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Speaker 2: The World's a Pigeon podcast.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: No Socks and myself are going to be sitting down

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Speaker 2: with Bill Pressells to do a patch for the past episode.

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Speaker 1: I'd be intimidated. I'm not gonna lie. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: them though you have a relationship with them, Because I

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Speaker 1: felt that way, I am not going to be able

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Speaker 1: to join and I can make it about At this point,

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Speaker 1: I think I can take.

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Speaker 2: Them, yeah, like physically, like if it came to that.

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Speaker 3: If it doesn't caring him say that, I flashed back

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Speaker 3: to you know when I played high school football.

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Speaker 1: He's always going to make it about him.

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Speaker 4: What's this have to do with your It's funny putting.

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Speaker 1: Sharpness put in. I didn't look it up, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's true, but everything you read on

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Speaker 1: the internet sounds true. That ship with the crazy Mike

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Speaker 1: and Evan at eleven and five, I'm gonna sneeze out

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Speaker 1: there a good solid record. All I asked day It's

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Speaker 1: like chicken fingers, Paul, this is Patriot's Unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 2: at Jillette Stadium. We got a lot to unwrap from

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Speaker 2: this weekend. It was a big weekend here at Jillette Stadium.

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Speaker 2: We had the Hall of Fame inductions of Bill Parcells

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Speaker 2: and Julian Edelman on Saturday, and then the game that

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Speaker 2: we need to unravel on Sunday. We're not gonna quite

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Speaker 2: look ahead to the Panthers yet today. That's a turn

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Speaker 2: the page Wednesday. But it's Deuce, it's Evan, it's Paul,

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Speaker 2: it's me, it's Matt. Now it's in the booth, and uh,

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Speaker 2: where do we start? I guess Saturday, right, because we're

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Speaker 2: going to get to Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: But I thought it was another good day for the organization.

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Speaker 2: Bill Parcell's coming back. First time he's been here since

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Speaker 2: I think three when he was coaching, so it was

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Speaker 2: good to see him.

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Speaker 1: Paul, is that right, the first time I think he's

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Speaker 1: actually been here. I think that's amazing. Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: Matt and I sat down with him we'll have that

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Speaker 2: content looking forward to it. Yeah, that was fun. And

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Speaker 2: Robert Kraft crashed the party, so there was some good

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Speaker 2: exchange between the two of that.

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Speaker 1: That's a good thing. I wasn't here. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 1: myself in trouble, so that was good.

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Speaker 2: And then of course the ceremony is that the bean

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Speaker 2: done with this speech?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I've been hearing that joke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well I like the Rabel joke. But what he's

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Speaker 1: saying he told him. I guess when he was on

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Speaker 1: EI he told him, Bro, halftime's only thirteen minutes. Tighten

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, good for Julian, it's his day.

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Speaker 2: He had like seventy five friends and family here for it.

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Speaker 2: It means a lot to him, and that's good to

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Speaker 2: know that it does mean a lot to him. So

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Speaker 2: a lot of old alumni here, which was good to see.

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Speaker 2: And then of course the game. Then we get to

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Speaker 2: the game on Sunday. Well, where do we start turnovers?

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Speaker 1: This is an easy one. Yeah, frustrating frustrating turnovers and

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Speaker 1: that's why you lost. Otherwise, you out played them for

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of the game and probably should have

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Speaker 1: won the game. I hesitate to use the word deserve,

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Speaker 1: because when you turn it over five times, you really

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Speaker 1: don't deserve to win. But yeah, if they had only

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Speaker 1: turned it over four times, they probably would have won. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, the better team. They just kept

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Speaker 3: They were I shared your frustration Fred after the game,

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Speaker 3: when we were on the postgame show and you were

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Speaker 3: sitting there last night watching that game, the track me

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Speaker 4: Saw from the Ravens and the lines last night.

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Speaker 3: But I think what Josh is doing the good stuff

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Speaker 3: from Drake, some positive strides from the defense, that there's

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Speaker 3: some good stuff there. And again it's it's I think

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Speaker 3: it's about patients and getting Drake comfortable and confident.

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Speaker 2: I just had a different feeling from that game than

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Speaker 2: that I could see it was so obvious what they

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Speaker 2: get out there and given another shot, give it. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've all had those things where we've tried in the past,

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Speaker 2: whether it's a physical endeavor or a test that you

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Speaker 2: you thought you could do.

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Speaker 1: You let we get away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, man, I could have done better, Now

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Speaker 1: And that's how I find get away.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, That's that's how I felt coming out of that game,

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Speaker 2: Give me another shot at that one, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And last year it was like, can we just

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Speaker 1: get the season over? Really?

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Speaker 3: I mean I agree with that point, and I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, Evan grinded the tape too, But when you

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Speaker 3: And look, it's little pieces here and there, and you

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Speaker 3: three games into the season, they haven't gotten rid of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just right now on process over results for

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Speaker 6: And at some point we're going to have to look

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Speaker 6: it ends up falling on, and that wasn't good enough

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Speaker 6: and different things like that. But when you turn on

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Speaker 6: the film of their offense, I'm just highly encouraged by

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Speaker 6: Drake May and by Josh McDaniels and the way that

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Speaker 6: they're running the offense right now, and the scheme is dynamic.

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Speaker 6: They are catering into Drake May, they are moving the

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Speaker 6: There's different things that they are doing that is very

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Speaker 6: highly encouraging that if they can just stop shooting themselves

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Speaker 6: so much great offense that they're putting on tape that

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Speaker 6: I did not see from this team the last let's

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Speaker 2: See that's and that's I agree, And that's one thing

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Speaker 2: we're seeing the same things from last year that kept

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Speaker 1: That's different.

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Speaker 2: You know, Well, the hope that I see on the offense,

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Speaker 2: the identity that I start I'm starting to see emerge

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Speaker 2: And that's giving me encouragement, and it's you know, like,

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Speaker 1: And keep working on that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I agree with you, but I would still

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Speaker 3: say the little moments that lose you the games are

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Speaker 3: getting on track, you know, So those just I mean, look,

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Speaker 3: it's knowing fourth and one where you got to get

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Speaker 3: You know, fourth and one got to have a moment.

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Speaker 3: Good teams, when it's on the line, they make those plays.

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Speaker 3: I agree with your general point. There's positives that I

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Speaker 3: feel like, you know, Drake looks like he is in

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Speaker 3: an offense now that can suit him. I still think

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Speaker 3: they need to really upgrade the talent at the receiver position.

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Speaker 3: I think that is something that now comes to the

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Speaker 3: but you know, they just they have to clean up

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Speaker 3: for its seven fumbles. This game you had Vermondre with

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Speaker 2: Right that he's had nine fumbles in eighteen games, correct,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all the things that deuc are saying Duce is

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Speaker 6: saying are all accurate if the only thing that you're

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Speaker 6: kind of take a step back and look at the

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Speaker 6: is hard to do. Like we all watch these games

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Speaker 6: on Sunday frustrated as hell that they just lost that

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Speaker 4: And they lost the game.

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Speaker 6: But when you look at the different things that they

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Speaker 6: are doing, I could see six weeks from now that

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Speaker 6: this offense really might grow exponentially. And I just want

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Speaker 6: to give Josh McDaniels his flowers, because they don't really

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Speaker 6: have a ton to work with on offense at the

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Speaker 6: skill positions, and he has basically schemed this offense around

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Speaker 6: the two tight ends Henry and Hooper in the running backs,

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Speaker 6: and that's how they're generating their offense is by running

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Speaker 6: it through those players. And the things that they have

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Speaker 6: done to do that, you know, to split back formations

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Speaker 6: when he has two guys with him in the backfield,

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Speaker 6: the bootlegs from under center, like these different things that

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Speaker 6: they've done to scheme open guys, Like there's receivers all

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Speaker 6: over the tape open all over the place, and like

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Speaker 6: that I just was not seeing.

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Speaker 2: So when you see those guys open, are you also

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Speaker 2: seeing the exact time in the pocket where they might

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Speaker 2: be open over here, but he's under pressure over here

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Speaker 2: and there's no way he can see that.

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Speaker 6: Well, I'm talking about open and he's throwing to him.

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Like I'm not talking about like, oh this guy,

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Speaker 6: because I hear what you're saying, Like he's open on

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Speaker 6: there's times that they're completing the passes certainly, but even

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Speaker 9: Important like road to nowhere.

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Speaker 1: But there's always a why. It's just different. This week

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Speaker 4: But there's nothing you can do.

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Speaker 1: There's always a why. But I don't remember they eliminate

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Speaker 2: But I don't remember many games, if any where, I

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Speaker 1: Oh, I can remember games they were better then your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always something I get. In order to lose

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Speaker 1: Until I see them being able to score points commensurate

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Speaker 6: An achilles heel that could not be fixed in season

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Speaker 1: To make it better.

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Speaker 6: That's not going anywhere. Remondros Stevenson not fumbling the ball

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Speaker 1: Balls call me when you start scoring points.

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Speaker 4: I get it.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to work with you to help you score points.

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Speaker 9: I get he's not wrong. I'm just telling you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the chunks are going to come. Okay,

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Speaker 2: I think that's going to open eventually, you know. I

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Speaker 6: So the word I use was like, their explosives aren't explosive.

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Speaker 6: So like they are getting twenty yards at a time

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Speaker 1: I could envision something like what we watched last night

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Speaker 1: a year or two down the road, if they can

439
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Speaker 1: get some explosive playmakers, and who knows, maybe Kyle Williams

440
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Speaker 1: would be one of those guys. It's the whole Ex's

441
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Speaker 1: and O, Jimmy's and Joe's thing, right, And I agree

442
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Speaker 1: with everything that Evan said about Josh McDaniels and the effect,

443
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Speaker 1: and I think he's getting everything that he can out

444
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Speaker 1: of what he has. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 4: I mean he is.

446
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Speaker 1: Absolute that wholeheartedly.

447
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Speaker 6: He has absolutely taken every single thing that he can

448
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Speaker 6: leverage against the defense, and he's used it, like whether

449
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Speaker 6: it's formations, it's Drake May's mobility, it's I mean, like

450
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Speaker 6: they're doing everything they can to move the football schematically.

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Speaker 1: The other thing is that I would worry about and

452
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Speaker 1: again this is admitted admittedly that I worry about a

453
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Speaker 1: lot of crap that most people probably don't. They're relying

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Speaker 1: right now on as I said, you know, scheme, and

455
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Speaker 1: they leaning on those two tight ends. What you know,

456
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Speaker 1: Hunter Henry gets banged up in that game the other day, right,

457
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Speaker 1: what if he's you know, at less than one hundred percent,

458
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Speaker 1: what if he can't go in one of these games.

459
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Speaker 1: He seems to be a huge part of what they're

460
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Speaker 1: trying to do. I'd like to see if yeah, yeah,

461
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Speaker 1: And I'd like to see if Diggs could could maybe

462
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Speaker 1: sort of emerge. I thought the kinds of catches Digs

463
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Speaker 1: are is making, I expected. I just thought there'd be

464
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Speaker 1: more of them, you know, Fred says, you know, like

465
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Speaker 1: the volume hasn't been there. I just wonder if maybe

466
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Speaker 1: they can continue to to evolve.

467
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Speaker 3: I think, I mean, that's what's apparent to me is

468
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Speaker 3: just I think reality hits home.

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Speaker 4: You have a set of opinions.

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Speaker 3: You come to in the summer when you watch these guys,

471
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Speaker 3: and for me watching Stefan Diggs was kind of eye

472
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Speaker 3: opening in the summer, and then you get into these

473
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Speaker 3: games and you realize this isn't quite back to what

474
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Speaker 3: even Stefan Diggs was last year coming off in a

475
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Speaker 3: cl uh. But when you look at you know, Booty

476
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Speaker 3: and the other guys, Pop Douglas is inconsistencies they it's

477
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Speaker 3: starting to be laring to me of what it's the

478
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Speaker 3: same old thing. And I think it's the core of

479
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Speaker 3: your argument, Paul, is just they don't have the horses

480
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Speaker 3: to support Drake quite yet and the way that they

481
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Speaker 3: need to. And when I look at Detroit now where

482
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Speaker 3: they've arrived and think back a couple of years ago

483
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Speaker 3: when Dan Campbell arrived and they were first starting to

484
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Speaker 3: build it, and you know, you see each year they're

485
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Speaker 3: adding talented guys who are now making big plays for them.

486
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Speaker 3: And that's what you have to build around Drake to

487
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Speaker 3: make a really functional football team, not just a team

488
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Speaker 3: with a few pieces of talent that you know, you

489
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Speaker 3: feel good about and you think are going to have

490
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Speaker 3: good NFL careers.

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Speaker 9: Especially the deep passing game like they have.

492
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Speaker 6: They really don't have any vertical stretch to the offense

493
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Speaker 6: right now, and that goes back to the exposive plays thing.

494
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Speaker 6: They really just don't I mean Drake May is only

495
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Speaker 6: attempting a deep pass on six percent of his dropbacks,

496
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Speaker 6: and that's not a Drake May problem.

497
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Speaker 3: Like we all know the Booty, right, I mean, like

498
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Speaker 3: Booty and maybe one to I don't know, it's it's

499
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Speaker 3: not one other one and and they don't really have

500
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Speaker 3: on paper.

501
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Speaker 6: It's kind of hard unless Kyle Williams really starts to emerge.

502
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Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to see where they could that

503
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Speaker 6: could come from with the current group.

504
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Speaker 9: That they have out there.

505
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Speaker 6: Like I don't think that that's Mac Collins digs in

506
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Speaker 6: Booty's game is you know, being able to really get

507
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Speaker 6: behind the defense and stretch it vertically. So Kyle Williams

508
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Speaker 6: is the one guy that that maybe could do something

509
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Speaker 6: like that, but he's a rookie and we'll see.

510
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Speaker 2: So I want to tie in Saturday to Sunday a

511
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Speaker 2: little bit. And you know, we all saw Rabel after

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Speaker 2: the game address, you know, the Ramandre Stevenson issues, Like,

513
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Speaker 2: you know, guys, twenty minutes after the game, I don't

514
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Speaker 2: know what I'm going to do yet, And I was

515
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Speaker 2: thinking to myself, this is a time where you could

516
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Speaker 2: use Bill Parcells. Bill Parcells would know what to do.

517
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Speaker 2: Unlike Bill Belichick, everything's black and white, just bencham, you know,

518
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Speaker 2: just get him out of the game. I think Parcels

519
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Speaker 2: might have some clever way of getting through to him.

520
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Speaker 2: And I don't want to give up on ramondre Stevenson.

521
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Speaker 2: We need him, you know, just like Rabel said, I

522
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Speaker 2: don't want to just you know, forget about him.

523
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Speaker 1: But I don't know what to do.

524
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Speaker 2: I think you need somebody like a Bill Parcells who

525
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Speaker 2: has all those years of experience, He's probably seen this

526
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Speaker 2: before several times and knows how to get through to

527
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Speaker 2: a player, you know when something like this.

528
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Speaker 3: Yeah, or knows when you can't get through to a

529
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Speaker 3: player or just h. I mean, you guys always use

530
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Speaker 3: that they don't bite his puppies. They're not going to

531
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Speaker 3: bite his dogs. Is this connected to another thing of

532
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Speaker 3: Parcelves where it's said, at a certain point, a guy's

533
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Speaker 3: just fumble prone, and that's how it is, and he's

534
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Speaker 3: not gonna be able to fix it.

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Speaker 4: He'll quit put.

536
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Speaker 1: Mike and I said this on the post Game show.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to repeat it now because I know sometimes

538
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Speaker 1: people aren't necessarily listening on Sundays. I wouldn't release him.

539
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Speaker 1: I would not release Stevenson right now. However, I could

540
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Speaker 1: make a really strong argument for it. And it's kind

541
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Speaker 1: of what Mike just said. If you had a quarterback,

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Speaker 1: if Drake May, would you say right now, Drake May

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Speaker 1: is emerging but still kind of mistake prone. Yes at times? Yes, Right,

544
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Speaker 1: let's just fast forward three years and put him in

545
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Speaker 1: year five. If he was still doing what he did

546
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Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, wouldn't you say we got to

547
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Speaker 1: move on. We got to get another guy, We got

548
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Speaker 1: to bench him. It's Daniel Jones with the Giants. We're

549
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Speaker 1: going to bench him. He's he's not getting any better,

550
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Speaker 1: like we have doing it. But for some reason, it's

551
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Speaker 1: Rimandri Stevenson. It's a running back. We can't somehow well

552
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Speaker 1: they need him. They can't get guy without it with

553
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Speaker 1: another running back in there.

554
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Speaker 4: And it gets tough because he's.

555
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Speaker 1: He's definitely tough.

556
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Speaker 6: He's one of their best skilled players and he is.

557
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Speaker 6: And besides, don't worry, but this is just Mike and I.

558
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Speaker 1: We have a show. We have a show going.

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Speaker 6: Besides Hunter Henry like he's he's really when he's kind

560
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Speaker 6: of stirring the drink right now, and the game in

561
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Speaker 6: Miami is like the p of what it can be with.

562
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Speaker 1: Player on the fields. Player on the field.

563
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Speaker 6: It's it's such a big part of what they're trying

564
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Speaker 6: to do schematically is running it through.

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Speaker 2: Here's what I worry about is, let's just say that

566
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Speaker 2: there is some technique that Rabel or one of the

567
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Speaker 2: coaches gives to Remandre.

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Speaker 1: I look at Stephen Ridley.

569
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Speaker 2: He had a fumbling problem and he kind of corrected it,

570
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Speaker 2: but it affected his running game. It affected how he

571
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Speaker 2: ran with the you know, with the abandoned and I

572
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Speaker 2: think he was never the same after that, after he

573
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Speaker 2: had those problems. I don't think he ever became the

574
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Speaker 2: same runner again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't really remember enough, but you're probably right.

576
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Speaker 1: And I would just say to when we talked on

577
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Speaker 1: the post game, I wouldn't release him, as I said, but.

578
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Speaker 4: I would this week flip flop the roles.

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Speaker 1: I would have Gibson as the lead back this week

580
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Speaker 1: and have Stevenson as the guy who comes in, you know,

581
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Speaker 1: to spell him and keep Henders in his third down roll, who,

582
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: by the way, needs to improve in that role too.

