
Speaker 9: the victim, Michelle and her family as well. I need
Speaker 9: to be met Leo in October two thousand and two
Speaker 9: at South Bay where he taught and played guitar in
Speaker 9: the chapels. In the choirt, Leo also taught guys to
Speaker 9: play the guitar. He continues to do so today in CTP.
Speaker 9: I see him on a weekly basis. He's thriving in
Speaker 9: the program. I believe it was a group called the
Speaker 9: Old Jays that sang a song that says I love music.
Speaker 9: I want to say to you today with all due respect,
Speaker 9: that Leo loves music as well, and he loves it
Speaker 9: so much that he's willing to give his time and
Speaker 9: energy to help others learn to play the guitar and
Speaker 9: have a love for music as well. I believe that
Speaker 9: he's an excellent candidate for parole, and I believe that
Speaker 9: he is epitome of a model prisoner that would translate
Speaker 9: into being successful citizen and society. I respectfully request that
Speaker 9: you parole him today. Thank you for your time of consideration.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to Labor commissioners what you already know.
Speaker 4: We've had our meetings, you for view to pack it.
Speaker 4: I think you pretty much know what you want to do,
Speaker 4: and I suspect you're going to do the right thing,
Speaker 4: and I trust you to do that. I can't say
Speaker 4: more than what these men have said and what you've read.
Speaker 4: Leo has continued to achieve and exceed expectations wherever he's been.
Speaker 4: The one thing I do want to address, if you
Speaker 4: do grant him parole, which I believe you're going to do,
Speaker 4: I want to address the walkout date because it's very important.
Speaker 4: It's very important to Leo, it's very important to all
Speaker 4: of us. He needs to go as soon as possible.
Speaker 4: Thirteen days. He needs to go April thirtieth, not in June,
Speaker 4: not two more months. If that becomes the walkout date, that,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, is merely punitive. It serves no purpose
Speaker 4: whatsoever with that. I'll turn the podium over to the state.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Now we're going to move to
Speaker 1: those in opposition. Mister Orr is here, and do we
Speaker 1: have anyone online wishing to speak if so pressed, our
Speaker 1: six go oh, good morning. Are you speaking on the
Speaker 1: Schofield case?
Speaker 10: Yes, but I'm not in opposition. I'm his brother. I
Speaker 10: tried to call in last year and I wasn't able
Speaker 10: to talk. I just wanted to say that my brother
Speaker 10: has been he's been doing a lot of great things
Speaker 10: in prison, but he was doing a lot of great
Speaker 10: things before he went to prison. I didn't have much
Speaker 10: of a father, so he basically raised me. And I
Speaker 10: just wanted to be there for him for whenever I could,
Speaker 10: because I know he's a good man, a good person,
Speaker 10: and he's one of the only reasons why I've been
Speaker 10: able to make it through this life. And I just
Speaker 10: wanted to I just wanted to say thank you for
Speaker 10: an opportunity to get him out of prison. And I
Speaker 10: pray that you guys do the right thing today. And
Speaker 10: that's all I ask.
Speaker 1: And what is your name?
Speaker 10: My name is Jason Schofield.
Speaker 1: All thank you, all right, mister Orr from you, Good morning, commissioners.
Speaker 1: Good morning.
Speaker 11: My name is Jake or I'm an assistant state attorney
Speaker 11: in the tenth Judicial Circuit. It's good to be with
Speaker 11: you again. Last year I addressed you regarding this case.
