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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, Well, where were you on July tenth, nineteen

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Speaker 1: ninety nine. Oh, you don't remember where you were that

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Speaker 1: day because it was twenty five years ago. Well what

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Speaker 1: if I say, where were you when Brandy Chassain made

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Speaker 1: that goal to give the US women the World Cup?

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Speaker 1: Now do you remember where you were? Well, our guest

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Speaker 1: today remembers where she was because she was on the

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Speaker 1: field when it happened. And welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Worlds. You have seen me a lot

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Speaker 1: once we get going here and our we oftentimes greet

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Speaker 1: our guests. If they're on zoom, we'll say hello to them,

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Speaker 1: just to you know, get a couple of pleasantries out

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Speaker 1: of the way. You have seen me greet a lot

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Speaker 1: of our guests. Describe the greeting I just gave her.

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Speaker 2: It was loud and enthusiastic and genuinely filled with just joy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am as giddy as it gets because there

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Speaker 1: are moments, there are so many moments in our lives

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Speaker 1: where they sometimes they're tragic that you know exactly where

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Speaker 1: you were. This is one of unbridled joy that collectively

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Speaker 1: I think we had as a country twenty five years

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Speaker 1: ago that put us on a path now. Quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: folks don't even understand why they love women's soccer right now.

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Speaker 1: That might be some kids that don't even realize why

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Speaker 1: they were introduced to it and how it came about.

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Speaker 1: But that team twenty five years ago was everything to

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Speaker 1: dud just women's soccer, but maybe just women's athletics in

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Speaker 3: It's so true.

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Speaker 2: I think I've never that was like the first time

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Speaker 2: I think as a woman I felt proud of a

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Speaker 2: female team in a way that I mean, I obviously

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Speaker 2: personally had nothing to do with it, but just the

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Speaker 2: fact that we could and we did, and there were

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Speaker 2: those of us proving other people wrong, that not only

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Speaker 2: that people cared, people watched, and it mattered, and that

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Speaker 2: was huge for little girls everywhere. I love what people

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Speaker 2: I read somewhere someone wrote about this team, this US

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Speaker 2: women's soccer team, It is the team that taught America

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just thought that was such a perfect

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Speaker 1: That is so true. And again, I grew up. We

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Speaker 1: places where it was Friday night lights football football, football, football.

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Speaker 1: We didn't grow up my parents are. Never a moment

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Speaker 1: play soccer. But I'm watching this team now, and I

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Speaker 1: those do you remember where you were? And this sounds crazy,

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Speaker 1: I was. I was in Red Lobster.

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Speaker 3: You were working You worked at Red Lobster? Were you

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Speaker 1: Ninety nine? It was my senior year of college and

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Speaker 1: I worked at Red Lobster. The shirt and everything had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how were your tips that night?

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Speaker 1: watched that moment. But look, we talked about Caitlin Clark

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Speaker 1: these days. We talked about the WNBA and some of

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Speaker 1: the superstars there. But these were the first superstars I

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, yes, Mia Hamm.

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Speaker 2: We mentioned Ry Chastain and uh wait, wasn't there someone

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Speaker 1: Or the goalkeeper and the goalkeeper. Now, if folks take

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Speaker 1: That means they play a full match, an extra time

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Speaker 1: She's a two time goal medalist, World Cup champion, author

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Speaker 1: of the book My Greatest Save, and she is a

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Speaker 4: She's here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 2: I mean if you all could have heard DJ say,

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Speaker 2: Brianna to have you here with us. It is just

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Speaker 2: the field because you have had quite the journey, as

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Speaker 2: so many professional athletes do, coming from such highs and

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Speaker 2: then having to deal with what happens after you had

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Speaker 3: And to be where you are now.

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Speaker 2: Just congratulations on all of your success and the young

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Speaker 2: women and boys i'm sure too, who you still inspire

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Speaker 3: So thank you for all that.

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Speaker 2: You continue to do in keeping kids active and giving

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Speaker 2: them hope and inspiration. Anybody, if they put their heart

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Speaker 5: Is there anywhere I could possibly take the two of

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Speaker 1: Will everybody needs a hype man, We will be your

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going to Phoenix tomorrow. Will you meet me there?

