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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know.

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Speaker 2: A production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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Speaker 3: Chuck and it's just us today. Jerry's out on vacation.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she's at a conference, and this is the

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Speaker 3: stuff you should know.

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Speaker 1: That's right, This was your idea, and something about it

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Speaker 1: just smacks of kind of classic stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: where we talk about a bygone era in a way.

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Speaker 3: And so yeah, we're talking about world's fairs today. Depending

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Speaker 3: on where you are in the world, you might call

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Speaker 3: them international expositions, universal expositions, you might just call them

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Speaker 3: expose if you're pressed for time. Sure, And I thought, maybe, Chuck,

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Speaker 3: we would just do this entire episode in gibberish that

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Speaker 3: only you and I can understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great idea.

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Speaker 3: This is the one. We're finally gonna do.

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Speaker 1: It, all right, let's do it.

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Speaker 3: On second thought, let's not do it. Let's not do

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Speaker 3: it all right. So well, let's set the stage then

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Speaker 3: in plain English. It's hard to kind of understand now,

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Speaker 3: because we live in a world, and generally grew up

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Speaker 3: in a world that if we didn't have internet when

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Speaker 3: we were kids, we still had television, cable television, no less.

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Speaker 3: Before that, generations had radio and then yes, now today

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Speaker 3: we can basically go anywhere see anything, even stuff you

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Speaker 3: don't want to see, because everyone generally has access to

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Speaker 3: the internet, right. Yeah, before all of this, like being

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Speaker 3: exposed to new ideas, new things, seeing what the latest

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Speaker 3: cutting edge stuff was, that was not a common thing

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Speaker 3: for the average person, Like you just did not see

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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff, and that was generally the role

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Speaker 3: that World's fairs played.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was that, And like every time I was

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Speaker 1: reading about the different ones from the different nations, it

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Speaker 1: was very much like, hey, look at how great we're doing, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like I mean obviously trying to supur commerce

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Speaker 1: and trade and stuff like that, but a lot of

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Speaker 1: it was sort of showing off.

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Speaker 3: It was showing off. It was showing off, like all

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Speaker 3: the technological prowess and all the future ideas that are

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Speaker 3: coming down the pike that each country was working on.

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Speaker 3: There was lots of corporate exhibits eventually, and it sounds

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Speaker 3: to me like a cool place to have been. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Like if I had a big list to pick from

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Speaker 3: probably go to a couple of these.

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Speaker 1: Oh all right, so Woodstock, the inauguration of Jimmy Carter

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Speaker 1: and the World's Fair.

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Speaker 3: That's right. Well, let's get into the history of this,

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Speaker 3: shall we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because they didn't start as World's fares. If you

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Speaker 1: want to track the prehistory, you got to go to

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Speaker 1: the National Affairs. Sure, England was holding these in the

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Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds, barely. I think seventeen fifty four was the

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Speaker 1: first real one when the what would later be the

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Speaker 1: guess they were just the Society for Arts. They had

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Speaker 3: Yes, and there was this kind of this new idea

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it was old timey, but for the time

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Speaker 1: Know, steampowered oomph.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: I guess not yet, but steam is coming. Don't worry.

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Speaker 1: France would get involved. They saw what England was doing

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Speaker 1: So they started holding theirs also in the late eighteenth century,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you can feel good about being French. Yeah, in

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Speaker 3: France becomes like basically the apex of world's fairs eventually

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Speaker 3: Prince Albert. Oh yeah, he hosted the Great Exhibition of

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Speaker 3: the Works of Industry of All Nations in eighteen fifty one,

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Speaker 3: and this was what basically everyone who knows about world's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one calls it the Great Exhibition of the

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Speaker 1: Works of the industry of all nations, right except for

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Speaker 1: us because we're being technical. Because everyone calls it the

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Speaker 1: Crystal Palace exhibition because that's where they built the Crystal Palace.

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Speaker 1: It was in Hyde Park from May to October eighteen

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Speaker 1: fifty one. And they wanted a real you know, and

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Speaker 1: And in fact it was built by a greenhouse builder

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a real ring and ding ding greenhouse.

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Speaker 3: I mean, an eighteen acre greenhouse is not easy to make, right,

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Speaker 3: So yes, it knocked everyone's socks off for sure. You

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Speaker 3: it was also capable of holding fourteen thousand exhibits. Yeah, man,

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Speaker 3: about half of them were from Britain, and one of

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Speaker 3: the reasons that Prince Albert wanted to do this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like, hey, we got a bunch of

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Speaker 3: then you can place your orders on your way out

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Speaker 1: I wonder if they could you really place orders? I'll

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Speaker 1: bet you d you think so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So there was about five hundred and sixty exhibits

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Speaker 3: repeating pistol, and I guarantee you could have been like,

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Speaker 3: I want to order some of those, give me some

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Speaker 3: right now so I can shoot in the air in

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Speaker 3: the Crystal Palace.

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Speaker 1: I bet you could have left there with a cult

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Speaker 3: Probably yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. But I promised steam, and that is that first

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Speaker 1: well as the automated cotton mule. Sure for spinning France.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think you said US had five sixty.