583
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Right, that's certainly got to improve is his past protection.

585
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Speaker 1: If he's going to stay out there and that they're

586
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Speaker 1: a down roll. That's another part we get to the points.

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Speaker 3: I just I want to make one more point though,

588
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,720
Speaker 3: reminder real quick, was that I thought Brabil was interesting

589
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Speaker 3: yesterday when asked with that, and he said something to

590
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Speaker 3: the effect of, We're just going to continue to practice it.

591
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Speaker 3: That's all I know how to do, practice the crap

592
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Speaker 3: out of it. And to me, it's like kind of

593
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Speaker 3: like we we keep not what do you do? What

594
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Speaker 3: do you do? And Brabil's way of answering that question

595
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: of saying, the only thing I know how to do.

596
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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's not a little story or put

597
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 3: your thumb here, or you know, let me tell you

598
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,479
Speaker 3: about this player like, it's not a little mental thing like.

599
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 3: And the second part of it for me is you

600
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Speaker 3: heard the Steelers players all talk about we knew it,

601
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Speaker 3: and so how does it feel, as reminder Stevenson knowing

602
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 3: that every game you're going to go into right now,

603
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: they are coming to punch that ball out every single.

604
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Speaker 1: By the way, I don't know if you guys caught

605
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Speaker 1: Tomlin he said in particular, Yeah, he said it about

606
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Speaker 1: Stevenson about May two. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, well

607
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: he's right, So he's into it. And they said that

608
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Speaker 1: they felt like they could get the ball loose in him,

609
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: that he fumbles, he's loose in the pocket, and he is.

610
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Speaker 1: And again it's year two for him. He's clearly established

611
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: starting quarterback. He's going nowhere. But if we're having these

612
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: same conversations three years down the road and you're a

613
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Speaker 1: year five, year six like Stevenson, yeah, Like that's why

614
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's I wouldn't release Stevenson, but I

615
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: don't think it's outrageous to suggest that that might be

616
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Speaker 1: the best course.

617
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Speaker 6: I just think it's tough because of the player, the

618
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Speaker 6: other two running backs, Like.

619
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Speaker 1: If they had that's a great point or at.

620
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Speaker 6: The position, I would feel more confident in it. But

621
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Speaker 6: Gibson put the ball on the ground too, and.

622
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Speaker 1: By the way, has a fumbling history, maybe not as

623
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Speaker 1: much here, but that's why he's no longer in Washington.

624
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Speaker 6: Yeah, he you know, he puts the ball on the

625
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Speaker 6: ground also, And then trey On it's super talented, but

626
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 6: right now he looks like a rookie, like he game's

627
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 6: moving really fast for him when he's running the ball

628
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 6: between the tackles, you know, he's running into crowds. He's

629
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Speaker 6: running into piles instead of finding the creases and seeing

630
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 6: the cutback lanes, and like he's right now, he's got

631
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 6: he's one track, right, he's got tunnel vision for the field.

632
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 6: And the pass protection stuff too has been obviously up

633
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 6: and down, but they gave him more carries in this

634
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Speaker 6: game after all the fumbling by the two lead guys

635
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 6: and watching some of those carries, you know, he just

636
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 6: he seeks contact where I think he's the type of

637
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 6: running back that should be trying to run to daylight.

638
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 6: He's running into people and it's like trying, like why

639
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 6: aren't you using your speed to run away from people

640
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 6: instead of doing the other things. So if they if

641
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 6: I had more confidence in Gibson and Travon Henderson, then

642
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 6: it would be an easy choice to bench for Mandre.

643
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 3: I saw some of the sending me yesterday like they

644
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: need to unleash Travon Henderson.

645
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,719
Speaker 4: And two points keep reading it.

646
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 3: First one is that Remandra Stevenson leads the team with

647
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: thirty two touches, trading on second with thirty, so he's

648
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 3: got two off of most touches on the whole offense

649
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 3: and everything. Evan just said again, going back to feeling,

650
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Speaker 3: you give one impression of a guy in training camp

651
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 3: and then it kind of changes. You know, I thought

652
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: he's electric, he's amazing in space, no one's going to

653
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Speaker 3: touch him.

654
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Speaker 4: And then we get to the games and he's very linear.

655
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: He doesn't really have a jump step, move, slide to

656
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: the right, make guy miss.

657
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 4: He kind of lowers the shoulder and tries to go

658
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: right through guys.

659
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,239
Speaker 3: You said, I think Paul in the press box, this

660
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 3: is why he had some injury issues. I feel like

661
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 3: he's still a rookie, he's still developing. We need to

662
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 3: have the same thoughts with him as we do with

663
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 3: Will Campbell, where yeah, there's some good and some bad

664
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: and we just have to live with some of that

665
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 3: right now.

666
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: But I don't know what.

667
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 4: It means to unleash trading on him.

668
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: I've read it several times. I agree with you, Mike,

669
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: and I think sometimes, you know, you have that splash

670
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: in the summer and he returns the opening kick of

671
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: the first preseason game and everybody's like, wow, you know,

672
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: I can't wait, and then it's not that it's not

673
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: that easy. I think Evan talked about like the game

674
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: moving a little fast. I have not lost any faith

675
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 1: or excitement or optimism for Traveon Henderson. But I don't

676
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: and I've said this all summer. I don't think he's

677
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: in every down back. I don't think he will be

678
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: in every down back. Now, maybe he will be, maybe

679
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: he'll be like Jamiir Gibbs where he sort of starts

680
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: off in this secondary role and then emerges as more

681
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: than that. I don't think that he will. Because of

682
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 1: his size. Yeah, Now he's not that much different in

683
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: size to Gibbs.

684
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: Is he really? I was just wondering that.

685
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: But he looks small, but Gibbs, Yeah, I don't think

686
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: there's a huge difference in their size, you know, as

687
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: John Gruden would say, and I bet if you look

688
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: that up the fast or back it up John grudinism.

689
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 1: But when he was the every down guy at Ohio State,

690
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: he broke down. And that's why they went out and

691
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: spent all that money on Quinn Shawn Judkins. I know

692
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: that sounds silly college, but that's the way it is,

693
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: and that's the modern game. And Judkins sort of handled

694
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: it between the tackle stuff and allowed Henderson to be

695
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: more productive than he had been with fewer touches because

696
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: he's so electric in space. And I still think that

697
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: he has that potential. He brings that potential for the offense.

698
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I would like to see him just

699
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 6: paste the runs out a little bit better. Like he

700
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 6: is all gas, no breaks right now, where like he's

701
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 6: he doesn't really let things develop in front of him.

702
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: He just goes one hundred.

703
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 6: Percent right into the line of scrimmage. And a big

704
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 6: part of playing running back is like when to let

705
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 6: off the gas pedal and when to go down on

706
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 6: the gas pedal, and that that's something that he can

707
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 6: learn hopefully. Yeah, like that, that's too much diability, too

708
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 6: much the kind of tempo runs and know when you

709
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 6: can be patient and know when to slow play it

710
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: and then when that.

711
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: Hole opens you hit it. Like that.

712
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 6: That's the type of things that that really make great

713
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 6: running back.

714
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: All right, defense better, we got to get Gonzo back. Yeah,

715
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: but better this week? Defense the best out of the

716
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: three games.

717
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 10: Yep.

718
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: Now the worst offense you played in the three games too,

719
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: but better? Yeah, yep. They the team in the game

720
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: with all those turnovers. I mean it's a little I

721
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: mean I know that they didn't necessarily get put in

722
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: a lot of bad spots, Like two of the fumbles

723
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: came in the end zone. One of them came at

724
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: the end of the half, so there's not even a

725
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: possession that follows it. They did allow fourteen points off

726
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: of the four turn let's count the four turnovers because

727
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: one of them ended the half. But they were better

728
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: in this game. I thought against the run, I thought

729
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: some of the changes that Evan and Mike talked about

730
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: about the five man lines, yeah, you know, I think

731
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: the subtle changes in personnel here and there, hellis out

732
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: gibbons in. I thought they were they were pretty physical

733
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: in the up front and the run game. They really

734
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: were physical. Yeah, And I will say that like it

735
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: was the best performance, but I wouldn't say this was

736
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: a great performance defensive. Now, again, this is the second

737
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 1: time in three weeks you allow an opening drive touchdown. Yeah.

738
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 9: The game plans out of the shoot have not been Yeah.

739
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 6: Great, the adjustments have been really good, and which is promising.

740
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 6: I give them a lot of credit for that. But

741
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 6: this week, you know, they opened in two high safety

742
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 6: with three corner Nickel and the Steelers just ran him

743
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 6: over on the opening drive. I mean it was not

744
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 6: overly competitive on the opening drive on the ground, and

745
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 6: then eventually, you know, they put Dugger in. They went

746
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 6: three safety and they put Dugger in, and then they

747
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,240
Speaker 6: put a little bit more Tonga, who I think Tongo

748
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 6: was underrated, Yeah, a little bit more. And then in

749
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 6: the second half Jack Gibbons played over Ellis. But like

750
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 6: they got there eventually, But the start was Jalen Warren

751
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,879
Speaker 6: right down your throats, all the way down the field.

752
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 6: I think it was six out of the first eight

753
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 6: plays for the Steelers were run plays, and they ran

754
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 6: it right down the Patriots throat. So I don't know

755
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 6: why in this game with Rogers. I guess it was

756
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 6: out of respect for Rogers, I suppose, but like you

757
00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 6: open in light personnel and then you empty the box

758
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 6: and you just kind of let him run it down

759
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 6: your throat.

760
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 4: It was weird.

761
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 6: Now they adjusted and settled down, but can't get down

762
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 6: fourteen to nothing. Yeah, but you know, it's tough to

763
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 6: play like that.

764
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: No splain was the splaining that you kind of thought

765
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: you were going to get wasn't perfect, but you know,

766
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 3: nice interception, good zone awareness on that.

767
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was better there.

768
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 3: You know, I thought the I mean Ellis going back

769
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 3: missed a couple of tackles, I mean tackles that he

770
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 3: probably should have made. I think that I think that

771
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: was a curious move to me in the offseason anyway,

772
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 3: Like he we've talked about that.

773
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: I just wonder if Tavia would be in that spot.

774
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 3: Just going to say that, I wonder if Tavia can

775
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: can offer them at least at least a third option

776
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 3: to give them some size. I think Gibbons is kind

777
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:48,759
Speaker 3: of what he is, He's kind of what Ellis is.

778
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: I think those guys are, you know, good hard playing

779
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 3: special teamers, but you know, I don't know if they

780
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 3: have the instincts and the tackling ability to do what

781
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 3: these guys are going to ask them. And the last

782
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 3: part I point, I just make his outs Austin getting

783
00:35:58,920 --> 00:35:59,959
Speaker 3: kind of yanked after another.

784
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 4: They're tough outing from him.

785
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 3: Really had a good summer again, going back to impressions

786
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: you have in the summer. In three games in you

787
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 3: feel like they've been turned upside down. Not a great

788
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: start for him, and I think that's been a little

789
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: bit part of their pass struggles. Charles Woods comes in.

790
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 3: We'll see how those things developed this week.

791
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: But you know, that's what happens when you lose your

792
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: best player. It's a domino of a trickle effect up

793
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 2: and Austin's probably not in a role.

794
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: And that's what I wonder fred Gonzo comes back, and

795
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: then maybe Austin plays a little on the slot like

796
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 3: I started to sehim towards the end of the summer.

797
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 4: Maybe that helps everybody, and you know, Marcus Jones.

798
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: And in this game, it didn't kill them because I

799
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 1: don't think it's an overly productive passing game with Rogers.

800
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Rogers came exactly as advertise.

801
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: Bengals with their receivers and now you're in trouble, you know,

802
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: but those guys.

803
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: But the way the game Rogers just couldn't like you

804
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: still saw like his ability to throw the two touchdown

805
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: passes were, especially the last one, which unbelievable. But there's

806
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 1: so much like any time they didn't have a tremendous

807
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 1: amount of pressure on him in this game, but anytime

808
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: they got near him, it was just like, well, that's

809
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: the thing.

810
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 2: You didn't have the pressure, but he thought you you know,

811
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 2: like the way he just throws off his back.

812
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: Foot, and they had some like I'm not you know,

813
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: I thought Landry and Chase on you know, you know,

814
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: showed up a little bit. I mean, I know they

815
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: didn't have any sacks per se, but they I think

816
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: they affected him on the pick. I think Chason affected

817
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: him on that throat. He was getting the ball out

818
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 1: quick a lot too. I mean you thought about that.

819
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:30,479
Speaker 1: I mean, I think the touchdown throw was like under

820
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: like one point.

821
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 4: I mean, it just caught him, you know, I mean

822
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 4: it was great play.

823
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 3: But I would say those guys have been really fun

824
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: for me defense guy, getting to watch Mill Williams and

825
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: Herold Landry this year. I just think those guys are

826
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,040
Speaker 3: exactly as advertised, you know, not a statistically productive day

827
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: for Milton Williams, but he you can just tell.

828
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: I noticed that he's a problem.

829
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 3: I noticed him a little bit, I think, I think,

830
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: and I think you wrote in your further view that

831
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: get a little more double teams to you know, maybe

832
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: that then Lousen's bar one and they're showing up in

833
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 3: the run game, which well that's one of the biggest things.

834
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: I mean, what do you think about that. I mean,

835
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,360
Speaker 4: they have a lot one hundred yard rush yet and

836
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 4: I like I hesitate to be like.

837
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 3: They have a great run defense, but I think we

838
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: all really yes, very surprising.

839
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 6: I mean last week wasn't as good, but for the

840
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 6: first three weeks of the season, they're number one in

841
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 6: the league and run stop win Right, they have one

842
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 6: of the best run defenses in the NFL statistically. Now

843
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 6: it's it's a little boomer bust because of how aggressive

844
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 6: they are against the run. So they're like back dooring

845
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 6: a lot of blocks and things like that and kind

846
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 6: of just flying up the field so if you miss them,

847
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 6: you know, I.

848
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: Just felt that was going to be a problem heading in.

849
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 4: I thought it was a little.

850
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: Undersized, and it really it really hasn't been to your

851
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: point of when it has been a problem, they've been

852
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 1: able to show that they have the ability to adjust.

853
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

854
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 6: I saw that the running game early on in the

855
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 6: game on the first couple of drives, Like, to me,

856
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 6: that was coaching, like, why are you playing two high safeties?

857
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 9: This is not m VP Aaron Rodgers.

858
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,759
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna pick That kind of happened in all

859
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: three games where there was some initial success on the

860
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: ground and then and they just made a couple of

861
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: changes and that was it. Yeah, Now it took longer

862
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: to Evans Point in Miami. It didn't happen until the

863
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: second half. But the Raiders, it was like the first

864
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: three carries for Genti and then after that he got

865
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 1: completely shut down with Warren and gain Well, it was

866
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: the first drive and then they kind of got shut

867
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: down the rest of the game. E Chan had success

868
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: into the second half and then they shut him down

869
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: when the game was on the line.

870
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 11: Yeah.

871
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 4: No, the run defense has been pretty good.

872
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 6: It's cool to watch how they play run defense versus

873
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 6: how Bills, you.

874
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 4: Know, hold the wall and two gaps.

875
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 6: Now they're just there up the field, like especially the

876
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 6: edges are just flying up the field and they're making

877
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 6: plays on the other side of the line of scrimmage,

878
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 6: which I think is is good. You're getting into a

879
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 6: lot of like second and twelve's and things like that

880
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 6: because you're getting tackles for loss on first down. So

881
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,080
Speaker 6: the defense, once they kind of figured it out that

882
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 6: Rogers stinks like Rogers, we can say it like he's done,

883
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 6: like he's watched, like he's not good anymore. Once they

884
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: kind of figured that out, they were like, oh wait,

885
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 6: like this guy, I don't want to sit in this

886
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 6: pocket anymore. So we're just gonna, you know, put the

887
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 6: other safety in the box and we're gonna stop the run.

888
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: I gave one caveat to Mike on Rogers just if

889
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh somehow manages to win games and they're in it,

890
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: I will say, like, maybe if you get to week twelve,

891
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: week thirteen and they're you know, right in the mix

892
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: of the player, maybe Rogers says, this is my last year.

893
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: We got a chance to do something, maybe I'll start trying.

894
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: Because I'm telling you, he looks it doesn't have that

895
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: dog on them like you guys were, like you were

896
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: joking about the leveon bell, you know, the patients, Like

897
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers is the leve on bell of quarterbacks. Like

898
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 1: nothing to worry about here, Yeah, Like, I'm just gonna

899
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: with the play clock wind down. I have no urgency calls.

900
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: I have no urgent yet one. But like he just

901
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: like no urgency. He gets those delay calls. They go

902
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: up tempo a lot. How many times did they get

903
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: right on the ball in the game, like no huddle quick,

904
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, and they still run the play clock down incessantly.

905
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 6: I just that's him to me, that was the most

906
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 6: frustrating part of losing this game is I really do

907
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 6: not think much of Aaron Rodgers at this point, and

908
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 6: to lose to that guy like.

909
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 9: He was nothing and you just you you gave him

910
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 9: the game.

911
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 4: I will give him his props like touchdowns.

912
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: The game winning touchdown pass was an extended handoff. I mean,

913
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: you couldn't he made couldn't make that any more perfect.

914
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: And I know the other one on that drive was

915
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: an easy throw, but picked him apart right up the

916
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: middle at the little dump like almost like a skinny

917
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: post to a running back like I think it was

918
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 1: Warren from fifteen. I mean, he did that with his brains.

919
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 6: He's a Hall of Famer first ballot, all those types

920
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 6: of things, and not trying to be disrespectful, but.

921
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: I am just this point.

922
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 6: It just was so frustrating because he came as exactly

923
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 6: like Paul said, he was exactly as advertised. I knew

924
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 6: that they didn't have to be afraid of Aaron Rodgers

925
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,879
Speaker 6: and he wasn't good and they had him and they

926
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 6: just let him off the man.

927
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 4: It was, Yeah, they really.

928
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:04,960
Speaker 1: Did it, and it's who we thought he was.

929
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that whole team, like that whole team is mediocre.

930
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 6: Tomlin is just another nine and eight season for them,

931
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 6: and it's just like you had him.

932
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 4: You had him.

