WEBVTT - Let's All Go to the World's Fair

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 2>A production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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<v Speaker 3>Chuck and it's just us today. Jerry's out on vacation.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, she's at a conference, and this is the

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<v Speaker 3>stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, This was your idea, and something about it

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<v Speaker 1>just smacks of kind of classic stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>where we talk about a bygone era in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, we're talking about world's fairs today. Depending

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<v Speaker 3>on where you are in the world, you might call

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<v Speaker 3>them international expositions, universal expositions, you might just call them

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<v Speaker 3>expose if you're pressed for time. Sure, And I thought, maybe, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 3>we would just do this entire episode in gibberish that

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<v Speaker 3>only you and I can understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a great idea.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the one. We're finally gonna do.

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<v Speaker 1>It, all right, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 3>On second thought, let's not do it. Let's not do

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<v Speaker 3>it all right. So well, let's set the stage then

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<v Speaker 3>in plain English. It's hard to kind of understand now,

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<v Speaker 3>because we live in a world, and generally grew up

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<v Speaker 3>in a world that if we didn't have internet when

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<v Speaker 3>we were kids, we still had television, cable television, no less.

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<v Speaker 3>Before that, generations had radio and then yes, now today

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<v Speaker 3>we can basically go anywhere see anything, even stuff you

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to see, because everyone generally has access to

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<v Speaker 3>the internet, right. Yeah, before all of this, like being

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<v Speaker 3>exposed to new ideas, new things, seeing what the latest

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<v Speaker 3>cutting edge stuff was, that was not a common thing

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<v Speaker 3>for the average person, Like you just did not see

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of stuff, and that was generally the role

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<v Speaker 3>that World's fairs played.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was that, And like every time I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading about the different ones from the different nations, it

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<v Speaker 1>was very much like, hey, look at how great we're doing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Like I mean obviously trying to supur commerce

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<v Speaker 1>and trade and stuff like that, but a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>it was sort of showing off.

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<v Speaker 3>It was showing off. It was showing off, like all

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<v Speaker 3>the technological prowess and all the future ideas that are

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<v Speaker 3>coming down the pike that each country was working on.

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<v Speaker 3>There was lots of corporate exhibits eventually, and it sounds

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<v Speaker 3>to me like a cool place to have been. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>Like if I had a big list to pick from

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff I could go time travel too, I would

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<v Speaker 3>probably go to a couple of these.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh all right, so Woodstock, the inauguration of Jimmy Carter

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<v Speaker 1>and the World's Fair.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. Well, let's get into the history of this,

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<v Speaker 3>shall we.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because they didn't start as World's fares. If you

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<v Speaker 1>want to track the prehistory, you got to go to

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<v Speaker 1>the National Affairs. Sure, England was holding these in the

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen hundreds, barely. I think seventeen fifty four was the

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<v Speaker 1>first real one when the what would later be the

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<v Speaker 1>Royal Society for Arts, but before they got Royal, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess they were just the Society for Arts. They had

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<v Speaker 1>different shows and it was sort of like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the seventeen hundred, so it was the technology

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<v Speaker 1>of the time was like, hey, look at this cool

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<v Speaker 1>new loom, or look at this new cool way we

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<v Speaker 1>can press cider.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and there was this kind of this new idea

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<v Speaker 3>called industrial arts, which was essentially designing and inventing new technology.

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<v Speaker 3>And yeah, it was old timey, but for the time

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<v Speaker 3>it was pretty cutting edge. And this is what laid

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<v Speaker 3>the kind of the foundation for the idea of what

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<v Speaker 3>a World's Fair is all about, which is, look at

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<v Speaker 3>all the technological progress we're making. It I saw that

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<v Speaker 3>it was essentially inextricably tied together with the industrial Revolution,

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<v Speaker 3>that that's really what kind of gave them the oomph needed, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, steampowered oomph.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess not yet, but steam is coming. Don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>France would get involved. They saw what England was doing

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<v Speaker 1>where they're like, well, we can't let them best us.

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<v Speaker 1>So they started holding theirs also in the late eighteenth century,

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<v Speaker 1>and both of them again were like marketing themselves sort

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<v Speaker 1>of abroad but also to their own people, like hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look at how great we're doing the rest of France.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can feel good about being French. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 3>France becomes like basically the apex of world's fairs eventually

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<v Speaker 3>or international expositions. But England kind of took the crown

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<v Speaker 3>back first. And Prince Albert, Queen Victoria's husband, who was

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<v Speaker 3>of German ancestry or what we now call Germany and

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<v Speaker 3>who we have to thank for Christmas. So thank you

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<v Speaker 3>Prince Albert. Oh yeah, he hosted the Great Exhibition of

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<v Speaker 3>the Works of Industry of All Nations in eighteen fifty one,

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<v Speaker 3>and this was what basically everyone who knows about world's

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<v Speaker 3>Fairs knows anything about Worlds Fairs, says this was the

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<v Speaker 3>first World's Fair.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, one calls it the Great Exhibition of the

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<v Speaker 1>Works of the industry of all nations, right except for

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<v Speaker 1>us because we're being technical. Because everyone calls it the

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal Palace exhibition because that's where they built the Crystal Palace.

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<v Speaker 1>It was in Hyde Park from May to October eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty one. And they wanted a real you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll see this as a trend, like they really wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to knock people's socks off when they arrive and when

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<v Speaker 1>you arrived at this you know, kind of glorified greenhouse.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact it was built by a greenhouse builder

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<v Speaker 1>named Joseph Paxton. But it was eighteen acres of glass

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<v Speaker 1>and iron and steel and it was it created eight

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<v Speaker 1>miles of display space, and it was like super impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was a real ring and ding ding greenhouse.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, an eighteen acre greenhouse is not easy to make, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So yes, it knocked everyone's socks off for sure. You

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<v Speaker 3>said there's eight miles worth of display space inside. So

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<v Speaker 3>it was also capable of holding fourteen thousand exhibits. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 3>about half of them were from Britain, and one of

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons that Prince Albert wanted to do this is

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<v Speaker 3>because he wanted to drum up interest in Europe in

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<v Speaker 3>particular for imports from Britain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was like, hey, we got a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>good stuff. Once you come over and see it, and

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<v Speaker 3>then you can place your orders on your way out

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<v Speaker 3>the door.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if they could you really place orders? I'll

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<v Speaker 1>bet you d you think so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So there was about five hundred and sixty exhibits

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<v Speaker 3>from the US, and one of them was the cult

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<v Speaker 3>repeating pistol, and I guarantee you could have been like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to order some of those, give me some

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<v Speaker 3>right now so I can shoot in the air in

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<v Speaker 3>the Crystal Palace.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you could have left there with a cult

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<v Speaker 1>repeating pistol if you had enough money.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But I promised steam, and that is that first

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<v Speaker 1>one is where the steam engine was officially debuted, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the automated cotton mule. Sure for spinning France.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think you said US had five sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>France had seventeen hundred and sixty exhibits. In addition to

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<v Speaker 1>the cult repeating pistol. Did you mention chewing tobacco? I

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<v Speaker 1>did not, And that's where we debuted as a nation. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>look what we've come up with, chewing tobacco, which I

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<v Speaker 1>imagine we stole from indigenous peoples here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, but we really kind of americanized that the person

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<v Speaker 3>running that booth had to dance back and forth, pumping

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<v Speaker 3>its fist like a prospector the whole.

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<v Speaker 1>Time, right, and dance on maybe artificial legs, because artificial

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<v Speaker 1>legs were debuted by the United States there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right. We really just had one exhibit and they

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<v Speaker 3>were everything compressed together.

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<v Speaker 1>Guy dancing on artificial egg shooting his pistol in the

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<v Speaker 1>air to in tobaccy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, that's exactly right. So yeah, this is obviously a

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<v Speaker 3>huge hit. It actually made money for the organizers, which

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<v Speaker 3>was not the case for all the world's fairs to come.

