Speaker 1: Hey, folks, Well, where were you on July tenth, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety nine. Oh, you don't remember where you were that
Speaker 1: day because it was twenty five years ago. Well what
Speaker 1: if I say, where were you when Brandy Chassain made
Speaker 1: that goal to give the US women the World Cup?
Speaker 1: Now do you remember where you were? Well, our guest
Speaker 1: today remembers where she was because she was on the
Speaker 1: field when it happened. And welcome to this episode of
Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Worlds. You have seen me a lot
Speaker 1: once we get going here and our we oftentimes greet
Speaker 1: our guests. If they're on zoom, we'll say hello to them,
Speaker 1: just to you know, get a couple of pleasantries out
Speaker 1: of the way. You have seen me greet a lot
Speaker 1: of our guests. Describe the greeting I just gave her.
Speaker 2: It was loud and enthusiastic and genuinely filled with just joy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am as giddy as it gets because there
Speaker 1: are moments, there are so many moments in our lives
Speaker 1: where they sometimes they're tragic that you know exactly where
Speaker 1: you were. This is one of unbridled joy that collectively
Speaker 1: I think we had as a country twenty five years
Speaker 1: ago that put us on a path now. Quite frankly,
Speaker 1: folks don't even understand why they love women's soccer right now.
Speaker 1: That might be some kids that don't even realize why
Speaker 1: they were introduced to it and how it came about.
Speaker 1: But that team twenty five years ago was everything to
Speaker 1: dud just women's soccer, but maybe just women's athletics in
Speaker 1: this country.
Speaker 3: It's so true.
Speaker 2: I think I've never that was like the first time
Speaker 2: I think as a woman I felt proud of a
Speaker 2: female team in a way that I mean, I obviously
Speaker 2: personally had nothing to do with it, but just the
Speaker 2: fact that we could and we did, and there were
Speaker 2: those of us proving other people wrong, that not only
Speaker 2: were we capable of such incredible acts of athleticism, but
Speaker 2: that people cared, people watched, and it mattered, and that
Speaker 2: was huge for little girls everywhere. I love what people
Speaker 2: I read somewhere someone wrote about this team, this US
Speaker 2: women's soccer team, It is the team that taught America
Speaker 2: to love soccer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just thought that was such a perfect
Speaker 3: way to put it.
Speaker 1: That is so true. And again, I grew up. We
Speaker 1: both grew up in the side. We grew up in
Speaker 1: places where it was Friday night lights football football, football, football.
Speaker 1: We didn't grow up my parents are. Never a moment
Speaker 1: in my life ever crossed my mind that I would
Speaker 1: play soccer. But I'm watching this team now, and I
Speaker 1: watched every pretty much everything. So it was one of
Speaker 1: those do you remember where you were? And this sounds crazy,
Speaker 1: I was. I was in Red Lobster.
Speaker 3: You were working You worked at Red Lobster? Were you
Speaker 3: working there?
Speaker 1: Ninety nine? It was my senior year of college and
Speaker 1: I worked at Red Lobster. The shirt and everything had
Speaker 1: fish on it. Yes, But back then and in Arkansas,
Speaker 1: there was you remember the days when restaurants used to
Speaker 1: have a smoking or non smoking segment. Yes, I don't
Speaker 1: have that anymore, but at Red Lobster and Fetville Arkins,
Speaker 1: the smoking section is the one that had the TV.
Speaker 3: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: So I had to go into that section where the
Speaker 1: bar was to get drinks from my tables. People were
Speaker 1: struggling to get their drinks that night because as you
Speaker 1: walked out, the TV was above that walkway, so I
Speaker 1: would stop and stare at the screen and watch the
Speaker 1: game instead of delivering the butt light to the table.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how were your tips that night?
Speaker 1: I don't think I did well and I didn't care,
Speaker 1: but we got all into it and caught up and
Speaker 1: watched that moment. But look, we talked about Caitlin Clark
Speaker 1: these days. We talked about the WNBA and some of
Speaker 1: the superstars there. But these were the first superstars I
Speaker 1: remember in my life that were women that I looked
Speaker 1: up to, female athletes. That is, that was a first
Speaker 1: in my life at the time.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, Mia Hamm.
Speaker 2: We mentioned Ry Chastain and uh wait, wasn't there someone
Speaker 2: else who was very pivotal when things come down to
Speaker 2: pks and you're holding your breast and you think, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I can't imagine being the kicker or the goalkeeper.
Speaker 1: Or the goalkeeper and the goalkeeper. Now, if folks take
Speaker 1: folks back to that that match, it went full time.
Speaker 1: That means they play a full match, an extra time
Speaker 1: and the US women and China did not score. It
Speaker 1: was zero zero, so we're going to penalty kicks. Everybody
Speaker 1: made the penalty kip except for one young lady from China.
Speaker 1: She was stopped by the US goalkeeper. And that I
Speaker 1: know that that Brandy Chastain moment is iconic and it
Speaker 1: will forever be there. But the only reason that moment
Speaker 1: could happen is because of a moment that Brianna Scurry
Speaker 1: allowed to happen. She is the goalkeeper of that team.
Speaker 1: She's a two time goal medalist, World Cup champion, author
Speaker 1: of the book My Greatest Save, and she is a
Speaker 1: Soccer Hall of Famer. And what else is she?
Speaker 4: She's here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: I mean if you all could have heard DJ say,
Speaker 2: oh my god, hello and yes, we are so honored
Speaker 2: Brianna to have you here with us. It is just
Speaker 2: your smiling face. If everyone could see the beautiful backdrop
Speaker 2: you have, what a cool room, You've got your jerseys
Speaker 2: behind you, and just you know, you are not just
Speaker 2: an inspiration on the field, you have been one off
Speaker 2: the field because you have had quite the journey, as
Speaker 2: so many professional athletes do, coming from such highs and
Speaker 2: then having to deal with what happens after you had
Speaker 2: a traumatic injury, a traumatic brain injury.
Speaker 3: And to be where you are now.
Speaker 2: Just congratulations on all of your success and the young
Speaker 2: women and boys i'm sure too, who you still inspire
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 3: So thank you for all that.
Speaker 2: You continue to do in keeping kids active and giving
Speaker 2: them hope and inspiration. Anybody, if they put their heart
Speaker 2: and mind to it, can be what they want to be.
