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Speaker 1: M Hey, everybody, I'm Robert Evans. This is Behind the Bastards,

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Speaker 1: the podcast where we tell you everything you don't know

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Speaker 1: about the very worst people in all of history. And today,

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Speaker 1: as a guest on my show, I have one of

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Speaker 1: the best people in comedy history, Daniel O'Brien, my once

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Speaker 1: and perhaps future boss guy who I was the intern

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Speaker 1: for and uh mentor all those things. Daniel. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: a that's quite an intro. Thank you for for all

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Speaker 1: of that. I will uh just so there are no

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Speaker 1: dangling cliffhangers or anything like that once in future. I

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Speaker 1: don't think I'm never gonna be a boss again for

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Speaker 1: the rest of my life. Having been a boss and

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Speaker 1: having now like not be a boss anymore, it's better

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Speaker 1: this way. It's way better not being a boss. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty great. I mean, I'm I'm I'm talking about more.

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Speaker 1: When the Civil War gets sparked off and you wind

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Speaker 1: up leading a leading a crude militia in Hell's kitchen,

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Speaker 1: uh to fight for the liberation of the East coast

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Speaker 1: from the tyrannical Midwest, that's a fair I think. Whenever

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Speaker 1: somewhere in middle management feels right. Well, Dan, speaking of

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Speaker 1: middle management, that's not what we're talking about today. But

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Speaker 1: we are talking about a really famous child molester. I

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Speaker 1: knew I was going to have my friend and uh

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Speaker 1: and former colleague, expert on many different presidents, author of

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Speaker 1: the book How to Fight Presidents, so many exciting people

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Speaker 1: we could have talked about, and I picked Jeffrey Epstein, Okay,

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Speaker 1: soon to be president, soon to be president, very closely

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Speaker 1: are you? You're ready? You're ready for this, Dan, I'm ready.

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Speaker 1: I got a slight heads up on who the top,

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Speaker 1: names that I knew very little about, just enough to

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Speaker 1: know that they were bad, and UH deliberately shows not

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Speaker 1: to do any research on it so I could be

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Speaker 1: your dumbest listeners will have. That is what I what

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Speaker 1: I want from my guests is for them to be

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Speaker 1: guy either other than, like you know, you hear the

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Speaker 1: odd story here and there about him. You know he's

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Speaker 1: let's let's strap in and and tell this tale. On

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Speaker 1: December four, two sixteen, Edgar Madison Welch, a year old

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Speaker 1: man from Madison, North Carolina, walked into Washington, d C's

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Speaker 1: a poorly conceived scheme too. In his own words, self

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Speaker 1: investigate the Pizza Gate conspiracy theory. That conspiracy theory, which

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Speaker 1: had its origins in the two thus sixteen election, states

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Speaker 1: slave ring. Comment Ping Pong was believed to be a

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Speaker 1: There's a general sense among many in the far right

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Speaker 1: They are wrong about that, but they aren't a hundred

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Speaker 1: And today we're going to talk about the man who's

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Speaker 1: about Jeff Epstein. So okay, that is that's that's a

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's bound to Happencember four? Good day.

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Speaker 1: What else happened out December four? Is that are up question? Yes? You,

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Speaker 1: before they get there? Oh? Philanthropist that's a broadly good word, right,

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Speaker 1: if you didn't hear the interview, is that really? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: so uh. In his early twenties, Epstein got a job

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Speaker 1: Epstein's Crimes Republic Knowledge gave glowing accounts of his mysterious backstory.

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Speaker 1: Magazine in two thousand two. It's title, The International money

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Speaker 1: Here's how it described his transition from high school teacher

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Speaker 1: said to Epstein point blank, what are you doing teaching

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Speaker 1: got certainly you're guilty of something with money, Get out

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Speaker 1: That Vanity Fair article was titled the Talented Mr. Epstein.

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Speaker 1: The introduction to the New York Magazine article was even

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Speaker 1: of Nobel Prize winning scientists, CEO is like Leslie Wexler,

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Speaker 1: my head right now. I was like, we'll give me

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Speaker 1: a five pterograph essay. Yeah, crimes. And if if this

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Speaker 1: was he was just a guy who became a billionaire

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Speaker 1: because he did some insider training and ran a Ponzi

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Speaker 1: scheme and then uh lied about how he became a billionaire,

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't be interesting. Um. But the fact of the

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Speaker 1: matter is that Epstein there was something else going on

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Speaker 1: in this entire period, um that maybe are we going

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Speaker 1: to get into this philanthropy now or what? Yeah, we're

436
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Speaker 1: talking philanthropy. So we're gonna talk about Jeffrey Epstein's sexual crimes,

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Speaker 1: uh and how they may be tied to the gigantic

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Speaker 1: and possibly inexhaustible fortune that he still maintains to this day.

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Speaker 1: But first is an ad pivot dance. Oh yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Some of those some of those tasty, tasty ads which

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Speaker 1: I can promise all our listeners are are not Ponzi schemes,

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Speaker 1: although I don't know what a Ponzi scheme is. U. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they could be. That feels like a crazy thing to

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Speaker 1: promise your listeners. You're right, uh, yep. Like I believe

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Speaker 1: that you spent two weeks reading International Money, Man of

446
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: Mystery and uh doing lots of research for this episode.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that you thoroughly vetted like a belt

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00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: company that's gonna advertise on the podcast. So that's not

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Speaker 1: attactive belt companies, Daniel. No, I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what a Ponzi scheme is. That's all I can say.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, this this ad pivot has gone off the rails.