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<v Speaker 3>But because of that a lot of people around the

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<v Speaker 3>world were like, hey, I want to get in on this,

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<v Speaker 3>and Paris said we're first. There was one in Dublin,

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<v Speaker 3>there was one in Cork, there was one in Munich,

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<v Speaker 3>there was one in New York. But really everything kind

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<v Speaker 3>of moved over to Paris when they said we're over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. I mean the other ones were legit

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<v Speaker 1>World's Fairs. I think the one in New York in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen fifty three through I think November eighteen fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a long one July to November. Yeah, the

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<v Speaker 1>Exhibition of the Industry of All Nations. In that case,

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<v Speaker 1>they did okay, but they were They clearly copied the

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<v Speaker 1>Crystal Palace. They built their own there in Bryant Park,

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<v Speaker 1>but they lost money. I think the first US one

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<v Speaker 1>to make any kind of hey was the one in

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<v Speaker 1>Philly in eighteen seventy six.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, that was a centennial exhibition where the typewriter

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<v Speaker 3>was invented Alexander Graham Bell demonstrated the telephone. There was

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<v Speaker 3>also the largest steam engine ever. Yeah, apparently still holds

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<v Speaker 3>the record. It was a seven hundred tons steam engine

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<v Speaker 3>called the Corliss Engine. It took sixty five railroad cars

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<v Speaker 3>to deliver it to the exhibition in Philadelphia, and when

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<v Speaker 3>they turned it on, all of the machines at the

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<v Speaker 3>World's Fair came to life because they were all being

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<v Speaker 3>powered by the steam engine in the center of the

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<v Speaker 3>whole place.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a pretty fun little knock your socks off moment.

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<v Speaker 3>It is pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, like everyone's standing around. Well, I guess it

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<v Speaker 1>was still it wasn't powering lights at the time, was it. No,

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<v Speaker 1>not yet, Okay, because we're yeah, that happens, it's coming,

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<v Speaker 1>everybody coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But this whole thing it really I mean, it

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<v Speaker 3>attracted ten million people and it was a it was

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<v Speaker 3>a big one. So I guess I got ahead of myself.

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<v Speaker 3>Paris hadn't come. Yeah, I'm just really excited about Paris

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<v Speaker 3>taking over for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean they took over in a big way.

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<v Speaker 1>They hosted eight of them between eighteen fifty five and

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty seven, and a lot of theirs like most

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<v Speaker 1>other nations when they hosted, the government kind of really hosted.

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<v Speaker 1>In America, it was a lot of like corporate entities

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning along with the government, but Paris really

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<v Speaker 1>took it to a political sort of apex by like

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<v Speaker 1>Napoleon really was showing off in the first and second ones,

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<v Speaker 1>like look how great I am, and look at all

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<v Speaker 1>the great things I've done. The third one, I think

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy eight, was like, hey, you know, we're

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<v Speaker 1>doing fine. We've recovered from the Franco Prussian War and

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<v Speaker 1>all this internal violence of the Paris Commune, and like

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<v Speaker 1>we're still doing great, look at us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I mean that was a big part of

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<v Speaker 3>those European ones. Like you said, the Paris ones also

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<v Speaker 3>more charmingly, had fountains, Like almost all of them had

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<v Speaker 3>a really cool fountain, and a lot of those fountains

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<v Speaker 3>are left over. There's one from eighteen eighty nine called

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<v Speaker 3>the Fountain of Progress, and it is the first water

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<v Speaker 3>feature to have electric lights inside that shined up from underwater,

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<v Speaker 3>which to me is still quite impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>You had, do you think when they debuted it, they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, and we're gonna have Jacques stand in the

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<v Speaker 1>fountain while we turned it on. We're pretty sure it's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No one likes shock anyway, so don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it all worked out for shock though. Now. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still like when I see a swimming pool light,

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's housed in a thing, but I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It all just vaguely makes me nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>It does, for sure, I get that. But the ones

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<v Speaker 3>in the fountains, they never make me nervous. They just

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<v Speaker 3>look so cool to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because you're not in the fountain.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, so it doesn't matter if it's like buzzing

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<v Speaker 3>with electricity.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you ever been to Rome, Italy?

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<v Speaker 3>Have It's one of my favorite towns.

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<v Speaker 1>Seen that Trevy Fountain? I do?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the one with all the yes? I have?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? You didn't go to Rom and not see the Trivyountain? Right?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? It was pretty amazing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that has lights in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sure it does.

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<v Speaker 1>Or at least around it. The thing was lit up.

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<v Speaker 1>I was there at night and it wasn't dark.

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<v Speaker 3>I was there during the day, so I couldn't tell you.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I gotcha.

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<v Speaker 2>So.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the other things that happened at the eighteen

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<v Speaker 3>eighty nine Exposition Universal was that the Eiffel Tower was debuted,

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<v Speaker 3>and we talked about this in depth. We did a

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<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty episode on the Eiffel Tower.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, but just a couple of points as a refresher.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a contest about one hundred entrants and Gustav

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<v Speaker 1>Eiffel won it along with his colleagues, and they proposed

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<v Speaker 1>at the time what was going to be the It

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<v Speaker 1>was I think the tallest building in the world at

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<v Speaker 1>about one thousand feet and people, you know, the people

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<v Speaker 1>of the world loved it, but the people of Paris

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<v Speaker 1>did not like it very much, right.

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<v Speaker 3>No, they wanted to get rid of it, and it

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<v Speaker 3>almost got torn down. I think in nineteen oh nine

0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:32.800
<v Speaker 3>it came as close as it ever has and they said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to use this as a radio telegraph station.

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<v Speaker 3>So people in pairs were like, all right, as long

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<v Speaker 3>as it's serving purpose, you know, because I can't remember

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<v Speaker 3>who said it, but someone said that something that doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>actually function can never truly be beautiful. Oh really, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's something along those lines.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So like form overfunction basically.

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<v Speaker 3>Function over form or function and form function.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, sure, I think we're saying the same thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>oh we are speaking in code now, that's right. It

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<v Speaker 1>finally happened. They also had what was called the Hygiene

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<v Speaker 1>Palace at that expo, which sounds super gross, it does,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was you know, it was at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it was eighteen eighty nine, So hygiene, you know,

0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.800
<v Speaker 1>we're talking like life saving hygiene, not like how to

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<v Speaker 1>smell less. So they showed like hospital stuff, medical stuff,

0:13:24.679 --> 0:13:26.560
<v Speaker 1>how to raise They had real babies and showed like,

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<v Speaker 1>here's how you raise a baby properly, right.

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<v Speaker 3>And then also speaking of babies, they made a full

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<v Speaker 3>scale reproduction of the tower at the Madeline Hospital for Foundlings,

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<v Speaker 3>which is where in Paris if you had a child,

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<v Speaker 3>this is where you would leave it for somebody else

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<v Speaker 3>to take over if.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't want the child.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, exactly right. And they even had like a

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<v Speaker 3>model of a baby and everything. And I don't know

0:13:51.040 --> 0:13:52.959
<v Speaker 3>why they chose to include that, but.

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<v Speaker 1>They did, I don't know, maybe get the word out.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess so, because that was Yeah, they were trying

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<v Speaker 3>to get the word out in the hygiene Palace, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting when you can look back at a thing

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<v Speaker 1>like that and it can be both sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest thing and the saddest thing all at once.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, sure, yeah, yeah, yeah we should, Yeah we

0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.960
<v Speaker 3>should build one. Yeah, well, it's funny you mentioned that

0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:18.800
<v Speaker 3>I started one this morning. You can come over and

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<v Speaker 3>help me finish it.

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<v Speaker 1>Awesome. That expo was very profitable. They made a ton

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<v Speaker 1>of money on it. And I don't think we said

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<v Speaker 1>at the beginning, like from the beginning, these world's fairs,

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<v Speaker 1>a portion of the money that they make on these

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<v Speaker 1>has gone or at least in the United States, has

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<v Speaker 1>gone into funds that help that still help fund like

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<v Speaker 1>industrial arts programs for students.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that first Crystal Palace exhibition has a fellowship fund

0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:49.400
<v Speaker 3>that helps people in industrial design get through grad school

0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.960
<v Speaker 3>still today. From that's all from eighteen fifty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, should we break or should we talk about the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred expo?

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about the nineteen hundred. So because just to

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<v Speaker 3>kind of keep this contained for a second, basically, these

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<v Speaker 3>biggest ones, the ones that really made the biggest splash,

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<v Speaker 3>are still contained in Europe, largely Great Britain and France.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, all right, I agree this one had the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred attracted fifty million people.

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean these are nineteen hundred people, so they're

0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.400
<v Speaker 1>getting that many people. Yeah, I mean you can get

0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:26.840
<v Speaker 1>fifty million people pretty easily together now in any given.

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<v Speaker 3>Space, for sure, it's like nothing, But it was.