Speaker 5: Is there anywhere I could possibly take the two of
Speaker 5: you on the road with me to do my intros
Speaker 5: for my speaking engagement?
Speaker 1: Will everybody needs a hype man, We will be your
Speaker 1: hype couple.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to Phoenix tomorrow. Will you meet me there?
Speaker 2: You guys?
Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, we are free as of this moment.
Speaker 4: You guys are great. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's it's so crazy that it's twenty
Speaker 5: five years A and B. That basically means that it
Speaker 5: was like half my life ago. So that's kind of
Speaker 5: nutty as well. And I love that when TJ was
Speaker 5: at the Red Lobster because my mom loved her some
Speaker 5: red Lobster. That's hilarious. And it's great to be here
Speaker 5: and Amy, great to see.
Speaker 4: You as well.
Speaker 5: You guys are I'm big fans of yours as well,
Speaker 5: So it's really awesome to be on with you guys today.
Speaker 5: That moment was incredible, I mean, it really was. But
Speaker 5: what's even more interesting about that moment, and TJ mentioned it,
Speaker 5: how normally a person when they think about where they
Speaker 5: were wins, something happened. It's usually tragic, you know, it's
Speaker 5: usually a tragedy of some sort, but this time, for us,
Speaker 5: it's one of one of joy great joy to be
Speaker 5: an American that day.
Speaker 4: So it was awesome.
Speaker 5: I mean, we not only impacted young girls all over
Speaker 5: the country but all over the world, really made them
Speaker 5: see what they could be, uh, you know, in time.
Speaker 5: And also it was so funny for me to meet
Speaker 5: grown men in the airports in the years after, you know,
Speaker 5: come up to me and tell me their story about
Speaker 5: where they were, and they were all emotional, you know,
Speaker 5: they're like and I was at the cabin with my
Speaker 5: buddies and we were like just jumping up and down
Speaker 5: when you guys won, and it was awesome. I've never
Speaker 5: seen female sports before in my life, but that was awesome.
Speaker 5: Made me cry, and so stuff like that. It really
Speaker 5: is rewarding to here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was one of those guys. Yes we have
Speaker 1: we have a group. Well you know, but what what
Speaker 1: how long did it take you when, oh, did you
Speaker 1: have a good idea in the moment? Just how big
Speaker 1: the moment was, because I mean maybe, I mean we
Speaker 1: were all watching and we were collected and seeing this
Speaker 1: was a cool moment, but it has to a lot
Speaker 1: of ways changed the course of history of athletics in
Speaker 1: this country in a lot of ways. How long did
Speaker 1: it take you to realize how big of a deal
Speaker 1: that that was?
Speaker 5: Well, I feel that anybody on my team, except for
Speaker 5: Julie that says they understood what the moment was, I
Speaker 5: don't think they really did.
Speaker 4: And I am one of those that didn't.
Speaker 5: I mean, in terms of big moments, it was literally
Speaker 5: one save out of a thousand, right, But it was
Speaker 5: the moment that when the save was under the circumstances,
Speaker 5: it was under the one hundred and seven degrees on
Speaker 5: the pitch, ninety thousand people holding their collective breath about,
Speaker 5: you know, after all this overtime, and so it was
Speaker 5: like the save herd around the world, and the rippled
Speaker 5: effect of that is really immeasurable in my opinion. I mean,
Speaker 5: back then, they didn't have women's athletic divisions and stores
Speaker 5: like Lululemon and Nike and Athleta like. Those things didn't
Speaker 5: exist back then, and now they do. All the other
Speaker 5: countries around the world now put resources into their women's
Speaker 5: teams at the national level.
Speaker 4: They didn't really before.
Speaker 5: All these other countries are really you know, trying to
Speaker 5: fund that, and it matters now. In FIFA for example
Speaker 5: as well, the governing body for soccer, we were just
Speaker 5: like an afterthought. They didn't even let us use the
Speaker 5: name FIFA Women's World Cup until fairly recently, right before
Speaker 5: that tournament. And so that's really what it means. Things
Speaker 5: just keep reverberating throughout and all the players now. I
Speaker 5: just was in New Jersey the other day and I
Speaker 5: met Alissa Naiir's mom, who's a goalkeeper on the team now,
Speaker 5: and she told me, and this is what's really cool
Speaker 5: about it. She told me that she and her daughter
Speaker 5: were at the game in the Meadowlands the nineteen ninety nine,
Speaker 5: the first game we played, and she was like eight
Speaker 5: years old, Oh wow, nine years old, and she said
Speaker 5: that they were there and she said thank you to
Speaker 5: me for changing the trajectory of her daughter's Lifewhile. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's the kind of stuff that it's been and how
Speaker 5: it's affected people, and that's the kind of stuff I
Speaker 5: didn't quite understand.
Speaker 4: At the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it wasn't even that long
Speaker 2: ago that kick like a girl throw like a girl,
Speaker 2: run like a girl was a negative thing that you
Speaker 2: said to somebody. You weren't trying hard enough, you weren't
Speaker 2: doing it strong enough, you weren't doing it fast enough,
Speaker 2: and you all proved everybody wrong and things started to
Speaker 2: shift from that moment on looking back and just seeing
Speaker 2: how you came up, you had so many firsts. I
Speaker 2: love that you were the baby of nine kids too,
Speaker 2: by the way, yess awesome. But you were the only
Speaker 2: girl on a boys football team. You were the only
Speaker 2: black girl on this soccer team. Who did you look to?
Speaker 2: Who could you even potentially have modeled yourself after? How
Speaker 2: did you know that you could do it? You could
Speaker 2: be the one?
Speaker 5: Well? I got really lucky, to tell you the truth,
Speaker 5: My mom and dad were truly my initial inspiration and support.
Speaker 4: My dad always used to say, always be first.
Speaker 5: And at the time he was telling me that, he
Speaker 5: was referring.
Speaker 4: To the bus stop. He's like, oh, get out.
Speaker 5: There, don't wait to the bus you know comes And
Speaker 5: I'm like, Dad, well, we're all going to get on
Speaker 5: the bus.
Speaker 4: And he's like no, He's like, you want to be
Speaker 4: the first one in line.