933
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: I'll give you that. You want to talk about the

934
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: optimism part, which I am. I am largely on board

935
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 1: with because I think all the things that we said

936
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: the Patriots did wrong and you still have the ball

937
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: infield goal range in a tie game halfway through the

938
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, right, So I think there's reason to sit

939
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: there and say, well, I can make an argument for

940
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 1: the glass being half full. I can do that. But

941
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: if that's not I that's no. If that's a nine

942
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: and eighteen, Fred, I can understand why people think the

943
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: Patriots should be a nine and eight team or you know,

944
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: or something like that and be in the hunt quote.

945
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: Unquote, yeah, all right, what do you think Evan and

946
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: I are overall optimistic?

947
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: Paul and do so not?

948
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 4: Still very negative.

949
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,479
Speaker 1: This is why I want to get into a semantics argument,

950
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,640
Speaker 1: because I knew you would do that. So I just

951
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:09,760
Speaker 1: got finished telling you why there's a reason for optimism.

952
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: Eighty five to five pass five hundred is the hot line.

953
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: Let's go to Alex and San Diego.

954
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: What's up Alex, Hey, guys, what's going on.

955
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 12: Yeah, I couldn't agree with you guys more. I mean

956
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 12: here with what you're saying earlier. I mean, this year

957
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 12: is already way easier to watch in the last two.

958
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 12: There's already a lot to feel good about, even if

959
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 12: we did turn it over five times. But Paul, I

960
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 12: know you love naming games, and this easily goes down

961
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 12: as so called the fumble game. But man, I don't

962
00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 12: know if this was brought during the postgame show. And

963
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 12: granted it works, so we aren't really talking about it,

964
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 12: But what are you guys thoughts on going for it

965
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 12: on fourth and one from your own fifteen yard line

966
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 12: here in the second quarter. I just felt like that

967
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,720
Speaker 12: was something like Britain didn't care for it and really

968
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 12: almost put the game out of reach.

969
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 6: So I'm glad somebody brought it up because this is

970
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 6: something that makes me happy. Okay, the Patriots are nerds

971
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 6: and I love it. The Patriots are nerds.

972
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 1: The analytics favors that.

973
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 6: Analytics favored all five of their decisions to go for

974
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,439
Speaker 6: it on fourth down in this game.

975
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Alex.

976
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 6: And he has a Rabel. When I say he, Rabel

977
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 6: has been lockstep with the nerds. On all of his

978
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,760
Speaker 6: fourth down decisions through three games, even like last week

979
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 6: they were going to go for it on fourth and

980
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 6: two and they got pushed back to fourth and second.

981
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 6: It was kick on fourth and seventh and go on

982
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 6: fourth and two. So he is the models are exactly

983
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 6: with stretching Rabel on all these decisions.

984
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 9: They are nerds and it is awesome.

985
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: So you have to explain to me how the analytics

986
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: favors that, and I'm m say, I don't know. At

987
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 2: the time, I was like, I don't know if I

988
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: want to do this, you'll go forward or not go

989
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 2: So I'm being honest, I was I did not have

990
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 2: an opinion in the moment. But tell me why the

991
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: analytics favor is going for it on your own fifteen.

992
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,319
Speaker 6: Well, I think most of it is that fourth and

993
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 6: one has a probably close to a nine twenty percent

994
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 6: success rate league wide, So you have to consider the

995
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 6: down and distance like it's only one yard and so

996
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 6: that's a big part of it. Like when you look

997
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 6: at a lot of these analytic models, especially when you're

998
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 6: I mean that one's way backed up, but if you're

999
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,479
Speaker 6: over your own fifty yard line, usually they anything less

1000
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 6: than fourth and two as it go, because the numbers

1001
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 6: are just if you're playing the odds.

1002
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: Like field position. Absolutely, but but like.

1003
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 6: When we're talking just about distance to the sticks, yeah,

1004
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 6: like with anything within like one or two yards, but

1005
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 6: league wide, these.

1006
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: Models take anything else into consideration in the distance.

1007
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 2: Because it's only one yard. But if you don't get it,

1008
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: they only have fifteen.

1009
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 9: I'm not going to do the whole like what avenge

1010
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 9: of the nerds thing?

1011
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 4: No, I'm not doing it.

1012
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,839
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that either. I just would say I

1013
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: want you because I know you immediately go to the models.

1014
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: I'm sitting next to you, and you know we were

1015
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: talking about I think in the moment all three of

1016
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: us didn't agree with it. I will say that it

1017
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 1: was ballsy. But I want you to now when the

1018
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,399
Speaker 1: model says not to go for it, because I think

1019
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 1: the model always says to go for well, I just

1020
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 1: give an example, because it always is like a yard

1021
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 1: or two in the percentages that you're going to get

1022
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: it right.

1023
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: Well, my question for if it was, where does the

1024
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: model change. Is it fourth and two from your fifteen?

1025
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 4: Is it fourth and three from your fifteen? Like at

1026
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 4: what point? Usually too flip?

1027
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 6: But I think in this case. I think in this

1028
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 6: case it was really just that it was a yard.

1029
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 6: But I just gave you an example last week in

1030
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 6: Miami on fourth and two in Miami, on that field

1031
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 6: goal decision, they were it's clear go on fourth and two.

1032
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 6: When they got the fall Star penalty and it went

1033
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 6: to fourth and seven, it was clear kick. So that's

1034
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 6: exactly they took the offense off the field and they

1035
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,479
Speaker 6: ran Borgalis on the field on fourth and seven.

1036
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,720
Speaker 1: And I would have actually gone for that fourth and seven.

1037
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: I said it last week. But yeah, on my own

1038
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: fifteen yard line in a fourteen to seven game. I

1039
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: don't think there's enough on these percentages that weigh the

1040
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 1: risk and rewards. Like so, if I get a yard,

1041
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm still on my own sixteen yard line. If I

1042
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 1: don't get the yard, which I'm sorry happens from time

1043
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: to time. I saw Derek Henry get stuffed from the

1044
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: one yard line three straight plays last night, arguably the

1045
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 1: best short yardage back in the history of football. Right,

1046
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: So you can get stopped, You get stopped in the

1047
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: fifteen and handing at least three points to the other

1048
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: team for nothing, right, Because I mean, that's a needless,

1049
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 1: reckless decision because I was.

1050
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 2: Thinking like analytics had nothing to do with that decision.

1051
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: That was Oh no, I agree with.

1052
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: That was all.

1053
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: That was more of a feeling for the like if

1054
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 2: I need to take a chance, because I you know,

1055
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: that's how I felt, you know, I.

1056
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 1: Mean, I like going forward on fourth down as a

1057
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: general rule, So I do like that change in the league.

1058
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Very risky. Detroit last night could not possibly agree more.

1059
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 1: Fourth and two? Was it from there? From like midfield

1060
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: with a seven point lead. Absolutely, I'm going to end

1061
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: the game right here. I would do that that I

1062
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:03,839
Speaker 1: told you I would have gone for the fourth and seven,

1063
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: even after the full start. I want to end the

1064
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: game on offense, not rely on my defense apps every time. Now,

1065
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 1: if I'm on my own thirteen yard line, that's different.

1066
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 1: Like Bill's decision on his own twenty eight that year.

1067
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,399
Speaker 1: Fourth and two. I know he says it was one,

1068
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,479
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. No, That to me is recklessly putting

1069
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: the game in danger. Kevin Fock had that, by the way,

1070
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 1: if he didn't bobble it, he would have.

1071
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:29,760
Speaker 4: So I want to just be clear.

1072
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 6: The fourth and one from the fifteen decision was very,

1073
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 6: very close to a coin flip on the model, so

1074
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 6: like it's ballsy.

1075
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: So that's taken by the European model.

1076
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: It was if it was fourth and one from the

1077
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: Steelers fifteen, I'm gonna guess it would have been like

1078
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: an eighty five percent go clear like that.

1079
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 6: But like fourth and one from like that, that takes

1080
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 6: some Cohona's Like.

1081
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: That's not no doubt.

1082
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 6: The analytics model is not saying like this is you

1083
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 6: have to go for this, this is it's that was ballsy,

1084
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 6: I think so. But the other four, I mean, obviously

1085
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:05,319
Speaker 6: they one of the end of the game, you have

1086
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 6: to but like the other three, let's call it, we're

1087
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 6: all pretty distinctly clear God situations and uh vrabel stretch.

1088
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 1: I love you, I love it. You know.

1089
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 3: Question it doesn't have to be exactly what the Lions are.

1090
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Speaker 3: But I remember when they came here a few years ago,

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00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 3: when Dan Campbell first took over, and it was kind

1092
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 3: of stupid the amount of fourth downs they were trying.

1093
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 3: They were mocked, and probably rightly so to that extreme

1094
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: nature that they were using it. But I also look

1095
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: at it as Dan Campbell with a young team at

1096
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 3: that point, and he's trying to say this is the

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00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,399
Speaker 3: kind of team we're gonna be and I and that

1098
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: to me is also an element of Rabel going for

1099
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 3: it there with a young team. Look, this isn't they're

1100
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: not going to win or lose the game or you know,

1101
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 3: this isn't gonna be decided by this game or this

1102
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: four down And because that's part of it for me too,

1103
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to get to that stupid,

1104
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: crazy nature that we've seen the Lions go to at times.

1105
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 3: But I like the fact that he's gonna put that

1106
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 3: belief in his team, like everything that they killed Bill

1107
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: for when he did in an Indy doesn't believe in

1108
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 3: his defense, doesn't trust them, you know those things Like

1109
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: I just I like I like the aggressiveness.

1110
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 4: I like to see how Mike.

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00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 2: Rabel's going to be to me in that situation on

1112
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Speaker 2: your own fifteen. Forget about analytics. You have to have

1113
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 2: the feeling, Yeah, you know, that has to be a

1114
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 2: gut feeling of where the game is going, how my

1115
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 2: team is performing, who I have at my disposal. To me,

1116
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 2: it can't be an analytics call when you're on your

1117
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: own fifteen.

1118
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Speaker 6: I mean, I think they have to really I think

1119
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 6: I think there were definitely that one in particular.

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Speaker 9: There definitely was a gut element for Rabel.

1121
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: There has to be.

1122
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 4: But with that being said, I just.

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Speaker 6: I've looked at all of their fourth down decisions for

1124
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 6: the first three games, and they are they are lockstep

1125
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 6: with the analytics models every single decision that they.

1126
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Speaker 1: Like that, you know what. I think league wide it's

1127
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: like that.

1128
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Speaker 6: Now it's getting there, But the Patriots have not been there.

1129
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 6: Under Built and under Drod Mayo, they were not an

1130
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 6: analytically driven team with their decision making. So this is

1131
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 6: definitely different. And I think the one thing that is

1132
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 6: probably more important than the actual decisions themselves is there's

1133
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 6: a method to the madness. And if you're consistent with

1134
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 6: the method, this is the Detroit thing. Like, if you're

1135
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 6: consistent with the method, then at least you have a plan.

1136
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 4: Like you were.

1137
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,359
Speaker 6: I think what coaches get into trouble is when they're

1138
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 6: flying by the seat of their pants on it.

1139
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 4: Get your point, and.

1140
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 6: So the fact that they have a method and a

1141
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 6: model and a consistent way to do things is good.

1142
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 2: The last thing you want is your team on the

1143
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 2: field going we're going for it.

1144
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: Detroit's biggest strength is they know going in what you're

1145
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: doing right, and it goes down to everything. It's like

1146
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 1: it's third and seven. Well, I'm the offensive coordinator. I

1147
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: know that I don't have to call a play to

1148
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: get eight yards here because I'm going for it on

1149
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,359
Speaker 1: fourth down. I already know that. The players already know that.

1150
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: There's no confusion. Last night you watch them and again,

1151
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: it's great when it works right. Everything looks great. The

1152
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,880
Speaker 1: little option play they ran in the goal line on

1153
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: fourth and goal. Did you see that one little hand

1154
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: to on ross Saint Brownie right and then he pitches

1155
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:08,960
Speaker 1: it out for an easy time. Those are all great

1156
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: when they work right. You know when Lamar Jackson's running

1157
00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: a little like Zone Reid on fourth and goal from

1158
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: the one, and they sniff it out and he ends

1159
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: up getting tackled and worse, ends up fumbling. So the

1160
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: one thing about going for it on fourth and goal

1161
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: from the one, what do you say be even if

1162
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: he gets stopped they're on the one. Yeah, no, I'm steadying.

1163
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: You fumble and you give it to them on the

1164
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: twenty and it defeats the whole purpose.

1165
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,160
Speaker 3: I wonder what the feelings is the vibes are like

1166
00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 3: now in Detroit with the fourth down stuff. If the

1167
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,080
Speaker 3: team that's like you said, like they know they're going,

1168
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 3: it's part of their identity. They're even more confident now

1169
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: when they go for it. And maybe even when the

1170
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,439
Speaker 3: analytics are saying no, they're saying, so here's the problem.

1171
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 1: You know, and I'll let you Hey, we both come

1172
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: from different spots. I get it. Like the model is

1173
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: situated as such. It's just like the two point conversion chart.

1174
00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 1: Everybody has a chart. Yep. Those percentages are born out

1175
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: over huge sample sizes. The Detroit Lions cost themselves a

1176
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 1: trip to the Super Bowl because they were slaves to

1177
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: their numbers two years ago or whenever it was three

1178
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: years ago. The other they lost a game that they

1179
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: absolutely had no business losing in San Francisco because they

1180
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: absolutely refused to kick field goals. So you can have

1181
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: a chart and you can be right on your percentages.

1182
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 1: That's small consolation. When the one time I needed to

1183
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: pick up the yard, I didn't, and instead of being

1184
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: up seventeen in the second half of the NFC Championship game,

1185
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: I leave the door open and I end up losing.

1186
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: Like that's those are the ones I don't think Rabel

1187
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 1: would do because I think if a Fred's thing that

1188
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: he would, common sense might prevail on his head a

1189
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: little bit faster. I don't think he's a slave to

1190
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: it as necessarily as as much as sometimes the Lions are.

1191
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:01,960
Speaker 1: But I think the one thing I would also say

1192
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: about the Lions thing is that they now know that

1193
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: they have to have like a bunch of fourth and

1194
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: one and fourth and two plays because they're going to

1195
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: go for it.

1196
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 6: So now they have all these great play designs that

1197
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 6: they can pull out in these situations like the one

1198
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 6: that Paul brought up last night. So now not only

1199
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 6: are they going, but they also have all these great.

1200
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you brought that up for it. The

1201
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: personnel was part of it too, Yeah, like on the Lions,

1202
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 1: I have really good skill position guys, I have an

1203
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: unbelievable offensive line that I'm relying on blacks when don't

1204
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: have that right now.

1205
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 2: The analytics, like they said like they did, are born

1206
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: over a huge data set with a huge amount of

1207
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 2: different personnel. I as a coach, you have to look

1208
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: at my personnel and how does it apply the aver

1209
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 2: it worked?

1210
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,439
Speaker 1: You just finger wagged me in the first fifteen minutes

1211
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: of the show not to be results driven.

1212
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 4: That's true. I did so.

1213
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: Don't be results driven? All right, is it the choice

1214
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 1: or not? Like, I'm sorry, that's a red go We're going.

1215
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: That's a reckless thing to do. That could have completely

1216
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: changed the game. Well if Anthony go ahead with the

1217
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: fourth down.

1218
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 10: But yeah, people, hey.

1219
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,919
Speaker 11: Hey, uh so uh first and foremost got a couple

1220
00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 11: of high life they're not football related, but listen, the

1221
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 11: lobster roles that you guys have out there, that's gonna

1222
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 11: be some stuff that you guys are probably used to.

1223
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 11: But man, you don't know what you don't know. Lost

1224
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 11: Garrel was life changing. And I've had lost rolls here

1225
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:40,439
Speaker 11: and you know, we're on the water. You guys see

1226
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 11: people like at type Place Market, they're throwing the tension.

1227
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,919
Speaker 11: I think we're more known for like the breakwater fish,

1228
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 11: and you guys are maybe known for your shale fish,

1229
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,839
Speaker 11: like you know, the clams and lobster and and but man,

1230
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 11: just unbelievable.

1231
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 2: Uh.

1232
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 11: Secondly, the uh j Lette Stadium. Man, wow, I mean again,

1233
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 11: I've been to lumit and again, you don't know what

1234
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 11: you don't know so I'm thinking that's that's the perfectly

1235
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 11: fun that's what football fields are or stadiums are. No, man,

1236
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:10,239
Speaker 11: you guys, I'm talking about just the shopping centers and

1237
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,759
Speaker 11: the Hall of Fame and just oh my, I'm like,

1238
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,280
Speaker 11: this is what is supposed to be, like unbelievable.

1239
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: And then why did you enjoyed yourself?

1240
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 11: What a trip? What a bread And it's funny too

1241
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 11: because you know, I understand now while why they why

1242
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,320
Speaker 11: mister Crafton and stadium owners, team owners are going to

1243
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 11: make these investments because you got here. I am a

1244
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 11: guy who put this trip off for years because it

1245
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 11: costs money to fly across the country and go to game.

1246
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 11: But now I'm like, I talked to my wife.

1247
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:39,799
Speaker 13: I said, Bay, we.

1248
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 11: Got to go back next year. I'm going to make

1249
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 11: to the annual thig just like you see, it's like

1250
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,799
Speaker 11: this isn't like I gotta come back. So and then

1251
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,760
Speaker 11: as far as the oh, the statue, heavan the details,

1252
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 11: I mean, you're the details of close. I mean, it

1253
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 11: was just hiss ridiculous. I almost want to decry man

1254
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 11: like that for millions of us at the cop it

1255
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 11: was just like just ridiculous. And then Lastly, football wise,

1256
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:06,600
Speaker 11: I can't really add anything. I was anxious to listen

1257
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 11: to the postgame show, and pretty much it's nice to

1258
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 11: sit here like what I think and then kind of

1259
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 11: see what if you got kind of agree or solid differently,

1260
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 11: And it's easy for me as a fan to say, man,

1261
00:57:16,520 --> 00:57:18,600
Speaker 11: it felt like we beat ourselves, but then here the

1262
00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 11: postgame you got really got. I mean they take this.

1263
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 11: Patricks pretty much beat themselves. You can't well, you can't

1264
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 11: turn the ball over five times, and it rarely ever happened.

