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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Wit and today we have very

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Speaker 1: special guest actress, writer, filmmaker, director. I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: add all those titles. I'm sorry. Ashley Versa is in

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Speaker 1: the building.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, how are you doing? I'm good?

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Speaker 1: How are you good? I'm hungry? Really yeah, okay, even

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Speaker 1: though I did have like a bagel with lockspread.

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Speaker 2: You're hungry.

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Speaker 1: That was earlier. That was earlier.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair, that's fair.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, semi hungry. Well, you had virtually one of

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Speaker 1: the cheapest dishes on the show, so it was very easy.

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Speaker 1: It was just like walk in, walk out. Why don't

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Speaker 1: you tell our listeners and our audience what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna have me eating today?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to be having you eat some eggs.

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Speaker 1: Eggs, plain and simple like eggs, salt, and pepper. And

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Speaker 1: you said olive oil, which you know we're gonna find

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Speaker 1: out what it's like to eat eggs and olive oil today.

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Speaker 1: You never did it. I don't think I've ever done it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, this is good. And the pepper is optional.

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Speaker 1: The pepper is optional? Sure, okay, she didn't even ask

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Speaker 1: for Lorry's guys, No start passing judgment eggs, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Believe it or not, there are some black folks out

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Speaker 1: there that have never seen regular salt. I truly believe this.

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of respect for Lorry's, though, so

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Speaker 2: I'm here for it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, why don't you get in the kitchen start

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Speaker 1: cooking these eggs. What kind of eggs are you gonna

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Speaker 1: make today?

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna make scrambled eggs.

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Speaker 1: Scrambled you can't miss it up?

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Speaker 2: Good? You can, but you can't.

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Speaker 1: We don't judge these eggs. Now.

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Speaker 2: How do you like your eggs?

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Speaker 1: I like them over medium?

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting? Okay, But I eat eggs.

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Speaker 1: Any which hard? No? I I to running sometimes it

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Speaker 1: depends what if I want a gooy mish a guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, if we got ash browns, do it running.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it's just like some sausage and eggs,

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Speaker 1: do it hard.

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Speaker 2: You know we're gonna make some eggs. That's gonna be exciting.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead, little nervous.

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Speaker 1: This simple dish. So I have a saying, the broker

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Speaker 1: the dish, the better the story. Oh okay. Now being

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Speaker 1: an actress, yeah, you know, give us some insight that

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Speaker 1: I'm sure. I'm sure it can't be.

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Speaker 2: You got it like it's getting, it's getting. It's the

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Speaker 2: stress is coming to me now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just turned it off.

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Speaker 2: I know, I know later to go off. It needs

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Speaker 2: to go off. I was like, it's too much stress.

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Speaker 2: So we're gonna start slow. So we're cracking eggs. I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna just bang it on the counter, go for it.

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Speaker 2: Do we need a lesson in that? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: I've heard things though. People drop eggs. They drop them

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Speaker 2: on the counter to crack them perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, from like a low height like.

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Speaker 2: They do that. Let's see and apparently it cracks nice. Really,

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Speaker 2: it's pretty nice. That's pretty nice.

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Speaker 1: I just like to do a nice crack, real hard

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Speaker 1: on the side of the pot of.

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Speaker 2: The Oh, you just like to It's that feels like

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Speaker 2: so like an emotional way of picking.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 2: You know, we don't have a rag, but I'll just

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Speaker 2: see a napkin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you need a napkin.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a napkin and white my hands off. So

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Speaker 2: this is part of the broken aspect, is getting all

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Speaker 2: the you're hilarious, Yeah, it's it might be breaking.

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Speaker 1: These eggs are like a dollar in egg.

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Speaker 2: I'm cooking for eggs. We're cooking all the eggs. It's protein,

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Speaker 2: it's proteins, fats, that's a whole meal.

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Speaker 1: Back in the day, actually living on how much How

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Speaker 1: much was the eggs back in the.

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Speaker 2: Day, I don't know, but they were super cheap because

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Speaker 2: I have a fond memory of the giant cart from

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Speaker 2: Costco of white eggs, white eggs.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell our listeners that little joke you made

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Speaker 1: about the brown eggs versus the white?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I told you it was so funny, she said. She

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Speaker 2: Everybody's freaking out about the eggs. It's getting real like

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Speaker 2: the soy and the eggs it's corn. You know. I

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Speaker 2: emailed some farms.

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Speaker 1: No, you did it, I did.

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Speaker 2: I emailed some farms because I was really curious about

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Speaker 2: this because everybody really started freaking out about the eggs.

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Speaker 2: So I was like, okay, what's up. We want eggs

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Speaker 2: with no soy with no corn. So I emailed some

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Speaker 2: farms and the farm said, listen, we do our best,

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Speaker 2: but it's really impossible to our next to impossible to

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Speaker 2: grow what we need or not grow I mean their eggs.

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Speaker 2: I guess they're being birth or whatever whatever, who knows

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Speaker 2: what that's called. But to get what we need, get

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Speaker 2: the amount that we need, it's impossible to just feed

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Speaker 2: they do do some corn and soy substitutions. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: emo two farms. They were so nice and they responded

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Speaker 2: some eggs okay, I thought about it. So there's one

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Speaker 2: in San Diego, but I was just too far to

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Speaker 1: I have a girlfriend that goes online and she purchases

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Speaker 1: good lord, she's spending like fifteen twenty dollars a carton. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: she's like, but they real I'm like, you might as

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Speaker 1: well just get some chickens for that. You know.

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Speaker 2: It's it's sad because eggs used to be really affordable,

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Speaker 2: and I think you're just.

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Speaker 1: Not now what are you gonna do if? Like, well,

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Speaker 1: time to the eggs. But could you imagine being overoil

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Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna eat?

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Speaker 2: Who would you eat for breakfast? What do you do?

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Speaker 1: What would I do with my daughter? Every day?