Speaker 5: And I was like, all right, fine, you know, and
Speaker 5: I was like, And then he also would always tell
Speaker 5: me to keep my eye on the ball.
Speaker 4: And at the time, I was like, what are you
Speaker 4: talking about?
Speaker 5: What ball?
Speaker 4: Like, like, what do you mean by that?
Speaker 5: But he was instilling in me all these one liners
Speaker 5: A but B, these lessons that are so pivotal and
Speaker 5: important for a young person to understand that gets them
Speaker 5: to where they want to go in their life. And
Speaker 5: so when I said I wanted to be an Olympian
Speaker 5: at age eight, my mom and dad were right there
Speaker 5: with me. They fortunately didn't think it was silly or
Speaker 5: goofy or didn't say, oh, well, girls can't do that,
Speaker 5: and honey, you know that's really hard, so maybe shoot.
Speaker 4: A little bit lower.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, they were like, you can be anything
Speaker 5: you set your mind too. So beginning in my life,
Speaker 5: basically that was number one, was my mom and dad.
Speaker 5: And then I had a couple of inspirations in sports,
Speaker 5: so basketball was actually my favorite, not soccer.
Speaker 4: Soccer was like number three.
Speaker 5: It was like in a football like American football, basketball,
Speaker 5: and then soccer was number three.
Speaker 1: Which one were you at early on Washington?
Speaker 4: Do you remember Pearl Washington played at Syracuse? Okay, he
Speaker 4: was my He was my inspiration. Him and Cheryl Miller
Speaker 4: who played at US school. Yeah I remember Cheryl.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So they were my inspirations on the court, but
Speaker 5: still inspirations in them.
Speaker 1: The left well count What were you better at early on? Basketball?
Speaker 1: Football or soccer?
Speaker 2: Right? I know?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 4: So I was.
Speaker 5: I thought I was better at football in fourth and
Speaker 5: fifth grade.
Speaker 4: But the trade off I made. I made a deal
Speaker 4: with my mom.
Speaker 5: She's like, you can play football as long as you
Speaker 5: play in the lightweight division. I was like, yes, and
Speaker 5: that was two years and I tried to negotiate one
Speaker 5: more year.
Speaker 4: She said no, so.
Speaker 5: I had to replace it, and I replaced it with soccer.
Speaker 4: So it all worked out.
Speaker 5: But I was much better as a goalkeeper than anything else.
Speaker 4: And to me in high school as a goalkeeper.
Speaker 2: Watching the goalkeeper, I mean, this one, this one right
Speaker 2: here can't stand when it goes to penalty kicks.
Speaker 3: He's so stressed out.
Speaker 2: And I was like, can you imagine being I'm always
Speaker 2: thinking the parent of the kid or the guy or
Speaker 2: the girl who's sitting there, and all the pressure is
Speaker 2: on you get You don't get a lot of the glory,
Speaker 2: but you have all of the pressure. Did you immediately
Speaker 2: gravitate towards being a goalkeeper. How did that come about?
Speaker 4: You guys? So get it. I love it, I love it.
Speaker 5: You can get it. You totally get it. Like goalkeeping
Speaker 5: is like ultra high pressure, ultra low reward yep, and
Speaker 5: being a forward is the opposite. Like as a forward,
Speaker 5: you could miss five out of seven chances and be
Speaker 5: the star making two goals. But I can't miss, you know,
Speaker 5: like like I'm about to get yanked out of the games.
Speaker 5: But I actually really loved goalkeeping because I could control
Speaker 5: the fate of the other team.
Speaker 4: I learned that very early on in my life that
Speaker 4: I could control whether the other team could win or not.
Speaker 4: And I really like that.
Speaker 5: I closet control freak. As it turned out, sot but so,
Speaker 5: you know, so I wasn't.
Speaker 4: Really thinking at.
Speaker 5: All about you know, boy, this goal is really big.
Speaker 5: Two hundred and sixty six balls can fit across the
Speaker 5: face of a goal and only one has to go.
Speaker 4: In, so that thing is huge.
Speaker 5: And I was like, you know what, this is my place,
Speaker 5: and I absolutely loved it, and I figured I can
Speaker 5: control the other team's fate.
Speaker 4: And it turns out I was right.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute the US women's national team won
Speaker 1: in a World Cup in nineteen ninety nine, because you
Speaker 1: decided you were a control freak. I mean, I'm just
Speaker 1: putting it on the simple as term. So that's where
Speaker 1: I just heard youself.
Speaker 2: Okay, from one control freak to the other.
Speaker 1: Can I ask, though, because we differ on this, because
Speaker 1: we've just finished watching the EuroCup. We are a hardcore.
Speaker 1: We're in it when anytime there's an international competition, and
Speaker 1: Copoor America we watched all of that as well. Do
Speaker 1: you like penalty kicks as a soccer Hall of Famer
Speaker 1: because my opinion is that, you know what, they just
Speaker 1: fight it out. I would hate for it to come
Speaker 1: down to who can make a penalty. I would rather
Speaker 1: decided on the pitch during the match. Robes is kind
Speaker 1: of the opposite of drama. So you, as a goalie,
Speaker 1: what do you prefer?
Speaker 4: I have to.
Speaker 5: Honestly say that I prefer my team to win the
Speaker 5: game before hand it, yeah, because not because I don't
Speaker 5: like penalties. I absolutely embraced them. Why because I'm gonna
Speaker 5: have to do it at some point. It just don't
Speaker 5: you know, You're going to have to deal with it
Speaker 5: as a goalkeeper, and you may as well be great
Speaker 5: at it, you know, because it's going to happen at
Speaker 5: the most inopportune time, in the biggest moments of your life,
Speaker 5: because there's no penalties until you know, the knockout round,
Speaker 5: and so that's the for all the marvels. You know,
Speaker 5: if you can't handle the PK, then you're going home.
Speaker 5: So you better figure it out. And so like you
Speaker 5: saw the Euros and Copa. You know, the best goalkeepers
Speaker 5: in those in those tournaments were saving you know, one.
Speaker 4: Two, three pk sometimes.
Speaker 5: And I mean they were the hero and then the
Speaker 5: very next game comes and they basically forget about him.
Speaker 5: So when it's your turn, right, and that's all it
Speaker 5: is to it, you gotta you gotta earn your earn
Speaker 5: your keep.
