1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stefan 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,240 Speaker 1: never told you a production of iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: Annie. I know we've talked about hip hop a little 4 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: bit throughout all of our seasons slash episodes. No, we 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: talked about it for the Birds of Prey series because 6 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: it has a bomb soundtrack and we love it. Meg 7 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 2: the Stallions on it. We heart Mega Stallions. We've actually 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: talked about her a lot, and we've talked about Massaga 9 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 2: Noir in the hip hop world as well. So I 10 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 2: know you know a little bit. But if you had 11 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: to say, if you had to pick one woman hip 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: hop artist that you were like, yeah, I dig this, 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: who would it be? 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: Oh? No, it is very early in the morning, listeners, 15 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 3: I thought, I don't have a good I love the 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:07,960 Speaker 3: Birds of Preise soundtracks, so that us making the Stallion 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 3: does your cat on it? 18 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: I love that. 19 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 2: It's okay, we'll come back to it because we're going 20 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 2: to go into the definitions and the definition is different 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: than what I thought. So today we are excited to 22 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: talk about the world changing genre of hip hop and honestly, 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: as we've researched and we're getting ready for this episode, 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: realize that there's a lot maybe that I haven't learned personally, 25 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 2: and so I'm like, yeah, I'll enjoy the music, but 26 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 2: knowing the background and some of the historical context to 27 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 2: it and how young it is, like, it's not as 28 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: old as I thought it would be, even though it 29 00:01:44,560 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: shouldn't have been a surprise. In fact, again, yesterday, I 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: think again we talked about the five that you and 31 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: I talked about this, and I really thought I knew 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: what hip hop was and even try to give you 33 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: a very generic explanation, But as we delved into this, 34 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 2: I realized it wasn't completely right. It's not wrong, but 35 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 2: not right either, And the genre in itself is broader 36 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,679 Speaker 2: than just about music and different from other forms of 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: music that we often confuse it with, such as rap 38 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: and R and B, even though it could be a 39 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 2: part of it. So my simplified version is hip hop 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 2: is more rap and less R and B. Again, it 41 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: seems it could be both or neither or just one. 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: So it's kind of like what, not just what, but 43 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 2: just listening to the fact that this is a movement 44 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 2: more than just a genre. So again, FYI, as we 45 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: start this year in twenty twenty three, it marks the 46 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 2: fiftieth anniversary for hip hop, and this is kind of 47 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: while we're doing this episode, Yes, yes, just to be honest, 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: and we couldn't celebrate without talking about the history and 49 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 2: the women in the industry who made and continue to 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: make history in hip hop. And as we begin, we 51 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 2: want to go ahead and start with those definitions that 52 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: we're talking about, and again it's not as clear, so 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: we're gonna go from different sources. According to Merriam Webster, 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 2: it is quote a cultural movement associated especially with rap music, 55 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: and then it goes on to say also the styleized 56 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: rhythmic music that commonly accompanies rap also rapped together with 57 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: this music. So kind of yes, as I said, I 58 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: was like, thinking, we'll rap than R and B, and 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: I gave you examples, but I would argue that both 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: like Beyonce and TLC, who from what I gathered, lean 61 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 2: towards the R and B would be hip hop. But 62 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: again maybe you know again, I'm just like, huh, because 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: at first I was like Beyonce, I thought that that 64 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 2: was an R and B. But then as I see 65 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 2: the definitions, like she's a culture, she's a movement, who 66 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: knows and it is her Internet, as we've said before, 67 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 2: and for its technicalities. One article describes hip hop music 68 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: something that includes rhythm and blues and beatboxing. 69 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: Okay, and breaking that down. Masterclass describes it this way. 