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Speaker 1: subject matter for yourself. You are listening to Dark Become

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Speaker 1: Flight with me Hedy Hollis, Annie, I Heart Radio and

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Speaker 1: Coast to Coast. They am para normal podcast network. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to my show. Remember each week this is the place

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Speaker 1: you go to when you want to hear the latest.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to anything out of the ordinary, I

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Speaker 1: don't care it's big Foot is shaving his chin in

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Speaker 1: your bathroom. You tell me about it. You go to

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Speaker 1: my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot com or

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Speaker 1: shadow Folks dot com. They both go the same place

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Speaker 1: and tell me the details. I mean, what color is

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Speaker 1: this for? I mean, what was happening? I'm kiddy, but

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Speaker 1: age just to aliens, shadow people, to have man near

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Speaker 1: death experiences, to holy encounters, I mean everything. If you

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Speaker 1: want to have a conversation about it or just express yourself,

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Speaker 1: you're more than welcome to do that. And I mean

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Speaker 1: the details. We need the deets, we need those details.

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Speaker 1: I get so many people are like, there's more to

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Speaker 1: this story. Well, tell me the story if you want

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Speaker 1: me to actually apply some help or to share the

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Speaker 1: patterns that I understand and just kind of go with it. Um, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you gotta tell me about it. Those teasers don't help

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Speaker 1: me or you, because you probably will never write me again.

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Speaker 1: I always tell people, please, you only gave me two lines.

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Speaker 1: Tell me more details about that. And I usually don't

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Speaker 1: hear from him. I am telling you, we have got

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Speaker 1: to get to the bottom of the stuff. Do not hesitate. Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, some people think their story is the next

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Speaker 1: great big book out there in the world. This is

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Speaker 1: not the business to be making a living off from

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Speaker 1: Okie doke. Um, so just if you want to learn, grow,

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Speaker 1: think all of us are are growing and learning. As

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Speaker 1: I flipped through these emails, it's just absolutely it's interesting, intriguing, scary, horrifying.

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Speaker 1: But you know, we have to get over these things.

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Speaker 1: We do. We have to because why are these things

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Speaker 1: scary is because it's unknown, because it's not spoken of often.

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Speaker 1: But we're going to start talking about these things more often.

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Speaker 1: That is my goal. So yes, that's why I talk

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Speaker 1: you're just enjoying this too much since demonic stuff. No,

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Speaker 1: to encourage that. Oh my goodness, you guys are in

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Speaker 1: of Jesus works. Um. So there are certain ritualistic things

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Speaker 1: Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome back. You are listening

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Speaker 1: to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollics on the

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Speaker 1: I heart rate to you and Coast to Coast am

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Speaker 1: para normal podcast network. Have Tim Sworts here and we

441
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: were talking about probably one of the crazier Poulter guys.

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Speaker 1: Whatever paranormal activity this is in regards to something called

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Speaker 1: Jeff the Talking Mongoose, And uh, I didn't want to

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Speaker 1: cut you off, but what so so this thing stayed

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Speaker 1: in the walls. People could hear it running back and forth,

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Speaker 1: but didn't anybody like poke their head in between the

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Speaker 1: walls to see if they could spot anything, you know,

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Speaker 1: to see if these people were hoaxing it. I mean,

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Speaker 1: what year did this take place? This took place, like

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Speaker 1: I said, in the in the early nineteen thirties, for

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Speaker 1: about and for about ten years. I mean, you know

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Speaker 1: for Poulder guy, if you know, if it was a

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Speaker 1: Polder guys, it was really long lived because because you know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, most Polder guys at the most maybe will

455
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: last a year at their strongest. But this continued on

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Speaker 1: for quite a while, and naturally, like you said, I mean,

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Speaker 1: people suspected that there were some kind of hoax going on.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the those who knew the Irvings knew that.

