1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: So Michael Vari Show is on the air. 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 3: Baseball legend Pete Rose has passed away. Rose was one 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 3: of the greatest hitters in baseball history and holds a 5 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:24,599 Speaker 3: Major League Baseball record for all time hits. But Pete 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 3: Rose never made it into the Baseball Hall of Fame 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: because he was banned for life for betting on games 8 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 3: while manager of the Cincinnati Reds. Rose later admitted to 9 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:35,840 Speaker 3: betting on his own team's games, but said he never 10 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 3: threw a game and never bet against his own team. 11 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 3: Rose played to the majors for twenty four years. Pete 12 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: Rose was eighty three years. 13 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 2: Old, and here comes a main attraction. 14 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: Man. They're on their feet, Rose walking toward the play 15 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: the most famous number fourteen in the history of this game, 16 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: and trying to make history right here. In the first 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: Jenning Tonight, Will was about a couple of times Shall 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: kicks and he fires? 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 2: Rose ways the dawn so. 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: Love pographs death number forty one ninety two. A live 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:16,839 Speaker 1: drive Sayle into left center field, a clean base enter 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: that is pandamonium. I'm here in River Prince Stadium. The 23 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: buyer works exploding over her head the Cincinnamity dugout has emptied. 24 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: The applause continues outobated Rose, completely encircled by his teammates. 25 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: At first page, Joe White an emotional scene here at 26 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: the ballpark. 27 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 4: I want to be a base bows with my own 28 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: to baseball car. I won to be the god that 29 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: wins the game. 30 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 5: People have thought I was sold a little off my 31 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 5: rocker day. Over the last ten years or so that 32 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 5: I have argued that Pete Rose should be in the 33 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame. And I noticed after the news Emergency 34 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 5: died yesterday, people who have never commented about Pete Rose before, 35 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 5: certain not positively. Their response to his death is he 36 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 5: should be in the Hall of fame. Did he have 37 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 5: to die to win his way in? To earn his 38 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 5: way in? But he cheated Michael, I know, and he 39 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 5: was punished, severely punished. In the law, there is something 40 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 5: known as proportionality, and the concept is we don't give 41 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 5: somebody the death penalty for stealing a pack of gum. 42 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 5: We don't give someone a slap on the wrist for 43 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 5: murdering someone. The punishment should fit the crime. These are 44 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 5: knar words of our jurisdiction, of our jurisprudence and our 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:09,279 Speaker 5: jurisdiction of our jurisprudence that for centuries have been established 46 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 5: prior to the establishment the foundation of this country as 47 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 5: a nation. These are Anglo American principles. Proportionality, It's what 48 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 5: a merciful, advanced, compassionate, thoughtful, rational people do. 49 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 2: You don't give the death penalty to everything. 50 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 5: And effectively, p Rose got the death penalty from the 51 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, from the greatest honor a baseball player 52 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 5: can receive. 53 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 2: Now, did he do something wrong? Yes? 54 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 5: Should he have been punished yes? Was he punished more 55 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 5: harshly than any player in sports history, There's no question 56 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 5: about that, when other players did far worse. That man 57 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 5: gave a lot to the game does not absolve him 58 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 5: from what he did. I think there's a lot of 59 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 5: embarrassment within baseball because nobody was bold enough to step 60 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 5: up and say, Okay, he's paid his dues. It's been 61 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 5: over three decades now, he's paid his dues. Did he 62 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 5: go off and trashed the game? No, he did nothing 63 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 5: more than try to make a live and sign an 64 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 5: autographs showing up at sports events. I respected the fact 65 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 5: that the Cincinnati Reds organization inducted him into their team 66 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 5: Hall of Fame, but he deserved to be in his 67 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 5: lifetime given the owner that meant so much to him 68 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 5: and what makes him so special. I think he played 69 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 5: twenty three years and I believe he was an All 70 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 5: Star seventeen times. He has more hits than any player 71 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 5: ever will. He holds more records. You have to get 72 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 5: into Nolan Ryan, Pete Rose. You have to get into 73 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 5: just a handful of players with that level of records 74 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 5: that they hold and things that they accomplished in their career. 