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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.

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Speaker 2: Hell that for me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a man, I'm for it.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for Dake Edith Steak.

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Speaker 3: Is that woo woom?

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Speaker 1: And then and tie.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the solid verbal boys. Hey girls, my

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Speaker 3: name's ty Hildebrant. That fun gentleman over there, the one,

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Speaker 3: the only, always incomparable Dan Rubenstein, sir, welcome back. How

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Speaker 3: are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm great, Tye. I'm I get to speak about a

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Speaker 2: team that I never thought would hold a special place

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Speaker 2: in my college football heart growing up in southern California,

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Speaker 2: but the number of times I've visited now the weird

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Speaker 2: place that Nebraska has in the show's lore and the

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Speaker 2: college football's lore since we started doing this show. I'm

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Speaker 2: especially excited to talk Nebraska football, which isn't always the case.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I can't get enough.

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Speaker 3: They're one of the more interesting programs, aren't they.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're arguably the most interesting program in the

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Speaker 2: country right now from a number of different angles. Just

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Speaker 2: you'll get the fan base growing impatient, but then suddenly,

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Speaker 2: like thrown into a frenzy over a new quarterback and

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Speaker 2: a new conference, and they're in sort of a geographic

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Speaker 2: place that's hard to recruit to at times. Scott Frost

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Speaker 2: it's not the easiest place to recruit to. And I

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Speaker 2: don't know. I met the lone playboy playmate that I've

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Speaker 2: ever met while tailgating at a Nebraska game. I probably

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Speaker 2: ate the best single thing I've eaten before a college

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Speaker 2: football game under an overpass tailgating in Lincoln, Nebraska, which

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to describe it. It was just

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Speaker 2: I hold Nebraska in like very high personal esteem.

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Speaker 3: And not to mention, we met for the first time

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Speaker 3: The field twenty ten Texas against Nebraska. Yeah, fond memories

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Speaker 3: for sure for us here with Nebraska football. And it's

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Speaker 3: a super interesting situation. We'll get into that and much

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Speaker 3: much more with Mitch Sherman from The Athletic from Lockdown

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Speaker 3: Nebraska the podcast check out his fine work. Mitch gracious

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Speaker 3: with this time, gave us about a half hour or

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Speaker 3: so talking to all things Nebraska and the structure around

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Speaker 3: what Matt Rule is creating. Obviously, this resurgence I guess

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Speaker 3: of hope and optimism now with Dylan Royola flipping from Georgia,

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Speaker 3: among other places, to now take his talents to Lincoln,

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Speaker 3: what does all of that mean for where this program

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Speaker 3: is headed in twenty twenty four and beyond. Remember, things

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Speaker 3: are changing for Nebraska now too within the conference because

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Speaker 3: the Big ten West goes bye bye. So many moving

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Speaker 3: pieces here. I'm excited to dive in. I've wanted to

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Speaker 2: Two mascots. One guy's kind of chiseled, the other one's

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Speaker 2: You've probably done a TikTok about this. Why Nebraska has

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Speaker 2: two mascots we like. There's just so much that I'm

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Speaker 3: The one thing I'm gonna start with when we bring

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Speaker 2: By the way, that sound to hear when you said

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Speaker 3: what this process should look like. They're not necessarily putting

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Speaker 2: as much as Nebraska fans already do that. They've been

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Speaker 3: A lot of the fan bases we talk about on

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Speaker 3: I know it's frustrating, and we're gonna talk to Mitch here.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever have you ever seen I don't know

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Speaker 2: No, Okay, So there's this trend where it's like you say,

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Speaker 3: get to our guest of honor. Let's all right, Dan,

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Speaker 3: We are very pleased to welcome Mitch Sherman onto the

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Speaker 3: of course of the athletic of the Locked on Nebraska podcasts. Sir,

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Speaker 3: welcome to the show. How are you today?

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Speaker 1: I am well, how are you guys? Thanks for having

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Speaker 3: Thank you. You're doing this on short notice and we

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Speaker 3: What is the state of the fan base right now?

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Speaker 3: If you had to put any kind of words to.

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Speaker 1: It, you have a fan base this is a little

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Speaker 1: consecutive losing seasons, which you know, even for me in

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Speaker 3: Right. Well, we're recording this on Monday, May the twentieth.

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Speaker 1: with Chubba Party. But those two had to have a

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Speaker 1: different skill set than what Nebraska built its offense to

436
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Speaker 1: be in twenty twenty three. So they shifted on the fly.

437
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: It's pretty tough to do, you know, incorporated a bunch

438
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Speaker 1: of option and QB run even beyond what they wanted

439
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Speaker 1: to do with Sims, and it just led to all

440
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Speaker 1: kinds of disjointedness. And you know, you had top two

441
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Speaker 1: running backs go down with injury in the same game,

442
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Speaker 1: two starting offensive linemen go down to injury in the

443
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Speaker 1: same game. Receivers were beat up. But that's the kind

444
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Speaker 1: of stuff that happens in college football and you've got

445
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Speaker 1: to be ready to adapt for it. Nebraska wasn't in

446
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Speaker 1: part because it was trying to shift the offense mid stream,

447
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Speaker 1: and then also because it was year one with a

448
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Speaker 1: new coaching staff and they just hadn't gotten to the

449
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Speaker 1: point where they'd built that kind of depth yet the

450
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Speaker 1: you know, the safeguard wasn't there, and it's not entirely

451
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Speaker 1: there now, but it's much better than it was a

452
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Speaker 1: year ago at this time. So even if like the

453
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Speaker 1: worst case scenario happens in Nebraska has some of the

454
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Speaker 1: same situations happened with injuries and you know, turnover issues,

455
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Speaker 1: it should be better prepared to deal with it here

456
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Speaker 1: in year two. And yeah, it's a different offense. You know,

457
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Speaker 1: Sadfield's is bringing, you know, something completely different to the

458
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Speaker 1: table than what you saw for the majority of last season.

