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Speaker 1: Can you think about if paparazzi were following you around

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah? That mean well yeah, and I like, look

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Speaker 2: But then I think back and she was like what

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Speaker 1: You know, actually probably think she's also still so isolated too,

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Speaker 1: Like it's like she has no reference of reality. She's

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Speaker 2: So some of them are like Madonna and Katy Perry,

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Speaker 2: This is Britney doing it in her house by herself. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Mom's heard her card and stuff so closely, like she

433
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: couldn't do a purchase like that. So she was like

434
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 1: it was just the most I couldn't even do positive

435
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: things for the people that I wanted to do these

436
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: things for. I don't know, I guess I'm saying all

437
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,479
Speaker 1: this to say, if you're watching Britney Spears Instagram, before

438
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 1: you make a judgment, go listen to the story. And

439
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 1: I'm not saying again that there's not mental health that

440
00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: she's going on now. But I think for me, like

441
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,639
Speaker 1: looking at the why it just gives you more empathy

442
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 1: of like, well, I would have probably react like she's

443
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: just fucking human. She's not a robot or some sort

444
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,239
Speaker 1: of thing that can like absorb all this stuff and

445
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 1: not have a reaction, right.

446
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,400
Speaker 2: You know, it's because she's famous. We put her on

447
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 2: this like pedestal that she needs to totally perfect. And

448
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: at the end of the day, Brittany may have ended

449
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 2: up with the same whatever she's dealing with, she may

450
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 2: have ended up with the same exact conditions. If there

451
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: are conditions that she has whether or not, this is

452
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 2: the path to get there, you know, Like, and at

453
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: the end of the day, she's a human being and

454
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: she deserves some empathy, you know, Like she has given

455
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: us a lot. She's given us a great time, so

456
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: many hits, and you know, I make the pledge to

457
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: Britney Spears and I'm not even like a huge Britney

458
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 2: Spears fan. So it's like I should shock.

459
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 1: Gay, are you? You know? Sometimes I'm just like like her,

460
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: but like you know, like the Kardashians like Brittany.

461
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:39,359
Speaker 2: At least Brittany had some talent. But I you know,

462
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 2: I'll pledge to Brittany like I'm not. I'm gonna stop

463
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 2: judging her, you know, and I want to make that

464
00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 2: like that's something that like is not mutually mutually exclusive

465
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 2: to Brittany. It's like something that I I need to

466
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,040
Speaker 2: work on. I you know, I grew up in a

467
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: household where my it was just something that people did.

468
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 2: There was like open judgment about people. And it's funny

469
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 2: because I recognize when I'm in my household, when I'm

470
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 2: visiting my family, like I recognize that I like hold

471
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 2: my it's more my mom, like because my dad doesn't

472
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: really talk about anything, but like I'll hold my mom

473
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: accountable for it. I'm like, why do you care? Like

474
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: why are you saying this? Like well, but then I

475
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 2: also catch myself.

476
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: To then we're doing it too.

477
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 2: I know I'm right, and so you know I have

478
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 2: to be better about, you know, walking the walk and

479
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 2: talking to talk. Well, the thing that I wanted to

480
00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 2: bring up was I so on my flight, I watched

481
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: a documentary that's actually five years old and it was

482
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 2: based on a book that's ten years old. It's they've

483
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 2: got the same title. It's called Far from the Tree.

484
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,320
Speaker 1: You mentioned this last week briefly on the podcast.

485
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the film is directed it's a documentary and

486
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 2: it's directed by Rachel Dretsen. I think is how you'd

487
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 2: say your last name. And the full title of the

488
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,119
Speaker 2: book is Far from the Tree, Parents, Children and the

489
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,639
Speaker 2: Search for Identity And it's written by Andrew Solomon, who

490
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: is a gay man and he's also featured in the film.

