1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Hello, Oh no, it's too late. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:04,640 Speaker 2: Warning. 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: Today's episode contains spoilers for some different Fantastic Four stories. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: We're going to talk about them, We're not going to 5 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:16,119 Speaker 1: super spoil them as we get you ready for the 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: upcoming Fantastic Four. 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 2: First Steps. Hello. 8 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Name is Jase Konti and I'm Mersday Night and welcome 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: back to x Ray Vision of the podcast where we 10 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: dive the your favorite shows, movies, comics at pop culture. 11 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 1: Coming to you from iHeart Podcast. Will will bring you 12 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: episodes every Tuesday Thursday plus Paul. Summer long, We're highlighting 13 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: the summer's biggest movies with our popcorn pop out segment 14 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: Snooze Saturday. 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 2: In today's episode, we are going to get you ready 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: for the Fantastic Four. Who are the Fantastic thought Michael 17 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:12,199 Speaker 2: Giacchino going crazy with that one. Yes, we are gonna 18 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: talk about who are the Fantastic Four. We're gonna say, 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: tell you some fun, fantastic full comic street before the movie. 20 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: We're also gonna make some theories and answer some potential 21 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 2: questions we have about the Fantastic Four movie and how 22 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 2: it will tie in to the rest of the MCU 23 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: and exciting times if you are gonna be at San 24 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 2: Diego Comic Con. It's the biggest nerdy event of the year. 25 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: And guess what, Me and Jason and Joel and Ian 26 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 2: are gonna be there too, so come say hi. Keep 27 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: your eyes to their socials. We're gonna be doing some 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 2: really fun stuff. And yeah, it's gonna be great. It's 29 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: gonna be great. 30 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Rosie, let's talk about the Fantastic Four, an iconic 31 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: comic book title. Legendary team, legendary team of legendary characters 32 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:10,079 Speaker 1: created by truly legends of the industry exactly Jack Curry 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: and Stan Lee. 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 2: Ever heard of him, ever, ever heard of these guys. 35 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: Allegedly in response to the massive success of the JLA 36 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: Justice League of America at DC, they appeared for the 37 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: first time in Fantastic four number one. And this is 38 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: actually crazy. I always in my mind for some reason. 39 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because of the Spider Man. I think it's 40 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: like I think it happened later like sixty three or 41 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: six four. Nineteen sixty one is my first Fantastic four issue, 42 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: and they are really the bedrock of Marvel's later success 43 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,239 Speaker 1: because the comic was a surprise hit. 44 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: As they say, it really was. It was something where 45 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 2: Man Goodman kind of came to stand and was like, Hey, 46 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 2: what do you think about this? We need to make 47 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: a you know, a cool new team that's gonna compete 48 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: with DC. Allegedly there's a great story about Martin Goodman 49 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: being on the golf course and kind of talking about 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,679 Speaker 2: it and all that drama. Well, friend of the Pod 51 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: Michael Uslin has debunked that apparently, So I was like, Okay, 52 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: no gold. 53 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 3: We'll see you know, we'll see people have you know 54 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: that that era. 55 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: I feel like everything is draped in various layers of 56 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: like myth making and legends, so it knows what the 57 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: real story is exactly. 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those fun things like who 59 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: was you know, who came up with the idea first? 60 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 2: Was it the X Men or the Doom Patrol? This 61 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: is one of those fun things. But Fantastic four definitely 62 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: a response to the massive success of the j LA 63 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: the first issue. And I do think something really interesting 64 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,840 Speaker 2: about the Fantastic Four is they are one of those 65 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: things like Superman, where pretty much from the outset, general 66 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 2: broad strokes are the same. They go to space, they 67 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 2: get hit by cosmic rays, they get powers, and we 68 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 2: don't learn that because just at the beginning, because just 69 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 2: like how it is in comic books, now there is 70 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 2: a jump into action. In the first issue, you see 71 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 2: them fighting a huge monster who we may see in 72 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: the Fantastic Four movie, Giganta, because we've seen him in 73 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: some you know, promotional materials for like coffee tie ins 74 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 2: or something, which is always a hilarious way to learn things. 75 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: But yes, this was a huge success. Stanley was actually 76 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 2: about to quit comics again. 77 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: Was he ever gonna quit it? 78 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 2: Was he really gonna come back? The story is that 79 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: he was gonna quit, but the Fantastic Four made him 80 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: stick around. And I think that it's funny because for us, 81 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 2: this definitely was a formidable fame up their team, especially 82 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 2: because we had the movies were in the zeros. But 83 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 2: for a lot of people they have not been as 84 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: prominent because due to licensing rights, there were many issues 85 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 2: with having the Fantastic Four in the MCU, which meant 86 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: that they weren't putting them in the comics because they 87 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 2: didn't want to promote something they couldn't make money off 88 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: in the movies. So we're gonna give you a little 89 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 2: primer number one on the cour sheet. It's mister Fantastic 90 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: there is. He is a crazy, clever guy. He's a 91 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: complex genius, and I think his inventions and scope and 92 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: kind of duality put him in a really interesting place 93 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: to become that next Tony Stark. Tony Stark's tech like 94 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 2: pushed us through the infinity saga, and I think this 95 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: is the next generation. 96 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: I think that's right because Tony, for as you know, 97 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 1: as ambitious and as complex as he was himself were, 98 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,239 Speaker 1: there was never a hint of menace, even even creating 99 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: Ultron and some of the bad things he's done in 100 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: the comics, his struggles with alcoholism, et cetera, and the 101 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: various mistakes that he's made have been due to sincere 102 00:06:15,560 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: misunderstandings and just trying his best, trying his best read. 103 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: And particularly in recent years, recent decades, Is has been 104 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: portrayed as so smart and so beyond the bounds of 105 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: like standards science, the smartest of the smart, super smart people, 106 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 1: that his intelligence has been injected with this hint of 107 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: destructiveness and disruption and dissatisfaction with like the status quo. 108 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 1: And so you've seen other versions of Reid come to 109 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: the fore and sometimes quite menacingly you just kind of 110 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,919 Speaker 1: want who just kind of say, well, I am the smartest, 111 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 1: so like shouldn't I just be in charge? 