1265
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 11: Unfortunately the one time I was in town they did it.

1266
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:30,400
Speaker 11: But hey, hey, I appreciate you.

1267
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 2: Guys that you'll be back all right, Anthony, you got

1268
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 2: a bright future with the Chamber of Commerce, I tell you.

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00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 4: I should say fred I. Also I met two Patriots unfiltered.

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00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,920
Speaker 3: Fans, one on Friday and one on Saturday, just before

1271
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 3: the ceremony.

1272
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 4: Nice fun. So that we're around here.

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00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 1: They'll show, you know, Mike, there's a lot more than.

1274
00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 3: Tens of the show. Well, these were the only two

1275
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 3: that happened to be around, but they were very excited.

1276
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: H to run into run into me and then wanted

1277
00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 3: to say hello everybody.

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00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: So someone in South Carolina. That wanted me to ask

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00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: you why you want me to leave and go and

1280
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,080
Speaker 1: coach high school sports? Because I like seeing people happy.

1281
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: I just thought it was funny. I'm in South Carolina, goes,

1282
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: why does Fred want you to leave?

1283
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 2: All right, We're gonna take a break. I'm gonna eat

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Speaker 2: If you're gonna play the game board, you gotta learn

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Speaker 2: to play right.

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Speaker 4: DraftKings is all about responsible game.

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Speaker 1: It's more fun when it's for fun, so played responsibly.

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Speaker 1: Draft Kings the.

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Speaker 8: Crown is yours gambling problem called twenty one plus.

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Speaker 4: Age in eligibility varies by jurisdiction.

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Speaker 1: Karen, how will.

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Speaker 7: After a night to ruminate on things and not to

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Speaker 7: watch film, do you have a better idea how you

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Speaker 7: might handle the laundry Stevenson and the pumps.

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Speaker 15: Well, we've got to continue to practice the crap out

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Speaker 15: of it.

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Speaker 10: We also have to do a better job of.

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Speaker 15: Protecting said person with the ball, whether that's the quarterback,

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Speaker 15: whether that's the running back or or the receiver. And

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Speaker 15: we're all responsible for the security of the football and

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Speaker 15: starts with the person who has it, and then and

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Speaker 15: then it.

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Speaker 10: You know, falls on the people that are blocking.

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Speaker 15: And now again we'll continue to rep it and if

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Speaker 15: we have to put two hands on the football and

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Speaker 15: when we're going through there, that's what we'll have to do,

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Speaker 15: you know, I mean, the only thing I know how

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Speaker 15: to do is to continue to practice it and and

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Speaker 15: work it. But then also, you know, maybe it's not

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Speaker 15: so much the person that you see, it's the one

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Speaker 15: you don't see. And there was a few opportunities that

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Speaker 15: we can show them here.

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Speaker 10: In a little bit of that.

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Speaker 15: And yes, the person is responsible for taking care of

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Speaker 15: the football, but again the other people are also have

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Speaker 15: a critical job in ball security, like understanding.

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Speaker 4: The production can be a result of what the defense

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Speaker 4: gives you. What can your receiver group do to do

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Speaker 4: more productives going forward?

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Speaker 10: Well, I just think keep doing what they've been doing.

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Speaker 15: Uh, there's opportunities and we just have to be able

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Speaker 15: to find them. You know, when things are there, just again,

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Speaker 15: make the plays that you're supposed to make.

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Speaker 10: You could see that there's opportunities.

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Speaker 15: And you know, whether that's an incut by Kashan on

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Speaker 15: a third and long or and we'd breaking routes by

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Speaker 15: by Digs.

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Speaker 10: Those those are all positive things.

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Speaker 15: And again it's you can track stats, and we can

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Speaker 15: track wins or separation and man coverage and match.

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Speaker 10: Again, there's one football.

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Speaker 15: And uh, you know when when the opportunities are there,

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Speaker 15: just to continue to make them and then how well

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Speaker 15: they play with the football without the football. And I

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Speaker 15: think it's a good example of of of Digsy there

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Speaker 15: helping Remandre spring him for a big play something that

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Speaker 15: didn't happen in Miami and was able to come back

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Speaker 15: and adjust and take the coaching points and get the

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Speaker 15: get the look exactly how he needed it, and he'll

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Speaker 15: help them spring for for an explosive gain. So that

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Speaker 15: those are all positive things. And I know as receivers,

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Speaker 15: they want to catch touchdowns, they want to catch the ball.

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Speaker 15: But you know, we just got to continue to to

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Speaker 15: spread the ball around and take it where take take

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Speaker 15: the football where it's supposed to go when it's supposed to.

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Speaker 10: Go there, and timing and rhythm and ball placement.

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Speaker 16: Like you mentioned last night, how you guys are gonna

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Speaker 16: need Remandre this season. How do you balance holding someone

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Speaker 16: accountable and and valuing the message that that might send

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Speaker 16: to your team versus making sure you still have a

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Speaker 16: guy on board in rhythm, et cetera when you do

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Speaker 16: feel like you need him with down line.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean we're we're gonna need him, We're gonna

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Speaker 15: need everybody. And uh, he's got got talent, skill set.

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Speaker 15: It's a good protector, and we trust them in protection

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Speaker 15: and uh, you.

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Speaker 10: Know, we'll we'll get uh, we'll get through this.

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Speaker 15: And I think a lot of it is just the

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Speaker 15: consistency and continuing to build confidence.

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Speaker 10: But you have to go out there and do it.

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Speaker 15: How I manage that from an accountability standpoint, I would

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Speaker 15: say as of now, you know, I mean, I don't

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Speaker 15: know what that will look like later on the week.

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Speaker 15: As far as how we distribute the reps you.

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Speaker 1: Did just to follow quickly.

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Speaker 16: I remember it was your introductory press coffee you talked

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Speaker 16: about accountability and how you you kind of need to

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Speaker 16: know guys before.

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Speaker 12: You can more an accountable because you don't want.

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Speaker 1: There to be pushed back.

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Speaker 10: No, I mean I don't know if Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 10: I think you get.

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Speaker 15: To to hold them accountable right now.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I mean I do.

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Speaker 15: But you know, I mean I also got to try

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Speaker 15: to to balance you know, winning football games and gaining

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Speaker 15: yards and scoring points and you know, all all those things.

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Speaker 10: Right, so there's a.

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Speaker 15: You know, we just we just got to get fixed.

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Speaker 15: And I know there's no easy fix and the only

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Speaker 15: thing I know how to do is is work, and

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Speaker 15: we'll work at it. And if I feel like or

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Speaker 15: we feel like that it's you know, in the best

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Speaker 15: interest to them at those opportunities, then then we'll have

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Speaker 15: to do that part of that, right, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, listening to the Hall of Fame speeches here and

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Speaker 2: Julian say, this guy believed in me and you know

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Speaker 2: when I was down and things like that, how important

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Speaker 2: is that?

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Speaker 10: Well?

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Speaker 15: We you know, we believe in them where they wouldn't

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Speaker 15: be here we believe in them, each and every one

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Speaker 15: of them, and again just putting them into positions that

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Speaker 15: they feel comfortable and that there's trust and they have

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Speaker 15: confidence to to do their job. And then as a

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Speaker 15: professional athlete like we, you know, you have to be

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Speaker 15: willing to to risk something.

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Speaker 10: To get something out of it. I think that it's

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Speaker 10: easy to you know, sometimes second guess yourself.

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Speaker 15: So you know, Andre's I'm sure very aware of fumbling,

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Speaker 15: and Antonio and Drake everybody that fumble, and so you know,

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Speaker 15: we'll have to, uh, you'll come back with a resolve

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01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 15: to go and what happens on one week and doesn't

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Speaker 15: necessarily guarantee it's going to happen the next week and

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Speaker 15: it can't and I'm positive that it.

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Speaker 1: Won't relatively early in the week. But do you interestedly

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Speaker 1: having Torell back with you guys at kind.

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Speaker 17: Of this weekend.

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Speaker 15: Uh, we'll kind of see where things are here going

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Speaker 15: forward here in the next couple of days.

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Speaker 10: But I just he's you know, Terrell's around.

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Speaker 15: We just you know, got to make sure that we're

1447
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Speaker 15: trying to build some consistency with with how we do things.

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Speaker 1: On his fumble that he was trying to make a

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Speaker 1: play to trading on Henderson.

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Speaker 8: I believe against the Raiders he made a similar player.

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Speaker 10: Who was getting taken down and flipped it out.

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Speaker 2: How do you walk that line and where is the

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Speaker 2: line with a young quarterback?

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Speaker 15: Well, I mean, I think we've heard it here before,

1455
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Speaker 15: but you know, everybody's trying to make a play. We

1456
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Speaker 15: just need to make a good, good place and not

1457
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Speaker 15: putting the ball at risk and understanding that there's a

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Speaker 15: timing element to protection and that we certainly don't have

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Speaker 15: all day based on the amount of people that we

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Speaker 15: keep in and protection. So I think that that's critical

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Speaker 15: that once it gets past the first or second read

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Speaker 15: that we're going to have to be ready to get

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Speaker 15: rid of the football or.

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Speaker 10: You know, make sure that we're securing it at the

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Speaker 10: end of the play.

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Speaker 15: Jack Gibbons and Charles Woods say that you can be

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Speaker 15: held up with the increased opportunities. Well, we played good

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Speaker 15: defense and got stops when they were in there.

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Speaker 10: I think they were okay, you know, so.

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Speaker 15: You know we were going to rotate, and when we rotated,

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Speaker 15: we started I don't think it was just those two players,

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Speaker 15: you know, solely, but we started playing good defense and

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Speaker 15: settling down, So I think, you know, we just stuck with.

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Speaker 1: It and now great moments in history. Does that make

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Speaker 1: any sense? I think the Patriots almost stole one. They

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Speaker 1: were in position to steal the game. They're on the

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Speaker 1: twenty five yard line, up three with five minutes. We've

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Speaker 1: got to put that game. Well, I would say that

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Speaker 1: they were better.

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Speaker 2: But when you dropped the ball five six times, does

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Speaker 2: that make you the better team?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it means you were better. You just you just

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Speaker 1: didn't execute. So when you dropped the ball makes you better? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: They were they. I mean, these guys just told you

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Speaker 1: how open these guys were. You were lucky to know.

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Speaker 1: But if you dropped the ball, you dropped the ball.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a lack of execution.

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Speaker 4: Right, he would have four hundred.

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Speaker 1: If you're better, you're more talented than the other team. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you did what you wanted to do more than they

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Speaker 1: did what they wanted to do. I think they wanted

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Speaker 1: to catch the ball. Did you ever see anybody so

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Speaker 1: maddening as this?

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Speaker 18: Right?

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Speaker 1: Like, right, I know they wanted to make the field

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Speaker 1: goal to Fred, but the other guy blocked it. That's

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Speaker 1: a bad that's bad execution exactly, right. So what like,

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Speaker 1: what are we doing? That's another great moment from.

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Speaker 2: All right A five to five past five hundred is

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Speaker 2: the Hotline podcast at Patriots dot com is the email address,

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Speaker 2: Emails flying in, calls are stacked up. V in Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: writes in can you play? Talk about what's going on

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Speaker 2: with Pop Douglas? Why is there such a disconnect with

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Speaker 2: him and Drake? There was all this hope coming into

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Speaker 2: the season that I'll have a bigger part of the offense,

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Speaker 2: will be a reliable target. Drake and him just can't

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Speaker 2: seem to get on the same page.

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Speaker 1: What are you seeing?

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Speaker 4: Drake and him just can't seem to get on the

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Speaker 4: same page.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 3: Uh, it's and again this is another example of a

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Speaker 3: guy who I thought had a pretty good summer, especially early.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe he was a little quiet later in

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Speaker 3: the summer. But thought Douglas had a good summer. I

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Speaker 3: thought he was really settling into this role in this

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Speaker 3: new offense, and it just hasn't really translated. I did

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Speaker 3: think he was going to play more in this game,

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Speaker 3: which you know he did with more man coverage from Pittsburgh,

1520
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:41,680
Speaker 3: but you know, it's talking to Evan The frustrating.

1521
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 4: Thing is you look at some.

1522
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 3: Of the separation stats and he's like the only guy

1523
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,760
Speaker 3: who has significant separation of all the receivers, but he's

1524
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: not in the right spot.

1525
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 4: Sometimes Drake isn't seeing him. Sometimes sometimes when we talked.

1526
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: About a lot of road, you know, I really do's

1527
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,639
Speaker 1: a lot of bad luck involving those two guys.

1528
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 6: It's so bizarre, Like he has a seventeen yard catch

1529
01:10:03,080 --> 01:10:06,680
Speaker 6: wiped out with a penalty the illegal man downfield. Then

1530
01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 6: he's wide open on the swing pass and the right

1531
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 6: flat and both guys sharing some of the blame I

1532
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 6: think on that play because the short arm throw, like Drake,

1533
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,600
Speaker 6: Drake short arms it, but Pop also just keeps expanding

1534
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 6: into the sideline, so he just keeps getting further and

1535
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:27,800
Speaker 6: further away from Drake. As the ball is being thrown

1536
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,720
Speaker 6: to him, he's just backpedaling like into space. And so

1537
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 6: that one could have been I don't know, he could

1538
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 6: still he still could be running like that could be

1539
01:10:36,479 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 6: a forty yard fifty yard play. And then he's crossing

1540
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 6: over the middle of the field late in the game

1541
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:45,280
Speaker 6: and he's wide open again and Drake throws it behind him.

1542
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,760
Speaker 6: Like these are just little things that they just I

1543
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:51,280
Speaker 6: don't know if it's that Pop isn't in the right

1544
01:10:51,320 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 6: spots or you know, it's just bad luck and Drake

1545
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 6: just has some bad throws and it happens to be

1546
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:00,880
Speaker 6: the ones when he's targeting Pop. I don't know what

1547
01:11:00,920 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 6: the case may be. But the one thing just from

1548
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,439
Speaker 6: Pop's perspective that I just have kind of thought about

1549
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 6: is like I just I still I still wish his

1550
01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 6: field awareness in the game sense was better, and I

1551
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 6: think that there's times when he's just making things harder

1552
01:11:18,560 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 6: than they need to be because he's just not one

1553
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:25,719
Speaker 6: hundred percent on the details. He's talented, he gets open,

1554
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 6: he's dynamic runner, but the details just don't seem to

1555
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:33,879
Speaker 6: fully be there for him. Whereas you know, we're talking

1556
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,439
Speaker 6: off the air, like Edelman's in the Patriots Hall of

1557
01:11:36,479 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 6: Fame because of the details, because he knew where to be,

1558
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 6: when to be there, how many you need, and that's

1559
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:46,880
Speaker 6: why he has a red jacket Like that's that can

1560
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 6: be the difference for.

1561
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 9: A lot of guys.

1562
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: I read I read that one email, but there were

1563
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 2: a lot of emails that we got about Pop. I

1564
01:11:52,439 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 2: don't want to read them all. They're all kind of

1565
01:11:53,880 --> 01:11:57,880
Speaker 2: the same. But you mentioned that the details and when

1566
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 2: you look at that binky that Brady had had all,

1567
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,599
Speaker 2: you know, throughout his career, whether it was Troy Brown

1568
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:08,679
Speaker 2: or Wes Welker or Julian Edelman, all three of those guys.

1569
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 2: The one thing I think they all have in common

1570
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:14,120
Speaker 2: is their football IQ. They were just so smart about

1571
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 2: the awareness of what's the situation. You know, what's the

1572
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,240
Speaker 2: defense look like? What do I need to get that

1573
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: first down? You know, even when I don't catch it,

1574
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 2: what do I do? Troy Brown against San Diego knocking

1575
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:32,200
Speaker 2: that ball away? Just the awareness of what the situation

1576
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,160
Speaker 2: is and what needs to get done. I don't know

1577
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:37,320
Speaker 2: if Pop has it or not yet it's too early,

1578
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 2: but those three guys had it, and I'm wondering at

1579
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 2: some point do they want to see if Chisholm has

1580
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: it that type of awareness, because he certainly doesn't have

1581
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 2: the athletic ability of Pop Douglas.

1582
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 3: I was just going to say, the only thing I

1583
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 3: might push back on is it too early. I mean,

1584
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 3: this is what your three for ever, you know, kind

1585
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 3: of the same mistakes. I just I think the two

1586
01:12:58,360 --> 01:13:01,280
Speaker 3: quotes I remember Draking the summer asking him about what

1587
01:13:01,360 --> 01:13:02,800
Speaker 3: was going well with Pop, and he said, you know,

1588
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 3: he Pop, he's lining up in the right place, He's

1589
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 3: getting the right spots. Really highlighted the mental aspect of

1590
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,320
Speaker 3: and I also remember last year kind of surprising to

1591
01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 3: me that Jacobe Brissett saying I have to get used

1592
01:13:12,280 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 3: to throwing to a player of his size, and that

1593
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:18,120
Speaker 3: was never anything that I really clocked. I mean, you

1594
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 3: mentioned Wes Welker coming through here. Small guy never really

1595
01:13:21,240 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 3: seemed an issue. Of course that's Brady, but generally across

1596
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 3: the league, I never really thought about smaller receivers, some

1597
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 3: quarterbacks maybe having a little bit of a hard time

1598
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:32,080
Speaker 3: figuring out where they're catching.

1599
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff, and I started off by saying,

1600
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,360
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of bad luck, and

1601
01:13:36,400 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: I do agree with that, and I think Evan pointed

1602
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:41,000
Speaker 1: out a couple of plays that if you just had

1603
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,720
Speaker 1: those two plays, one of them count and the other

1604
01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 1: one complete, you know, let's just call it a twenty

1605
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: yard game. It may have been more than that. Mike

1606
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:53,639
Speaker 1: and I actually looked at this play yesterday, Evan, that

1607
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: little swing pass. At the time of the throw, there

1608
01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 1: was nobody even on the other side of the hash marks,

1609
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:02,599
Speaker 1: and at the time that he would have caught it,

1610
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,839
Speaker 1: there was no one on the other side of the numbers,

1611
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: and there was really only one guy there, Peppers yea,

1612
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:10,040
Speaker 1: And that would have been a lot of green for

1613
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:12,040
Speaker 1: him to have to try to navigate with a pretty

1614
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: slippery guy in the open field. We might look at

1615
01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:17,840
Speaker 1: it a little bit differently had those two plays gone

1616
01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 1: the other way. That said the instinct stuff that Fred's

1617
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,479
Speaker 1: talking about and that you guys are, that's that's relevant.