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<v Speaker 1>A big deal back then. And again showcasing Paris is

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<v Speaker 1>like sort of one of the leading modern cities. They

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<v Speaker 1>debuted something pretty cool there called the Cinerama, which they

0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:41.720
<v Speaker 1>still have these, and they have one of these in Atlanta,

0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.880
<v Speaker 1>The Cyclorama in Atlanta is this kind of thing where

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<v Speaker 1>you go in this sort of immersive theater experience where

0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.400
<v Speaker 1>they have projections but also paintings and it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and sixty degree screen. In their case, they

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<v Speaker 1>simulated a balloon ride because it sounds like balloons were

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<v Speaker 1>all the rage at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure. They also had an actual balloon race, a

0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.880
<v Speaker 3>long distance bloon race is part of the exposition. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that reminded me when I was reading about the Cineorama.

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<v Speaker 3>When we did our Salt Lake City show that one time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, before the show, during the afternoon, I was

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<v Speaker 3>walking around downtown Salt Lake and I ended up in

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<v Speaker 3>like the main Mormon temple, and one of the things

0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:28.360
<v Speaker 3>they have there as an exhibit is a it's basically

0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:30.760
<v Speaker 3>three hundred degrees. It's not three hundred and sixty, but

0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.720
<v Speaker 3>it is really close, like high def movie screen that

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<v Speaker 3>is right there in your face. Cool of Brigham Young

0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:43.800
<v Speaker 3>like receiving the message from God. It was so disorienting

0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.360
<v Speaker 3>that I ended up like staggering out of there in

0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.080
<v Speaker 3>the middle of it, like I couldn't take it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just overwhelming, the message or the three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>degree I guess a.

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<v Speaker 3>Little bit of both, but I think the more the

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<v Speaker 3>whole three hundred degree thing. It's interesting, the most immersive

0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:02.560
<v Speaker 3>video experience I've ever seen by far.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm wondering. I haven't been to the sphere in Vegas,

0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.240
<v Speaker 1>but I'm wondering if I mean, it looks super cool.

0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:09.960
<v Speaker 1>But I wonder if there is any sort of like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh boy, this is too much kind of feeling.

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<v Speaker 3>Probably, I mean, it's Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true, that's all too much.

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<v Speaker 3>So one of the great things about the nineteen hundred

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<v Speaker 3>Exposition came from the United States. It was an exhibit

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<v Speaker 3>by American black scholars including W. E. B. Du Bois

0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:31.760
<v Speaker 3>and Booker T. Washington, who attended and basically said, here

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<v Speaker 3>is all the progress that black Americans have made since

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<v Speaker 3>the end of slavery. It sounds really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They had books, they had inventions, they had art,

0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:44.679
<v Speaker 1>they had just straight up photographs of like, look, we

0:17:44.800 --> 0:17:47.720
<v Speaker 1>have black nuns in the United States, we have black soldiers,

0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.720
<v Speaker 1>we have black college students. And then apparently W. E. B.

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<v Speaker 1>Dubois was sort of the early USA today because he

0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:01.000
<v Speaker 1>loved making infographics, and he made info graphics showing like

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<v Speaker 1>their literacy rates were rising, they were they owned taxable property,

0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:09.879
<v Speaker 1>and these were from actual Georgians I think, right. And

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<v Speaker 1>then also like, hey, our literacy is so good among

0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.320
<v Speaker 1>Black Americans, like we're better than Romania and Russia at

0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:16.720
<v Speaker 1>this point.

0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they that if I went and looked at some

0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:25.120
<v Speaker 3>of Dubois's infographics, and they're really interesting, Like he came

0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.320
<v Speaker 3>up with some really interesting ways to cram a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of data and the one page visually. So it's worth

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<v Speaker 3>looking up, especially if you like colorful things.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I do, and that is very USA today. Shall

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<v Speaker 1>we break now? Yes, all right, we will be right

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<v Speaker 1>back after this.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, now we're on the road driving in your Chuck

0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:50.840
<v Speaker 2>want to learn a thing or two from Josh Chuck.

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<v Speaker 3>It's stuff you should.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, all right, all right, so we're back more world's fairs.

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<v Speaker 1>Latin America's get involved now. I think this is after

0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.160
<v Speaker 1>they had freed them spelled themselves from Spanish rule early

0:19:19.240 --> 0:19:21.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. They wanted to again show like, hey, we're

0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:25.960
<v Speaker 1>doing pretty well. Not only were they sending factions to

0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:28.199
<v Speaker 1>other world's fairs like in Europe and the United States,

0:19:28.600 --> 0:19:32.680
<v Speaker 1>but Cordoba and Buenos Aires, Argentina, had their own. Santiago,

0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Chile had their own. And this was like between the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventies and eighteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, at the time there's a lot of tension though,

0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:46.000
<v Speaker 3>apparently between the country's boosters who are like, look at us,

0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.359
<v Speaker 3>like we don't need Spanish rule. We're doing all this cool,

0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:51.520
<v Speaker 3>interesting stuff and we're inventing all this stuff, and then

0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:53.919
<v Speaker 3>others there were like, no, the point of this is

0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:58.160
<v Speaker 3>to like sell ourselves as sources of raw materials right

0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.280
<v Speaker 3>in places where you can over throw regimes to grow

0:20:01.320 --> 0:20:02.439
<v Speaker 3>bananas more cheaply.

0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I think that that was a big point, right, like, hey,

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.000
<v Speaker 1>we can actually make stuff here. We're not just to

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.399
<v Speaker 1>be sort of looted for what we can provide you precisely.

0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.760
<v Speaker 3>And then the people who made money from the country

0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:15.560
<v Speaker 3>being looted, they were the ones who are like, no, no, no,

0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:17.639
<v Speaker 3>we need to just show off how easily were looted.

0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. There were you know, speaking of looting, there

0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:25.560
<v Speaker 1>were World's fairs and places that were colonized at the time.

0:20:26.359 --> 0:20:28.720
<v Speaker 1>There was one in eighteen eighty three to eighty four

0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:32.080
<v Speaker 1>in Calcutta, Kingston, Jamaica had one in eighteen ninety one

0:20:32.119 --> 0:20:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Hanoi had one in nineteen oh two, and this was

0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, hey, look at the local culture, but also

0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.399
<v Speaker 1>like clearly coming from the colonizer side, like look how

0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:43.640
<v Speaker 1>great they're doing thanks to.

0:20:43.680 --> 0:20:49.320
<v Speaker 3>Us, right exactly? Okay, So there were like they spread

0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:52.320
<v Speaker 3>all over the world because they were so impressive, and

0:20:52.400 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 3>they really did bring a lot of attention and industry

0:20:55.320 --> 0:20:59.879
<v Speaker 3>and business in exports from these countries that were hosting

0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:02.560
<v Speaker 3>these things. Like they were not just vanity projects. There

0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.240
<v Speaker 3>really were big returns on them, and the US got

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<v Speaker 3>back in the game. I don't know if it was

0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 3>the first one after the Philadelphia one, it could have been,

0:21:11.480 --> 0:21:15.240
<v Speaker 3>but far and away in the United States, the most

0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:19.240
<v Speaker 3>famous world fair was the Chicago World's Fair of eighteen

0:21:19.320 --> 0:21:23.280
<v Speaker 3>ninety three, the World's Columbian Exposition. It was a pretty

0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.960
<v Speaker 3>good World's Fair, if I do say so myself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and if you're one of the gazillions of people

0:21:29.640 --> 0:21:31.640
<v Speaker 1>who have emailed us over the years to do one

0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.840
<v Speaker 1>on the Chicago World's Fair and HH Holmes the Serial Killer,

0:21:37.600 --> 0:21:41.200
<v Speaker 1>we should probably do a standalone episode on that, because

0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:42.919
<v Speaker 1>this is just going to be a sort of a

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<v Speaker 1>quickie yeah, on Chicago, And I know there's a lot

0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 1>more to it than this, So I guess that's me

0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:50.959
<v Speaker 1>saying prepare to be disappointed a little bit. Yeah, but

0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 1>more like a preamble to like there'll be a deeper

0:21:53.520 --> 0:21:55.720
<v Speaker 1>episode coming, because a lot of people have asked for

0:21:55.760 --> 0:21:59.199
<v Speaker 1>this over time. It is, you know, mainly known for

0:21:59.280 --> 0:22:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the fact that HH Holmes, serial killer was kidnapping young

0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:06.879
<v Speaker 1>women who traveled to that Chicago fair and had his

0:22:06.960 --> 0:22:10.000
<v Speaker 1>murder castle in Inglewood. And there was a great, great

0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 1>book called The Devil in the White City, which I

0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>still haven't read, but everyone said it's just amazing. It's

0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:17.600
<v Speaker 1>by Eric Larson, and it's on the list.