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Speaker 1: France had seventeen hundred and sixty exhibits. In addition to

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Speaker 1: the cult repeating pistol. Did you mention chewing tobacco? I

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Speaker 1: did not, And that's where we debuted as a nation. Hey,

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Speaker 1: look what we've come up with, chewing tobacco, which I

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Speaker 1: imagine we stole from indigenous peoples here.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but we really kind of americanized that the person

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Speaker 1: Time, right, and dance on maybe artificial legs, because artificial

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Speaker 1: legs were debuted by the United States there.

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Speaker 3: That's right. We really just had one exhibit and they

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Speaker 3: were everything compressed together.

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Speaker 1: Guy dancing on artificial egg shooting his pistol in the

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's exactly right. So yeah, this is obviously a

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Speaker 3: huge hit. It actually made money for the organizers, which

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Speaker 3: was not the case for all the world's fairs to come.

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Speaker 3: But because of that a lot of people around the

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Speaker 3: and Paris said we're first. There was one in Dublin,

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Speaker 3: there was one in Cork, there was one in Munich,

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Speaker 3: there was one in New York. But really everything kind

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. I mean the other ones were legit

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Speaker 1: World's Fairs. I think the one in New York in

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Speaker 1: That was a long one July to November. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Exhibition of the Industry of All Nations. In that case,

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Speaker 1: they did okay, but they were They clearly copied the

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Speaker 1: Crystal Palace. They built their own there in Bryant Park,

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Speaker 1: but they lost money. I think the first US one

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Speaker 1: Philly in eighteen seventy six.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that was a centennial exhibition where the typewriter

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Speaker 3: also the largest steam engine ever. Yeah, apparently still holds

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Speaker 3: to deliver it to the exhibition in Philadelphia, and when

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Speaker 3: World's Fair came to life because they were all being

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty fun little knock your socks off moment.

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Speaker 1: I think, like everyone's standing around. Well, I guess it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, But this whole thing it really I mean, it

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Speaker 3: Paris hadn't come. Yeah, I'm just really excited about Paris

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they took over in a big way.

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Speaker 1: They hosted eight of them between eighteen fifty five and

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Speaker 1: other nations when they hosted, the government kind of really hosted.

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Speaker 1: In America, it was a lot of like corporate entities

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Speaker 1: from the beginning along with the government, but Paris really

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Speaker 1: Napoleon really was showing off in the first and second ones,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that was a big part of

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Speaker 3: those European ones. Like you said, the Paris ones also

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Speaker 3: more charmingly, had fountains, Like almost all of them had

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Speaker 3: a really cool fountain, and a lot of those fountains

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Speaker 3: are left over. There's one from eighteen eighty nine called

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Speaker 3: the Fountain of Progress, and it is the first water

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Speaker 3: feature to have electric lights inside that shined up from underwater,

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Speaker 3: which to me is still quite impressive.

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Speaker 1: You had, do you think when they debuted it, they

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Speaker 1: were like, and we're gonna have Jacques stand in the

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Speaker 1: fountain while we turned it on. We're pretty sure it's

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Speaker 3: No one likes shock anyway, so don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it all worked out for shock though. Now. But

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Speaker 1: I'm still like when I see a swimming pool light,

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Speaker 3: As far as popular histories go. It is easily in

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Speaker 3: the top five. Yeah.

439
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Speaker 1: Man, they did read this.

440
00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 3: So good, so readable. He does such a great job

441
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,920
Speaker 3: of putting you there, and it is like it does

442
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 3: cover HH Holmes and all the terrible stuff he does

443
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 3: in depth, but it also covers the fair in depth.

444
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,200
Speaker 3: It's just it was an amazing thing.

445
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we're going to cover the fair not so

446
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: in depth, but we're going to mention a few things.

447
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: For sure. This is where we got cracker jacks. This

448
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: is where we got the dishwasher. Sure, this is where

449
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: we got the modern zipper, which they called a clasp

450
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: blocker at the time.

451
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:53,680
Speaker 3: We did an episode on that too in twenty twenty.

452
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Speaker 1: That's right.

453
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Speaker 3: What else The ferris wheel came from the eighteen ninety

454
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Speaker 3: three expedition, which very quickly after that became like a

455
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Speaker 3: staple of world's fares. And it was very appropriately designed

456
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: by George Washington Gale Ferris Junior, who was from Pittsburgh,

457
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 3: and the first one he designed was two hundred and

458
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,359
Speaker 3: sixty four feet tall, thirty six cars and offered a

459
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Speaker 3: twenty minute ride in exchange for fifty cents, which is

460
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,800
Speaker 3: about eighteen dollars today. And you could see the whole

461
00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,679
Speaker 3: dang fare from the top of that ferris wheel, and

462
00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 3: it blew people's minds.

463
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was. When I was reading this,

464
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Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting that they became a thing,

465
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Speaker 1: but like more like a at least in the United States,

466
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,920
Speaker 1: more like a fair grounds or a carnival thing. And

467
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Speaker 1: just more recently, like the past, like fifteen or twenty years,

468
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Speaker 1: I feel like went back to this original idea, put

469
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Speaker 1: like a huge ferris wheel in a downtown city just

470
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Speaker 1: so you can see stuff.