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: Hip Hop music is a varied musical genre, but most 71 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 1: hip hop songs incorporate several common elements. One strong rhythmic beat. 72 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: A rhythmic beat is the strongest unifying factor of hip 73 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: hop music. It can be fast and aggressive or slow 74 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: and relaxed, but it carries the song steadily forward and 75 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: serves a backchop for vocal performance. Most beats in hip 76 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: hop songs aren't simple dum lines. Beat making is a 77 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: complex and varied art form that results in other songs 78 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: and sounds. Two vocals. The majority of hip hop songs 79 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: incorporate rapping as their main vocal style, a rhythmic, usually rhymed, 80 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: type of chant that interplays with the beat. Other vocal 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,560 Speaker 1: styles include singing, spoken word, auto tune, and ad libs. 82 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: Three breaks. Break is a term for long percussive periods 83 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: in a hip hop song. In the nineteen seventies, DJ 84 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: Cool Hirk is credited with developing the concept of a 85 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: break and encouraging dancing called break dancing, breaking, or b boying. 86 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: During these instrumental measures, Modern hip hop songs often include 87 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: breaks to harken back to the genre's roots or encourage dancing. 88 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: I have to tell you, I feel so nerdy right now. 89 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 3: I love it. 90 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: I need it. Look, we need it. 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: And to be honest, outside of living it, I don't 92 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 2: think people actually talk about what it is and what 93 00:05:28,279 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: it really encompasses. There's even a debate about what it 94 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 2: is in different articles that I read. It gets territorial, 95 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: I will say that. So even for us to understand 96 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 2: it in an academic measure, because that's what we do. Yeah, 97 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,839 Speaker 2: more research base. It is nerdy. We are breaking down 98 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: a very cool genre into show. I read this and imagine, 99 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: but we're gonna keep doing it because that's how we are. 100 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 2: In another article titled what is hip pop Music, they 101 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: describe it like this. Hip hop is a musical genre 102 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 2: from the inner cities of the United States. In the 103 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: nineteen seventies, in New York City, African Americans, Jamaicans, and 104 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 2: Latinos combined rhythmic drum beats, djaying, and rapping to create 105 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 2: a new and unique musical genre. Rappers usually provide the vocals. 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 2: In hip hop songs, these musicians use rhythmic vocal technique 107 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: over the music of a song instead of instruments. The 108 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: backing music tracks come from DJ playing records and performing 109 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: turntablists techniques. Hip hop songs combine a variety of genres 110 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: such as R and B, funk, disco, and dub, and 111 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 2: can even sometimes include spoken word. So again like it 112 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 2: kind of just encompasses all of that. They further break 113 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: down the characteristics similarly to master classes, but add the following. 114 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: So they add MCing and this is the lead of 115 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: the song. They'ugh most have singing and background vocals. This 116 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: includes the rappers that can be also called MC's DJing 117 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 2: and turntablism. And this is where the two turntables and 118 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,600 Speaker 2: mixer not microphone comes in, which loops in US samples records, 119 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: and this is where we see the beginning of scratching 120 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: as a form of musical technique, so using the record 121 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: to make that I'm not gonna. 122 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 1: Do it, yes, you know it, you know it. 123 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 2: There's also drum machines such as the roll intor eight 124 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 2: O eight and if you've heard people referencing in they're 125 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 2: apps eight oh eights. This is what they're referencing, and 126 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: good old beatboxing that is used to make the beats. 127 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: And I'm also not going to try that because I 128 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: know I'm not cool. 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, at least we're aware. But again that is 130 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: a bit more simplistic than what it has become. As 131 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: one article put it, hip hop has expanded from just 132 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 1: being a music genre but to a lifestyle. In an 133 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: article written in the Digital Musical News dot com, they 134 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: write the hip hop movement, for its part, consists of 135 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: wrap and several cultural elements, including one's lifestyle and experiences. 136 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: Looking at what hip hop has become, it has become 137 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: a way of life, a cultural style. The article compares 138 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: the difference between rap and hip hop, saying rap represents 139 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: a rhythmic style of vocal recitation that's popular in most 140 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: of hip hop's top songs, but it's just one component 141 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: of the broader hip hop cultural movement. And the article 142 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: quotes mrs As saying you could be a rapper, and 143 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: you could be a musician, and you could be a 144 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: pop star, said mrs. But it doesn't make you hip hop. 145 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: Hip Hop is definitely it's a culture. There's elements to it. 146 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: There's all types of things that go along with it. 147 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: And as music industry, how to dot com writes, hip 148 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: hop is more than music. It's a culture that was 149 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 1: cultivated within inner cities of the United States but has 150 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: become a worldwide powerhouse, influencing modern music and generations to 151 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: come right. 