75 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 2: It bothers me. 76 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 5: It bothers me in the way that it bothers me 77 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 5: that people are in prison right now for January sixth. 78 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 5: You have to care when injustice is administered in the 79 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 5: name of supposed justice. 80 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 2: And imagine this. 81 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 5: Today's sports shows will talk about Pete Rose all day long, 82 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 5: from the earliest morning show until the latest network television 83 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 5: sports shows and radio sports shows. They will talk about 84 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 5: his death and his amazing career, and they'll talk about 85 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 5: the fact that he was banned for life for gambling. 86 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 5: The number one sponsor of sports radio in the country 87 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 5: gambling sites. You know, there's a weird thing in the 88 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 5: American fiber a dichotomy, nice way to say hypocrisy, an 89 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: absolute and utter hypocrisy. And that's all I have said 90 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 5: about Pete Rose. For now, in just a little while, 91 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 5: not right now, hold you fire, just a little while, 92 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 5: I'm gonna ask you a question that I've been thinking 93 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 5: about the last couple of days. In fact, I've given 94 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 5: a lot of thought to this, and that question is 95 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 5: there are people out there who did not and you 96 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 5: may be that person who did not vote for Trump 97 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 5: the first time in twenty sixteen, did not vote for 98 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,039 Speaker 5: Trump in twenty twenty, but this year are going to 99 00:06:56,080 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 5: vote for Trump. Elon Musk has made that statement, Robert F. 100 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 5: Kennedy has made that stated. Nicole Shanahan has made a 101 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:09,039 Speaker 5: lot of people. I am not as I know. Some 102 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 5: people are saying, well, you're an idiot, because at election 103 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 5: time it's big tent time. Winning an election necessarily means 104 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 5: bringing people onto your side with whom you did not 105 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 5: keep counsel before. That's the only way you can win. 106 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 5: That's the strategy. Democrats are good at that. Hey, you Palestinian. 107 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: Terrorists, come on over here. 108 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 5: Hey, gays, get over here with the blacks. The conservative 109 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 5: Christian blacks that believe that you're immoral and awful. 110 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: Get over here. Hey, trainees, y'all get over here too. 111 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 5: They want everybody because they want to win, because they 112 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 5: can't just cheat and win. They need some votes too. 113 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 5: If you're one of those people, Ramon, just mark them 114 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 5: as one, two or three. 115 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 2: So I want you to say. 116 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 5: If you're going to vote in this election, you're a three. 117 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 5: You know I had to say that when you call 118 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 5: Ramon and mark them as a three. 119 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: If you voted for. 120 00:08:12,000 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 5: Trump in twenty sixteen, if you've been with him all 121 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 5: three times, I want you to hold your fire. We 122 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 5: will get to you. But I know there's a lot 123 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 5: of those. If you didn't vote for him in sixteen 124 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 5: but did in twenty, you'll be a two. Ramon got that, 125 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 5: But I first want to see if we can flesh 126 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 5: out the folks that didn't vote for him in sixteen 127 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: and twenty. 128 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: And I'm not going to beat you up for it. 129 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 2: I give you my word. I want to hear what 130 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,880 Speaker 2: changed for you, what changed in your mind? So hold 131 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: your fire. 132 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,199 Speaker 5: We're not going to call in yet. We're going to 133 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 5: talk to Tony Buzzby coming up. He is representing a 134 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 5: lot of the folks uh in the P. 135 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Diddy click case that are alleged victims of P. Dizzy's 136 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: sexual assaults. That case has gone national. Tony Buffbi Michael. 137 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 4: Getting me out of the. 138 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 2: Man. 139 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 5: That's Tony Busby Lawyers. Guns and money, Tony. I don't 140 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 5: know how many guns you got, but I know about 141 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 5: the other stuff. 142 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:17,840 Speaker 6: I have a lot of guns. 143 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 2: Well you had a tank? Yeah? How well did that 144 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: go over on River Oaks Boulevard? 145 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 6: You know, I think most people liked it. There's always, 146 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 6: you know, a few people that want to be mad 147 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 6: about everything, So that's just how it goes. 148 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 2: Is this the earliest you've been up this year? 149 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 6: No, sir, I've been up for several hours. 