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Speaker 1: The volume. You know you.

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Speaker 2: Don't do the Bowl championship. That should always be the expectation.

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Speaker 1: All right, man, actually, go ahead, all right, Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the New Look Richard Sherman Podcast with my guy

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Speaker 1: Mitch Eisenstein. Mitchell. Nicholas John Bosa five years, one hundred

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Speaker 1: and seventy million, one hundred and twenty two guaranteed. I

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Speaker 1: text him, he's so excited, ready to go, gonna make

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Speaker 1: an impact this Sunday, Mitchell, what you think?

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Speaker 2: I think Nicholas John Bosa gave you a nice couple

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Speaker 2: grand in the Venmo account. Richard, you just outfitted your

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Speaker 2: back office. My goodness. Talk about an upgrade from the

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Speaker 2: John Clayton closet to what now looks like the taj

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Speaker 2: Mahal for those of who view watching. But Richard, you

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Speaker 2: called it. You said this for months, now, years now,

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Speaker 2: that Nicholas John Bosa is gonna set the mark that

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Speaker 2: he deserves to be paid as such. I want to

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Speaker 2: hear your reactions to this breaking news on a five year,

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Speaker 2: one hundred and seventy million dollars deal with the San

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Speaker 1: Mitchell, I am excited and I'm sure the state of

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Speaker 1: California is excited too, because they're gonna get there thirteen

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Speaker 1: percent up out of him. But Mitchell nobody deserves it more.

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Speaker 1: He's getting quarterback money. Well, you know, off quarterback money,

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Speaker 1: but you know old quarterback money, but quarterback money. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's one of the best players in the National Football League.

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Speaker 1: I would guess he'd be top three right now period,

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Speaker 1: you know, regardless of position. And he's earned the money.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure everybody in San Francisco is in the building,

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Speaker 1: not excited the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive line, because they said

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Speaker 1: they were prepared for him. Mike Tomlins said all the

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Speaker 1: right things because he's a great coach and he's a

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Speaker 1: great strategist. But I guarantee you they would have preferred

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Speaker 1: Nicholas john to not be present for this game, even

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Speaker 1: if he's spot duty, because he's definitely gonna be on

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Speaker 1: a pitch count. You can you can't expect him not

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Speaker 1: So his first contact will be on game day, which

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Speaker 1: is you know, a little terrifying. I'm sure he'll try

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Speaker 1: to find a way to get physical. You know, maybe

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Speaker 1: he's been you know, going live with somebody, you know

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Speaker 1: where he's training. But either way, I'm sure they're static

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Speaker 2: Well Rich, It's seemed to be a thing this offseason

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Speaker 2: with big, big name defensive players. I mean, we saw

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Speaker 2: We got some big name players still holding out. You

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Speaker 1: I hate that situation, Mitch Well. I hate the Jonathan

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Speaker 1: Taylor situation because it's so it's so underhanded. You know,

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Speaker 1: this guy has been given their his all to that franchise.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't done anything that I know of, you know,

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Speaker 1: to this franchise or to this owner, but give his best,

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Speaker 1: you know, give them quality football. He wants to be

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Speaker 1: And you know what they do. They put him on

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Speaker 1: and he's clearly telling people he's not injured, and then

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Speaker 1: you're sitting there trying to take his money. You're trying

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Speaker 1: just there's something to be said for, like, hey, guy

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Speaker 1: Jones is getting fined, but I'm sure once they come

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Speaker 1: zero net, which is fair. You know, he's a franchise

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Speaker 1: against your Detroit Lions, Mitchell, that's a whole different game.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole different game if he's not president tomorrow

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Speaker 1: when he's not on the field, they are not getting

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Speaker 2: Well, Richard, let's look at the business aspect of these

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he's going to be able to, but

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe on an average value. Who knows, But Richard,

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Speaker 2: how much does it mess with an athlete psyche when

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Speaker 1: Well, Chris Jones just did an interview yesterday and spoke

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Speaker 1: you promised him, you signed that contract. Honor it team,

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Speaker 1: I don't have any problem at all with a player

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Speaker 1: when he has a rookie quarterback. There's a rookie quarterback.

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Speaker 1: You know what would help a rookie quarterback in this situation,

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Speaker 2: Well, this running back position is certainly anomaly. Like in sports, Richard,

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Speaker 2: I mean, the running back position is such a valuable position,

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Speaker 1: But your Detroit Lions Mitchell who well.

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Speaker 2: Richard, this team you didn't want to talk about him

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Speaker 2: So that tells me that they've arrived. Rich We got

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Speaker 2: I mean, before we get there, I think Jared Goff

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Speaker 1: If Travis Kelsey plays Mitchell, I think, I think Mahomes

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Speaker 1: Well, I think he's probably one of the best teammates

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mitchell, Mitchell, I look forward do it. Everybody, thank

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