491
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 2: And the film just blew my mind because it's basically

492
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 2: it focuses on the idea that all parents deal with

493
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,359
Speaker 2: children that become that that are not who they imagined

494
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: they would be. And that's whether your child is completely

495
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 2: healthy or not. You know, like every parent has a

496
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 2: dream for their kid and then they I think it's

497
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,879
Speaker 2: really easy for them to forget that, Like everyone's an

498
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: individual that's going to come with their own issues and

499
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 2: problems and dreams and identity and all of these things.

500
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 2: And the greatest thing that you could do for your

501
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 2: child is just to love them for who they are.

502
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously Andrew's Andrew's point of writing the

503
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 2: book was you know, he says in the film, he says,

504
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 2: it's almost an apology letter or like a to his parents,

505
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: because I think there was a lot of anger and

506
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 2: he you know, kept a huge part of himself from them,

507
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: and in writing this and trying to understand his family,

508
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,360
Speaker 2: it became a really deep dive just into family. And

509
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 2: so I have I just got the book, so I

510
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: haven't read it, and it's like a lot longer than

511
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,720
Speaker 2: I was expecting, but and it's but it's broken down

512
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 2: by sort of like different categories. But anyway, in the film,

513
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 2: they like obviously they focus on parents dealing with having

514
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: a gay or lesbian kid. There's also the story of

515
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 2: a family whose teenage son is now in prison for

516
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: life because one day before school, he waited at a

517
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 2: walking path for an eight year old and slit the

518
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,919
Speaker 2: kid's throat and it was like out of nowhere. The

519
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,919
Speaker 2: parents were like, what are you talking about and then

520
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 2: when they got to the jail, they saw their son

521
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 2: kind of sitting there and they just knew whatever went

522
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: down was awful. And then there's also a family that

523
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 2: is dealing with a child that has autism, and you know,

524
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: ultimately it was like he was struggling to communicate, and

525
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,639
Speaker 2: there's this like really incredible moment where you know, they

526
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 2: were taking him to all kinds of specialists and he

527
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: would just act out and hit them and like he

528
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 2: was nonverbal and he would make noises, but like very frustrated,

529
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 2: and he finally found a specialist who had this like

530
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 2: it looked like a typewriter, but it was literally just

531
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: like the letters in circles, and he started touching letters

532
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: and spelling out words and he said to them, I'm

533
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 2: trying and I'm really smart, is what he wrote out

534
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: to them, and the mother like burst into tears and

535
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 2: she said, she says in the interview, she goes, I

536
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: felt like I was meeting my son for the first time,

537
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 2: and it became this thing where it was like they

538
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: because it was really frustrating for them too, Like they

539
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: have this like kid who they think might even just

540
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 2: be evil because he can't communicate and he's just mean

541
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: to them and acts out all the time. And then

542
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: suddenly he's able to communicate and talks about his hopes

543
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: and his dreams and wanting to have a girlfriend and

544
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,359
Speaker 2: and he gets this computer that he can type on

545
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: and it speaks for him, and it's so amazing, and

546
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: it's like just seeing that story of a family that

547
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 2: like won't give up, you know, And it's and then

548
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: there's they also follow this couple that they're both little

549
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: people and the thing and this is the one that

550
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 2: I told you about, what we were talking about, what

551
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 2: we want to talk about, Yeah, she says, so she

552
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 2: it's it's followed. It follows this couple that met online

553
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 2: and they end up getting married and she gets pregnant,

554
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: has a kid, and but she says, you know, it

555
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: really hurts when she hears about doctors that are studying

556
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 2: for a cure for her dwarfism, because she's like, I

557
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 2: don't feel like I need a cure. I don't feel

558
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 2: like I'm broken. And it was such an interesting perspective

559
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,000
Speaker 2: because it's like, you know, from where I sit in

560
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: an able body, like perfectly healthy, you know, it seems

561
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 2: like a great thing that someone would want to like

562
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: find a cure for this, so no one has to

563
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 2: like live that plight. But you know, I think the

564
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: point that like what resonated with me is the point

565
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: that we all miss is that if they are happy,

566
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 2: their life isn't you know, Like, who are we to

567
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 2: say that their life is bad if they've found happiness.