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Speaker 1: Stand Yeah, products we're back. We still don't know what

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Speaker 1: a Ponzi scheme is or what a belt is because

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Speaker 1: I have worn nothing but sweatpants for the last six months.

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Speaker 1: Uh that's true. Yeah, Sophie's Sophie shaking her head because

456
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: she has not seen me in another pair of pants.

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Speaker 1: Every year or so, I find a pair of sweatpants

458
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Speaker 1: that looks just enough like real pants that I feel

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Speaker 1: like I can get away with wearing them every day,

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Speaker 1: and then I do. They don't. I know, everyone knows

461
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: I'm wearing pajamas, but yeah, I don't think I've seen

462
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Speaker 1: you in sweatpants. I've seen you in pajama pants, and

463
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Speaker 1: I've seen like different weird pants. You. You've got a

464
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Speaker 1: bunch of weird pants. I do that that that I

465
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Speaker 1: find alienating, that eccentric pants. I've had a number of those. Yeah, well,

466
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: we all go through stages in our lives. Nope, you

467
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: had that whole sleeveless shirt period. Yeah, it was hot.

468
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Speaker 1: It did give me the courage to to to go

469
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Speaker 1: sons out, guns out, So I thank you for that. Dan.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about horrible sex crimes. Jeff Epstein's sex crimes

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Speaker 1: were not public knowledge until two five, but he spent

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Speaker 1: the entirety of the yearly two thousands, and probably the

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Speaker 1: nineteen nineties as well, committing them, maybe even further back.

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Speaker 1: We don't really know how far back crimes go, but

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Speaker 1: I think now is a prudent time to get into

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Speaker 1: some detail about what exactly jeff Epstein was up to.

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Speaker 1: The Miami Herald, which published a massive investigation at Epstein

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Speaker 1: just this year, describes his activities as a sort of

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Speaker 1: sexual pyramid scheme. And I do know what a pyramid

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Speaker 1: scheme is, Okay? Is that not a Ponzi scheme? I

481
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Speaker 1: don't think so, Dan, But I don't know. I did.

482
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Speaker 1: I didn't do that research. I know it's I know

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00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 1: it's it's shady. Now. Epstein had a team of helpers,

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Speaker 1: primarily in Palm Springs, but all around the world, everywhere

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Speaker 1: he had residences, which included New York City and New Mexico. Uh.

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Speaker 1: These helpers would find young women that they could bring

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Speaker 1: back to one of Jeffrey's various mansions, and then, while

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Speaker 1: here's a helpful summary of the scheme by the Washington

489
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Speaker 1: Post quote, Epstein would the help from several female assistants

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Speaker 1: would recruit underage females to travel to his home in

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach to engage in lewd conduct in exchange for money.

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Speaker 1: Some went there as many as a hundred times or more.

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Speaker 1: Some of the women's conduct was limited to performing a

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Speaker 1: toplesser nude massage, while Mr Epstein masturbated himself. For other

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Speaker 1: women that escalated to full sexual intercourse. Now that's a decent,

496
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Speaker 1: high level overview, but I want to correct one thing,

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Speaker 1: which is that most of these people were not women.

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Speaker 1: They were girls. The majority of them were under eighteen

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Speaker 1: at least that's what it seems. We don't have, you know,

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Speaker 1: exact evidence, but most of the people that the police

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Speaker 1: and the FBI later talked to were like between twelve

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Speaker 1: and sixteen when he started. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So I

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Speaker 1: do think it's important that we bring in some of

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Speaker 1: the human stories of the individual young girls who got

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Speaker 1: caught up in this mess. The story of Virginia Roberts

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Speaker 1: is a good case study. Like many of the literal

507
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Speaker 1: children that Jeffrey Epstein targeted, she had a hard childhood.

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Speaker 1: At age eleven, she had been molested by a family friend.

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Speaker 1: By age twelve, she was by her own recollection, smoking

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Speaker 1: weed and skipping school. By age fourteen, she was living

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Speaker 1: on the street. Her family was ship and she had

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Speaker 1: very little support. She wound up in the clutches of

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Speaker 1: a sixty five year old sex trafficker named Ron Eppinger.

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Speaker 1: She was abused and pimped out for months until Eppinger

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Speaker 1: was indicted in two thousand. Virginia traveled back to West

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach reconnected with her father, who worked as a

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Speaker 1: maintenance man at Donald Trump's Mara Lago resort. He got

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Speaker 1: her a job as a locker room attendant at the spot.

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Speaker 1: That very summer, sixteen year old Virginia Roberts met Gilsain Maxwell,

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Speaker 1: a British socialite and heiress to one of Britain's great fortunes.

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Speaker 1: Gilsain happened to be a longtime friend of Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 1: Hilsain offered Roberts the opportunity of a lifetime get paid

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Speaker 1: to learn to become a massage therapist at the home

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Speaker 1: of a wealthy billionaire, Jeffrey Epstein. That Vanity Fair article

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Speaker 1: that about Epstein, written the same year all of this happened,

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Speaker 1: but way before his sexual crimes were public knowledge, described

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Speaker 1: the relationship between Epstein and Gilsain Maxwell this way quote.

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Speaker 1: Epstein is known about town as a man who loves women,

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Speaker 1: lots of them, mostly young model types, have been heard

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Speaker 1: saying they are full of gratitude to Epstein for flying

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Speaker 1: them around, and he is a familiar face to many

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Speaker 1: of the victorious Secret girls. One young woman recalls being

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Speaker 1: summoned by Gilsain Maxwell to a concert at Epstein's townhouse,

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Speaker 1: where the women seemed to outnumber them in by far.