112 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 2: And that's a really interesting question, and I think one 113 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: that is at the heart of the Fantastic Four, which 114 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: is these people come back from the space mission that 115 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: they were on as test pilots depending on which version 116 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 2: you read, and they are given these unbelievable powers, these 117 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: almost like elemental powers, and a lot of the struggle 118 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 2: and strife is, well, couldn't we make the world better? 119 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: But how do we do it in a way that 120 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: is moral and effective. It's kind of a superman issue, 121 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: like if you are the most powerful person in the world, 122 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: how do you wield that power? And for Read, at 123 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: the beginning, he was definitely benevolent scientists. But as you say, 124 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 2: there are really different versions of Read the maker stuff 125 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: like that where his intelligence brings a coldness and almost 126 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 2: like a you know, Doctor Manhattan kind of disassociation. That's right, 127 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: that's it. 128 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, that kind of with a little bit of ambition 129 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: for himself. Up next, reads Partner in Life. Yeah, the 130 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 1: invisible woman suit Storm tell us about her, so. 131 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: She is actually kind of our in character in that 132 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 2: first issue, which I love because she's like drinking tea 133 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 2: and then she's like, oh, gotta turn invisible, gotta go 134 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: save someone. Sue Storms originally reads girlfriend, she becomes essential 135 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 2: ostensibly like she can turn invisible, but the power is 136 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 2: also really about creating force fields and being able to 137 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 2: kind of project energy, which I think really represents her 138 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: role as like the maternal one, and not just because 139 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: she's a woman, but because her younger brother is in 140 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 2: the team, her boyfriend soon to be husband is in 141 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 2: the team, her boyfriend's lifelong college best friend Johnny is 142 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 2: in the team. She is often the leader realistically when 143 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: Read is not. She also while being a secondary figure, 144 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: and in the movies, especially the Jessica Alba version, was 145 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 2: often just played for like she's sexy and she's funny, 146 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 2: and though I love Jessica albersou Storm, I think that 147 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: what we're seeing from the Fantastic Movie Coming is more 148 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: about the depths of whose Sue is and how she 149 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: protects her family and what she's gonna do when she 150 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 2: has a baby, because we know that she will have 151 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 2: Franklin in this movie. She is also somebody who very 152 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 2: famously and very popularly in this podcast is that apple 153 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 2: of someone else's eye, not just Read, but someone who 154 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: is very connected to the Fantastic Four from the earliest days. 155 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 2: I believe No More comes back in issue four of 156 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: the Fantastic Four is kind of a foil for Johnny, 157 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 2: and then later on would become somebody who wants to, 158 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 2: you know, have a little romance with the powerful Invisible woman. 159 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 2: Will we see it in the MCU. I will have 160 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: to say, I do think that is probably one of 161 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,199 Speaker 2: the only people who could give Pedro Pascala rum for 162 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 2: his money, So it'll be interesting to see. What do 163 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: you say? 164 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: I agree, I hope they bring it in. I will 165 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: say that Nymar is a complex character, right, He's an 166 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: anti hero in many ways, He's. 167 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: Not truly heroic. 168 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: He's tried to take over the planet and destroy large 169 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:31,719 Speaker 1: portions of it multiple times, right in service of his kingdom. 170 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: And yet through all of that, I think the thing 171 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 3: that probably reflects on him the worst is his allien, 172 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:48,800 Speaker 3: his fascinations, obsession, his obsession with Sue, which at times, 173 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: particularly in the last like two decades, has taken on 174 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 3: a kind of like where my hug at? 175 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 2: You know? Tight thing? Yes, I think that's a great 176 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 2: point because originally it was more about like Sue being 177 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: left behind by this highly intelligent, kind of obsessive man 178 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 2: that reader is. And then you know, nay More shows 179 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: up in Beautiful jayy R. And he's like, oh, hello, 180 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: well I could be here, but you're right, it's definitely 181 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: gotta where's my Hargat kind of energy nowadays. But you 182 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 2: know what, Sue is incredible. We've never gotten to see 183 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: Sue as an actual mother on screen. We've always seen 184 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: her kind of as the mother of the group. Very 185 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 2: excited to see her hair, also happy to see her 186 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: actually get to go to space this time, unlike the 187 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 2: last movie, The Fan four Stick, where she was forced 188 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 2: to stay at home and then somehow still got hit 189 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 2: by cosmic rays. So it's going to be nice to 190 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 2: see Sue go to space and then come back and 191 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 2: then have a baby, all in a two hour and 192 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,200 Speaker 2: twenty minute movie, which I think we're going to need 193 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 2: to talk about when we talk about what we're. 194 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: For sure one more thing. I mean, she's also the Listen, 195 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: the Fantastic Forward have broken up a long time for Sue, 196 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: She's the one that keeps the whole thing together, reed 197 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: is not does not is. His head is in the clouds. Johnny, 198 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: you get the sense that he'd be happy doing a 199 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 1: million other things. 200 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 2: He's like a playboy, kind of like silly. Ben is. 201 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Probably the most dedicated, naturally dedicated to the team, the 202 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: person who isn't Sue but also like has his own 203 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: thing going on. It's Sue that keeps together. 204 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 205 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: Up next, Johnny Storm tell us about Johnny the Human Torch. 206 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 2: He is very interesting because he's not the original human torch. 207 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: There was a human torch who predated Johnny, but he 208 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 2: gets that name here, and he is Sue's younger brother. 