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Speaker 2: You guys?

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Speaker 1: Hell, yeah, we are free as of this moment.

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Speaker 4: You guys are great. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's it's so crazy that it's twenty

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Speaker 5: and Amy, great to see.

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Speaker 4: You as well.

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Speaker 5: You guys are I'm big fans of yours as well,

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Speaker 5: So it's really awesome to be on with you guys today.

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Speaker 5: That moment was incredible, I mean, it really was. But

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Speaker 4: So it was awesome.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we not only impacted young girls all over

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Speaker 5: And also it was so funny for me to meet

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was one of those guys. Yes we have

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Speaker 1: how long did it take you when, oh, did you

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Speaker 5: Well, I feel that anybody on my team, except for

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Speaker 4: And I am one of those that didn't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, in terms of big moments, it was literally

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Speaker 4: At the time.

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Speaker 5: But I was much better as a goalkeeper than anything else.

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Speaker 4: You guys? So get it. I love it, I love it.

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Speaker 5: You can get it. You totally get it. Like goalkeeping

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Speaker 5: I closet control freak. As it turned out, sot but so,

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Speaker 1: So wait a minute the US women's national team won

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Speaker 4: Two, three pk sometimes.

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Speaker 1: You'll remember, was it Portugal? There was a goalie who

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Speaker 4: How much pressure and nobody said a word about it.

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Speaker 5: What do you do?

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Speaker 5: I'm like, this is the one. And I knew I

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Speaker 5: what if you admit what if you were called back

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Speaker 2: I know that feeling where you just you know, you

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Speaker 3: It before you do it. But that's so cool.

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Speaker 1: You remember a moment you've had.

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Speaker 3: Yes on television one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Percent, you're gonna nail it, Yes, nailed it.

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Speaker 1: I can remember some of those times.

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Speaker 5: They're recorded, the moment I hope the making was was

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Speaker 2: No. But there's just like this, if you're in touch

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Speaker 4: It's a real thing.

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Speaker 5: It's real like athletes always talking about how the world

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Speaker 4: You can feel that. It's almost like the universe like

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Speaker 5: You and you get it.

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Speaker 1: I agree you said the universe and you're you're talking

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Speaker 1: Don't just say you could have been out there and going, ah,

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Speaker 1: That's something you taught me.

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Speaker 2: before I got on the beam whether or not I

444
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: was gonna fall or not, Like I really did. I

445
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: was like, this isn't gonna be good or I'm gonna

446
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,440
Speaker 2: nail this. I'm not, you know, And it was the

447
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's unexplainable, but you feel it.

448
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,880
Speaker 5: It is hard to explain. I've been years and years

449
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 5: and years. Every time I say, oh, I knew I

450
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,760
Speaker 5: was going to say, but people were like.

451
00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 3: Come on now, really, I'm like, really, I believe it.

452
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 5: Really.

453
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 1: Usually for me it's just wow, I hope this goes well.

454
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 3: Fingers crossed.

455
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 1: That's all I can owe for right, I get that.

456
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 4: I get it.

457
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 1: Do you commemorate? How do you what do your anniversaries

458
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 1: look like?

459
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:55,199
Speaker 2: Right?

460
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: I know twenty five is a big one, but does

461
00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 1: the team get together? Do you all do a video?

462
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 1: Do you text? Or do the anniversaries come and go?

463
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 5: We are some texting fools, TJ. I mean we have

464
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,639
Speaker 5: this text chain that is just like everybody's birthday. Everybody's this,

465
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,160
Speaker 5: everybody's that. I mean, we we celebrate each other all

466
00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 5: the time. But just recently, just this last weekend, we

467
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 5: were all in New Jersey for the July thirteenth game

468
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 5: of the current team and we had our anniversary celebration

469
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 5: and every single player on that ninety nineteen was there

470
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 5: for the first time in like twenty five years.

471
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 2: That is so cool and every single one and this

472
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 2: new team is on their way to Paris. If they're

473
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: not already there, now.

474
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 4: What they're there? They're there, mart right now?