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Speaker 1: These were not women you'd see at Upper east Side dinners,

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Speaker 1: the woman recalls, many seemed foreign and dressed a little bizarrely.

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Speaker 1: The same guest also attended a cocktail party thrown by

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Speaker 1: Maxwell that Prince Andrew attended, which was filled, she says,

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Speaker 1: with young Russian models. Some of the guests were horrified.

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Speaker 1: The women says, so that's what people knew before the

541
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Speaker 1: sex crimes were common knowledge. Jeff Epstein likes really young girls.

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Speaker 1: There's always a out of young women at his parties. Um,

543
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: now's a certain kind of money or status or whatever

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00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,160
Speaker 1: it is that like people can be that public about. Yeah,

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00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: he's known for liking women, a lot of them young.

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Speaker 1: The fact that he is fine with that a with

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Speaker 1: that reputation existing and be the people who are saying

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Speaker 1: it fine with saying it, just like broadcasting this this

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Speaker 1: this common supert Like I don't even understand people. Is

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00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: that it I don't understand rich people aren't like I

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00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,239
Speaker 1: would not like to have a reputation like even like

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00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: if they're like the young part out of it, you

553
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: were like, oh, Dan, I know, here's what he's known

554
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: for love and women like now, I'd rather not be known.

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00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: I a much of like Dan Glasses runs a lot.

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00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: Glasses and runs a lot you don't want to be

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00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: known for. Like every time I go over to his house,

558
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different strange women in weird outfits

559
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: hanging around, right enough enough of a reputation that it's

560
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: the first thing people think of about you. Is it

561
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: is bad to me, but everyone there is fine with it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And that's part of why this is

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Speaker 1: like a bit of a leap of a conclusion on

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Speaker 1: my apartment. This is part of why I suspect all

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Speaker 1: of this stuff. Even though every everything we have details

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Speaker 1: on of his sex crimes dates back to the early

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Speaker 1: two thousand's, I suspect it goes back to the nineties

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00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: and probably the eighties, because that's everyone who talked to

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Speaker 1: him and those periods of time or talked about him

570
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he really likes his young ladies hanging around,

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00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: which is like, okay, so this has been going on

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00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, and we're this is the

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Speaker 1: timeline on. This is a little wonky. So we're switching

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Speaker 1: around a little bit, but we're building to something weird here.

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00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: So cool now. Virginia Roberts, again sixteen at that time,

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00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: started off giving Epstein massages, and those massages inevitably progressed

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Speaker 1: to blow jobs and other sexual stuff that we're not

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Speaker 1: going to cover into tail he raped her because the

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00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: age of consent in Florida is eighteen. So any sex

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Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein had with Virginia Roberts was by definition rape.

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Speaker 1: I just want to be very clear about that. Epstein's

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Speaker 1: pattern was remarkably consistent among the dozens and dozens of

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Speaker 1: girls he abused. According to the Miami Herald quote, most

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Speaker 1: of the girls said they arrived by car or taxi

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Speaker 1: and entered the side door, where they were led into

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Speaker 1: a kitchen by a female staff assistant named Sarah Kellen.

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Speaker 1: The report said, a chef might prepare them a meal

588
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: or offer them serial. The girls, most from local schools,

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Speaker 1: would then ascend a staircase off of the kitchen and

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Speaker 1: up to a master bedroom and bath. They were met

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Speaker 1: by Epstein. Clad in a towel. He would select a

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Speaker 1: lotion from an array lined up on a table, then

593
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: life faced down on a massage table and struck the

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Speaker 1: girl to strip partially or fully and direct them to

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Speaker 1: massages feet and backside. Then he would turn over and

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Speaker 1: have the massages chest, often instructing them to pinch his

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00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: nipples while he masturbated. According to the police report, again,

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Speaker 1: the youngest girls brought in on this were like twelve,

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Speaker 1: So Jesus yeah Christ yeah. Photos of the young girls

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Speaker 1: were allegedly taken and displayed around Epstein's home. At least

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Speaker 1: one victim accused him of penetrating her with his penis

602
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: after she explicitly said no. He apologized afterwards and gave

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Speaker 1: her a thousand dollars. So two hundred dollars if he

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00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 1: just masturbated him, if he like, not just statutorily raped you,

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00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: but other type raped you, raped you, he'd give you

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Speaker 1: a thousand dollars. That's that that's Epstein's price sheet. Like

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Speaker 1: many of his victims. After her first encounter with Epstein,

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00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: Virginia was asked to help in essentially feeding more young

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Speaker 1: girls into Epstein's well oiled rape machine. Virginia believes she

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00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: eventually became one of his top recruiters. Here's what she

611
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: said later in a court affidavit quote. Epstein and Maxwell

612
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: also got girls for Epstein's friends and acquaintances. Epstein specifically

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Speaker 1: told me that the reason for him doing this was

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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: so that they would owe him. They would be in

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Speaker 1: his pocket and he would have something on them. I

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Speaker 1: understood him to mean that when someone was in his pocket,

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Speaker 1: they owed him favors. He Epstein would tell the girls, hey,

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Speaker 1: I will give you a modeling contract if you go

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Speaker 1: have sex with this man. So you see what we're

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00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 1: building two here a little bit. Yeah, I'm starting to

621
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Speaker 1: put the pieces together. I know a lot of my

622
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: role on as a guest on your show is to

623
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: is to ask questions and jump in with with jokes,

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00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: not not really loving the setups. Not like in the

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00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: raw materials. I'm getting to spin into comedy. Gold Bro. Yeah,

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00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's more like it's more like I've given

627
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: you comedy copper, and I we can keep the rust

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Speaker 1: off of it. When Virginia Roberts turned nineteen, she was

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Speaker 1: officially too old for Jeffrey Epstein. She asked him to

630
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: fly her to Thailand so that she could take massage

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Speaker 1: training classes and you know, move on with her life now.