209 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 2: He's a flashy playboy. We love him. He gains the 210 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 2: power to essentially like turn himself into flames, so some 211 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 2: kind of like manipulation of his molecules, which I guess 212 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 2: is technically what all of the Fantastic Four game they 213 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: call it in the commission Unstable Molecules is kind of 214 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 2: the answer for everything. He is a show off. He 215 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 2: is a troublemaker. He often goes to his own adventures. 216 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 2: He has been all over the MCU. He's been abducted 217 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 2: by the Beyonda, He's been taken to the scroll Home Planet. 218 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:18,719 Speaker 2: He's been dead. He's been dead. He's also dated the 219 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: woman who had become the Thing's wife. He did have 220 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: a weird Alicia Master's phase that was odd, very incestuous. 221 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:27,239 Speaker 2: I didn't love that, no, I mean either. Also, interestingly, 222 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 2: early on, he was like still in high school and 223 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 2: the first kind of era of the Fantastic Four. He's 224 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,679 Speaker 2: in high school, he's dealing with being a kid and 225 00:13:38,760 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: also being a hero, and then he goes to college, 226 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 2: and that was quite extensively explored. I feel like maybe 227 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: they were hoping for like a Peter Parker kind of vibe. 228 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: Gonna say, it's interesting to look back at those early 229 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: marvels and see how how much of Peter was kind 230 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,400 Speaker 1: of percolating before they really knocked. 231 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 2: The formula at the park with Parker himself. 232 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: But I agree with you, it seems like Johnny was 233 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of being positioned as this proto. 234 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: Play, kind of like proto. 235 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: Peter, the kid with the real world problems that also 236 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,439 Speaker 1: is can catch on. 237 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,440 Speaker 2: Fire yeah and fly really really fast. It's gonna be 238 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: interesting to see him in this. I feel like in 239 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 2: the other movies, I mean, we had the Michael B. 240 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 2: Jordan version, iconicly smart casting, but they he was like 241 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: a car thief and it was very tropy and just 242 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: like whatever. But in the Chris Evans version, he's kind 243 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 2: of this crazy, funny wild card, kind of like can't 244 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 2: tell what he's doing, wants to show off, always using 245 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 2: his powers. I feel like what we've seen of the 246 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: Fantastic four MCU version so far has been a lot 247 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: more like stoic, and I still think he's going to 248 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: have that younger aspect, but Joseph Quinn seems to be 249 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 2: trying to bring something that's like a little bit more 250 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: melancholy or I think we could be seeing a different 251 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: type of Johnny, but I'll be interested because I think 252 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: you need the silliness of Johnny because everyone else is 253 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 2: way more aware of what their powers do. And obviously 254 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: the person who has the powers that are hardest to 255 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: hide and I think hardest to live with is Ben 256 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: Grim and that's our final. 257 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: And grim Jack Kirby's exact the working. 258 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: Class Jewish boy from New York who's done good and 259 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 2: he is very cranky and he hates it because he 260 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 2: was turned into this kind of giant rocky figure. It's 261 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 2: very strange, a lot of the Fantastic Four stories really 262 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: focus on Read trying to cure Ben. Because Ben is 263 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: so upset, you know, he has to put on the 264 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: classic classic trench coat and hat combo so he can 265 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 2: go out in the street without people noticing him. Though 266 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: I feel like he just looks like a giant rock 267 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: in a trench coat and a hat, so it doesn't 268 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: really help, but I love that disguise. He will eventually 269 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: fall in love with Alicia Masters, who is a very 270 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: famous character in Marvel comics, a blind woman. We've seen 271 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 2: her brought to life by the Scotch Chloe. We saw 272 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 2: she was played by Kerry Washington in the classic Fantastic 273 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 2: Four movies that we got in the Zeros. We don't 274 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 2: know who she'll be plaied by. Now. We will talk 275 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: some more about some characters who are not sure, some 276 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: actors who are not sure who they're playing that could 277 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 2: come into it. But yeah, I think that from what 278 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 2: we've seen, I am actually probably most excited about this 279 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: representation of Ben, because I think in other films he 280 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: is definitely just kind of like a cranky and scared 281 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 2: and angry and strong, but we seem to be getting 282 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: more of a loving Ben him more of that kind 283 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,360 Speaker 2: of Kirby esque father figure Ben. I really am excited 284 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,640 Speaker 2: to see him and Johnny together because they have done 285 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 2: a lot of crazy stuff in the comics. Ben would 286 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: often join Johnny on his kind of solo adventures in 287 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: those old Fantastic Four comics. And also at times, I mean, 288 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: Ben has been cured. He was could by gamma radiation 289 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 2: and turned back into a human. So I think there's 290 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 2: a lot of interesting spaces that they could explore as 291 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: they go forward, especially when we start talking about like 292 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: what does it mean to be hated and feared? Like? 293 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:15,960 Speaker 2: That's another thing. 294 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,680 Speaker 1: I also wonder, much like in the comics, and much 295 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: like they did with The Hulk, if, as Ben Grimm 296 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: returns in various other MCU movies, if we see his 297 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: yes form change, if he becomes like the spiky thing 298 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: or just like a differently shaped thing, which he has 299 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 1: been over the course of. 300 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 2: Well, you bring up something really smart there, because something 301 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:40,719 Speaker 2: I've been thinking a lot about since the last trailer 302 00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: is the beard. Like the weird Rocky Beard. We don't 303 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: often see Ben on the screen change his shape or 304 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 2: change the way he looks unless he gets turned back 305 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: into a human. But I thought that was really interesting 306 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: that his face is kind of changing and evolving. So 307 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 2: I think you're right. I think we'll probably see different 308 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: versions of the thing as he goes forward. And I 309 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 2: think it's kind of hard to explain in this weird 310 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five phase, when we're all dealing with twenty 311 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: twenty five and also this kind of different landscape of superheroes, 312 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 2: it's hard to kind of explain just how formative and 313 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: important the Fantastic Four were and could be to the MCU. 314 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,080 Speaker 2: If this movie lands, you are essentially being introduced to 315 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 2: characters who could go into space, who could go underground, 316 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 2: who could be with every kind of hero. They know 317 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: the they know the Inhumans, they know the Avengers. Reid 318 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: was a founding member of the Illuminati, Like, there is 319 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: so much they can do here. Ben could be involved 320 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 2: with damage control, like. 321 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: I think we'll see. I think we'll see some of 322 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: I think timelines once they bring in the X Men. 323 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have all these very very powerful 324 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: characters men guys look around again. 