1618
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: And on fourth down, I applaud Drake May for saying

1619
01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 1: I wish I had gone over that we need to

1620
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 1: get a yard and this and that that's great leadership.

1621
01:14:36,080 --> 01:14:39,600
Speaker 1: That's great leadership, But that should not have to be

1622
01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:45,759
Speaker 1: said to Mario. Douglas needs to get that first down, period,

1623
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: like he just he needs to be able to catch

1624
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:51,760
Speaker 1: that pass. I hated the play call. I hated, you know,

1625
01:14:51,880 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: asking a guy to catch it and get up field

1626
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,720
Speaker 1: to get a first down on fourth and one. But

1627
01:14:57,560 --> 01:14:59,840
Speaker 1: as it was like this he had to do with,

1628
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: there's no reason for him. Now there's still shots of

1629
01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: extremely decisive.

1630
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,360
Speaker 4: I still don't think it's crazy easy that.

1631
01:15:06,560 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 1: No, it's not because he wasn't going that direction. Now,

1632
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: everybody just to just fall down, but he intentionally gave

1633
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 1: ground you're looking to beat. It's exactly what Rabel said, Evan,

1634
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,599
Speaker 1: and I would talk to you, you know, like put your

1635
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: foot in the ground and knife through the two defenders

1636
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:24,200
Speaker 1: and make sure you get the first down. Don't try

1637
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: to dip around one of the defenders to potentially make

1638
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 1: a big play. You can't do that. He needs to

1639
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,080
Speaker 1: get that needed to be a first down one hundred

1640
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:35,479
Speaker 1: times out of one hundred, and he didn't get the

1641
01:15:35,479 --> 01:15:39,600
Speaker 1: first down. So like, I'm not absolving to Mario Douglas

1642
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:42,560
Speaker 1: of responsibility, but I do think there's a variety of

1643
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:45,360
Speaker 1: things going wrong when it comes to him, and it's

1644
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 1: not all his faults.

1645
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 3: And to your point, even you said the big play,

1646
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 3: if he made the big play, we might look at

1647
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 3: things different, even that one one yard little play. If

1648
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 3: he knife through, picked up the first down, kept the

1649
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 3: chains moving, and maybe said like.

1650
01:15:56,479 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: Well, if he ends up with five, so that's three catches, Well, no,

1651
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,840
Speaker 1: that's two more catches in more yards, right, you look

1652
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: at it much differently, especially just in the key even

1653
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:09,599
Speaker 1: how about the little play that one of the catches

1654
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 1: that he did make that he sort of stopped slid

1655
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 1: his knee comes down. That was a great little move

1656
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:17,720
Speaker 1: and the guy ended up having his hand on him

1657
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:19,280
Speaker 1: when his knee was still down, so he was down

1658
01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,599
Speaker 1: by contact. But it shows you sort of the potential

1659
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: that he has. You go for the offense, I see,

1660
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 1: But I got to tell you, I'm not sure he's

1661
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 1: going to have it, Frank, because I think he might

1662
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:31,840
Speaker 1: be on the way out. I think you got you

1663
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 1: know that the Chisen Brigade, I think is probably at

1664
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 1: some point going to get their wish. So just although

1665
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,800
Speaker 1: I would go with Diggs, I think dig should be

1666
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: in that role more. I would give him more opportunities.

1667
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:42,599
Speaker 4: So just two things.

1668
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 6: One, on the fourth down play, they send double edge pressure.

1669
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 6: They blitzed, and so he's hot, right, so like he's

1670
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 6: got to throw the ball. And I actually thought that

1671
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 6: it was a pretty good answer for the pressure that

1672
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 6: they got. You know, I get like wanting to throw

1673
01:16:59,920 --> 01:17:02,160
Speaker 6: the ball past the sticks, but in that situation, I

1674
01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 6: got sort of they were running kind of like like

1675
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,559
Speaker 6: a little stick to the field side, and they had

1676
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,560
Speaker 6: Digs running like an inside hook. And then Pop was

1677
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 6: going to run the flat and uh and Pop. The

1678
01:17:14,160 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 6: weirdest part about the play is that Pop had the

1679
01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 6: wherewithal to stop and turn for the ball, knew he

1680
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:22,559
Speaker 6: was hot and knew that the blitz was coming.

1681
01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:26,480
Speaker 9: I think Diggs pointed it at it and yelled.

1682
01:17:26,439 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 4: Right, but he knew that blitz.

1683
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he knew Ramsey was blitzing, and so he

1684
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 6: knew he was getting the ball.

1685
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 9: And then he got it and he just froze.

1686
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 6: And it was just very odd that he kind of

1687
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,800
Speaker 6: did the right thing but then didn't at the same time.

1688
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:44,680
Speaker 6: And that part of it was.

1689
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: To your point, And I'm not going to get into

1690
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 1: an ex's nose thing, because I'm not. When they're coming

1691
01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: off the edge like that and you know they're coming,

1692
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,840
Speaker 1: I just see so many times they have the little

1693
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,639
Speaker 1: guy just playing leak out into the flat behind one

1694
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,400
Speaker 1: of those blitzers. You just loft it over the oncome,

1695
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 1: you know, in this case Jalen and there's no one there,

1696
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 1: and even but you don't it might be a big play.

1697
01:18:07,080 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: But even if it's a three yard game, it's beyond

1698
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 1: the sticks. Yeah, you know, if they have someone there

1699
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:13,960
Speaker 1: to make the tackle, you have the first thing.

1700
01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 6: That's why I wanted to just because a lot of

1701
01:18:16,800 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 6: I know that a lot of people agree with you.

1702
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 6: So they had a trapped corner on that side of

1703
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 6: the field that was layered like to protect against what

1704
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,800
Speaker 6: you're talking about. So that's why the ball went underneath,

1705
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 6: and you know, the corner made a really good play

1706
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 6: to have eyes.

1707
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: And when they didn't get that play, the game was over.

1708
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: But didn't you get the Oh, come on, it can't

1709
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 2: be over. Now, give us one more chance.

1710
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,880
Speaker 4: That's the worst.

1711
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,640
Speaker 3: It just out like you're like, you got all that

1712
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:48,040
Speaker 3: emotional like I think we would fourth down and no,

1713
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 3: it's over.

1714
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:48,760
Speaker 13: That's it.

1715
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 6: I just wonder if you know, with the Chishm thing,

1716
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 6: like I think Pop is a much more athletic and

1717
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,719
Speaker 6: more dynamic player than aften Chisholm.

1718
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 9: But they might just need a yard.

1719
01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 6: They might just need the guy that's just gonna catch

1720
01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:06,000
Speaker 6: the ball and it's going to charge forward and split two.

1721
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: Guys and be honest with you.

1722
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 6: I just don't know if that is his that's even

1723
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,479
Speaker 6: his game, you know, Like so it just I don't

1724
01:19:14,520 --> 01:19:16,960
Speaker 6: think that chism is going to cure everything and that

1725
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,800
Speaker 6: that's like the answer and then all of a sudden

1726
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,599
Speaker 6: chism is gonna have this like Julian Edelman arc where

1727
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 6: he's just like the guy. Now, Like, I don't think

1728
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 6: that that's necessarily going to be the case, but he

1729
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 6: might just be a little bit more gritty and like

1730
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 6: tougher in those types of moments in terms of like

1731
01:19:32,360 --> 01:19:34,760
Speaker 6: the physical aspect of it. And we saw that in

1732
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 6: the preseason and he's breaking tackles and things like that.

1733
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:47,599
Speaker 2: But that's that's okay. Deshaun's in Virginia on the hotline.

1734
01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: What's up to Shawn? All Right?

1735
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:59,360
Speaker 13: I want to say that, uh this because they have

1736
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 13: to be a mistake prone I think we got two

1737
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 13: you guys mistake prone on the team. I think it's

1738
01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 13: uh cause for the firm and you might have to

1739
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 13: make the tough decisions moving forward because he's bad enough.

1740
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 13: They already have a quarterback that makes enough mistake and

1741
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 13: you got guys like uh Steers that constant fumbles the ball.

1742
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 13: Uh it puts the team uh at in a horror

1743
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 13: place like it deflicts the team that kills the flow,

1744
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 13: kills the energy and everything. You don't need stuff like that.

1745
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,840
Speaker 13: And then also when you look at the office I

1746
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 13: don't think he'sustainable for all the reason why, for all

1747
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 13: the reason we are reasons that you got just said,

1748
01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 13: as far as like not having vertical guy nam of

1749
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 13: player down the field, you know, uh, you know, it's

1750
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:38,519
Speaker 13: no explosion, So you can't keep running, get up the

1751
01:20:38,560 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 13: victory and expect that it's gonna be steth on the

1752
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,560
Speaker 13: field knowing that the play now when it comes to

1753
01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,320
Speaker 13: pop Douglas even needs not blaming him because every time

1754
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 13: when Brick May throws in the ball, he tells him, So,

1755
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 13: who's that really on? That's all we have to say.

1756
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: Okay, different on every one. Every way I didn't, well,

1757
01:20:58,240 --> 01:21:01,559
Speaker 1: he's what I think you said, and I would say

1758
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 1: someplace it's on Mario Douglas, some plays it's on Drake Mays.

1759
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 1: Someplaces it's on both of them.

1760
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,559
Speaker 4: Goes back to the first. This is something going on

1761
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 4: with that connection. They don't have that.

1762
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 3: That's chemistry that I think a lot of people just

1763
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:16,920
Speaker 3: assume would come naturally to the slot position in the

1764
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 3: Josh McDaniels offense that.

1765
01:21:18,439 --> 01:21:20,760
Speaker 2: We've had guys in the past, Paul on this team

1766
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 2: where we say, man, it just seems like they make

1767
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 2: the easy ones look hard, and the hard ones look impossible,

1768
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,120
Speaker 2: you know. I don't know. Brandon Lloyd was one of

1769
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 2: those flying through the something every throw and every catch

1770
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: was like, did it really need to have to be

1771
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:38,840
Speaker 2: that hard?

1772
01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nikhil Harry kind of fell out.

1773
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:43,639
Speaker 6: The thing is in the catch radius. I mean, I've

1774
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:44,559
Speaker 6: been on this for a while.

1775
01:21:44,760 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: That's that's big.

1776
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:50,080
Speaker 6: And the second level crosser that Drake almost through a

1777
01:21:50,120 --> 01:21:52,639
Speaker 6: pick on it's in front of him, and like it's

1778
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,360
Speaker 6: not the best throw, but it's also a five foot

1779
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 6: seven guy that he's targeting like fifteen yards down the field.

1780
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 6: Like if that's you know, Digs or Booty or Hollins

1781
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 6: and they have you know, they might get their hand

1782
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 6: on that the pass and at least it's knocked down

1783
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:09,680
Speaker 6: and not thrown directly to the safety behind him. And

1784
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 6: it's just when you watch it too from the overhead,

1785
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,040
Speaker 6: like you just see seeing this little five 't seven

1786
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,120
Speaker 6: guy like running down the field and you're like, this

1787
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,040
Speaker 6: is a hard target to hit, yeah, for a quarterback,

1788
01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:24,800
Speaker 6: especially if it's in tight spaces, And I just wonder

1789
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 6: if that is it for Drake is maybe like the

1790
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:29,200
Speaker 6: men to understanding that.

1791
01:22:29,400 --> 01:22:31,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's in the same I mean, Booty's not

1792
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 3: the biggest guy in the world, but seems like Drake

1793
01:22:34,280 --> 01:22:36,479
Speaker 3: has plenty of confidence. You know, that one diggy through

1794
01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,200
Speaker 3: to him on that third down and probably maybe the

1795
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 3: best story that he had in the game.

1796
01:22:40,160 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 4: That's what I like about.

1797
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 3: You know, we haven't seen enough of Booty and Dicks,

1798
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 3: but they both have come through with some big plays

1799
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 3: like digs with the third down conversions. He hasn't had

1800
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,320
Speaker 3: a high amount of volume, but I feel like I'm

1801
01:22:51,400 --> 01:22:54,720
Speaker 3: growing to trust him in key situations, even Booty to

1802
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 3: that extent, you know, going down the field, catching the

1803
01:22:56,960 --> 01:22:59,280
Speaker 3: ball on the end zone, making tough plays like you know,

1804
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,040
Speaker 3: I just haven't earn that trust with Poppers.

1805
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: Startually get to the point where you're wondering about Booty.

1806
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: You know why he isn't being targeted a little bit

1807
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 1: more often because of what you're talking about. The first game,

1808
01:23:08,680 --> 01:23:11,719
Speaker 1: obviously the volume was there. The last two games almost

1809
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 1: no targets, but you remember them, yeah, you know, you

1810
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: remember the catches paying more attention to him or.

1811
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,880
Speaker 17: I don't think so, well, not not yet, but I

1812
01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 17: still think he's a super dynamic player and and you know,

1813
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:27,960
Speaker 17: he he within the framework of the offense, he'll catch

1814
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,280
Speaker 17: it when you throw it to him, But I don't

1815
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 17: know if he's affecting coverage.

1816
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 3: And you know, and that's when I just when I

1817
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:35,080
Speaker 3: look at it, that's what I see. I just don't

1818
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 3: see guys who are pulling coverage. Of fact, it's guys

1819
01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,679
Speaker 3: who for the most part, it looks like the offense

1820
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 3: is kind of stuck in mud.

1821
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:41,000
Speaker 1: Still.

1822
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:45,799
Speaker 2: Okay, Uh, back to the phones. H Colby's in Texas.

1823
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: Hey Colby, can you hear me?

1824
01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1825
01:23:52,520 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 19: All right, So I guess I'm more of a half

1826
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:01,600
Speaker 19: kind of guy on this game. All of the turnovers,

1827
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 19: we still had a chance to win at the very name, So,

1828
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:10,280
Speaker 19: I mean, I was upset with the bumbles, was absolutely

1829
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 19: livid with the Pop Douglas play. So I guess my

1830
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 19: question is is, uh, Mike Brabel is a last half

1831
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:21,599
Speaker 19: full or half empy?

1832
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:26,360
Speaker 1: Oh half full full? Well, I would say that they

1833
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:30,680
Speaker 1: they would be encouraged by if we can get out

1834
01:24:30,720 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 1: of our own way, we have a chance to do

1835
01:24:32,439 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 1: some things.

1836
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would agree with that. But I do think

1837
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 6: and I was listening to some Paul shows this morning

1838
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 6: actually on my on my way in here today, and

1839
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 6: I think they bring up a good point about Remander specifically,

1840
01:24:45,640 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 6: but I think you can talk about it with Pop two.

1841
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 6: It's a really difficult spot for Rabel because you're trying

1842
01:24:52,640 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 6: to preach winning football and accountability and don't do the

1843
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:00,679
Speaker 6: s that gets your beat and all this other stuff

1844
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 6: that they're trying to build this culture around. But he's

1845
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 6: also like one of your best players on offense, and

1846
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 6: it's just it's a hard.

1847
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 4: Thing to do.

1848
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 6: Like, I don't I don't envy like the decisions that

1849
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 6: they have to make with Ormandre because they might have

1850
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:19,000
Speaker 6: to make a really hard decision and sit him down

1851
01:25:19,640 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 6: and it might not be what's best for the team

1852
01:25:22,160 --> 01:25:25,280
Speaker 6: in the short term in terms of, you know, production

1853
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 6: on the field on Sunday against Carolina, but it might

1854
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,559
Speaker 6: be what they have to do from a culture building

1855
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:32,679
Speaker 6: standpoint the program.

1856
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, now Kobe's question, you know, my instinct is, oh,

1857
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:40,479
Speaker 2: he's class half full. But behind the scenes, given the roster,

1858
01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 2: he has to be careful about raising those expectations too high,

1859
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:49,599
Speaker 2: especially with ownership, where he's like, you know, I'm doing

1860
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 2: the best I can given what we have.

1861
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 1: I would hope he's not worried about stuff like that.

1862
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 2: But well, when you're talking to ownership, you have to

1863
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:01,519
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, you know this is what we can do,

1864
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,439
Speaker 2: but this is what we can't do, So you need

1865
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:05,639
Speaker 2: to be patient a little bit.

1866
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 6: I think they're good enough to roster talent wise to

1867
01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,599
Speaker 6: win the game like on Sunday, Oh yeah, yeah, both

1868
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:16,960
Speaker 6: like this coming up Sunday and last night.

1869
01:26:18,120 --> 01:26:20,640
Speaker 1: I think the ownership wants playoffs. The irony to me

1870
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 1: is you could make an argument, at least I could

1871
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 1: that the two games they lost they had more than

1872
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:28,200
Speaker 1: enough talent to win, and the one game that they won,

1873
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 1: I would say the other team probably had more talent, right,

1874
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean what the Raiders have been since that opening

1875
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:40,679
Speaker 1: day has, I mean borderline train wreck. And I'm sorry,

1876
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots were the better team Sunday. They had the

1877
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 1: better talent. I'm not saying that they did better talent

1878
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,720
Speaker 1: that was suited up that day. Now, maybe if Pittsburgh

1879
01:26:49,800 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 1: was full strength, I might even defense. Talk to me.

1880
01:26:52,840 --> 01:26:55,880
Speaker 1: With Joey Porter and Deshaun Elliott out there, maybe all

1881
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: the guys that Evan's talking about that were open and

1882
01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 1: schemed open, maybe those don't happen if their secondary was

1883
01:27:01,160 --> 01:27:03,919
Speaker 1: at full strength. But you know, maybe if Alex Highsmith

1884
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:07,280
Speaker 1: is playing instead of Nate Herbig, maybe I think a

1885
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,400
Speaker 1: little bit differently. But what I saw on Sunday the

1886
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:13,880
Speaker 1: Patriots with a better team. I mean, if that's off

1887
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 1: base and you guys can.

1888
01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 2: Feel, there's no doubt.

1889
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:18,599
Speaker 1: I think they had better players.

1890
01:27:19,080 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just the only thing that like, I'm not

1891
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 6: trying to I don't know. I just I think they

1892
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,679
Speaker 6: have good enough players to be a competitive team this year.