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Speaker 1: You know, they weren't the type of people to to

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Speaker 1: do something like this. You know, they're very uh, staunch,

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Speaker 1: upright people, and and so naturally they there was a

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Speaker 1: consideration that maybe their daughter, thirteen year old girl, was

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Speaker 1: somehow throwing her voice to do this, which I mean

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Speaker 1: that that is a possibility, but her parents always assisted.

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Speaker 1: And you have to remember, I mean, uh, they were

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Speaker 1: older parents, right, They had already had children, They had

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Speaker 1: two grown children that had families of their own at

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Speaker 1: this point. And Avory, that was their their youngest daughter's

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Speaker 1: name was was very much a latecomer. So I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, these guys, they hadn't fallen just fallen off

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Speaker 1: the turnip wagon. You know, they knew every trick that

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Speaker 1: a kid could do. Yet disturbing you know, especially, I

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Speaker 1: mean he recorded he kept a diary of all the

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Speaker 1: daily activities that that Jeff would do, what he talked about,

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Speaker 1: things that he would bring home, people that he would torment. Uh,

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Speaker 1: because Jeff he was there were like knot holes in

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Speaker 1: this in these wooden panelings, and Jeff could throw things

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Speaker 1: out of these knot holes and hit people with them.

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Speaker 1: So if if there was if there was a visitor

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Speaker 1: in the house that Jeff didn't like, he would chuck

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Speaker 1: stones or spoons or sometimes jets of water that he

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Speaker 1: claimed was urine. Yeah, that is wild. That gives me chills.

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Speaker 1: So what a thing to live with. So this thing,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't typical. It's living along period of time,

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Speaker 1: has this weird voice. I mean, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there's ever been something like that recorded in history to

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Speaker 1: say it's a little furry creature like that. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how comfortable they were living there with

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Speaker 1: this thing. I mean, did they ever express they wanted

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Speaker 1: to move and get away from Jeff yea at the beginning, yes, naturally,

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Speaker 1: you know, because they thought themselves that that that it

492
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: was a spook, you know, and that's what it was

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Speaker 1: referred to for a wrong time, um as the the

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00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: Darby spook, and they referred to it as a spook.

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Speaker 1: But the funny thing about it is is that you know,

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Speaker 1: Jeff said that, you know, he's not a spook. And

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Speaker 1: in fact, Jeff was afraid of ghosts, and he he

498
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Speaker 1: would have Mr Irving at times tell ghost stories at

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Speaker 1: night just to just to give him give himself a thrill.

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Speaker 1: And apparently one time Mr Irving like threw a sheet

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Speaker 1: over his head and he heard like his wife and

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Speaker 1: his daughter talking to Jeff in the kitchen. They were

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Speaker 1: seated in the kitchen and Jeff's voice was coming from

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Speaker 1: the wall, and I guess that he like jumped into

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Speaker 1: the kitchen and you know, like going boo or something

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Speaker 1: like that. And apparently Jeff screamed so loud, like a

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Speaker 1: like a little girl that he immediately took the sheet

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Speaker 1: off because he felt bad scared. Wow it, Well, what's

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Speaker 1: the range of topics he would discuss. What were some

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Speaker 1: of the stranger elements he mentioned? Well, I mean they

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Speaker 1: they they talked just really about anything. Jeff had a

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Speaker 1: fondness for visiting in the neighbors houses or even he said,

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Speaker 1: catching uh, hiding in the bus that went through the

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Speaker 1: countryside and going into and I can't think of the

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Speaker 1: name of the major town that was nearby, but you know,

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Speaker 1: he said that he would go into the town and

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Speaker 1: especially like hanging out at the station and listening into

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Speaker 1: the conversations of the workers and bus drivers. And then

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00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: he would come back and gossip and he would he

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00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 1: and he would go and he would gossip about what

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00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: the neighbors were doing as well, which that that didn't

522
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: go over very well with with their neighbors, and steal stuff.

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00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: He would steal stuff as well from neighbors house and

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Speaker 1: then bring them to the Irvings and the Irvings would

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Speaker 1: have to take them back and apologize, and then Jeffrey,

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey go and steal it again. Oh my gosh, sounds

527
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: like an annoying cat if very very much, so very much.