152 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: And we've talked about that when we talked about K 153 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 2: pop in itself and how big it has spread. It 154 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 2: spread faster than I thought, but yeah, and how it's 155 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: taken on the entirety of the globe today. And as 156 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: the state of hip hop continues to influence and change, 157 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: we can see how it's grown so large but has 158 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 2: also been about a cultural way of being and not 159 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: just a type of music genre. So let's talk about 160 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: the history of hip hop. 161 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: You ready, yes? 162 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 3: Yes? 163 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: So in the busy areas of the Bronx in nineteen 164 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 2: seventy three, Dj cool Herk made music history. During a 165 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: party to celebrate his sister, DJ Hirk developed a new method, 166 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: the break, which we mentioned earlier, which according to Educations 167 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 2: through Music, it is where the instruments jam out together 168 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: with very little vocal additions. This was a section where 169 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: folks could really let loose and show off their dance foods. 170 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 2: He soon would extend the breaks into longer sections known 171 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 2: as loops, and he kept going as that same article, right, 172 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 2: he decided to try something new. He would play a 173 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: break from one song and once he had finished, he 174 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: would go into the break of another song, and he 175 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:56,560 Speaker 2: would call this method the merry go Round, which we 176 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: know is the modern day DJing. Again, this is really 177 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 2: nerdy way of explaining what's happening in the world of 178 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 2: hip hop. We are definitely the non black people explaining 179 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 2: hippyness all right anyway, But it wasn't until nineteen seventy 180 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: nine that the term hip hop would actually be used. 181 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 2: It was the sugar Hill Gain who would coin the 182 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 2: term in their famous and first Billboard charting hip hop record, 183 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,079 Speaker 2: rappers Delight. We all know this rap? 184 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I actually have an embarrassing story about it, 185 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: but yes I do right along with I was talking 186 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: about this because I didn't know it was such a 187 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: long song, and I told somebody I knew all the lyrics, 188 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: and he was like, oh really, and I was like, yes, 189 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: I knew all the lyrics to the shortened one, but 190 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: I did not know it was such a long version. 191 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: And I embarrassed myself and I still think about it 192 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: to this day. 193 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: Oh you thought you knew? I did? So did you 194 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: go poor white girls? 195 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: The type of moment, Well, it was also a white guy, 196 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 1: so but yeah. 197 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, but they're more connes sitting probably. 198 00:10:56,960 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: Again. 199 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,240 Speaker 2: This started the genre of hip hop spreading through out 200 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 2: in New York and it spread throughout the nineteen eighties 201 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: even wider around the world. 202 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: So, now that we have the basics of the beginning 203 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: of hip hop, let's talk about the legendary women of 204 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: the hip hop world. So did you know that one 205 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: of the people who helped release sugar Hill Gang's Rappers 206 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: Delight was legendary R and B writer, singer, and producer 207 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: Sylvia Robinson. Here's what bill Board had to say about her. 208 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: She's arguably one of the most consequential producers and label 209 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 1: owners of all time. Her business opened the doors for 210 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: all the independents that followed, from def Jam to top Dog, 211 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: and her music pioneered distinct concepts that set the template 212 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: for hip hop's entire creative arc. From party rocking to 213 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: the DJ as musician to social consciousness. Sugar Hill made 214 00:11:54,400 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: everything possible for today's hip hop stars. Her works were legendary, 215 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: but that isn't to say a lot of people tried 216 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 1: to erase it. It was known through her time in 217 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: the music industry many did not properly credit her for 218 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: her hard work, including her work for Iken Tina Turner, 219 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: which she claimed she had quote paid for the session 220 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,439 Speaker 1: taught Tina the song That's Me Playing Guitar, which had 221 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: earned their first Grammy nomination for the song It's Gonna 222 