Speaker 1: You'll remember, was it Portugal? There was a goalie who
Speaker 1: went to penalty kicks. He was stopping everything. He was
Speaker 1: the greatest man, he was everything.
Speaker 3: To your point, we can't remainer.
Speaker 1: But next match they got everything passed in the next
Speaker 1: match exactly.
Speaker 4: How much pressure and nobody said a word about it.
Speaker 3: It's true, it was done.
Speaker 2: How much pressure like can you describe what it feels like,
Speaker 2: what it feels like when everything is on the line,
Speaker 2: you're exhausted from playing for as long and as hard
Speaker 2: as you all have. What does it feel like to
Speaker 2: be the goalkeeper in those moments?
Speaker 5: Well, for me, I was excited because I was like,
Speaker 5: we're going to win this thing now that I can
Speaker 5: control it. So my my my mission was to save one, absolutely,
Speaker 5: save one, maybe too, and then everybody else's job was
Speaker 5: just to make one. It was that simple, save one,
Speaker 5: make one. And so that's the mindset we had. We
Speaker 5: trained it and everything, and it's a little bit nerve wracking.
Speaker 5: But once that referee blew that final whistle, I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: it's on. Now it's my turn to do to do
Speaker 5: my thing. And I don't watch my teammates kick because
Speaker 5: that's not my job, that's not my part. So I
Speaker 5: don't even put that in my mind. I just listened
Speaker 5: to the crowd reaction.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, okay, now you're talking. Now we're going full
Speaker 1: soccer fan. Now, Okay, In those moments when you're standing there,
Speaker 1: what is that goalies strategy? This is one on one,
Speaker 1: Like you said, there are two hundred and sixty six
Speaker 1: spots that ball can go into. What is your strategy.
Speaker 1: Do you actually have you studied each of the other
Speaker 1: players and know where they're more prone to go? Is
Speaker 1: it just a guess? Do you wait for them to react?
Speaker 5: What do you do?
Speaker 4: Actually, that's a great question, TJ.
Speaker 5: There's two trains of a thought on that some goalkeepers
Speaker 5: guests read. I'm a reader, so I read the where
Speaker 5: the hips are. I read the distance from the ball.
Speaker 5: I read the angle of the approach. You can see
Speaker 5: if you train it enough. And then also you go
Speaker 5: on instinct. So I actually married the two together. But
Speaker 5: I will say this, on that third kicker against China,
Speaker 5: I knew I was going to save it before I
Speaker 5: even got in the goal.
Speaker 3: You just had a gut feeling.
Speaker 4: I had a gut feeling.
Speaker 5: I would normally walk into the goal and not even
Speaker 5: look at them, because I was saying earlier, I only
Speaker 5: focused on what was my job. But for some reason
Speaker 5: why I was walking into the goal on a third kicker,
Speaker 5: something in my mind said look. I heard the word
Speaker 5: look in my mind and I looked at her and
Speaker 5: I'm like, this is the one. And I knew I
Speaker 5: was going to save it before I even got in there.
Speaker 5: I get sure enough, I did, and somebody was like, well,
Speaker 5: what if you admit what if you were called back
Speaker 5: because you were off the line? I said, you know what,
Speaker 5: no matter where she was kicking it, I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 2: I know that feeling where you just you know, you
Speaker 2: know when you're gonna mess up before you do it,
Speaker 2: and you know when you're gonna nail.
Speaker 3: It before you do it. But that's so cool.
Speaker 1: You remember a moment you've had.
Speaker 3: Yes on television one hundred.
Speaker 1: Percent, you're gonna nail it, Yes, nailed it.
Speaker 3: Yes, Yes. And then there were times when I knew
Speaker 3: I was going to choke and I did.
Speaker 1: I can remember some of those times.
Speaker 5: They're recorded, the moment I hope the making was was
Speaker 5: there for you and choking.
Speaker 2: No. But there's just like this, if you're in touch
Speaker 2: with I don't know, with the energy of everything, I
Speaker 2: feel like you can sense it.
Speaker 4: It's a real thing.
Speaker 5: It's real like athletes always talking about how the world
Speaker 5: slows down or the wall looks bigger, or I'm going
Speaker 5: in slow motion, Like you can feel it.
Speaker 4: You can feel that. It's almost like the universe like
Speaker 4: just kind of comes together for.
Speaker 5: You and you get it.
Speaker 1: I agree you said the universe and you're you're talking
Speaker 1: her language now, and she's got me on breed. This
Speaker 1: idea of not ignoring the signs that the universe gives you.
Speaker 1: Don't just say you could have been out there and going, ah,
Speaker 1: some random I didn't really hear a voice, so you
Speaker 1: could have done all kinds of things, but you didn't
Speaker 1: ignore it. You listen to it and it all worked out.
Speaker 1: That's something you taught me.
Speaker 3: Rot I mean, I truly believe that. I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 2: Even when I just did my little gymnastics, I knew
Speaker 2: before I got on the beam whether or not I
Speaker 2: was gonna fall or not, Like I really did. I
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't gonna be good or I'm gonna
Speaker 2: nail this. I'm not, you know, And it was the
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's unexplainable, but you feel it.
Speaker 5: It is hard to explain. I've been years and years
Speaker 5: and years. Every time I say, oh, I knew I
Speaker 5: was going to say, but people were like.
Speaker 3: Come on now, really, I'm like, really, I believe it.
Speaker 5: Really.
Speaker 1: Usually for me it's just wow, I hope this goes well.
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed.
Speaker 1: That's all I can owe for right, I get that.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 1: Do you commemorate? How do you what do your anniversaries
Speaker 1: look like?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I know twenty five is a big one, but does
Speaker 1: the team get together? Do you all do a video?
Speaker 1: Do you text? Or do the anniversaries come and go?
Speaker 5: We are some texting fools, TJ. I mean we have
Speaker 5: this text chain that is just like everybody's birthday. Everybody's this,
Speaker 5: everybody's that. I mean, we we celebrate each other all
Speaker 5: the time. But just recently, just this last weekend, we
Speaker 5: were all in New Jersey for the July thirteenth game
Speaker 5: of the current team and we had our anniversary celebration
Speaker 5: and every single player on that ninety nineteen was there
Speaker 5: for the first time in like twenty five years.
