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Speaker 1: Hi, everyone, Welcome back to post run high. Today's episode

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Speaker 1: is a bit of a twist because instead of our

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Speaker 1: usual post run chat, I took a walk through Central

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Speaker 1: Park with Chris Cuomo and the conversation was truly just

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Speaker 1: too good not to share as a full podcast episode

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Speaker 1: in addition to my typical short form videos. For those

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Speaker 1: of you who don't know, Chris is an Emmy Award

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Speaker 1: winning journalist. He's the host of The Chris Cuomo Project,

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Speaker 1: and he's someone who has reported on some of the

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Speaker 1: most important news stories. You may know him best for

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Speaker 1: his time at CNN, but after being let go, he's

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Speaker 1: since built a new platform for deep thought provoking conversations,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to learn all about it today. Chris

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Speaker 1: is also a part of the legendary Cuomo family. Their

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Speaker 1: family is truly a New York staple, so it was

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Speaker 1: such an honor to be able to go on a

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Speaker 1: walk with him today. His dad, Mario Cuomo, served as

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Speaker 1: a three time governor of New York and his brother

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo also served as governor. The Cuomo name really

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Speaker 1: carries a history of leadership, and Chris grew up right

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Speaker 1: in the middle of it. So during our Walk, Chris

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Speaker 1: opened up about his career, his family, and what keeps

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Speaker 1: him grounded through it all. I'm really excited for you

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Speaker 1: guys to hear this unfiltered conversation with Chris. He also

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Speaker 1: showed us his go to workout routine when he is

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Speaker 1: in the park, so I'm excited for you guys to

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Speaker 1: listen before we jump in. If you guys are enjoying

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into our conversation with Chris.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what's up, guys. Chris Cuomo from News Nation. I'm

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Speaker 2: from Queens, New York, and I'm walking.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love having native New Yorkers on

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Speaker 1: the running interview show, The Walk and Interview Show Today.

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Speaker 1: So are you a big walker? Do you like going

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Speaker 1: to walks around the reservoir?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Usually I walk with three dogs, but when I'm

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Speaker 2: in the city, they're not here, so I walk easier

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Speaker 2: on the joints and allows me to do my phone calls,

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Speaker 2: so I can walk and talk and I often shoot

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Speaker 2: myself walking and talking about what I can tell you

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Speaker 2: guys about what I've learned that I don't want you

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Speaker 2: to repeat, uh huh. And I also do a different ways.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I stop and do calisthenics, which I can do

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Speaker 2: today and show you. And sometimes I do strideouts or sprints,

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Speaker 2: and I just believe it's the best thing for me.

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Speaker 1: I love walking around the reservoir. I went to Fordham.

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Speaker 1: I know you went to Fordham Loss. Yeah, we got

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Speaker 1: a little bit cammon there and I used to run

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Speaker 2: Oh so you were one of those people who had

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Speaker 2: passed me on the left.

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Speaker 1: On the left, I was one of those annoying people

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Speaker 1: was like, Kate, it is so rude for you to

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Speaker 2: Yeah. The fast people usually on this one are on

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Speaker 1: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: Brought us walkers. You know, we're pretty accommodating, all right,

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Speaker 2: Should you.

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Speaker 1: Show us some of your paliesthetics?

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Speaker 2: Why you like to do so, I'll get out of

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Speaker 2: the way, right because you know, New Yorkers. They can

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Speaker 2: doing these, everything is it's got to be easy and smooth.

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Speaker 1: Well you're doing it on your fists as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeastrology, easy and smooth, nice and easy. Not too many,

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Speaker 2: just keep doing them all the way around, and every

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Speaker 2: movement I do. As you get older, you learn about

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Speaker 2: the intentionality of the movements. So it's not about number

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Speaker 2: So you do them, get up airs squats. For me,

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Speaker 2: So do some squats, and you can ask me whatever

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Speaker 1: I know. Fitness has always been something that you've talked

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's a big part of mental health and a

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Speaker 1: It absolutely does. I was just gonna say that I

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Speaker 1: Your family is a staple of New York and has

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Speaker 1: So I've been here now for ten years. Actually I

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Speaker 2: Well, you'll see as you continue your journey as a storyteller.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh, that in the worst of times you see

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Speaker 2: the more you see them being their best, sacrificing, coming

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Speaker 2: And you know, again, that's not how I was raised.