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Speaker 2: And The good news about the majority of last season

460
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Speaker 2: is the defense was probably strong. We don't always know

461
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Speaker 2: with some of the quarterbacks that they faced, but they

462
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Speaker 2: performed like a good defense should against perhaps some disappointing quarterbacks.

463
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Speaker 2: When you look at their schedule this year, I think

464
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Speaker 2: they have UCLA and USC relatively later on. This is

465
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Speaker 2: a team that I think brings back I think their

466
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Speaker 2: ninth and returning defensive production. Where should this team be

467
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Speaker 2: strong defensively and what are reasonable expectations after a year

468
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Speaker 2: one that I would say is super encouraging from this defense?

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Tony White nearly got a head coaching

470
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Speaker 1: job because of that that work that uh that he

471
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Speaker 1: did with the defense in year one and taking over

472
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Speaker 1: a group that that you know, was really up and

473
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Speaker 1: down in in the transition year, terrible at the beginning

474
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Speaker 1: of the year in twenty two under Frost and then

475
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Speaker 1: made some strides late in the year. But new system

476
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Speaker 1: White brings in the three three five. You know, he's

477
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Speaker 1: of the rocky long mold and was the d C

478
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Speaker 1: at Syracuse before coming coming to work for Rule, and

479
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Speaker 1: you know, interesting and that he was. He was not

480
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Speaker 1: really a rule guy much of much of Matt Rule's

481
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Speaker 1: staff or made out of young coach made up of

482
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Speaker 1: young coaches that were with him at Temple either as

483
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Speaker 1: players or or you know, grad assistants, and then went

484
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Speaker 1: to Baylor and many of them went to Carolina. Tony

485
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: White wasn't you know. They they crossed paths at UCLA

486
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Speaker 1: when White was was just getting out of school as

487
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Speaker 1: a linebacker there and and Rule was a young assistant coach.

488
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Speaker 1: But so he put total trust Ruled it in and

489
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 1: Tony to bring in his system. And they were very

490
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Speaker 1: good at just kind of creating havoc in different ways,

491
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Speaker 1: you know, off coming at an offense from all kinds

492
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: of unique angles. And their strength this year is just

493
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: on top of the overall experience. It's up front and

494
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: that's where you'd like to see it. That's that's their

495
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: strength on offense with the offensive line and on defense

496
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Speaker 1: with the d line and led by a couple of

497
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Speaker 1: seniors in Ty Robinson and Nash hut Maker, who I

498
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: don't I don't want to go too far with it,

499
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: but definitely upper half of the Big Ten with their

500
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Speaker 1: you know, just their overall skill and ability and ceiling

501
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: and what they can do is as defensive linemen with

502
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 1: the chance, I think, to get even in maybe the

503
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Speaker 1: upper third of the Big Ten.

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Speaker 3: Mitch. We did episodes last week talking about both Penn

505
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: State and Tennessee, both of which I think benefit from

506
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: the fact that the structure within their respective conferences goes

507
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 3: away the SEC East the Big Ten East. Both those

508
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: programs had serious roadblocks in front of them and their

509
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 3: respective side of the conference. When we speak of Nebraska, though,

510
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 3: they're almost on the other side of that spectrum. With

511
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Speaker 3: the Big Ten West going away long been viewed as

512
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: the easier side of the Big Ten, maybe the easiest

513
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Speaker 3: division in all of college football. How does Nebraska approach

514
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Speaker 3: this new world order in the Big Ten and college

515
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Speaker 3: football as a whole, with this perception out there that, oh,

516
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Speaker 3: it's going to start getting harder. Yeah, I think that

517
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,040
Speaker 3: you can safely say it was the weak link in

518
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 3: the Big Ten when the West never won a conference

519
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 3: title over the East. In the structure as it was

520
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: and ended last year, I would agree Nebraska is in

521
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Speaker 3: a different spot than Tennessee or Penn State. And if

522
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Speaker 3: Nebraska had ever gotten to the point where it was

523
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Speaker 3: consistent and viable and making just like the some of

524
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Speaker 3: its parts. When it came to talent. As a member

525
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Speaker 3: of the Big Ten West, it would have been in

526
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 3: a good position because every year on the schedule there

527
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Speaker 3: were games against teams that Nebraska would have a talent

528
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Speaker 3: edge against.

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Speaker 1: They're not I mean, they're good programs. I mean, Northwestern

530
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Speaker 1: is a good program, and Purdue has been a good

531
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Speaker 1: program in Minnesota has been a good program. But there

532
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Speaker 1: are also games that Nebraska, if it's doing things right,

533
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Speaker 1: has a good chance to win, and there are fewer

534
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Speaker 1: of those games now on the schedule. They'll still have some,

535
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Speaker 1: but now they're on even ground with Ohio State or

536
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Speaker 1: Penn State, usc whatever as far as who they're going

537
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: to play and where they're going to play. So you

538
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: know that, you know, easy, easier than the East Road

539
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: or easier than the power programs in the conference. Road

540
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Speaker 1: to having a chance to play for a conference championship

541
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Speaker 1: is completely gone, and now you've got to be what

542
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Speaker 1: certainly a top ten team to to play for a

543
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Speaker 1: Big Ten championship. Nebraska's a way is away from being

544
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Speaker 1: in the conversation for that. So yeah, it's another challenge

545
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: for sure to pile on top for Matt Rule and

546
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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four. But uh, you know, they're in

547
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Speaker 1: the same boat as everybody else, So everybody else in

548
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Speaker 1: the Big ten West has got a tougher, tougher road

549
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Speaker 1: in addition to Nebraska. We'll see if that if that

550
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Speaker 1: one year for Nebraska with rule in starting to get

551
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: entrenched can be something that that kind of evens the

552
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: evens the playing field. If you were coming into this

553
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Speaker 1: as a team out of the West with a first

554
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Speaker 1: year coach, you know, I think you would really be

555
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Speaker 1: in for a route awakening as far it's just like

556
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Speaker 1: the trajectory of your program. At least in Nebraska it

557
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: can say, or what Wisconsin you can say, all right,

558
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Speaker 1: we've got one year to get our feet on the

559
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Speaker 1: ground before it gets really tough.