Speaker 2: That is so cool and every single one and this
Speaker 2: new team is on their way to Paris. If they're
Speaker 2: not already there, now.
Speaker 4: What they're there? They're there, mart right now?
Speaker 3: What are you seeing? What do you think is going
Speaker 3: to happen? What do you think they're going to be
Speaker 3: able to do?
Speaker 5: Well, that's a great question we had. So Emma Hayes,
Speaker 5: let's start with her, the coach. Now I've known her
Speaker 5: for a long time, she was actually in the country
Speaker 5: coaching for many years here in the United States, so
Speaker 5: I've known her for years.
Speaker 4: And she invited the team ninety nine ers to have lunch.
Speaker 5: With the current team, and it was a stroke of
Speaker 5: genius in my opinion, And we told them what it
Speaker 5: would take to win, and we told them what we
Speaker 5: saw in them. And for me, I saw that that
Speaker 5: team had the talent to shock the world and win
Speaker 5: the whole thing.
Speaker 4: And as even though they're young and nine of them.
Speaker 5: Are brand new to the Olympics, it's the first time
Speaker 5: and a lot of people are saying they're not playing
Speaker 5: that well, and none of that stuff matters. Come game one,
Speaker 5: Game two, all you have to do is be present.
Speaker 4: That's something else I told them. Run the game plan.
Speaker 4: You got to believe in it.
Speaker 5: The twenty two of you are the only thing that
Speaker 5: matters in this room. Nothing else, not social media.
Speaker 4: Not reporters, not your parents, not your family, nothing. You
Speaker 4: control it. And you decide.
Speaker 5: Now, if the twenty two of you can do that
Speaker 5: together and get all your arrows going in the same direction,
Speaker 5: you could get that gold and bring it home.
Speaker 4: So that's what I feel. I mean, I'm always gonna
Speaker 4: bet on them, but I told them that they could
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 1: You said they needed my help. This is so cool
Speaker 1: that you said something that almost seems unfathomable that the
Speaker 1: US women's national team could win a tournament and it
Speaker 1: would be a shock because we're so used to the
Speaker 1: US women's national team being a stellar, being elite, and
Speaker 1: in fact you know this obviously. But maybe people don't
Speaker 1: drop to the lowest ranking number five, like that's terrible
Speaker 1: or something. But it had a twenty year it is okay,
Speaker 1: sorry I'm speaking out of turn, but for us, they
Speaker 1: it was a twenty year stretch of just being number
Speaker 1: one and number two, and there were six year stretches
Speaker 1: within that that stayed at number one. So what explain
Speaker 1: or maybe even calm down some people who are so
Speaker 1: used to the success, which is great. We are trained
Speaker 1: to think that this team is going to win every tournament.
Speaker 1: What has happened that has gotten the team that's from
Speaker 1: I know one or two to number five and now
Speaker 1: not necessarily a favorite going to the Olympics. What have
Speaker 1: you seen this team do over the last couple of
Speaker 1: years has gotten it to not being one or two.
Speaker 4: So it's two things. TJ.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's it's we are a products. This is a
Speaker 5: product of our own success. So the rock that was
Speaker 5: dropped in the lake and the ripple effects of that
Speaker 5: are other countries Spain, France, England, all these other countries.
Speaker 5: Brazil pouring more resources into their women's national team and
Speaker 5: guess what that means a direct impact on.
Speaker 4: Our current team to have to play against them.
Speaker 5: And Spain is fantastic now They've been great for many,
Speaker 5: many decades on the men's side, and now the women's
Speaker 5: side is playing similarly. Why because they have more resources,
Speaker 5: same with England. They went it to the final last
Speaker 5: year and the Women's World Cup, and they're up for it.
Speaker 5: They're feisty, they're expecting something to happen for themselves. They
Speaker 5: believe in it. They see us do it, they're like,
Speaker 5: why not us? And so that has been the number
Speaker 5: one reason. Number two is, I think, honestly, because the
Speaker 5: team is really young and so we haven't won the
Speaker 5: Olympics since twenty twelve. But if you look at our history,
Speaker 5: when we don't win Olympics, we win the World Cup.
Speaker 5: When we don't win the World Cup, we win the Olympics.
Speaker 5: And so now people are like, well, this team hasn't
Speaker 5: won much of anything most of these players, but don't
Speaker 5: count them out. I mean, we know what's expected of us,
Speaker 5: and those young players know they're expected to win, whether
Speaker 5: whenever you put that jersey on, whether you've been there
Speaker 5: for a minute or ten years, the expectation is to win.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they understand.
Speaker 2: You mentioned resources, and that's been, of course, a huge
Speaker 2: news story over the last several years, Megan Rauppino among
Speaker 2: many leading the way where are you on and where
Speaker 2: is us women's soccer in terms of resources and getting
Speaker 2: what they need to be the best they can be.
Speaker 5: Well, the one thing that was the most important thing
Speaker 5: that happened is one of my teammates is now president
Speaker 5: of the Soccer Federation.
Speaker 4: Happened right, and so.
Speaker 5: She she had she got in there and she handled it,
Speaker 5: you know. She she actually said, Cindy said to me
Speaker 5: a while ago. I saw her when we were here
Speaker 5: at the White House a couple of months back. She said,
Speaker 5: I got tired of complaining from the outside in, and
Speaker 5: She's like, I decided I was going to do something
Speaker 5: on the inside. And she got the vice presidency and
Speaker 5: ascended to the presidency and so she's the one that
Speaker 5: really spearheaded that understanding that the women deserve equal pay.
Speaker 5: And why is that because their ticket receipts there, they're raiders,
Speaker 5: the raid, the ratings they're in bringing in their sponsorships.
Speaker 5: For the four year period that US Soccer does budgeting,
Speaker 5: they were equal to or just above the men. And
Speaker 5: so once you got that piece in line, along with
Speaker 5: someone who understood it it matters, and then talking to
Speaker 5: the men's team, they were able to secure that understanding
Speaker 5: and get that equity done. And so that's very recent
Speaker 5: and now you have all this other income coming in
Speaker 5: with broadcasting, the TV rights and licensing and different you know,
Speaker 5: sponsorships that.
Speaker 4: Are long term, more you know, more of a partnership
Speaker 4: than ever before.