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Speaker 2: It's not what being a New Yorker is about. I

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Speaker 1: On that note, kind of just calling like a you know,

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Speaker 2: Pretty much anyone can walk if they're able bodied, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, he was an arguer, and I would be him,

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Speaker 1: Walk us through what we're doing right now? More pushing.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I just you know, I do the push ups.

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Speaker 2: Here's what matters. No, No, do them on your regular hands.

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Speaker 1: You're kicking my ass.

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Speaker 2: No, that's good. You did enough. Don't do too many,

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Speaker 2: and then we're not with the air squads. You have

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Speaker 1: So what did you do yesterday?

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Speaker 2: A lot of weight training and.

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Speaker 1: You're balancing weight training with calistatics.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I spar and I fight train, so

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Speaker 2: because I'm too pretty.

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Speaker 1: You're sparring? Well kind of is this like? Is it

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Speaker 1: like jiu.

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Speaker 2: Jitsu or no? It's self defense?

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Speaker 2: Here's the difference. All fight systems, and there are a

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Speaker 1: Your advice for that, because like you're right, like, this

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Speaker 2: Got two dynamics, right, You got knowledge and wisdom. I

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Speaker 2: You know, here's what you got going for you. In

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Speaker 1: It from being in the public guy. When you first

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like twelve.

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Speaker 2: One of the reasons I'd never be in politics myself

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not that we just love to eat.

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Speaker 2: Certainly in today's politics, my my grandparents would have been

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Speaker 2: The name changed they were debased. It was put in

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Speaker 1: I grew up in an Italian American family as well

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Speaker 2: You're Italian on both sides. Look how far our people

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Speaker 1: The Italian American people out there are going to love

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Speaker 2: That, but it really is different now. I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: have to look at it. Obviously, there are many different

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Speaker 2: lessons we're living right now as a community is that

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Speaker 2: I thought that Jews had assimilated into whiteness the same

436
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Speaker 2: way that I have as an Italian or as Irish,

437
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 2: or as Polish or as German, and they haven't. To

438
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Speaker 2: me now just makes them more special, more of a

439
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Speaker 2: protected class of people, you know what.

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Speaker 1: Like the way you described the Italian culture, I feel

441
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Speaker 1: like relates in a lot of ways to what it

442
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Speaker 1: means to be Jewish right there.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we oriented with one huge difference. What a

444
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Speaker 2: legacy of persecution. Look, Italians have had their own hard time,

445
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Speaker 2: certainly in this country. But you know, it's like saying

446
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Speaker 2: that calling me Fredo is the same as the N word,

447
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 2: which once I was trying to make people understand why

448
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: Italian slurs are so hurtful. But it's not like the

449
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Speaker 2: N word, and I actually analogized to it early on

450
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Speaker 2: I help people understand, and I realize, no, there is

451
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Speaker 2: no link to the word and a period of oppression

452
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: that was completely inhuman And for the Jews it's the

453
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 2: same thing. So the Jews have a resilience that is

454
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Speaker 2: born of an awesome but ugly motivator, which is existential threat.

455
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Speaker 2: And I don't think that people get that.

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Speaker 1: I did an interview with Dana Prino and she told

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Speaker 1: me like one of the things her dad always did

458
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Speaker 1: was the dog lady had to Yes, she had to

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Speaker 1: read the headlines of you know, the newspaper kind of

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Speaker 1: every day and then have be able to have a

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Speaker 1: discussion about one of the articles with her dad. And

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, like, growing up, you know.

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Speaker 2: No, my father was way more insular because everybody knew

464
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Speaker 2: what he was doing, you know, and those were big

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Speaker 2: items on the table. His talks were more about why

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Speaker 2: that was the only question he cared about, uh huh,

467
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Speaker 2: And that's the only care question I care about. In journalism.

468
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: Everybody else can tell you who, what, where and when.

469
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: It's all about why, about why things are happening. And

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Speaker 2: for my father, it was always more personal about what

471
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Speaker 2: you were doing with your life, with your time with

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Speaker 2: your family, with your kids, with your partner, and why

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Speaker 2: why were you doing it? And any position you had,

474
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 2: it was what's motivating that position. So right now everybody's

475
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Speaker 2: in a what mode right, which is politically, what party,

476
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Speaker 2: what's your pet peeve, what's your point of division? And

477
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,239
Speaker 2: my father would have said, stop and think about it.