471
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and bear in mind. Also at the time we

472
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 3: kind of take it for granted now, But in the

473
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 3: same way that you, the average person was not exposed

474
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,120
Speaker 3: to cutting edge techne and new ideas and awesome new

475
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,959
Speaker 3: products and stuff. People, especially in the Midwestern United States,

476
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: we're not exposed to a view of two hundred and

477
00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 3: sixty four feet like this is an extremely novel experience

478
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: for most of the people who attended that fair.

479
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure, Atlanta's got one. You ever been

480
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: on that one?

481
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Speaker 3: No? I have not. I haven't been on a ferris

482
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Speaker 3: wheel in a long long time.

483
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, London has the eye, Atlanta has theirs.

484
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Speaker 1: It's you know, it's it was fun to take Ruby

485
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: when she was little, but like, there's no reason for

486
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: you to go on it.

487
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 3: Okay, good to know, even the London I have you

488
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 3: been on that one?

489
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Speaker 1: I haven't been on that. But hey, there's a Ted's

490
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: Montana Grill right there. The Tabernacle's right there. So if

491
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 1: you got tickets to see a show at the Tabernacle,

492
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 1: go eat at Ted's Montana Grill, have a Beisenberger check

493
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: right on the ferris wheel, and then you've done it.

494
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Speaker 3: We're going to see Echo and the bunnymen in May,

495
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Speaker 3: so we'll ride the ferris whee.

496
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Speaker 1: Remind me about that before it happens, because I might

497
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Speaker 1: meet you there.

498
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 3: I just did, right.

499
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: No, man, that's in May. You got to remind me, like.

500
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: Three days I will. Maybe we can ride the ferris

501
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 3: wheel together, you me, you, me, and Emily.

502
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, our Instagram would blow up? Would you believe it?

503
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: I think I just blew some people's minds by saying you, me, you, me,

504
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:19,640
Speaker 3: and Emily.

505
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, people get duck confused a lot. This is way

506
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: off target because we were just talking about something that

507
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: reminded me of it. But I had a funny Simpsons

508
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: reference last night.

509
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,840
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, you're about to go on a tangent

510
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 3: because those aren't allowed on our podcast.

511
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 1: Do you ever make a joke that you know no

512
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: one else will get? But so it's really a joke

513
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: for you of.

514
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 3: Like eighty percent of the time.

515
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: Maybe I was watching or Emily was gone last night,

516
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: so Ruby and I had a daddy daughter night in

517
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: which we usually like order cheeseburgers and watch a like

518
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 1: an action movie or something cute. And I showed her

519
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: speed last night. Huh, And I queued it up and

520
00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: I was like, you're gonna love this. I'm not going

521
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,240
Speaker 1: to tell you anything about it, and she was like, no, wait,

522
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 1: will you at least tell me the name of it.

523
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: I know it's called the Bus that Couldn't slow Down?

524
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,640
Speaker 1: And she was like really, and I went, no, it's

525
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: a Simpson's joke. And then she wouldn't just let it go.

526
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: She had me explain the whole thing, which you know,

527
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 1: fell in deaf ears. But it's one of my all

528
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,959
Speaker 1: time favorite kind of Simpsons jokes.

529
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 3: I don't remember that joke.

530
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: It was Homer was describing a movie that he had

531
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: just seen and he was like, oh, yeah, it's a

532
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: bus whose speed couldn't slow down because if it had

533
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: less speed it would blow up and the speed would

534
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: cause it to whatever. And he said speed like eight times.

535
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: And yeah, they asked him what the name of it was.

536
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: He said, the Bus that Couldn't slow down.

537
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,359
Speaker 3: Man, that show just keeps on giving doesn't know.

538
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: Speed holds up pretty good too.

539
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 3: By the way, Oh yeah, Keyunu Reeve's short hair is

540
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 3: really great in that movie.

541
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,159
Speaker 1: Yeah he was hunky and it's like, uh yeah, it

542
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 1: really it was. I mean, it's so action packed. It

543
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: was it was great. I enjoyed it.

544
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Dennis Hopper is a bad guy, crazed bad guy

545
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:02,679
Speaker 3: is pretty much timeless.

546
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 1: He's great, And I remember the bus stuff, but that's

547
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: just the middle part. I forgot the whole first part.

548
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: In the last part, which was also tons of action.

549
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: I don't remember that.

550
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, go back and then watch it. We'll watch it

551
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: before we go. In the ferris Wheel.

552
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 3: We just did a mini crush, I know we did.

553
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: Where are we? Oh, we're back at eighteen ninety three,

554
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: because that's where electricity really came in.

555
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, that was another big thing in Devil in

556
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,919
Speaker 3: the White City. They really went behind the scenes. I

557
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 3: think there was a huge struggle between George Westinghouse and

558
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: Thomas Edison to get the contract to light the eighteen

559
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:39,440
Speaker 3: ninety three World's Fair in Westinghouse won yes, and he

560
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 3: lit this fare up in Yeah, it was gorgeous. I

561
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 3: didn't see it, but I read Eric Larson's description and

562
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 3: it sounded just totally amazing.