0:22:17.520 --> 0:22:21.359
<v Speaker 3>As far as popular histories go. It is easily in

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.760
<v Speaker 3>the top five. Yeah.

0:22:22.800 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Man, they did read this.

0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:26.440
<v Speaker 3>So good, so readable. He does such a great job

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.920
<v Speaker 3>of putting you there, and it is like it does

0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 3>cover HH Holmes and all the terrible stuff he does

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.320
<v Speaker 3>in depth, but it also covers the fair in depth.

0:22:34.359 --> 0:22:36.200
<v Speaker 3>It's just it was an amazing thing.

0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we're going to cover the fair not so

0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:41.720
<v Speaker 1>in depth, but we're going to mention a few things.

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<v Speaker 1>For sure. This is where we got cracker jacks. This

0:22:44.880 --> 0:22:47.600
<v Speaker 1>is where we got the dishwasher. Sure, this is where

0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:50.320
<v Speaker 1>we got the modern zipper, which they called a clasp

0:22:50.359 --> 0:22:51.280
<v Speaker 1>blocker at the time.

0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:53.680
<v Speaker 3>We did an episode on that too in twenty twenty.

0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:54.440
<v Speaker 1>That's right.

0:22:54.840 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 3>What else The ferris wheel came from the eighteen ninety

0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:01.439
<v Speaker 3>three expedition, which very quickly after that became like a

0:23:01.560 --> 0:23:05.919
<v Speaker 3>staple of world's fares. And it was very appropriately designed

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:10.000
<v Speaker 3>by George Washington Gale Ferris Junior, who was from Pittsburgh,

0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.159
<v Speaker 3>and the first one he designed was two hundred and

0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:16.359
<v Speaker 3>sixty four feet tall, thirty six cars and offered a

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:19.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty minute ride in exchange for fifty cents, which is

0:23:19.200 --> 0:23:22.800
<v Speaker 3>about eighteen dollars today. And you could see the whole

0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:25.679
<v Speaker 3>dang fare from the top of that ferris wheel, and

0:23:25.760 --> 0:23:27.800
<v Speaker 3>it blew people's minds.

0:23:28.200 --> 0:23:29.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought it was. When I was reading this,

0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was interesting that they became a thing,

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:36.159
<v Speaker 1>but like more like a at least in the United States,

0:23:36.200 --> 0:23:39.920
<v Speaker 1>more like a fair grounds or a carnival thing. And

0:23:40.160 --> 0:23:42.960
<v Speaker 1>just more recently, like the past, like fifteen or twenty years,

0:23:42.960 --> 0:23:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I feel like went back to this original idea, put

0:23:45.920 --> 0:23:49.520
<v Speaker 1>like a huge ferris wheel in a downtown city just

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:50.760
<v Speaker 1>so you can see stuff.

0:23:51.080 --> 0:23:53.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and bear in mind. Also at the time we

0:23:53.800 --> 0:23:56.199
<v Speaker 3>kind of take it for granted now, But in the

0:23:56.240 --> 0:23:59.080
<v Speaker 3>same way that you, the average person was not exposed

0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.120
<v Speaker 3>to cutting edge techne and new ideas and awesome new

0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:06.959
<v Speaker 3>products and stuff. People, especially in the Midwestern United States,

0:24:06.960 --> 0:24:09.440
<v Speaker 3>we're not exposed to a view of two hundred and

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:13.359
<v Speaker 3>sixty four feet like this is an extremely novel experience

0:24:13.400 --> 0:24:15.280
<v Speaker 3>for most of the people who attended that fair.

0:24:16.280 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, for sure, Atlanta's got one. You ever been

0:24:19.520 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 1>on that one?

0:24:20.960 --> 0:24:23.680
<v Speaker 3>No? I have not. I haven't been on a ferris

0:24:23.720 --> 0:24:25.680
<v Speaker 3>wheel in a long long time.

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, London has the eye, Atlanta has theirs.

0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:32.800
<v Speaker 1>It's you know, it's it was fun to take Ruby

0:24:32.800 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>when she was little, but like, there's no reason for

0:24:36.119 --> 0:24:36.720
<v Speaker 1>you to go on it.

0:24:37.320 --> 0:24:40.240
<v Speaker 3>Okay, good to know, even the London I have you

0:24:40.320 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 3>been on that one?

0:24:41.680 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I haven't been on that. But hey, there's a Ted's

0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.560
<v Speaker 1>Montana Grill right there. The Tabernacle's right there. So if

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.639
<v Speaker 1>you got tickets to see a show at the Tabernacle,

0:24:50.280 --> 0:24:52.920
<v Speaker 1>go eat at Ted's Montana Grill, have a Beisenberger check

0:24:53.119 --> 0:24:55.520
<v Speaker 1>right on the ferris wheel, and then you've done it.

0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.960
<v Speaker 3>We're going to see Echo and the bunnymen in May,

0:24:58.119 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 3>so we'll ride the ferris whee.

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Remind me about that before it happens, because I might

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:03.840
<v Speaker 1>meet you there.

0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:05.920
<v Speaker 3>I just did, right.

0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.280
<v Speaker 1>No, man, that's in May. You got to remind me, like.

0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.600
<v Speaker 3>Three days I will. Maybe we can ride the ferris

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.439
<v Speaker 3>wheel together, you me, you, me, and Emily.

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, our Instagram would blow up? Would you believe it?

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 3>I think I just blew some people's minds by saying you, me, you, me,

0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:19.640
<v Speaker 3>and Emily.

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people get duck confused a lot. This is way

0:25:24.240 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 1>off target because we were just talking about something that

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.040
<v Speaker 1>reminded me of it. But I had a funny Simpsons

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:29.920
<v Speaker 1>reference last night.

0:25:29.960 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, you're about to go on a tangent

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:33.840
<v Speaker 3>because those aren't allowed on our podcast.

0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Do you ever make a joke that you know no

0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:37.840
<v Speaker 1>one else will get? But so it's really a joke

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>for you of.

0:25:39.160 --> 0:25:40.400
<v Speaker 3>Like eighty percent of the time.

0:25:40.440 --> 0:25:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I was watching or Emily was gone last night,

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 1>so Ruby and I had a daddy daughter night in

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 1>which we usually like order cheeseburgers and watch a like

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 1>an action movie or something cute. And I showed her

0:25:53.280 --> 0:25:57.480
<v Speaker 1>speed last night. Huh, And I queued it up and

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I was like, you're gonna love this. I'm not going

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:01.240
<v Speaker 1>to tell you anything about it, and she was like, no, wait,

0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:02.639
<v Speaker 1>will you at least tell me the name of it.

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I know it's called the Bus that Couldn't slow Down?

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:09.640
<v Speaker 1>And she was like really, and I went, no, it's

0:26:09.640 --> 0:26:12.560
<v Speaker 1>a Simpson's joke. And then she wouldn't just let it go.

0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>She had me explain the whole thing, which you know,

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.919
<v Speaker 1>fell in deaf ears. But it's one of my all

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:18.959
<v Speaker 1>time favorite kind of Simpsons jokes.

0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:20.720
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember that joke.

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:24.240
<v Speaker 1>It was Homer was describing a movie that he had

0:26:24.280 --> 0:26:26.760
<v Speaker 1>just seen and he was like, oh, yeah, it's a

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:30.240
<v Speaker 1>bus whose speed couldn't slow down because if it had

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.040
<v Speaker 1>less speed it would blow up and the speed would

0:26:33.040 --> 0:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>cause it to whatever. And he said speed like eight times.

0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:37.520
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, they asked him what the name of it was.

0:26:38.080 --> 0:26:40.040
<v Speaker 1>He said, the Bus that Couldn't slow down.

0:26:40.240 --> 0:26:43.359
<v Speaker 3>Man, that show just keeps on giving doesn't know.

0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>Speed holds up pretty good too.

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.560
<v Speaker 3>By the way, Oh yeah, Keyunu Reeve's short hair is

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 3>really great in that movie.

0:26:49.040 --> 0:26:53.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he was hunky and it's like, uh yeah, it

0:26:53.200 --> 0:26:56.280
<v Speaker 1>really it was. I mean, it's so action packed. It

0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:57.600
<v Speaker 1>was it was great. I enjoyed it.