560
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Speaker 2: In this conference.

561
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Speaker 3: We talk often on this show, especially when you've got

562
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Speaker 3: a new coach or a first year coach at a

563
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: program about alignment. Matt Ruhle hired by somebody else who

564
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Speaker 3: since left. Now there's a new boss, Troy Dannen, who's

565
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 3: going to be the athletic director at Nebraska. What does

566
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Speaker 3: the alignment look like from the administrative side of things,

567
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 3: on the coaching side of things, and how that factors

568
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Speaker 3: in with Nil.

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Speaker 1: Well, there was a lot of concern when Trev Alberts

570
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Speaker 1: left unexpectedly in March. I mean one just because it

571
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Speaker 1: was Trev Alberts who was leaving Nebraska. And it's hard

572
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: to I could have seen Trev Alberts leaving Nebraska, but

573
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Speaker 1: not to be an athletic director in the SEC and

574
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Speaker 1: maybe to run the college Football playoff or be a

575
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Speaker 1: conference commissioner or something like that. So immediately it's like,

576
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Speaker 1: what's going on? Why is this happening? And then the

577
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 1: second concern is how is this going to impact or

578
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: maybe maybe in some people's minds it was. The first

579
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: concern is how is this going to impact Matt Rule?

580
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Because Nebraska feels like, for the first time in quite

581
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Speaker 1: a while, it has some real momentum and direction with

582
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Speaker 1: its football program and a plan as I mentioned earlier.

583
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Speaker 1: And now you take his security blanket and the guy

584
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Speaker 1: who hired him, the reason that Matt Rule came to Nebraska,

585
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Speaker 1: he's on record saying he came to Nebraska because of

586
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Speaker 1: Trev Alberts and Ted Carter. Ted Carter left to become

587
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: the president at Ohio State on January first, and then

588
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Speaker 1: in March there goes Trev Alberts to Texas A and

589
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Speaker 1: m So hold on a second, here, what's going on

590
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: with Matt Ruhle. And you know, to his credit again,

591
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Speaker 1: I think he under he sensed the moment, he understood

592
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: people's concerns, and right away he came out and made

593
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Speaker 1: a statement that he's all in committed to Nebraska, not

594
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Speaker 1: looking to go anywhere, you know, moving his parents to

595
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Speaker 1: the state, bringing his son to the state to be

596
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Speaker 1: a freshman in college. His wife is opening a business

597
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: in Lincoln. So he's not doing the things that you

598
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Speaker 1: would expect for a coach who you know, had had

599
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: plans to be here a short time. But hey, that

600
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 1: can all change in a hurry if the right offer

601
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: comes around. What helped the situation in a big way

602
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Speaker 1: was the replacement for Trev Alberts. And he's as much

603
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: of a match for Matt Rule as you could find.

604
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Speaker 1: Troy Dannen from Washing Short lived at Washington before that

605
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: at Tulane knew Matt Rule from their time together in

606
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Speaker 1: the American Conference when Rule was at Temple and and

607
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 1: dan And was at Tulane, and even beyond that, they

608
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: had some very deep mutual connections notably Pat Kraft, the

609
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,239
Speaker 1: a d at Penn State, who's a close friend of

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Speaker 1: both of them. It's not exactly I wouldn't go so

611
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Speaker 1: far as to say that Rule picked his boss, but

612
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Speaker 1: he he his presence. Rules presence loomed very large in

613
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Speaker 1: the decision that Nebraska made, that the Nebraska interim president

614
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 1: made to select Dan, and they knew as a university

615
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Speaker 1: that they had to find someone who would be in

616
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Speaker 1: step with Matt Rule, and they seem to have fallen

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Speaker 1: immediately into step. I just talked to Dan in last

618
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Speaker 1: week and he mentioned being with Matt Rule every day.

619
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Speaker 1: So they've they've found a connection there, and now the

620
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: job is to just continue to build that and create

621
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Speaker 1: the stability that existed when Rule came and then suddenly

622
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Speaker 1: didn't exist here in the early part of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: How are the things with perhaps an even more important

624
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Speaker 2: connection that will be Matt rule, with the money behind

625
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Speaker 2: the scenes, the donor class, the boosters, especially in the

626
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Speaker 2: NIL era, how is the enthusiasm behind the scenes. I

627
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 2: suspect it's robust, but how has that gone so far

628
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Speaker 2: in this first you know year in change?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you asked me about anil and I didn't answer

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Speaker 1: it in the last No, you're good. It's all a continuation,

631
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Speaker 1: but it's it's hugely important, right, I mean, it's the

632
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 1: it's the driving force behind behind college football right now,

633
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,399
Speaker 1: at least until it's not and things change and it's

634
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: revenue sharing and there's a salary cap or whatever direction

635
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: that we're headed. Yeah, it's good. I mean, Nebraska financially

636
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: has always been a program that's in good shape. But

637
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: that's on the inside where the budget is balanced and

638
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, the money is flowing and there's no debt

639
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 1: and they can build facilities without mortgaging the future. That's

640
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: all great and continues to to to be in a

641
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 1: good position. Stadiums sold out every week, has been since

642
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty two. So you can't ask for much much

643
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: better than that, unless sure o'house State or Texas. On

644
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: the outside, the NIL piece of it has improved. You know,

645
00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: there was a transition the with like there was with

646
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: everything else in football at Nebraska when when Frost left

647
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: and rule came in. I think there was some uncertainty

648
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: at the beginning on how much of the old NIL

649
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: structure would carry over to the new staff, and they

650
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: found a way to make it work and to to

651
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: to do the things that they need to do in NIL.