Speaker 5: With the federation, these companies are pouring millions and tens
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars in and so that is really
Speaker 5: helping now.
Speaker 4: So we're on a really good footing and we have the.
Speaker 5: Same contract those women have the same contracts as the
Speaker 5: men do.
Speaker 4: For national teams.
Speaker 1: You mentioned contracts there, yeah, and you mentioned TV rights.
Speaker 1: We were talking about USA and the Federation in soccer,
Speaker 1: but the National Women in Soccer League, which obviously has
Speaker 1: reached so many benefits from what you all did twenty
Speaker 1: five years ago. TV Rights just signed a new year
Speaker 1: deal for two hundred and forty million dollars a long
Speaker 1: term deal. The deal before that was worth four and
Speaker 1: a half million.
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: That that's that's insane, but but it's it's insane, but
Speaker 1: it's also insane in a good way in that, Wow,
Speaker 1: look at how this is exploding and people are watching soccer.
Speaker 1: So you talk about receipts for women, twenty six percent
Speaker 1: attendance was up last year at national women's soccer games,
Speaker 1: forty one percent viewership increase. People are watching, So some
Speaker 1: of it is, yes, porn resources is great, but you
Speaker 1: got to have some viewership and it's going up, up, up,
Speaker 1: up up. I know right that this is so prideful
Speaker 1: for you and you're not going to take obviously some
Speaker 1: individual credit for it. But to hear those types of things,
Speaker 1: to go from two hundred and forty million for a
Speaker 1: TV deal when it was just four and a half
Speaker 1: million the time before. What pride wells up in you
Speaker 1: when you see a Caitlin Clark, when you see women's
Speaker 1: athletics and the WNBA continuing to grow the way it does.
Speaker 1: What wells up in you when you think about the
Speaker 1: contribution you and your teammates made twenty five years ago.
Speaker 5: He did. It's the greatest honor of my life, honestly,
Speaker 5: I mean, other than my marriage to my sweetheart and
Speaker 5: being in the Smithsonian, the National African American Museum of
Speaker 5: History and Culture. Other than those two things, one are
Speaker 5: the greatest honors of my life because that means that
Speaker 5: something I did started something that was greater than me,
Speaker 5: and we all can contribute and all take some credit
Speaker 5: for that. And not only that though, So when you
Speaker 5: look at those numbers and you look at like two
Speaker 5: years ago, three years ago versus now, I mean, just
Speaker 5: the other day they were talking about the Angel City
Speaker 5: team going up for two hundred and fifty million to
Speaker 5: Bob Eiger and one of his partners at Disney, and
Speaker 5: that team cost two million to get into the league
Speaker 5: when it first started, like four seasons ago, and so
Speaker 5: it's astronomical.
Speaker 4: But women's sports is having a moment.
Speaker 5: I think what's happened is people realize that it's not
Speaker 5: just a novelty anymore, and it's not a charity anymore,
Speaker 5: and that.
Speaker 4: It's actual business.
Speaker 5: It's a real growth business where you can get in
Speaker 5: on this thing and really ride it to the moon.
Speaker 5: And it's got great possibilities, great opportunities. And the Caitlin
Speaker 5: Clark effect aside from that, has been really phenomenal for
Speaker 5: women's sports. WNBA has been around, I think twenty six years,
Speaker 5: twenty eight years, something like that, finally getting the recognition
Speaker 5: it's deserved, and those women have been fighting for equity
Speaker 5: forever and now finally getting all the eyeballs on it.
Speaker 5: One of the most amazing stats I saw about WNBA
Speaker 5: was last year's All Star voting. The highest player to
Speaker 5: get voting was like ninety thousand. The highest player this
Speaker 5: year was like eight hundred and fifty thousand. That's almost
Speaker 5: a tenfold increase.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. I can't get amazing. And it took
Speaker 4: a lot of people to get there, and I absolutely
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 3: Uh and you were such a huge part of it,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: I was reading up on everything, Brianna, and I was
Speaker 2: blown away at what you have done and what you've
Speaker 2: been through since you your professional career ended with a
Speaker 2: traumatic injury in twenty ten. And as much as successes
Speaker 2: you had all of the accolades that you have built,
Speaker 2: I mean just phenomenal. You found yourself in such a
Speaker 2: dark place three years after you were forced out of
Speaker 2: the game you love. You were so low that you
Speaker 2: ended up pawning your two gold medals I did. Can
Speaker 2: you talk about what that moment was like and how
Speaker 2: you pulled yourself up and out of it?
Speaker 5: So that moment was like one of my darkest moments
Speaker 5: in my life, and I've had a few, and I
Speaker 5: think it's because my first gold in ninety six at
Speaker 5: the Atlanta Olympics was the culmination of all the times
Speaker 5: that my mom and dad spent driving me from A
Speaker 5: to B, driving me here, supporting me there, and all
Speaker 5: the people that I played with and everyone that's ever
Speaker 5: supported me, my coaches, my teammates, and so I felt
Speaker 5: that when I was.
Speaker 4: At the verge of pawning that I actually wanted to
Speaker 4: turn around and not do it.
Speaker 5: But I was like, I got it. I have to.
Speaker 4: I don't have stability.
Speaker 5: I'm in a dark I'm in a crater, and I'm
Speaker 5: thinking and I'm thinking, and then this is the only way.
Speaker 4: I saw financially that I could get some stability now,
Speaker 4: just to be clear, I pawned them.
Speaker 5: Now, I did not sell them, so I still had
Speaker 5: ownership as long as I'm making that payment.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I did it, and I hated it.
Speaker 5: After I after I took the medal to the shop
Speaker 5: in downtown New York, I got back in my car
Speaker 5: and I cried. I cried for like an hour. I mean,
Speaker 5: the tears just rolling off my face. And I was
Speaker 5: in such a bad place. I mean, I recently went
Speaker 5: two years ago to the place I lived, the little
Speaker 5: studio apartment in Little Falls, New Jersey I lived in,
Speaker 5: and this room I'm in right now, my office is
Speaker 5: just about the same size, a little bit a little
Speaker 5: bit bigger that studio. But I looked I went in
Speaker 5: there and I was like, wow, I spent years in
Speaker 5: this place, and I no wonder. I was so messed up.
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean it was. It was crazy.