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Speaker 1: A man who was actually as smart as Epstein likes

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Speaker 1: to think he is would probably have just given her

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Speaker 1: some of his unlimited money to set this woman with

635
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Speaker 1: incriminating information about him up in a comfortable new life.

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Speaker 1: But he only agreed to pay for her to Thailand

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Speaker 1: if she'd agreed to pick up a teenage tie girl

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Speaker 1: that he'd basically arranged to buy an import into the

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00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: United States. Um. Yeah, Roberts did not do this. She

640
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: apparently met a guy while she was in Thailand. They

641
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 1: fell in love and ran away to Australia together. She

642
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: kept the paperwork that Epstein had given her, though, including

643
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: instructions for how to bring this literal child into the

644
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: United States so he could pass her around to his

645
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: rich friends, which is again some of the mountain of

646
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: evidence that was collected by the prosecutors when this finally

647
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: got investigated. Now, It's impossible again for us to know

648
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,240
Speaker 1: how much of this was going on in the late

649
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: eighties and the nineteen nineties during Epstein's rise to power

650
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: and prominence. But if you assume it goes back a

651
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: long way, well, a lot of awful things Vanity Fair

652
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: found that we're just sort of baffling at the time,

653
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: make an awful lot of sense. Now. Jeffrey Epstein was

654
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: pimping out children to their rich and powerful. If he

655
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: didn't directly profit from that by charging them, it got

656
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: him favors and access that were crucial to the building

657
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: of his vast fortune. Many of the lines from that

658
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: Vanity Fair article and other articles written about Epstein in

659
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: the early two thousand's sound down rite sinister with the

660
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: knowledge that when they were written, he was actively importing

661
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: teenagers from foreign countries and recruiting disadvantaged teenagers here in America,

662
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: raping them himself, and then lending them out to his wealthy,

663
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: powerful friends. Quote from the Fanity Fair article. Some of

664
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: the business men who dined with him at his home.

665
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: They include newspaper publisher Mort Zuckerman, banker Lewis Ranieri, Revlon

666
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: chairman Ronald Perlman, real estate tycoon Leon Black, former Microsoft

667
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: executive Nathan Meyer, old Tom Pritzker of Hyatt Hotels, and

668
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: real estate personality Donald Trump sometimes seem not president the president.

669
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 1: Weird sex stuff that's probably illegal. That guy who just

670
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: sucked a flag, And I hate to say this, but

671
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I don't think that flag was eighteen Dan damn it. Yeah.

672
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: I wish he'd done it to a statue because then

673
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 1: we could then we could have had a good statutory

674
00:34:52,400 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 1: rate joke. Yeah, but just another tragedy of this. It's

675
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I took the wind out of your sales

676
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: if you were ramping up to something. Can I ask

677
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 1: a question now? No, No, it's it's it's basically people

678
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 1: back then. Uh, I know, it's it's I'm trying not

679
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: to get too conspiracy theory here because we just don't

680
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: know that much that's solid before the early two thousand's.

681
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 1: But we do know that for decades before it was

682
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: public knowledge that he was a child rape rapist, everyone

683
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 1: in the finance industry was baffled by how Jeffrey Epstein

684
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: got his money. Um, there's yeah, here's a quote from

685
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: New York Magazine. Quote. My belief is that Jeff maintains

686
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: some sort of money management firm that you won't get

687
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: a straight answer from him, says what one well known investor.

688
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: He once told me he had three people working for him,

689
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: and I've also heard that he manages Rockefeller money, but

690
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: one never knows. It's like looking at the Wizard of Oz.

691
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: There may be less there than meets the eye, or

692
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: a giant child rate machine, which I think is what

693
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: was actually there. I think I can take comfort and

694
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: the fact that no one will ever about me say

695
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 1: we didn't know where he got his money from or

696
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: what he spent it on, because it was like in

697
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: two thousands nine, I could tell he got a bonus

698
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: at work because he bought an iPad and that's it,

699
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: and then he paid his bills and groceries. Everyone can

700
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: see where all of my money went. In the tape

701
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: covered Toyota prius uh, I drive to Hollywood to record

702
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: this show kind of quickly. I don't know if there

703
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: if there's been a study on this, or if you

704
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: have any kind of fringe theory the relationship between being

705
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: rich and powerful and having disgusting sexual tastes is that

706
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: can you even like guess any kind of connection for them.

707
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say, oh, BILLI eaters do

708
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: this because like it seems hard for me to buy

709
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: that maybe Bill Gates is getting on a plane and

710
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: trying to have sex with a fourteen year old child.

711
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: But if there's enough of them that Epstein knows that

712
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: there is a business in specifically connecting rich people with children,

713
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: I don't know why does that market exist? You know,

714
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 1: what is the relationship therein? Yeah? I mean I think

715
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: for a guy like Epstein, it's simple enough. I think

716
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: he's he's a predator, and I think, like whether or

717
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 1: not he get rich, he would have preyed on people.

718
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: But I think maybe for maybe one reason why so

719
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: many really rich people uh wind up in doing this

720
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: is because like and I think you could see it's

721
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: starting almost innocuously where just or not innocuously, but without

722
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: any sort of predatory behavior on their behalf, just because

723
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:37,240
Speaker 1: money and power are so like valuable in our society.