0:26:58.160 --> 0:27:01.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Dennis Hopper is a bad guy, crazed bad guy

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 3>is pretty much timeless.

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>He's great, And I remember the bus stuff, but that's

0:27:05.640 --> 0:27:07.880
<v Speaker 1>just the middle part. I forgot the whole first part.

0:27:07.880 --> 0:27:10.200
<v Speaker 1>In the last part, which was also tons of action.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:10.919
<v Speaker 3>I don't remember that.

0:27:11.480 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go back and then watch it. We'll watch it

0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:15.000
<v Speaker 1>before we go. In the ferris Wheel.

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 3>We just did a mini crush, I know we did.

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Where are we? Oh, we're back at eighteen ninety three,

0:27:21.320 --> 0:27:23.040
<v Speaker 1>because that's where electricity really came in.

0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, that was another big thing in Devil in

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:28.919
<v Speaker 3>the White City. They really went behind the scenes. I

0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 3>think there was a huge struggle between George Westinghouse and

0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Thomas Edison to get the contract to light the eighteen

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 3>ninety three World's Fair in Westinghouse won yes, and he

0:27:39.960 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 3>lit this fare up in Yeah, it was gorgeous. I

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 3>didn't see it, but I read Eric Larson's description and

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:49.320
<v Speaker 3>it sounded just totally amazing.

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that sounds cool. That's also where Chicago really got

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:56.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of its beautiful architecture that we love today. Yeah,

0:27:56.320 --> 0:27:59.239
<v Speaker 1>with their neoclassical buildings, A lot of more temporary at

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:01.879
<v Speaker 1>the time, and that's why they called it the White City,

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:05.359
<v Speaker 1>but it really influenced the design going forward to promote

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:10.680
<v Speaker 1>that bows arts style. Is that how you say yeah thanks?

0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>And also if you're wondering like did they do that

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.000
<v Speaker 1>at other fairs? That's we got art deco from the

0:28:17.119 --> 0:28:19.680
<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty five exhibit in Paris.

0:28:20.000 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Yes, And a little traveler's tip here, if you ever

0:28:23.080 --> 0:28:25.879
<v Speaker 3>find yourself in New Zealand, I think the northern part

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.120
<v Speaker 3>of it to you yourself a favor and go visit.

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Napier is a small town. I don't remember what part

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.320
<v Speaker 3>of New Zealand it's in, but you really can't miss

0:28:35.359 --> 0:28:39.040
<v Speaker 3>anything in New Zealand. It's not that big. And it

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.479
<v Speaker 3>suffered an earthquake and I think nineteen thirty one and

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 3>like the whole downtown was leveled. So they were like, well,

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:47.040
<v Speaker 3>what style is in right now? Oh? Art Deco, So

0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 3>they rebuilt their entire downtown in Art deco, all these

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 3>amazing different buildings and amazing different colors and they have

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:55.040
<v Speaker 3>preserved it like perfectly.

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I love art deco. I got to check

0:28:57.480 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>that out.

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, this is the Art Deco town known internationally

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 3>as the Art Deco.

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Had never heard of it. I thought you were going

0:29:04.840 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 1>to recommend the River Tour, the architectural tour in Chicago.

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:11.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't take that one. That sounds kind of cool, though.

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.840
<v Speaker 1>It's awesome for like a big, sort of large mass

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:17.400
<v Speaker 1>tour thing. It's really great.

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Did Faris Buehler go on that in the movie? Because

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:21.720
<v Speaker 3>I know he was on a boat at some point,

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:23.480
<v Speaker 3>or they showed people on a boat.

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's a shot of that or not.

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:28.400
<v Speaker 3>All right, well let's just say there is.

0:29:28.840 --> 0:29:30.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, but I did it, Chuck Buehler did.

0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:36.479
<v Speaker 3>Okay. Oh yeah, So that was eighteen ninety three, Like

0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:39.240
<v Speaker 3>we said, go read that book. You will not regret it.

0:29:40.360 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 3>And then jumping forward a little bit, but staying in

0:29:42.640 --> 0:29:45.480
<v Speaker 3>the United States, there was a Saint Louis World's Fair

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 3>in nineteen oh four. Have you ever seen meet me

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 3>in Saint Louis?

0:29:49.720 --> 0:29:52.680
<v Speaker 1>Chuck, No, I take it that was you. That added

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that was a terrible sat a terrible musical.

0:29:55.920 --> 0:30:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes it was. It was like I didn't want to

0:30:00.800 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 3>be I didn't want to exist for those couple of

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 3>hours while I was sitting there watching this play. It's

0:30:06.400 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 3>so dumb and the music is so stupid and everything

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 3>about it is just terrible. Where do you see this

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 3>at the Fox?

0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow? So like of a Broadway revival?

0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, in this period of American history, I just find

0:30:20.200 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 3>creepy and I don't really like it anyway. You know,

0:30:23.000 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of like susaphone music and stuff like that. Okay,

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 3>So and this is like a whole thing set at

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:31.840
<v Speaker 3>that time and it's just it's not good dude.

0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Wow, all right.

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay, So don't see it.

0:30:37.080 --> 0:30:39.680
<v Speaker 1>Okay, go see Hell's Kitchen instead or Operation Mincemeat.

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 3>Okay. But also there's a lot of misconstrued facts, I guess.

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this sounds like a bit of a I

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't like the nineteen oh four exhibit

0:30:52.640 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 1>because they they said a lot of people say, like

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:57.360
<v Speaker 1>that's where the hamburger came from, and the hot dog

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and the ice cream cone, and some of that stuff

0:30:59.920 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>is partly true.

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, hot dogs were first served in buns at

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:09.800
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen oh four fair, but hot dogs already existed, right,

0:31:10.200 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 3>ice cream cone wasn't invented there, But this is where

0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:14.520
<v Speaker 3>the first place where a lot of people saw ice

0:31:14.560 --> 0:31:15.920
<v Speaker 3>cream cones. For the first time.

0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:17.720
<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a bunch of junk food.

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it definitely was. Cotton candy was debuted at the

0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 3>nineteen oh four Fair, and I feel like there's a

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:28.360
<v Speaker 3>nice little twist to the inventor, don't you.

0:31:29.200 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he sold it as fairy floss. His name was

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.840
<v Speaker 1>William J. Morrison and he was in fact a dentist.

0:31:35.680 --> 0:31:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of those little fun facts that

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>people like to throw around. Absolutely true. But it was

0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 1>also doctor Pepper debuted there, jello puffed ry cereal. It

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 1>sounds just like a bunch of like American junk.

0:31:48.360 --> 0:31:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this is where a lot of it came from,

0:31:50.440 --> 0:31:54.280
<v Speaker 3>for sure. And then also just we might edit this

0:31:54.320 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 3>part up, but just between you and me, the first

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:59.840
<v Speaker 3>electric plug and socket debuted there too, which is pretty

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:03.280
<v Speaker 3>say significant. But I want to give a little hat

0:32:03.320 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 3>tip to Livia for explaining what an electric plug and

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:11.200
<v Speaker 3>socket does, which allowed lights and appliances to be safely

0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:14.120
<v Speaker 3>attached to and detached from a central power supply.

0:32:14.680 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh man, that is best.

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.680
<v Speaker 3>That's the dedication that we can expect from Livia.

0:32:20.080 --> 0:32:23.280
<v Speaker 1>And also you can get way more in depth information.

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>We kind of did a whole episode that covered this

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:28.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing in twenty nineteen our episode on human

0:32:28.800 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>zoos and how awful they were, right, but they had

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 1>stuff like that here, like Native villages and that's in

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 1>quotes where they had very offensive, sort of misleading exhibits

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 1>about Indigenous Americans and Filipinos and Africans and yeah, just

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>a sort of a bummer of a world spare, I.

0:32:47.560 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 3>Think, yeah, for sure. Yeah, they would basically be like, hey,

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 3>let's take every single racist conception or misconception and attitude

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 3>what we have toward all these different groups and bring

0:32:57.600 --> 0:33:00.880
<v Speaker 3>them to life. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. So yeah,

0:33:00.880 --> 0:33:03.520
<v Speaker 3>that was it was a good episode, and that it was.

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 3>It explained it pretty well, but it was definitely a

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 3>bummer of an episode for sure.

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but you could wash it all down with the

0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>doctor Pepper, So what could be wrong?

0:33:12.000 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 3>That's right, and give somebody a big smile and like

0:33:15.160 --> 0:33:16.280
<v Speaker 3>half of your teeth are missing?