Speaker 11: And I told you then that you cannot pursue justice
Speaker 11: without first pursuing truth. And I believe that to be
Speaker 11: a true statement, and I think that it has a
Speaker 11: particular relevance in this case. The reason being there's been
Speaker 11: a whole lot of media attention. As you know, there's
Speaker 11: been TV shows, print media, multiple multiple episode podcasts, and
Speaker 11: I'm reading that there's going to be more. There's going
Speaker 11: to be a TV drama series maybe, and some sort
Speaker 11: of novels in the works. It's all very entertaining and
Speaker 11: in truth, it's an interesting case. I'm not going to
Speaker 11: go into all the facts because I think you're kind
Speaker 11: of I'm familiar with some of them, but it's a
Speaker 11: circumstantial case, lots of twists and turns, and the storytelling
Speaker 11: related to it has been outstanding. However, the truth telling
Speaker 11: has been unacceptable. An example of that that involves this
Speaker 11: commission happened in May of twenty twenty when Jerry Hill
Speaker 11: addressed you regarding the case. Mister Hill recited certain facts
Speaker 11: of the case, including going into who found the body
Speaker 11: in this case? And I've pulled the transcript and I
Speaker 11: just want to read a couple things that mister Hill
Speaker 11: told you. He told you quote Missus Schofield's body was
Speaker 11: discovered in the canal located in a hilly wooded area
Speaker 11: on the morning of February twenty seventh, eighty seven, by
Speaker 11: Leo Schofield Senior. Close quote Later in his presentation, mister
Speaker 11: Hill told you that Leo was driven by an inter
Speaker 11: force and he said he felt drawn to that area
Speaker 11: and felt Michelle was calling out to him. He said
Speaker 11: he had told Detective Russell, and I'm still quoting here,
Speaker 11: told Detective Russell that his daughter in law was within
Speaker 11: a certain distance. Now, the podcast that's got the most
Speaker 11: attention covering this case covered that hearing in twenty twenty.
Speaker 11: They even used some of the audio, but they got
Speaker 11: it wrong. They edited out mister Hill telling you that
Speaker 11: the body was found by Schofield Senior. They edited out
Speaker 11: mister Hill telling you that he was searching for his
Speaker 11: daughter in law. They played select clips about Leo searching,
Speaker 11: and then the narrator came in and said said this,
Speaker 11: Jerry Hill gets it wrong in a major way. The
Speaker 11: narrator stated that Jerry Hill made it sound like the
Speaker 11: body was found by the defendant Leo Schofield Junior. Now
Speaker 11: take a minute and focus on that reporting. Obviously that's
Speaker 11: not what happened you were here. But it's worse than that,
Speaker 11: because this is not argumentative argument or interpretation of facts
Speaker 11: of the record. It's it's not a narrative told from
Speaker 11: a particular point of view that is one hundred and
Speaker 11: eighty degrees opposite of what happened in front of it.
Speaker 11: It's false. This should cause concern for anybody that thinks
Speaker 11: they know facts about this case because they heard a podcast,
Speaker 11: read something on social media or the internet, or even
Speaker 11: a newspaper article. Because good storytellers have picked up this
Speaker 11: case and they've told stories that are incomplete, that misrepresent
Speaker 11: the actual evidence in the case, and sometimes are false.
Speaker 11: You are reading, or more likely hearing, a very compelling
Speaker 11: story that has no fidelity to the truth. Today, we've
Speaker 11: gone through one black and white example that involved this commission,
Speaker 11: but there are many many others when you get into
Speaker 11: the facts of the case. Now, why am I telling
Speaker 11: you this? Why is it relevant to today? Because my
Speaker 11: one ask of you is whatever decision you make, don't
Speaker 11: base it on some sensational media accounts that are set
Speaker 11: to dramatic music base it on truth. In the criminal
Speaker 11: justice system, trial courts, appellate court's parole commission, whatever it is,
Speaker 11: it's of the utmost importance that we always pursue truth
Speaker 11: because it's our only chance at pursuing justice. This case
Speaker 11: has been reviewed by multiple courts, multiple trial judges, multiple
Speaker 11: panels of appellate judges for over thirty years, and there's
Speaker 11: a difference between what they do in those reviews and
Speaker 11: the entertainment industry. In the court, you can't edit out
Speaker 11: the facts you don't like. You can't edit the facts
Speaker 11: to fit your storyline. What those judges have done has
Speaker 11: reviewed this case based on the actual transcript, the actual evidence,
Speaker 11: and the law, and in all those reviews, every time
Speaker 11: they've determined there is sufficient evidence to support this conviction. Now,
Speaker 11: in the interest of fairness, I think it's important that
Speaker 11: I also tell you that I'm not telling you about
Speaker 11: those falsehoods in the media for you to hold them
Speaker 11: against mister Schofield. That's not my intention. He did not
Speaker 11: write those stories, he didn't edit the audio. I told
Speaker 11: you about those falsehoods so you could focus on the truth.