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Speaker 1: You know, as much as I love this topic, I

529
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Speaker 1: have to dive into something that is amazing that you

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Speaker 1: wrote about time travel fact not fiction. What I mean,

531
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Speaker 1: how did you come to that conclusion that it is

532
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: a fact? Well? This this actually was is a reprint

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Speaker 1: even earlier time travel book. That's one of the first

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Speaker 1: ones that I did for Timothy Green Beckley and his

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Speaker 1: inter Like publications. And it it actually had been commissioned

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Speaker 1: to somebody else, a guy who went under the pen

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Speaker 1: name of Commander X, and Commander X had assigned a

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Speaker 1: contract to to do this and several other books, but

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00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: then had health problems, bad health problems, and he wasn't

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Speaker 1: able to uh finish the commission. So so Beckley came

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Speaker 1: to me, and I mean, you know, I naturally interested

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Speaker 1: in time travel who's not, you know, and wanted to

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Speaker 1: know if I wanted to take it on, take you know,

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Speaker 1: the notes and the material that Commander X had already collected,

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Speaker 1: and then add my own stuff to it. And so

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Speaker 1: I did the original time travel book with gosh, I

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00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: can't even I can't remember what the name now, you know.

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00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: But but but then the time travel fact knock fiction came,

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00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: you know you probably about five years later, updated new material,

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00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 1: things like that. But but the thing that made it

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Speaker 1: fascinating to me when I was doing the initial research

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00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: because I go in I went into it looking along

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Speaker 1: the lines of you know, like scientists or government conspiracies

554
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: or you know, people experimenting in their garage, you know,

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00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: like back to you, back to the future. Uh, while

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00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: while Commander X he was looking more into the metaphysical

557
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: sides of it, uh, using out of body experiences and

558
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: things like that. But uh, but what I discovered, I

559
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: discovered the phenomena of time slips and that that's that's

560
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: what really hooked me. And so time travel, the original

561
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 1: time travel and the time travel back night. How would

562
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: you explain a time slip? Well, a time slip is

563
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: an experience where somebody will suddenly either find themselves in

564
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: what appears to be the past or the future, or

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00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: they'll see something that appears to have come from either

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Speaker 1: the past or or the future. A lot of these

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00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 1: cases are say somebody is just, you know, going down

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Speaker 1: the road and they'll suddenly see an old fashioned looking

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Speaker 1: house off the side of the road that they had

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00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: never seen before and are surprised that they had never

571
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Speaker 1: noticed it. But then the next time they come around,

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Speaker 1: it's not there anymore. I love those stories. Yeah, I've

573
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: experienced something weird along those lines myself, but it's it's

574
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: wild to hear about. And uh, you've heard of stories

575
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: also where the people have come back with something physical

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00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 1: like like change. Yes, oh yeah, Well there was one

577
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: case in London where a guy went into um, he

578
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 1: had come across a stationary shop that he was surprised

579
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Speaker 1: because he never knew that there was a stationary shop there,

580
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: and went in to look around and it was very

581
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Speaker 1: like old fashioned looking and quaint and uh, he actually

582
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: ended up buying some parchment paper, but then when he

583
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: went back later, it wasn't there. And he did come

584
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: back with this parchment paper though that Uh, I don't

585
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: know whatever happened to He probably wrote a letter on

586
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,760
Speaker 1: complaining to the editor about the shop that disappeared. But

587
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: but but yeah, I mean, uh, a lot of these

588
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: cases are situations where somebody will actually have just like

589
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: a full on experience where their surroundings will change from

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00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 1: modern time aims to some past era. They'll they'll smell

591
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: the air, they'll hear the sounds. Sometimes they'll interact with people. Uh,

592
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: and generally the people that they interact with act like

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00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: that they they're seeing a ghost. That's happened a couple

594
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: of times. Yeah, and uh, and it's far more common

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00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: an experience than really people. Consider the research that I've