563
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds cool. That's also where Chicago really got

564
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: a lot of its beautiful architecture that we love today. Yeah,

565
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,239
Speaker 1: with their neoclassical buildings, A lot of more temporary at

566
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,879
Speaker 1: the time, and that's why they called it the White City,

567
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: but it really influenced the design going forward to promote

568
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: that bows arts style. Is that how you say yeah thanks?

569
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: And also if you're wondering like did they do that

570
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,000
Speaker 1: at other fairs? That's we got art deco from the

571
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty five exhibit in Paris.

572
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 3: Yes, And a little traveler's tip here, if you ever

573
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 3: find yourself in New Zealand, I think the northern part

574
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 3: of it to you yourself a favor and go visit.

575
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 3: Napier is a small town. I don't remember what part

576
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 3: of New Zealand it's in, but you really can't miss

577
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 3: anything in New Zealand. It's not that big. And it

578
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 3: suffered an earthquake and I think nineteen thirty one and

579
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: like the whole downtown was leveled. So they were like, well,

580
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 3: what style is in right now? Oh? Art Deco, So

581
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 3: they rebuilt their entire downtown in Art deco, all these

582
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: amazing different buildings and amazing different colors and they have

583
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: preserved it like perfectly.

584
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: Oh man, I love art deco. I got to check

585
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 1: that out.

586
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 3: Oh yes, this is the Art Deco town known internationally

587
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 3: as the Art Deco.

588
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 1: Had never heard of it. I thought you were going

589
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: to recommend the River Tour, the architectural tour in Chicago.

590
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 3: I didn't take that one. That sounds kind of cool, though.

591
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: It's awesome for like a big, sort of large mass

592
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: tour thing. It's really great.

593
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: Did Faris Buehler go on that in the movie? Because

594
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 3: I know he was on a boat at some point,

595
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 3: or they showed people on a boat.

596
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a shot of that or not.

597
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: All right, well let's just say there is.

598
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: Okay, but I did it, Chuck Buehler did.

599
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,479
Speaker 3: Okay. Oh yeah, So that was eighteen ninety three, Like

600
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: we said, go read that book. You will not regret it.

601
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: And then jumping forward a little bit, but staying in

602
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 3: the United States, there was a Saint Louis World's Fair

603
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 3: in nineteen oh four. Have you ever seen meet me

604
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 3: in Saint Louis?

605
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: Chuck, No, I take it that was you. That added

606
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: that was a terrible sat a terrible musical.

607
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: Yes it was. It was like I didn't want to

608
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 3: be I didn't want to exist for those couple of

609
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 3: hours while I was sitting there watching this play. It's

610
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: so dumb and the music is so stupid and everything

611
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,080
Speaker 3: about it is just terrible. Where do you see this

612
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: at the Fox?

613
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: Wow? So like of a Broadway revival?

614
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this period of American history, I just find

615
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 3: creepy and I don't really like it anyway. You know,

616
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: there's a lot of like susaphone music and stuff like that. Okay,

617
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 3: So and this is like a whole thing set at

618
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: that time and it's just it's not good dude.

619
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Speaker 1: Wow, all right.

620
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: Okay, So don't see it.

621
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: Okay, go see Hell's Kitchen instead or Operation Mincemeat.

622
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 3: Okay. But also there's a lot of misconstrued facts, I guess.

623
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, this sounds like a bit of a I

624
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't like the nineteen oh four exhibit

625
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: because they they said a lot of people say, like

626
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: that's where the hamburger came from, and the hot dog

627
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: and the ice cream cone, and some of that stuff

628
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: is partly true.

629
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 3: Right, Yes, hot dogs were first served in buns at

630
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 3: the nineteen oh four fair, but hot dogs already existed, right,

631
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 3: ice cream cone wasn't invented there, But this is where

632
00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: the first place where a lot of people saw ice

633
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 3: cream cones. For the first time.

634
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: It sounds like a bunch of junk food.

635
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely was. Cotton candy was debuted at the

636
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 3: nineteen oh four Fair, and I feel like there's a

637
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 3: nice little twist to the inventor, don't you.

638
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he sold it as fairy floss. His name was

639
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: William J. Morrison and he was in fact a dentist.

640
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: I think that's one of those little fun facts that

641
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: people like to throw around. Absolutely true. But it was

642
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: also doctor Pepper debuted there, jello puffed ry cereal. It

643
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: sounds just like a bunch of like American junk.

644
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where a lot of it came from,

645
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 3: for sure. And then also just we might edit this

646
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 3: part up, but just between you and me, the first

647
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 3: electric plug and socket debuted there too, which is pretty

648
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 3: say significant. But I want to give a little hat

649
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 3: tip to Livia for explaining what an electric plug and

650
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 3: socket does, which allowed lights and appliances to be safely

651
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: attached to and detached from a central power supply.

652
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: Oh man, that is best.

653
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 3: That's the dedication that we can expect from Livia.

654
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: And also you can get way more in depth information.

655
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Speaker 1: We kind of did a whole episode that covered this

656
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Speaker 1: kind of thing in twenty nineteen our episode on human

657
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: zoos and how awful they were, right, but they had

658
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: stuff like that here, like Native villages and that's in

659
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: quotes where they had very offensive, sort of misleading exhibits

660
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 1: about Indigenous Americans and Filipinos and Africans and yeah, just

661
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: a sort of a bummer of a world spare, I.