475
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 3: What are you seeing? What do you think is going

476
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 3: to happen? What do you think they're going to be

477
00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 3: able to do?

478
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 5: Well, that's a great question we had. So Emma Hayes,

479
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 5: let's start with her, the coach. Now I've known her

480
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 5: for a long time, she was actually in the country

481
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 5: coaching for many years here in the United States, so

482
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 5: I've known her for years.

483
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 4: And she invited the team ninety nine ers to have lunch.

484
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 5: With the current team, and it was a stroke of

485
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 5: genius in my opinion, And we told them what it

486
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 5: would take to win, and we told them what we

487
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 5: saw in them. And for me, I saw that that

488
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 5: team had the talent to shock the world and win

489
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 5: the whole thing.

490
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 4: And as even though they're young and nine of them.

491
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 5: Are brand new to the Olympics, it's the first time

492
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 5: and a lot of people are saying they're not playing

493
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:36,640
Speaker 5: that well, and none of that stuff matters. Come game one,

494
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 5: Game two, all you have to do is be present.

495
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 4: That's something else I told them. Run the game plan.

496
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 4: You got to believe in it.

497
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 5: The twenty two of you are the only thing that

498
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 5: matters in this room. Nothing else, not social media.

499
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 4: Not reporters, not your parents, not your family, nothing. You

500
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 4: control it. And you decide.

501
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 5: Now, if the twenty two of you can do that

502
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,520
Speaker 5: together and get all your arrows going in the same direction,

503
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 5: you could get that gold and bring it home.

504
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 4: So that's what I feel. I mean, I'm always gonna

505
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 4: bet on them, but I told them that they could

506
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 4: do it.

507
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 1: You said they needed my help. This is so cool

508
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: that you said something that almost seems unfathomable that the

509
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: US women's national team could win a tournament and it

510
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 1: would be a shock because we're so used to the

511
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,399
Speaker 1: US women's national team being a stellar, being elite, and

512
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: in fact you know this obviously. But maybe people don't

513
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: drop to the lowest ranking number five, like that's terrible

514
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: or something. But it had a twenty year it is okay,

515
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 1: sorry I'm speaking out of turn, but for us, they

516
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: it was a twenty year stretch of just being number

517
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 1: one and number two, and there were six year stretches

518
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,000
Speaker 1: within that that stayed at number one. So what explain

519
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: or maybe even calm down some people who are so

520
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: used to the success, which is great. We are trained

521
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: to think that this team is going to win every tournament.

522
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 1: What has happened that has gotten the team that's from

523
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: I know one or two to number five and now

524
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: not necessarily a favorite going to the Olympics. What have

525
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: you seen this team do over the last couple of

526
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: years has gotten it to not being one or two.

527
00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 4: So it's two things. TJ.

528
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 5: Honestly, it's it's we are a products. This is a

529
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 5: product of our own success. So the rock that was

530
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 5: dropped in the lake and the ripple effects of that

531
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: are other countries Spain, France, England, all these other countries.

532
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 5: Brazil pouring more resources into their women's national team and

533
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: guess what that means a direct impact on.

534
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 4: Our current team to have to play against them.

535
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 5: And Spain is fantastic now They've been great for many,

536
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 5: many decades on the men's side, and now the women's

537
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 5: side is playing similarly. Why because they have more resources,

538
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 5: same with England. They went it to the final last

539
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 5: year and the Women's World Cup, and they're up for it.

540
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 5: They're feisty, they're expecting something to happen for themselves. They

541
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: believe in it. They see us do it, they're like,

542
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 5: why not us? And so that has been the number

543
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,280
Speaker 5: one reason. Number two is, I think, honestly, because the

544
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 5: team is really young and so we haven't won the

545
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 5: Olympics since twenty twelve. But if you look at our history,

546
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 5: when we don't win Olympics, we win the World Cup.

547
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 5: When we don't win the World Cup, we win the Olympics.

548
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 5: And so now people are like, well, this team hasn't

549
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 5: won much of anything most of these players, but don't

550
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 5: count them out. I mean, we know what's expected of us,

551
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 5: and those young players know they're expected to win, whether

552
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 5: whenever you put that jersey on, whether you've been there

553
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 5: for a minute or ten years, the expectation is to win.

