1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I welcome to Stephanie. 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: Never told your protection of iHeart Radio. Just go ahead 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 1: to give a content morning. We are talking about race 4 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: and racial trauma and black history, and if you know 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: anything about the US, we don't have a great history 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: on teaching black history. So if you are tired of 7 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,919 Speaker 1: that and you've already been traumatized enough, you might want 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: to skip this episode. Okay, Annie, let's start this with 9 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: a question, because you know I love it. So this 10 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: is Black History Month for us in the US, and 11 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: honestly so United States is up in conversation and controversy 12 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: with so much talk about race and curriculums and what's 13 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: being taught in school, which made me think about how 14 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: you and I are both from small town North Georgia. 15 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 1: We got out of education and mine was probably way 16 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: smaller than yours. But you know, small town North Georgia, 17 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: fairly racist, fairly white area. Do you remember what you 18 00:01:10,360 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: were taught when it comes to black history? I do. 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: I was fortunate in terms of that that I delan Ago, 20 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: where I grew up. It's a small town, but it's 21 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,320 Speaker 1: also it's very conservative. But as a college in it 22 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: that's somewhat. There was liberal. There was liberal, more liberal 23 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: people than perhaps other conservative towns, even if they were 24 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: the minority. That's not to say that liberal people cannot 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: make mistakes when it comes to race, because they absolutely can. 26 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: The school I went to, I would say we learned 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 1: about race and racism in high school. I can't remember 28 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: before that. But I also think that it was for short, 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,279 Speaker 1: cushioned in a way to make it palatable to white people. 30 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: Like it was, we learned about it, but it was 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: still very like almost kind of clinically separated. And then 32 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: when it was ant was like, but they were good 33 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: white people too, right right? Oh yeah, I love how 34 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: that always comes through. What's so funny is I had 35 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: a roommate that lived near you. I think they were 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: you're Delonaga, yes, and they were Dawsonville or they rivals 37 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: or something. So my friend from Dawsonville when she now 38 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: were roommates, and this is the way after college for me. 39 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: This is like probably at most five, six, seven years ago, 40 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: so not too long ago. We were talking about racism 41 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: for I don't even know why. White girl Asian person 42 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: and another white girl. We're all sitting talking and she 43 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: said something about slavery, and her first conversation was, I mean, 44 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: can they really complain? And she said they didn't. They 45 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: sell themselves like they like other black people sold black people. 46 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: And like the two of us sat and looked at her. 47 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: Her face turned red because I think our faces turned 48 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: red too before her, So she knew she made a 49 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: big mistake. This is in Atlanta, and this is where 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 1: she would have called herself liberal. People around her would 51 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: call herself liberal. But we know how this goes, and 52 00:03:19,480 --> 00:03:23,680 Speaker 1: we had to be like, what the and then have 53 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: a long conversation of like, this is a very bad conversation. 54 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 1: This is what white conservatives would say racist asked would 55 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 1: say this as a reason as well, and here's why 56 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: this is completely wrong. ABC. So I just find that 57 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: funny because I'm like, y'all are near each other, and 58 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: I think, say around the same age, so what one 59 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: person was taught versus what another person was taught in 60 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: the same age range. I grew up also with no 61 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: black people in our school period, no black people. I 62 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: was one of two Asian people. We were the minority, 63 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: and then we had a small group of blint students 64 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: who were there but also felt ostracized and would often 65 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: just stay in their peer group, which makes me sad. 66 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: And all of this, and I was so die hard 67 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: and making sure white people were comfortable that I was 68 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: uncomfortable hanging out with another Asian person, so we didn't 69 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: really hang out, which I feel like I missed out 70 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: on so much because of that. But however, and I 71 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: remember going into high school and me thinking I'm progressive 72 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: and empathetic and trying to get into what was happening. 