325 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 2: Badly. Yeah, I mean I think as well. Something that's 326 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: really interesting is with Johnny and Ben. They were both 327 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: kidnapped by the Beyonder and the original Secret Wars. So 328 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: I also wonder if we're going to get to see 329 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:15,719 Speaker 2: that the Secret Wars that we know from twenty fifteen, 330 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 2: which is really great, the Hickman Asadribbic Secret Wars. That 331 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 2: is also somewhere where we get to see that different 332 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,360 Speaker 2: side of read and it also introduces a different side 333 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 2: of doom. Don't worry, We're going to have a whole 334 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 2: villain's episode coming soon, guys, so you know, we love 335 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: to get into them. But yeah, it's just like a 336 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 2: really interesting space because right now there's so much going 337 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 2: on that it feels like, Okay, is this a big deal? 338 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: But it's hard to kind of explain like how much 339 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: people like me and Jason have been talking about the 340 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 2: Fantastic for coming to the MCU. 341 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 1: I actually like like got really excited today as I 342 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,120 Speaker 1: was prepping for this. I can't believe it's really gonna happens. 343 00:19:58,280 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 2: That's how it feels. 344 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's seek a quick break and quickly 345 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:06,959 Speaker 1: talk about some other f F characters that we think 346 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,760 Speaker 1: we might see or and speculate how other characters might 347 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:15,040 Speaker 1: intersect with this before we go into our comics recommendations, 348 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: we read and we're back, Okay. Fantastic four has a 349 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: lot of supporting characters and a lot of villains. Who 350 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: would you like to see? Who are some you'd like 351 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 1: to see? 352 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: I'm definitely a mole Man lover. In the lead up 353 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 2: to the Fantastic Four, I think, and also the kind 354 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: of insanity of the most popular parts of the MCU. 355 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: One of my absolute favorite theories that people had was 356 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: that they were gonna en produce their Fantastic for and 357 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: they were going to be played by the guys from 358 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 2: It's Always Sunny, So like d would have been uh 359 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: in Storm, Dennis Reynolds would have been read. That was 360 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: actually a very very popular fan casting for a long time. 361 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 2: Charlie would be Johnny Storm, He's too old. But my 362 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: favorite casting out of that that I wish was true 363 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 2: was Danny DeVito's Moleman and I want, I really want 364 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 2: to see Moleman. I think that would have been great casting. 365 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: I think there are a couple of people that potentially 366 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 2: we could see play that. We know. Poul Waterhouse is 367 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,439 Speaker 2: going to be in the movie, so I would love 368 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 2: I'm a I'm a Moleman fan. I like your weird characters. 369 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,719 Speaker 2: I'm also very excited to just see you know, Franklin, 370 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 2: who I'm assuming is gonna be the baby that we 371 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 2: see should talk about We should. 372 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: Talk about frank a little bit, because, Yeah, the thing 373 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: about Franklin, which I think are some of our non 374 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: deep cut comics readers will probably not know, is that 375 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: Franklin is truly one of the most powerful figures in 376 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: Marvel comics, having you know, two of the most powerful 377 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: and special parents in the MCU that DNA has like 378 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,719 Speaker 1: is thriving folks and he it's going crazy. He is 379 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 1: a insanely powerful mutant. 380 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, he is. And also something that's really interesting about 381 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 2: Franklin is he was first introduced in a Fantastic Four 382 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 2: annual number six from nineteen sixty eight, so he has 383 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,400 Speaker 2: been a character almost as long as the Fantastic Four. 384 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: And he is essentially like he has more power than 385 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: you know when we talk about mutants, we talk about 386 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: amazing level mutants. He's essentially a god. He can change reality, 387 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 2: he can change time, he can change the past, and 388 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 2: he even had powers from when he was a baby. 389 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:00,560 Speaker 2: This was not like a mutant situation where you have 390 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 2: to turn into a teenager and then your mutant power 391 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 2: kind of activates. When he was a baby, he was 392 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: basically already drawing the attention of a version of Kang 393 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: the con he was already, which is ironic because he 394 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 2: also would become Kang the Conqueror. But you know, even 395 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:22,439 Speaker 2: a nihilus another great fantastic format. You know, that was 396 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: someone who he's aug a big space bug and he 397 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: was immediately drawn to Franklin and was like, how can 398 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 2: I use these powers? He did in some of the 399 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 2: most controversial stuff, and we've seen this is very controversial 400 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 2: in the X Men law as well. There was points 401 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,719 Speaker 2: when he was actually so powerful as a kid that 402 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: read put inhibitors on him to try and help him 403 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 2: lead a normal life, which is something that good old 404 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: Charles Xavier did to Jean Gray. He put psychic inhibitors 405 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 2: on her. And it's funny because when he was young, 406 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: they basically used Franklin and he is perennially young. I mean, 407 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 2: I think now he's still a kid. But back in 408 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: the early days of the character, they kind of tried 409 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: to use him as a kid's character. They put him 410 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: in the power Pack team. You know, they were like, 411 00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 2: what would it be like to be really fun and 412 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 2: see how it goes. But you started to get into 413 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: a lot more weird stuff once he was like essentially 414 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 2: kidnapped by his own grandfather, Nathaniel Richards, who replaced him 415 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 2: with like an evil version of himself, and there was 416 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 2: all from there on, you know, onslaught happens, and Franklin 417 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,199 Speaker 2: is a huge part of that. They want to use 418 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 2: him to absolutely change reality. Like ironically, the most important 419 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: character that they introduced in this movie might be baby Franklin. 