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because people always talk about how things
Speaker 5: look different, but it's actually you're different. Things are the same,
Speaker 5: like places you live. Maybe some furniture has been moved around.
Speaker 4: But you are not the same anymore.
Speaker 5: And so I really grew from that, and I'm actually
Speaker 5: now grateful for it because.
Speaker 2: So you guys know.
Speaker 3: They are there. She is nineteen ninety got back.
Speaker 1: You got them back? You know how long were you
Speaker 1: without them?
Speaker 4: It was about eight months, damn. And then my current
Speaker 4: wife found out. I told her. She was the only
Speaker 4: one I told. I didn't tell anybody that I did this.
Speaker 5: She's the only one I told. And literally, in the
Speaker 5: next seventy two hours, I had them back. She's like,
Speaker 5: where are they?
Speaker 4: Let's go right now? Yeah, wow, yeah, she was not
Speaker 4: messing around.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: But your plan was always to get them back.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So I needed I needed some stability because I
Speaker 5: was tired of depending on the kindness and the consideration
Speaker 5: generosity of my landlord, because I kept only being able
Speaker 5: to pay partial payments of my rent because the insurance
Speaker 5: company that was paying me disability would decide on a
Speaker 5: whim to not pay it, and then I'd have to
Speaker 5: go to court and fight them for it, and that
Speaker 5: would take months. It was just such a nerve wracking situation.
Speaker 5: And I went through all my savings and I was
Speaker 5: a little bit proud, I'm not gonna lie. I was
Speaker 5: a little bit proud to ask for help. And I was,
Speaker 5: you know, I was in this hole, in this place,
Speaker 5: and I just felt bad, and I'm sure I could
Speaker 5: have asked my teammates for help and they would have
Speaker 5: done it, but I just couldn't.
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it.
Speaker 1: You never did you never did.
Speaker 3: I get that though.
Speaker 2: You're at the highest of highs and then you find
Speaker 2: yourself at the lowest of lows, and how do you
Speaker 2: reconcile those two things? And it came about because of
Speaker 2: a concussion, a traumatic brain injury you had and that
Speaker 2: insurance company. I think anyone who's had a medical issue
Speaker 2: of any kind and it has had to deal with
Speaker 2: an insurance company. When I read what you had to do,
Speaker 2: you actually hired a PR firm, yep, and that was
Speaker 2: the only way you eventually got them to pay for
Speaker 2: a surgery that you desperately needed. That when you woke
Speaker 2: up it was the first day in three years. You
Speaker 2: never you didn't have a headache. I mean, that is
Speaker 2: I was egregious.
Speaker 4: It is egregious. I agree. And my wife, who actually
Speaker 4: owns that PR.
Speaker 5: Firm, thought I was egregious as well, and she threatened
Speaker 5: the insurance company. She's like, look, you either do right
Speaker 5: by this woman. She is a two time Olympic gold
Speaker 5: medalist and a World Cup champion, and you are messing
Speaker 5: around with her money, you're messing around with her health.
Speaker 5: You know, her doctors have said, this is what you
Speaker 5: need to do. You know, the courts have have, you know,
Speaker 5: judged against you every single time you've taken her to court.
Speaker 5: You need to do the right thing by her or
Speaker 5: I'm going to tell everybody. And we're talking about USA today,
Speaker 5: we're talking about a national campaign. She's like, you have,
Speaker 5: you know, forty eight hours to handle it, and they did.
Speaker 4: They caved. Ever since she went in there and told
Speaker 4: them what she was gonna do, they just caved.
Speaker 5: And it's been uphill, you know, up downhill, like as
Speaker 5: she would say, up upward ever since.
Speaker 3: Because once you had that surgery, how did your life change?
Speaker 5: It was so I don't know if you guys have
Speaker 5: ever experienced chronic pain before, but it's almost.
Speaker 4: Like you like it to like a low hum, you know,
Speaker 4: in your ear and in your life.
Speaker 5: It's like it's like seeping the energy out of your body,
Speaker 5: this chronic pain, and it weighs on you and it
Speaker 5: zaps your intensity and your imagination and for me, it
Speaker 5: was everything.
Speaker 4: It just keeps bringing you down.
Speaker 5: It's like this weight, and until you get it off
Speaker 5: of you, you don't realize how long you've been adjusting
Speaker 5: to your life with that chronic pain. And so once
Speaker 5: I woke up, I could feel it was gone, like immediately,
Speaker 5: and I just started crying again, and I was like,
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, it's gone. And I opened my eyes
Speaker 5: and I because it was always in the same spot
Speaker 5: behind my left ear, this is like, you know, a
Speaker 5: little like no, no, you know, And so it was
Speaker 5: finally gone, and I just started crying because I couldn't
Speaker 5: believe it. And you don't realize it till after it's
Speaker 5: gone how long you've been dealing with it. And then
Speaker 5: it was all you know, you know, fight, fighting, and
Speaker 5: cawing my way back to me from there.
Speaker 1: But as we sit here today, after all that you
Speaker 1: did go through, tell us how you're doing. I asked
Speaker 1: that with a contact background, the context being where I
Speaker 1: know I was in my twenties, thirties, forties, and after
Speaker 1: I went through some very difficult things, and even some
Speaker 1: of the most difficult things I've been through my life,
Speaker 1: some of it happened in the past couple of years.
Speaker 1: What are you talking about to know that I could
Speaker 1: sit here and be happier and healthier than I ever am,
Speaker 1: to be than I've ever been, and to be at peace.
Speaker 1: I always ask people in that kind of context. You
Speaker 1: you pawned two gold medals. You pawn gold medals and
Speaker 1: you you got it back, and you went through certain
Speaker 1: you went through all this hell. Where are you now?
Speaker 1: How is Ryan a Scurry doing today?
Speaker 4: Well, let me just say this, TJ.
Speaker 5: When I saw that I was going to interview with you, guys,
Speaker 5: I had a feeling that you were in a good
Speaker 5: place because.
Speaker 4: I watched you know, I watched TV in the morning,
Speaker 4: morning shows.
Speaker 5: And I knew what you know, what happened went down,
Speaker 5: And the fact that I was going to talk to
Speaker 5: you guys, I was like, yes, because I am all
Speaker 5: for the underdog, you know, I mean people who are resilient.