596
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: done over the years, and you know, I started this

597
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: back in the nineteen nineties, and more and more these

598
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: stories come to me every day, and it's it's not

599
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: an uncommon phenomena. Surprisingly enough, Wow, that's it sounds like

600
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: you need to write book too. Honestly. It's like, have

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Speaker 1: you had people that have ever expressed uh versus a

602
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: deja vou, but actually feeling like time reversed on them

603
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: where they had a part us an all time slip

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Speaker 1: where nobody else noticed. Um oh yeah, yeah, well, I mean,

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00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: you know, I had myself a time slip experience, though

606
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: at the time I really didn't, you know, think about it.

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00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: I thought maybe it was more of a ghostly experience

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00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: where a friend and I had a flat tire out

609
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: on this highway and as we were trying to fix it,

610
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Speaker 1: this this older gentleman came out of the nearby house

611
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: and helped us fix the tire. And then later my mom,

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00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: being you know, the typical woman of that time, made

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Speaker 1: a pie and asked me to take it to him

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Speaker 1: to thank him for helping us. And that house wasn't

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Speaker 1: fair oh wow, oh yeah yeah. And you know, at

616
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Speaker 1: the time, I was like, well, maybe it was a ghost.

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Speaker 1: Oh It's like so many different experiences, But we gotta

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Speaker 1: Day AM Paranormal Podcast Network. I have Tim Swords here

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Speaker 1: and wow, uh we're covering the topics. Let me tell you,

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Speaker 1: this guy has so much out there and it's it's

641
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: always kind of just been so intriguing. It's like those

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Speaker 1: corners of the universe that we don't get to talk

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Speaker 1: about so much, I mean, time travel and talking mongoose.

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Speaker 1: So it's time time to move into the ill in encounters.

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Speaker 1: And because those are ongoing, those have been something that

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Speaker 1: I've always intrigued me. And uh, there's always a quiz

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Speaker 1: you know, questions just dangling out there that we can't

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Speaker 1: see the grass. But have you noticed anything changing out

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Speaker 1: there when it comes to alien encounters? Well, definitely, the

650
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 1: UFO phenomena is constantly evolving. Um you look at say

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Speaker 1: the early days just right after um, the Kenneth Arnold sightings,

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Speaker 1: when you started then having the whole contact E movement

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Speaker 1: with Georgia Damski and Howard Venture. You know, you had

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Speaker 1: extraterrestrials that you know, are claimed to be extraterrestrials that

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Speaker 1: were very human looking, you know, tall, blonde haired, blue eyed,

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Speaker 1: uh you know, almost angelic types of beans. And then

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Speaker 1: after a while that kind of evolved into more uh, shorter,

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Speaker 1: almost science fiction e type looking uh creatures, until eventually

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Speaker 1: we've ended up with the big eyed grays. And if

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Speaker 1: you really if you go back through UFO history. The

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Speaker 1: Big Eye Grays are really kind of newcomers to the scene.

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Speaker 1: They didn't show up until sometime in the nineteen seventies.

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Speaker 1: I've done a lot of research over the years, and uh,

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Speaker 1: maybe one or two cases that that sounds somewhat like

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Speaker 1: the Big Eyed Grays, But it really hasn't been until

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Speaker 1: fairly recently that these these creatures shown up. Now. Of course, Uh,

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Speaker 1: some people say that, oh, well, you know, there's an

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Speaker 1: intergalactic war and the Big Eye Grays have u fought

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Speaker 1: the Nordics way, and now there are the rulers what

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Speaker 1: have you. But uh, you know, that's the interesting thing

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Speaker 1: about the mystery of of UFOs is that the Big

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Speaker 1: a Grays may be prominent now, but in another twenty

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Speaker 1: thirty years there's probably going to be something else that

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Speaker 1: has filled that niche. So it's just always interesting to

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Speaker 1: see what's going to happen next. Yeah, whoever wins the

676
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Speaker 1: rock paper Scissors events out there in the universe, I

677
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Speaker 1: get the Blue Marble. It's my turn. So it's just

678
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Speaker 1: so crazy, it's like, why are there changes like this?