1893
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 4: I don't think the roster is so.

1894
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,600
Speaker 6: You know, deprived of talent like we've seen over the

1895
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:37,040
Speaker 6: last two years, that we can only expect them to

1896
01:27:37,080 --> 01:27:40,680
Speaker 6: win four or five games. Like they they have a

1897
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,680
Speaker 6: lot better players this year than they had over the

1898
01:27:43,720 --> 01:27:47,160
Speaker 6: last couple of seasons. Obviously the quarterback is the biggest

1899
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,759
Speaker 6: of it all. But like, you know, even having guys

1900
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 6: you know, like Digs, guys like Milton Williams, you know,

1901
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:57,920
Speaker 6: those are guys that they didn't have, you know, Landry,

1902
01:27:58,280 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 6: you know, like that they're better players than the guys.

1903
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 4: You know.

1904
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:04,799
Speaker 6: Campbell's a better left tackle than Vederien Love, Morgan Moses

1905
01:28:04,840 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 6: a better right tackle than to Demontre Jacobs.

1906
01:28:07,120 --> 01:28:08,719
Speaker 4: So they have enough talent.

1907
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 6: They got to stop getting themselves beat No in Toronto.

1908
01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 2: Sunday's game was frustrating, but I agree that there are

1909
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 2: reasons to be optimistic. The offense has shown signs of life,

1910
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 2: maybe not intelligent life, but life.

1911
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: Drake looks good if you cover your eyes.

1912
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 2: For two plays a game, an EPA per dropback. And

1913
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: most importantly, we are competitive. Last year we lost seven

1914
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: games by more than one score. We've had a real

1915
01:28:33,479 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 2: chance to win every game this year. Okay, I'm all

1916
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:38,840
Speaker 2: for that.

1917
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 6: I've been very optimistic about Drake for the last two games.

1918
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 6: But you know, we were talking about this earlier, Deduce.

1919
01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 6: The one concern that I have with him is this

1920
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 6: was his entire career at North Carolina.

1921
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: Where it's a big part of the post game show.

1922
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,320
Speaker 6: Isn't Oh, I didn't know that his entire career at

1923
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:02,320
Speaker 6: North Carolina. I remember watching his tape at you know,

1924
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 6: coming into the draft, being like this guy is awesome,

1925
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,720
Speaker 6: Like holy crap, is this guy good? And then you

1926
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 6: look up at the scoreboard in the fourth quarter and

1927
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 6: they'd be down two touchdowns and he'd be like, wait

1928
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:15,639
Speaker 6: a second, Like how it's because all of these little

1929
01:29:15,680 --> 01:29:19,599
Speaker 6: misses and these near completions that we're talking about and

1930
01:29:19,680 --> 01:29:22,000
Speaker 6: you know, the red zone turnovers and like all these

1931
01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 6: little things that kind of get washed out by holy craft.

1932
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,479
Speaker 9: Did you see that throw?

1933
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:29,599
Speaker 1: Right?

1934
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,280
Speaker 6: Those are the things that end up costing you in games.

1935
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 6: And my only concern with Drake is that that hasn't

1936
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 6: been coached out of him yet, that he's still not consistent.

1937
01:29:41,640 --> 01:29:43,080
Speaker 9: Yeah, play in, play out.

1938
01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:45,120
Speaker 3: And my only hope, and I said a little bit

1939
01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 3: of this on the on the postgame show, is just

1940
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 3: that has not a lot of continuity in his offenses

1941
01:29:50,040 --> 01:29:52,040
Speaker 3: going back to college and into his first two years

1942
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:55,200
Speaker 3: as a pro, and that if he can get comfortable

1943
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:56,960
Speaker 3: in the system and really just have a couple of

1944
01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 3: years to settle in and to start to build his confidence,

1945
01:30:00,280 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 3: that maybe we can get rid of those those plays.

1946
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 3: And that's I mean, that's really the final frontier for him, right,

1947
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 3: I mean, if you just clean up those few plays

1948
01:30:07,439 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 3: a game, no when to take the loss, no one

1949
01:30:09,680 --> 01:30:11,400
Speaker 3: to take the sack, no one to throw it away.

1950
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:13,960
Speaker 3: Hopefully those things come with experience and you can get

1951
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:15,400
Speaker 3: rid of some of these game changing mistakes.

1952
01:30:15,400 --> 01:30:18,360
Speaker 2: Any rights and whatever happened to taking advantage of bad football?

1953
01:30:18,439 --> 01:30:22,200
Speaker 2: Where an a chain step away from being zero to three.

1954
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,559
Speaker 2: We better not get caught looking ahead to Buffalo. That's

1955
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:26,720
Speaker 2: another way of looking at it.

1956
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 6: A blade of grass of pop Douglas's foot from being

1957
01:30:30,520 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 6: two and one.

1958
01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 9: You know, like you can you can do this all day.

1959
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:37,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why like the last email about like last

1960
01:30:37,479 --> 01:30:39,880
Speaker 1: year or all the games that they weren't competitive in it, Well,

1961
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 1: that's not what we were hearing all of last year.

1962
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:43,360
Speaker 1: All we were hearing about was all the one scrore

1963
01:30:43,439 --> 01:30:46,959
Speaker 1: losses they had and how much better they could have been. Generally,

1964
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,720
Speaker 1: it's what you are and I agree with Evan. You

1965
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:52,960
Speaker 1: could make an argument for two and one. You can

1966
01:30:53,040 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 1: make an argument for oh and three. They probably deserve

1967
01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,839
Speaker 1: to be one and two. Gosh in Atlanta.

1968
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: While I don't fully jive with Evan's nerd fantasies, I

1969
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:03,919
Speaker 2: do have respect for a coach that maintains a consistent

1970
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:05,799
Speaker 2: identity when it comes to game management.

1971
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:06,880
Speaker 1: Like it or hate it.

1972
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:10,040
Speaker 2: You know where Rabel stands in short yardage or two

1973
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 2: minute drill situations.

1974
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 1: Not the pile on Mayo.

1975
01:31:12,800 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 2: But it never looked like he was remotely prepared in

1976
01:31:15,240 --> 01:31:18,720
Speaker 2: these same got to have it moments. There's a lot

1977
01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 2: to fix here, but there are signs of a young

1978
01:31:21,240 --> 01:31:22,719
Speaker 2: culture that's taking shape.

1979
01:31:23,200 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 1: I'm the opposite of that. I mean, the Mayo.

1980
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:30,920
Speaker 2: There's nothing to fix, but there's no sign no the.

1981
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,519
Speaker 1: Male part of being prepared. And that might be accurate.

1982
01:31:33,560 --> 01:31:35,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, and I think Rabel was certainly more prepared.

1983
01:31:35,760 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: But I don't like a guy that already knows before

1984
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 1: the game what he's doing. I don't want that.

1985
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:41,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't want the appointment.

1986
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I know if he's just deciding, well,

1987
01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 1: if it's fourth to one, I'm going for it every

1988
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:47,800
Speaker 1: time because of my models. As I'm going for that,

1989
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: what do I need you for that?

1990
01:31:49,040 --> 01:31:51,000
Speaker 9: That's that's not what's happening there, but.

1991
01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,320
Speaker 1: That's what the email is suggesting.

1992
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:53,599
Speaker 2: I want.

1993
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: I want a guy who knows what he's doing and

1994
01:31:55,560 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: has strengthened his conviction. No, I want a guy who

1995
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:02,320
Speaker 1: takes the numbers and he uses the numbers, but not

1996
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:05,840
Speaker 1: as a bible like every Major League Baseball manager right now.

1997
01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:08,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I do think you have some feel I

1998
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:09,880
Speaker 9: do think you have that.

1999
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,920
Speaker 6: I think you have people in the organization who are

2000
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:16,519
Speaker 6: definitely analytically driven, and you know, are doing that sort

2001
01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 6: of stuff. And I like that, but I don't think

2002
01:32:18,520 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 6: that Rabel is dead set on making the decision that

2003
01:32:22,800 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 6: they tell him to make.

2004
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,600
Speaker 1: Like, based on that email, I would expect him to

2005
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,719
Speaker 1: go to every fourth and one from his own fifteen

2006
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,720
Speaker 1: yard line this season. I don't want that. I don't

2007
01:32:30,760 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: think he will and I don't think that will happen either.

2008
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,439
Speaker 3: No, but but you know, he's just crazy enough to

2009
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 3: do it if you want to chary him.

2010
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:37,920
Speaker 4: It's good though, I like it.

2011
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:41,799
Speaker 2: Jack and Aba says that the success of the Detroit

2012
01:32:41,880 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 2: Lions and that Dan Campbell holds a hidden, hopeful message

2013
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 2: for the Patriots. The Lions are successful because of their

2014
01:32:48,080 --> 01:32:52,280
Speaker 2: head coach, Dan Campbell. Campbell is effective primarily because he's

2015
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,479
Speaker 2: a leader of men, not an analytics nerd. Like the

2016
01:32:55,520 --> 01:32:58,880
Speaker 2: coaches at Miami and Los Angeles. When mister crap I.

2017
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:01,280
Speaker 9: Almost analytically driven organization in the.

2018
01:33:01,320 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: League when it's unbelievable, they just ignored everything Evan said.

2019
01:33:04,760 --> 01:33:05,160
Speaker 10: When you were.

2020
01:33:06,600 --> 01:33:08,839
Speaker 2: When mister Kraft hired a new coach for the Patriots,

2021
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: he hired Mike Vrabel, who, like Dan Campbell, is primarily a.

2022
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 1: Leader of men, not an analytics nerd.

2023
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,960
Speaker 2: Mister Kraft's decision to hire Mike Rabel bodes well for.

2024
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 1: The future of the Patriots. Those are two of the

2025
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 1: more analytically driven guys Able and Campbell that you will find.

2026
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:28,040
Speaker 1: That's all Dan Campbell does, is you slave to the numbers?

2027
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 2: Well, you like before Detroit turned the corner, we people

2028
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 2: made fun of him because he was just following orders from.

2029
01:33:34,960 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: The analytics room.

2030
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 2: They're head of the curve, so and Jacket and Arbor.

2031
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:43,880
Speaker 2: You're from Michigan, you should know better anyway. But it

2032
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 2: does seem like he plays out of instincts, but you're

2033
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,680
Speaker 2: claiming that the analytics back them up.

2034
01:33:50,880 --> 01:33:53,599
Speaker 1: You can actually see it, like how prepared they are

2035
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,800
Speaker 1: when it's I'm talking about Campbell now, Yeah, you could

2036
01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:58,679
Speaker 1: see it. Last night they talked about it a lot

2037
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:02,680
Speaker 1: about Akman and did a great job of actually explaining

2038
01:34:03,200 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 1: how they know now on third down that they have

2039
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:09,800
Speaker 1: two downs to get this and the players know and

2040
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:13,559
Speaker 1: that that's all pre planned. Again, I don't need to

2041
01:34:14,200 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 1: you know, Dan Campbell might be a great leader. I'm

2042
01:34:16,760 --> 01:34:19,559
Speaker 1: not saying that he's not of men. Of men, I'm

2043
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:22,640
Speaker 1: not saying that terrible with women. They don't listen to him.

2044
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:23,640
Speaker 1: That's disrespectful.

2045
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 6: It's only been two games that they, you know, have

2046
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,479
Speaker 6: won so far, Detroit because they had a stinker in

2047
01:34:28,520 --> 01:34:31,680
Speaker 6: the opener. I will give Dan Campbell his flowers and

2048
01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 6: apologize though, because they've looked pretty good on offense without

2049
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,759
Speaker 6: Ben Johnson over the last few weeks.

2050
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,400
Speaker 1: This week I think I did. I believe you did

2051
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:43,120
Speaker 1: well at least with the spread. I think you took

2052
01:34:43,160 --> 01:34:44,800
Speaker 1: him with a spread. I think you took Baltimore to

2053
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:46,760
Speaker 1: win and Detroit with the spread. I knew I had

2054
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:49,040
Speaker 1: something going on with the one thing. You continue to

2055
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,080
Speaker 1: have a feel for the league. Fred, you you were

2056
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:51,800
Speaker 1: in first place.

2057
01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,599
Speaker 6: You notice that Dan Dan Campbell, and I probably want

2058
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:58,280
Speaker 6: to notice this. He had a play sheet last night and.

2059
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:00,360
Speaker 1: I didn't watch that closely, so there are I'm sure

2060
01:35:00,360 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 1: it was a play sheet, not a Superman comic.

2061
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 4: It's a play sheet, Cheesecake Factor.

2062
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:05,120
Speaker 1: There.

2063
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:07,960
Speaker 6: There are some murmurings that he might actually be calling

2064
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 6: the offense himself.

2065
01:35:09,240 --> 01:35:09,920
Speaker 1: Wow wow.

2066
01:35:10,240 --> 01:35:13,560
Speaker 6: And if if that is the case, then I sincerely

2067
01:35:13,600 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 6: apologize to you, Dan Campbell.

2068
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:22,280
Speaker 1: They listen. You gotta love Dan Campbell. He's shown everyone wrong.

2069
01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,240
Speaker 1: Now you don't have to, but yeah, I kind of

2070
01:35:25,240 --> 01:35:27,160
Speaker 1: agree with you, Fred, And I'm be one of the

2071
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:29,240
Speaker 1: guys that puts my hand up and say, we all

2072
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,760
Speaker 1: thought biting the knee caps. But even before that, I

2073
01:35:32,840 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 1: kind of thought he was just one of these typical

2074
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,280
Speaker 1: Hartohs that just thinks you can be like more enthusiastic

2075
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,120
Speaker 1: before the game and that's going to allow you to win.

2076
01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: But clearly has more going on than.

2077
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:43,439
Speaker 4: I sure though.

2078
01:35:43,960 --> 01:35:46,280
Speaker 3: I mean maybe it's a cliche, but establishing a program

2079
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:50,080
Speaker 3: and having a quarterback continuity and you know everybody's just

2080
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,800
Speaker 3: on the same page and they know what kind of

2081
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:53,800
Speaker 3: team you want to be, and so I think that

2082
01:35:53,800 --> 01:35:55,920
Speaker 3: that builds in a little bit of leeway when you

2083
01:35:55,960 --> 01:35:58,519
Speaker 3: lose coordinators or you lose a key player. You saw

2084
01:35:58,560 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 3: it around here for a long time. You didn't always

2085
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 3: know what the answer was, but you knew that you

2086
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:05,439
Speaker 3: had good culture and that that player would somehow emerge.

2087
01:36:05,479 --> 01:36:07,880
Speaker 1: You had a foundation. When Jack's email started and he

2088
01:36:07,960 --> 01:36:11,120
Speaker 1: was talking about taking solace in what Detroit's done, I

2089
01:36:11,160 --> 01:36:13,040
Speaker 1: thought he was going in a different direction, which I

2090
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:16,680
Speaker 1: would be wholeheartedly in agreement with. And that's sort of

2091
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 1: how they're building, well, at least looks like they're trying

2092
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,080
Speaker 1: to build. You know, they have the young quarterback. You know,

2093
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:24,360
Speaker 1: they got Golf, so it's a different way to get him.

2094
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: But at the time they got golf, he was still

2095
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 1: a young quarterback. And they built obviously up front, you know,

2096
01:36:30,280 --> 01:36:34,440
Speaker 1: by drafting Seol and they had rag now who's since retired.

2097
01:36:34,400 --> 01:36:37,080
Speaker 9: Inn Johnson on the other you know, so you look at.

2098
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 1: The two rookies that the Patriots are plugging in on

2099
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,880
Speaker 1: the offensive line, I think that their hope is, maybe

2100
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,080
Speaker 1: we're not ready, much like when Campbell got there and

2101
01:36:44,120 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 1: they went three thirteen in one or whatever it was.

2102
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,880
Speaker 1: We're going to put these building blocks in place and

2103
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 1: it's good. You know, maybe not right now, but in

2104
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 1: two years we're going to be pretty good. Right so

2105
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 1: you have to hope will Campbell and Jared Wilson are

2106
01:36:55,960 --> 01:36:58,840
Speaker 1: really good. You know, by that time, probably Bradbury's gone.

2107
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: You replaced him with a the younger center, and that's

2108
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: like the foundation in front of May and then you know,

2109
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:10,040
Speaker 1: if Kyle Williams sort of emerges as maybe like Jamison Williams,

2110
01:37:10,439 --> 01:37:12,880
Speaker 1: you know, someone like that. I'm not saying Kyle Wins

2111
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:16,040
Speaker 1: is that dynamic, but work with them, yeah, you know,

2112
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 1: and you get another weapon to replace Diggs who's not

2113
01:37:19,600 --> 01:37:22,599
Speaker 1: going to be here long term. That's what I think

2114
01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:23,360
Speaker 1: that the vision is.

2115
01:37:23,479 --> 01:37:24,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then maybe you get to a point in

2116
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,000
Speaker 3: a couple of years where a player like Jamior Gibbs

2117
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:30,200
Speaker 3: that maybe rest the la on hembishit, but you can

2118
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 3: make a luxury pick whereas you know, last couple of years,

2119
01:37:34,040 --> 01:37:36,320
Speaker 3: probably next year, getting into the draft, you say, look,

2120
01:37:36,360 --> 01:37:38,400
Speaker 3: we gotta we need a number one receiver, we gotta

2121
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 3: find some speed, and you know they're probably gonna need

2122
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 3: an edge at some point, but you know, you feel

2123
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 3: like you might have the cornerback, you might have the quarterback,

2124
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,280
Speaker 3: you might have the left tackle. Now, the receiver and

2125
01:37:47,320 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 3: the pass rusher are probably the two big pieces you

2126
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:49,639
Speaker 3: still need.

2127
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,000
Speaker 1: But next year, if this and how the quarterbacks in college.

2128
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:55,720
Speaker 1: The quarterbacks in college, I think to this point in

2129
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: the season have been a little disappointing. But there's a

2130
01:37:58,240 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of people that think there's a fair amount of

2131
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,840
Speaker 1: first round picks at quarterback, which is a tremendous advantage

2132
01:38:04,840 --> 01:38:07,240
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, if it works out that way, if

2133
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 1: you you know, let's just say for argument's sake, they

2134
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: get the sixteenth pick, it's right in the middle of

2135
01:38:11,720 --> 01:38:14,000
Speaker 1: the round. So they become an average team this year

2136
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,759
Speaker 1: and they're pick in the middle of the first round.