662
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: Think, yeah, for sure. Yeah, they would basically be like, hey,

663
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 3: let's take every single racist conception or misconception and attitude

664
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 3: what we have toward all these different groups and bring

665
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: them to life. Yeah, that's exactly what it was. So yeah,

666
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: that was it was a good episode, and that it was.

667
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 3: It explained it pretty well, but it was definitely a

668
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: bummer of an episode for sure.

669
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you could wash it all down with the

670
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 1: doctor Pepper, So what could be wrong?

671
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: That's right, and give somebody a big smile and like

672
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 3: half of your teeth are missing?

673
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: All right. I think we're at our second break point,

674
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about sort of the next wave of

675
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: worlds fares and then kind of the death of worlds

676
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: fares right after this.

677
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: Well, now we're on the road, driving in your truck.

678
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 2: Want to learn a thing or two from Josh Chuck.

679
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 2: It's stuff you should know, all right.

680
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: So after World War One, worlds fares became less common

681
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: and less successful. I blame uh going off of the

682
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: gold standard, right, but there's still plenty that came along

683
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 3: that you'll if you know anything about World's fares, pay

684
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 3: any kind of attention to it. You'd be like, no,

685
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 3: there was Expos sixty seven in Montreal, or there was

686
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 3: Expos seventy in Osaka, Japan. Yes, yes, we'll get to

687
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 3: all those. But the general point is here is that

688
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 3: they were less successful because people started to see radio,

689
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 3: there were movies, or they started to listen to radio.

690
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 3: Movies became widespread and very popular. And then simultaneously to that,

691
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 3: there were so many World's fairs to choose from. No

692
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 3: matter where you were in the world, you might be

693
00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 3: in a large air, a large city that has multiple

694
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 3: World's fairs competing with one another, in the same region,

695
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: certainly the same country. That happened, and it became a

696
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: bit of a mess. So this group called the Bureau

697
00:34:54,680 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: International Expositions, the BIE, established in Paris. Of course, they

698
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: said we're going to step in, We're going to start

699
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 3: regulating these events. We're going to take this mess. We're

700
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,239
Speaker 3: going to mash it into a Devil's Tower plateau of

701
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 3: mashed potatoes. We're going to create something coherent out of it.

702
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: Wow. Nice ref Yeah, they established some rules. Well, the

703
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: first rule was like, unless it's officially sanctioned by US,

704
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: it's not even a World's fare. So you got to

705
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: go through US. It can't be more than six months.

706
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: You can't run these things for nine twelve months. You

707
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: got to have a theme, like get it together. Everyone

708
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: like a party with a theme is so much better. Sure,

709
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: And since then, this was in nineteen twenty eight, there

710
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: have only been fifty World's Fairs since. I guess they

711
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: established in nineteen twenty eight, but nineteen thirty one is

712
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 1: when they officially started sanctioning them, and there's only been

713
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: fifty since then.

714
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah. Can you imagine some poor guy who's like, hey,

715
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 3: this isn't an official World's fair, wants their money back.

716
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

717
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,399
Speaker 3: So after the Cold War started these things you kind

718
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: of mentioned itset. They seem to be like different countries

719
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 3: saying like look at how great we are. That was

720
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: a huge part of World's fairs that were during the

721
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 3: Cold War. Especially between the American and the Soviet pavilions. Yeah,

722
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 3: they were like basically like, here's the stage where we

723
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 3: can show the rest of the world how much better

724
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 3: we are than you Russia and vice versa.

725
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, A little fun fact we got to throw

726
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: in there. Do you remember the Montreal Expos which are

727
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: now the Washington Nationals in Major League Baseball? That name

728
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: came from the Montreal Expo that happened in nineteen sixty seven. Yep,

729
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: it's fun little fact. New York had a couple of

730
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: big ones and queens. They had one in thirty nine

731
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: and forty. The World of Tomorrow was a big theme,

732
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: and the debut things like air conditioning, television, nylon stockings

733
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: pretty good. They debuted a robot that smoked cigarettes named

734
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 1: Electro who had a dog, a robot dog named Sparko,

735
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: And this was kind of notable, mostly for well, for

736
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: those things, but also the fact that they were able

737
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: to put a bunch of money into reclaiming Flushing Meadows

738
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,720
Speaker 1: in Corona Park, which at the time was a dumping

739
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: ground for ash and just a really gross spot. But

740
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 1: you know, when you fly, if you see men in black,

741
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: are you fly over it? It's where the New York

742
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: Mets used to be, and you would see that big

743
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: steel globe from Men in Black very famously that was

744
00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: the New York World's Fair in thirty nine and forty.

745
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. I looked at pictures of electro and he looks

746
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 3: like a nineteen thirty nine robot for sure, huge barrel chest.

747
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: And then like like I a little bit like mister Roboto,

748
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 3: but a little less detailed in the face, but he

749
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: does smoke cigarettes. I saw it.

750
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: It's nice.

751
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: One of the other things about World Fairs, too, is

752
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: depending on what the world was doing, Like for example,

753
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: if they were about to enter a world war or

754
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,240
Speaker 3: were already embroiled in one, it could make some awkward stuff.