150 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: Is that true? Yeah, you just stayed up all the 151 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 2: way through. 152 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 6: I'm an early riser. 153 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: I did not know that. 154 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I like to watch the sun come up 155 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 6: and smoke a cigar. I'm doing good. How about you? 156 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic. Where are you right now? 157 00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 6: I'm here in our great city of Houston. 158 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: You still live on Revotion Boulevard? 159 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 6: Yes? There? 160 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: I do tell me about your ranch. 161 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 5: Somebody got invited to your ranch that I haven't been to, 162 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 5: and said it. 163 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 2: Was just amazing. 164 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 6: Well, there's I don't want to that. This is going 165 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 6: to make me sound like a jackass. 166 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: But that ship's already sailed. 167 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 6: Well there's two, so I got to know which one 168 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 6: you're talking about. If you're talking about the one in 169 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 6: deep northeast Texas. Probably it is about seven thousand acres 170 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 6: in the piney woods near Atlanta, Texas, which is south 171 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,079 Speaker 6: of Texas, Cana. And you know, it's rolling pastures and 172 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 6: pine pine trees and some hardwoods and creeks and ponds. 173 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 6: And we have a bunch of different kinds of animals, 174 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 6: from kangaroos, the zebras to ostrich emu, every kind of 175 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 6: animal you can think of, with exception of I don't 176 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 6: have drafts like mattress mac has. But beyond that, yeah, yeah, yeah, 177 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 6: no I don't have I don't have that. But kangaroos, Yeah, 178 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 6: we have some kangaroos. They're really cool. 179 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 2: I'm told it. 180 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 5: Kangaroos will absolutely kick your ass, like they will fight you, 181 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 5: and they mean it. 182 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 6: They'll kill you some of them. You know, we have 183 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 6: one of one of the kangaroos we rescued. Somebody was 184 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 6: raising it in their backyard. In Dallas, of all places, 185 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 6: and it got to where it could jump over their fence. 186 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 6: And that's a really sweet one. I mean, they would 187 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 6: bring it in the house. But but they can be aggressive. 188 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 6: They don't like dogs, so I have to keep I 189 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 6: gotta be very careful about my beagles around them because 190 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 6: they'll chase they'll chase a beagle down and try to 191 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,359 Speaker 6: kill it. But but they're they're cool animals. 192 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 5: I didn't I'm never known of anyone to have a 193 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 5: kangaroo that that texts the box. 194 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: All right, where's the other beach? 195 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 6: Well, we have another place in Burton, right around Brenham 196 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 6: and oh yeah, yeah. 197 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, And you've got a place in Galveston because my 198 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 5: buddy Jimmy Pappas saw you down there recently. 199 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, we like to be in gallag You picked. 200 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,319 Speaker 2: Your own career. You should have studied. 201 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 5: So you are involved in this p Diddy case for 202 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 5: people who for people who may not know who he 203 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 5: is as a cultural phenomenon, and he is that he's 204 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 5: very well known, he's very very influential in many sectors. 205 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,319 Speaker 5: How would you explain to people who p did he 206 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 5: is or Sean Puffy Combs or however you're going to 207 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 5: refer to him. 208 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's hard, hard to figure out what to call him. 209 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 6: But his name is Sean Combs. He's had a lot 210 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 6: of different imaginations of his name over the years, but 211 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 6: he's a He started out as a performer, a rap artist, 212 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 6: very popular in the nineties I think it was early 213 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 6: ninety had a lot of hit songs, collaborated with a 214 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 6: lot of people, launched a lot of people's careers, people 215 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 6: like Justin Bieber Usher. You may remember what was the 216 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 6: Biggie Yeah, Biggie Smalls Yeah. And then there was that 217 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 6: you may remember, the big the controversy about East Coast 218 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 6: Rap and West Coast Rap. He was kind of the 219 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 6: leader of the East Coast Rap. And then he then 220 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 6: he kind of graduated into a producer, and then he 221 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 6: had a tequila company and then a clothing company, and 222 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 6: you know, at one point he was he was considered. 223 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: To be a billionaire. 