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Speaker 2: What do you do? Cru But what kind of cereal?

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Speaker 1: The well we buy the expensive on name brand fruity

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Speaker 1: pebbles and all that, but a good we don't buy

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Speaker 1: her to knockoffs.

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Speaker 2: The goods, the good, fun tasting cereal.

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Speaker 1: When you grow up off the knockoffs, you never ever

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Speaker 1: ever want to go back. That's fair, you know. So

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Speaker 1: all right, take me back to what was going on

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Speaker 2: Eggs, you know. I don't know. I think I have

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Speaker 2: just general fun memories of breakfast. I grew up in

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Speaker 2: us on like Saturday mornings. So he'd make pancakes, apples,

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Speaker 2: like little compount kind of thing. He would do real apples,

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Speaker 2: yeahh he like slice them and everything. Yeah, in the morning.

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Speaker 2: I would just be like, he'd be like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you put them into pancakes?

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Speaker 2: No, so you put them on top, so like a

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Speaker 2: like pancakes, apples, bacon, and then we'd have eggs.

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Speaker 1: And you came on this show and presented us with

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Speaker 1: just eggs. Got it. We had to live the full

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Speaker 2: My parents weren't broke, okay, clearly, not clearly.

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Speaker 1: So you come from a two parent house.

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Speaker 2: I come from a two parent household where your daddy

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Speaker 2: makes good breakfast. My daddy is the cook in the house.

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Speaker 1: Oh he's the cook.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the cook in the household.

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Speaker 1: How can we only cooked on the weekends the.

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Speaker 2: No, No, this is just like our weekend thing. So

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Speaker 2: Saturday mornings when I was a kid, he would make

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Speaker 2: and we'd all like go downstairs and have breakfast, and

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Speaker 1: For breakfast and what was your mama doing during this sleeping?

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Speaker 2: Mom My mom worked really hard. They both worked really hard,

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Speaker 2: but she I think they had a really good I

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Speaker 1: Like there was never a discussion about it, was just

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Speaker 2: Because I think, you know, my mom did like a

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Speaker 2: she'd be sleeping, we'd all he'd be like, breakfast is ready,

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Speaker 2: and we'd all like get up and go downstairs. It's

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was Anyone who cooks feels that way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, dinner's ready, it's ready two minutes arrive.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes I'm saying I'm not okay with it.

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Speaker 1: So all right, so what's going on during this egg's ear?

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that's like my beginner of that. And then

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Speaker 2: I think, honestly, I think probably when I first moved

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Speaker 2: wanted to be an actor. I moved to Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: I got a job at Kaiser Permanente, and I didn't

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Speaker 1: What were you doing at Kaiser?

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Speaker 2: I worked in medical education at Kaiser Permanente on the

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Speaker 2: Kaiser on sunset, and I had no money, so I

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Speaker 2: used to buy I used to bit buy the soup

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Speaker 2: it was super cheap and and yeah, I would.

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Speaker 1: Eat evener even with a day job.

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Speaker 2: You were still broke, Yeah, I mean I was. I

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Speaker 2: so I didn't have money, like you know, when you first,

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Speaker 2: any money, Like you're like, can you please, just like,

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Speaker 2: can I get advance on the paycheck? Like that would

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Speaker 2: have been really great to get an advance of the paycheck.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see you do an actual ask

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Speaker 1: on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that would have been I mean I did

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Speaker 2: ask for some things later and they were like maybe

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Speaker 2: not but and so that's I think that's probably like

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Speaker 2: when this really happened because I used to I used

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Speaker 2: to have an ex for breakfast.

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Speaker 1: And during this stay job, you said you didn't know

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Speaker 2: I did not. I was still trying to figure out

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Speaker 2: what I wanted to do. I went to college, I did,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what I went to college for? But

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I gratus.

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Speaker 1: Did you do it to make your parents happy?

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Speaker 2: No? I mean I think I always knew I would

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Speaker 2: go to college, but I was. I was so I

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Speaker 2: had been in the arts since from a very young age,

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Speaker 2: very long time, so what kind of musician violinist.

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Speaker 1: You're a violinist.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for a really long time.

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Speaker 1: Damn, I wish I would have done that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I think these eggs are done. Okay, are you

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Speaker 2: having violent?

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm judging your eggs.

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Speaker 2: Eggs.

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Speaker 1: She cooked them. She was like folding.

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Speaker 2: You're judging my eggs.

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Speaker 1: She was folding. I don't know if the inside is

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be a little runny. You said you like

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Speaker 2: it a little creamy.

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Speaker 1: We judging a cooking. Do you cook now?

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Speaker 1: Cooking?

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're gonna She didn't put salt or pepper.

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Speaker 2: No, because you can't taste it if you put it

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Speaker 2: in that while you're cooking it. So you put it

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Speaker 2: How very much you like? Eggs are done?

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Speaker 2: I had some turkey? Turkey and a baby bell.

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Speaker 1: A baby bell.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know me, those little cheese things. Yeah? Oh

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Speaker 2: I was just like pulling my life together this morning.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do a taste test. I added salt

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Speaker 2: Thanks. I'd be okay if you didn't like them. I've

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Speaker 2: never actually had fluffy eggs like this. You know that's

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Speaker 1: Do you know what's crazy is that I always think

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Speaker 1: you have to like overcook the eggs. This is pretty good.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually impressed with your I was judging. I was like,

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Speaker 1: in a breakfast at your house. This is the most

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Speaker 1: fluffiest restaurant style scrambled eggs I've had. Thank you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was living there. She had like a twin

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Speaker 2: But eventually I was in traffic coming home from Hollywood

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Speaker 2: I was in New York at first, and then I

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Speaker 2: We were deeply concerned. It was hard. It was so hard.

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Speaker 1: You know what's fucked is that if you got COVID,

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Speaker 2: In a New York SIDS apartment. I didn't know how

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Speaker 2: like the fake fire escape balcony, like yelling to people.