2137
01:38:16,040 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: If four or five of those picks end up being quarterbacks,

2138
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,840
Speaker 1: that allows you to get maybe a wide receiver that

2139
01:38:21,880 --> 01:38:23,600
Speaker 1: you might not have gotten if you were in this

2140
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: year's draft.

2141
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 9: By Jordan Tyson, I think the big thing that.

2142
01:38:27,040 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: I even look ahead two years to see if you've.

2143
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:30,360
Speaker 4: Got a Campbell, I want to Tyson to.

2144
01:38:30,400 --> 01:38:34,120
Speaker 6: Well, the big thing that do said there that is,

2145
01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 6: you know, the Lions kind of had this slow burn

2146
01:38:37,240 --> 01:38:40,439
Speaker 6: where day Campbell's first season they won three games. The

2147
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:43,960
Speaker 6: second season they were eight nine or something like that,

2148
01:38:44,439 --> 01:38:47,920
Speaker 6: and then in twenty twenty three they drafted Gibbs and

2149
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:51,839
Speaker 6: they had it was Gibbs, it was Jack Campbell. Brian Branch,

2150
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,200
Speaker 6: Sam Laporta is in there somewhere, like you know, if

2151
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:58,320
Speaker 6: it drafts drafts in order to do that, like I

2152
01:38:58,360 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 6: think the Patriots might have like one more year where

2153
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 6: they're kind of not there yet, yeah, and that would

2154
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:06,799
Speaker 6: be this season. Yeah, right, And so the Lion's original

2155
01:39:06,800 --> 01:39:08,760
Speaker 6: pick in that draft is eighteen. They traded up to

2156
01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:11,840
Speaker 6: twelve the draft of Mere Gibbs, but as much as

2157
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,759
Speaker 6: I want to see the Patriots back in the playoffs

2158
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:16,400
Speaker 6: and all that stuff, like having one more year where

2159
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,519
Speaker 6: you're picking like twelve in each round and.

2160
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:22,520
Speaker 9: You're able to be have one more draft.

2161
01:39:22,160 --> 01:39:25,639
Speaker 6: Class like hopefully this one is and I was gonna

2162
01:39:25,640 --> 01:39:27,320
Speaker 6: say last year, but well, especially if you.

2163
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:29,880
Speaker 1: Get one funny thing right off the top of the show.

2164
01:39:30,120 --> 01:39:32,720
Speaker 1: And the number one objective this year was to hope

2165
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,760
Speaker 1: that you saw that progression for Drake May. And you

2166
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 1: know it's early, but we've we've seen progression from Drake May. Definitely.

2167
01:39:39,720 --> 01:39:43,120
Speaker 2: Yep, let's go to Randy in Providence.

2168
01:39:43,160 --> 01:39:43,960
Speaker 1: What's up, Randy?

2169
01:39:45,320 --> 01:39:49,759
Speaker 18: Good after you and gentlemen, So I'm calling I. Obviously

2170
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,880
Speaker 18: there's some good things that happen in the game. You known'

2171
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 18: you known't get that close to winning a game you

2172
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 18: have five turnovers in without a lot of good things happening.

2173
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:03,200
Speaker 18: But three players that I'm concerned about after a couple

2174
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 18: of games here, and number one on that list is

2175
01:40:06,800 --> 01:40:10,200
Speaker 18: Will Campbell. I feel like it's getting glossed over a lot.

2176
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:14,320
Speaker 18: Everybody was worried about the match about t J. Watt

2177
01:40:14,800 --> 01:40:18,600
Speaker 18: and then he ended up just getting manhandled by Nick herbig.

2178
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:21,400
Speaker 9: Uh, manhandled a little strong.

2179
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:25,360
Speaker 18: Well, he gave up seven pressures. Nick Herbig had a

2180
01:40:25,400 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 18: total not according.

2181
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:31,760
Speaker 6: To some sevenff No they hadn't for four.

2182
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:33,439
Speaker 1: Who was the one that had him for none?

2183
01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:34,879
Speaker 9: No sacks?

2184
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:36,120
Speaker 1: A ws went.

2185
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 6: On, It doesn't it's semantics. But manhandled was a little

2186
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:40,920
Speaker 6: strong beat.

2187
01:40:41,280 --> 01:40:43,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I saw him get running run by. I didn't

2188
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:44,640
Speaker 1: seem manhandled with you.

2189
01:40:44,920 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 18: There was a lot of pressure coming off the left side.

2190
01:40:48,400 --> 01:40:48,840
Speaker 9: I don't know.

2191
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:50,960
Speaker 1: It wasn't It wasn't a great day. I don't think.

2192
01:40:51,040 --> 01:40:51,639
Speaker 4: I think a lot.

2193
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 6: I just don't agree with a lot. I'm sorry anyways,

2194
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:54,880
Speaker 6: it's it doesn't matter.

2195
01:40:56,760 --> 01:41:00,559
Speaker 18: Well my my question, I guess moving forward, looking at

2196
01:41:00,640 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 18: the offensive line, looking down the road, are we going

2197
01:41:03,680 --> 01:41:08,120
Speaker 18: to be looking to shift those two guys inside where

2198
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:12,439
Speaker 18: Campbell goes to guard Wilson to center and then and

2199
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:15,479
Speaker 18: then add a tackle moving down the road, or are

2200
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,920
Speaker 18: we going to be looking at adding a younger center

2201
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:19,880
Speaker 18: at some point in time and tell those guys where

2202
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 18: they are.

2203
01:41:20,280 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: I think it's too early to say that. Who are

2204
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:26,640
Speaker 1: the other two guys that we have concerns about, Dallas.

2205
01:41:26,320 --> 01:41:30,000
Speaker 18: Often and Carlton Davis. I think Carlton Davis is right

2206
01:41:30,040 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 18: now through three grains, he's ranked sixty ninth out of

2207
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 18: one hundred and fifty eight cornerbacks. It's about halfway. I

2208
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:40,200
Speaker 18: thought he got He got burned by Dante Thorden in

2209
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:44,560
Speaker 18: the first game and then the gk Metcalf catch for

2210
01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 18: the touchdown where James didn't even get off his speed.

2211
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 18: You can test that. Yeah, I just think he's been

2212
01:41:51,040 --> 01:41:54,559
Speaker 18: he's been disappointing. He's again ranked right near the middle

2213
01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 18: of the pack both overall and in coverage, seventy five

2214
01:41:58,240 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 18: out of one fifty eight, and I just think he's

2215
01:42:01,400 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 18: been disappointing. I understand that Gonzales is not there and

2216
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 18: that when he is, you know, the assignment's kind of

2217
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,439
Speaker 18: moved down a level. But I just I wonder how

2218
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 18: you guys feel about Carlton Davis. Alex Austin has obviously

2219
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:18,960
Speaker 18: been the dumpster fire, but uh, now do you guys

2220
01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:21,679
Speaker 18: feel about Carlton Davis's performing through a couple of games?

2221
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 18: And I mean, Gazzale is coming back. This would be

2222
01:42:24,040 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 18: a good game for him to come back, right because

2223
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:29,840
Speaker 18: Chi Mac is not a burner. He's their lead receiver,

2224
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,640
Speaker 18: but he's a guy that you can Gizell should be

2225
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 18: able to keep up with pretty easily.

2226
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: Thanks Randy.

2227
01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:38,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not d No, he's giving up a couple

2228
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,080
Speaker 3: of plays, but that's that was a tough touch the NFL.

2229
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:42,360
Speaker 1: No, but I would just.

2230
01:42:42,360 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 6: Say, like giving up two catches the whole year, what

2231
01:42:44,439 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 6: I can't stand.

2232
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:48,240
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not gonna come and surprise to you

2233
01:42:48,240 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 1: guys is that I think these numbers in these rankings

2234
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: are completely destroyed.

2235
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:54,519
Speaker 2: Took the words out of my mouth. So you're saying

2236
01:42:54,560 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 2: he's given up two passes all year?

2237
01:42:57,200 --> 01:42:59,439
Speaker 1: Get down? So his percentage is terrible because he hasn't

2238
01:42:59,479 --> 01:43:02,800
Speaker 1: really been ad a lot, right, right, and one of

2239
01:43:02,800 --> 01:43:04,800
Speaker 1: the catches that he gave up, to Evan's point, was

2240
01:43:04,840 --> 01:43:07,400
Speaker 1: a big play. Well, so the numbers is gonna say

2241
01:43:07,439 --> 01:43:11,280
Speaker 1: that he's terrible. It's really a very small sample size.

2242
01:43:11,439 --> 01:43:13,800
Speaker 2: I think we're just talking and I'm does it take

2243
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:16,160
Speaker 2: into consideration like they didn't throw that way because he

2244
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 2: was in good verage?

2245
01:43:17,439 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 6: So no, But so then what are we talking about.

2246
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,759
Speaker 6: I'll cover it. I don't mean to pick on Randy.

2247
01:43:23,800 --> 01:43:26,519
Speaker 6: I know I got on him about Will Campbell. He

2248
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 6: picked two positions where when you make like one or

2249
01:43:29,000 --> 01:43:34,000
Speaker 6: two glaring mistakes it's obvious, right, Like corner and tackle

2250
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:37,639
Speaker 6: are two positions the corner of the office, right where

2251
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:40,640
Speaker 6: if you give up a sack as a tackle or

2252
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:42,720
Speaker 6: you give up a touchdown as a corner, then you

2253
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:45,400
Speaker 6: automatically had a good bad game or a good game.

2254
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 6: It's just the way. It's just kind of the nature

2255
01:43:47,680 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 6: of the beast. I would say with those two positions,

2256
01:43:50,479 --> 01:43:53,280
Speaker 6: like Carlon Davis, you know he said he didn't leave

2257
01:43:53,320 --> 01:43:56,280
Speaker 6: his feet on the DK play while he's out of face,

2258
01:43:56,360 --> 01:43:58,560
Speaker 6: so he's driving the catch point, he's not supposed to

2259
01:43:58,640 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 6: leave his feet. He didn't cover the play well, but

2260
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:03,880
Speaker 6: that was the one catch he gave up the entire game.

2261
01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm not telling you Davis has been great

2262
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:08,080
Speaker 1: in these three games, but I would just say that

2263
01:44:08,200 --> 01:44:10,679
Speaker 1: if and I'm not picking on Randy either. I agree

2264
01:44:10,720 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 1: with you, Ev, but I think if you didn't have

2265
01:44:13,400 --> 01:44:16,840
Speaker 1: these sights that have all this charting, I don't think

2266
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 1: people would look at the games, the three games, just

2267
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,240
Speaker 1: watch the games and say, you know what a big

2268
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:23,519
Speaker 1: problem is Carlton Davis. I don't think he's shown up.

2269
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that he's really been like a big

2270
01:44:26,439 --> 01:44:30,559
Speaker 1: part of these games. The Dante Thornton play and opening

2271
01:44:30,680 --> 01:44:33,559
Speaker 1: day was glaring. That was a bad error. He got

2272
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,880
Speaker 1: beat on a double move. It happens whatever. I agree

2273
01:44:36,920 --> 01:44:39,559
Speaker 1: with Evan. I didn't see the ball getting thrown towards

2274
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,240
Speaker 1: seven very often.

2275
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 9: Why would you throw it at seven?

2276
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,160
Speaker 1: He's the when you got twenty eight outdred they're picking

2277
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:49,000
Speaker 1: on him, and even then, you know Alex Austin has struggled.

2278
01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 4: I would agree with Randy I want is the one

2279
01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:51,479
Speaker 4: I agree with him.

2280
01:44:51,720 --> 01:44:54,040
Speaker 1: I would agree that he has struggled, but even hasn't

2281
01:44:54,080 --> 01:44:57,160
Speaker 1: been the huge amount of volume because they're not really

2282
01:44:57,200 --> 01:44:59,919
Speaker 1: picking on the corners all that much. They're like finding

2283
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,400
Speaker 1: guys in space. They're you know, Miami, how many times

2284
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:06,880
Speaker 1: did they get sort of linebackers in matchups that they

2285
01:45:06,880 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 1: wanted to get and exploiting the outside edges of the

2286
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:11,640
Speaker 1: you know, with Hill and Waddle in that game. So

2287
01:45:12,080 --> 01:45:15,720
Speaker 1: I don't even think the corners have been that you

2288
01:45:15,760 --> 01:45:18,720
Speaker 1: know that glaring. I agree Austin has struggled, and I've

2289
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: been disappointed by that because I thought he looked good

2290
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:23,840
Speaker 1: in training camp. I thought he had a strong train,

2291
01:45:24,160 --> 01:45:28,640
Speaker 1: he looked like a solid option. He hasn't been I

2292
01:45:28,640 --> 01:45:30,679
Speaker 1: don't think as much of him. I'm not as confident

2293
01:45:30,720 --> 01:45:32,240
Speaker 1: of him being able to do his job. Now.

2294
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just as I was.

2295
01:45:34,040 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 6: You're right, you know, three games in were way too

2296
01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:39,639
Speaker 6: early to make any declarations on Will Campbell one way

2297
01:45:39,720 --> 01:45:42,839
Speaker 6: or another. But if we're just evaluating the three games,

2298
01:45:43,120 --> 01:45:45,080
Speaker 6: like saying that they need to move him off of

2299
01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 6: left tackle too early, it is kind of crazy.

2300
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:49,200
Speaker 1: I thought he was pretty good against Miami.

2301
01:45:49,439 --> 01:45:52,759
Speaker 6: It was really good against Miami. But this game Herbert

2302
01:45:52,760 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 6: got him, did they Definitely he won the matchup. Now,

2303
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,200
Speaker 6: I pushed back on Randy because I don't think he

2304
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:02,000
Speaker 6: acted like well was a turnstile on Sunday, and I don't.

2305
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 9: I don't think it was that.

2306
01:46:03,160 --> 01:46:06,479
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily say Will Campbell specifically. I would just

2307
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,080
Speaker 1: say I thought Pittsburgh had a lot of quick pressure

2308
01:46:09,120 --> 01:46:12,240
Speaker 1: in this game. And then I was stunned to find

2309
01:46:12,240 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 1: out that for once one of my moronic takes, Mike

2310
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 1: actually looked it up and the numbers, uh, you know,

2311
01:46:20,080 --> 01:46:22,160
Speaker 1: bore it out. I wasn't. I didn't know what the

2312
01:46:22,240 --> 01:46:24,160
Speaker 1: number would be, but it just felt to me.

2313
01:46:24,439 --> 01:46:25,040
Speaker 4: It's just weird.

2314
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,280
Speaker 1: It was a lot of pressure.

2315
01:46:26,800 --> 01:46:29,439
Speaker 6: It was not not a ton, but I think like

2316
01:46:29,560 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 6: her big specifically, like those are the types of guys

2317
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:35,960
Speaker 6: that are going to be tough matchups for Campbell right

2318
01:46:35,960 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 6: now because he's got speed off the edge and the

2319
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,760
Speaker 6: guys that really get him opened up to the outside.

2320
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,120
Speaker 6: And then he hit him twice with double mood, you know,

2321
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:48,360
Speaker 6: inside moves, I should say, after he kind of set

2322
01:46:48,400 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 6: up the speed.

2323
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:50,960
Speaker 4: Which is why I disagree.

2324
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,800
Speaker 1: I think, what do you say, manhandle? Yeah, yeah, he

2325
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: ran by him. He wasn't manhandling him. I think when

2326
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: when will Campbell's able to lock up with guys, He's

2327
01:46:58,160 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 1: gonna win those more often than not.

2328
01:46:59,600 --> 01:47:01,679
Speaker 2: Wrong guy by Eric's in New Jersey.

2329
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 1: Hey Eric, Hey, I'm.

2330
01:47:04,360 --> 01:47:07,720
Speaker 13: Doing make two points real quick. I know Paul is

2331
01:47:07,720 --> 01:47:10,040
Speaker 13: gonna hate his comparison because he thinks his guy's a dink.

2332
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:12,080
Speaker 13: But Drake May I.

2333
01:47:11,960 --> 01:47:14,160
Speaker 11: Think he should have a lot of flashes. And I thought,

2334
01:47:14,520 --> 01:47:15,560
Speaker 11: I thought the world.

2335
01:47:15,280 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 18: Of Jay Cutler, you know the ball better than nobody

2336
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:19,840
Speaker 18: can run.

2337
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:24,200
Speaker 1: No, it's a great comp it's a great comp. I

2338
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,800
Speaker 1: agree with you. Now. The thing about Jay Cutler that

2339
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,439
Speaker 1: was so maddening was he had all these skills and

2340
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:32,519
Speaker 1: didn't seem I didn't know I don't know Jay Cutler.

2341
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was in his heart, but

2342
01:47:34,320 --> 01:47:35,840
Speaker 1: he didn't seem like he cared all that. You can

2343
01:47:35,880 --> 01:47:38,120
Speaker 1: tell he was kind of indifferent. I don't think it

2344
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:41,160
Speaker 1: as long it didn't It didn't seem like it mattered

2345
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:44,599
Speaker 1: that much to him. So, you know, I haven't seen

2346
01:47:44,640 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: any evidence of that in Drake May right that it's

2347
01:47:46,960 --> 01:47:49,400
Speaker 1: not important to him, that he's not serious about what

2348
01:47:49,439 --> 01:47:52,519
Speaker 1: he does. But from a physical perspective, I can that's

2349
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:54,719
Speaker 1: a good comp He's got a lot of the similar

2350
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:55,120
Speaker 1: skills set.

2351
01:47:55,200 --> 01:47:57,840
Speaker 9: He's a little bit more. Drake's a little bit more mobile.

2352
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,080
Speaker 4: Than Butler could move, though.

2353
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:02,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think May is an exceptional athlete. I

2354
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:03,000
Speaker 1: don't think Cutler was.

2355
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 6: But no, I meant times the quarterbacks mobility. Yeah, you know,

2356
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 6: Jay Cutler's the Trevor Lawrence is like the guys that

2357
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:10,439
Speaker 6: are just.

2358
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:11,240
Speaker 4: They got all the things.

2359
01:48:11,240 --> 01:48:13,599
Speaker 1: And Jay was another guy in college. Now he played

2360
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,160
Speaker 1: at Vanderbilt, which makes it a little bit even more difficult,

2361
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:18,599
Speaker 1: but you kind of watched him and you're like, why

2362
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,240
Speaker 1: doesn't this guy win more? Yeah?