554
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they understand.

555
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned resources, and that's been, of course, a huge

556
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 2: news story over the last several years, Megan Rauppino among

557
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 2: many leading the way where are you on and where

558
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: is us women's soccer in terms of resources and getting

559
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: what they need to be the best they can be.

560
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 5: Well, the one thing that was the most important thing

561
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 5: that happened is one of my teammates is now president

562
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 5: of the Soccer Federation.

563
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 4: Happened right, and so.

564
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,159
Speaker 5: She she had she got in there and she handled it,

565
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 5: you know. She she actually said, Cindy said to me

566
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 5: a while ago. I saw her when we were here

567
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,080
Speaker 5: at the White House a couple of months back. She said,

568
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 5: I got tired of complaining from the outside in, and

569
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 5: She's like, I decided I was going to do something

570
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 5: on the inside. And she got the vice presidency and

571
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 5: ascended to the presidency and so she's the one that

572
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 5: really spearheaded that understanding that the women deserve equal pay.

573
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 5: And why is that because their ticket receipts there, they're raiders,

574
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 5: the raid, the ratings they're in bringing in their sponsorships.

575
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 5: For the four year period that US Soccer does budgeting,

576
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 5: they were equal to or just above the men. And

577
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 5: so once you got that piece in line, along with

578
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 5: someone who understood it it matters, and then talking to

579
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 5: the men's team, they were able to secure that understanding

580
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 5: and get that equity done. And so that's very recent

581
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 5: and now you have all this other income coming in

582
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 5: with broadcasting, the TV rights and licensing and different you know,

583
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 5: sponsorships that.

584
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 4: Are long term, more you know, more of a partnership

585
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 4: than ever before.

586
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 5: With the federation, these companies are pouring millions and tens

587
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 5: of millions of dollars in and so that is really

588
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 5: helping now.

589
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 4: So we're on a really good footing and we have the.

590
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 5: Same contract those women have the same contracts as the

591
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 5: men do.

592
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: For national teams.

593
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned contracts there, yeah, and you mentioned TV rights.

594
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,320
Speaker 1: We were talking about USA and the Federation in soccer,

595
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: but the National Women in Soccer League, which obviously has

596
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 1: reached so many benefits from what you all did twenty

597
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: five years ago. TV Rights just signed a new year

598
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: deal for two hundred and forty million dollars a long

599
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: term deal. The deal before that was worth four and

600
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: a half million.

601
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?

602
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: That that's that's insane, but but it's it's insane, but

603
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: it's also insane in a good way in that, Wow,

604
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: look at how this is exploding and people are watching soccer.

605
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: So you talk about receipts for women, twenty six percent

606
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: attendance was up last year at national women's soccer games,

607
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: forty one percent viewership increase. People are watching, So some

608
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: of it is, yes, porn resources is great, but you

609
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: got to have some viewership and it's going up, up, up,

610
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: up up. I know right that this is so prideful

611
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: for you and you're not going to take obviously some

612
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: individual credit for it. But to hear those types of things,

613
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: to go from two hundred and forty million for a

614
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 1: TV deal when it was just four and a half

615
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: million the time before. What pride wells up in you

616
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: when you see a Caitlin Clark, when you see women's

617
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: athletics and the WNBA continuing to grow the way it does.

618
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: What wells up in you when you think about the

619
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: contribution you and your teammates made twenty five years ago.

620
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 5: He did. It's the greatest honor of my life, honestly,

621
00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 5: I mean, other than my marriage to my sweetheart and

622
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 5: being in the Smithsonian, the National African American Museum of

623
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 5: History and Culture. Other than those two things, one are

624
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 5: the greatest honors of my life because that means that

625
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 5: something I did started something that was greater than me,

626
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 5: and we all can contribute and all take some credit

627
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 5: for that. And not only that though, So when you

628
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 5: look at those numbers and you look at like two

629
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 5: years ago, three years ago versus now, I mean, just

630
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 5: the other day they were talking about the Angel City

631
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 5: team going up for two hundred and fifty million to

632
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 5: Bob Eiger and one of his partners at Disney, and

633
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: that team cost two million to get into the league

634
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 5: when it first started, like four seasons ago, and so

635
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 5: it's astronomical.