724
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: If someone has the ability to get you roles in Hollywood,

725
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:41,879
Speaker 1: or someone has the ability to get you a job

726
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: that can set you up for life, then maybe you'll

727
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: sleep with that person and like not even sort of

728
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: question it. So they get used to that sort of thing,

729
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: and it kind of spirals out from there, like, Oh,

730
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: I just get whatever I want because I have all

731
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: this money, And that goes from like what I want

732
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: is having sex with these twenty year old models to

733
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: like they get younger and younger and younger, and you

734
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,800
Speaker 1: just stop, like taking account of the ages and stuff

735
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: you assume you're above. Like I don't know, um, I

736
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: could see it. It's just so confusing to me as

737
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 1: someone who grew up lower middle class and has since

738
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,839
Speaker 1: gotten more money and the end, like I still don't

739
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: even fly first class. That even feels like an extravagance

740
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: to me, like the things that I would consider like, oh, yeah,

741
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: I have this amount of money, so I deserve like

742
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: a nice meal at a nice restaurant every once in

743
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 1: a while. I can't imagine. By some strange sis to fate,

744
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: we decide comedy is the most important thing in the world,

745
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 1: and then I become a billionaire ten years from now,

746
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: is a switch going to flip in my brain that like,

747
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: now that I have a billion dollars, you know, I've

748
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 1: always wanted to try, like, like, how is it that

749
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: so many billionaires want to have want to get on

750
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: a plane and have sex with children with their fucking

751
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 1: psychopath predator friend Jeffrey. Well, I'll say this, and I

752
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: didn't prepare the information for this podcast, but it's something

753
00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: I've been researching for another project. There is some sign

754
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 1: entific evidence on how both wealth and power affect the brain,

755
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: and it's been described as similar to a head injury.

756
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: Um So, one of the things that happens when you

757
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: have an elevated position of wealth and power, uh, is

758
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 1: that you become separated from the consequences of your actions,

759
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: which leads to an increase in impulsive behavior. And again,

760
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: like that increase and impulsive behavior has been compared by

761
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: the scientists doing the neurological research to some of the

762
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: things that happen when you have a head injury. Um so,

763
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: that's could Probably part of it is that like you,

764
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: just like like you and I have gotten lucky enough

765
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: that we've gotten like book deals and stuff and jobs

766
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: that paid us better than we expected to be paid,

767
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: but we still didn't like fly first class because you

768
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: look at that and it's like, well, that's I could

769
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: buy a new laptop, and I want that more than

770
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 1: I want to be more comfortable for seven hours or whatever.

771
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 1: Someone who has billions of dollars, then money is not

772
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: a thing, and so like that, it just sort of

773
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:59,800
Speaker 1: like I think it just warps your perspective on everything

774
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: over a time, as does power, and so like you

775
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:05,240
Speaker 1: don't like, I'm gonna guess a lot of these people.

776
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: This is one of the things where like one of

777
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 1: the many things where like the Q and on people

778
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: and the Peto gate people get it wrong. Is they

779
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: assume all these people want to funck literal children. I

780
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: don't think that's it. And from what I've heard, age

781
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: never came up with the people that like the kid,

782
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: the young women that like, and the girls that Jeffrey

783
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: was basically handing out to his friends. They weren't even

784
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: checking on the age. They weren't saying I want an

785
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: underage girl. He was just finding girls he found attractive

786
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: and handing them off to his rich friends, and nobody

787
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: questioned what age they were because they were usually on

788
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: his plane or on his island in international water, So

789
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: why would they ask, Like, I think that's what it

790
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: is more than anything, is this like knowledge that you'll

791
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: never be accountable for your actions whatever they are. And

792
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: also because you're so rich, and powerful, Like nobody asks you,

793
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: they just bring you things, right, Like that's kind of

794
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 1: how it is. It's like at the Oscars you get

795
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,439
Speaker 1: a box of fucking iPads or whatever that you don't

796
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: even give a it about because it's like, well, it's

797
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: thirty thou dollars with the free stuff, because that's what

798
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: everyone gets at the Oscars. But like we're all rich,

799
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: nobody cares like, yeah, it's it's it's a different world,

800
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: and it's a world where it's easy to accidentally or

801
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: maybe not accidentally. Maybe a lot of these people were like, hey, Jeffrey,

802
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 1: do you have any twelve year olds? I don't know, Um,

803
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess was probably a mix of the two,

804
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,280
Speaker 1: depending on who you're talking about. So hopefully Chris Tucker

805
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: and they weren't all children. So even if Chris Tucker

806
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: had sex on Epstein's creepy plain, maybe it was with

807
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: an adult trying to give Chris Tucker the benefit of

808
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: the uh the doubt here, I am too, just because

809
00:41:37,239 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: I don't Yeah, I've heard nothing bad about him, Yeah, exactly,

810
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 1: And that was a charity, So maybe that one was

811
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: one where he didn't do anything shady. But we will

812
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,919
Speaker 1: talk about that. It could have been a case where

813
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: like he got he got there and did charity. Yeah,

814
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: it was like Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey. Why are you

815
00:41:52,960 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: guys so disappointed? We were here for charity? Was great? Oh,

816
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,959
Speaker 1: speaking of Champagne, Daniel Lobrien, it's time for an ad

817
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: break and maybe that ad will be for Champagne. And

818
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: I don't know about it. I bet it's sucking Mario

819
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: Lopez talking to you about weird stuff. Mario Lopez with

820
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 1: his dead eyes? Can we say that, Sophie, she's saying,

821
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: we can't talk about Mario Lopez's dead eyes. Mario Lopez

822
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: is lively, lust filled heart add We're back and we're

823
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,479
Speaker 1: talking about how De Rito's hasn't wised up yet. Yeah,

824
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: I can't understand it. I mean, I just just do it. Deritos,

825
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: What the fuck? They're rich in? Wealth warps your perceptions?