755
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: Like Germany was going to open a pavilion at the

756
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 3: nineteen thirty nine World's Fair, and after they invaded Czechoslovakia,

757
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 3: the rest of the war was like, no, you're not

758
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: allowed here at this World's Fair. The UK, poland Czechoslovakia

759
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 3: a few other countries that were already involved in World

760
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 3: War Two had pavilions there, and so like stuff that

761
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 3: was going on in Europe was being reflected in the

762
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 3: World's Fair.

763
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, we're heading back to Queens because I

764
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 1: mentioned they had two there, and they had their second

765
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: one there in sixty four sixty five, and this was

766
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: a pretty pretty big one too. I think this is

767
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: where that spear came from, was the sixty four sixty

768
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: five if I'm not mistaken. This is where computers really

769
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: made their first big go. IBM had a huge they

770
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 1: had like an acre acre size spot display, They had

771
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: a This is where where Walt Disney really made a

772
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: big splash.

773
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: Two.

774
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: I think they debuted It's a small the literal it's

775
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: a small world ride there, mm hmm, which is pretty cool.

776
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: And then if you've ever been to the Magic Kingdom

777
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: in Orlando and rode or ridden the Carousel of Progress

778
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: that need its debut there. That was ge you know,

779
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: and if you've ever written it, it's clearly like a like, hey,

780
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: look what's going to happen not too far from now.

781
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they did one for the state of Illinois too,

782
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 3: and I looked that up and apparently they created an

783
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 3: animatronic talking abe Lincoln, which I believe ended up giving

784
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 3: rise to the Hall of Presidents.

785
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, just to the creepy era things you can

786
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: do at Disney.

787
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: It really is. One of the other things is that

788
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 3: the nineteen sixty four World's Fair was so g whiz

789
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: look at the future that Isaac Asimov, the great science

790
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 3: fiction writer, was prompted to write an essay yeah, about

791
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: what the World's Fair in twenty fourteen, fifty years in

792
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 3: the future would look like. And he got some right.

793
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 3: He missed the mark a little bit, like, for example,

794
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 3: he got right that robots will neither be common nor

795
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 3: very good in twenty fourteen, but they will be in existence.

796
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: That's certainly true. They're getting better now. But twenty fourteen robots,

797
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: the one I had was not very impressive.

798
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:15,360
Speaker 3: Did it smoke cigarettes?

799
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,479
Speaker 1: Though it did? Well? It did, we did.

800
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: That's the key to a good robot.

801
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: I had to have a smoking Buddy's.

802
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: Right, what else, chuck? What else did he say?

803
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 1: Well, this one is interesting because it sounds like he

804
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: got it just right, but just you know, you'll have

805
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: to hear the after the afterward he said that society

806
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: will suffer mental, emotional, and socio psychological consequences from our technology.

807
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: And if you read that, you think, man, he'd nailed

808
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:46,280
Speaker 1: it in nineteen sixty four, like right on the head.

809
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: But he had a different take than that. He was like, no,

810
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 1: that's going to happen because it's going to be like

811
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: Wall E basically where nobody works because robots are doing everything,

812
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: and we're gonna suffer from what he called enforced leisure.

813
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 3: Mm hm.

814
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 1: And everyone's just going to be lazy and it's going

815
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,479
Speaker 1: to be awful. And he said the most glorious single

816
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: word in the world will have become work. It's cute.

817
00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 3: He missed that mark a little bit for sure.

818
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

819
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 3: So the nineteen sixty four World's Fair was basically the

820
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 3: last great World's Fair that the United States ever threw.

821
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 3: There have been plenty of great World's Fairs since then,

822
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 3: but as far as the US is concerned, sixty four

823
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 3: was the last good one. Sixty two in Seattle that

824
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 3: gave us the space needle. It was called the Century

825
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: twenty one Expo, and ten million people showed up. And

826
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 3: this kind of showed the beginning of a trend of

827
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 3: declining attendants in the fairs that were thrown in America,

828
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 3: because this was about the time that Americans decided that

829
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: we wanted to stop being informed.

830
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, we're not bagging on any of

831
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: these cities and any of their World's Fairs. It's just

832
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 1: sort of a fact that this is when attendance really

833
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: started to win. Some of them lost a lot of money.

834
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: We love that space needle, but ten million people isn't

835
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: like two years later in New York there were fifty

836
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: six million, right. And that brings us to New Orleans

837
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: and the Louisiana World Exposition of nineteen eighty four. New

838
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: Orleans is one of my favorite cities in the world, truly, truly,

839
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,919
Speaker 1: deep down, I love New Orleans. Nice, but they put

840
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:26,279
Speaker 1: on a pretty shoddy World's Fair in nineteen eighty four.