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 1>All right. I think we're at our second break point,

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.480
<v Speaker 1>and we'll talk about sort of the next wave of

0:33:22.520 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 1>worlds fares and then kind of the death of worlds

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:25.480
<v Speaker 1>fares right after this.

0:33:26.960 --> 0:33:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, now we're on the road, driving in your truck.

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>Want to learn a thing or two from Josh Chuck.

0:33:34.960 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>It's stuff you should know, all right.

0:33:52.840 --> 0:33:56.800
<v Speaker 3>So after World War One, worlds fares became less common

0:33:57.120 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 3>and less successful. I blame uh going off of the

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 3>gold standard, right, but there's still plenty that came along

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 3>that you'll if you know anything about World's fares, pay

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:11.719
<v Speaker 3>any kind of attention to it. You'd be like, no,

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:14.920
<v Speaker 3>there was Expos sixty seven in Montreal, or there was

0:34:14.960 --> 0:34:18.120
<v Speaker 3>Expos seventy in Osaka, Japan. Yes, yes, we'll get to

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 3>all those. But the general point is here is that

0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 3>they were less successful because people started to see radio,

0:34:25.760 --> 0:34:28.080
<v Speaker 3>there were movies, or they started to listen to radio.

0:34:28.400 --> 0:34:34.239
<v Speaker 3>Movies became widespread and very popular. And then simultaneously to that,

0:34:34.480 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 3>there were so many World's fairs to choose from. No

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.279
<v Speaker 3>matter where you were in the world, you might be

0:34:39.600 --> 0:34:45.480
<v Speaker 3>in a large air, a large city that has multiple

0:34:45.560 --> 0:34:48.360
<v Speaker 3>World's fairs competing with one another, in the same region,

0:34:48.520 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 3>certainly the same country. That happened, and it became a

0:34:51.280 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 3>bit of a mess. So this group called the Bureau

0:34:54.680 --> 0:35:00.120
<v Speaker 3>International Expositions, the BIE, established in Paris. Of course, they

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:01.640
<v Speaker 3>said we're going to step in, We're going to start

0:35:01.680 --> 0:35:04.439
<v Speaker 3>regulating these events. We're going to take this mess. We're

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:08.239
<v Speaker 3>going to mash it into a Devil's Tower plateau of

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:11.160
<v Speaker 3>mashed potatoes. We're going to create something coherent out of it.

0:35:11.560 --> 0:35:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Nice ref Yeah, they established some rules. Well, the

0:35:16.680 --> 0:35:19.520
<v Speaker 1>first rule was like, unless it's officially sanctioned by US,

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:22.040
<v Speaker 1>it's not even a World's fare. So you got to

0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.439
<v Speaker 1>go through US. It can't be more than six months.

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>You can't run these things for nine twelve months. You

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.000
<v Speaker 1>got to have a theme, like get it together. Everyone

0:35:29.080 --> 0:35:31.440
<v Speaker 1>like a party with a theme is so much better. Sure,

0:35:31.840 --> 0:35:34.640
<v Speaker 1>And since then, this was in nineteen twenty eight, there

0:35:34.640 --> 0:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>have only been fifty World's Fairs since. I guess they

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:41.319
<v Speaker 1>established in nineteen twenty eight, but nineteen thirty one is

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:44.480
<v Speaker 1>when they officially started sanctioning them, and there's only been

0:35:44.520 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 1>fifty since then.

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah. Can you imagine some poor guy who's like, hey,

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.479
<v Speaker 3>this isn't an official World's fair, wants their money back.

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:54.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:55.280 --> 0:35:59.399
<v Speaker 3>So after the Cold War started these things you kind

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:01.960
<v Speaker 3>of mentioned itset. They seem to be like different countries

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:04.960
<v Speaker 3>saying like look at how great we are. That was

0:36:05.000 --> 0:36:07.799
<v Speaker 3>a huge part of World's fairs that were during the

0:36:07.800 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 3>Cold War. Especially between the American and the Soviet pavilions. Yeah,

0:36:13.080 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 3>they were like basically like, here's the stage where we

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 3>can show the rest of the world how much better

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:18.920
<v Speaker 3>we are than you Russia and vice versa.

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely, A little fun fact we got to throw

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.520
<v Speaker 1>in there. Do you remember the Montreal Expos which are

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:29.200
<v Speaker 1>now the Washington Nationals in Major League Baseball? That name

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>came from the Montreal Expo that happened in nineteen sixty seven. Yep,

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:37.200
<v Speaker 1>it's fun little fact. New York had a couple of

0:36:37.200 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>big ones and queens. They had one in thirty nine

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:43.320
<v Speaker 1>and forty. The World of Tomorrow was a big theme,

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:48.200
<v Speaker 1>and the debut things like air conditioning, television, nylon stockings

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:53.880
<v Speaker 1>pretty good. They debuted a robot that smoked cigarettes named

0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Electro who had a dog, a robot dog named Sparko,

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 1>And this was kind of notable, mostly for well, for

0:37:02.520 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 1>those things, but also the fact that they were able

0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:08.600
<v Speaker 1>to put a bunch of money into reclaiming Flushing Meadows

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:11.720
<v Speaker 1>in Corona Park, which at the time was a dumping

0:37:11.760 --> 0:37:15.600
<v Speaker 1>ground for ash and just a really gross spot. But

0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, when you fly, if you see men in black,

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:20.759
<v Speaker 1>are you fly over it? It's where the New York

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Mets used to be, and you would see that big

0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>steel globe from Men in Black very famously that was

0:37:28.040 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>the New York World's Fair in thirty nine and forty.

0:37:31.120 --> 0:37:34.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I looked at pictures of electro and he looks

0:37:35.239 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 3>like a nineteen thirty nine robot for sure, huge barrel chest.

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 3>And then like like I a little bit like mister Roboto,

0:37:43.840 --> 0:37:46.200
<v Speaker 3>but a little less detailed in the face, but he

0:37:46.239 --> 0:37:50.120
<v Speaker 3>does smoke cigarettes. I saw it.

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 1>It's nice.

0:37:50.760 --> 0:37:52.640
<v Speaker 3>One of the other things about World Fairs, too, is

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:55.400
<v Speaker 3>depending on what the world was doing, Like for example,

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:57.480
<v Speaker 3>if they were about to enter a world war or

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:01.240
<v Speaker 3>were already embroiled in one, it could make some awkward stuff.

0:38:01.320 --> 0:38:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Like Germany was going to open a pavilion at the

0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:08.280
<v Speaker 3>nineteen thirty nine World's Fair, and after they invaded Czechoslovakia,

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the war was like, no, you're not

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:14.840
<v Speaker 3>allowed here at this World's Fair. The UK, poland Czechoslovakia

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 3>a few other countries that were already involved in World

0:38:17.360 --> 0:38:20.239
<v Speaker 3>War Two had pavilions there, and so like stuff that

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:22.560
<v Speaker 3>was going on in Europe was being reflected in the

0:38:22.600 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 3>World's Fair.

0:38:24.440 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure, we're heading back to Queens because I

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 1>mentioned they had two there, and they had their second

0:38:30.120 --> 0:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>one there in sixty four sixty five, and this was

0:38:32.880 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a pretty pretty big one too. I think this is

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>where that spear came from, was the sixty four sixty

0:38:38.560 --> 0:38:41.799
<v Speaker 1>five if I'm not mistaken. This is where computers really

0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.759
<v Speaker 1>made their first big go. IBM had a huge they

0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:50.360
<v Speaker 1>had like an acre acre size spot display, They had

0:38:50.440 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>a This is where where Walt Disney really made a

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>big splash.

0:38:54.080 --> 0:38:54.279
<v Speaker 3>Two.

0:38:55.120 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I think they debuted It's a small the literal it's

0:38:58.520 --> 0:39:01.520
<v Speaker 1>a small world ride there, mm hmm, which is pretty cool.

0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 1>And then if you've ever been to the Magic Kingdom

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:08.960
<v Speaker 1>in Orlando and rode or ridden the Carousel of Progress

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 1>that need its debut there. That was ge you know,

0:39:13.120 --> 0:39:16.160
<v Speaker 1>and if you've ever written it, it's clearly like a like, hey,

0:39:16.200 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 1>look what's going to happen not too far from now.

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And they did one for the state of Illinois too,

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 3>and I looked that up and apparently they created an

0:39:25.320 --> 0:39:29.640
<v Speaker 3>animatronic talking abe Lincoln, which I believe ended up giving

0:39:29.880 --> 0:39:31.760
<v Speaker 3>rise to the Hall of Presidents.