420 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: When it comes to what the future of the mc. 421 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: Let me fire some at you. You tell me if 422 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: we are going to see this char Okay, okay, okay, 423 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm ready in this movie or ever right, quick fire, 424 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,679 Speaker 1: here we go Wyatt Wingfoot. 425 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: I think that is actually a high likelihood because with 426 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 2: someone like why wing Foot, we don't have. 427 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 1: He's kind of like the sidekick, human sidekick, friend of 428 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 1: the group. 429 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. Also he's a tracker, he's a marksman. The MCU 430 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:17,879 Speaker 2: currently only has you know, one Native American character with Echo. 431 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 2: I would love to see that. I also think saying 432 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: there's something very interesting about the kind of like athletic 433 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: side of the MCU that we haven't really seen a lot, 434 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 2: which is like how great an athlete would you have 435 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 2: to be to kind of stand up and be why 436 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: I can hang man? Why can absolutely hang? 437 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 1: Okay? Next up Alicia Masters. We kind of discussed it, 438 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: will we. 439 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: I feel like she has to be in this movie. 440 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 2: To me, I think Alicia Masters is like, that's a 441 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 2: core Fantastic four character, may as well be the fifth character. 442 00:25:54,760 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 2: I think that she is high likelihood. I I would 443 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: love to see a blind or sit impired actor play 444 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 2: her like we recently just had him bring her back 445 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 2: an incredible performance from Soro Wang as a blind lead 446 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 2: of the movie, and I wish that we would get 447 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:18,360 Speaker 2: more of that. I think that realistically it should probably 448 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,159 Speaker 2: continue the Kerry Washington trend. I feel like Kerry Washington 449 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,160 Speaker 2: was a very iconic version. I'd love to see black 450 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 2: Alicia Masters again. But I think if we're looking at 451 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: who has already cast, who they cast is the thing. 452 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: I think that a Natasha Leone Alicia Masters is pretty 453 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 2: high on the odds. I think if we really are 454 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 2: realistic about it, Also, you get into so much cool 455 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 2: stuff with her with like the puppet Master. I agree, Yeah, 456 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 2: all these different characters. I feel like the puppet Master 457 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 2: that could definitely be our John Malkovich. So I think 458 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:52,560 Speaker 2: Alicia Masters. The highest likelihood of a fifth kind of 459 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 2: poor character that we would get. 460 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: Next is John Malkovich. 461 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 2: Either of these. 462 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: Old Alternate version Read or old alternate version Nathaniel Richards. 463 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to put a third one out there too, 464 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 2: Old Alternate Version Franklin. I think any three of those 465 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 2: could be real. 466 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,200 Speaker 1: I think I think Old Alternate Franklin is very interesting, right. 467 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:25,719 Speaker 2: I think that'll be really interesting, especially because my biggest 468 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 2: theory that I have been talking about on this podcast, 469 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 2: that's been talked about many times in my house is 470 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: there was a book called Fantastic Four Life Stories. I 471 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 2: think it basically shows the Fantastic Four through different decades 472 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 2: in each issue, and I think that we're going to 473 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 2: get a version of that. I think we are going 474 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 2: to see different eras and ages of these characters. We 475 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 2: know we'll at least see a nine month period because 476 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 2: we see Sue when she's pregnant and we see the baby. 477 00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 2: But I think that some kind of alternate version of 478 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,320 Speaker 2: either Franklin, Nathaniel or Read is very likely. Let's take 479 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: Read off the table because I think he's Pedro Pascal. 480 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 2: I think you can allow him to do what he 481 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,640 Speaker 2: needs to do if you bring him back in as 482 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: a future version. I should add that Nathaniel reads dad. 483 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, Nathaniel Richards, who is Read's dad, who is 484 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 2: often causing mad problems in the MCU and is very 485 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 2: interested in Franklin. I think that's really the high likelihood. 486 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 2: I think Franklin is a cool one. But if I 487 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 2: was going for the most realistic, I think older Nathaniel Richards, 488 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 2: who kind of comes through time to speak to Read 489 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:31,640 Speaker 2: or is in a flashback to Read, wants to talk 490 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,719 Speaker 2: to Franklin. I think that is the most likely. I 491 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 2: like that. 492 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: Okay, finally, well we see either of these Christoph son 493 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: of Doctor. 494 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 2: Doom, whoa I love. 495 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: Well we either see or hear a mention of either 496 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: of these Christoph son of doctor Doom, or any inhuman. 497 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 2: Okay that is I think you're asking very important questions here. 498 00:28:55,960 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: I love Christoph von Doom. I think he's a great character. 499 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 2: First appeared in the kind of JOm Burn almost like 500 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 2: I would say, like his run that was trying to 501 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: do like a man of Steel. But for Fantastic Four 502 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: where it's like half. 503 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: One had one buttons he was pushing in the eighties, 504 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: it was and it was like what if it was 505 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,120 Speaker 1: like back to basics they had mullets. 506 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, they had mullets. Man, what if what if doctors 507 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,200 Speaker 2: do Ma had a cool sun? But yeah? Is Hue 508 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 2: two forty seven? I think nineteen eighty two. I mean, 509 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 2: I love this character. I think it's really interesting. I 510 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: think the best stuff is actually way later when we're 511 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: talking about him being brought back as kind of this 512 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 2: like foil. I think in Sheeholk we were thinking about 513 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 2: him a lot because of what they were pulling from. 514 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 2: I mean, I would love to see that. I think 515 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:48,320 Speaker 2: it could be a great introduction to a kind of 516 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 2: like what is the impact of these characters, Like what 517 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 2: is it like to live in a world where the 518 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: Fantastic Four exists? Is it hard? Does it suck? Now? 519 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: Is it likely that we'll see Christoph before we see 520 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 2: his dad? Maybe in a kind of long term MCU 521 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: phase one setup where we don't know that's who it 522 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 2: is but exactly, or like he's like a playboy that 523 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: Johnny in interacts with. So I think that and it 524 