652
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Speaker 1: And I think they have a good system now with

653
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Speaker 1: their general manager with rules general manager Sean Padden, who's

654
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Speaker 1: been with him since the very beginning of for for

655
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Speaker 1: the most part, since the since the very beginning of

656
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: rules coaching days at Division three Albright College in Pennsylvania

657
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 1: twenty some years ago. Padden was there and he's here now.

658
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: And and the GM and the guy who is the

659
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: go between, the go between that connects the football program

660
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Speaker 1: with the NIL collective. So it's it's good. I'd say

661
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Speaker 1: it's top twenty nationally as far as the resources that

662
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Speaker 1: they that they have at their disposal. Uh and and

663
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: and the important thing is is the new boss in athletics,

664
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Speaker 1: Dan And I think he's embracing that more so than

665
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Speaker 1: his predecessor, Absolutely Trev Alberts was was in on NIL.

666
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 1: But but danin is even more so from like an

667
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: outside facing point of view. And I mean that like

668
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 1: he'll talk about it openly, like we have to be

669
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Speaker 1: doing things to allocate resources so that our student athletes

670
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: are taken care of. He's more upfront and open about

671
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: that than than trev Alberts was, and that will only

672
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Speaker 1: encourage additional donations, which is where it's at right now.

673
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: You've got to get you've got to you know, tap

674
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Speaker 1: the public for the you know, the the revenue too

675
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Speaker 1: to make these football players want to come to your

676
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: school and just as importantly want to stay at your school.

677
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: So he's thinking about the future. He's given a lot

678
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: of consideration in making decisions within the athletic department that

679
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: are impacted by what might happen in the months and

680
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: years ahead with with paying players. And you know, right

681
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: now it looks to be in a good place.

682
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: So off of that as well, and even with the

683
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Speaker 2: Dylan Royola piece, Nebraska has never really been a school

684
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Speaker 2: that has been sort of upper half of the Big

685
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: Ten consistently or upper third of the Big Ten consistently

686
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Speaker 2: in terms of high school recruiting. There does seem to

687
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 2: be new energy in Lincoln. There does seem to be

688
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: new energy with the Big Ten, with the addition of

689
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Speaker 2: new teams. Matt Ruhle has gone on the record before,

690
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 2: especially at his time at Baylor, saying, you know, he's

691
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 2: not concerned about stars, He's not concerned about sort of

692
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,320
Speaker 2: the Big names that he's finding fits for the program,

693
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: which is great, but that was a different era as well.

694
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Speaker 2: Has he evolved as a recruiter to a place that

695
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,319
Speaker 2: is pretty difficult to recruit to, especially when they're not

696
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 2: having that big national success.

697
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Speaker 1: Well a couple of things, and Nebraska's recruiting hasn't been

698
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 1: the problem. And you know, Frost brought in a number

699
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 1: of classes that were you know, anywhere from the upper

700
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Speaker 1: teams to upper twenties nationally and they would love to

701
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: be in that place as a program with the results

702
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: on the field. So it's been more about development and retention,

703
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: and you know, Rule in his first couple of classes

704
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: has has kept it about it in that in that spot.

705
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,320
Speaker 1: As far as the rankings and the stars go. Of course,

706
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 1: Royala was an outlier and being a five star and

707
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: the momentum that he has helped them generate has allowed

708
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: more players like him to start to look at the program,

709
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: which is kind of my second point. Even if you

710
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: say you're not concerned about stars and you're you're all

711
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,879
Speaker 1: about finding the three star kid who you can turn

712
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: into an NFL player, if a five star guy wants

713
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: to come visit, sure, on a weekend, in April or

714
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 1: in May or June. Hey, you're rolling out the red

715
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: carpet and you're all about make and that happened, and

716
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: Nebraska's had some of that, you know, notably five star

717
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: in Michael Terry, an athlete out of San Antonio who

718
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: visited for the spring game and is looking at Nebraska,

719
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: you know, in addition to every other school that a

720
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: five star would be looking at. And then David Sanders,

721
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman from North Carolina, who was in just

722
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Speaker 1: this month in May as the first of his official visits.

723
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Speaker 1: You know, these are impacted by Dylan Royola. I mean

724
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 1: these I'm not going to say that they absolutely wouldn't

725
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: visit Nebraska if it didn't have Dylan Royola there. But

726
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: he's front and center, He's he's he's everywhere when it

727
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: comes to recruiting for Nebraska. And that was even that

728
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 1: was the case really even before he was officially as

729
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Speaker 1: a student, like from the day that he signed, even

730
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Speaker 1: before he signed this in those few days that he

731
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Speaker 1: was committed in Nebraska in December, he was front and

732
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Speaker 1: center with what they were attempting to do and the

733
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Speaker 1: players that they were trying to connect with on a

734
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Speaker 1: recruiting on a recruiting level. So it's twofold. Now it's

735
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Speaker 1: go and find some of those five star types four

736
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Speaker 1: stars that might be more willing to look at Nebraska

737
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: now because it's started to make a name for itself

738
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: as a result of Rala in a couple others, you know,

739
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: Carter Nelson, Grant Bricks. These are pretty big time national

740
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: level of recruits who signed with Nebraska this last season

741
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,719
Speaker 1: in Rayla's class. But also keep an eye on the

742
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: kind of players who have made you your money in

743
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 1: the past. So they'll have their camps next month and

744
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: they'll probably offer half a dozen kids that people around

745
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 1: here who follow recruiting haven't necessarily had their eyes on.

746
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: He did it last year. It's going to continue to

747
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: be a staple of his program. He wants to see

748
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: players work out in front of him and then pick

749
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 1: and choose the talent that he thinks fits his program. So, yeah,

750
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: it's now too pronged. Where in the past with Rule

751
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: it was more about almost being solely focused on those

752
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: players who maybe Texas wasn't recruiting. Now, if you can

753
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 1: get a few of those guys and then a bunch

754
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: of the diamonds in the rough, you're probably in a

755
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: position to win bigger than even what he did at Baylor.

756
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 2: Every so often, and by that I mean every year

757
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 2: Tye allows himself to be seduced by somebody's schedule, and

758
00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 2: he's done this with Nebraska in years past, you know.

