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Speaker 1: much for having me? Well, you know, I always always

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Speaker 1: impressive when I see people because you've You've had a

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Speaker 1: journey in your life, and sometimes journeys can beat you down.

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Speaker 1: Some kind of journeys can wear you down. I just

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Speaker 1: see that when I'm looking at you and listening to

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Speaker 1: your Tina, I'm seeing a person who who basically um

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Speaker 1: understands the purpose of who you are and your father

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Speaker 1: obviously built that into you and say, hey, this is

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Speaker 1: who you are, this is who you can be control

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Speaker 1: your destiny. Is that key to what I'm saying that

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Speaker 1: Basically I know that's why I stopped acting and became

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Speaker 1: a writer and producer. I feel I can control my destiny.

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Speaker 1: Plus I've realized, you know, one day I even get old,

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Speaker 1: and I can probably stare right, I can probably steal produced,

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Speaker 1: I can stop creative. But they can minimize my success

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Speaker 1: based on my color and based on my age, but

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Speaker 1: they can never minimize my success based on how I think.

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Speaker 1: If I'm topical and I'm staying very current, and that's

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Speaker 1: what you are. You're very current and very topical, and

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Speaker 1: so it's seriousness coming out on HBO Max. You did

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Speaker 1: something very very much, very key audio book talk about

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Speaker 1: that whole relation and hearing the words articulated by the

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Speaker 1: brilliant actress, Can I tell you again? It was another

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Speaker 1: one of those I do think of my life, and

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Speaker 1: I talked about my life in spiritual terms because I

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Speaker 1: have had a lot of hardships. It has not all

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Speaker 1: been easy sailing trying to get to the top there.

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Speaker 1: You know, you hit a platform and then you uh

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Speaker 1: fall and then you're building back up again. So it's

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Speaker 1: been a long career. But sometimes along the way you

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Speaker 1: get these opportunities that just come to you. You have

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Speaker 1: to be prepared, you know. It's what they say that that,

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Speaker 1: you know, luck is opportunity met with preparedness, and I've

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Speaker 1: been prepared. I'm minding my own business on Facebook, and

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Speaker 1: I had an editor who at one point um had

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Speaker 1: had turned down my uh the opportunity to publish my book,

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Speaker 1: and I had said, I had posted that day, well,

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Speaker 1: if you guys are loving bridget In, don't forget my

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Speaker 1: book is still out where I wrote about Queen Charlotte,

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Speaker 1: and I put a you know, the cover of the

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Speaker 1: photo of the cover of the book on Facebook. Went

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Speaker 1: on about my business. Later on that afternoon, I got

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Speaker 1: a private message and it was Carol saying Tina, I

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Speaker 1: don't want to make the mistake that I made earlier

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Speaker 1: when when when we didn't publish your book, because look

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Speaker 1: what has happened to you and it and and and onward.

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Speaker 1: Um I am at recorded books now, I'm in acquisitions.

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Speaker 1: Is are rather are the audiobook rights available? Once again?

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Speaker 1: I go, whoa, I love you? So I go, yes,

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Speaker 1: yes they are, And she said, well, I would love

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Speaker 1: to acquire I would like to acquire them. We'd like

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Speaker 1: to do a whole big push. You will be in

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Speaker 1: charge of choosing, you know, who narrates your book. And

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, boy, I had a number of British actresses,

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Speaker 1: black British actresses that I thought could do a really

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Speaker 1: credible job. And she said, you send me your list.

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Speaker 1: She said, we also have a list of some people

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Speaker 1: who have worked and done audio books for us who

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Speaker 1: are also black female in British. Will send you their

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Speaker 1: names and then you go through you pick out the

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Speaker 1: one that you want to narrate your book. And my god,

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Speaker 1: their list was alphabetical, and at the top of the

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Speaker 1: list is Adua and and Adua. And for those of

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Speaker 1: you out there who don't recognize her by name, she

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Speaker 1: plays lady dan Berry on bridgertain. Absolutely he is phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: So as far as I was concerned, the search was

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Speaker 1: so I called Carol and I said, are you kidding me?

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Speaker 1: And he said, well, she's done like two hundred audiobooks

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Speaker 1: and I said, this is the actress. She will give

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Speaker 1: it the class and mcgravta. She will also do other characters.

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Speaker 1: She's an amazing, amazing actress. I knew of her prior

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Speaker 1: to bridget In and so I said, please tell me

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Speaker 1: that we can can have her and she says, I'll

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Speaker 1: get back to you in a couple of days and

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Speaker 1: you're hum. A couple of days later, she said, Adua

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Speaker 1: is yours. So working with this phenomenal actress who made

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Speaker 1: that book come to life, oh Rishan, it was. It

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Speaker 1: is an experience for anyone who listens to that. But

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Speaker 1: I you know, at at certain points in time, no

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Speaker 1: no joke, I will listen to the audio book and

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Speaker 1: I'll say, wow, I wrote that, Yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's an act That's that's brilliance of her bringing in

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Speaker 1: your life. But you know, I want to I want

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Speaker 1: to say this before we wrap up the interview, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's it's something about being prepared. That really comes across

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Speaker 1: when I when I when I shared this interview, and

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Speaker 1: I hope people listen. When when she got the call

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Speaker 1: for Roots, you know, despite dire consequences that happened in

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Speaker 1: her life, pride to that she was ready when she

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Speaker 1: got the call for Jackie Kennedy on Nassas. You know,

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Speaker 1: despite the success of Sally Heimming and her and it's

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Speaker 1: a project with African American female talking about an iconic white,

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Speaker 1: white American female. She was ready when she got the

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Speaker 1: call about the rights to her book, Charlotte Sophia. You know,

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Speaker 1: she was ready and not only ready, but also to

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Speaker 1: be bold enough to say this is the one we

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Speaker 1: should select. There's something about that that really rings true

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Speaker 1: about your life, Tina Andrews, and it makes it very

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Speaker 1: special that your your decision. Are you a person who

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Speaker 1: understands what you want to do in life and has

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Speaker 1: led so much to your level of success. If you

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Speaker 1: had to give someone some advice before we acted here,

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Speaker 1: what would you give somebody advice who's watching the show

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Speaker 1: and listening to this interview on money making conversations, I

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Speaker 1: that is do not. First of all, do not let

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Speaker 1: anybody tell you what you can't be. You will show

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Speaker 1: them who you are, which means who you can be. Um,

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Speaker 1: try not to follow the road that is that is

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Speaker 1: whittled down by heavy traffic doing what everybody else is doing.

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Speaker 1: You create your own road and do that thing that

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Speaker 1: It's okay to be singular and unique and authentic because

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Speaker 1: So say it. I love it. Thank you for coming

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Speaker 1: on mynd to make a conversation, Tina Andrews. Thank you

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