Speaker 11: And truth is from what I know, he's been an
Speaker 11: outstanding inmate sounds like it's got an incredible support system,
Speaker 11: and you should consider all that. I also know that
Speaker 11: you should consider that he was convicted of a terribly
Speaker 11: violent crime, and you know that you must use caution
Speaker 11: before you release such an individually. I guess what I'm
Speaker 11: saying is, in the end, if you determine that justice
Speaker 11: requires he be parolled or not based on an honest
Speaker 11: review of the evidence, the law, the time he's served,
Speaker 11: and all the factors that you would consider in any
Speaker 11: other case, and you do that with an honest review,
Speaker 11: then justice will be served. That's all anyone could ever
Speaker 11: ask of you. You have a tough job. I thank
Speaker 11: you for your service to our state, and I thank
Speaker 11: you for your time this morning.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Miss jore. Do we have either Ricky or
Speaker 1: Jesse Soum online? If so, ProStar six and Muture film
Speaker 1: all right here, and then we'll perceive that the vote
Speaker 1: is starting with mister Dason.
Speaker 5: In the matter of Leo Schofield.
Speaker 12: I've had the opportunity to review this case, and it's
Speaker 12: entirety I've listened very closely to the testimony in support
Speaker 12: as well as the testimony in opposition. Here today today
Speaker 12: is not the first aid that I've had the opptinnity
Speaker 12: to give input into this case. The last time this
Speaker 12: case was before us, my vote was to extend mister
Speaker 12: Schofield's ppr D by twenty four months and to refer
Speaker 12: him to the Corrections Transition Program at the Everglades Correctional Institution.
Speaker 12: How real, the vote of this commission was to extend
Speaker 12: by twelve months, which was set the new ppr D
Speaker 12: at June twenty five, twenty twenty four, and in agreement
Speaker 12: to refer mister Scholfield to the Corrections Transition Program at
Speaker 12: the Everglades Correctional Institution. Since that time, mister Scholfield has
Speaker 12: participated in the CTP program, has done well, and I
Speaker 12: think that he has greatly benefited from his time there.
Speaker 12: I think that he will continue to benefit from his
Speaker 12: time in the corrections Transition program if he continues to
Speaker 12: serve until the PPRD date that this commission set, which
Speaker 12: is June twenty five, twenty twenty four. So I know
Speaker 12: that there was some question here about a walkout date,
Speaker 12: and I think that that walkout date should be consistent
Speaker 12: with the PPRD that this Commission set less than a
Speaker 12: year ago. That datea is not punitive. That date is
Speaker 12: necessary for moving mister Scholfield toward a successful parole if
Speaker 12: he has paroled here today.
Speaker 5: So as mister Orr has requested my.
Speaker 12: Honest review of this case, and that is my honest
Speaker 12: review of this case. So my vote here today is
Speaker 12: not a question of guilt or innocence. That is the
Speaker 12: province of the judicial system. This case has been litigated
Speaker 12: both in the trial as well as the appella arenas,
Speaker 12: and that determination is that mister Scholfield is guilty.
Speaker 5: Of first degree murder. Today, my vote is.
Speaker 12: To parole mister Scholfield to the max on June twenty five,
Speaker 12: twenty twenty four, Terms four and five.
Speaker 1: Thank you Commissioner.
Speaker 5: White, Thank you man.
Speaker 13: Thank you all for here testimony today as it relates
Speaker 13: to mister Schofield. And I too have reviewed this case
Speaker 13: as a and I'm familiar with the case. I've had
Speaker 13: meetings regarding the case, and during the last Commission action
Speaker 13: I stressed the importance of programming. Mister Schofield has been
Speaker 13: incarcerated for a long period of time. A lot has
Speaker 13: changed since then, so I felt it important that he
Speaker 13: gets some programming from the CTP program. Since his admission
Speaker 13: into that program.
Speaker 1: He's done well.