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Speaker 1: All right. So going back to Kaiser. You're chilling on

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Speaker 1: You're working a day job. I'm guessing you're making probably

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Speaker 2: No, I made I made pretty good money. I will

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Speaker 2: say that it wasn't that bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was real. I really ate that soup.

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Speaker 1: And did you tell your family right away that that's

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Speaker 2: So I decided that I was going to pursue that,

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Speaker 2: And I was like no, and he was like, so

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Speaker 1: Oh and that's when you told me.

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Speaker 1: So then what does the next year look like for you?

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Speaker 2: it was really hard to have my job. It was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so did you? Well, So what happened was I

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Speaker 2: going to New York and like doing like the full

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00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,040
Speaker 2: on conservatory program and like what do you think? And

443
00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,000
Speaker 2: we had like a conversation about it, and he was like, yeah,

444
00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:36,520
Speaker 2: you know, I think I think this is the right

445
00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,000
Speaker 2: step for you based on X, Y and Z and

446
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,000
Speaker 2: knowing me and my work at that moment in time.

447
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,160
Speaker 2: And so I like was auditioning lightly, right, So I've

448
00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,520
Speaker 2: done like these weird little random things and then I

449
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,240
Speaker 2: got this audition to do a show Buddy the Buddy

450
00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,400
Speaker 2: Holly Story, which is kind of like a musical presentation show,

451
00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 2: and you needed they needed someone who could act, sing

452
00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,159
Speaker 2: and dance.

453
00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 1: Oh well, I was gonna say, luckily you have that

454
00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 1: musician background and play the violin is okay.

455
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,879
Speaker 2: So I was like, all right. So I had to

456
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,679
Speaker 2: do three tapes for my audition. I think I had

457
00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:13,159
Speaker 2: to sing, I had to play the violin, and then

458
00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,840
Speaker 2: I had to do a scene I think in my audition.

459
00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 2: So I sent it in and I, you know, I'm

460
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,800
Speaker 2: still working at Kaiser in my cubicle and crying in

461
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: the whole way. And then I booked it and it

462
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,560
Speaker 2: was I was like, holy shit, that's crazy.

463
00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:26,920
Speaker 1: But it was in New York.

464
00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:29,520
Speaker 2: It was in Rock Island, Illinois.

465
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, how long would you have to be there?

466
00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:33,600
Speaker 2: For a couple of months?

467
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,800
Speaker 1: Gosh, I can only imagine how great that feeling was

468
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,159
Speaker 1: also probably surrounded by oh, how am I going to

469
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:41,439
Speaker 1: do this?

470
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,960
Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? Yeah, oh for sure? And so I was

471
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,840
Speaker 2: like okay, And I think I told my mom and

472
00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm just going to ask them. She

473
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:50,919
Speaker 2: was like, just ask them if they'll give you like

474
00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,199
Speaker 2: a leave, like a leave of like a I don't know,

475
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:54,720
Speaker 2: like a leave of asking or something like that, right

476
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,960
Speaker 2: when I was like, okay, cool. So at the same

477
00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,879
Speaker 2: time I'm there, I was also so I interviewed for

478
00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: this really this job at Kaiser to be the internal

479
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 2: medicine actually just as residency coordinator, which is which is

480
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: a big job. It's a big job because it's heavily

481
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 2: regulated in terms of like what you need to make

482
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: sure happens, and it's really about like the residence and

483
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 2: then going through their residency program. And I'm sure I

484
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:20,919
Speaker 2: paid more, right, Yes, it paid more money, and it

485
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,000
Speaker 2: was a big job. And so I interviewed for the job.

486
00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 2: I got the job, and then I also got it

487
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,880
Speaker 2: for internal medicine, which was the hardest and the biggest

488
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Speaker 2: one to do, and like you know high like you know,

489
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 2: high value or whatever, right, And I.

490
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Speaker 1: Got the job before you got the audition.

491
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Speaker 2: I think I got the job. It all happened kind

492
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,240
Speaker 2: of at the same time. So I got the job,

493
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: and so then and I guess so I like booked

494
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,920
Speaker 2: it and I got the job, right, And so let's

495
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 2: say like Friday, I got the job and I was like, okay, shit,

496
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:53,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can curse you okay. So

497
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 2: I got the job and then I like took the

498
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 2: weekend and then I came to work on Monday, and

499
00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 2: then I went to the director and I was like, hey,

500
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,760
Speaker 2: I can't take this job.

501
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 1: You can't thought you were going to do a little stall. No.

502
00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:06,679
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't. I can't teach this job

503
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 2: because I don't want to do this. I just really

504
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: want to be an actor. And so anyway, like I

505
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 2: asked them for a leave and they were like, we'll

506
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:16,199
Speaker 2: think about it, give us a minute, and then I

507
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,760
Speaker 2: came to work. This was a little time after I

508
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 2: came to work, and then they were like okay. They

509
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,680
Speaker 2: pulled me into a meeting and they were like, listen,

510
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 2: we're not going to give you the leave and I

511
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,480
Speaker 2: said okay, and they were like okay, well what are

512
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 2: you going to do? And I was like, oh, this

513
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 2: is my two week notice.

514
00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: Did you do it like that too?

515
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah?

516
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 1: Oh surprise bitch.

517
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: As I'm out, probably I was like, oh, this is

518
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 2: my two weeks.

519
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,840
Speaker 1: Not They probably thought they were going to like game

520
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 1: check you and then you gain.

521
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 2: I do think it was a little bit like that.

522
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,880
Speaker 2: I think it was a bit much like and now

523
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 2: that I'm remembering more acurate. These things happened over a

524
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 2: period of months, so I so I got like the

525
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 2: job offer was first, and then there was some months

526
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 2: in between that, and then this happened, and so yeah,

527
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Speaker 2: I think they really thought that I was going to say, Okay, hey,

528
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 2: I won't go, and I was like, no, no, like

529
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,199
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go one hundred percent. Yeah, And that was

530
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 2: really like the kickoff.