224 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 6: I'm not sure if that's the case now, but. 225 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 2: We're about to find out. 226 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,559 Speaker 6: All we we're gonna find out. 227 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: And over over the. 228 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 6: Years, you know, he he became known for these parties 229 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 6: he would throw and he would throw parties uh in Manhattan, 230 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 6: uh out and also in the Hampton's also in in 231 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 6: l A. And the parties became this this thing that 232 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 6: everybody he wanted to be invited to. It was like 233 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 6: the party to be invited to. People like you know, 234 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 6: Leo DiCaprio and Oprah and all these these so called 235 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 6: celebrities would would be at these parties, and apparently, you know, 236 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 6: at the somewhere around midnight or one o'clock, the party 237 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 6: would shift from just the kind of party that maybe 238 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 6: you and I might attend to something that became really sinister. 239 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 6: He apparently brought women and men from across the country 240 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 6: and paid them or coerced them for sex, and it 241 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 6: was you know, he's been indicted now, of course in 242 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 6: New York, and he's in jail right now. They've denied 243 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 6: him bail twice. But I think we're just this is 244 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 6: just a tip of the iceberg. 245 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: I mean, we. 246 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 6: Began signing up cases about three months ago on this 247 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 6: and uh, this morning I was told that we have 248 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 6: one hundred and one clients that have been vetted that 249 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 6: have some proof that can be pursued in court of 250 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 6: being sexually exploited by Sean Combs. And there's a lot 251 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 6: of other facets to this. You know, obviously the companies 252 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 6: that he was engaged with were profiting off of this, 253 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 6: you know, this whole culture that he created. And then 254 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 6: there's a lot of other celebrities and people that were 255 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 6: involved in this, people that stood by and watched or 256 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 6: in some cases participated. So this you know, we remember 257 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 6: the old Epstein thing that's kind of still going on, 258 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 6: and all the various people that we always wondered who 259 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 6: were involved with that. I think this is going to 260 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 6: be the same kind of thing, but bigger. 261 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: I suspect you're right. 262 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 5: I suspect that this thing is going to be an 263 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 5: onion that keeps getting peeled further and further to reveal 264 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 5: deeper and deeper layers of celebrity and government. And it's 265 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: going to be interesting and disturbing to watch, but it 266 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 5: needs to come out. Your first client, I think, was 267 00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 5: a woman in Houston who alleges she's a victim of 268 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 5: all of this. 269 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 6: Uh No, that was that was there was. 270 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: There is a woman. 271 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 6: Who is represented by another lawyer, who who had a 272 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 6: press conference a couple of days back, who complain or 273 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 6: alleges that something happened. I think she's talking about in 274 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 6: the year two thousand. But but there's been I think 275 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 6: seven total cases filed against him at this moment, but 276 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 6: never never of the volume that that he's about about 277 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 6: to see. And I think one of the one of 278 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 6: the things that a lot of people don't realize is 279 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 6: that is that it's it's actually more males than females 280 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 6: who have been exploited in abuse by by this whole 281 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 6: thing that's going on. You know, that's not that's not 282 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 6: self evident. You know that's a little that's contrary to 283 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 6: the rap culture. But the truth is is, you know, 284 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 6: the allegation is that he targeted young young men, and 285 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 6: you know they were just as targeted, if not more targeted, 286 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 6: than young women. 287 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, there are some names who appear in the allegations 288 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,719 Speaker 5: of folks, including Justin Bieber who you mentioned, and Usher 289 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 5: and is it Mace meets What's what's the mace? There's 290 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 5: a video with Justin Bieber. 291 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've. 292 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 5: Probably seen it now when Bieber is fourteen years old. 293 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: It is very, very disturbing. 294 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 5: Can you hold with us for a minute, sure, Tony 295 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 5: Busby is. 296 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: Our guest. 297 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: Supporter. 298 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 6: Who've been to supporter? 