826
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: How out of touch with with the real world? The

827
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 1: mighty are you know, mighty like Dorito's. But back before

828
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: he got rich, John Dorito probably would have recognized what

829
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: an opportunity this podcast is. Oh my god, back when

830
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: we used to call him Johnny Johnny d Johnny from

831
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: up the street for whatever. He just show up at

832
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: punk shows with a homemade bag of Doritos and hand

833
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: them out. I remember seeing him at Chateau Marmont and

834
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: I was like Johnny D from up the street, and

835
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: he was like, it's john Now. I was like, holy shit, Yeah,

836
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: that's when the time's changed. Now he won't even give

837
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: this humble podcast a couple small midsize sedan's worth of

838
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 1: of advertising dollars. Heartbreaking fools. Okay, so I do want

839
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: to read one other quote from one of one of

840
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein's famous friends, from that New York Magazine article

841
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: back before anyone knew he was a child molester, or

842
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: at least back before the public knew he was a

843
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: child molest quote. If you talk to Donald Trump, a

844
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 1: different Epstein emerges. I've known jeff for fifteen years. Terrific guy,

845
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,800
Speaker 1: Trump booms from a speaker phone. He's a lot of

846
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: fun to be with. It is even said that he

847
00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many

848
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: of them are on the younger side, No doubt about it.

849
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: Jeffrey enjoys his social life. The president the president of

850
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: a whole last country too, Yeah, of a whole last

851
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: country talking at a time when we know for a

852
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 1: fact Jeff Epstein was essentially pimping out teenagers. Yeah and

853
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: uh and forgive me again, when when was that interview too? Okay?

854
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: So even that is is is strange to me that

855
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 1: that anyone listening to him when he's like rumor has it, uh,

856
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: he likes women as much as I do, and sell

857
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: of them young, that no one jumps into be like,

858
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you mean some of them young?

859
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: Why instead of me just passively writing down what you're

860
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 1: saying and be like he boomed from a spigger phone,

861
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: just like a single follow up question of like how young? Yeahy.

862
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 1: Given our society's focus for like men on being like

863
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 1: smooth and good with them, and I could see something

864
00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: like oh, yeah, Jeff, he loves the ladies, but then

865
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: like saying not just he loves the ladies, but and

866
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: they're really young. Yeah. Just googling like two thousand two

867
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 1: movies to see what we were talking about or thinking

868
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: about at the time, to see if there was any

869
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,399
Speaker 1: like teachable moments like oh, it's two blank movie came

870
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 1: out and we all learned that it's bad for old

871
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 1: men to creep on young women. That was the message

872
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 1: of the first Spider Man movie, Right, yeah, yeah, More

873
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: or less, Donald Trump is not the only president of

874
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: the United States who spent a lot of time with

875
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein. Bill Clinton spent at least as much time

876
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: and logged even more flights with Epstein on his private plane,

877
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: which some have dubbed the Lowly to express Epstein's hold

878
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: on googling to find out if there's another low leader

879
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: who's famous, then maybe it was like Nope, just the one,

880
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,959
Speaker 1: just one famous, just the one famous. It's not based

881
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: on anything, just a fun nickname. Now. Epstein's pilots log

882
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: books are public domain now thanks to some of the

883
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 1: many many civil lawsuits around his crimes. Gawker put together

884
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: a pretty good write up over how slick Willie fits

885
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: into all of this. They note that Clinton rode on

886
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: Epstein's plane at least eleven times between two thousand two

887
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: and two thousand three. Okay, what are the on paper

888
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: reasons for writing on Epstein's plane? Oh? Is it always

889
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 1: going somewhere for charity? Or is it? Or it's sure not, Dan,

890
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: It's sure not? Like what is he telling people? I'm

891
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 1: I'm getting on this plane. Again, what is his outloud reason.

892
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,439
Speaker 1: He's he's not giving an out loud reason. So here's

893
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: what we have. Quote. In January two tho, for instance,

894
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: Clinton and his a Doug Band and Clinton's secret service

895
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: detail are listed on a flight from Japan to Hong

896
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: Kong with Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and two women described only

897
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: as Janice and Jessica. One month later, records show Clinton

898
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,839
Speaker 1: hopped a ride from Miami to Westchester on a flight

899
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: that included Epstein, Maxwell, Kellen, and a woman described only

900
00:46:54,840 --> 00:47:00,919
Speaker 1: as one female. Okay, now I should like like, hey, Bill,

901
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: how was Japan? What what did you get into there?

902
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 1: And he scraps I found. He just he just flies

903
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: around on this plane and doesn't explain it. He flies

904
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: around on this plane with Jeffrey Epstein, the two people

905
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: who are named in multiple court documents as procuring women

906
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: for jeff Epstein, and the people that he pimped those

907
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,440
Speaker 1: women out to our girls out to uh sorry and

908
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 1: uh and unnamed women. Okay, yeah, yeah, it seems pretty bad.

909
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: Seems seems pretty bad. Seems like a real bummer evans

910
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton might have done something really bad. Uh. Now

911
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: that two thousand to New York Magazine article we've been

912
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,279
Speaker 1: quoting from was written because again, you know, Epstein had

913
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: just made the news for flying Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey,

914
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Chris Tucker, Gayls, and Gail Smith, who wound up on

915
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: Obama's National Security Council to Africa. Now, on that two

916
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 1: thousand to flight, Epstein's guests were all accompanied by Chaunte Davis.