531
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,959
Speaker 1: I want to know, like, did you you already prepared

532
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: for the possibility of walking obviously? Yeah.

533
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,440
Speaker 2: I think I was just like was always that person

534
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 2: a bit in a good way.

535
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 1: I love your personality though, like, oh yeah, what's my

536
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 1: I'm out?

537
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: Simple?

538
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: So you go to New York, well Rochester, Rocky, Illinois.

539
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 1: Sorry sorry no, I So you go over there and

540
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: you're doing this and at some point, do you what

541
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: are the motions saying to you? I mean, you risked

542
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,359
Speaker 1: a lot to be there, and did you pack up

543
00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 1: your apartment or you.

544
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: Just oh yeah. So I sublet my apartment to this writer,

545
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 2: a TV writer. I sublet my apartment. I sold like

546
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: my TV and some of the stuff in it to him,

547
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: and then I went to my parents' house for because

548
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,120
Speaker 2: it was around Christmas time. I went to my parents'

549
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,480
Speaker 2: house around Chrismas time and they I was there. I

550
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 2: did Christmas, and then January like first or something. I

551
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,360
Speaker 2: took a plane. They had a ticket, so I took

552
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 2: a plane to Illinois.

553
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: And they put you up and everything.

554
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, they put us up all in the house and

555
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 2: stuff like that.

556
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

557
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was the paid good No, no, but

558
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,120
Speaker 2: it was it was fine for what it was like, Yeah,

559
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 2: my you know, my job was being here and just

560
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: like doing this show. It was dinner theater. This theater

561
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: called I think it's called circa circa twenty one. I

562
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 2: think it's what it's called dinner theater type of thing.

563
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: It's just such a really great place to like have

564
00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 2: that introduction for me, like someone like me who was like,

565
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is.

566
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: But the reason why I ask about the pay and

567
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 1: all that is because you walked away from oh money, yeah,

568
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: stability right, oh yeah, and then you close down your apartment. Yes,

569
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: so after wraps and top of little pay, what's your

570
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: next play?

571
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: I took my little four one care I took it.

572
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: I'm gambling at all I did. I gambled it all

573
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: on this career. I took it k the tour wraps.

574
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: Then what I moved to New York? Then you moved

575
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: to Oh you up the anti suicide she said. So

576
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,119
Speaker 1: she said, Oh if I thought La was hard, because

577
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 1: no disrespect to La, but New York has got to

578
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: be ten times harder.

579
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

580
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: It's fair. Everyone there lives in a cracker box. I

581
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 1: make jokes all the time. You can't really move to

582
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 1: New York broke because like, there's not a lot of

583
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: people that are gonna put you up for a long

584
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: period of time. No, not in a place that you

585
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,640
Speaker 1: could touch the wall.

586
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: Yes, so my I have. I had a lot of

587
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 2: family who lived in New York at the time. My

588
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: Ti La Grain lived in New York. I did not

589
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 2: even recall meeting her, but my my mom called and

590
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: I was like. She was like, you can live your

591
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 2: tea And I was like, okay, great, And so I

592
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: talked to her and she was like, okay, this is

593
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 2: what you do when you get in a taxi. You

594
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,640
Speaker 2: tell them to go here, don't let them trick you,

595
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 2: and you come here and then you're good. And I

596
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 2: walked in her house with my two giant suitcases, and

597
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,400
Speaker 2: she was like, Hi, this is your room.

598
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: That's your mom's sister.

599
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 2: No, it's my mom cousin. So my I'm my part

600
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 2: of my family's frum indoors and so a lot of

601
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: that part of my family lived and grew up in

602
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: New York. So it is my like, my mom's probably

603
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: like second or second cousin, I think, or something like that.

604
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: Because you said ta, I thought that meant like she's

605
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: she's it is she's she's at that point in that

606
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 1: age difference, she's she's my aunt.

607
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,959
Speaker 2: Oh good god, yeah, like respect, that's funny.

608
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so surprised she's solely solely supportive, like.

609
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: She's yeah, she she passed away like during COVID but

610
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: she sorry, I'm going to pull myself together.

611
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 1: Go ahead.

612
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: But she incredibly supportive, Like I couldn't have done any

613
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 2: of it without her.

614
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: Wow, how long did you get to stay with her?

615
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 2: I stayed with her probably for like two years something

616
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,359
Speaker 2: like that, around probably around two years. I think that

617
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 2: feels like like a right number. Yeah.

618
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: And then during this whole New York trial, you're doing

619
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,520
Speaker 1: the conservative.

620
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: Ships in the territory. Yeah, I'm doing the like again, Yeah,

621
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 2: I know, I'm fine. Sorry, I don't haven't pulled to

622
00:26:58,480 --> 00:26:58,959
Speaker 2: this story.

623
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 1: No. Like, yeah, so during the two years you're you're

624
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 1: pursuing the conservative.

625
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in the conservatory program, which is like super rigorous.

626
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: Can you explain what that is exactly?

627
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's like and it's it's it's an alternative

628
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,400
Speaker 2: to grad school essentially, and basically, so if you're doing

629
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: like the whole shebang, you probably are doing like and

630
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: your general like acting class and whatever that method is

631
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: that's taught at that conservatory, and then you're doing probably

632
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 2: a movement, voice speech, Shakespeare, probably script analysis, theater history,

633
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: film history, those kinds of things. It is. That's why

634
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: it's really is like the conservatory word is like really

635
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: perfect because it's it's a heavily concentrated thing that you're doing.

636
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 2: It runs just like a school year runs, so you

637
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,919
Speaker 2: have like the summers off and then in the summers

638
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 2: if you want to do something you can. Yeah, it's

639
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 2: a lot.

640
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: It was hard after going through a conservatory. Do you

641
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 1: look at actors that say, I didn't do acting class

642
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: and I just did it a do you look at

643
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: them a little different?