2363
01:48:20,360 --> 01:48:22,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, Fred It was the highest blitz rate and the

2364
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,839
Speaker 3: highest pressure rate in terms of for the Patriots offense.

2365
01:48:24,920 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 3: Of the three games, I guess Pittsburgh.

2366
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:28,639
Speaker 1: So they blitzed and got there.

2367
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Pittsburgh blitzed the highest.

2368
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been rising forty two point six's according to

2369
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,080
Speaker 3: the next Gym.

2370
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 6: Maybe they count some of those five man rushes a

2371
01:48:39,479 --> 01:48:41,280
Speaker 6: blitzeres se mantics.

2372
01:48:41,640 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it went it went twenty six thirty seven,

2373
01:48:46,160 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 3: So it's been going up.

2374
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:49,240
Speaker 4: The pressure rate has been.

2375
01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm surprised because I felt like the Raiders just blitzed

2376
01:48:52,080 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 1: every play in the second half of that game, which

2377
01:48:54,200 --> 01:48:57,120
Speaker 1: kind of shut down their offense that day. Yeah, but

2378
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: that's the lowest rate that they had. The laders, they

2379
01:49:00,240 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 1: might not have blittered all on the first half.

2380
01:49:01,680 --> 01:49:04,240
Speaker 6: It's funny that I used to crawl up Bill's backside

2381
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:07,680
Speaker 6: like the five, like when there's five down on the

2382
01:49:07,680 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage, and that's not a blitz. A blitz

2383
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:13,040
Speaker 6: is coming from I have a second or third five.

2384
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:15,680
Speaker 2: I thought a blitz is when you brush more than

2385
01:49:15,720 --> 01:49:16,640
Speaker 2: their blocking.

2386
01:49:16,320 --> 01:49:19,280
Speaker 1: Well, and technically it's five, but I like, I don't

2387
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:21,759
Speaker 1: think like if I have five blockers and they're sending

2388
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:25,280
Speaker 1: five guys, you considered a blitz, but it is.

2389
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:27,760
Speaker 4: It's four blow or five plus. That's kind of us.

2390
01:49:27,920 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 2: But I thought a blitz is when they send an

2391
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:33,080
Speaker 2: extra guy. No, it's not where they send it.

2392
01:49:33,080 --> 01:49:34,400
Speaker 1: It's just I'm with you.

2393
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I but when you like, if there's five

2394
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,960
Speaker 6: guys across the line of scrimmage, right, and then there's

2395
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,559
Speaker 6: five offensive linemen, of blitz, so.

2396
01:49:44,600 --> 01:49:48,120
Speaker 2: It's some ky some kuys. Sometimes guys drop out, and

2397
01:49:48,160 --> 01:49:50,320
Speaker 2: then it comes from a safety.

2398
01:49:50,160 --> 01:49:51,479
Speaker 4: That's a blitz. That's right.

2399
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:55,280
Speaker 2: But so it's it's it doesn't matter where they come from,

2400
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:56,559
Speaker 2: it's how many come.

2401
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:59,040
Speaker 9: But if it's if they run.

2402
01:49:59,240 --> 01:50:01,639
Speaker 2: But if this, well, if I have an extra tight

2403
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:04,720
Speaker 2: end as a blocker, then it's not a blitz because

2404
01:50:04,720 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 2: it's five on five, five hats.

2405
01:50:06,360 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 1: On five hats, but six that would be six on

2406
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:11,840
Speaker 1: five whatever. If I have a hat on every hat,

2407
01:50:11,880 --> 01:50:13,040
Speaker 1: it's not a blitz.

2408
01:50:13,800 --> 01:50:16,479
Speaker 9: Right, That's what I'm Yeah, But it doesn't matter where

2409
01:50:16,479 --> 01:50:17,000
Speaker 9: it comes from.

2410
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 1: What they're arguing about.

2411
01:50:20,120 --> 01:50:22,880
Speaker 6: How does it not matter where it comes from?

2412
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:27,360
Speaker 2: If I if I have if they only have five,

2413
01:50:27,439 --> 01:50:30,599
Speaker 2: If I have five blockers and they have five people coming,

2414
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:31,719
Speaker 2: it's not a blitz.

2415
01:50:31,920 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: I don't care if it comes from the safety.

2416
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,519
Speaker 9: But it matters a lot because of the protection scheme.

2417
01:50:36,600 --> 01:50:38,800
Speaker 2: Well, they might screw up because of that, but that

2418
01:50:38,840 --> 01:50:39,880
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's a blitz.

2419
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:40,960
Speaker 9: But that's not screwing up.

2420
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 3: So if they send, if they drop a defensive tackle

2421
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:44,840
Speaker 3: and a cornerback comes on the blitz, is that a

2422
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 3: blitz the only rush.

2423
01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:51,559
Speaker 1: Drop somebody out, But that's a red dog. No, no, no,

2424
01:50:54,640 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 1: something just the red dog, red dog like that. But

2425
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 1: when you ropping guys and you're bringing other guys this

2426
01:51:02,160 --> 01:51:03,280
Speaker 1: different zone, blitz.

2427
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 2: Right, but it's it's still a bit. But no, it's it.

2428
01:51:06,439 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 2: That's one hundred percent of the sky's pressure.

2429
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 1: It's it's not right.

2430
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:12,080
Speaker 9: But so but then you're sliding the line in a

2431
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:12,759
Speaker 9: different direction.

2432
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 1: Okay, so you screwed up. No you didn't.

2433
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:17,800
Speaker 2: You didn't You didn't read where the pressure is coming from.

2434
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:19,040
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean it's a blitz.

2435
01:51:19,200 --> 01:51:19,760
Speaker 4: What do you mean?

2436
01:51:19,800 --> 01:51:21,400
Speaker 1: That is exactly what it means.

2437
01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 2: So every time you every time you you can't read

2438
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:25,439
Speaker 2: the pressure, it's a blitz.

2439
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:28,200
Speaker 6: When if they if you are five down on the

2440
01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,519
Speaker 6: line of scrimmage and then they drop somebody out, but

2441
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:31,120
Speaker 6: they blitz the.

2442
01:51:31,160 --> 01:51:36,920
Speaker 2: Safety but you're you're using that word indiscriminately when.

2443
01:51:38,920 --> 01:51:41,360
Speaker 6: Okay, and they but they have five guys initially on

2444
01:51:41,400 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage. The offensive line has to block

2445
01:51:44,080 --> 01:51:46,320
Speaker 6: the bigs. You're not going to point the offense.

2446
01:51:46,360 --> 01:51:48,719
Speaker 1: But now there's only four bigs to block because somebody

2447
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:50,360
Speaker 1: but you can't.

2448
01:51:50,560 --> 01:51:52,599
Speaker 2: You don't know that until the ball is now okay,

2449
01:51:52,680 --> 01:51:54,559
Speaker 2: but that that's called the sky's pressure.

2450
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,479
Speaker 1: It's not a blitz, you know, this is this is

2451
01:51:56,520 --> 01:51:58,760
Speaker 1: this is a suit, This is a sup up version

2452
01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 1: of a trick player. This is jew I'm sorry Evans.

2453
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,439
Speaker 1: Right now, cornerback doesn't typically rush the passer, so when

2454
01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 1: he does, that's a blitz.

2455
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,800
Speaker 2: So what if they only had two guys on the

2456
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:13,439
Speaker 2: line defense and a corner came, Is that a blitz?

2457
01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 1: No, because only three guys go tackle, then that would

2458
01:52:17,080 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 1: be different. But the quarterback quarterback doesn't always but the

2459
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:21,400
Speaker 1: quarterback is still blitzing.

2460
01:52:21,479 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 2: I would say, oh, he's bringing that would say that

2461
01:52:24,320 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 2: it's not bliitching.

2462
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,240
Speaker 6: I would say that would still be a blitz. If

2463
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,960
Speaker 6: they had simulated pressure before the snatch.

2464
01:52:30,040 --> 01:52:32,240
Speaker 2: I'm talking about two guys line up on the defense

2465
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:34,200
Speaker 2: and then and then they blitz and they and they

2466
01:52:34,200 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 2: bring a corner.

2467
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:38,840
Speaker 1: But where are the other big guys. They don't they

2468
01:52:38,920 --> 01:52:39,559
Speaker 1: dropped off.

2469
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 4: Nine defense.

2470
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 2: It's a lighter they have more safeties in or they

2471
01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:47,000
Speaker 2: have you know.

2472
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:48,240
Speaker 1: So no team would ever do that. Then what are

2473
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:50,240
Speaker 1: you talking about? The Patriots? You used to have the

2474
01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:52,800
Speaker 1: tackles on the on the on the line, but they

2475
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 1: didn't send a cornerback from ten years back. I'm not

2476
01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:57,519
Speaker 1: talking about that. I'm just talking about talking about people

2477
01:52:57,560 --> 01:53:00,519
Speaker 1: on the field. Talk about people. You said, oh no, whatever,

2478
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:02,639
Speaker 1: just have two people on the line. I didn't happens.

2479
01:53:02,720 --> 01:53:04,640
Speaker 1: You just did say it. I said they wouldn't have

2480
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 1: the corner back ten yards off the line and then

2481
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: blitz loo with only two guys. How do you know, because.

2482
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 9: Maybe Brian Tyres would, Brian Flores would do something like.

2483
01:53:12,640 --> 01:53:14,760
Speaker 1: That right by the time that by the time that

2484
01:53:14,840 --> 01:53:16,639
Speaker 1: happens if you only have two So in other words,

2485
01:53:16,640 --> 01:53:19,599
Speaker 1: in your scenario, there's only two guys that five guys

2486
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: are responsible for. Everybody else is back in your scenario,

2487
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:26,160
Speaker 1: everybody else is like off the line of scrimmage. There's

2488
01:53:26,160 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: only two possible And I'm not saying way back. I'm

2489
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:34,240
Speaker 1: talking about you know, off the line right right, Yeah,

2490
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:34,840
Speaker 1: this is.

2491
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 4: How all the defense This is what I'm saying.

2492
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:38,880
Speaker 1: It wouldn't. No one would ever do that. That's my point.

2493
01:53:38,960 --> 01:53:41,559
Speaker 6: Oh I disagree, So like I'll give you an example

2494
01:53:41,600 --> 01:53:44,360
Speaker 6: and real real world example here. Okay, So last week

2495
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:48,960
Speaker 6: in Miami, Drake May's touchdown run, Judaan was unblocked off

2496
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 6: the edge. It was a five down defensive line. They

2497
01:53:52,120 --> 01:53:54,800
Speaker 6: set the mic for a four down defensive line, so

2498
01:53:54,840 --> 01:53:57,920
Speaker 6: they actually had five on five, but they slid the

2499
01:53:57,960 --> 01:53:59,240
Speaker 6: line accidentally.

2500
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:00,839
Speaker 9: It was they they messed.

2501
01:54:00,680 --> 01:54:01,080
Speaker 1: Up the mic.

2502
01:54:01,120 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 4: Point, So is that a blitz?

2503
01:54:02,600 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't a blitz because they had five on five,

2504
01:54:05,680 --> 01:54:08,400
Speaker 6: So that was that one was like a mental brain

2505
01:54:08,479 --> 01:54:10,280
Speaker 6: fart that they should have been able to reset the

2506
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:12,760
Speaker 6: mic and get all five of the guy's blocked. But

2507
01:54:12,880 --> 01:54:15,639
Speaker 6: now if you have those five bigs and Judon drops

2508
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:17,839
Speaker 6: out and a corner blitz, is that's blitz.

2509
01:54:18,760 --> 01:54:20,600
Speaker 1: You keep using that word blitz.

2510
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:22,439
Speaker 4: Because because he's blitzing bringing pressure.

2511
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,960
Speaker 2: I was taught a blitz is when you send an

2512
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:25,760
Speaker 2: extra guy.

2513
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:28,840
Speaker 1: So I think in general terms, I would agree with you.

2514
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:32,800
Speaker 1: I think what he's talking about, like when you have

2515
01:54:33,080 --> 01:54:35,840
Speaker 1: the product, the protection set, you have five guys.

2516
01:54:36,120 --> 01:54:38,120
Speaker 2: But that's the whole point is you try to trick them.

2517
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:40,600
Speaker 1: No, I understand that, but maybe one of those guys

2518
01:54:40,600 --> 01:54:43,920
Speaker 1: simulates like he's going and then stops, and then another

2519
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:46,640
Speaker 1: like it like a defensive comes. That's a blitz. Even

2520
01:54:46,640 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 1: though you're only bring in five guys. That's still I

2521
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:52,400
Speaker 1: think it's just disguised like you your thing with two

2522
01:54:52,400 --> 01:54:54,840
Speaker 1: guys like That's what they're trying to do is confuse you.

2523
01:54:55,200 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 1: But they're not going to have everybody like. They're not

2524
01:54:56,920 --> 01:54:58,680
Speaker 1: going to have nine guys off the line and only

2525
01:54:58,680 --> 01:55:01,520
Speaker 1: two on and and you're going to get confused where

2526
01:55:01,520 --> 01:55:02,400
Speaker 1: it's I was.

2527
01:55:02,360 --> 01:55:05,840
Speaker 2: Always taught when a team blitzes, they're taking a chance,

2528
01:55:06,440 --> 01:55:10,000
Speaker 2: they're taking a risk because they're they're using an extra

2529
01:55:10,120 --> 01:55:11,000
Speaker 2: guy to get there.

2530
01:55:11,560 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 1: Right, That's what I was blitz You know, the fewer

2531
01:55:14,160 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 1: guys you have in coverage, the more men coverage you have,

2532
01:55:16,400 --> 01:55:17,800
Speaker 1: and right, one guy, when you.

2533
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 2: Drop somebody out into coverage and move another guy, it's

2534
01:55:20,640 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 2: less of a risk. It's not a blitz. That's just

2535
01:55:25,000 --> 01:55:25,760
Speaker 2: what I was taught.

2536
01:55:25,800 --> 01:55:27,400
Speaker 4: This is no I hear what you're saying. You know,

2537
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:29,360
Speaker 4: I just think that you know, the people.

2538
01:55:29,120 --> 01:55:31,640
Speaker 1: I was taught by had wider pants. You know they

2539
01:55:31,680 --> 01:55:32,440
Speaker 1: weren't as tight.

2540
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

2541
01:55:34,120 --> 01:55:37,280
Speaker 6: I'm just telling you, like from an offensive line perspective,

2542
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:42,040
Speaker 6: like you're setting the protection pre snap fine based.

2543
01:55:41,840 --> 01:55:44,800
Speaker 1: Off of where using the word blitz, where the threats are.

2544
01:55:44,840 --> 01:55:46,760
Speaker 1: So like nothing you're saying is wrong.

2545
01:55:46,920 --> 01:55:50,120
Speaker 6: You're sliding, You're sliding it this way, and then they're

2546
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:52,800
Speaker 6: bringing pressure from the other way, Like there's no way

2547
01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:54,760
Speaker 6: you're going to be able to block that guy, Like

2548
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:56,120
Speaker 6: it's it's unless you're.

2549
01:55:56,040 --> 01:55:57,840
Speaker 1: Tom Brady and you point it out.

2550
01:55:59,720 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 2: Like the only way that you're blocking that Tom Brady

2551
01:56:03,480 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 2: didn't point out Tom Brady knew that guy's coming on.

2552
01:56:06,120 --> 01:56:08,360
Speaker 1: That's right, Ed Reid coming up. It's not like that's

2553
01:56:08,800 --> 01:56:11,920
Speaker 1: that's rights. I'm always coming I'm just gonna throw it

2554
01:56:11,960 --> 01:56:14,600
Speaker 1: over the top. I'm talking about I.

2555
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:17,080
Speaker 6: Just this was a fun conversation. I'm glad that we

2556
01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:17,640
Speaker 6: talked about.

2557
01:56:17,640 --> 01:56:21,320
Speaker 3: You can have your pff I'll take my PFK.

2558
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:24,600
Speaker 9: I just think it's modest.

2559
01:56:26,280 --> 01:56:28,920
Speaker 1: Numbers.

2560
01:56:29,080 --> 01:56:31,760
Speaker 6: This is this is what all this is nowadays, Like

2561
01:56:31,800 --> 01:56:35,080
Speaker 6: they like most defenses nowadays are not giving up the

2562
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:37,600
Speaker 6: numbers and coverage, like they're not bringing the house anymore.

2563
01:56:37,640 --> 01:56:38,839
Speaker 9: As often as they used.

2564
01:56:38,640 --> 01:56:40,920
Speaker 1: To, unless it's week one and we did well.

2565
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:44,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like we did on that last play, Carlton

2566
01:56:44,520 --> 01:56:46,000
Speaker 2: Davis was the only guy back there.

2567
01:56:46,360 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 4: He's right.

2568
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:50,320
Speaker 6: But now they're doing a lot more of these disguised

2569
01:56:50,400 --> 01:56:53,880
Speaker 6: pressures where it's we still really are getting the six

2570
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 6: or seven guys in coverage, but where who's dropping and

2571
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:59,640
Speaker 6: who's blitzing is changing on.

2572
01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:00,560
Speaker 1: The fly is coming?

2573
01:57:00,720 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so that that's confuse it. Who's rushing?

2574
01:57:04,120 --> 01:57:05,520
Speaker 4: Who's rushing about that?

2575
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I gotta go, I have a meeting. I have to

2576
01:57:07,680 --> 01:57:10,960
Speaker 1: BP bro. Sure, good show, good good ending. I like it.

2577
01:57:11,400 --> 01:57:12,400
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it.

2578
01:57:12,640 --> 01:57:16,320
Speaker 2: We'll be back tomorrow. Tomorrow's turn the page day Catch

2579
01:57:16,360 --> 01:57:19,920
Speaker 2: twenty two. It's Moorrow Okay, so you'll warm up the crowd, yeah,

2580
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 2: and we'll get it.

2581
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,640
Speaker 9: I'm gonna ask Bartha if you'll do what you we'll.

2582
01:57:23,520 --> 01:57:26,240
Speaker 1: Wake them up. All right. We'll be back tomorrow.

2583
01:57:28,440 --> 01:57:30,560
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