841
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it was really heavy on the New

842
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 3: Orleans culture, Like they have a lot to show scroff

843
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: as far as that's concerned. The amphitheater there was designed

844
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 3: by Frank Geary. The parts that were done well were

845
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 3: just little magical spots, right, Yeah. But there are also

846
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,800
Speaker 3: lots of parts that were like asphalt and concrete thoroughfares

847
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: that just kind of looked like like just something you

848
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 3: might stumble upon in a park in a small town

849
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 3: at some point, like with the booths set up along

850
00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:00,720
Speaker 3: each side. Some of the actual design struck and buildings

851
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 3: were very very bland. And then one of the main

852
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 3: reasons they wanted to throw this was because they wanted

853
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: to revitalize New Orleans as a town where you could

854
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: just come outside of Marti Graus, outside of JazzFest, like

855
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: you can just come anytime and it'll be fun. So

856
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: the riverfront that they were promoting was largely abandoned, was

857
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 3: pretty run down, and this is where they built the

858
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: World's Fair area, so you could kind of see the

859
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:29,880
Speaker 3: reality of the area at the edges pretty clearly.

860
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean some of the stuff wasn't even finished.

861
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 1: So this isn't just us again, like with our opinions

862
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: on things like when you have two massive alligator statues

863
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: atop the Wonder Wall and Bayou Plaza and they're not

864
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 1: done and along their backs there's not even you know,

865
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,320
Speaker 1: alligator scales and it's just the metal structure that was underneath.

866
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: It's not great. It was unfinished. They you know, if

867
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 1: you were from New Orleans and Louisiana, you probably had

868
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: a great time. A lot of people had a great time,

869
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: but they you know, Ronald Reagan didn't even go. I

870
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,879
Speaker 1: think the president almost always goes or had always gone

871
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: to attend the opening, less than ten million people went,

872
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: and they lost a ton of money on it.

873
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so to be fair, like, this wasn't just

874
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: New Orleans faulty. They were victims of this long standing

875
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 3: or this trend. Yeah, I guess it was long standing

876
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 3: by then of American attendance being pretty shoddy. Yeah. The

877
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: Knoxville World's Fair, which gave us the Sun's Fear, which

878
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 3: is that one that was held two years before Epcot

879
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 3: came along two years before, and it built itself as

880
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 3: a permanent World's Fair. Not fair, Nope. The Olympics were

881
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 3: being held in La that same year, and it was

882
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 3: sucking a lot of the enthusiasm and energy over to

883
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 3: the West Coast plus Louisiana and surrounding states like Texas,

884
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,240
Speaker 3: where you would rely on a lot of your visitors

885
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,400
Speaker 3: to come from their local economies just went in the

886
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 3: toilet because the oil industry hit a huge bust time.

887
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think the organizers for the New

888
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: Orleans Fair went bankrupt. They lost more than one hundred

889
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: and twenty million bucks. Creditors apparently allegedly got back eight

890
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: cents on the dollar. And it was it was such

891
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: a bus that they canceled the nineteen ninety two World's

892
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Fair in Chicago. Yeah, it was. It was not great.

893
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: No, But like we said that, there have been plenty

894
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 3: of There were plenty of non American thrown World Fairs

895
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 3: that were outstanding. One of the ones that frequently gets

896
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 3: pointed to is Osaka in nineteen seventy. And this is

897
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 3: about the time. So Europe kind of kicked it off.

898
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: It spread throughout the world. America did its best to

899
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 3: kind of take over for a while, and then it

900
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 3: moved east. The kind of the epicenter of where World's

901
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 3: Fairs are held moved from the to the Middle East

902
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: and East generally more often than not these days. And

903
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 3: Osaka seventy seemed to kind of kick that off.

904
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. They debuted Imax movies in nineteen seventy and Osaka

905
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: with a seventeen minute film called Tiger Child. I think

906
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 1: to the twenty ten Expo in Shanghai, I think has

907
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: the record right of visitors, seventy three million people, the

908
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: largest of all time. So that's you know, they're certainly

909
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 1: not dead. I was wondering at some point a couple

910
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: of years ago, like what happened to the World's fairs,

911
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: and you know, they're just happening in a big, big

912
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: way in places like Shanghai, so it's not as much

913
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: on my radar. And also I think things like CEES,

914
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: the Consumer Electronics Show and other sort of specific industry

915
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: expos and trade shows have sort of dampened the appetite

916
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: for these, you think.

917
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: For sure, but they are still around. Osaka is going

918
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 3: to hold another one or I'm sorry it held another

919
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 3: one in twenty twenty five. There's one in Belgrade Survior Belgrad,

920
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 3: can't remember which what you say, that's coming in twenty

921
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: twenty seven, and then Riad, Saudi Arabia is I think

922
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 3: the furthest Out one that's already scheduled for twenty thirty,

923
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 3: so it's definitely still happening. I would like to go

924
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: to one, just to see what the heck's going on.

925
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 3: I'd like to go to the Bellgrade one.

926
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: Oh, that'd be cool.

927
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: And also just one other thing, I want to just

928
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 3: shout out Expo seventy in Osaka. That is where Umi's

929
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 3: aunt and uncle met. Oh nice, yeah, I thought so too.

930
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: He was a smoking robot, she was a showgirl.

931
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: Classic story.

932
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 3: You got anything else? I got nothing else all right,

933
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: Well that's it, everybody. That's World's Fairs. I guess we'll

934
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 3: see you in Belgrade in twenty twenty seven. And until then, Chuck,

935
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 3: I say, it's time for listener mail.