636
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 4: But women's sports is having a moment.

637
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 5: I think what's happened is people realize that it's not

638
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: just a novelty anymore, and it's not a charity anymore,

639
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 5: and that.

640
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 4: It's actual business.

641
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 5: It's a real growth business where you can get in

642
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 5: on this thing and really ride it to the moon.

643
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 5: And it's got great possibilities, great opportunities. And the Caitlin

644
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 5: Clark effect aside from that, has been really phenomenal for

645
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 5: women's sports. WNBA has been around, I think twenty six years,

646
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,560
Speaker 5: twenty eight years, something like that, finally getting the recognition

647
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 5: it's deserved, and those women have been fighting for equity

648
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 5: forever and now finally getting all the eyeballs on it.

649
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 5: One of the most amazing stats I saw about WNBA

650
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 5: was last year's All Star voting. The highest player to

651
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 5: get voting was like ninety thousand. The highest player this

652
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 5: year was like eight hundred and fifty thousand. That's almost

653
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 5: a tenfold increase.

654
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's amazing. I can't get amazing. And it took

655
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 4: a lot of people to get there, and I absolutely

656
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 4: love it.

657
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: Uh and you were such a huge part of it,

658
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: you know.

659
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: I was reading up on everything, Brianna, and I was

660
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: blown away at what you have done and what you've

661
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 2: been through since you your professional career ended with a

662
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: traumatic injury in twenty ten. And as much as successes

663
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Speaker 2: you had all of the accolades that you have built,

664
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Speaker 2: I mean just phenomenal. You found yourself in such a

665
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: dark place three years after you were forced out of

666
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: the game you love. You were so low that you

667
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 2: ended up pawning your two gold medals I did. Can

668
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 2: you talk about what that moment was like and how

669
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Speaker 2: you pulled yourself up and out of it?

670
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Speaker 5: So that moment was like one of my darkest moments

671
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 5: in my life, and I've had a few, and I

672
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 5: think it's because my first gold in ninety six at

673
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 5: the Atlanta Olympics was the culmination of all the times

674
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 5: that my mom and dad spent driving me from A

675
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 5: to B, driving me here, supporting me there, and all

676
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 5: the people that I played with and everyone that's ever

677
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: supported me, my coaches, my teammates, and so I felt

678
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 5: that when I was.

679
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 4: At the verge of pawning that I actually wanted to

680
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 4: turn around and not do it.

681
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 5: But I was like, I got it. I have to.

682
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 4: I don't have stability.

683
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 5: I'm in a dark I'm in a crater, and I'm

684
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 5: thinking and I'm thinking, and then this is the only way.

685
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 4: I saw financially that I could get some stability now,

686
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 4: just to be clear, I pawned them.

687
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 5: Now, I did not sell them, so I still had

688
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 5: ownership as long as I'm making that payment.

689
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 4: But yeah, I did it, and I hated it.

690
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 5: After I after I took the medal to the shop

691
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 5: in downtown New York, I got back in my car

692
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 5: and I cried. I cried for like an hour. I mean,

693
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 5: the tears just rolling off my face. And I was

694
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 5: in such a bad place. I mean, I recently went

695
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 5: two years ago to the place I lived, the little

696
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 5: studio apartment in Little Falls, New Jersey I lived in,

697
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 5: and this room I'm in right now, my office is

698
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,399
Speaker 5: just about the same size, a little bit a little

699
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: bit bigger that studio. But I looked I went in

700
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 5: there and I was like, wow, I spent years in

701
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 5: this place, and I no wonder. I was so messed up.

702
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: I mean, I mean it was. It was crazy.

703
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 5: And it's interesting because people always talk about how things

704
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 5: look different, but it's actually you're different. Things are the same,

705
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: like places you live. Maybe some furniture has been moved around.

706
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 4: But you are not the same anymore.

707
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 5: And so I really grew from that, and I'm actually

708
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 5: now grateful for it because.