759
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,920
Speaker 2: And the caveat is always like, if they're decent, if

760
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: they're pretty good, if they have their act together, I

761
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: could see them starting out six and one, seven and

762
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,680
Speaker 2: oh nine and oh until they get to whoever, Nebraska

763
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: schedule's pretty great all things considered for that first like

764
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Speaker 2: two thirds mark. And even still, it's usc with a

765
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Speaker 2: first year starting quarterback. It's UCLA with what should be

766
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Speaker 2: a decent coach, but a first year head coach. There

767
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: Ohio State with a new quarterback. Like, there's a lot

768
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 2: of ifs for a lot of these teams on Nebraska's schedule,

769
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Speaker 2: and so suddenly Nebraska is looking weirdly stable with the

770
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Speaker 2: amount of returning production. Should Nebraska fans, Should people just

771
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 2: paying attention to Nebraska allow themselves to be seduced by

772
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Speaker 2: the circumstances around twenty twenty four in Nebraska.

773
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, things change in a hurry things changed

774
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: faster than ever in college football now, so one year

775
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: of stability can look pretty good compared to the rest

776
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: of your conference when you know that didn't used to

777
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: be the case. Yeah, I mean the same lineup of

778
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: teams for Nebraska, if it was structured differently, I think

779
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,319
Speaker 1: this it would make the schedule look look more concerning.

780
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: But they should be able to build some confidence. And

781
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: they really ought to be able to get to Bowl

782
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: eligibility without having to go and say, all right, we

783
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: got to win you know, two of the next three

784
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: against Ohio State, Wisconsin, and USC That shouldn't happen. If

785
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: it does, then some things went wrong in September. And

786
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 1: really the the you know, the the where Nebraska is

787
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: going to get over the hump or you know, where

788
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,040
Speaker 1: things start to come into focus is Week two against Colorado.

789
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Speaker 1: And this has been a four year double home and

790
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 1: home that Nebraska's had with Colorado over the last seven seasons.

791
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: And despite everything that's happened at Colorado, and you know,

792
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: last year there was a lot more positivity than in

793
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: the other years where these two teams matched Nebraska's oh

794
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: and three in those three games, and you know, Frost

795
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: lost his first game against Colorado in twenty eighteen and

796
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: the week after his scheduled opener was rained out. That

797
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: was a huge setback. A year later, Nebraska went to Colorado,

798
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: got to a big lead, blew it lost in overtime.

799
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: That was a huge setback. Last year, it's game two

800
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: for Matt Rule, game two for Dion Sanders. Nebraska goes

801
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: out with a lot of energy. Colorado of course, had

802
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 1: a lot of energy also in that game and gets

803
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: blown out in the second half of that game. That's

804
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: a big setback. You know, the quarterback situation gets thrown

805
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: into disarray in that game for Nebraska. So they haven't

806
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: just been losses. They've been they've been like almost nails

807
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: in the coffin gutting. Yeah, this has got this has

808
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: got to be this. Nebraska has to flip the flip

809
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: the narrative against Colorado in week two. I mean, has

810
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: utep in week one. So things should be they should

811
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: be feeling pretty good after week one. Of course, the

812
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: Buffs have got North Dakota State at home, so who knows.

813
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: It doesn't really matter for Nebraska whether Colorado wins or

814
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:41,280
Speaker 1: loses that game, but that's a big one on September seventh,

815
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,479
Speaker 1: and it's a night game now as of a couple

816
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: of weeks ago at Memorial Stadium, So I expect the

817
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: energy that night to be off the charts at a

818
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: level that maybe rivals what happened when Miami came to

819
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: Nebraska in twenty fourteen, or Michigan was in Lincoln in

820
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. It's first CFP team under Jim Harbaugh,

821
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: and that game was nearly a Nebraska win. I mean,

822
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: just a wild environment. So that's you know, that's the

823
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: tone setter. That's the word I was looking for earlier. Yeah,

824
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: and if they can get if they can get through

825
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: that and be two and oh, then you know six

826
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: and one going to Ohio State. I mean, dare I

827
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: even say seven and oh? Is it's on the table.

828
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: You know, It's not what Nebraska's done with those situations

829
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: in recent years, but at least you can consider it

830
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 1: if they can kind of slay that that beast that

831
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 1: has been CEU for the last few seasons.

832
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 3: His name is Mitch Sherman. He can find his fine

833
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 3: work out at the Athletic also on his podcast Locked

834
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: on Nebraska. I'll get you out of here on this Mitch,

835
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 3: we have called this run of shows, will it ever happen?

836
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: For We've been talking about teams getting over those humps.

837
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 3: I'm gonna word it a little bit differently with Nebraska.

838
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's totally fair to say, well

839
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 3: it ever happened for Nebraska. I feel like we've been

840
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 3: waiting for that to happen for a good long time.

841
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: Now.

842
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 3: At what point will you be confident that Nebraska has

843
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 3: turned a corner, truly turned a corner under matt rule,

844
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 3: and that the momentum and the hype and all the

845
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 3: stuff that we've been talking about for the last half

846
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 3: hour or so is real and tangible and leading down

847
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 3: a path that will hopefully amount to something more in

848
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 3: the future.

849
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to say, when when Nebraska wins all the

850
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: games that it's supposed to I think the easy answer

851
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: there is like, Okay, you upset Ohio State, like that

852
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: might not happen. You know, you win at USC Okay,

853
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: it's more attainable, but it might not happen. When Nebraska

854
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,680
Speaker 1: doesn't lose to Northern Illinois, you know, when it doesn't

855
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: lose to Troy, when it doesn't get blown out. Its

856
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: like on schedule by Iowa or Wisconsin one of those

857
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: two in any year, Like just when it does the

858
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: things that's supposed to supposed to do, like don't have

859
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: any drama against UTEP, beat Colorado, beat Northern Iowa, you know,

860
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 1: win the big ten games that you're supposed to win,

861
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: and look like the program that you want to be.