478
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Speaker 2: That's why I'm not just against the party system. I

479
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Speaker 2: believe that the hope for our democracy is in people

480
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Speaker 2: being independent, critical thinkers. And that was actually the best

481
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Speaker 2: sign of this last election. I found Biden and Trump

482
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Speaker 2: both to be woefully lacking as representatives of what America

483
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Speaker 2: can generate in leaders, but more people voted as independent

484
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Speaker 2: than we've ever seen before. It's amazing, and I really

485
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Speaker 2: think that that's the promise. My pop wouldn't have liked

486
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Speaker 2: it because he was a Democrat, but his party doesn't

487
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Speaker 2: exist anymore, and the Republicans that I married into their

488
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 2: party doesn't exist anymore, So you know, I think he'd

489
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Speaker 2: be all right with it? Over time, democratization of media

490
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Speaker 2: good is more, always better, not necessarily. What do we

491
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Speaker 2: have now? An accountability gap? Okay, people say legacy media,

492
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Speaker 2: mainstream media, what do they really mean. Don't watch them,

493
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Speaker 2: watch me. They don't tell you the truth. I've been

494
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: in it a long time. I have a podcast. It's

495
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: been doing well. I'm surprised. It's great. However, I have

496
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Speaker 2: learned something I screw up on the podcast, which is

497
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 2: really easy. Because digital media is so much about provocation, right, provocativeness.

498
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Speaker 2: Where's the accountability? You're gonna get owned on Twitter? There's

499
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Speaker 2: gonna be a community. Note. When you work at the

500
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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal, you fuck up, they sue you. Their standards.

501
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 2: There's accountability. You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose your job.

502
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Speaker 2: We don't have that in independent media yet, and it matters.

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Speaker 2: For instance, I'll give you just a simple for instance.

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00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,239
Speaker 2: You will not hear someone on New Nation, certainly not

505
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Speaker 2: on my watch, say there was no water in the

506
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Speaker 2: pumps in Pacific Palisades. Why because that's not true? That's why? Well,

507
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 2: what was true? They had pressure issues? What's the difference?

508
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: One is about supply and miss or malfeasance by management.

509
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: The other is a circumstantial reality of what they were

510
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Speaker 2: up against, meaning they were fighting on hilltops, a number

511
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Speaker 2: of fires and intensity of fires that their infrastructure was

512
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Speaker 2: not set up for, and what they say, no infrastructure

513
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Speaker 2: could have been set up for. Now that's the truth.

514
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Speaker 2: So why do you hear so many.

515
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Speaker 1: Click bit headlines?

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Speaker 2: Almost right, no water in the pumps newsome bad. I

517
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Speaker 2: can't say that, why it's not true? And I'm going

518
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: to have like ten people call me from in house.

519
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: You shouldn't have said it in real time, in my ear,

520
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 2: And that's why on my show very often I stop

521
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: whatever I'm saying and I'll say, look, here's why I'm

522
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: saying it. This is what he said to me, this

523
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Speaker 2: is what I was told. You don't have that an

524
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Speaker 2: independent media. Now, look, I don't want a bunch of

525
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: them all together. Verry wise, great outfit, free press. I

526
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 2: know people don't like her position on Israel, but again

527
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Speaker 2: I think she's articulated it well to explain the perspective.

528
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: It's very personal to her and it should be. Schellenberger

529
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Speaker 2: Taibi and there are a bunch of other independent journalists

530
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 2: who come from the world of journalism and know the

531
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Speaker 2: skills and know the trade. But guys with like a

532
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Speaker 2: hat like this sitting in front of a desk with

533
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Speaker 2: a microphone and cans on, who are telling you it's

534
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: all a conspiracy and COVID was a joke. They're getting

535
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Speaker 2: clickbait because they're playing on people's fears and prejudice and

536
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Speaker 2: they're getting a following, but they're full of shit.

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Speaker 1: I feel like there's so many issues. There's over communication,

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Speaker 1: there's people having shortened attention spans where they're not willing

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Speaker 1: to really do the research. They read a title and

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Speaker 1: they take it for you know, facts.

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Speaker 2: And what they and what they do is look. The

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Speaker 2: easiest thing to do in the business, yeah, is to say, hey,

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Speaker 2: I heard how any example, I heard how your husband

544
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Speaker 2: was talking to you. I heard how you were talking

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Speaker 2: to your husband and taking it out of context. And

546
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: you'll be like, no, you don't know, that's not what

547
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 2: we meant. But the audience will never get the benefit

548
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,479
Speaker 2: of that, and it's over and that that version of

549
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: you is now out there because of me, and you

550
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: can't fix it. You know that expression on ringing the bell?