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 1: work out fine. 223 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,440 Speaker 2: Right, And I think in the article it says that 224 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: the Amel producer who owned the label was actually credited 225 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,960 Speaker 2: for that instead of her, which we've seen. 226 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: A lot yep. 227 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: However, her work was undeniable. She would later be named 228 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 2: chairman of Epic Records, which happened only one other time 229 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: before her, especially on a major record label for a 230 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 2: black woman. So she was definitely making some headway. And 231 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: as for the historic first hip hop record, according to 232 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 2: that same Billboard article quote the creation story of rappers, 233 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: Delight is oft told how Sylvia's teenage son Joey, assembled 234 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 2: three of his friends, none of them experienced rappers, Henry 235 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: big Bank, Hank Jackson, Guy Ghee O'Brien, and Michael Wonder 236 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 2: Mike Wright at her studio to write and perform the rap. 237 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 2: How Sylvia instructed her studio band to replay the instrument 238 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 2: to Good Times as the song's musical bed. How the 239 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,959 Speaker 2: resulting fifteen minute long track caught fire at radio at 240 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: a pace beyond even Sylvia's divine vision. How fans across 241 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: the country grappled and then grooved with this strange talking record. 242 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: Sylvia's epiphany birthed a million musical revelations. Perhaps no people 243 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 2: were stunned as much as the creators of this rap style, 244 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: who were across the Hudson River in New York and 245 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 2: had never heard of any crew called the sugar Hill Gang. 246 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 2: And it continues. Sylvia named the act after the fancy 247 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 2: Harlem neighborhood that loomed over her own childhood home, one 248 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty seventh Street. She re christened her label 249 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 2: with the same moniker, making a clean break from the 250 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: all platinum debacle, and there was a lot of issues there. 251 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 2: The new record was Sylvia's Brainchild, produced by her but 252 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 2: financed in an arrangement that Joe had broken by Levy 253 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 2: and Joe's her husband. She slapped a writing credit for 254 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 2: herself on Rapper's Delight, even though many of the lyrics 255 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 2: were crude from Curtis Fisher, known as Grandmaster Kaz, who 256 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: had tossed his notebook to Big Bank Hank with the 257 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 2: shrug and the studio band played music composed by sheikhs 258 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 2: Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards, who had to retain an 259 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 2: attorney to secure their rightful credit. Now, with all her 260 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 2: amazing work came a lot of controversy in drama, and 261 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: there's a lot of criticism about how she did things 262 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 2: and what she did in the name of money, which 263 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 2: again eventually led to the end of a sugar Hill 264 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: record as well as the divorce from her husband's slash 265 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: partner at the time. Soon after, she did start another 266 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 2: record label called Bona Mee Records in nineteen eighty nine 267 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: that would signed a new up and coming talent, Naughty 268 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: by Nature. You down with opp and he no, okay, i'. 269 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: See I didn't. I was reading it and I was like, 270 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: what is that? And then when you said it, I 271 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: was like, ah, yes, I have heard that. 272 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 2: I was hoping you were going to respond with, yeah, 273 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 2: you know me, but you know what, it's okay. Unfortunately, 274 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: towards the end of her life, not everything was a 275 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: happy ending, but no matter what, her works and her 276 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: contributions are legendary and help build the foundation of hip hop. 277 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: And then, in nineteen seventy nine, the first female group, 278 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: The Sequence, was formed. Not only were they one of 279 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: the first groups, they were the first assigned to a 280 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: major label and have their album go gold. Their influence 281 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: was so big that many use their music, including Doctor Dre, 282 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 1: who sampled their voices for one of his hooks. The 283 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: Goot comprised of three childhood friends from Columbia, South Carolina, 284 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:42,560 Speaker 1: Cheryl the Pearl Cook Gwendolyn Blondie Chisholm, and Angela ANGIEB. Brown. 