862
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean the program that wins twelve games that

863
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: that's you know, it's at this point that's not the

864
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 1: program that Nebraska fans want Nebraska to beat because you've

865
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: got to do the small things first. So just when

866
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: it starts to look like that kind of a program

867
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: that's not like the big hump, that's not the hump

868
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: that's going to like push them into the into a

869
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: twelve team college football playoff. But you know, you have

870
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: to crawl before you walk. And for Nebraska just to

871
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,359
Speaker 1: take care of the small things that the little things

872
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: that it used to take for granted, that it took

873
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: for granted for generations, then for me, that's how I

874
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: know that that they're that they're making progress, that the

875
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: hype that we've come to accept with rule is it

876
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: is real and on the right track.

877
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 2: By the way, just because Nebraska, both Lincoln and Omaha

878
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 2: will see fans from Eugene, Seattle, Los Angeles come in

879
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,840
Speaker 2: the next few years. Explain what a ronza is and

880
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: explain exactly what it is that Nebraska people do with

881
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 2: cinnamon rolls. Do you know about this tie?

882
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 3: Tangentially yes, yeah, tangentially yes, but.

883
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's chili on cinnamon rolls. Tie.

884
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:29,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm listening.

885
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 2: Well, let me it's a chili sauce. Explain.

886
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's not a chili sauce. It's chili and

887
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: cinnamon rolls. You don't you don't need to put the

888
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:42,239
Speaker 1: chili on the san Okay, it's it's like a side item. Now,

889
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 1: some people will dip the cinnamon roll into the chili,

890
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: and that's probably like a more advanced way of eating it.

891
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: But you can start just by having your chili in

892
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: a bowl and your cinnamon roll on a plate next

893
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: to it and eat them together.

894
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's it's like a more adventurous piece of

895
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: cornbread with your with your chili. I'm okay with it.

896
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, don't knock it until you try it.

897
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 2: No, I'm thrilled to have the opportunity that I've been

898
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 2: to Nebraska a few times. I've never had a runza tied.

899
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 2: Do you know what a runs is?

900
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 3: I do?

901
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, they look great. I just haven't had it.

902
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: And I implore anybody that visits Lincoln, Omaha wherever, give

903
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 2: give the local food a shot. It's delicious, that's all.

904
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,959
Speaker 1: They're easy to find.

905
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: Anything else, yeah, anything else I missed that people should be,

906
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: you know, stuff in their face with New Big ten fans.

907
00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 2: As far as food goes food and Lincoln food and Omaha,

908
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 2: if you're flying in from somewhere.

909
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:37,320
Speaker 1: Oh man, there's so much. There's so much good food.

910
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't just like, you know, hit me

911
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: up on Twitter, like I can't just single one or

912
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: two out. I'm I would just get I would get

913
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 1: destroyed for that. But there's there's a lot great pizza.

914
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: You know, there are all kinds of great Omaha is

915
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: a great, great food town. And if you if you're

916
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: coming to a Nebraska game and have the opportunity to

917
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: spend a little bit of time in Omaha. I'm biased

918
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: as an Omaha but do that and and you know,

919
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: do your research on the food and eat some local stuff.

920
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,800
Speaker 3: Great call beautiful Mitch Sherman, thanks again for your time

921
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 3: here and good luck this season. Hope it pants out

922
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: for Nebraska. Thanks a lot.

923
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys having me on Okay.

924
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 3: Big Thanks Mitch Sherman again. You could find his fine

925
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 3: work over at the Athletic as well as Locked on

926
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 3: Nebraska his podcast, Dan. I think Mitch reinforced what I

927
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 3: said at the top of the show, which is this

928
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: is a very grounded fan base happy. That's true, it

929
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 3: may not stay that way. College football is notorious for that.

930
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 3: Everything that Mitch said, every indication that he gave us

931
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,840
Speaker 3: about the fan base where it's at, how it's feeling

932
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 3: about this team feels to me like it is very healthy,

933
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 3: feels to me like it is very realistic and very grounded.

934
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: And if things work, if Matt Rule is able to

935
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: do it Nebraska what he has done at each of

936
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 3: his two previous college stops, they should be very happy.

937
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 3: Before long. They've got Dylan Royola, They've got a program

938
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 3: that seems like it is starting to like turn a

939
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 3: little bit of a corner here. Need to get to

940
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: a ball, need to show I think more basic competence

941
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 3: on offense. There's a lot that needs to be done,

942
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 3: but by and large, if it goes the direction that

943
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:25,760
Speaker 3: many think better times ahead.

944
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: Can I go through week two, not to like skip

945
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: ahead of week one, which or week zero, which are

946
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 2: nowhere near I think they're closer right now, We're we've

947
00:52:35,080 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 2: officially gone past the midway point of the offseason, right.

948
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're now in official like preseason territory

949
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: or there at you Yeah, we're getting close, all right.

950
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Phil Steele is in the middle of printing maybe potentially

951
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: his his magazine.

952
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw he posted something about that.

953
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the nineteen eighty three Nebraska team went, this

954
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: is what week two has in store because I just

955
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: got super excited here Mitch talk about the Colorado Nebraska

956
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: the double home and home, and we've gotten some you know,

957
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 2: weird crazy games, personalities whatever over the years. I don't

958
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: know how many Colorado coaches actually won. Is that was

959
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 2: it McIntyre, Durell and Dion winning like was it three

960
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 2: different ones?

961
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

962
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,399
Speaker 2: I don't remember. But this is what week two has

963
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,439
Speaker 2: in store, potentially headlined by Nebraska Colorado, which I now

964
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 2: can't wait for even more cal at Auburn, Okay, sure,

965
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 2: Arkansas Oklahoma State why not. Houston, Oklahoma is still on

966
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 2: the books, even though they're not in the same conference anymore.