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00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: So look again. Democratization of media good Okay, more ideas,

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Speaker 2: more better. The idea of censorship is anathema. A democracy,

553
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: you have to tolerate the shit. I have to tolerate

554
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: people having way more reach than I've ever had, no

555
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: matter what show I was on, when I know they

556
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: don't deserve it and don't warrant it with what they're saying.

557
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 2: That's democracy and the best ideas will win. You cannot censor,

558
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 2: and we're making that mistake more and more. I even

559
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 2: think it's happening on Twitter now under the new management.

560
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: I think that they are curating what they want. For instance,

561
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Speaker 2: Elon with this water thing, it was all over Twitter,

562
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: no water in the hydrants. He then goes to talk

563
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Speaker 2: to the firefighters, shoots a video of himself and they

564
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Speaker 2: tell him it's wrong. He doesn't blast that out and

565
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 2: say here's the truth. Why agendas? You want to do

566
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Speaker 2: another lapping?

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Speaker 1: Where do you think media is now going? And where

568
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Speaker 1: do you think people that want to be in the

569
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Speaker 1: space and want to be like me are like aspiring journalists,

570
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Speaker 1: where should we be positioning ourselves?

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Speaker 2: Well, look' that's tough, right, I mean, that's the burden

572
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Speaker 2: of choice. You have so many different platforms now and

573
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Speaker 2: I get that TikTok has been a more monetizable platform

574
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Speaker 2: for a lot of people. I don't understand their algorithms

575
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Speaker 2: and why their numbers seem to be so much bigger

576
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Speaker 2: than every other platform. My daughter became TikTok famous during COVID.

577
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: She did some clip that was out there that all

578
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Speaker 2: of you were doing, and her version of it got

579
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: like millions and millions of reviews. Whatever. I don't know

580
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Speaker 2: why their algorithms are what they are. But the more

581
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: important question to me is I don't know that the

582
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: proof is there that TikTok is this agent of China.

583
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 2: I have a problem with foreign interference in our democracy.

584
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Speaker 2: I don't know that TikTok is evidence of it. So

585
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: I think social media is evidence of it. But I

586
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 2: don't know that TikTok deserves scrutiny more than anybody else.

587
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: And I expect Congress to push back the ban, largely

588
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 2: because the right had a lot of energy on it.

589
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 2: Now Trump is against it, and I think that they're

590
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: about fealty more than loyalty to any principle. So I

591
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 2: think that TikTok's going to at least survive through what

592
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: the Supreme Court reckons, if not longer. But I think

593
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Speaker 2: that in terms of making your personal choices, I think

594
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Speaker 2: you've got to go in as many any directions early

595
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: on as you can, and then figure out what's working

596
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 2: for you and do more of it. You know, very

597
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: often young people are told pursue your passion. I don't

598
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 2: believe in that. I believe pursue what will get you

599
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 2: paid and be passionate about it, That's what I think.

600
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Speaker 1: But I do believe.

601
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Speaker 2: Double back there, right, But I'm saying, like, let's say

602
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Speaker 2: you love to do this and it ain't working, and

603
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 2: somebody offers you a job doing something else that pays

604
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 2: the bills and supports the family and gives you a

605
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: chance for advancement that you want, What are you gonna do?

606
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: Keep doing this? That's what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I feel always been like, figure out what you're passionate about,

608
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Speaker 1: and you know, if it's something that you're passionate about

609
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Speaker 1: and there's a way that you think you can monetize

610
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Speaker 1: it or figure out how to build a business around it,

611
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Speaker 1: that's amazing because I really do believe in the ethos

612
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Speaker 1: of do what you love.

613
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you gotta get paid.

614
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: You gotta get paid to do it, and I am

615
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Speaker 1: a total realist. And when I first started the show,

616
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Speaker 1: I have a family that comes from like completely traditional

617
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: finance family. My brothers went DL. My parents are total

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Speaker 1: like they push academics. So I was working in, you know, marketing.

619
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Speaker 1: I had advertising agency jobs. And when I started doing this,

620
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Speaker 1: my parents thought I was bat shit. They were like,

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Speaker 1: this girl's out of her mind with her a little

622
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Speaker 1: tripod going on runs of people. And then it started

623
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Speaker 1: working and my mom's like, did I quit my job

624
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Speaker 1: to work with you and help you prep for your interviews.