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Speaker 1: But now you've also your most recent work alien artifacts,

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Speaker 1: incredible evidence of exotic material from UFL Encounters. Tell us

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Speaker 1: a bit about that book. Now, that's uh one of

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Speaker 1: our first books that we put out to try to

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Speaker 1: continue on the legacy of Timothy Green Beckley and the

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Speaker 1: types of books that he liked to put out, with

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Speaker 1: a number of different authors contributing chapters, uh, following a

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Speaker 1: main theme. And so that's the way alien artifacts is

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Speaker 1: that we've got people like myself, Scott Kralis, Nigel Watson

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Speaker 1: from the UK uh Shaun Castile, We've all contributed chapters

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Speaker 1: about different kinds of alien artifacts. And alien artifacts doesn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily mean you know, little beat up pieces of metal

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Speaker 1: that has been found in the field. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: wide variety of things. I mean, it could be that

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Speaker 1: you know, the junks of metal to uh trees or

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Speaker 1: landscapes that have been damaged by something to physical injuries

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Speaker 1: uh to people. But but we also include the little

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Speaker 1: you know, the little bits of beat up metal as well.

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Speaker 1: I got to get that in there. Hell yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: any like tissue of alien beings, DNA evidence even well

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Speaker 1: there you know, there have been stories of people who

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Speaker 1: have actually claimed to have either injured are killed, uh

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Speaker 1: some of these big eyed grays during an abduction event

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Speaker 1: with blood samples being kept, but you know that that

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Speaker 1: information then tends to end up disappearing or being compartmentalized someplace.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of the things that we try to

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Speaker 1: do with our books is to really vet our information

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Speaker 1: as best as we possibly could. That's what I was

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Speaker 1: taught in college. Verify, verify, verify. So you know, unless

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Speaker 1: we can you know, really have some good verification on

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Speaker 1: these stories, we may mention them, but we're not going

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Speaker 1: to go and give them, you know, say, like a

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Speaker 1: full chapter release like like the others. Now, there's the

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Speaker 1: story that happened in Australia that a book was written

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Speaker 1: called Hair of the Alien, which was fascinating and which

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Speaker 1: DNA samples were taken from this hair sample after a

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Speaker 1: very unusual case. But the hair sample proved to be

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Speaker 1: human of a very odd variety, kind of like almost

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Speaker 1: a genetic manipulation between a tribe from UH mainland China,

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Speaker 1: UH some like Scandinavian origins as well. But the odd

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Speaker 1: thing was that it appeared that they had their DNA

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Speaker 1: manipulated to make them um uh not susceptible to various

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Speaker 1: viral diseases like age HI. The HIV virus at the

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Speaker 1: time was the one that was shown that that whoever

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Speaker 1: this individual was, they had a natural immunity to this

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Speaker 1: virus that at the time was previously unknown. Interesting, so

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Speaker 1: of all things it was able to prevent that kind

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Speaker 1: of infiltration. I wonder if the next DNA sample will

727
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: be able to fend off COVID. You know. It's like, gee,

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Speaker 1: those ones that have been questionable in society, you know,

729
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Speaker 1: because I remember when you know, AIDS was a conversation

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Speaker 1: there like this was programmed to kill people this way,

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Speaker 1: you know, and the same conversations today. You know, what's

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Speaker 1: old is new, as new, as old whatever, I mean,

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Speaker 1: everything old is again. Yes, honestly, it's just like round

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Speaker 1: and round we go. You know. It's like, uh, I

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Speaker 1: have older friends that have said they had to quarantine

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Speaker 1: in their homes because of the polio outbreak. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, you know, same things. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: these things happen, um. But you know, it's what I

739
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Speaker 1: always wonder too. It's like, when it comes to any

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Speaker 1: kind of real evidence of something being truly unimaginable, you

741
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Speaker 1: have to trust a scientific minded person to be able