568
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 1: I sort of do feel like this. I think that

569
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: even in the beauty world so often lately, why do

570
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: we just assume everyone has to be the same or

571
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: else you're not good or it's like, you know, like

572
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: we put these big I feel it a lot lately,

573
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: like if you don't look like a Kardashian, you're not beautiful.

574
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: And it's like we're all starting to morph into the

575
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: same fucking human because for some reason, we've developed this

576
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 1: mentality that there's one size fits all in this world.

577
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 1: And the reason this world is what it is is

578
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: because we're all different. So it's like, instead of embracing

579
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: our differences, we've been trying to kind of all be

580
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: the same. But now we're all morphing into the same person.

581
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 1: And like that girl is saying, and she's like she

582
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like anything's broken, but we're sitting here as

583
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: a society trying to tell her something is wrong with you, right, like,

584
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: so you're not okay, and I mean I see besides

585
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: like of course you know you want health and.

586
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 2: So like you're worried about it struggling. Yeah, if you're

587
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 2: worried about people struggling, like it's coming from a good place.

588
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: But I think it's really important to try and understand

589
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 2: without making preconceived no judgments or whatever, like understand where

590
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: people are coming from, because you know, part of what

591
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: makes us so beautiful is that we are all so different,

592
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: you know. I I think there was a line in

593
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: the film too where Andrew said something like, you know,

594
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 2: kids come along to change their parents.

595
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: It's so true. I mean you heard every parents say that.

596
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 2: Though, right, and you know, but like most of us

597
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: are so fearful, especially like I can speak from my

598
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 2: own perspective obviously, but like from being a gay a

599
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 2: gay kid, it was like I was worried that I

600
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 2: would lose them, you know. And but you know the

601
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 2: truth is is you know, when I came out to

602
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: my dad, he said, I've never loved you more and

603
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 2: he knew me. Yeah, and it's like back to that

604
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 2: quote that I read from Jedediah's book, It's just like

605
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 2: the greatest thing that we can be to the world

606
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: is our truest self, and and for me that means

607
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: living my most honest life, but also allowing people to

608
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: live theirs and without judgment.

609
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: That's a hard one. I mean here, as I'm sitting

610
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: here and we're like, yeah, let's go empathy and no

611
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 1: judgment and whatever, like it is difficult. I was telling

612
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: my boyfriend earlier a story about a friend that we

613
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: just deal with life differently, and I find myself constantly

614
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: wanting to like poke holes in her theories about stuff.

615
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Speaker 1: And I was saying to him, I'm like, I don't

616
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: know who the fuck I think I am. Like, she

617
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: is so entitled to go live her life exactly how

618
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: she wants to fucking live it. Why, like you say,

619
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: why do I care? Like it's just I really should

620
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 1: want my friends to just be as happy as they

621
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: possibly can. And if we have differences, we just have differences,

622
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: and that's okay. But I don't need to, like, I

623
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: don't know what that need is inside of me to

624
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: not be able to just like go, okay, good for you,

625
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: and you know, like and to have to voice my

626
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: opinion like it. I don't know, does that mean I'm

627
00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: just like, well, I.

628
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 2: Think it's I think I think what it comes from

629
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 2: is And you know, I don't mean this even in

630
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 2: a bad way specifically to you. I just mean in general,

631
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 2: like we all inherently want to be right about things,

632
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: and we want to feel like we're like we're on

633
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 2: the good side of everything because we want to be

634
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: good people. Most people want to be good people. But

635
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 2: we all make mistakes and that's fine, and obviously our

636
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: experiences shape who we are and the way that we

637
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 2: feel about things and the way we see the world

638
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,640
Speaker 2: and all of that. But at the end of the day,

639
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 2: it's also possible to coexist and not agree on everything

640
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: and have differences of opinion, but be willing to have

641
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: conversations with people and stretch your mind and see if

642
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: you're willing to change your opinion, and if you're not,

643
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: that's cool as long as like your kind well.