917
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: She's one of the twenty seven women listed in Epstein's

918
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: Black Book, which also got out through a court case

919
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 1: under the heading Massage California. He had a hundred and

920
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: sixty names listed as massage artists in six different locations.

921
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,600
Speaker 1: Many of those women were under age, but for Chris

922
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: Tucker's sake, Shante was not. She was twenty three at

923
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: the time of the flight, So it is possible that

924
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 1: even if some prostitution went down on that flight, it

925
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: was not necessarily anything terrible on that specific flight. When contacted,

926
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: Shanta did not have much to say. So it's possible

927
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: that Chris Tucker, Gaylee, and Kevin Spacey were just using

928
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: this plane because Epstein offered it very publicly to help

929
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: out a charity. It's possible that if they did have

930
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: any sex, it was with you know, an adult prostitute.

931
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: But when it comes to the case of Bill Clinton,

932
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: it's a lot harder to exonerate him because eleven times

933
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 1: is a lot of times to fly on Jeffrey Epstein's

934
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: playing with unnamed women. Yes, yes, it's uh, it's I mean,

935
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 1: I don't I don't even really think we need to

936
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: know the game. No, Clinton, he sucks. Did you do

937
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: a book Clinton episode yet? No? No, but he sucks.

938
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: You should do a Bill Clinton. Well, well, we'll get

939
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: to it. There's a long list now. The one upside

940
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to the whole horrible Jeffrey Epstein saga is that he

941
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: might actually be something we can unite the country behind.

942
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: Because no matter who you are, and no matter how

943
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: you identify politically, someone you admire wrote on Jeffrey Epstein's

944
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: plane and may have raped a traffic child on it.

945
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: Other Epstein frequent flyers include Alan Dershowitz, the lawyer who

946
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: regularly defends Trump on TV, defended Epstein in court, and

947
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,720
Speaker 1: is accused by name of having sex with an underaged

948
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 1: child prostitute. Naomi, if you're trying to like prove that

949
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: one of my heroes wrote on this plane and you

950
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: started with Alan Dershwitz. He was just an named Dan.

951
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,759
Speaker 1: Give me a second. Naomi Campbell, the former supermodel and businesswoman,

952
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: former Treasury secretary and Harvard President, Larry Summers, Stephen Pinker,

953
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: the Canadian popular psychologist and author of such best selling

954
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: books as Enlightenment Now and How the Mind Works? And

955
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: Stephen Hawking. What Yeah, Stephen Hawking. See. It turns out

956
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: that Jeffrey Epstein had what the Telegraph called an island

957
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: of sin. It's an island he owns in the Virgin Islands.

958
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,879
Speaker 1: Little St. James, unofficially known to his friends as Little

959
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 1: Saint jeff Hawking actually travel they're in two thousands. Yeah,

960
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: it's a terrible name. Uh. And the women who have

961
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 1: accused him of sexual trafficking say that a lot of

962
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: the sexual trafficking happened on that island, and that they

963
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: were passed around on that island, and Hawking traveled there

964
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand six, a year after the first allegations

965
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: against Epstein were made public. Uh. Epstein apparently paid to

966
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:24,280
Speaker 1: modify a ship so the sixty one year old physicist

967
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 1: could take partner cruise. Hawking is pictured on the island

968
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 1: with several young but presumably adult women enjoying a barbecue.

969
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 1: So again, it's really hard to say. Maybe nothing bad

970
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: went down with Hawking. Uh, it was really common for

971
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: Epstein to hang out with physicists. He put tens of

972
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: millions of dollars into research projects around the world. He

973
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 1: also hung out and flew with luminaries in the field

974
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 1: like Murray Gellman. Uh. He was close to Martin Novak,

975
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: a mathematical biologist and professor at Harvard University. Epstein put

976
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: twenty million dollars into Harvard University, much of it to

977
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: support Novak's work. Vanity Fair talked to both of these

978
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: guys back into thousand three quote. When these men describe Epstein,

979
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: they talk about the energy and curiosity, as well as

980
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: a love for theoretical physics that they don't ordinarily find

981
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: the layman. Gelman rather sweetly mentions that there are always

982
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: pretty ladies around when he goes to dinner at Shaye Epstein. So,

983
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: I feel like if Hawking didn't, a lot of famous

984
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: physicists probably had sex with underage people and Epstein's Yeah,

985
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 1: and even if Hawking didn't and had no interest in it,

986
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: if a couple of punks like you and me know

987
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: these stories about Epstein. Stephen Hawking probably did. It was

988
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: probably in the air at that point. And it's very

989
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,919
Speaker 1: easy to say, you're sucking into type. No, I don't

990
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: want to go on on your plane. You can you

991
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to go on the Lolita Express to

992
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: Little Sat Jeff like, it's very easy to not do that.

993
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: Didn't say it that way. I'm gonna do it again tomorrow.

994
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: You're not going to get on the Lolita Express to

995
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 1: Little Sat Jeff to row every single day, I make

996
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 1: that choice. That's good to know. That's good to know. Now.

997
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 1: One of the things that's like most common in all

998
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 1: of his pre sex offender interviews is that Epstein would

999
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: brag about his contributions to science, or at least the

1000
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: contributions of his money to science. Most of the reporting

1001
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: during the pre sexual crime allegations period tended to portray

1002
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,799
Speaker 1: him as an eccentric, mysterious genius. He's another exerpt from

1003
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: that New York Magazine article quote, but it is his

1004
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: COVID of scientists that inspires Epstein's true rapture. Epstein spends

1005
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 1: twenty million a year on them, encouraging them to engage

1006
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: in whatever kind of cutting edge research might attract their fancy.