967
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 2: Kansas Illinois was kind of a bloodbath for Illinois offense

968
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 2: last year. Syhawk is in Iowa City this year. Michigan State,

969
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: Maryland early Big Ten matchup, Boise State, Oregon always you

970
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:53,439
Speaker 2: know strange things there, Duke Northwestern in my backyard here

971
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: Pitt Cincinnati, Kansas State, Tulane, Baylor, Utah is now a

972
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 2: Big twelve Big.

973
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 3: Game leak two is Texas at Michigan.

974
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: Now Texas at Michigan was getting there. South Carolina Kentucky

975
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 2: early SEC matchup, Tennessee, NC State and Charlotte Like no, crazy,

976
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,959
Speaker 2: crazy top five matchup obvious right now, but I don't

977
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: know the depth of that list that I just rattled

978
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 2: off is pretty exciting to me.

979
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 3: Nebraska right now, per our friends over at DraftKings has

980
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 3: opened as a six and a half point favorite at

981
00:54:27,600 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: home over Colorado MM six and a half.

982
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 2: Mitch pointed out that the North Dakota State game will

983
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 2: have no bearing. Might disagree.

984
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: My hunch is at as that game gets closer, there

985
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 3: will be a lot of action on Colorado, provided Colorado

986
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 3: does not lose its opening matchup against North Dakota State.

987
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is a Thursday night, so they'll have a

988
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: little bit of extra time to prepare.

989
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would expect I would expect a lot of

990
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: steam coming in on Colorado, especially if Shador goes for

991
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: like four hundred and fifty yards passing. I mean, they're

992
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 3: they're an easy team to watch, Colorado is. They're obviously

993
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: an interesting team to bet, just given the nature of

994
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 3: how they played last season, which was pretty much all offense,

995
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: no line, no defense, but a lot of stats, and

996
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 3: I could see that point spread moving in an interesting direction,

997
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 3: probably in favor of Colorado, not necessarily because I would

998
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 3: want to bet Colorado, but simply by virtue of what

999
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 3: they might do week one against an FCS opponent.

1000
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely right. Yeah, it feels more like a

1001
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 2: four to four and a half point spread at time

1002
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 2: of kickoff.

1003
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:38,080
Speaker 3: But May twentieth, A lot will happen between now and then.

1004
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 3: Big thanks to our guest of honor, Mitch Mitch Sherman.

1005
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 3: Check them out again at the Athletic Locked on Nebraska

1006
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: his podcast. We will be back later on in the week.

1007
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 3: We're going to keep talking about some of these teams. Man, Yeah,

1008
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot. We're trying to pick teams out

1009
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,760
Speaker 3: that we all need to know a little bit more about.

1010
00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 3: We did Penn State, we did USC, did Tennessee. Everybody

1011
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 3: knows a lot about those teams already, but their circumstances

1012
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 3: are interesting, to say the least. Nebraska is another one

1013
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 3: of those teams that I think falls into that category.

1014
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 3: We're going to keep picking out teams that we think

1015
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 3: you need to know a little bit more about going

1016
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: into the season, seriy a more informed college football fan. This,

1017
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 3: of course, is long before we will dip our toes

1018
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:23,399
Speaker 3: in the murky waters of season previews, which we will

1019
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,879
Speaker 3: do at some point in July. But for now, these

1020
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 3: are teams that I think have at least us stroking

1021
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 3: the little hair on our chinny chin chin.

1022
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 2: Our grayish salt and pepper hair.

1023
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: Speak for yourself, but yes.

1024
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,800
Speaker 2: Speak from myself. Can you answer the question in your opinion,

1025
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 2: will it ever happen for Nebraska? It's too early to

1026
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:42,760
Speaker 2: say that about Matt Rule. We have zero basically sample

1027
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,400
Speaker 2: size about what Matt Rule's ceiling is at Nebraska. But

1028
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 2: just generally speaking, given the environment of the Big Ten,

1029
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 2: given what Nebraska has and hasn't done. Given what we know,

1030
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,000
Speaker 2: Matt rules upside to be.

1031
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:56,560
Speaker 1: Will it?

1032
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: Do you see what Mitch pointed out as it quote

1033
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:04,439
Speaker 2: unquote happening as Nebraska as a TCB team, so sort

1034
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 2: of like a Wisconsin where Wisconsin was in the early

1035
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 2: to mid twenty teens. They beat the teams they should

1036
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 2: beat and perhaps come up a little bit short against

1037
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 2: the more talented obvious losses.

1038
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he Mitch said a couple things that

1039
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 3: I think resonated with me. The first is, the program

1040
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 3: feels stable. It's starting from a place of stability in

1041
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,560
Speaker 3: twenty twenty four that maybe it didn't have before Rule

1042
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 3: got there. That's the first thing. The second thing is,

1043
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: and we didn't talk a whole lot about Matt rules

1044
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 3: track record, but Matt Rule's got a track record. We

1045
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 3: mentioned it earlier. Matt Rule everywhere he's been on the

1046
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 3: college side, year two, year three, have gotten better. He's

1047
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 3: proven that he could do that. I think we had

1048
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 3: some concerns about him being away from college football for

1049
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 3: a couple of years while he took the gig with Carolina.

1050
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: Would that affect him at all as he tried to

1051
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 3: navigate these New Waters. I think how much college football

1052
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 3: has changed since in that interim period since he left

1053
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 3: to go to Carolina and then came back. So I

1054
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 3: think he has proven that he has what it takes,

1055
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 3: seems to be connecting on a level that's beneficial for

1056
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 3: that program. So I kind of put that out of mind.

1057
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 3: I lean on that track record. We just know he's

1058
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 3: a good coach. But the most important point that I

1059
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: got from Mitch was when he started speaking about momentum

1060
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 3: and what landing a guy like a Dylan Royola could

1061
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: mean for that program. From a momentum side of things.