644
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 1: And the thing that we were discussing is a situation

645
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: that I've already been through, and so I think I

646
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: felt like one of the things I've been saying to

647
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Speaker 1: myself and I just kind of struggled with that this weekend.

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Speaker 1: But like, one of the things I want to say

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Speaker 1: to myself often is are they what are they asking

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Speaker 1: of me here? Like are they asking for advice? Or

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Speaker 1: are they just asking me to listen? Like those kind

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Speaker 1: of mentalities, because a lot of times I think we

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Speaker 1: offer advice when it really wasn't what anyone was asking for.

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Speaker 1: And this was a situation of that, Like I was

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Speaker 1: offering advice because it's something I've experienced, but that wasn't

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Speaker 1: what was being asked of me, and so it ended

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Speaker 1: up being somewhat of a disagreement. I think I heard

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Speaker 1: her feelings like I had to apologize because it was like,

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Speaker 1: oh wait, that wasn't why she was telling you that story.

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Speaker 1: She didn't care. It's not like she's like, hey, Kelly,

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Speaker 1: what do I do here? You know? So I think

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Speaker 1: those kind of things are just interesting to think about.

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Speaker 1: We're kind of getting off on a little tangent here,

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Speaker 1: but it all does tie into just these old narratives,

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Speaker 1: Like right now our culture just feels so overrun with

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Speaker 1: opinions and judgment and everyone just needing to say why

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Speaker 1: you're wrong and why I'm right, and fighting and blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. And I do feel like there's kind of

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Speaker 1: this movement amongst some of us that are just like

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Speaker 1: this is exhausting. This has got to stop, and we're

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Speaker 1: missing the bigger picture here, like we're all connected, we

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Speaker 1: all are humans, and there's usually a bigger story. So

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Speaker 1: let's try to get to a place of understanding each

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Speaker 1: other more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think it's like the best place

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Speaker 2: to starters ourselves by shedding the bullshit, like yeah, just

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Speaker 2: shed it, choose to And I mean it's obviously it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a process for all of us. It's

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Speaker 2: not going to happen overnight. But my example of the

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Speaker 2: guy in the bathroom that I thought was dressed like

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Speaker 2: a douchebag, like I checked myself.

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Speaker 1: I hope he ends up being your bestie.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: Oh well, that's what this month is all about. It's

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Speaker 1: just shedding different narratives. So if you guys are thinking

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Speaker 1: of any as you're listening to this, or you have examples,

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Speaker 1: you can always email us at the Edge at velvetsedge

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Speaker 1: dot com. I highly recommend the Britney, but it's what

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Speaker 1: is it called? Why am I blanking? I'll put no

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Speaker 1: it's not peace of me, the woman in me. It's

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Speaker 1: all about her own discovery of finding the woman inside

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Speaker 1: of her, and I don't know, it's it was really empowering,

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Speaker 1: honestly to listen to. So I'll put the link of

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Speaker 1: that in the description of this podcast, as well as

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Speaker 1: the documentary that Chip listened to that he keeps referencing

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Speaker 1: as well. I really want to watch that. It sounds amazing,

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Speaker 1: it's really good.

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Speaker 2: I think it's I think everyone should watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's on that note. What'd you say?

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Speaker 2: I said at some point, at.

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Speaker 1: Some point, I think November is a great time while

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Speaker 1: you're shedding. You know, anyway, on that night, you guys,

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Speaker 1: as you go into your weekends and you're living on

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Speaker 1: the edge, I hope you always remember too. Ad so

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Speaker 1: mellow today. Okay, we're gonna get racy next to r

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Speaker 1: It isn't ther Oh my god. Okay, we'll switch it

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Speaker 1: up next week. By