0:39:32.160 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, just to the creepy era things you can

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:35.040
<v Speaker 1>do at Disney.

0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:38.000
<v Speaker 3>It really is. One of the other things is that

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 3>the nineteen sixty four World's Fair was so g whiz

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.200
<v Speaker 3>look at the future that Isaac Asimov, the great science

0:39:44.280 --> 0:39:50.160
<v Speaker 3>fiction writer, was prompted to write an essay yeah, about

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:54.080
<v Speaker 3>what the World's Fair in twenty fourteen, fifty years in

0:39:54.080 --> 0:39:56.359
<v Speaker 3>the future would look like. And he got some right.

0:39:56.480 --> 0:39:59.600
<v Speaker 3>He missed the mark a little bit, like, for example,

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.440
<v Speaker 3>he got right that robots will neither be common nor

0:40:03.600 --> 0:40:06.759
<v Speaker 3>very good in twenty fourteen, but they will be in existence.

0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.560
<v Speaker 1>That's certainly true. They're getting better now. But twenty fourteen robots,

0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.640
<v Speaker 1>the one I had was not very impressive.

0:40:14.280 --> 0:40:15.360
<v Speaker 3>Did it smoke cigarettes?

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:17.479
<v Speaker 1>Though it did? Well? It did, we did.

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 3>That's the key to a good robot.

0:40:20.280 --> 0:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I had to have a smoking Buddy's.

0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Right, what else, chuck? What else did he say?

0:40:25.600 --> 0:40:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, this one is interesting because it sounds like he

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:29.719
<v Speaker 1>got it just right, but just you know, you'll have

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 1>to hear the after the afterward he said that society

0:40:33.400 --> 0:40:39.319
<v Speaker 1>will suffer mental, emotional, and socio psychological consequences from our technology.

0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.720
<v Speaker 1>And if you read that, you think, man, he'd nailed

0:40:42.760 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>it in nineteen sixty four, like right on the head.

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:49.080
<v Speaker 1>But he had a different take than that. He was like, no,

0:40:49.160 --> 0:40:51.319
<v Speaker 1>that's going to happen because it's going to be like

0:40:51.400 --> 0:40:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Wall E basically where nobody works because robots are doing everything,

0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:59.880
<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna suffer from what he called enforced leisure.

0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:00.520
<v Speaker 3>Mm hm.

0:41:00.560 --> 0:41:02.360
<v Speaker 1>And everyone's just going to be lazy and it's going

0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:04.479
<v Speaker 1>to be awful. And he said the most glorious single

0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:09.000
<v Speaker 1>word in the world will have become work. It's cute.

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:10.840
<v Speaker 3>He missed that mark a little bit for sure.

0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:12.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:41:12.680 --> 0:41:16.279
<v Speaker 3>So the nineteen sixty four World's Fair was basically the

0:41:16.400 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 3>last great World's Fair that the United States ever threw.

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:21.640
<v Speaker 3>There have been plenty of great World's Fairs since then,

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.120
<v Speaker 3>but as far as the US is concerned, sixty four

0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:27.920
<v Speaker 3>was the last good one. Sixty two in Seattle that

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:30.520
<v Speaker 3>gave us the space needle. It was called the Century

0:41:30.560 --> 0:41:34.640
<v Speaker 3>twenty one Expo, and ten million people showed up. And

0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 3>this kind of showed the beginning of a trend of

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:43.760
<v Speaker 3>declining attendants in the fairs that were thrown in America,

0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.239
<v Speaker 3>because this was about the time that Americans decided that

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.239
<v Speaker 3>we wanted to stop being informed.

0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you know, we're not bagging on any of

0:41:53.680 --> 0:41:56.960
<v Speaker 1>these cities and any of their World's Fairs. It's just

0:41:57.160 --> 0:41:59.399
<v Speaker 1>sort of a fact that this is when attendance really

0:41:59.440 --> 0:42:02.200
<v Speaker 1>started to win. Some of them lost a lot of money.

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 1>We love that space needle, but ten million people isn't

0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:08.120
<v Speaker 1>like two years later in New York there were fifty

0:42:08.160 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 1>six million, right. And that brings us to New Orleans

0:42:12.200 --> 0:42:15.799
<v Speaker 1>and the Louisiana World Exposition of nineteen eighty four. New

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Orleans is one of my favorite cities in the world, truly, truly,

0:42:18.880 --> 0:42:21.919
<v Speaker 1>deep down, I love New Orleans. Nice, but they put

0:42:21.960 --> 0:42:26.279
<v Speaker 1>on a pretty shoddy World's Fair in nineteen eighty four.

0:42:26.600 --> 0:42:28.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean it was really heavy on the New

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Orleans culture, Like they have a lot to show scroff

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:34.520
<v Speaker 3>as far as that's concerned. The amphitheater there was designed

0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.759
<v Speaker 3>by Frank Geary. The parts that were done well were

0:42:37.800 --> 0:42:42.280
<v Speaker 3>just little magical spots, right, Yeah. But there are also

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.800
<v Speaker 3>lots of parts that were like asphalt and concrete thoroughfares

0:42:46.920 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 3>that just kind of looked like like just something you

0:42:51.000 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 3>might stumble upon in a park in a small town

0:42:53.920 --> 0:42:56.520
<v Speaker 3>at some point, like with the booths set up along

0:42:56.640 --> 0:43:00.720
<v Speaker 3>each side. Some of the actual design struck and buildings

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 3>were very very bland. And then one of the main

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 3>reasons they wanted to throw this was because they wanted

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 3>to revitalize New Orleans as a town where you could

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:14.279
<v Speaker 3>just come outside of Marti Graus, outside of JazzFest, like

0:43:14.360 --> 0:43:16.520
<v Speaker 3>you can just come anytime and it'll be fun. So

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:20.600
<v Speaker 3>the riverfront that they were promoting was largely abandoned, was

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.319
<v Speaker 3>pretty run down, and this is where they built the

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.480
<v Speaker 3>World's Fair area, so you could kind of see the

0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:29.880
<v Speaker 3>reality of the area at the edges pretty clearly.

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean some of the stuff wasn't even finished.

0:43:33.400 --> 0:43:36.480
<v Speaker 1>So this isn't just us again, like with our opinions

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:40.759
<v Speaker 1>on things like when you have two massive alligator statues

0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:44.080
<v Speaker 1>atop the Wonder Wall and Bayou Plaza and they're not

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:48.319
<v Speaker 1>done and along their backs there's not even you know,

0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:51.320
<v Speaker 1>alligator scales and it's just the metal structure that was underneath.

0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 1>It's not great. It was unfinished. They you know, if

0:43:56.840 --> 0:43:58.880
<v Speaker 1>you were from New Orleans and Louisiana, you probably had

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:01.359
<v Speaker 1>a great time. A lot of people had a great time,

0:44:01.400 --> 0:44:04.960
<v Speaker 1>but they you know, Ronald Reagan didn't even go. I

0:44:04.960 --> 0:44:07.879
<v Speaker 1>think the president almost always goes or had always gone

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>to attend the opening, less than ten million people went,

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:14.239
<v Speaker 1>and they lost a ton of money on it.

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so to be fair, like, this wasn't just

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:20.680
<v Speaker 3>New Orleans faulty. They were victims of this long standing

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.800
<v Speaker 3>or this trend. Yeah, I guess it was long standing

0:44:23.840 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 3>by then of American attendance being pretty shoddy. Yeah. The

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:31.319
<v Speaker 3>Knoxville World's Fair, which gave us the Sun's Fear, which

0:44:31.400 --> 0:44:34.920
<v Speaker 3>is that one that was held two years before Epcot

0:44:34.960 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 3>came along two years before, and it built itself as

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:41.960
<v Speaker 3>a permanent World's Fair. Not fair, Nope. The Olympics were

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 3>being held in La that same year, and it was

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.160
<v Speaker 3>sucking a lot of the enthusiasm and energy over to

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 3>the West Coast plus Louisiana and surrounding states like Texas,

0:44:51.600 --> 0:44:54.240
<v Speaker 3>where you would rely on a lot of your visitors

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 3>to come from their local economies just went in the

0:44:57.800 --> 0:45:01.280
<v Speaker 3>toilet because the oil industry hit a huge bust time.