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 2: was your second one. 525 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 1: Any will we get a hint or a mention of 526 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 1: any inhuman We know. 527 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 2: That one of the biggest issues in the MCU's previous 528 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: TV iteration was Jeff Lobes failed in Human series that 529 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: was also released at the Imax, and as you know, 530 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,240 Speaker 2: rumor has it that was such a huge issue for 531 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: Kevin Figi because of the quality that he was like, 532 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: don't do that again, or maybe no more Imax MCU. 533 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 2: That is a rumor, but it is a rumor that 534 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 2: many of us have spoken about. I think that Crystal 535 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: is such a massive part of the fantastic for History 536 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,720 Speaker 2: that if they did want to introduce a inhuman or 537 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 2: think about bringing the inhumans back, and we know that 538 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 2: Kamala Khan, they still did include her inhuman kind of 539 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 2: terror gen missed background a little bit with her new 540 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 2: mutant ideas. So I think that the MCU is inhuman friendly, 541 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 2: and I think that if it was going to be 542 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: in a movie that we get before Secret Wars, it 543 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 2: makes sense that it would be here. I think Crystal 544 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 2: is the obvious choice. And I have to say, we've 545 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 2: already seen a black Bowl in that alternate universe version 546 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 2: of the Illuminati so I think people are open to it. 547 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: I think Kevin Faggy is not against it. I don't 548 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 2: think that in Humans are going to be a big 549 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 2: deal because the Marvel comics universe basically used them as 550 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,479 Speaker 2: an X Men stand in when they couldn't get the 551 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: X Men rights to make the movies, and they wanted 552 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: to make it in Humans a things, so they were 553 00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: in the comics a lot. There's some great in Humans 554 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: comic book runs, but I think that if they do 555 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 2: get introduced, it's just gonna be as like a secondary 556 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 2: cast member. I think Crystal is the most likely. I 557 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 2: think they would probably also love to be able to 558 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: have Lockjaw and Kamala Khan be together, so maybe we 559 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 2: would see Crystal and her dog, and I love that. 560 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be shocked if it set it up here. 561 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: But I don't know if we're actually going to see 562 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: any Inhuman unless we could get some kind of interesting 563 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 2: callback to like read maybe and the Illuminati something he 564 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: tried to set up. I don't know, but in Humans 565 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 2: less likely I think than a Christoph name drop. 566 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a quick break and let's talk about 567 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 1: what comics. If people want to read a comic to 568 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 1: get them ready for Fantastic four. 569 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 2: First steps? 570 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: What comics we would suggest? 571 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 2: Grow back? 572 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: Okay, welcome a comics corner. Let's talk about comics. What 573 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: comics should we read if we want to get ready 574 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: for Fantastic four. We don't know much about Fantastic four, 575 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: or maybe we have read a couple of Fantastic four 576 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: comics and we'd love to know more. Let's suggest some Rosie. 577 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: Where should we start? 578 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: You start? So I had mentioned this in the comic 579 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 2: SPI I'm gonna re iterate. I think this is going 580 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 2: to be your best collection that you can get. Is 581 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 2: going to be fantastic for life story Mark Russell art 582 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 2: by Sean is a Casta so good, and it basically 583 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 2: is a six issue story and it's an exploration of 584 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,680 Speaker 2: their lives if they aged in real time across decades, 585 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 2: which we know. I love because my favorite comic book 586 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: is Love Rockets, where all the characters have aged over 587 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: the last forty plus years. And this is also set 588 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,240 Speaker 2: among the backdrop of the Space race, so I feel 589 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 2: like very coded to what we are seeing in the movie. 590 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 2: And it also allows you to see where they stand 591 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 2: in different periods of history. What the different kind of 592 00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 2: responses are to them, and I think because our general 593 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,920 Speaker 2: theory Jason correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 594 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: we're both on the same kind of page as this 595 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 2: is that they are going to end up with their 596 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 2: world being destroyed. Wherever they are is going to be destroyed, 597 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: and they're going to head into the MCU. So I 598 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 2: think that it's very likely that we're going to get 599 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 2: to see different eras of their lives and different eras 600 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 2: of wherever they are. We don't know if it's a 601 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 2: real universe, if it's a pocket universe. I feel like 602 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: it would be so melancholy for it to be a true, 603 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: huge world that is destroyed, and the Fantastic Four are 604 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 2: usually optimistic, but this is a well. 605 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this because I think this is 606 00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: you hit on a good question. It's one we've been 607 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: talking about. Are they from the universe in which we 608 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: meet them in Fantastic Four first steps or are they 609 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,840 Speaker 1: from somewhere else? And then, because I do agree with 610 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,560 Speaker 1: you that I think the end is they travel to 611 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: the to the main MCU timeline, But are they from 612 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: that place we find them or did they come from 613 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 1: somewhere else? 614 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,760 Speaker 2: That's what I'm interested in because it is so different 615 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,400 Speaker 2: visually from what we've seen before. But at the same time, 616 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 2: I think it looks like a world where the Fantastic 617 00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 2: Four would thrive. Could it be that when they were 618 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 2: went up on their ship and were hit by cosmic 619 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,320 Speaker 2: rays they ended up being sent back to this space 620 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 2: that was a different world. I could believe it was 621 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,520 Speaker 2: this somewhere that Reid wanted to test his powers in 622 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 2: the Interestingly, in the promotional materials that they have sent out, 623 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 2: including a kind of press release about the Fantastic Four 624 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 2: that was and out to celebrate, I believe the final 625 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: trailer they were calling it Retrofuturistic New York from retro 626 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,120 Speaker 2: Futuristic New York, which I found to be very interesting 627 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 2: because that is usually an aesthetic describer rather than like 628 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,920 Speaker 2: a location describer. So yeah, I'm interested to see where 629 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 2: that goes. But also is that too much to fit in? 630 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 2: Is it too much to explain? I think it's quite 631 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 2: clear that whatever happened here is some kind of you know, 632 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 2: they are celebrities. Okay, I'll put out a crazy one. 633 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 2: If we've got like a Nathaniel Richards or a Franklin 634 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 2: or even like if we're going as well to say 635 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 2: like a Bionda, what about this? What about if they 636 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 2: are in that space and they're basically being like kept 637 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,400 Speaker 2: there by a villain to kind of live out this 638 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,320 Speaker 2: horrific thing where they can't save the world. 