WEBVTT - How did we all hear THAT Ciara rumor? (w/Panic World) 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.040 I'm Manny and this is Devin, and this is no 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:03.560 such thing. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.320 The show where we settle our dawn arguments and yours 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:10.239 by actually doing the research. On today's episode, how did 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:13.080 we all hear that Sierra rumor? 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:19.160 I No, there's no no such thing, no such thing, 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:28.480 no such thank touch thank no touch thank. 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:36.000 All Right, So today's episode is actually a collaboration with 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.360 our friends over at Panic World, so we would be 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:42.000 joined by Ryan and his producer Grant. It is about 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:47.280 middle school conspiracy theories and rumors. Uh, we're gonna be 0:00:47.280 --> 0:00:49.800 talking about a time long long ago, So there's gonna 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.279 be some language that is not up to date that 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:56.240 we're gonna be referencing. For example, throughout this episode, we're 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.720 gonna use the term hermathodite, which we're using at the 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:02.440 time to refer to intersects people, which, if you do 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.600 not know, are people who have sexual anatomy or reproductive 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.119 organs or chromosome patterns that do not align with what 0:01:11.160 --> 0:01:16.200 we assume to be typical definitions for male or female. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:19.880 We're also going to be talking about this idea of 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:24.200 people pretending to be a gender that they are not. Obviously, 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:28.199 this is very outdated language, and we know that Trench 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:31.080 people are not pretending to be something that they're not. 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.520 I would like to say that that's outdated, but as 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.240 we discuss in this episode, this is. 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:49.000 Current day phenomenon. So let's get into it, all. 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:53.080 Right, fellas, we are gathered here today to try and 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.400 get to the bottom of something that we've been trying 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:57.600 to get to the bottom of for a very long time. Now, 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.840 just some quick text for the listeners. No, where did 0:02:03.880 --> 0:02:04.640 you go to middle school? 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:05.760 Connecticut? 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:08.920 In Connecticut and New Jersey? 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:09.560 Okay? 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:14.800 I went to middle school in Ohio? How about you, Ryan, Massachusetts? 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:18.400 And despite the fact that we all went to different 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:22.000 middle schools or high schools in different states, I'm willing 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.280 to bet that we've all heard the same celebrity rumor. 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:27.600 And then, you know, we all went to these schools 0:02:27.639 --> 0:02:32.600 in the early two thousands and so what was the 0:02:32.600 --> 0:02:34.959 biggest celebrity rumor at your school? 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.280 Devin, I'm cheating a little bit because it's what the 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.200 episode is about, but it's not. 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:45.600 It's not a you know, we're talking to the listeners. 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:51.600 It was that Sierra, the R and B singer was born. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:55.359 At the time we were saying she was born hermapthadite. 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:56.639 Today we would say. 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.960 In yes, and she apparently was on Oprah where she 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:02.000 revealed this to the world. 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.680 Does that sound familiar to you, guys. 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.519 I've heard different versions of different celebrities with that thing. 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.440 Oh okay, because there was also one for Lady Gaga. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:11.919 Yes, oh yeah, yeah. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.239 We would have been high school or college. Yeah, but 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:15.239 it's come around a bunch. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:15.720 Yeah. 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:16.080 Yeah. 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.880 Basically in middle school, the biggest celebrity rumor was that 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:24.720 Sierra was what we were calling back then a hermaphrodite, 0:03:25.760 --> 0:03:32.079 or that she was trans And I've been personally fascinated 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.080 by the fact that no matter where you went to 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.520 middle school in the United States, you heard of this 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:40.960 rumor or participated in the spreading of it. And the 0:03:41.000 --> 0:03:44.040 reason why I'm fascinated is because it was so early 0:03:44.360 --> 0:03:49.440 in social media kind of trajectory, or before social media. 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.160 I think maybe I was on Zanga at the time, 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:55.680 but we weren't really talking about, you know, celebrity rumors, 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:59.880 and I really wanted to know where this rumor came 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:02.800 from from and how it was able to spread across 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:05.760 the country despite the fact that we weren't really online 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:09.920 in the sense that we were today. But I think 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.840 before we try to figure out where this rumor came from, 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.240 it's important to kind of contextualize what was happening when 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:18.880 the rumor started. 0:04:19.640 --> 0:04:20.880 So Sierra grew. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.160 Up in College Park, Atlanta. If you've ever listened to 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.760 hip hop in the early two thousands, you'll recognize that 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:30.480 neighborhood because it was yelled out in virtually every hip 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:30.920 hop song. 0:04:30.960 --> 0:04:35.640 And it's getting best to me of course. 