625
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't do that. What I'd ask your mom to

626
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 2: do is to figure out how to pick up advertising

627
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: and financing so you can expand the brand, you know,

628
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Speaker 2: And if she had stuff like that, that could be

629
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 2: really helpful. But I do. Look, I think that there's

630
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Speaker 2: got to be a synthesis of passion and practicality, and

631
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Speaker 2: I think your generation struggles with that because you got

632
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Speaker 2: a generation of parents like me who want to give

633
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 2: you everything we didn't have, and a lot of it

634
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 2: isn't material, it's emotional and psychological. And that's why so

635
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 2: many of you you're a little older now, but so

636
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: many of you moved back getting after college, which would

637
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 2: have been unfathomable for me. When I left my house

638
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Speaker 2: at seventeen, the idea that I would ever live with

639
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: my parents again would have been only if I was

640
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 2: like hit by a car or something. Absolutely, and now

641
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,919
Speaker 2: it's very different. I also see it differently. I would

642
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 2: love for my kids to move back in, but I

643
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 2: don't know that that's best for them, right, No.

644
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: It's so true, And I'm curious, like, based on that.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've been walking the streets of New York

646
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Speaker 1: for a long time, these mean streets.

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Speaker 2: Out in these streets.

648
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Speaker 1: If you could go back and tell your younger self something,

649
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: your twenty something year old self who just graduated university

650
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: is now working in the real world, Like, what would

651
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: your advice be to your younger self?

652
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so what you're supposed to say is if I

653
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 2: changed anything, I wouldn't be where I am right, and

654
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: everything happens for a reason, right, here's my answer, I

655
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 2: would change everything. And oh, but then you wouldn't have

656
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 2: your kids. Maybe their spirits would be better off. I

657
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 2: don't know. What I'm saying is if I had a

658
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: chance to go back, I've made so many mistakes. I've

659
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: There have been so many times where I've taken risks

660
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: that didn't make sense and that I didn't take risks

661
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: that I should have. And sure, if there's an education

662
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: and all that, you can rationalize it any what you want.

663
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: But you have to take risk. You have to and

664
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 2: you cannot have a fear of failure. You can have

665
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 2: a very real fear of your inability to overcome. Yeah,

666
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: you are gonna fail, You're gonna fall, You're going to lose.

667
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: These things are gonna happen a lot, and you are

668
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 2: gonna have to use them. And I wish I had

669
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 2: known that sooner. Now as a parent, I'll give you

670
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,879
Speaker 2: guys advice heading into the baby game. You fight any

671
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 2: way you can to keep that kid from social media

672
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 2: as long as you can. This band in Australia no

673
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: one under sixteen. I think it's genius. Yeah, our parents,

674
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 2: my parents were afraid of the television, the boob tube,

675
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: eat your brain. Nothing compared to this. Social media makes

676
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 2: my kids think things, value things, not value things that

677
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 2: are It's so hard to offset and it is getting

678
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: the better of us. It is not a tool for

679
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: us the way it should be. We are being used.

680
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: We're being used by people with more sophistication who understand

681
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: our proclivities and our weaknesses and they're using them against us.

682
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: And I see it and I don't know what to

683
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 2: do about it, but I know it's real.

684
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, social media is a scary place, especially for

685
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: young kids. So it's a great point.

686
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 2: Look, I know it's a great it's an economic zone,

687
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: helps people connect, but you got to.

688
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: Look at the data exactly, have to look at the

689
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 1: data and like, at a certain point over communication isn't

690
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: necessarily a good time.

691
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Why are people spending more time alone than they used

692
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 2: to because they don't have to go out and be

693
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: with people anymore. They can just see them on there.

694
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: And I was just talking to somebody about this last night. Yeah,

695
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 2: I mean, we got to figure out a way to

696
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 2: let people know how much of the content's fake. Not

697
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 2: just AI, but that she doesn't really look like that,

698
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: he doesn't really look like that. That's not his face,

699
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Those aren't his abs. You know,

700
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 2: there's a lot out there that's for gazy, and people

701
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 2: are being sold things, this plan, this supplement, this thing,

702
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: so more is not always better, and I think we're

703
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: working our way through that with social you got to

704
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: balance that with not censoring ideas certainly of a political nature.

705
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: But it's tough and we're not on the right side

706
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: of it right now. No.

707
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like this new world that we're not going

708
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: to know the ramifications of it till or, you know,

709
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 1: fifteen years from where we are right now, because we're

710
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 1: really just in the beginning of like doom scrolling and

711
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 1: people being so connected to their felling brain rot. We

712
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: all like a little bit of dooms growing. Are there

713
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: any videos that you'll like enjoy watching if you're ever

714
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 1: on social media or not? Really?