285 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: Though they are not largely recognized today, they were the 286 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: beginning for so much in the hip hop world. Here's 287 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: a quote from a Rolling Stone article. The group recorded 288 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the hard grooving sugar Hill Record single Funk You Up 289 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy nine, one of the very first hip 290 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 1: hop songs ever etched to Vinyl. Though never officially certified, 291 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: it was a nationwide smash, serving as the first rap 292 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: hit performed by women and only the third rap song 293 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: to chart in the top fifty of Billboard's hot soul 294 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: singles thrust from a South Carolina housing project into the 295 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: national spotlight. The Sequence were also America's first Southern rap group, 296 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: and in a seventies landscape where the few rap records 297 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: that existed were chorus free rhyme marathons, the Sequence seamlessly 298 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: mixed singing and rapping, unwittingly paving a lane for artists 299 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: like Lauren Hill, Drake and future. Gangster rap came out 300 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: of my mouth? Did you know that? Says Cook. She 301 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: takes a minute to speedily cycle through her verse on 302 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty single and you know that to get 303 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: to the smoking gun, I said, We're not confunction. Were 304 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: not the Gap or the sugar Hill girls with the 305 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: gangster rap she recites with force. Were not Chic or 306 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: sugar Hill. Were the Sequence girls with the gangster thrill? 307 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: We were the only ones talking about gangsta in records. 308 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: It came out of my mouth. They never truly got 309 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: the credit that they deserved, but they definitely left a 310 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: mark in the industry, being one of the first Southern 311 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 1: hip hop groups, as well as signing with sugar Hill 312 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: Records and touring with fellow artists. They were icons in 313 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: the industry, but deserving of more praise and for money. 314 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and if you will go back to the Rolling 315 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 2: Stone article if you ever want to read about them, 316 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 2: they do talk about the side that they got screwed 317 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: over a lot, a lot, including not getting credit for 318 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 2: their work. Then we have the mother of the mic, 319 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,800 Speaker 2: Sharon Green or better known as shaw Rock, who was 320 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 2: a Bronx based rapper. She was a member of the 321 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:37,000 Speaker 2: first hip hop group that appeared on national TV. The 322 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: group called Funky four plus one starting out as a 323 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: B girl. As we talked about before, it says bee boys, 324 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: but here they say big girl starting out as a 325 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 2: B girl or breakdancer. Was signed as the plus one 326 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: for the group on the sugar Hill Records in the 327 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 2: late seventies. Her style influenced many of the later mcs 328 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 2: such as MC Light and DMC of Run DMC. Here's 329 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 2: a quote from Kimbero McLeod uses, a scholar about Shahrock. 330 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: A unique aspect of the group was that Shawrock wasn't 331 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: portrayed as a sex object, but was more or less 332 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 2: considered equal among the male members of the group. Aside 333 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 2: from the minor success of the all female sugar Hill 334 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 2: Records Rap Crew. The sequence Funky four plus one signified 335 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: the last moderate success of a woman rapper in the 336 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: industry until Roxey and Chantey and Salton Peppa came along 337 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 2: in the mid eighties. So the legendary MC's paved the 338 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,360 Speaker 2: way for so many and even performance on Saturday Night Live. 339 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 2: Here's a quote from her from an NPR article. The 340 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,199 Speaker 2: very moment I got my taste for hip hop is 341 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, as a be girl, you know, being 342 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 2: out there breakdancing and watching young kids move around throughout 343 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: the Bronx, traveling as a nomadic bee girl and bee boy, 344 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 2: just to hit those break beats. The mceing came in 345 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy seven. The first person that I saw breakdance 346 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: was friends of mine that had went to junior high 347 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 2: school with me. They taught me what it was to uprock, 348 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 2: which what it was to just hit the bees whenever 349 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 2: you hear that certain break beat and she goes on. 350 00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:05,400 Speaker 2: The circle was always male dominated. It was a young 351 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: male sport at the time. I was sort of like 352 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: a tomboy growing up, but there was just a feeling 353 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 2: that you knew you had to be a part of it. 354 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 2: Some of us was living in poverty, politicians always doing 355 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: their own thing. So when we came within that circle, 356 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: that was our way to get away from all the 357 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 2: other negative stuff. I mean, just being out there in 358 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,119 Speaker 2: the street and just listening to some of this, the 359 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: sounds of the music and the percussion, it just gave 360 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: you a feeling like you could just take on the world. 