644
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: No? No, I think I think maybe you could or

645
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 2: I could have right after, but at this point, no, like,

646
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: oh my god, this job is so hard. The career

647
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 2: is just so hard. And I think if you find

648
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 2: it however, it comes to you. You know, there's people

649
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: who are like who are like, I've never done an

650
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 2: acting class, but it's acting saved my life. Like I

651
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: don't have no judgment in any of that.

652
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 1: And then when you watch movies, do you look at

653
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: movies differently?

654
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: I think that that someone that came with just like

655
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: training and you know, being being an actor and then

656
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: becoming a filmmaker like that. But I like at them

657
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 2: differently and just in a really fun way. Like so

658
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,760
Speaker 2: I think I just like engage a little bit differently,

659
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 2: Like I'm so curious about like like I had.

660
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 1: In my head.

661
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: There's like tiny, tiny moments of movies or TV shows

662
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: that like sit there because I just think they're phenomenal. Okay,

663
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 2: Like what there's this, Okay, there's this scene in this

664
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 2: show Downton Abbey. There's a scene in the beginning of

665
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: the show where one of the this guy is becoming

666
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: a butler for this new guy, and the new guy

667
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 2: is very like I don't like any of this, and

668
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: they have this back and forth and he the new guy,

669
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: says like something like to him like, I don't like,

670
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: you know, something like what kind of what kind of

671
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: man has a job where he has addressed another man

672
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 2: for a living. And the reaction.

673
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: That the butler has is just phenomenal.

674
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I was like, that's just like he

675
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: had because he's you can see he's he has he's

676
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: holding all of this and he's also like like experiencing

677
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: this moment of being oh like you know, demoralized. But

678
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 2: he and it just all shows up in his face.

679
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful, tiny moment and stuff like that.

680
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: Shout out to him. Yeah, a great acting job. Going

681
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: back to your story, though, you complete the Conservative Tours,

682
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: Conservative Conservatory, Conservatory yeah ship no no, yeah, yeah, yeah,

683
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: you complete it. Yes, you kill it within under two

684
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 1: years as a year two years. Yeah, and then you

685
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: come back to l A.

686
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: No. I stayed in New York and then I was like,

687
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this, ah, and I just like auditioned

688
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: for everything.

689
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: But now you said you're you're well, I guess I

690
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: don't know the timeline because your auntie you said, pastor

691
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: in COVID. Yeah, so did she? So she there must

692
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: have been a big gap between when you moved.

693
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 2: There and yeah covid, yes, yes there was.

694
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So were you staying with her the whole time?

695
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: No, I was with her for two years, and then

696
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 2: at the point my apartment, my partner and I moved

697
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: in together. And so that that's.

698
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: You were like a New Yorker.

699
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 2: No, not a New Yorker. But but he's in New

700
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 2: Yorker at heart?

701
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: Where is he from?

702
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: A bit all over?

703
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: But did you meet in New York?

704
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: Oh?

705
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so y'all move in?

706
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 2: So you fell in love, fell in love, fell in

707
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: love in New York.

708
00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you move in together. You complete it

709
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: and both y'all are you're still not working a real job?

710
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: No? So okay. So throughout the conservatory program, I worked

711
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 2: as a waitress. I was a server.

712
00:30:58,520 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: I think that's the hardest job in the world.

713
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: It was so hard. I have so much respect. It

714
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: was so hard.

715
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: So fast food gets all the respects in my book.

716
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, God, fast food jobs I can do.

717
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I was. I was a cocktail waitress, and

718
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: then I was also a server. I worked at like

719
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 2: a hotel lobby, bar, I worked at another lobby bar

720
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: I worked at STK Meatpacking, which was crazy. I worked

721
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: all at the places all during all this, so I

722
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: worked at all these different places. And then towards the

723
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: end of my be finishing the conservatory program is when

724
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 2: I went to babysitting. I used to babysit years before.

725
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: I loved it. Though I loved it, I never had

726
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 2: a bad day, you know. I just felt like I

727
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: never had a day where it ended, and I thought

728
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 2: it was horrible.

729
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: Really with babysitting. How old were the kids?

730
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: So my preference was like two and up. Okay, the

731
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: family I was with the longest, they were four and

732
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 2: I think seven when I started welcome and they were amazing. Okay,

733
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: all right, So that's what I did. I mean, not

734
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: a lot of money because it's babysitting.

735
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: But babysitters, by the way, make good money.

736
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: No they do, they do? They do. I mean I

737
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 2: was making I was making not terrible money. But it

738
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 2: was also the beginning of that me read you know,

739
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 2: starting that again. And so I wasn't making bad money,

740
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: but it wasn't I wasn't full time, you know. And

741
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 2: but there there are the jobs that are like great

742
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 2: full time benefits and everything, but I wasn't full time.

743
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: It was part time babysitter. And that's how that's how live.

744
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: And then you're auditioning the whole time.

745
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 2: Yes, and then auditioning the whole time booking like I

746
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: was doing, like like off off off Broadway theater, like

747
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 2: so like black Box Theater and that type of stuff,

748
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 2: web series and you know, just the feilt short film,

749
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: anything like that you could do, which I learned a

750
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: lot of lessons in. Maybe not everything you can do

751
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 2: you should or could do, but yeah, that's what I

752
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 2: was doing.

753
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: That was the most intriguing lesson you learned during that era.

754
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: Hmmm. I think it was when you when you I

755
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: don't know if it's intriguing, but when you finish, when

756
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: you finish, school, conservatory, whatever.

757
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 1: Right.

758
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 2: There's a lot of rhetoric of like, you know, audition

759
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: for everything, hmm, and to some degree I agree with that,

760
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: But I also found myself in situations that were not

761
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: healthy and that were dangerous, and so I think maybe

762
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: not audition for everything, auditioned maybe for most things, and

763
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 2: you know, stantinto's down while you think that something's out

764
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 2: on line and.