1007
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 1: There of course quite lavish in their praise in return.

1008
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: Gerald Edelman won the Nobel Prize for Physiology and Medicine

1009
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy two and now presides over the Neurosciences

1010
00:52:42,760 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: Institute at Le Yalah. Jeff is so extraordinary and his

1011
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: ability to pick up on quantitative relations, says Edelman. He

1012
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: came to see us recently. He's concerned with this basic question.

1013
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: Is it true that the brain is not a computer?

1014
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:57,719
Speaker 1: He is very quick. I found that really funny for

1015
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 1: some reason. Now, as smart as he may be, and

1016
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: that may be pretty smart, Jeffrey Epstein is not as

1017
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: smart as he thinks he is. It seems like after

1018
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: who knows how many years of going after impoverished girls,

1019
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: foreigners and previously trafficked kids, Epstein got lazy. He started

1020
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 1: targeting more and more girls from local high schools in

1021
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: Palm Beach, Florida. In two thousand four, sixteen year old

1022
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,720
Speaker 1: Michelle Locata still had braces. She was brought into Jeffrey

1023
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: Epstein's mansion to give him a massage in exchange for

1024
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: a couple of hundred dollars he immediately asked her to strip.

1025
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: Of course, according to the Miami Herald, quote Lacada had

1026
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: never been naked in front of anyone else before, but

1027
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: she did what he said. Epstein put out a timer,

1028
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: set it for thirty minutes, and started fondling her while

1029
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: he masturbated. She later recalled, I kept looking at the

1030
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: timer because I didn't want to have this mental image

1031
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: of what he was doing. He kept trying to put

1032
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: his fingers inside me and told me to pinch his nipples.

1033
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: He was mostly saying, just do that harder, harder, and

1034
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: do this. Eventually, Epstein ejaculated, got up and went to

1035
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: the shower. Leocada was sent away, but Epstein's people continued

1036
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,919
Speaker 1: to trawl her high school, Royal Palm Beach High. Before long,

1037
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: students were talking about quote a creepy old guy named

1038
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: Jeffrey who was paying between two hundred and three hundred

1039
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:12,359
Speaker 1: dollars apiece for massages that inevitably turned sexual. Not long

1040
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,040
Speaker 1: after her afternoon with Epstein, the Palm Beach police wound

1041
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 1: up at Locata's front door. They'd started an investigation into

1042
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: Epstein that year two thousand five, when a fourteen year

1043
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: old girl prompted by her parents alleged that Epstein had

1044
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 1: molested her in his mansion. This is what led to

1045
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 1: the trial that ended with Epstein branded a sex offender

1046
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and sentenced to more than a year of prison. The

1047
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 1: story of that trial, of epstein sentence, and of everything

1048
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: that came next is arguably even more horrifying than what

1049
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: we've discussed today. But you the listener will have to

1050
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: wait until Thursday to hear that. In Part two of

1051
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: the Epstein Saga, Jeffrey Epstein pimped to the Powerful. But first,

1052
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: it's the end of the first episode. So you got

1053
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 1: any plug double as you're gonna plug? Oh? Yeah, the

1054
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: only thing that I want to plug relevant to my interests.

1055
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 1: And also this episode of this organization called Children of

1056
00:54:56,360 --> 00:54:58,120
Speaker 1: the Night that I used to volunteer with back in

1057
00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. It's a privately funded nonprofit organization dedicated to

1058
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,160
Speaker 1: rescuing children and young people from prostitution worldwide. You can

1059
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Speaker 1: find the Children of the Night dot org. If you

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Speaker 1: have some money to kick their way, they will always

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Speaker 1: take it for if you yourself are in danger. They

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Speaker 1: have a twenty four hour hotline and you can reach

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Speaker 1: out to them and they will find you and they

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Speaker 1: will save you from your situation. If you have to

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Speaker 1: find yourself in a particular situation. Uh. And if you're

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Speaker 1: not in this situation and you don't have any extra

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Speaker 1: money to spend, but you do happen to live in

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Speaker 1: the Los Angeles area, you can volunteer with Children of

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Speaker 1: the Night through a company called l A Works and

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Speaker 1: just show up there once a week to meet these amazing, wonderful,

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Speaker 1: brilliant survivors and just play games here their stories, do

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Speaker 1: arson crafts, whatever you want. It's a great organization. You

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Speaker 1: should do it. You should support them. You should. We

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Speaker 1: all should. Children of the Night. That's great. That's a

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Speaker 1: great plug. Dan Uh you know, I I pride myself

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Speaker 1: on my plugsman ship. But that was that was the

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Speaker 1: finest plug of the episode by far. Oh thank you. Well.

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Speaker 1: I feel weird saying you should look up our t

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Speaker 1: look up Behind the Bastards you can also buy a shirt.

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Speaker 1: But you should, you should, You should done it your

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Speaker 1: shirt money to That's just sorry, Sophie. All right, Um,

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Speaker 1: I've been Robert Evans has been Behind the Bastards. You

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Speaker 1: can find us on social media at at Bastard's pod

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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. You can find all the sources

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Speaker 1: for this episode on Behind the Bastards dot com. Um,

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Speaker 1: that's all the plugs I got for the end of

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Speaker 1: this episode. Uh check back in Thursday where we will

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Speaker 1: have even more horrifying things to tell you I love

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