361 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 2: It just empowered you as a woman. And she went 362 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: on to talk about her time as being the first 363 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 2: female MC. She says, in late nineteen seventy seven, I 364 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 2: became the first female MC, but at the time there 365 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: were only two male mcs in the organization, Keith Keith 366 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 2: and KK Rockwell. And then at the beginning of seventy eight, 367 00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 2: we added another MC to the group, Rayhem. This is 368 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 2: how we became the original Funky Four. Then you had 369 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 2: the Furious Four, which was a Grandmaster Flashes group. They 370 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: had four male members. So the Funky Four and the 371 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 2: Furious Four before we became the Funky Four plus one, 372 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: and before they became the Furious five, we created the 373 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 2: first rap battles in the history of hip hop culture. 374 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: That means groups going against each other. I was the 375 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: first and the only female MC to ever battle anybody. 376 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: I was always a secret weapon in order to compete 377 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,199 Speaker 2: with my group. A lot of other groups were scrambling 378 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: trying to find female mcs that can be able to 379 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,159 Speaker 2: deal with shah Rock. I never felt no kind of 380 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: way because my group had always let people know out 381 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 2: there in New York City or wherever we traveled, whether 382 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 2: it was Connecticut, Washington, d C. Any place up and 383 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 2: down the I ninety five corridor, that MC Shahrock was 384 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,719 Speaker 2: the best female EMC and that they had the best 385 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 2: female EMC ever. And she truly was receiving many awards 386 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: in her lifetime, including the Honorary Award from Council of 387 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: New York and the Women's Distinction Award by the Hip 388 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: Hop Cultural Center. 389 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: And then we have the legendary rock Sane Chante also 390 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: known as Lolita's Chante. Gudin Chante began at the age 391 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: of nine and would go on to put out an 392 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: instant hit Roxane's Revenge, which was the pushback to Roxanne 393 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 1: Roxanne by UTFO in nineteen eighty four, which was the 394 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 1: first answer record which could be placed under a distracker record, 395 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: and this was a way of calling out others by 396 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: name and fyi. She was one of the first to 397 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: do this. She also was someone who helped other mcs 398 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: get exposure and helped their careers take off, including the 399 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: MC biz Markie. 400 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 2: Then, of course, we couldn't go past the amazing talents 401 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,679 Speaker 2: of saltan Pepa and y'all. They fuelled me in my 402 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 2: middle school days. Their records and tapes not only made 403 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 2: you move, but as a young girl, fed you lines 404 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 2: that made you feel powerful, confident and I'm sorry, as 405 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 2: we said back then, all that apologies, but I had 406 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 2: to be said. As one of the first women hip 407 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 2: hop groups, they flipped the narrative on its head. During 408 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 2: a time when rappers were objectifying women, the ladies of 409 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: Salt and Peppa came out blasting about their own actual 410 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 2: knees and ones and turning the gaze back on the men, 411 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 2: and it was a successful tactic. Their debut album in 412 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty six, Hot Cool and Vicious made them the 413 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 2: first female hip hop group to sell over a million records, 414 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: and they quickly became the best selling rap group of 415 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 2: that time. Salton Peppa includes Ryl James aka Salt, Sandra Daton, Akay, 416 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 2: Peppa and djrel roper A Gay, DJ Spinderella, and in 417 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:28,439 Speaker 2: their debut record, there was the mega hit which is 418 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: one of my favorite and is still on my old 419 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 2: school playlists, push It. Here's a quote from the Riches 420 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 2: dot Com. The album included the single hit push It, 421 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 2: which became a massive success, reaching number nineteen on the 422 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: Billboard Hot one hundred chart. As mentioned in Billboard, the 423 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 2: song's infectious beat and catchy lyrics quickly made it a 424 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 2: favorite among fans, and the iconic ooh, Baby Baby Cook, 425 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 2: You're welcome became instantly recognizable. In nineteen eighty seven, DJ LaToya, 426 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 2: who was originally part of the group, parted ways with 427 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: a group and was replaced by DJ Spinderella, thus giving 428 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 2: birth to the iconic trio. The success of Push It 429 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 2: propelled Sultan Peppa to stardom and help them become one 430 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 2: of the most successful female graph groups of all time. 431 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: Their follow up albums, Assault with the Deadly Peppa and 432 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 2: Black's Magic, continue to build on their success and solidify 433 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: their status as trailblazers. Throughout the nineties, Sultan Pepper continued 434 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: to release hit singles and albums, including Very Necessary, which 435 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:31,680 Speaker 2: included the hit song What a Man and Shoop. The 436 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 2: album became a huge success, selling over seven million copies worldwide, 437 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 2: as reported by You Discovered Music. Yeah, they also had 438 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 2: None of Your Business, which was one of my favorites. 