639 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: I think, you know interesting, I think there's something interesting there. Okay, 640 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,720 Speaker 1: so you're starting with I'm doing why story. I will 641 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,799 Speaker 1: start with this is kind of boring, but I think 642 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: it's important to kind of understand where read goes in 643 00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,840 Speaker 1: kind of modern comics, and I think starting with Ultimate 644 00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: Fantastic Four, Milara and Bendos, I think is a great 645 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,919 Speaker 1: place simply because, as we've talked about on this pod 646 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 1: lots of times, the Ultimate Universe and the kind of 647 00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,600 Speaker 1: modern retellings of the origin stories of the Avengers, of 648 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: Spider Man of the X Men have been very influential 649 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,839 Speaker 1: on the way the MCU has been set up. 650 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:36,880 Speaker 2: So I would. 651 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 1: Imagine that at least some of the kind of character 652 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: angles and plot arcs and the way they set up 653 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: the early years of their powers would probably mirror a 654 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: lot of things you're going to see in Ultimate Fantastic Four, 655 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,880 Speaker 1: which started in two thousand and four, and you're going 656 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: to see, you know, like the the invention and discovery 657 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,760 Speaker 1: of the end Zone aka and Negative Zone. You're gonna 658 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: see a crossover with multiple dimensions, including a Marvel Zombies dimension, 659 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: and just kind of like a good and very low 660 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: lift place to start because you can go in and 661 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: you don't have to know about a bunch of other lore. 662 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's a really good point. I'm going 663 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 2: to go for a wild one, but kind of like 664 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 2: show you if you want to enjoy just the feeling 665 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,960 Speaker 2: like you had when you were a kid, of just 666 00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 2: jumping into a story. I think the Walt Simonson al 667 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 2: Milgrim stuff from the nineties is really good. I think 668 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 2: three fifty three fifty one, and it's really interesting because 669 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 2: mister Fantastic and the Invisible Women have only just kind 670 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,400 Speaker 2: of joined the team. But the thing I think is 671 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 2: most notable about this that might tie in to what 672 00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 2: we're seeing is the big reveal of this book was 673 00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 2: that no Doctor Doom that we'd seen since this sixties 674 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,359 Speaker 2: was actually the real Doctor Doom. And I feel like 675 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: this notion of like, is Robert Downey Jr. Really gonna 676 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 2: be playing Doom? Is this a version of Doom and 677 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,760 Speaker 2: iteration of Doom. Is it gonna end up like Thanos 678 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: in the comics where Jim Stalin just started to make 679 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,520 Speaker 2: every single Thanos was just a clone of Thanos and 680 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,520 Speaker 2: it was only the real Fanos when he wrote it. 681 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 2: I'm interested to see because that is one thing where 682 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560 Speaker 2: you know, we love to stay positive on X ray Vision. 683 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,480 Speaker 2: But I don't know how they're gonna do Robert Downey 684 00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,480 Speaker 2: Junior Doom, and I'm still thinking about it. So I 685 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,280 Speaker 2: think that interesting idea of establishing that there are many 686 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 2: different versions of Doom and the real Doom is kind 687 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: of in that. Barrea is very cool also, I just 688 00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,319 Speaker 2: I love wal Simonson. He's amazing, and that's an all 689 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 2: star team, so it's really fun stuff. And it's actually 690 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 2: the thing is like not even the thing he's wearing 691 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,319 Speaker 2: like a crazy armor and his girlfriend is she thing. 692 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,920 Speaker 2: It was very much in the nineties extreme time, so 693 00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 2: they'd actually had a different Fantastic Four team with like 694 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 2: ghost Ride on it and stuff. But that's a really 695 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 2: fun one, and I think could hint at what they're 696 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,359 Speaker 2: gonna do with audij what's just second pick. 697 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: My second pick is going to be the future Foundation run. 698 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: So this is going to start around Fantastic four, five 699 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: seventy six in twenty ten and then run, you know, 700 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,560 Speaker 1: for a while basically to twenty twenty. And this is 701 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: basically what happens is Reid becomes We're very discouraged with 702 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: science and the way science is deployed on Earth, and 703 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 1: he wants to and even with his alternate versions of himself, 704 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,399 Speaker 1: and so he wants to like put together this more 705 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,600 Speaker 1: optimistic science team to like figure out how they could 706 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: use their research to better the universe. And it's got 707 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 1: this crazy roster that includes like Alex power of power. 708 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: Packt blagging man the way I love power Pack like 709 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 2: nobody nobody loves that, nobody else, no other comic book. 710 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 2: Pocost is talking about power Pack. That's actually Vision Special. 711 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: And Nathaniel is part of it, and Franklin is part 712 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: of it. So I do think, I this is a 713 00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:22,319 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory and I don't believe this, but but I 714 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,319 Speaker 1: kind of wonder if Read and the family being on 715 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: this planet is like part of this future foundation drive 716 00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,759 Speaker 1: to be like wherever they were. It is like I'm 717 00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,319 Speaker 1: not happy, Like this world is terrible, like it's gone bad. 718 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: We need to find a place that's more optimistic, and 719 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: then they find this place where we find them. I 720 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: don't know, but I think it's a wonderful and very 721 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: like heady run with you know, a lot of a 722 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: lot of core kind of like Hickman things, which is 723 00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:01,640 Speaker 1: like the big big ideas, like strong of familial emotions 724 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: and bonds between strange characters, super weird and super cool, 725 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 1: and also like it's you know, like listen. I think 726 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:20,759 Speaker 1: first steps Future Foundation. The way director Max Schackman have 727 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,279 Speaker 1: talked about like the future and the retro future and 728 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:29,759 Speaker 1: the family, I