0:04:35.680 --> 0:04:41.600 And in high school she created a girls singing group 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.600 called Hearsay with two of her friends. Uh they got 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:49.919 so popular that she got a writing deal with Jazzy Fay. 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:55.880 Together Jazzy Fans here wrote a few demos. One of 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:59.600 those demos is what would Become One two Step, which 0:04:59.640 --> 0:05:03.240 is the hit single from her debut album, Goodies in 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:10.640 two thousand and four, So Much, which featured Missy Elliott, 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:12.560 a frequent collaborator of Sierra. 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:14.800 I know you heard about a lot of greatam c 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.760 but they ain't got nothing, no men because. 0:05:17.480 --> 0:05:21.400 Of Thattua and someone who also had rumors swirling about 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:23.000 her sexuality at the time. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:23.680 Goodies. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:27.599 The album debuted at number three on Billboard's Top two hundred, 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.360 and it was around this time that she also became 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:36.000 a sex symbol. She released this single Goodies on the 0:05:36.160 --> 0:05:39.039 album Goodies, and I just want to play you guys 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.440 some of the lyrics I bet you want the Goodies 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:46.120 that you thought about it got you all hot and 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.039 bothered mad because I talk around it. If you're looking 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:53.400 for the goodies, keep on looking because they stay in 0:05:53.440 --> 0:06:01.360 the jars. Obviously, the song meaning is that, you know, 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:05.320 everyone around her, people in the music industry, are incredibly 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.680 thirsty for Sierra, and she's telling them that, you know, 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.880 even though I'm young, like I know what I'm doing, 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:16.240 it's not happening. Get over it. It's like common knowledge, 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.960 I guess in American society, where like people will sometimes 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:24.360 make up things about people who have rejected their advances, 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.880 and I just I do wonder if that had a 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.279 role to play in this rumor getting started. 0:06:29.400 --> 0:06:33.200 So we did an episode kind of about the like 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.320 the entertainment world rumor mill and like how it's evolved now, 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:39.560 like the Justin Baldoni stuff. And I have to assume that, 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.760 like the new version where they're waging war with like 0:06:42.800 --> 0:06:46.000 troll accounts and stuff, is just a digital version of 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:49.400 what was already happening. So like hearing this, which is 0:06:49.400 --> 0:06:51.400 the first time I've sort of heard this all put together, 0:06:52.040 --> 0:06:55.640 it wouldn't surprise me if she's writing what is effective, 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.120 like a shady track about like predatory man in the industry, 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:00.159 and all of a sudden a rumor appears it she 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:04.760 is intersector hermaphrodite that feels totally linked to me. 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.240 And as of right now, I have no evidence, but 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:11.680 I think it's interesting when like exactly what time this 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:12.440 rumor started coming? 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:16.080 Yeah, so and we looked at you know, went to 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:20.840 classic Google trends, typed in Sierra Man to see when 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:25.280 these rumors started. So there's basically nothing until December of 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:29.440 two thousand and four, and then it starts to go 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.600 up a little bit. January starts to go up a 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.240 little bit more, and then by February of two thousand 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.920 and five, it's when it hits its peak. 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.640 Was there any kind of award buzz around goodies? 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:47.920 She definitely was nominated for a bunch of the kind 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.080 of classic awards. I'm not sure if she won any. 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:54.040 I should look up computer because I'm wondering if like 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:57.360 the peak is because of award season buzz or like 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:01.040 I'm wondering, because when we've done sort of similar research, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:04.600 like there usually is like something that you can kind 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:06.560 of point to be like maybe that's what caused it. 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:08.000 That would be what my thought would be. 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:09.240 Yeah, it could be. 0:08:09.560 --> 0:08:11.880 So we looked into this, and in two thousand and five, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:15.000 Sharah was not up for any major awards, and the 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.840 next year, so two thousand and six, she was nominated 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:20.880 for and did end up winning one Grammy Award. So 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:23.240 she was at a party in February of two thousand 0:08:23.280 --> 0:08:26.040 and five, a Vibe magazine party, and this is the 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:29.040 quote that everyone sort of keeps going back to New 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.200 York Daily News. Ask her about it, as far as 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:32.280 I can tell, this the first time. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:33.960 YE ask her about it. Yeah, that's it. 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:34.320 Yeah. 0:08:34.320 --> 0:08:36.160 A lot of people ask her directly about this. This 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:40.080 is not like behind the scenes rumored. This is like, Sierra, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:42.800 are you a man? This is face to face though. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:44.720 And I guess we should mention that part of a 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.200 big part of the rumor we heard was that she 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.920 had actually addressed the rumors on the Oprah Show. There's 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:54.280 a bit there's a Mandela effect thing happening where all 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.080 the thoughts she had already addressed the rumors on Oprah, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:58.760 which never happened exactly. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:04.280 So Vibe ask her basically, what happens and Sierra's like, 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:06.400 you know, it's funny the rumors that I used to 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.040 be a man. And she said, the funny thing about 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:11.680 it is that people are saying I said this on Oprah. 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:13.400 I've never been on Oprah. It's gonna take me a 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.560 while to get on opraen right, Like I just started 0:09:15.559 --> 0:09:19.000 my career. Oprah's like a milestone. I'm not there yet. 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:22.120 So I looked into this. You know, you can't just 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:24.160 take Sierra's word for this. Has she ever been on 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:29.560 Oprah by this point, she had not, but she was 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:31.880 on Regis and Kelly. 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:33.560 It'll make a television debut. 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.800 Want to show with Sierra with goodies? 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:39.920 Sierra, you got the TV guys back in the day, 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.880 the air before Oprah's Voting Party special. So I'm like, 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.840 maybe people were seeing the ads for you know how 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.199 they would be like, all right, you. 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.440 Know, I actually just googled this because I was curious 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:54.880 if people were confusing it with another Oprah episode. And 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:57.760 she did do an interesting episode in two thousand and seven. 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:02.280 Well she did actually in two thousand four. You was 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:09.720 segment in August about trans children. Yeah, okay, none of 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.800 the kids' names were Sierra. I did go through and 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.439 to be like, all right, maybe is there some confusion here, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.480 But yeah, she did do it again in two thousand 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:20.720 and seven. I don't know that that. In two thousand 0:10:20.720 --> 0:10:22.640 and four they were calling them trans. They were saying 0:10:22.640 --> 0:10:24.160 like gender identity, yeah. 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:24.680 Issues. 0:10:24.760 --> 0:10:26.440 I'm sure that episode has aged great. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:31.319 I'm sure, yeah, everyone, and there's no reason to think 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.400 about it anymore. 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:34.880 She did a great job. So I feel like Oprah 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:37.800 is the classic. Like if there's a rumor, you say 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:40.280 that you heard it on Oprah. Growing up, there was 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:43.520 another rumor that Tommy Hill figure was on Oprah and 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:46.760 he told Oprah, I don't like black people wearing my clothes. 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:48.280 I remember that. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:50.280 I remember this my mom, Like. 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:51.520 I said, I was talking to my mom about this 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.120 episode and she was like, oh, yeah, I remember. I 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.280 literally stopped buying Tommy Hill Figure for like a year 0:10:57.360 --> 0:10:57.640 or two. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:58.520 There was a boycott. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:01.240 I remember, yeah, because we all heard that he was like, 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:02.920 I don't like black people wearing my clothes. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:04.080 And it just never happened. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:07.240 No, why did he was on the show at all. Okay, 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:11.400 I'm so fascinating because, like, clearly there is some sort 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:13.920 of way that these things are spreading, because I definitely 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.200 vividly remember up until just a second ago, I thought 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:20.560 that that happened. No, So like how because it wouldn't 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:23.560 have been the Internet, Like, I'm so fascinated. 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:26.960 How were we because it wasn't like we saw something online, 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:30.360 like hey, I saw on a Reddit thread, you know, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.480 Tommy Hill figure saying he doesn't like black. 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:34.320 And there's no there's no reports of him ever saying 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:36.160 that and in any kind of context. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:39.640 No, it would be crazy if he said it on right, Yeah, yeah, 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:43.720 pretty amazing to Oprah, Yeah that would take anyway. 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:47.040 The nineties were wild. But I don't know if that Yeah, 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:48.720 how how would that have happened? 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:56.000 So Snop's actually debunked this in February of two thousand 0:11:56.000 --> 0:12:00.640 and five. Sierra the Sierra Rumor their best as to 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.960 why people think this is happening. It is because there's 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.600 a random irishwoman named Sierra who had a blog about 0:12:07.600 --> 0:12:12.920 her transition, and they're saying, if you google Sierra at 0:12:12.960 --> 0:12:16.440 this time, this is one of the first things that 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:17.040 pops up. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:20.880 So people are saying maybe that's the case. Right. So 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:21.840 that's February. 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:27.079 But in March, still circulating, we got the Herald News 0:12:27.120 --> 0:12:28.080 in New Jersey paper. 0:12:28.679 --> 0:12:30.280 There's an eighteen year old Charles. 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:34.120 They're asking him, Charles' what's the craziest news story you 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:34.760 heard recently? 