439 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 2: And I just love screaming that and that that album 440 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 2: is still so good. Guarantee you're going to see people 441 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 2: trying to carryoki either What a Man or Shoop today. 442 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 2: It isn't just that their music was that good, but 443 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 2: they inspired so many and brote down barriers. Here's another 444 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: quote from the article. Saltan Peppa also broke down barriers 445 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 2: for women in hip hop. They were one of the 446 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 2: first female rap groups to achieve mainstream success, and their 447 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 2: success paved the way for other female artists to follow 448 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 2: in their footsteps. Salton Peppa has also received several accolades, 449 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: which include a Grammy Award for Best Rap Performance by 450 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 2: Duo or Group, multiple nominations from American Music Awards, three 451 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: TV Video Music Awards, and two VH one Hip Hop Honors, 452 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: and in twenty twenty two, the iconic trio presented a 453 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 2: star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, as reported by People, 454 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 2: for their unparalleled contribution to hip hop. These awards were 455 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: all very well earned by the group and they continue 456 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: to inspire other hip hop artists today, including Megan thee 457 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: Stallion and so many more. 458 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: And we have to talk about MC light. Mc lights 459 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: are Lana Michelle Moore was the first woman rapper to 460 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: release a solo album, but that isn't the only thing 461 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: she was known for. She was known to take on 462 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: issues of misogyny and sexism within her lyrics, so much 463 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: so she would eventually be credited with helping transition hip 464 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: hop from just good times to being a quote socially 465 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: conscious form of expression. Her work has influenced so many, 466 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: including Queen Latifah, Little Kim, Missy Elliott, and Lauren Hill. 467 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: And of course, her work has gotten her many accolades 468 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: including Icon Lifetime Award, I AM hip Hop Award from 469 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: the b T hip Hop Awards, and honored with the 470 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: Lifetime Achievement from the Hip Hop Inaugural Ball and so 471 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: many more. 472 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 2: Right, this would lead us to the legendary nineties my 473 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 2: era with the likes of Missy Elliott, Lauren Hill, Little Kim, 474 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: Foxy Brown. That era is incredible. There's so many more 475 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 2: that I've missed out, but so good so good. I 476 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 2: would put TLC probably in that era too. Queen Latifa, 477 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: who was the first solo female rapper to earn a 478 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: gold certification and even was the first female rapper to 479 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: get a star in the Hollywood Walk of Fame, and yeah, 480 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 2: she has become a household name. Her work influenced a 481 00:25:59,080 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 2: whole neutener race. 482 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,639 Speaker 1: Then we have Little Kim, who is not afraid to 483 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: be her sexy self. As xxlmag dot com put it, 484 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Little Kim's sexuality was front and center in nineteen ninety 485 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: six the release of her debut album Hardcore, with lyrics 486 00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 1: such as I used to be scared of the dick, 487 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: Now I throw lips to the handle it like a 488 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: real Little Kim boldly embraced her sexual exploits, something no 489 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: other female rapper had really done before her. She's often 490 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 1: considered the first to take the never ending objectification of 491 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 1: women and throw it in men's faces. And Samantha, I 492 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: appreciate you laughing at me off screen. 493 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 3: Oh my god, I love that you had to rease that. 494 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: And her works vote for Itself, selling over fifteen million 495 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: albums and creating her own iconic fashion statements that have 496 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 1: been talked about for years. 497 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: Now do you I don't know. Do you know what 498 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: the boob jiggle? 499 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 1: I mean I know of boob jiggle. I don't think 500 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: I know the boob jiggle. 501 00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: Well, she was on the red carpet and I don't 502 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 2: who she was talking to, but she literally had a 503 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 2: pasty that she was the first one to do with 504 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 2: this like she had it was a beautiful alve it 505 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: and knew her breasts were like just kind of of 506 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 2: paisty one of them. And the person who was interviewing her, 507 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 2: I forgot it was decided to tap it on the 508 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 2: red carpet. 