73 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: And we were talking about the Civil War, and of 74 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: course we were taught about the Civil War. We were 75 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: taught about Martin Luther King, but I can't even tell 76 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: you too many stories. We were taught about him doing 77 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: non violent protests and why that was important. So the 78 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: general idea of racial equality was accepted, the general you 79 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: know what I say that the palatable as you said 80 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: version of it of like, yeah, of course everybody's created equal. 81 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: We just needed not we don't need we don't see color, 82 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 1: which is exactly what we were told. It was an 83 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: the middle of the whole melting pot bs and acclimating bs. 84 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: And during that time, the history teacher whom I loved, 85 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: he was one of my favorite teachers really thought he 86 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: was great and didn't realize until later how bad this was. 87 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,359 Speaker 1: Was the first person to make this statement about the 88 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Civil War, how it was not about slavery but about 89 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: state rights. And I moved on with that not thinking 90 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,599 Speaker 1: anything about it. Obviously, it made enough impact in my 91 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: head to be like, this sounds weird, but okay, I'll 92 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 1: go with it. Sure, my not and believing things like 93 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: Gone with the Wind, which I loved as a sixth grader, 94 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: because the romantization of slavery, which is awful, awful, awful, awful, 95 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: awful that I'm like, wow, Wow, my school was super racist, Like, 96 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,000 Speaker 1: of course I know that now. Of course I kind 97 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: of got that then because again when I see it 98 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: how I was treated and what roles I got to 99 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: play in plays, I was always a minority character and 100 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: and don't I'm not gonna talk about it because I 101 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: don't want to go too deep into it. And they 102 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: were all super racist and being you know, made fun 103 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: of being called Chinese, being called a chink, being called 104 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: all these things. Growing up and accepting it because I 105 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: was told they just were jealous of me. Again, very 106 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: white glossing over of how much hate there really is 107 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: when it comes to different races. All of that to 108 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 1: say is we really are in dire need of good 109 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: racial theory and conversations, and we're not the only ones. 110 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: We're not the only ones. And the reason I wanted 111 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: to talk about this is we're highlighting a woman today 112 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: who not only was so tired of the fact that 113 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: black history is so often downplayed and controlled by voices 114 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,160 Speaker 1: who are not from the black community, which is exactly 115 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: what I saw in my school, the narrative being perpetuated 116 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: by white people to make themselves look better, and that 117 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: she created a curriculum and a whole social enterprise to 118 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: get better access and material for black history in the UK. 119 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: And we are talking about Lavina stint who created the 120 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: Black Curriculum in twenty nineteen and BT Dubbs. She is 121 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 1: from the UK. I know, if you're a UK listener, 122 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: you already know. While we have Black History Month in February, 123 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: Black History Month in the UK is in October. So 124 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: I just wanted to go ahead throw all that out there. 125 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: So Stinnett is an activist, an entrepreneur who has been 126 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: active and working in the Black Lives movement in the UK, 127 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: UM and talks about the lack of black history being 128 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: taught within the schools and recognizes the importance of trying 129 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: to bring a new way of teaching history. The organization 130 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,280 Speaker 1: offers different services to schools and companies that help with 131 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: curriculums designed to teach art based quote Black British history, 132 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: workshops that include politics in the legal system, land and 133 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: the environment, art history, and migration. They also have services 134 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: to help teach educators as well as consultation for curriculums 135 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: within schools that can help with auditing and help add 136 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: Black history within already existing training and curriculums. Right, And 137 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: she does this on a positive conversation, And I think 138 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: this is such a big point to the curriculums that 139 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: we've talked about that we do see this horrible, tragic 140 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: and it is it's awful, awful, awful, But for her 141 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: as she speaks on it, and I know a lot 142 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: of the black community, black educators seeing the joy in 143 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: black history is missing as well. And that's what she 144 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: wanted to do, is like, yeah, she knows all the 145 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: horror stories, she lives with, some of the racism and 146 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: some of the horror stories. They wanted to talk about 147 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: also the joy and the triumphs of it all as well, 148 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's one of the big points she 149 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: talks about in creating this movement through art and all 150 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: of that, instead of talked about her own education and 151 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 1: how she realized that it was lacking in regards to 152 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Black history. But her family taught her to be proud 153 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: of her Jamaican heritage and who she was, and she 154 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: stays in a BuzzFeed interview quote, I was taught to 155 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: be proud of my hair. I never had my hair 156 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: permit or texturized. The message was always to be really 157 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: confident in your skin and yourself. And I think that 158 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: empowerment was translated through the kind of cultural schooling. I 159 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 1: had things like racism and standing up for yourself. I 160 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: had those conversations with my parents. And as to what 161 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: made her go into a big enterprise like this, she 162 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: credits her time in New Zealand when she was in 163 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: her last year of African and Development Studies at the 164 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: University of London's School of Oriental in African Studies or 165 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: the s o a S. She was there for three 166 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 1: months to study the national dance Kappahaka, and she said 167 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: of her studies quote, I was surrounded by culture that 168 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: has faced oppression and pulled themselves out of that oppression. 169 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: There are so many parallels between where we are in 170 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: the UK, my own upbringing, and me not being taught 171 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: my own history. And in another interview, she says in 172 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: learning Miori Culture, it dawned upon me that there was 173 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: a lack of education more widely around the impacts of colonialism, 174 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: but more specifically a lack of narratives that showcase the 175 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: reclamation of our culture and the history on that cinemon 176 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: is so beautiful and we need that here too, And 177 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: she talks about the overall importance of learning one's own 178 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: roots and understanding individual backgrounds. In another interview she did 179 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: in Bustle, she says about the vision of the Black curriculum. 180 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: Our vision is to encourage a sense of identity and 181 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: improve a social cohesion. The reason I started this wasn't 182 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: specifically to change the national curriculum and influence just one 183 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: cohort of students is for everyone and always has been. 184 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: It's British history, and as long as black students are 185 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 1: learning in this education system, they have to understand fully 186 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: how this society works and functions. I believe. I believe 187 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:00,319 Speaker 1: if we get it right from the beginning, we will 188 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: have a much fairer society. That'd be more empathy, more understanding, 189 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: and more room for learning about each other as people. 190 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: That's the key. We're in the same country and have 191 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: the same history, and we are equal. And according to 192 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: the site the Black curriculum dot com, their aim is 193 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: quote to prepare students to become fully rounded citizens ready 194 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: for an increasingly globalized world. Our curriculum is grounded in 195 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: the arts for young people to engage with history, imaginatively 196 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: encouraging student satisfaction and critical thinking skills. Through our holistic approach, 197 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: we aim to remedy a wider systemic issue and stint 198 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: It has pushed and has done so much work to 199 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: make it easier for educators to use these forums. They 200 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: were denied by the UK government in their request for 201 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: the mandatory inclusion of black histories and schools, but they 202 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: are still continuing their mission, including a book written by 203 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: stint It called Omitted The Untold Black History Lessons We 204 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,520 Speaker 1: Need to Change the Future, which is set to publish 205 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: in another for a book list, Yes so many, Sony, 206 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: And here's a little bit about the book on Amazon 207 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 1: dot com if you want to go look. Inspired by 208 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: livingston Its work with a Black Curriculum, this book explores 209 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 1: these important questions by providing the reader with a series 210 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,560 Speaker 1: of accessible social lessons designed to go beyond the page 211 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: and provide us with the tools to implement this into 212 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: our everyday lives. Lavina will dive into popular misconceptions about 213 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: black history, to debunking persistent, archic yet still ever present 214 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: and damaging myths, to understanding why education still hasn't changed 215 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: even in schools now and what motivates her to keep fighting. 216 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: She says, I have an internal fire because of some 217 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: of the experiences I went through. I always knew there's 218 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: so much more that could be done. I myself was 219 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: excluded from school, so I know what education can look 220 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: like for people who weren't encouraged or supported within the system. 