936
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 1: That's right. We heard from a lot of people about

937
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: our short stuff on the mcguffin. We're talking about that,

938
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 1: which was pretty it was pretty fun. I think it

939
00:47:49,040 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: was kind of appropriate that we couldn't quite define it,

940
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: cause it's quite hard to define.

941
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough, but we heard.

942
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 1: From a writer director legit. Hey guys, I'm a writer

943
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 1: director from lat I could share how I've always viewed

944
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 1: the mcguffin. When you're trying to develop a film plot,

945
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: you might have a specific location or scenario that you

946
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: want your characters to end up in, but sometimes you

947
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: can't think of a natural way to get them there.

948
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 1: So that's where you throw into mcguffin. In fact, if

949
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,839
Speaker 1: you're really in the zone while you're writing, you can

950
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: use it as a placeholder even and say, like the

951
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 1: protagonist stops by the house to grab a mcguffin, only

952
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: to find a dead body in the art. One of

953
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: the reasons it can be difficult to identify a mcguffin

954
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: from a specific movie is because the writer might be

955
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 1: disguising it to avoid what could be perceived as lazy screenwriting.

956
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 1: One of the more obvious examples is a character needing

957
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: to find the secret map that leads to the treasure

958
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: or the next clue. That is from Josh Beck, writer director,

959
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 1: And like I said, we heard from a lot of people.

960
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: One was kind of funny. We heard from somebody who

961
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: kind of said, I don't care what George Lucas says.

962
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: R two D two is not a mcguffin. It's the

963
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: plans that are mcguffin, because the person is never the mcguffin,

964
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: it's the object. And I had the great sorrow to

965
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 1: write this person and say, I'm sorry to break it

966
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: to you, but Archie dtwo is an object and not

967
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: a person. I know it's true, though, Like if the

968
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: whole point to this writer's email was hey, it's not

969
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: the person, it's the object, it's like, well, and android

970
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 1: isn't a person.

971
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: So I feel like then Josh backed you up that

972
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 3: the mcguffin is totally irrelevant to what you care about

973
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 3: in the whole thing, and that it's kind of like

974
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 3: this thing that gets you to the thing that's the point,

975
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,480
Speaker 3: which is basically what you were saying. Yes, okay, so

976
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: the first time when you brought it up in some

977
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 3: other episode and that short stuff, you stuck to your gun,

978
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 3: So it sounds like you were right. But then all

979
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: of those people out there who are like Multi's falcon

980
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 3: is the quintessential example of the mcguffin, that is just wrong.

981
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 3: Then that's not true. Yes, it's the point of the

982
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 3: whole thing. Everything everyone's doing is centered around getting their

983
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 3: hands on the Maltese falcon. Nothing else matters. There's no

984
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 3: interpersonal stuff that really matters. That is the point of everything.

985
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 3: So it can't possibly be a mcguffin.

986
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 1: Is But is the Maltese falcon itself important? Like yes, well,

987
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: what what does it do?

988
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 3: It gives you riches beyond measure?

989
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,760
Speaker 1: Oh okay, it's like yes.

990
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: And it's irreplaceable. It's its own thing. It's it is

991
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 3: not a mcguffin, And I don't ever want to talk

992
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 3: about mcguffins again after this. I'm so sorry that I

993
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 3: ever brought it up.

994
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: We also heard from a lot of people who pointed

995
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,880
Speaker 1: out the Big Bang Theory TV show thing where they

996
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: say that Indiana Jones was a mcguffin himself. That's because

997
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: if he was not a part of that movie, like nothing,

998
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: nothing would have mattered, Like the the Nazis would have

999
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: opened up the arc and it would have killed them

1000
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: all and nothing would have changed.

1001
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 3: Uh.

1002
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know about that, because it ended up

1003
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 1: in his hands and ended up in the storage. But

1004
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1005
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 3: That's a huh. I hadn't thought about that point. Wow,

1006
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 3: that Chuck Laurie, he's amazing.

1007
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1008
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 3: Did I ever tell you about the time we were

1009
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 3: in Los Angeles and it was the day after Charlie

1010
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 3: Sheen's meltdown and like the entire future of like that

1011
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:23,280
Speaker 3: whole show was up in the air. We just happened

1012
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 3: to be in LA that one day, and I just

1013
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:30,720
Speaker 3: happened to be walking at the McDonald's that John Cryer

1014
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 3: happened to go to and started stress eating like a

1015
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: McMuffin in his Mercedes.

1016
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 1: A mcguffin. Now I remember you telling me that story.

1017
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 1: That is incredible.

1018
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: Think about the timing, all the different little things that

1019
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 3: had to happen to just bring me to pass to

1020
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 3: see that one guy whose issues were on the world

1021
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 3: stage right then yea, it was nuts. Yeah, So I

1022
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 3: hope he's doing better.

1023
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: Oh, he's doing fine.

1024
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: Good. Well, that was Josh who wrote in, And thanks

1025
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 3: to everybody who wrote in about mcguffin's. We did get

1026
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 3: a lot of great emails from everybody, so thank you.

1027
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1028
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 3: whether you're a writer or director, both neither doesn't matter.

1029
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,759
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00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:22,360
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