709
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 2: So you guys know.

710
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 3: They are there. She is nineteen ninety got back.

711
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 1: You got them back? You know how long were you

712
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 1: without them?

713
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: It was about eight months, damn. And then my current

714
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 4: wife found out. I told her. She was the only

715
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 4: one I told. I didn't tell anybody that I did this.

716
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 5: She's the only one I told. And literally, in the

717
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 5: next seventy two hours, I had them back. She's like,

718
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 5: where are they?

719
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: Let's go right now? Yeah, wow, yeah, she was not

720
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 4: messing around.

721
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 5: Wow.

722
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: But your plan was always to get them back.

723
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 5: Absolutely, So I needed I needed some stability because I

724
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 5: was tired of depending on the kindness and the consideration

725
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 5: generosity of my landlord, because I kept only being able

726
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 5: to pay partial payments of my rent because the insurance

727
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 5: company that was paying me disability would decide on a

728
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 5: whim to not pay it, and then I'd have to

729
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 5: go to court and fight them for it, and that

730
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 5: would take months. It was just such a nerve wracking situation.

731
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 5: And I went through all my savings and I was

732
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 5: a little bit proud, I'm not gonna lie. I was

733
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 5: a little bit proud to ask for help. And I was,

734
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,319
Speaker 5: you know, I was in this hole, in this place,

735
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 5: and I just felt bad, and I'm sure I could

736
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 5: have asked my teammates for help and they would have

737
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 5: done it, but I just couldn't.

738
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't do it.

739
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: You never did you never did.

740
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 3: I get that though.

741
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 2: You're at the highest of highs and then you find

742
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 2: yourself at the lowest of lows, and how do you

743
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 2: reconcile those two things? And it came about because of

744
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 2: a concussion, a traumatic brain injury you had and that

745
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 2: insurance company. I think anyone who's had a medical issue

746
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: of any kind and it has had to deal with

747
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: an insurance company. When I read what you had to do,

748
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 2: you actually hired a PR firm, yep, and that was

749
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,320
Speaker 2: the only way you eventually got them to pay for

750
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 2: a surgery that you desperately needed. That when you woke

751
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 2: up it was the first day in three years. You

752
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: never you didn't have a headache. I mean, that is

753
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 2: I was egregious.

754
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: It is egregious. I agree. And my wife, who actually

755
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 4: owns that PR.

756
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 5: Firm, thought I was egregious as well, and she threatened

757
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 5: the insurance company. She's like, look, you either do right

758
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 5: by this woman. She is a two time Olympic gold

759
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 5: medalist and a World Cup champion, and you are messing

760
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 5: around with her money, you're messing around with her health.

761
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 5: You know, her doctors have said, this is what you

762
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 5: need to do. You know, the courts have have, you know,

763
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 5: judged against you every single time you've taken her to court.

764
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 5: You need to do the right thing by her or

765
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 5: I'm going to tell everybody. And we're talking about USA today,

766
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 5: we're talking about a national campaign. She's like, you have,

767
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 5: you know, forty eight hours to handle it, and they did.

768
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 4: They caved. Ever since she went in there and told

769
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 4: them what she was gonna do, they just caved.

770
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 5: And it's been uphill, you know, up downhill, like as

771
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 5: she would say, up upward ever since.

772
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 3: Because once you had that surgery, how did your life change?

773
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 5: It was so I don't know if you guys have

774
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 5: ever experienced chronic pain before, but it's almost.

775
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: Like you like it to like a low hum, you know,

776
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 4: in your ear and in your life.

777
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 5: It's like it's like seeping the energy out of your body,

778
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: this chronic pain, and it weighs on you and it

779
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 5: zaps your intensity and your imagination and for me, it

780
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:45,160
Speaker 5: was everything.

781
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 4: It just keeps bringing you down.