299 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,160 Speaker 2: You haven't been with the Michael Berry and I. 300 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 6: Haven't been to Europe. 301 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 5: Tony Busby, a high profile attorney, is our guest. We're 302 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 5: talking about his case against Sean Puffy Comb's p Diddy, 303 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:01,920 Speaker 5: whatever the name. He has one hundred and one clients 304 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 5: signed up right now with charges of some sort against 305 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 5: Sean Combs. Tony, let's talk about the allegations themselves. And 306 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 5: I realized those range quite a bit. And you mentioned 307 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 5: a little bit about drugging folks, non consensual sex, those 308 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,639 Speaker 5: sorts of things. Can you give us just a range 309 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,360 Speaker 5: of what we're talking about. 310 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it ranges from rape, which is in 311 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 6: New York, violent sexual assault, which includes you know, non 312 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,719 Speaker 6: consensual sex, rape, sexual abuse, which would include sexual contact 313 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 6: facilitated sex with a controlled substance, which is in my 314 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 6: view as I review each of these cases, is kind 315 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 6: of the overwhelming thing. There's always some sort of drug involved. 316 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 6: It looks like it's a date rape drug, which is 317 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 6: why I'm very, very interested to know what the FBI 318 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 6: I seize, because they obviously seized various drugs that they 319 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 6: found at his two residences. We know that that some 320 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 6: of these these clients who went to the to the 321 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 6: doctor after these events, found drugs in their system, including 322 00:19:16,800 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 6: a drug that I wasn't familiar with. I'm trying to 323 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 6: get the name of it, but it's basically commonly called TRANKU. 324 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 6: It's a horse tranquilizer, which is which is a strange thing, 325 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 6: but several, uh, several of these clients had this drug 326 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:36,640 Speaker 6: in their system, which I'm told is they lace they 327 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 6: lace other drugs with this drug. It makes people feel 328 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 6: lethargic and and kind of lose all their inhibitions. So 329 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 6: these are the types of claims, the kind that you 330 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,479 Speaker 6: would you would typically expect, and this kind of behavior groping, uh, 331 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 6: you know, videoing someone without the permission, false imprisonment, sexual 332 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 6: abuse of minors. There's a whole litany of claims depending 333 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 6: on the particular case, and these cases will all be 334 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 6: filed individually. Probably most of them will be filed in 335 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,720 Speaker 6: New York, but some will be filed in California, and 336 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 6: each client will have his or her own case with 337 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 6: his or her own claims. 338 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 5: And when we talk about where they'll be filed in 339 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 5: which court we'll have jurisdiction, are we talking primarily about 340 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 5: the location where this occurred? 341 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 2: How would that be determined. 342 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 5: Well. 343 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:33,400 Speaker 6: As you probably know, the venue is typically either where 344 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 6: the act occurred or where the defendant resides. So a 345 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 6: lot of this conduct occurred in New York, and of 346 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 6: course Sean Combs has his primary residence in New York, 347 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 6: although he may argue that it's in California, but in 348 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 6: any event, it's either New York or California. So that's 349 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 6: the reason most of these cases will be filed in 350 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 6: New York or California. The good news for these claimants 351 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 6: is that both New York and Californifornia have very liberal 352 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 6: statue limitations, so that you can capture conduct that happened 353 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:09,880 Speaker 6: more than twenty years ago. 354 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 5: What is that statute of limitations? 355 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:12,399 Speaker 4: Is it? 356 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 5: Is it specific? Is it twenty five years? Is it lifetime? 357 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 5: For these types of things? 358 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 6: In New York, it's essentially lifetime as long as you 359 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 6: bring the claim in March of twenty twenty five. Of course, 360 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 6: there are other various limitations, probably too much to talk 361 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 6: about here, but essentially very generous, very liberal statue limitations 362 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 6: in California and New York, which is why I expect 363 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 6: most of the cases to be filed in those two states. 364 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 6: Georgia as an example which some of this conduct occurred 365 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 6: in Georgia. Its statute limitations is two years. Texas has 366 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 6: a statute for this type of conduct of only five years. 