0:45:02.320 --> 0:45:04.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I think the organizers for the New

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>Orleans Fair went bankrupt. They lost more than one hundred

0:45:07.719 --> 0:45:12.160
<v Speaker 1>and twenty million bucks. Creditors apparently allegedly got back eight

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.200
<v Speaker 1>cents on the dollar. And it was it was such

0:45:15.239 --> 0:45:18.080
<v Speaker 1>a bus that they canceled the nineteen ninety two World's

0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:22.920
<v Speaker 1>Fair in Chicago. Yeah, it was. It was not great.

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 3>No, But like we said that, there have been plenty

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 3>of There were plenty of non American thrown World Fairs

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 3>that were outstanding. One of the ones that frequently gets

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:38.279
<v Speaker 3>pointed to is Osaka in nineteen seventy. And this is

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:40.879
<v Speaker 3>about the time. So Europe kind of kicked it off.

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:43.440
<v Speaker 3>It spread throughout the world. America did its best to

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 3>kind of take over for a while, and then it

0:45:46.000 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 3>moved east. The kind of the epicenter of where World's

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.240
<v Speaker 3>Fairs are held moved from the to the Middle East

0:45:53.239 --> 0:45:56.080
<v Speaker 3>and East generally more often than not these days. And

0:45:56.320 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 3>Osaka seventy seemed to kind of kick that off.

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:03.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. They debuted Imax movies in nineteen seventy and Osaka

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 1>with a seventeen minute film called Tiger Child. I think

0:46:07.800 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 1>to the twenty ten Expo in Shanghai, I think has

0:46:11.080 --> 0:46:15.640
<v Speaker 1>the record right of visitors, seventy three million people, the

0:46:15.719 --> 0:46:18.560
<v Speaker 1>largest of all time. So that's you know, they're certainly

0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 1>not dead. I was wondering at some point a couple

0:46:22.200 --> 0:46:23.920
<v Speaker 1>of years ago, like what happened to the World's fairs,

0:46:23.960 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 1>and you know, they're just happening in a big, big

0:46:26.280 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>way in places like Shanghai, so it's not as much

0:46:28.640 --> 0:46:32.560
<v Speaker 1>on my radar. And also I think things like CEES,

0:46:32.680 --> 0:46:36.799
<v Speaker 1>the Consumer Electronics Show and other sort of specific industry

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:41.120
<v Speaker 1>expos and trade shows have sort of dampened the appetite

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 1>for these, you think.

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<v Speaker 3>For sure, but they are still around. Osaka is going

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<v Speaker 3>to hold another one or I'm sorry it held another

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<v Speaker 3>one in twenty twenty five. There's one in Belgrade Survior Belgrad,

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<v Speaker 3>can't remember which what you say, that's coming in twenty

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<v Speaker 3>twenty seven, and then Riad, Saudi Arabia is I think

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<v Speaker 3>the furthest Out one that's already scheduled for twenty thirty,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's definitely still happening. I would like to go

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<v Speaker 3>to one, just to see what the heck's going on.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd like to go to the Bellgrade one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that'd be cool.

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<v Speaker 3>And also just one other thing, I want to just

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<v Speaker 3>shout out Expo seventy in Osaka. That is where Umi's

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<v Speaker 3>aunt and uncle met. Oh nice, yeah, I thought so too.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a smoking robot, she was a showgirl.

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<v Speaker 1>Classic story.

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<v Speaker 3>You got anything else? I got nothing else all right,

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's it, everybody. That's World's Fairs. I guess we'll

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<v Speaker 3>see you in Belgrade in twenty twenty seven. And until then, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 3>I say, it's time for listener mail.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. We heard from a lot of people about

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<v Speaker 1>our short stuff on the mcguffin. We're talking about that,

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<v Speaker 1>which was pretty it was pretty fun. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of appropriate that we couldn't quite define it,

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<v Speaker 1>cause it's quite hard to define.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, fair enough, but we heard.

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<v Speaker 1>From a writer director legit. Hey guys, I'm a writer

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<v Speaker 1>director from lat I could share how I've always viewed

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<v Speaker 1>the mcguffin. When you're trying to develop a film plot,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have a specific location or scenario that you

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<v Speaker 1>want your characters to end up in, but sometimes you

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<v Speaker 1>can't think of a natural way to get them there.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where you throw into mcguffin. In fact, if

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<v Speaker 1>you're really in the zone while you're writing, you can

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<v Speaker 1>use it as a placeholder even and say, like the

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<v Speaker 1>protagonist stops by the house to grab a mcguffin, only

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<v Speaker 1>to find a dead body in the art. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons it can be difficult to identify a mcguffin

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<v Speaker 1>from a specific movie is because the writer might be

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<v Speaker 1>disguising it to avoid what could be perceived as lazy screenwriting.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the more obvious examples is a character needing

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<v Speaker 1>to find the secret map that leads to the treasure

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<v Speaker 1>or the next clue. That is from Josh Beck, writer director,

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, we heard from a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>One was kind of funny. We heard from somebody who

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<v Speaker 1>kind of said, I don't care what George Lucas says.

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<v Speaker 1>R two D two is not a mcguffin. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>plans that are mcguffin, because the person is never the mcguffin,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the object. And I had the great sorrow to

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<v Speaker 1>write this person and say, I'm sorry to break it

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<v Speaker 1>to you, but Archie dtwo is an object and not

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<v Speaker 1>a person. I know it's true, though, Like if the

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<v Speaker 1>whole point to this writer's email was hey, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the person, it's the object, it's like, well, and android

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a person.

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<v Speaker 3>So I feel like then Josh backed you up that

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<v Speaker 3>the mcguffin is totally irrelevant to what you care about

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<v Speaker 3>in the whole thing, and that it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>this thing that gets you to the thing that's the point,

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<v Speaker 3>which is basically what you were saying. Yes, okay, so

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<v Speaker 3>the first time when you brought it up in some

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<v Speaker 3>other episode and that short stuff, you stuck to your gun,

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<v Speaker 3>So it sounds like you were right. But then all

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<v Speaker 3>of those people out there who are like Multi's falcon

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<v Speaker 3>is the quintessential example of the mcguffin, that is just wrong.

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<v Speaker 3>Then that's not true. Yes, it's the point of the

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<v Speaker 3>whole thing. Everything everyone's doing is centered around getting their

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<v Speaker 3>hands on the Maltese falcon. Nothing else matters. There's no

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<v Speaker 3>interpersonal stuff that really matters. That is the point of everything.

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<v Speaker 3>So it can't possibly be a mcguffin.

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<v Speaker 1>Is But is the Maltese falcon itself important? Like yes, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what what does it do?

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<v Speaker 3>It gives you riches beyond measure?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, it's like yes.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's irreplaceable. It's its own thing. It's it is

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<v Speaker 3>not a mcguffin, And I don't ever want to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about mcguffins again after this. I'm so sorry that I

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<v Speaker 3>ever brought it up.

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<v Speaker 1>We also heard from a lot of people who pointed

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<v Speaker 1>out the Big Bang Theory TV show thing where they

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<v Speaker 1>say that Indiana Jones was a mcguffin himself. That's because

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<v Speaker 1>if he was not a part of that movie, like nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing would have mattered, Like the the Nazis would have

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<v Speaker 1>opened up the arc and it would have killed them

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<v Speaker 1>all and nothing would have changed.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know about that, because it ended up

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<v Speaker 1>in his hands and ended up in the storage. But

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a huh. I hadn't thought about that point. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>that Chuck Laurie, he's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Did I ever tell you about the time we were

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<v Speaker 3>in Los Angeles and it was the day after Charlie

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<v Speaker 3>Sheen's meltdown and like the entire future of like that

0:51:18.280 --> 0:51:23.280
<v Speaker 3>whole show was up in the air. We just happened

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<v Speaker 3>to be in LA that one day, and I just

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<v Speaker 3>happened to be walking at the McDonald's that John Cryer

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<v Speaker 3>happened to go to and started stress eating like a

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<v Speaker 3>McMuffin in his Mercedes.

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<v Speaker 1>A mcguffin. Now I remember you telling me that story.

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<v Speaker 1>That is incredible.

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<v Speaker 3>Think about the timing, all the different little things that

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<v Speaker 3>had to happen to just bring me to pass to

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<v Speaker 3>see that one guy whose issues were on the world

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<v Speaker 3>stage right then yea, it was nuts. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 3>hope he's doing better.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, he's doing fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Good. Well, that was Josh who wrote in, And thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to everybody who wrote in about mcguffin's. We did get

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