765
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Walk away what's an example of like a situation you

766
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: put yourself into that was like unhealthy or not safe. Yeah.

767
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: I had I had booked this play and I had

768
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: gone to the first rehearsal, which was more of like

769
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 2: just kind of read through type of like vibes, and

770
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: I remember that the character I was going to play

771
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: was in a very abusive relationship. And I had asked

772
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: the director, Hey, so there's some physical violence that happens

773
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: to the character in the play. Are we going to

774
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 2: like fight choreo this, you know, and walk through this

775
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: and da da da da. And the director was like, no, no,

776
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 2: he's just gonna grab you and pull you across stage.

777
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, sh that seems like a bad plan

778
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: and really dangerous like physically and emotionally and mentally and everything.

779
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 2: And that was a show. I was like went home

780
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 2: and I was like I'm out, thank you so much.

781
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: You know. I've also like shown up for an audition

782
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 2: and audition in a hallway, which was shocking to me

783
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: that I left my job early to audition in a hallway,

784
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 2: So things like that could happen, you know. That's like

785
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: these are real stories. So I think that there is

786
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 2: some of like you kind of got to learn the

787
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: ropes of like what's what and what is and like,

788
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: you know, learn how to read like a breakdown, research

789
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: the people, and then sometimes you do all that, but

790
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: then you show up and you're like, m this seems

791
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: not okay. You know, You're like, oh, I've had friends

792
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: show up and the director hits on them and I'm like, no,

793
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 2: that's not okay, it's not okay. So that's a we're

794
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 2: walking away from this situation. Thank you, no, thank you. Yeah,

795
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: And that's very hard to do.

796
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: I was gonna get it. That's got to be really tough,

797
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: very hard to do. You're like, this could be my

798
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: first real break.

799
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: And you just want to work. You just want to work,

800
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 2: even if you know you want to work, you want

801
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: to learn, you want to work, you want to practice.

802
00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: So yeah, so after.

803
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: You work in a pustle and bustle of jobs, I

804
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: want to get closer to you and your real big like, well,

805
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: I'm quitting these jobs. You do quit the jobs?

806
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

807
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're watching you on Netflix. So what's the

808
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: big play that kind of like says I can do

809
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:39,759
Speaker 1: the thing?

810
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I was working for Okay,

811
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: so we're fast forwarding. Like I was working for a

812
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,440
Speaker 2: nonprofit which I have a door and I've still work

813
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: with them now. And that's when like things start moving, right,

814
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 2: That's when you I'm like, oh gosh, I think the

815
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: ship is like sailing okay, and and it really around

816
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: booking Beauty and Black and so. But I didn't quit

817
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 2: right away.

818
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I waited shout out to the nonprofit. It's made in.

819
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:09,800
Speaker 2: So I've worked with nating her Image. But the nonprofit

820
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 2: is now known as Education Action and Alliance, and it's

821
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: a nonprofit that focuses on supporting LGBT plus youth in

822
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: the state of Arizona. And so that is who I

823
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: was working with. Now I'm a board member on that nonprofit.

824
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: It's just it's exciting. But yeah, so I like it

825
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: was like a slow crawl to that and then and

826
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: then booking Straw. I think was kind of the moment

827
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: where it was like, okay, I think actually and it

828
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 2: was a lot less about like two we know, it's

829
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: a lot more about like I actually don't have the

830
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: capacity to do all of these things at the level

831
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: which they need to be done.

832
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

833
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: I think that's really kind of what happened for me.

834
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: Things came to a head in that way.

835
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so when you can you take me through Beauty

836
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: and Black, like what the whole feelings vibes calls the

837
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: whole big shebang behind that moment.

838
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was I just I fondly, fondly

839
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: would deeply remember the audition because I just remember me really.

840
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this scene is the scene is long,

841
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: and I want to make sure that like it's it's

842
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 2: active and interesting and keeps people watch, keeps the viewer

843
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 2: watching and trying to like curate just like dynamic choices

844
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 2: throughout the whole scene that keep changing and changing and changing.

845
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: So that was really fun. But yeah, I mean I

846
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: did that and then my my agents called and they

847
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,880
Speaker 2: were like, hey, like, so you booked this, And I

848
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: was like, what.

849
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: Does that mean?

850
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: I think I'm a freezer. The show in Atlanta, okay,

851
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,440
Speaker 2: and you at the time in La.

852
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: Oh it was in La.

853
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was in La.

854
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

855
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: I was like, I think I just froze a bit,

856
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: like I think frozen like processing cause it's just.

857
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 1: Especially you're still there.

858
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I think I Like I told I

859
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 2: told my husband and he was very exciting, and I

860
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: was just like because the pressure, you know, of wanting

861
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: to just do a good job and that whole thing,

862
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: and also just like dynamically like what does it mean

863
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: and what is this mean for my career and all

864
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: those other things. But then you had to call the

865
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: job and be like, well, I kept my job throughout

866
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 2: that whole.

867
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: Thing, But did you did you tell them remote?

868
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 2: What was I told them, Well, I was remote already,

869
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:13,879
Speaker 2: I worked remotely, and I just told them like, hey,

870
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: this is what's happening in my schedule might be a

871
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 2: little funky. I had an intern at the time I

872
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: was doing I did communications, so it's still very like,

873
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: you know, a home type thing and just like really

874
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: like setting expectations and that sort of thing, and they

875
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 2: knew and it was just so incredibly supported. I've just

876
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: been very blessed to be supportive people that I've worked

877
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: with or for.

878
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: But that's also in testaments to your integrity, right because

879
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have been that way if you didn't have

880
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: a lot of integrity in your way.