221 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: So I get it, you know, And that does say 222 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: a lot. She is right on that it excludes so much. 223 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the internment camps. I knew 224 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: nothing about the Chinese immigration laws that happened way back when, 225 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: exclusionary laws way back it when, And they probably don't 226 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,599 Speaker 1: want me to know it because they want me to 227 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: feel welcome, even though I was again called names and 228 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: made fun of for being Asian in general. I also, yeah, 229 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,600 Speaker 1: like when we talk about people not knowing about Black 230 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: Wall Street and the massacre that happened there, or to 231 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: Skuggee and the many experiments that happened there until after 232 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: they left college, even not until they watched TV, and 233 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: having to really seek out this information like that is 234 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: just a tragedy in itself. You know, we have a deep, 235 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,040 Speaker 1: dark history of lynchings that happened in our state alone, 236 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: in Georgia, some of the highest numbers, and trying to 237 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: learn about my area and how disgusting and gross and 238 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: how what kind of narrative played in them, trying to 239 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: ignore it. That that's that. Really. There's this whole conversation 240 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: about why critical race theory is so important, and honestly, 241 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: I don't even know much about it. I won't lie 242 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: like coming in I understand. I mean, we know it's 243 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: not taught in school, so I don't know how they're 244 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: banning something before it's even taught because we weren't taught 245 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: any of these things. You have to seek it out 246 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: in college even, you know, trying to figure out what 247 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: this is as a social worker. I knew, I knew more, 248 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: but still not as much as I should have for 249 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: the population that we have in the communities that we have. 250 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: And I think this is important. And she also talks 251 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: later into a different interview about how black women are 252 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: really carrying the load and are tired, and we've talked 253 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: about this previously. Absolutely I cannot imagine the level of 254 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: constant fighting and her having to be like, I'm tired 255 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: of this about not this, so I'm going to create 256 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: a whole new enterprise, whole new organization to try to 257 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: get conversations happening, and then being shut down. Two were 258 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: being shut down because they don't want to technik about 259 00:14:54,760 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: the bad things like that. Yeah, yeah, it is incredibly frustrating. 260 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: I think this work that Lavinia is doing is so 261 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: so important because it does matter what you learn when 262 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: you're a kid in school, and as you said, I 263 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: think that's a huge unfortunate problem where like sometimes you 264 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: might not even know the questions to ask or what 265 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:24,239 Speaker 1: to seek out. And that's why I think support systems 266 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: and people doing these kinds of projects are so important 267 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: until we can make systemic change, because we need that 268 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: information and I it's vital. So it's frustrating that it 269 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: falls once again in this case too black women to 270 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: be like, no, read this, it's important. But I think 271 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:45,720 Speaker 1: it's on all of us to try to expand our 272 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: horizons and and get this history because it has been 273 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: so erased and so whitewashed, and we we need to 274 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: start combating that seriously, right, and just just to go 275 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: ahead and put it out there. It's done, The work 276 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: is done for you. All you have to do is 277 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: look for it. And I know sometimes you have to 278 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 1: ask questions, but you have to start looking, start from 279 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,160 Speaker 1: the beginning. Let's not tax black women to add to 280 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: them because it's already there. They've probably already done it. 281 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: Just go ahead and keep looking, and then after that 282 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: have a discussion and thorough, thorough research. And here we 283 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: go again. Not only do we have living you're doing 284 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: this work, but she wrote a book all things that 285 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: you might have missed, and it's coming out, so we 286 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 1: should go ahead and all preorder this book today. I'm excited. 287 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 1: I love I love how many of them women we 288 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: talk about on this. I'm like, oh, I've got to 289 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 1: read this book. Yes, So we'll definitely keep an eye 290 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: on that very excited to read it. Please go check 291 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: out Lavinia's were listeners in the meantime, If you have 292 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: any suggestions for people we should spotlight in this segment, 293 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 1: or any other suggestions we would love to hear from you, 294 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: you can email as the Stuff Media Mom Stuff at 295 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: iHeart media dot com. 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