367 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 6: But New York you can capture conduct that goes back 368 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,120 Speaker 6: thirty years. So it really depends on, you know, if 369 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 6: it happened in New York, or you can sue Shawn 370 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 6: Combs in New York because he's a New York residence, 371 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 6: then you can a resident, then you can then you 372 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 6: can bring a civil claim against him. 373 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: Tony Busby is our guest. 374 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:15,360 Speaker 5: We're talking about his clients, his cases against Seawan Comb's 375 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 5: Puffy p Diddy. Obviously, Seawan Combs is in real legal 376 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 5: jeopardy from a criminal perspective. Presently, if something happened to him, 377 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 5: he epstein or he's epstein. If something happens to him, 378 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 5: he files bankruptcy, because these cases are going to be 379 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 5: pouring in and he's going to be defending himself and 380 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 5: all of this. 381 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 2: You hinted or alluded to other. 382 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,439 Speaker 5: Folks who benefited from his behavior, who it sounded like 383 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 5: might be in your targets. 384 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about that. 385 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've always, you know, I've always when I started 386 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 6: taking these cases. I took them with an eye to 387 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 6: making sure that we captured everybody in what I call 388 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 6: the silent accomplices or the the you know, the enablers 389 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 6: behind closed doors, the that there are a lot of 390 00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 6: different people that were involved in this, that enabled this, 391 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 6: that sat by and watched it, watched it occur, that 392 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,480 Speaker 6: knew about it, that did nothing to stop it. And 393 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 6: then there's corporate entities involved. You know, Seawan Combs made 394 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 6: a lot of money for a lot of different corporations, 395 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 6: and uh, you know, we're all learning about his conduct now, 396 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 6: but it was it was a secret that everyone knew about, 397 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 6: certainly in the entertainment industry. People knew what kind of 398 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 6: things he was up to. People knew that that, you 399 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:45,679 Speaker 6: know a lot of his parties that are at a 400 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 6: certain point in time that if you didn't want to 401 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 6: be involved in this kind of conduct, you better leave. 402 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:51,359 Speaker 3: Uh. 403 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 6: He made it very clear. I mean there's a there's 404 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:58,200 Speaker 6: a public recording of him essentially saying as much from 405 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 6: a balcony where he talked about you know it's at 406 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 6: some point tonight everybody needs to leave that's not going 407 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 6: to participate, and you know, the message was sent but 408 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 6: it wasn't a secret. It was a secret to us. 409 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 6: I didn't know about it, obviously, but the entertainment industry 410 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 6: knew about it, and a lot of entertainment companies and 411 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 6: individuals made a heck of a lot of money because 412 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 6: of this culture that he created, and we're going to 413 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 6: be looking towards them as well. 414 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 5: The Justin Bieber video, which I'm sure you've seen, is 415 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 5: very disturbing, not because he's Justin Bieber, but because at 416 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,200 Speaker 5: the time he's I think fourteen, about to be fifteen, 417 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 5: and Seawan Combe says, we are in an undisclosed location 418 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 5: and we're going to have the next forty eight hours 419 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 5: just be wild. And you think about you know, what 420 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 5: kind of parent gives over their team. A minor cannot 421 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 5: consent to sex. That's why we call it statutory rape. 422 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 5: It just cannot happen except for in the rarest of 423 00:24:56,840 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 5: circumstances if they're close in age, and we don't want 424 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 5: adults to be having sex with children. And that's pure 425 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 5: and simple the case. Do you have any at this point, 426 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 5: I'm sure you're going to be signing up more. Do 427 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 5: you have any clients who were under age at the 428 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 5: point of the alligate of the alleged activity. 429 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 6: Twenty four of the one hundred and one were underage. 430 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 6: One was as young as nine years old. 431 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 2: Oh, Tony, can you hang with us? 432 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 6: Yeah? 433 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 5: Sure, Tony Busby's our guest. 434 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 4: Michael Berry, we think sweet tea. 435 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: Wait, don't you think social less? 436 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 2: Coday buck ringing on the flock so notorious they got 437 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 2: to know that. I think Tony Busby is our guest. 