715
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,439
Speaker 2: Yes, So here are my bad habits, just some of them.

716
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 2: I honestly believe. I mean this. Yeah, I could shoe

717
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: a horse. I'm telling you, I could shoe a horse.

718
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: I can fix an abscess and a cow's hoof. I

719
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: know how to use the tools.

720
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: Wait, I love those videos. I know exactly where.

721
00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,439
Speaker 2: The farrier videos farriers. I don't know that I could

722
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: get that things off between my legs. I don't know

723
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: that I'd be able to do that, and I don't

724
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: know that i'd have the strength and that those guys

725
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 2: have in their grip to do as much as they

726
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: do as many. But I'm telling you, I've learned how

727
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 2: to do it. I know how to do it. I

728
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,880
Speaker 2: know how to break the nails, I know which pincher

729
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: that is, and I know how to get the shoe off.

730
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 2: I know how to scrape it. I know how to

731
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 2: clip it. I know how to carve out the horn.

732
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: I know that it's called horn, and I know how

733
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 2: to burn that shoe. I know how to put it

734
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: back on, bang it flat. I did bodywork on cars.

735
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: I can figure it out. So I watch those This

736
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: lawn mowing guy, I'm you know, I can't see it enough.

737
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 2: I love watching him cut people's lawns. And I love

738
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: that there are all these jobs, the trades that people

739
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,479
Speaker 2: don't want to do because they think they're beneath them.

740
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: But now we're making people millionaires watching them do their

741
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: jobs online. Plumbers, welders, carpenters, framers. I love this renewed

742
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 2: respect for the trades. I think that's actually a big

743
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,640
Speaker 2: problem for our economy is we've lost the artists in class.

744
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: And I love seeing these guys out there who are

745
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: carrying the flame and letting people know, man, you are

746
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: so much better than someone who just works with their mouth.

747
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: You know that you can do shit with your hands.

748
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 2: I mean, as a man, it's like such a forgotten standard.

749
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 2: You know, like you're not surprised if some guy your

750
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: age can't change a tire or doesn't know how to

751
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 2: open his hood.

752
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: But if I asked my dad to do any of

753
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: that stuff for me, I'd be.

754
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: Like, I know he's got it, and we've kind of

755
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 2: lost that now. Look I was raised with it very specifically.

756
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: My brother's a master mechanic. He taught me a lot

757
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: of things. He taught me to figure it out. If

758
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 2: you tell me what to do, I can do it.

759
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 2: Simple things like maintenance fixing. I can do it. These

760
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: bolts are loose, this bracket has to come off. I

761
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 2: got to replace this part. I can do those things.

762
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 2: Andrew can listen to an engine and tell you what's

763
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: going on with the vehicle. Andrew can ride in your

764
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: car and tell you what's wrong with the suspension. And

765
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 2: that is the difference between a diagnostic mechanic, a master,

766
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 2: and a wrencher, which is what I am. And He's

767
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: been like that all his life with everything. Andrew is

768
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: a fixer. That's why he was so effective in government.

769
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 2: Andrew's not the best politician in the world. He's not

770
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: a smooth he's not a silk tongue. You know, he's not.

771
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 2: Everybody loves him because he's figuring out a way to

772
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 2: make everybody think that he's their best friend. That's not

773
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 2: who my brother is. If my brother likes you, you

774
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: know it, and you can count on him. If he

775
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 2: doesn't like you, you know it, and you can count on

776
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: that too. But in government, he fixes and I know it.

777
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: I've seen it, and people can look. Everybody has their opinions. Again,

778
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 2: he signed up for that. He signed up for the scrutiny,

779
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: he signed up for the attacks, he signed up for

780
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: the takedown, fair unfair, like it or not, that's how

781
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,959
Speaker 2: that game is played, especially in his party. But he's

782
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 2: a fixer, and he taught me how to fix. I'm

783
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: not as good as he, but and I don't. I

784
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,839
Speaker 2: sign up for a lot of shit. But I would

785
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 2: never sign up for what he does. I would never

786
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: sign up for politics. I mean, I'm exposed to it

787
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: enough as it is. I don't know how anybody goes

788
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: into elected office right now. Yeah, I mean, it's basically

789
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,000
Speaker 2: like it's you know, rubbing peanut butter all over yourself

790
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: and then walking into a pack of pitbulls.

791
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,240
Speaker 1: It's it, really, I mean, it's a suicide trap. It's crazy.