Speaker 5: You are stronger because you go through some heavy you
Speaker 5: know what, and if you could come out on the
Speaker 5: other side of it, it can become part of your foundation.
Speaker 4: And now, you know, you know what, I can.
Speaker 5: Face some crazy stuff and I can get through it
Speaker 5: and I can do it. And so for me, I
Speaker 5: am fantastic right now. I mean I am more. I
Speaker 5: have a better life than I ever thought possible, And
Speaker 5: people are like really, I'm like, yeah, really, So.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have an.
Speaker 5: Amazing wife, I have a really great family. My step
Speaker 5: kids are awesome. We live in a fantastic home. We're
Speaker 5: both very successful. I get to talk about myself for
Speaker 5: a living. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: Really?
Speaker 4: Like, holy cow?
Speaker 5: I have great partnerships. I have great you know, people
Speaker 5: that I get to work with. I get to share
Speaker 5: my journey.
Speaker 4: Two years ago, I.
Speaker 5: Wrote a book and I did a documentary and I mean,
Speaker 5: da da, and I haven't had validation. I've had validation
Speaker 5: in some of the stuff that I didn't realize that
Speaker 5: I was going through back then. Have those things be
Speaker 5: validated for me now? And so the universe once again
Speaker 5: has come back around and given me what I deserved
Speaker 5: multiplied And I really truly believe that.
Speaker 4: And so for me today, I'm grateful for all of it.
Speaker 5: I mean, most people would say, oh, well, right, you
Speaker 5: were standing on the edge of a waterfall thinking about
Speaker 5: jumping in and knowing you can't swim, and you're grateful
Speaker 5: for that? Yes, yes I am, because ever since that moment,
Speaker 5: I've gone straight up and so there's nothing I can't
Speaker 5: do and I use that and I tell everything to
Speaker 5: people because I know in the crowd. When I talk
Speaker 5: to people, people in your audience need to hear exactly
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and they may not even be aware
Speaker 5: of it, or they may not be, you know, willing
Speaker 5: to talk to anybody about it.
Speaker 4: But you can be resilient.
Speaker 5: You can get up eight times after you get knocked
Speaker 5: down seven times, and actually you'll be stronger in the
Speaker 5: fighting of that situation and you'll look back on it
Speaker 5: and it'll be a lesson that you take forward and
Speaker 5: learn and make you into a better you. And it's
Speaker 5: hard to understand that at the time when you're in it.
Speaker 5: But as someone who's been in it, you know what
Speaker 5: I'm talking about. You can talk about that because you've
Speaker 5: been in it.
Speaker 1: So you said, Phoenix, You're in Phoenix next week, drink Yeah,
Speaker 1: we need to come to Veens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, we knew this was going to be a
Speaker 2: great conversation, but it's even better than we expected.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It Just it's it's not only going through what you
Speaker 2: went through, but being willing to be vulnerable and talk
Speaker 2: about it. It's not easy and it's painful and reliving
Speaker 2: it is also not fun sometimes, but what you're sharing
Speaker 2: is so important for people to hear because there are
Speaker 2: moments I think that most people go through in life
Speaker 2: where they think they can't they can't stand another second,
Speaker 2: they can't stand another minute. And yet somehow, when you
Speaker 2: see someone else do it and someone else go through it,
Speaker 2: you have the courage and strength to do it too.
Speaker 2: So thank you for sharing your story. And I know,
Speaker 2: I just I I I'm going to buy your book today.
Speaker 2: I just I'm so excited my grade to save. And
Speaker 2: I think we all can learn from each other, but
Speaker 2: certainly thank you for letting us learn from you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to go out and buy it. Usually
Speaker 1: our guests send it to us for free, but will
Speaker 1: support you. That's okay, we will support the cause. Support.
Speaker 4: It's also on.
Speaker 3: Audio book, and I owe you that's my favorite.
Speaker 4: You know what.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 4: Eight hours of my voice.
Speaker 2: You know what. We're training for another marathon and I
Speaker 2: love listening to books when I run. So you know
Speaker 2: what you just sealed it that is I have a
Speaker 2: twelve miler this weekend.
Speaker 3: We have one and I will leave.
Speaker 2: We have we woke up real fast and we have
Speaker 2: a twelve miler this weekend, and I will be listening
Speaker 2: to your voice.
Speaker 3: You have my like I'm I'm so excited now to
Speaker 3: listen to you.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much, both of you. And it's so
Speaker 4: fantastic with you guys, and I'm so happy that you're happy.
Speaker 1: And we are happy that you're happy. Fantastic and you
Speaker 1: have added to our happiness. Thank you so so much.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're in New York again, We're going to exchange
Speaker 1: inform age. I'm serious. I'm not kidding. Our producers know
Speaker 1: we always ask for the info for our guests, and
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Damn I shouldn't.
Speaker 5: I would love it.
Speaker 4: I would love it absolutely.
Speaker 1: He's right, all right, Well, thank you so so much.
Speaker 1: Congrats on everything, and appreciate you spending some time with us.
Speaker 4: Thank you both. It's so fantastic to see you. I
Speaker 4: appreciate you both. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: That is so awesome.
Speaker 3: You were so excited about talking to her.
Speaker 2: And you know what people always say, be careful when
Speaker 2: you meet your heroes or you meet someone you're because
Speaker 2: they disappoint you. Oftentimes I would say, uh, Brian exceeded
Speaker 2: all all, like, just such a beautiful.
Speaker 1: And we'll let you all know. We wanted this to
Speaker 1: happen in studio because we knew that the team was
Speaker 1: going to be in New York is right here, so
Speaker 1: that was the request. But we ended up being out
Speaker 1: of town and we weren't able to be here, and
Speaker 1: that we should have canceled our trip to Italy so
Speaker 1: we could stay here in studio with good Bride. But
Speaker 1: that was great. So, folks, we appreciate you has always
Speaker 1: spending some time with us. You can find us on
Speaker 1: our official Instagram page at Amy and TJ Podcast. You
Speaker 1: were jumping because you I was gonna forget Dan.
Speaker 2: You you always remember though, even if you even if
Speaker 2: you just you know, pause a little bit, you always
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: Nail it, not me.
Speaker 1: Well, folks, stay with it. We will see you again
Speaker 1: very very soon.