438 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 5: He represents one hundred and probably counting alleged victims of 439 00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 5: Sean Comb's p Diddy Puffy, you know, the whole Tupac 440 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 5: Biggie rivalry. And if you don't, just rest assured. This 441 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 5: portends to be as big as Epstein case. In a 442 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 5: case like this, Tony for a for a plane if 443 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 5: you know you talked about I think twenty four of 444 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 5: the victims were under alleged victims were under the age 445 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 5: of eighteen. 446 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 2: They were miners at the. 447 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 5: Time and we were going to break I think you said, 448 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:27,439 Speaker 5: the youngest being nine. What does the claim for a 449 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 5: victim like that look like? Is there a specific amount 450 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 5: of money you ask for? 451 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 6: Not? Not typically, I mean I don't. It's kind of like, 452 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 6: what is the value of human life, it's impossible to 453 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 6: put a number on it. I mean, you obviously want 454 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 6: to get as much as you can for the client 455 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 6: based on the circumstances. But I rarely put a dollar 456 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 6: amount in the pleading unless the court requires me to 457 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 6: and kind of let the case work itself through the system. 458 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 6: And when we get to a point where we know 459 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 6: all the facts and know we know how you know, 460 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,400 Speaker 6: what the impact is, then we try to sit down 461 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 6: and come up with a number that's doesn't shock the conscience. 462 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 6: When we obviously were shooting high. I mean, that's what 463 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 6: I don't get paid. I get you know, people hire 464 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 6: me to get money. Unfortunately, the civil justice system that's 465 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 6: all it can do. Only it only provides money damages. 466 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 6: But one thing to note about about these cases specifically, 467 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 6: twenty four of these people were miners at the time 468 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 6: this happened. You know, you have parents who who were 469 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,720 Speaker 6: just in awe and just starstruck by by Shaan Combs 470 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 6: and who he was, especially back in this timeframe when 471 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 6: he was really big, back in the two from two 472 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 6: thousand to two thousand and fifteen twenty twenty timeframe, he 473 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,920 Speaker 6: was he was the guy. If you will, and parents, 474 00:27:55,000 --> 00:28:00,120 Speaker 6: you know, would willingly hand their child over to him. 475 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 6: I mean you mentioned Justin Bieber as an example. It 476 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 6: was fourteen. We know, Usher was I think twelve or 477 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:11,199 Speaker 6: thirteen when he connected with with Sean Combs. There's a 478 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 6: lot of a lot of children who were basically flown 479 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 6: and put into his care and he violated that trust 480 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 6: and you know a lot of there's some of the 481 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:27,199 Speaker 6: quotes that that that we have, you know from some 482 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 6: of these these kids, you know, just completely ruined their lives. 483 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 6: You know, they had these huge dreams of being a star, 484 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 6: and he made all these promises. You know, it's the 485 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 6: same mo. It's you know, I'm gonna you're gonna get 486 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 6: a record deal, You're gonna do this, You're gonna be 487 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 6: able to do this. But in order to do that, 488 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 6: you have to do this, and don't worry, it's everybody 489 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 6: does this. And then to loosen them up, you know, 490 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 6: give give kids drinks and drugs and and you know, 491 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 6: just essentially destroy their lives and then just when when 492 00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 6: they're when he's finished with them, you know, and makes 493 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 6: threats against them against their family of retribution if they 494 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 6: ever say anything about it. So that's kind of the 495 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 6: MO and that's kind of how it went for twenty years. 496 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:11,680 Speaker 6: According to these people. 497 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 5: You talk about the threats to silence people, and that's 498 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 5: a theme that's actually been out there for several years 499 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: of these threats. 500 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: Do you have folks who. 501 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 5: Alleged that the threats were ever acted upon, harm was 502 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 5: brought down on them as a result of talking, because 503 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 5: there have been people talking for a while. 504 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 6: Yeah. They There have been several different individuals who I've 505 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 6: personally spoken to, who who believe threats came down on them, 506 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,280 Speaker 6: but can't prove it. You know, from small things like 507 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,960 Speaker 6: all four of their tires being slashed, to you know, 508 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 6: things like that, things that you know, it's hard to 509 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 6: prove who did that, who is responsible for that, but 510 00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,880 Speaker 6: you know threats, explicit threats being made like keep your 511 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,360 Speaker 6: mouth shut, do this, don't do that, and then and 512 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 6: then you know, reminders of just this kind of I 513 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 6: guess you would call that petty, petty type crime of 514 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 6: people breaking you know, breaking a window or slashing tires. 