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:37.800 And he says that Sierra is a man. They printed this. 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:39.960 That's a good column. 0:12:40.000 --> 0:12:41.760 It's one it was like get to know your neighbors 0:12:41.800 --> 0:12:46.880 segments and that's Charles's. 0:12:45.960 --> 0:12:49.319 Fun you know, news story night. 0:12:49.920 --> 0:12:52.960 I actually tried to track down Charles. We found him 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.440 and I reached out sent him the photo and he 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:57.360 did not respond. 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:03.280 So we get our first sort of inkling here of 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:06.760 maybe where this is coming from. So in March of 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.000 two thousand and five, there's this chain letter that's going around. 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:14.000 Remember chain letters, Yeah, of course they're very important on email. 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:18.120 Yeah, on email. And it's a fake article from all 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:21.760 Hip Hop. And the gist of the article is that 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:25.280 Sierra goes on not Oprah but one O six in 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.720 Park and. 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.120 She says I am gay. 0:13:31.080 --> 0:13:31.640 And then. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.559 I'll read what it just says, because it's just crazy. 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.479 Sierra's coming out as a lesbian would have been difficult 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:42.000 on its own but also having to admit that she 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:45.640 is really a he on national television was caused for 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:49.959 celebration amongst the gay and lesbian community. No major pop 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:53.880 star singer has ever come out as a transvestite to viewers, 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.680 especifically after already releasing an album. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.480 So I'm gonna ignore like all of the terms that 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:03.280 they're using there because it's a mess. But it is 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.559 fascinating to me that that is written as like an 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:12.000 inspirational thing is basically what I like. That's someone made 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:16.800 this up or misunderstood this. I'm imagining that this was 0:14:16.800 --> 0:14:20.720 probably shared like within like a black gay email community. 0:14:20.840 --> 0:14:23.440 That would be my guess. Yeah, I got a treasure 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.800 trove that somebody sent me off, like old chain letters 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.080 that I've been like looking at over the last few months, 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:31.400 and it's really fascinating that like they are very similar 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.000 to what you would see on Facebook now that they 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.880 are written specifically for a group like either a list 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:39.080 serve or like people who know each other. So it's 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.680 interesting to me that like that rumor is being shared 0:14:41.760 --> 0:14:45.680 positively within some sort of in groups. 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:46.040 That's cost for celebration. 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.760 Yeah, Like it's not like they're not being mean a bad. 0:14:48.960 --> 0:14:51.760 I mean, they're completely confused on what's happening in every 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.120 possible way. But it is interesting that it's like inspirational 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:56.840 as a framing. 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:02.080 So then that's you know, beginning of March, sort of 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:04.440 mid March, Tierra goes I want in six in Park 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:07.040 and this is the first time we for real, yeah, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:07.840 for real, it's time. 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:09.400 So if there are any. 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.000 Rumors anything that's going on with's the era, which there 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:14.640 are on the internet and all of the message clear. 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:15.120 Air right now. 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.560 Let the people know what's going on. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:20.640 Any crazy anything, And you know, I gotta say, none 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.360 of them bother me, but I just do it just 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.760 to do it, because whatever, there's one thing about me 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:28.080 being a man or something like that before I was 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.320 something when I was born, I got a change, really 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:32.680 amaphrodite or something like that. 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:34.280 And they said that I went on Oprah and did it. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:36.080 And I'm like, okay, come on, now, you know if 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.240 I was on Oprah, like I mean, it takes a 0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:40.320 while before that happens with somebody going to Oprah, you 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:42.360 know what I mean, Like that's really big, so we 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.000 know that didn't happen. If you can find it, though, 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.360 I'll give you one hundred grand and find you around 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.040 the water. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.520 And do everything for it, if taking and play it 0:15:49.560 --> 0:15:49.840 for me. 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.000 Yeah, and then there's something else about me being a 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.320 lesbian or something like that. I mean, it's so sad, 0:15:57.320 --> 0:15:58.800 and I'm sitting right here in the dressing It's like, 0:15:58.840 --> 0:16:00.680 it's so funny to me. And want I feel about 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.760 in life is that the bigger and better things get 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.240 for you, the more people try to bring you down. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:05.680 And that's just the way I sens the true. 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.440 So I mean, that's not true. 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:08.160 I'm gonna say. 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:08.640 It's not true. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.000 I watched One of six and park religiously back then, yeah, 0:16:11.400 --> 0:16:14.280 and being like, damn all my friends lied to me. 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:15.800 Yea. 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:18.920 I remember watching it just being like, what the hell 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:19.640 was that all about? 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:21.920 So this follows her for a little, you know that 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.600 that wasn't the end of it. Of course. 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:28.040 July two thousand and five, Entertainment Weekly is doing a 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:31.760 write up and they kind of start the article talking about, Hey, 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.560 the singer, the story goes was born intersexual and stay 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:37.960 with us here recently out of herself as a lesbian, 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.680 her mathedite on Oprah, and it's you know, basically her 0:16:41.760 --> 0:16:44.880 giving the line of like, no that's not true. Then 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.720 a year later, so November of two thousand and six, 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:55.960 in a Slam magazine article about Kingdom come the not 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.640 Great jay Z album. Oh there's a review and out 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.400 of no where the writer goes, and trust me, writing 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.520 that last sentence hurt me just as much as when 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:07.800 I heard that Sierra was allegedly her math that I 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.960 thank god she isn't. This is you know, November two 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:13.000 thousand and six. 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.240 It was actually hard tracking this this writer down. I 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:19.440 finally did no response as well response. I think people 0:17:19.480 --> 0:17:20.600 just don't want to talk about it. 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:22.679 You know, we give him the opportunity to comment on 0:17:23.000 --> 0:17:28.520 what you said November and it's review. And then December 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.879 two thousand and six, AP is doing a profile of 0:17:31.920 --> 0:17:33.479 her and they're still talking about it. 0:17:33.560 --> 0:17:35.720 Associated Press, Yeah, that's. 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:38.480 The Associated Press. In December of two thousand and six. 0:17:38.760 --> 0:17:41.280 They say she just wants to have fun, she said, 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:44.320 and that includes ignoring wild rumors that began circulating when 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:46.880 she first made a name for herself. People were saying 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.800 that she was dating Missy Elliott, who rapped on Sierra's 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:50.760 number one. 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.000 Hitber That I remember rumors that like Missy Elliot was 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:54.840 grooming Sierra. 0:17:54.920 --> 0:17:55.800 Yes, I remember that. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.560 By two thousand and six, like interest for this was 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:03.360 pretty down and it didn't really pick up until twenty fifteen, 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.200 which was when rumors started going around that Sierra and 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.320 Future were expecting a kid, which makes sense why people 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:10.840 would be like. 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:12.440 Yes, sure. 0:18:13.160 --> 0:18:15.320 There was a moment I think in two thousand and 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:18.919 six or seven where she released a song called like 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:20.360 a Boy, so it. 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.520 Sounds I. 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:31.040 Could switch up the. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:34.160 Boat not a thing, and I think I remember being 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:36.280 I thought, I remember thinking, oh, she's kind of poking 0:18:36.359 --> 0:18:40.200 fun at but it's really about like privilege, I think. 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:41.080 I think. 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.600 So this comes up in one of these articles where 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.480 you know, they're making all these innuendos about how people 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:49.440 think she's a man, and that was it. 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:49.800 That was it. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.040 That's kind of a trajectory of is Sierra really a man? 0:18:54.320 --> 0:18:58.120 And this has come up with Lady Gaga. 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.600 Megan Fox, Megan Fox. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:02.760 It's like any sort of like sex symbol, yes, pop star, 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:04.320 this like comes up. 0:19:04.600 --> 0:19:08.480 Yeah, especially like there seems to be some sort of 0:19:08.520 --> 0:19:13.120 connection between like a sex symbol who starts to figure 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.479 out how to translate that into power and influence. Yes, 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:18.760 like Lady gog in particular, like the claims that she 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:23.520 was intersex or trans appeared like right as she is 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.120 starting to kind of do whatever she wants. And that's why, 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:30.600 like I tend to think there's some sort of like 0:19:31.119 --> 0:19:35.000 industry rumor mill yeah, that that comes out to like 0:19:35.080 --> 0:19:37.000 knock them down a peg when they start to like 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:39.880 break off, And that would sort of make sense here too, 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:43.280 Like she's blowing up and now she's like writing songs 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.680 about how like you know, she's gonna do her own 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.159 thing or whatever, and she's having a successful album and 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:50.119 then those rumors appear like that. That doesn't seem like 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:50.960 an accident. 0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:52.399 To me, And it makes sense that they go to 0:19:52.480 --> 0:19:55.560 the you know, the intersex or trans thing, right, because 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:58.919 it's always like, oh, you were really into this person 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.160 and now like something thing that like you know, something's 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:04.520 happening that you didn't know what's happening. You've been fooled, 0:20:04.600 --> 0:20:07.880 you've been tricked. So like goes at this like insecurity 0:20:07.920 --> 0:20:10.240