think is possibly a hint that the 729 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,440 Speaker 1: Future Foundation is like involved in. 730 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 2: This mm hm. I think that's a really good call. 731 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 2: And I think as well, just generally, that retrofuturistic angle 732 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,520 Speaker 2: and that vision of the future is really the biggest 733 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:48,640 Speaker 2: question mark because it doesn't feel like it can just 734 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440 Speaker 2: be an aesthetic choice. It feels like it's telling us 735 00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 2: something about the world. It's so different from anything we've 736 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,040 Speaker 2: seen before. So I'm very interested to see how much 737 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 2: they commit. But I think Future Foundation is a solid 738 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,160 Speaker 2: kind of grounded MCU thing that they could do really easily. Okay, 739 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,880 Speaker 2: more and more for me and we'll get to do it, Okay, 740 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 2: So my favorite, I'm gonna go for the classic because 741 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 2: I think it's very going to be very influential. We 742 00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 2: know Galactus is going to be in this movie. We 743 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:16,640 Speaker 2: know a version of the Silver Server is going to 744 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,719 Speaker 2: be in the movie. We're doing it Fantastic four Volume one, 745 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:23,719 Speaker 2: forty eight to fifty. It is the Galactus Trilogy. It 746 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 2: is Stanley, Jack Kirby, Joson at Stan Golbert Sammars, and 747 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:32,120 Speaker 2: just NonStop absolute legends and post a meeting with the 748 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:37,760 Speaker 2: aforementioned in Humans, the crew essentially returns to New York 749 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,879 Speaker 2: and realizes that the Watcher is trying to protect them 750 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 2: from Galactus, which you know he's not supposed to in 751 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 2: get involved, guys, but he always does. And then we 752 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 2: get we get Galactus, we get the Silver Surfer, one 753 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 2: of Jack Kirby's most iconic creations, and the kind of 754 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,960 Speaker 2: low level, like ground level real of like, oh shit, yeah, 755 00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,400 Speaker 2: we're the Fantastic Four, but this is a galaxy planet 756 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 2: eating being. How do we stop it? And I think 757 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,239 Speaker 2: that is going to be the big core conflict at 758 00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 2: the center of the Fantastic Four movie. And it's such 759 00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,080 Speaker 2: a classic awesome, beautiful old school comic. If you're not 760 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 2: somebody who likes to read old school comics who doesn't 761 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,120 Speaker 2: necessarily love the art, this is a great place to 762 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 2: get into it. Jack Kirby is just absolutely at his best. 763 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,080 Speaker 2: This shit's from nineteen sixty five. You know, it looks 764 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 2: so great. It's so easy to find in the comic shop. 765 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,280 Speaker 2: Not single issues, obviously those are worth millions and millions 766 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:43,880 Speaker 2: of dollars now, but you can find many collections of this, 767 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,160 Speaker 2: And I think this is if you're picking like one 768 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,520 Speaker 2: comic to read, you will get to know everything you 769 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 2: need to know about galac Abso the Silver Surfer and 770 00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,120 Speaker 2: guess what, We're also going to have an episode about that, 771 00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 2: so you can read along and then get nerdy with 772 00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 2: us about it too. But yeah, I think that has 773 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 2: to be there. Jason, what's your last pick? 774 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: My final pick is listen. We're recording this on Wednesday, 775 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: July second, it's New Comic Day every Wednesday, and out 776 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,920 Speaker 1: today at your comic book shop. Is fantastic. Four First 777 00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: Steps and I'm gonna go pick it up. And it 778 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: looks very interesting to me. Written by Matt Fraction, who were. 779 00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:20,279 Speaker 2: How exciting is a new Matt Fraction comic like that 780 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:24,400 Speaker 2: is like Mark mat Fraction, the thing fastic that we 781 00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,799 Speaker 2: used to wish for, we were not getting it, and 782 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 2: it's been so long, and I'm so excited that is 783 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,319 Speaker 2: he's back and he's going to be on Batman soon, 784 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 2: so we're really getting that. I know. The Matt Fraction 785 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 2: Renaissance is here. 786 00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,959 Speaker 1: Cover by Phil Noto, art by Mark Buckingham, and here's 787 00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: the here's the blurb, which I think this sounds quite 788 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,520 Speaker 1: quight fascinating. Four years ago the world was transformed as 789 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,759 Speaker 1: an amazing cosmic powered quartet revealed themselves and their astonishing abilities. 790 00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,239 Speaker 1: Since that time, they have become world famous that it's 791 00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 1: the Fantastic Four. Now, to celebrate that anniversary, Marvel recounts 792 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: their very first exploit that saved our city from your destruction. 793 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,640 Speaker 2: So it's gonna be interesting. It's saying up what we're 794 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,360 Speaker 2: going to see in the movie, let's be real, and 795 00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:08,680 Speaker 2: I love that for us. 796 00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:12,799 Speaker 1: Well, I can't I'm I'm excited, I can't wait. I 797 00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: am actually like tremendous, like I can't believe this is happening. 798 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of crazy when you start to 799 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 2: think about it. I know. I'm like, Okay, wait a minute, guys, 800 00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 2: I'm like, maybe we've been in the fatigue. Maybe people 801 00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,360 Speaker 2: have been tired. Maybe you know, these are not hitting 802 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 2: in the way that the exacts and the C suite 803 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,920 Speaker 2: probably want them to. But you know what, we have 804 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 2: been waiting a long long time for a good Fantastic 805 00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 2: four movie. 806 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,120 Speaker 1: And maybe listen, what does fatigue really mean. It means 807 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: that the casual, the normal fans who like the you know, 808 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:56,120 Speaker 1: the popcorn bucket summer movie fans have maybe uh tired 809 00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,839 Speaker 1: of gone looking in different directions. But four people who 810 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 1: love this stuff like this is this is gonna be 811 00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: a fun summer. 812 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a really fun summer. 813 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,480 Speaker 1: On the next episode of Extra Vision, we're diving into 814 00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: the antagonists ooh, the Fantastic four movie, Galactus and the 815 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 1: Silver Surfer. That's it for this episode. Thanks you for listening. 816 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:16,240 Speaker 2: Bye. 817 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,880 Speaker 1: X ray Vision is hosted by Jason Sepsion and Rosie 818 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,200 Speaker 1: Knight and is a production of iHeart Podcasts. 819 00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,319 Speaker 2: Our executive producers are Joel Monique and Aaron Kaufman. Our 820 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,880 Speaker 2: supervising producer is Abu Zafar. Our producers are Common Laurent 821 00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:32,560 Speaker 2: Dean Jonathan and Fay Wag. 822 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,439 Speaker 1: A theme song is by Brian Vasquez, with alternate theme 823 00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:36,760 Speaker 1: songs by Aaron Kaufman. 824 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,319 Speaker 2: Special thanks to Soul Rubin, Chris Lord, Kenny Goodman and 825 00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,239 Speaker 2: Heidi Our disc called moderate Thom