515 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 6: But I don't have anybody who you know, was with 516 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 6: the exception of one who was who was you know, 517 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 6: physically beaten. I have one client who who alleges that 518 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 6: he was physically beaten and said you will be beat 519 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 6: again if you ever talk about any of the things 520 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 6: that happened. So you know this some of this, some 521 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 6: of these claims are and that's why, you know, you 522 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 6: want to say I believe every victim. But on the 523 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 6: other hand, some of this conduct is so outrageous and 524 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 6: you wonder, how could this go on with so many 525 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 6: people involved for so long? And I think it I 526 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 6: think it just it just re emphasizes that, you know, 527 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 6: Sean Combs uh in New York and l A was 528 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 6: a very powerful person. You know, he's he's hanging out 529 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 6: with Oprah, and he's hanging out with Leo DiCaprio, and 530 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 6: he's hanging out with all the politicians in New York 531 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 6: and California. And you know, he makes that very clear 532 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 6: to these people that you know, not just the threat 533 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 6: of physical violence, but you know, I'll blackball you an industry. 534 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 6: You'll never do anything in this industry. And he has 535 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 6: a lot of different ways to leverage silence. And so 536 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 6: the good news is this wall of silence, or this 537 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 6: culture of silence obviously is now starting to crumble. And 538 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 6: I wouldn't be surprised if five hundred people show up 539 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 6: with legitimate, documented claims against him and his cohorts. 540 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently he blackballed a lot of people. It's disturbing. 541 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 5: You know, you talk about his power, are the perception 542 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 5: of power, It's hard to measure that. But he was 543 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 5: able to make people a star. He did have his 544 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 5: own label. There were people that he kind of brought 545 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,200 Speaker 5: up and made famous and personally benefited from. It's really 546 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 5: disturbing when you when someone asked, well, why would you 547 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 5: hand your precious child over to someone? 548 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: This is this? 549 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 5: You have to have suspicions that this could be happening. 550 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 5: I think that people make a deal with the devil 551 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 5: that this might make my child famous. And the pursuit 552 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,040 Speaker 5: of fame and the fact that he has this this 553 00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 5: star dust on him makes. 554 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 2: People do very, very stupid things. 555 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 5: I think people trusted, unfortunately, single moms trusted Jerry Sandusky 556 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 5: with their teenage boys and they end up they ended 557 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 5: up raped in a shower because of it. And that's 558 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 5: exactly what I think you're seeing here. 559 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 6: Thank you're right. And I can't imagine that the guilt 560 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 6: and shame they feel having done this, and certainly if 561 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 6: they had any suspicion whatsoever that it's even worse. And 562 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 6: I mean that'd be a hard, hard pill to swallow. 563 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 2: Yes, it would. 564 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 5: I'd like to have you back to talk about where 565 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 5: the Deshaun Watson case up at some point. I appreciate 566 00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 5: your time, Tony Buzby. 567 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: Thank you very much, sir, thank you. 568 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 6: Have a good day. 569 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: You know my problem with that interview now, I want 570 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 2: a kangaroo. 571 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 5: I sit in Undeita a message during the break and 572 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 5: I said, can we get a kangaroo? 573 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 2: And she said no, they hate dogs. She doesn't listen 574 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: to the show, so I knew she can. How'd you 575 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: know that? Because everybody knows that? How's everybody know that 576 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:31,840 Speaker 2: you're not from Australia. Oh, we could keep it in 577 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 2: the studio. Oh my goodness. What would we name him? 578 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 2: Huh Yeah. I could bring us drinks, hop around, have 579 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 2: a little Joey. We could talk about how the little 580 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 2: Joey was coming along. We could learn all the kangaroo lingo. 581 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 2: That would be top notch. That's kind of Diddy esque. 582 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 2: So let's not do that. That raises red flags.