881
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess so, yeah, Yeah, So that was it

882
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 2: was just shocking, you know, I was really you don't

883
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,000
Speaker 2: know what it's going to be, you know, and this

884
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: is like this is like a funny little thing. But

885
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: my mom, like years ago, years ago, my mom was like,

886
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm going to write a letter to Tyler, Perry and Oprah. Okay,

887
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to write this letter. And I was like, Mom,

888
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: like you need to chill, like this is not how

889
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: this business works. And She's like, I'm going to write

890
00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: a letter and I'm going to send them this let

891
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: about you. And I was like, all right, I don't know,

892
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: go forth, go forth, like do what you need to do?

893
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: Did no?

894
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 2: She did.

895
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: They wrote the.

896
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: Letter though her my like my aunt wrote the letter,

897
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 2: but they never said it. And so like calling my

898
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: mom to tell her that was hilarious.

899
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: I love that. Ye, and that's met a part of

900
00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: manifestation right to some degree.

901
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that lady manifested. Give it to her,

902
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 2: She'll give it to God.

903
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna mail my Christmas list to her. So

904
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: take me to Straw now.

905
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. So Straw was like it was like I had

906
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: just come off of Beauty and Black, which is really

907
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 2: just just really invigorating experience.

908
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 1: And just like what are the hours?

909
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 2: By the way, long and short Oka mix back mixed

910
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: back like eight to twelve hours. Yeah, sometimes I think

911
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: it was it could be longer, but not not bad,

912
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: not for me. But and then Straw was like a

913
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: month afterwards.

914
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: I got a call.

915
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: From my agent was like, hey, you know, you're an

916
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: audition for this and I was like, okay, great, and

917
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: it was like it was it was something to do,

918
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 2: I would say, the audition. So I called my one

919
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: of my coaches and I was like, yo, like I

920
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 2: need to I need some help one like how to

921
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,359
Speaker 2: how to throw myself into this headspace like like high

922
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 2: energy and things like that, and so we kind of

923
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 2: worked on that and then did the audition, and then

924
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 2: and then again the same thing. Just got a call

925
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: but it was so fast. It was so fast. And

926
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 2: then I went to Atlanta and I thought I was

927
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: going to be there for a while. I was not.

928
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, we're doing this, Like okay, how

929
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: long are you there for? For?

930
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: How long did it take?

931
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: I was there for I think two weeks maybe not

932
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 2: very long at all, and a little bit yeah, a

933
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah, it's I'm trying to think what I

934
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 2: can't say.

935
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: It's gonna drop June six, yeah, yeah.

936
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's a story. It's a story about a

937
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: how do I say this in a more meaningful way,

938
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: It's really a story that's just reflective on how hard

939
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: Black women are hit on a day to day basis,

940
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 2: which is really difficult stuff, difficult situations in all avenues

941
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 2: of their lives lives, and and what happens when that

942
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 2: is magnified and really comes to a head. Yeah, it's

943
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 2: it's I would it's a bit sad in a way

944
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 2: because it's a real reality. But that that is what

945
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 2: it's about. It's about seeing how that how that can

946
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: function at its worst and its highest, and how that

947
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 2: functionality like affects black women. For me, like being a

948
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: black woman living in New York City, you know, it's

949
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: interesting like realizing that in a day that I could

950
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 2: have like five interactions that were just like trash because

951
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: I was because I am a black woman. So this,

952
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: this this film really just like shines like a really

953
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 2: good like light on that and really amplifies it in

954
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 2: an extreme way because it is film and cinema, but

955
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 2: a way that I think is really relevant and understandable

956
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: and and a relatable.

957
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: And and the in Taraji, she plays a single parent,

958
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 1: right and then everyone else are they single parents? In No,

959
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: you get to see everyone getting hit from all different You.

960
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 2: Get to see the results of her being hit like that.

961
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: You get to receive the results of what what the

962
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: constant like it's you know, just like imagine somebody just

963
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 2: being punched, punch punched, you know every.

964
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: Day of my life.

965
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: Guys, the ones with lotion, we don't want that dry ship.

966
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: Yeah all right, but no, but yeah, that's what it's.

967
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 2: It's her being like, you know, hit in all these

968
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: different in all these different areas of her life, all

969
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: at the same time. And what that what that can do,

970
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: like what that can do to a person, and where

971
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: that can lead us?

972
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: And this is a Netflix original right now, it's not

973
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,959
Speaker 1: is any relation to Tyler Perry.

974
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah it is Tyler Perry.

975
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: Sounds like Tayler Perry written all over it.

976
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: It's Tyler Perry.

977
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: Did you get to work with him up close? And

978
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: I did? I did. How was that experience? Oh?

979
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 2: It's so great?

980
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: Are you ever going to say anything bad about anybody?

981
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm joking. I'm joking, Ashley.

982
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: I you know, I I think I've been very blessed,

983
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: very Yeah, I think I've had very positive situations. I've

984
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 2: heard lots of things from people about lots of people

985
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: or whatever, but I don't know. I I think I've

986
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: been really blessed, Like I feel very protected. I feel

987
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: like I work when I need to be working. I

988
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 2: feel like I've been forced into states of rest when

989
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,279
Speaker 2: I need to rest. And I I've had really good experiences,

990
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: like I've I've looked up to Traji forever.

991
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's very strong, forever.

992
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 2: She's she's an incredible actress, like incredible.

993
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: And then you get to work with, you know, one

994
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: of the godfathers in the industry exactly.

995
00:43:56,440 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: And so I think he came from theater too, yes, yes,

996
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 2: right and so and I think like the two then

997
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: they they're so playful, you know, they're very found. I

998
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: found him to be very kind person. I think it

999
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 2: was really nice to be on that set because a

1000
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: lot of I think what you get as an actor,

1001
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: like obviously, like you're always trying to get to set right,

1002
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: And I think it's so funny because we're trying to

1003
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 2: get somewhere that we've never been, Like I'm just trying

1004
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: to get there. I don't know if I like it

1005
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 2: when I get there, but I'm trying to get there

1006
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: and I and I end up being on this film

1007
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 2: and being on this set with two people who, like

1008
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 2: I said, are very playful. But so it's really interesting

1009
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: to watch like dynamic black people do this work. But

1010
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: they are they're living in it, you know, they're living

1011
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: in it. It's today, it is. It's so easy to

1012
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: feel so precious about the work. And I understand that

1013
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,000
Speaker 2: because I have that, because there's so much anxiety about

1014
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: really wanting to give what you've got to give your best.