792
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: But I always have respected how much love and respect

793
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 1: and support you've given your brother. I think it's amazing,

794
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: and I think it's how family support, so should support

795
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: one another.

796
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 2: You know, people say to me what you just did

797
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 2: pretty often. I don't know any other way to be.

798
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 2: I think it's really important in life to learn the

799
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: lesson right you're gonna fail. The idea of learn, of

800
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 2: win or learn. I like that not easy to do,

801
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 2: but like, what would I do differently? Yeah, I mean

802
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 2: I thought about that a lot. I had a lot

803
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: of time to think about it after I got shit canned.

804
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 2: And what was I gonna do? I told people on TV.

805
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: Obviously I can't cover my brother. Obviously I support him. Yeah,

806
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 2: my boss is new. I never went after anybody. I

807
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 2: didn't do anything illegal. I didn't do anything wrong ethically

808
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 2: to anybody. I didn't try to help anyone have their

809
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: reputation hurt. What was I supposed to do? Not help him,

810
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 2: not talk to his team, not talk to him, not

811
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: give him ideas not do what I knew is tradecraft

812
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,240
Speaker 2: about what was being done to him in the media.

813
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 2: I just I don't understand how I would have done

814
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 2: it differently. And the only part of it that bothers

815
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 2: me because I live with my own choices, and I've

816
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: paid a price, no question about it. I'm paying it

817
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: right up until this very moment. But I really for

818
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: all the people who say, you should have known that,

819
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 2: you don't get involved with a political situation when you're

820
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 2: a journalist. What would you do if it was your brother? Yeah, Now,

821
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 2: the only answer that is a good one other than

822
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: my own is quit. I offered to quit multiple times

823
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: and was told it wasn't necessary, and then in fact

824
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: it was crazy. Now how much of that was because

825
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 2: I was the number one guy at CNN, I don't know.

826
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 2: But that's the only answer that people come back to

827
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: me with. I would have quit and just gone and

828
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 2: done that with him. Okay, I offered that, they told

829
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 2: me it wasn't necessary. Now, what would you do if

830
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 2: you can't change it and it's not helping you in

831
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 2: the present? Fuck it? Just roll on, roll on. There's

832
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: plenty more coming. If you want. We can do some

833
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: five five fives. You ever do those? Like five strides?

834
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 2: Five strides real easy? So I don't pull my hamspring

835
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 2: five strides middle, five strides seventy percent. You know what

836
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying. I don't run all out, especially in this weather,

837
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: because every I just get my break all the time.

838
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: It's like it's like I'm made of glass. If you

839
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:13,879
Speaker 2: wanna try, when you wanna situate yourself.

840
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,040
Speaker 1: All right, we're running, y'all.

841
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: So they very easy, non dynamic, right, So it's just

842
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: five strides. You just a one two three four five.

843
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 2: You pick it up one two three four five and

844
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 2: then about seven two three four five, then settle it

845
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: down and then you walk.

846
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: What do you do? Just turn off?

847
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: Is it?

848
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: Fifteen? Is it? You know?

849
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 2: I do a lot of things. I mean, you know,

850
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 2: one of the things that I probably have going for

851
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: me is that I am not really interested in myself

852
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: the way most of us in this business are. And

853
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 2: I married somebody who has no interest in what I

854
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: do as a career in terms of defining hers. She

855
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: runs her own business. She's a boss, and she's an entrepreneur,

856
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 2: and she's deep and soulful and about all these things

857
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 2: that I'm not So my escape is one I'm set

858
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: up to not want to pay attention to myself self loath,

859
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 2: and two I kind of fade into the wheat my kids,

860
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: their lives, her which she's about, my wife, my friends,

861
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 2: those pursuits. So I'll be writing something for tonight, but

862
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 2: I'll be just as interested about where the tuna bite

863
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 2: is and how I'm gonna get there and when I'm

864
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 2: gonna get there. And that's what I do is that

865
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 2: I don't make it all about how many followers I

866
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 2: got this week or what the ratings on the show

867
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: are wherever it is. I just you got to be

868
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 2: about something bigger than yourself.

869
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely. What I've loved about just kind of dabbling in

870
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: storytelling and journalism and you know this way is that

871
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be about yourself, which I think

872
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: is the best part about the job, but also the

873
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: worst part is then sometimes you get put on a stake.