742
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Speaker 1: to test these things. Properly. But so we're trusting that

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Speaker 1: person to not be bought out, sold out, or infiltrated

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Speaker 1: to uh, you know, give the real authentic results. I mean,

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00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: is that something that's a challenge out there, Yes, But

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Speaker 1: the main challenge is finding a laboratory that will sample

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Speaker 1: this stuff if they find out what the source was. Okay,

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Speaker 1: a lot of these places, universities, private laboratories. If you

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Speaker 1: come to them and say, hey, we've got the money,

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Speaker 1: we've got this material that we think came from a

751
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Speaker 1: fall and flying saucer, will you check it out and

752
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, give it a chemical and isotopic analysis, And

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Speaker 1: a majority of these labs were like, Nope, we don't

754
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Speaker 1: want anything to do with this. And so it's been

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Speaker 1: an effort to find facilities that will actually do the

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Speaker 1: proper research on this material. Thankfully there has been a few,

757
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Speaker 1: but so many they do you know, they as the

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Speaker 1: saying goes, they wouldn't touch it with a twelve football.

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Speaker 1: That's a shame. That's really a shame because I I mean,

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Speaker 1: every time I turn on the news, we're having to

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Speaker 1: take people's word for something. And on a broader scale

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Speaker 1: and medical all of that, um, it's It's just a

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Speaker 1: common common thing, you know. Um. So, you know, how

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Speaker 1: can people get a hold of you and hear your

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Speaker 1: podcast and your books? Uh? Tell us that information? Sure? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm the co host of the pair of Cast with

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Speaker 1: Gene Steinberg and that can be heard throughout the country

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Speaker 1: on the GCN Radio network. And you can also listen

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Speaker 1: to the archives at the pair cast dot com. Just

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Speaker 1: as easy as that. All of my books you can

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Speaker 1: find them at Amazon dot com. You can just put

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Speaker 1: my name in. I've got both print and e book available. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you can also find them at your favorite local bookstore.

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Speaker 1: And please patronize your favorite local bookstore. Are my website

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Speaker 1: is a conspiracy journal dot com where we have all

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Speaker 1: the weird news and information that they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. So what's next for you? What are you

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Speaker 1: looking into in the future. Well, right now, myself and

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Speaker 1: uh the UH, as we like to put it, the

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Speaker 1: usual gang of idiots are putting together a new book

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Speaker 1: along you know, similar lines as the Alien Artifacts, and

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Speaker 1: we're keeping the title down low on it. We don't

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Speaker 1: want to reveal ourselves yet, but we're expecting this book

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Speaker 1: to come out, you know, probably in the next couple

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Speaker 1: of months and uh, it's it's going to be another

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Speaker 1: good one, I predict. Oh the excitement builds. Will. I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you so much, my friend, for coming

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Speaker 1: on the program today. This is fascinating as usual, Idi,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me on. I had

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Speaker 1: a great time tonight, and I hope your listeners enjoyed

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Speaker 1: it as well. Oh, thank you, thank you, simply amazing.

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Speaker 1: Once again we have come to the bottom of another

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Speaker 1: fabulous program. I hope you guys have enjoyed yourselves. Don't

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Speaker 1: forget to go to Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow

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Speaker 1: Folks dot com and tell me your stories. Tell me

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Speaker 1: what's going on out there. Have you heard new rumors

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Speaker 1: of something in the family, something that happened, something Grandma

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Speaker 1: has been hiding. I don't care whatever it is, and

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Speaker 1: give me the details. I'm getting a lot of one

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Speaker 1: liners and a lot of single paragraphs, and that doesn't

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Speaker 1: help us all paint the picture and to get these

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Speaker 1: patterns down. So tell me your details. Agels to Alien,

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Speaker 1: don't be shy. Tell me what's going on out there

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Speaker 1: in the world. And you know this is all about you,

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Speaker 1: about me and about all the in between. All right,

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Speaker 1: So you have been listening to Dark Becomes Life with

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