1015
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: But to watch her just be so seamless and to like,

1016
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,399
Speaker 2: like just I looked at her and I'm like, oh,

1017
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 2: she's a person, and you know, not that she's not

1018
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: a person, right, but I'm like, no, no, I think

1019
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 2: she's like a normally normal size whatever that happen.

1020
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: You know sometimes you're in this industry. You see people there.

1021
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's like normal size. But just to see like

1022
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: her like living her life, like doing her job and

1023
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,879
Speaker 2: then being freaking amazing. Like at one point, I swear

1024
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 2: we're shooting something and I was just like staring at

1025
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 2: her and I was like, girl, you gotta get back

1026
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,920
Speaker 2: in the scene in the moment because I just was

1027
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: like it's just so in awe of her ability and

1028
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: her capacity, and it was really like it. I just

1029
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 2: felt like I walked away feeling like I can't wait

1030
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: for the for the point in my career and in

1031
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 2: my life as an artist when I when I when

1032
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 2: I can harness that.

1033
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: I love that.

1034
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: It was really nice. Yeah.

1035
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 1: Have you seen the then result of straw it?

1036
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't. I don't know if what I

1037
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 2: saw is the end.

1038
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: But you do get a like sneak peek it I

1039
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 1: had a tiny peak. What are you excited?

1040
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm very exciting.

1041
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: Was is it weird watching yourself?

1042
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: I hate watching myself?

1043
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 1: Do you critique yourself?

1044
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: I try not to. It's so hard, you know because

1045
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: like you know, as you have to, like in some dereay,

1046
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: we naturally do because you do an audition. You gotta

1047
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 2: watch the tape, wash the tape. Okay, that's the takee Okay,

1048
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 2: we'll send that one. You know, but you watch it tape.

1049
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: You know what happened my hair, you know, like all

1050
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: these things. So it's hard not to do that. But

1051
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,440
Speaker 2: but maybe maybe a little bit. But I but I

1052
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 2: think in the end, I just in one sense success

1053
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 2: to me is like doing your best, and I did

1054
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 2: my best, So like I think I try to always

1055
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 2: like separate a little bit when I'm like, you know,

1056
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is is my best on

1057
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: that day, in that moment.

1058
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: So now that you see a lot of success also

1059
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: in Atlanta, do you feel like there's a part of

1060
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: you that's gonna move over there?

1061
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: No?

1062
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: No, no, she said, no, firm, firm, keeping your feet

1063
00:46:58,840 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: in La.

1064
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 2: I you know, I don't know. I like to think

1065
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,400
Speaker 2: of myself as a bit of a vagabond on the inside,

1066
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 2: so I like to I do like to move around.

1067
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 2: So every time I move somewhere, I don't really decorate

1068
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 2: because I think I'm.

1069
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 1: Leaving and your husband's with all of this.

1070
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're nice support, We're so together on this.

1071
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah we're the vagupond thing. Like I think we're two

1072
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 2: piece like in a pot on that. But no, I

1073
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 2: mean i'd love to I'd love to, you know, La

1074
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 2: is fine. I'd love to live somewhere else. But yeah,

1075
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 2: I'm very open. I'm very open, you know. I think

1076
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 2: I think that the pandemic also like showed me that that,

1077
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: like I could live anywhere for a period of time,

1078
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I live in South Carolina. There's

1079
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 2: just a strong choice. So my in laws lived there,

1080
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 2: my in law's lived there, and it was really nice

1081
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 2: to be with family during such a difficult time.

1082
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: But yeah, okay, all right, well everybody, you can keep

1083
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: up with Ashley? Where can I keep up with you?

1084
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 2: Go ahead? I'm like yeah, oh la, oh no, I'm

1085
00:47:57,360 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: just kidding. I'm I'm a little already only on Instagram?

1086
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: That is?

1087
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 2: That? Is it? So at Ashley versure with the v's.

1088
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 1: Sure that Ashley version no, no space, nothing, nothing, nothing else.

1089
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: And then tell us where we can watch Straw and

1090
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 1: all the updates on Straw.

1091
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: Yes, Straw on Netflix.

1092
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: It'd be great, It'll be great. It's a Tyler Perry production,

1093
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: it is, yes, And oh, by the way, last question,

1094
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: but how was his lot? Was it phenomenal?

1095
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 2: It's fire for real?

1096
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: I it is fire. I remember, it's huge. I was

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00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 2: on one side one night and I was like, hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna walk back and they're like, no, like

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00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: you're you're You're way way away from where you think

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Speaker 2: you are. It's huge.

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Speaker 1: And did you get to tour it?

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Speaker 2: I didn't tour, but I've been around a lot of it.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know you could tour that. You could

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Speaker 2: tour it though, you know, it's just pund My thoughts

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Speaker 2: were like happy to be here possibly, so I was like,

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Speaker 2: I need nothing with water maybe, but happy to be here. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's nice.

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Speaker 1: I can see I can see you being like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm just like, can I just have coffee

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Speaker 2: and eggs?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And they don't even have to be brown.

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Speaker 2: I'll take the white. I'll take a hard boiled. That's

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Speaker 2: what that was what I wanted.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I did okay well, staying true to eggs. Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time. Really appreciated your eggs.

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Speaker 1: They were really good.

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Speaker 2: It's too much.

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Speaker 1: I think it was fine. It was like perfectly fluffy,

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Speaker 1: like restaurant style. Thanks for tuning in, y'all. Peace out

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