782
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 5: It's like this weight, and until you get it off

783
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 5: of you, you don't realize how long you've been adjusting

784
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 5: to your life with that chronic pain. And so once

785
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 5: I woke up, I could feel it was gone, like immediately,

786
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: and I just started crying again, and I was like,

787
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 5: oh my gosh, it's gone. And I opened my eyes

788
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 5: and I because it was always in the same spot

789
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 5: behind my left ear, this is like, you know, a

790
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,800
Speaker 5: little like no, no, you know, And so it was

791
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 5: finally gone, and I just started crying because I couldn't

792
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 5: believe it. And you don't realize it till after it's

793
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 5: gone how long you've been dealing with it. And then

794
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 5: it was all you know, you know, fight, fighting, and

795
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 5: cawing my way back to me from there.

796
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 1: But as we sit here today, after all that you

797
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: did go through, tell us how you're doing. I asked

798
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: that with a contact background, the context being where I

799
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,399
Speaker 1: know I was in my twenties, thirties, forties, and after

800
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: I went through some very difficult things, and even some

801
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: of the most difficult things I've been through my life,

802
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: some of it happened in the past couple of years.

803
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: What are you talking about to know that I could

804
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: sit here and be happier and healthier than I ever am,

805
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: to be than I've ever been, and to be at peace.

806
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: I always ask people in that kind of context. You

807
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 1: you pawned two gold medals. You pawn gold medals and

808
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: you you got it back, and you went through certain

809
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: you went through all this hell. Where are you now?

810
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: How is Ryan a Scurry doing today?

811
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: Well, let me just say this, TJ.

812
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 5: When I saw that I was going to interview with you, guys,

813
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 5: I had a feeling that you were in a good

814
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 5: place because.

815
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 4: I watched you know, I watched TV in the morning,

816
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 4: morning shows.

817
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,439
Speaker 5: And I knew what you know, what happened went down,

818
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 5: And the fact that I was going to talk to

819
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 5: you guys, I was like, yes, because I am all

820
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 5: for the underdog, you know, I mean people who are resilient.

821
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 5: You are stronger because you go through some heavy you

822
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 5: know what, and if you could come out on the

823
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 5: other side of it, it can become part of your foundation.

824
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 4: And now, you know, you know what, I can.

825
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 5: Face some crazy stuff and I can get through it

826
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 5: and I can do it. And so for me, I

827
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 5: am fantastic right now. I mean I am more. I

828
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 5: have a better life than I ever thought possible, And

829
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 5: people are like really, I'm like, yeah, really, So.

830
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:11,479
Speaker 4: I mean, I have an.

831
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 5: Amazing wife, I have a really great family. My step

832
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 5: kids are awesome. We live in a fantastic home. We're

833
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,960
Speaker 5: both very successful. I get to talk about myself for

834
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 5: a living. Are you kidding me?

835
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:24,439
Speaker 2: Really?

836
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 4: Like, holy cow?

837
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 5: I have great partnerships. I have great you know, people

838
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 5: that I get to work with. I get to share

839
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 5: my journey.

840
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 4: Two years ago, I.

841
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 5: Wrote a book and I did a documentary and I mean,

842
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: da da, and I haven't had validation. I've had validation

843
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 5: in some of the stuff that I didn't realize that

844
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 5: I was going through back then. Have those things be

845
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: validated for me now? And so the universe once again

846
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 5: has come back around and given me what I deserved

847
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 5: multiplied And I really truly believe that.

848
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 4: And so for me today, I'm grateful for all of it.

849
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 5: I mean, most people would say, oh, well, right, you

850
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 5: were standing on the edge of a waterfall thinking about

851
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 5: jumping in and knowing you can't swim, and you're grateful

852
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 5: for that? Yes, yes I am, because ever since that moment,

853
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 5: I've gone straight up and so there's nothing I can't

854
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 5: do and I use that and I tell everything to

855
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 5: people because I know in the crowd. When I talk

856
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 5: to people, people in your audience need to hear exactly

857
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, and they may not even be aware

858
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 5: of it, or they may not be, you know, willing

859
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 5: to talk to anybody about it.

860
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 4: But you can be resilient.

861
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 5: You can get up eight times after you get knocked

862
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 5: down seven times, and actually you'll be stronger in the

863
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 5: fighting of that situation and you'll look back on it

864
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 5: and it'll be a lesson that you take forward and

865
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 5: learn and make you into a better you. And it's

866
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 5: hard to understand that at the time when you're in it.