Speaker 13: He's completed numerous classes. The testimony here today, of course,
Speaker 13: speaks highly of him as far as his interactions with
Speaker 13: those in the program in review. In this case, it's
Speaker 13: entirety considering all things, and I too support the court
Speaker 13: systems and their findings.
Speaker 5: Upon my review this case, my.
Speaker 13: Vote today is parol to the max April thirty, twenty
Speaker 13: twenty four, Reasons four and five.
Speaker 1: And after review the entire record and hearing all the
Speaker 1: statements both the opposition and support, and my vote would
Speaker 1: be to parole to the max for April thirty, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four, Reasons four and five. Mister Davison, What are
Speaker 1: your conditions?
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 12: The special conditions are entering complete the Noah Community Outreach.
Speaker 5: Program for a period of one year.
Speaker 10: Agree.
Speaker 12: Mandatory mental health and substance of use evaluation and treatment
Speaker 12: as necessary.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 12: Agree Anger and stress management evaluation and treatment as necessary.
Speaker 1: Agree.
Speaker 12: Agree six months community controlled during the Noah Community Outreach Program,
Speaker 12: followed by eighteen months of curfew ten pm to six am.
Speaker 5: Agree. Agree.
Speaker 12: Participate in the after care components of the FIU Alumni
Speaker 12: Program and the Noah Community Outreach program. Agree no contact
Speaker 12: with the victims family and case number eighty eight twenty
Speaker 12: three forty six. Agree NAAA three times per week for
Speaker 12: the first year, two times per week thereafter.
Speaker 5: Agree pay restitution to.
Speaker 12: Be determined the case number eighty eight, that's twenty three
Speaker 12: forty six. Agree and mandatory attendance at the first supervision
Speaker 12: before the Florida Commission offend of review unless otherwise excused
Speaker 12: for good costs by the Commission or the parole officer.
Speaker 5: I agree.
Speaker 12: I don't have any additional terms.
Speaker 5: That's terms.
Speaker 1: Thank everyone, take a real brief break so that the cameras.
Speaker 10: Can be very movement.
Speaker 12: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Leo is being paroled and he'll be getting out of
Speaker 2: everyglades on April thirtieth.
Speaker 14: What happened today. Obviously it's a good thing, but it's
Speaker 14: just a step, a step on a much longer road.
Speaker 14: Leo is going to be paroled. Then I'll go to
Speaker 14: a halfway house. But he's not free, and people need
Speaker 14: to understand he's still a convicted murderer.
Speaker 10: He is not free.
Speaker 14: He's gotten all kinds of restrictions and all kinds of
Speaker 14: hoops he's going to have to jump through, and it's
Speaker 14: going to be extremely difficult. While it's a good thing
Speaker 14: in a sense, it's prison without bars, is what it is.
Speaker 14: And some folks have extreme difficulty doing it because you
Speaker 14: look like you're free and you can go out in
Speaker 14: public and you can do certain things. But he's going
Speaker 14: to literally have to account for literally.
Speaker 4: Every minute of his day and he has to that
Speaker 4: permission to do everything.
Speaker 14: Try living that way.
Speaker 5: So the fight now turns.
Speaker 14: To looking into getting him exonerated. But he's in for
Speaker 14: a very difficult time, make no mistake about it.
Speaker 9: You want to walk and talk for a minute, sure,
Speaker 9: get us up crying, you're loving.
Speaker 8: The whole entire day is exhausting.
Speaker 1: You know, you think you're going to be calm and
Speaker 1: cool and relaxed, and they start talking.
Speaker 12: And in the tone and.
Speaker 2: You're the emotions and the butterflies just kick in and
Speaker 2: you just starting oh.
Speaker 8: Here come the tears, Here come the tears.
Speaker 3: And uh so it's a lot. It's ah, it's hard
Speaker 3: to put into words the level.
Speaker 11: Of emotion that I feel right now.
Speaker 2: Like a lot of people are saying congratulations and yeay,
Speaker 2: and it's exciting, but it's we're still we're not done.
Speaker 3: He's not free.
Speaker 2: I mean he's out, but it's not over.
Speaker 11: M