874
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 2: Well, it's a challenge for you. Is digital media is

875
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 2: a little different. Individual outlet is a little different because

876
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: you are the brand, right this is the brand for

877
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: me News Nation. People are watching for you as much

878
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: as they're going to watch for the guest. I want

879
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: to get set up. We'll do another five five five,

880
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 2: so you haven't do it. Let's do it all right,

881
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: So five easy, five medium, and then at just about

882
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: seventy you know I'm ready yep one two three four

883
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:44,359
Speaker 2: five one thefts two three four five knees and drive

884
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: one two three four good good.

885
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: Chris would crush me in the sprint.

886
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 2: No, I'd probably pull a muscle in about nine strides.

887
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: Well, we are just kind of talking about one of

888
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: the things that I have to get better at is

889
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: talking about myself.

890
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 2: More so it's different for you than it is for me.

891
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,720
Speaker 2: I have specific things in my life that everybody knows about, Okay,

892
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: so I discuss life through the lens of someone who's

893
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 2: lived ups and downs right as everybody does. I'm just

894
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: ahead of you because I'm older and I've had more

895
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: shit happen to me. You have a different bar, which

896
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 2: is you have to connect with people where they are

897
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: in the moment, with their ambitions, and the way for

898
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 2: you to do that is to find common ground. So

899
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 2: you want to avoid what comes easiest to people, which

900
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 2: is talking about what makes you special, because a lot

901
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: of other people may not have that. So you have

902
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 2: to figure out what that common ambition is. Whether it's like,

903
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:52,000
Speaker 2: let's say something simple, I want to run a half marathon, yeah,

904
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: and so do you, And I'm going to show you

905
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 2: how I got to do it so you can do

906
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 2: it too. That's a sweet spot and you have to

907
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: find that with all of these things. How let's say

908
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: what happened at the fires? It's got to be something

909
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 2: that is relatable to a common question, a common concern,

910
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 2: that kind of vibe, and that's what you have to do,

911
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:15,960
Speaker 2: and life will present them to you, you know, as

912
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 2: a as a young couple, but you're also gonna have

913
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 2: to remember what to keep.

914
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Speaker 1: Your own exactly. I have a hard time talking about myself,

915
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: to be totally honest, because I love so much to

916
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: tell other people's stories and that's kind of the craft

917
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: that I want to hoe. Sometimes I'm like, what if

918
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: people want to know about me? And that's where I

919
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: get it wrong, because I know a lot of my

920
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: audiences are like, tell us about yourself.

921
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: They're gonna want to know about you. They're gonna want

922
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 2: to know about this. He's good looking, so you're gonna

923
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 2: have to squeeze him in a little bit. I agree,

924
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,280
Speaker 2: and look and just go with it, and just remember

925
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 2: that there's also a big part of it that's just you,

926
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: that's just your friends, that only you guys have to know.

927
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 2: That's your life. It's not for anybody else. Be very

928
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 2: guarded about that. The intimacy matters it, the privacy matter.

929
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Speaker 1: Guys. We've done two laps around the reservoir. You're in

930
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: Central Park, sout thirty degrees. I'm cult, but I gotta

931
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: ask you.

932
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: It's because you're skinny, if you were build for winter

933
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: like me two hundred and thirty pounds of bad intentions,

934
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:15,720
Speaker 2: or you're walking around forever, I'm like a human igloo.

935
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I get to do more like that, I really know.

936
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Speaker 1: But what is a quote or motto that you live

937
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: by that.

938
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Speaker 2: I live by? Can't give it to you because I'm

939
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,160
Speaker 2: not consistent enough. But I will tell you I have

940
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: such a romantic attachment to what Teddy Roosevelt articulated as

941
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 2: the Man in the Arena. Oh, I love it, and

942
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,680
Speaker 2: I guess it was Kipling who put it together in

943
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 2: his famous poem. If I really believe that life is

944
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 2: about endurance and resilience and perseverance, I mean it's all

945
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: the comeback, all the time. Everything in life is lapses

946
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: when you're not who you needed to be, when you're

947
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: not how you needed to be, and what you do

948
00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 2: with it, And to realize it is not the critical accounts,

949
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: it is the person who is in there making the effort,

950
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 2: and that life doesn't always reward the right thing, it

951
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: often punishes it. The grind is the only glory there

952
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 2: is the effort, the ability to know I tried, I

953
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 2: did what I could. I helped this situation. I help myself,

954
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 2: I help my family, I help what matters and whatever

955
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: happens is out of my control. Being that person who's

956
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 2: fighting that fight means everything to me. So I came

957
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 2: back after getting fired. I wasn't going to, and I

958
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 2: got convinced by people I care about that I had

959
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 2: something I needed to give