509 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is. 510 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: But that moment lives in history of MTV moments. 511 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Okay, no, I have not heard of that. HM. 512 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: So many thoughts. Well, this brings us to Lauren Hill, 513 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: who is a woman of many talents. From the beginning, 514 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: many new Hill would be successful. Her time with the 515 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 1: Fujis blasted her into hip hop fandom, and her solo 516 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: projects would become a sensation. Here's a quote from you 517 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: discover music dot com releasing The Miseducation of Lauren Hill 518 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety eight to public and critical acclaim. Mixing 519 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: neo soul sounds with powerful feminist lyrics. Hill delved deep 520 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 1: into the complications inherent in womanhood, motherhood, black femininity, and 521 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 1: the music business. HiT's like Do Wop That Thing, Everything 522 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: Is Everything, Lost Ones and X Factor still sound as 523 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: fresh and compelling today as they did at the time 524 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: of their release. And this album debuted at number one 525 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: on the Billboard one hundred, the first chart topping for 526 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: a female MC, and would go on to win the 527 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 1: Album of the Year trophy at the Grammys, a first 528 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: for a female rapper. 529 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: Then we have Missy Misdemeanor Elliott. She is a legend 530 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 2: in every way. With four Grammys, a star on the 531 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 2: Hollywood Walk of Fame, over forty million records sold, and 532 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 2: being the first female rapper to enter the Songwriters Hall 533 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: of Fame, she has become another icon in the hip 534 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 2: hop industry. Here's a quote from a Refinery twenty nine 535 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 2: dot com article. Together with Timbaland, Missy helped create the 536 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 2: experiential sound that defined hip hop in the late nineties 537 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: and early two thousands and solidified the success of several 538 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: of our favorite black artists and groups. But Missy is 539 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: more than a musician. She is a visionary artist who 540 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 2: is willing to reimagine the world she inhabits using visual elements. 541 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: Remember when she pulled her own head from her body 542 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: in the minute Man video, or when she seemed to 543 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 2: be the queen of some creepy underground species and get 544 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: your freak one. How many times have you seen a 545 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 2: poorly recreated version of our iconic costume from rain super 546 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: Dupa fly with black trash bags? That was an interesting, 547 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 2: interesting video. And yeah, the legends that she worked with 548 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 2: included Aliyah as well as Left Eye from TLC. Like 549 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 2: she definitely creates a lot of amazing music and still 550 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: does till this day, even with her diagnosis of Graves disease, 551 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 2: she is still trucking in that music industry. So these 552 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 2: are only a few of the many legendary women who've 553 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: been impacting the world of hip hop. Of course, today 554 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 2: there are new icons coming into play, from the Queen 555 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj to Megan thee Stallion to Lotto to Doja 556 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 2: Cat and so many more. And with new mediums such 557 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: as social media platforms like TikTok and YouTube, more and 558 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: more talented artists are stepping up to be a part 559 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,200 Speaker 2: of this hip hop culture and being discovered in new ways, 560 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 2: creating new music videos or music takes dance challenges, which 561 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 2: we didn't even talk about. Dance in the hip hop 562 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520 Speaker 2: world as well, which is something that I love seeing 563 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 2: and I love watching because it's so visually pleasing. And Yeah, 564 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 2: with all of these amazing works, we didn't really delve 565 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: into any of the controversies that happened within the hip 566 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 2: hop industry, especially when it comes to women and Black 567 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: women in the industry, as well as queer women in 568 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: the industry, because we are celebrating today, but there's a 569 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: lot to be said that that needs to be fixed, 570 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 2: that still needs to be addressed today. We see issues 571 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 2: constantly when it comes to black women rappers and what 572 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 2: they do, and we should always be aware of that 573 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: because it is something that should never be forgotten. 574 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, hard degree, But we hope that you enjoyed 575 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 1: and that you can take a moment to celebrate. Maybe 576 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: listen to your favorite hip hop songs after this. I 577 00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 1: know I've got some songs I want to go go 578 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: listen to and send your favorites along or anything we missed. 579 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: You can email us at Stephanida mom Stuff at iHeartMedia 580 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: dot com. 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