867
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 5: But as someone who's been in it, you know what

868
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 5: I'm talking about. You can talk about that because you've

869
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 5: been in it.

870
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: So you said, Phoenix, You're in Phoenix next week, drink Yeah,

871
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 1: we need to come to Veens.

872
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, Brian, we knew this was going to be a

873
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: great conversation, but it's even better than we expected.

874
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 5: You know.

875
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: It Just it's it's not only going through what you

876
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 2: went through, but being willing to be vulnerable and talk

877
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: about it. It's not easy and it's painful and reliving

878
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 2: it is also not fun sometimes, but what you're sharing

879
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 2: is so important for people to hear because there are

880
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
Speaker 2: moments I think that most people go through in life

881
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 2: where they think they can't they can't stand another second,

882
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Speaker 2: they can't stand another minute. And yet somehow, when you

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Speaker 2: see someone else do it and someone else go through it,

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Speaker 2: you have the courage and strength to do it too.

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Speaker 2: So thank you for sharing your story. And I know,

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Speaker 2: I just I I I'm going to buy your book today.

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Speaker 2: I just I'm so excited my grade to save. And

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Speaker 2: I think we all can learn from each other, but

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Speaker 2: certainly thank you for letting us learn from you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we got to go out and buy it. Usually

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Speaker 1: our guests send it to us for free, but will

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Speaker 1: support you. That's okay, we will support the cause. Support.

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Speaker 4: It's also on.

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Speaker 3: Audio book, and I owe you that's my favorite.

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 4: Eight hours of my voice.

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Speaker 2: You know what. We're training for another marathon and I

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Speaker 2: love listening to books when I run. So you know

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Speaker 2: what you just sealed it that is I have a

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Speaker 2: twelve miler this weekend.

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Speaker 3: We have one and I will leave.

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Speaker 2: We have we woke up real fast and we have

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Speaker 2: a twelve miler this weekend, and I will be listening

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Speaker 2: to your voice.

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Speaker 3: You have my like I'm I'm so excited now to

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Speaker 3: listen to you.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much, both of you. And it's so

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Speaker 4: fantastic with you guys, and I'm so happy that you're happy.

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Speaker 1: And we are happy that you're happy. Fantastic and you

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00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: have added to our happiness. Thank you so so much.

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Speaker 1: Whenever you're in New York again, We're going to exchange

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Speaker 1: inform age. I'm serious. I'm not kidding. Our producers know

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Speaker 1: we always ask for the info for our guests, and

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Speaker 1: that's a good point. Damn I shouldn't.

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Speaker 5: I would love it.

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Speaker 4: I would love it absolutely.

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Speaker 1: He's right, all right, Well, thank you so so much.

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Speaker 1: Congrats on everything, and appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 4: Thank you both. It's so fantastic to see you. I

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Speaker 4: appreciate you both. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: That is so awesome.

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Speaker 3: You were so excited about talking to her.

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Speaker 2: And you know what people always say, be careful when

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Speaker 2: you meet your heroes or you meet someone you're because

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Speaker 2: they disappoint you. Oftentimes I would say, uh, Brian exceeded

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Speaker 2: all all, like, just such a beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And we'll let you all know. We wanted this to

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Speaker 1: happen in studio because we knew that the team was

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Speaker 1: going to be in New York is right here, so

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Speaker 1: that was the request. But we ended up being out

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Speaker 1: of town and we weren't able to be here, and

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Speaker 1: that we should have canceled our trip to Italy so

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Speaker 1: we could stay here in studio with good Bride. But

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Speaker 1: that was great. So, folks, we appreciate you has always

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Speaker 1: spending some time with us. You can find us on

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00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 1: our official Instagram page at Amy and TJ Podcast. You

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Speaker 1: were jumping because you I was gonna forget Dan.

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Speaker 2: You you always remember though, even if you even if

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Speaker 2: you just you know, pause a little bit, you always

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Speaker 2: get it.

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Speaker 3: Nail it, not me.

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Speaker 1: Well, folks, stay with it. We will see you again

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Speaker 1: very very soon.