1062
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 3: We've talked about this a little bit with respect to Colorado,

1063
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 3: right Colorado needs to get some momentum going in terms

1064
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 3: of not just wins and losses, but also putting guys

1065
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 3: in the NFL. You need to give guys a reason

1066
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 3: to want to come to your program. Right now, it's

1067
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: a lot of flash of Colorado. I understand why they're

1068
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 3: in the news all the time. Dion has kind of

1069
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: kicked up enough dust in order to create that. But

1070
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 3: on some level, you need to when the rubber meets road,

1071
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 3: you need to make sure that you were winning games,

1072
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 3: You're putting guys in the league and you are essentially

1073
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 3: using your program to recruit others to it. We have

1074
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 3: not seen that yet from Nebraska, but maybe Dilanroila can

1075
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 3: help bring that to Lincoln if he is able to

1076
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 3: kick up enough dust, if he is able to get

1077
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 3: people excited about that program. Hopefully, then that is sort

1078
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 3: of the flywheel. That is the thing that makes it

1079
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,960
Speaker 3: easier to recruit people to Lincoln, that makes the NIL

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00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 3: work more for them as opposed to know what could

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Speaker 3: be an uphill struggle. I'm hopeful that if in fact

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Speaker 3: this Raela thing works, that is going to be the

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00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 3: moment that makes quote unquote it happen or makes it

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00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 3: seem more attainable. What is it that's relative I would

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: like to start, if I'm a Nebraska fan by seeing

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Speaker 3: the team win six games and go to a bowl game.

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Speaker 2: I would be a nice first step.

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Speaker 3: To be a nice first step. What Mitch pointed out,

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Speaker 3: just when the games are supposed to that'll be an

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00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 3: also be a very very nice first step. Even if

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Speaker 3: they don't make it to a bawl. Just don't lose

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00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 3: to teams that you shouldn't lose to. I think that

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00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 3: is kind of your starting point. What is it in

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00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 3: this new world? I don't know. I don't know what

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01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 3: that is for Nebraska, I really don't. I would like

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01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 3: to see more talent. I would like to see obviously,

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Speaker 3: more wins. All that stuff I think goes without saying,

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Speaker 3: but just getting to a point where the program is

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01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 3: stable and continues to feel stable for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 3: I think that in and of itself would be a

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Speaker 3: huge step forward. So why don't we leave it at that?

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Speaker 3: Can they get there under Matt rule? I think they

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Speaker 3: absolutely can.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I follow a question, what is Penn Steak going

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01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: to look like under Matt rule? Similar vibes? Are you

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01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: still standing by that his wife is opening up business

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01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:39,160
Speaker 2: ty in Lincoln, Nebraska? Do you did Mitt Sherman do

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01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 2: anything to allay or change any of your I have, Matt,

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01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 2: how will we place James Franklin eventually?

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Speaker 3: That that has been my long term We can throw

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01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 3: it and take a toa I'll bring the volcano out

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Speaker 3: for one of our next episodes. But yeah, that has

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Speaker 3: been my long term prediction for pay and Stay football.

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Speaker 3: If and when James Franklin decides he wants to walk away,

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Speaker 3: and it may not be for a while. Sure, it

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01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 3: may not be for a while. I don't think that

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Speaker 3: there are a whole lot of folks interested in James

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Speaker 3: Franklin's services, not because he's not a good coach, but

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Speaker 3: because his stock since the last time we had this

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Speaker 3: conversation has probably gone down a little bit. He just

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Speaker 3: has not done much to improve his national standing as

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Speaker 3: a coach that might be in demand. But if and

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Speaker 3: when Franklin decides to walk away, and it could be

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Speaker 3: three five years from now, yeah, I will stand by

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Speaker 3: all of my predictions from the past and say that

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Speaker 3: Matt Rule will be the next coach at Penn State.

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Speaker 3: But hopefully for all parties involved, hopefully, if everything goes well,

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Speaker 3: we will not have to broach that subject because Nebraska

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01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 3: will be doing well, Penn State will be doing well,

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Speaker 3: all these coaches can exist harmoniously in their respective locations.

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Speaker 2: So here's my conclusion on Nebraska with where they stand now.

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01:01:54,160 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 2: When you have a number of coaches who can't consistently win,

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Speaker 2: and it's different reasons, right, it's you know, some of

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01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: it is personality with Bo Polini, or all of its

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01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 2: personality with Bo Polini. Scott Frost was all over the place,

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01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 2: when they'd have a decent defense, the offense would be

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01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 2: turnover prone and vice versa, and Mike Riley was never consistent.

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01:02:13,200 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: The Tommy Armstrong era felt like it lasted for thirteen years.

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Speaker 2: That to me is troubling the idea that things are

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01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:22,919
Speaker 2: just going to get more difficult outside of the Big

1141
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: Ten West existing in the Big Ten and you're now

1142
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,959
Speaker 2: going to enter into a time where it becomes even

1143
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 2: more I guess binary, right, you're either a playoff ish

1144
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 2: team or you're not. And it's hard to see Nebraska

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01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: in the short term being in that conversation. And then

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01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,880
Speaker 2: Dylan Riyola is looking at the ease with which he

1147
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,840
Speaker 2: could move on and become Alabama's next quarterback. I'm making

1148
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 2: that up right bad right where you're like, oh, Kaylin

1149
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 2: de borr is a wonder with quarterbacks and they don't

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01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 2: have a guy. I'm a guy, and you know that

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01:02:57,280 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: the ease with which he can do that, which he

1152
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 2: went to what four different high schools committed to Ryan

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01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: Da Kirby Smart, and Matt Rule where it's just like

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01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,919
Speaker 2: we've seen, we've seen this from him. If he's great,

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Speaker 2: if he's not great, whatever that I think mentally they're

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01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 2: in a stable place, but I don't know. I still

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01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: think it's a place that is fraught with a lot

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01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 2: of chaotic questions to me still, So my answer is

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Speaker 2: will it happen for Nebraska consistent bowling? Yes, definitely, absolutely,

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Speaker 2: they will consistently be a bowl team. Will Dylan Ryola

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Speaker 2: be satisfied with playing in consecutive outback Bowls? Perhaps?

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Speaker 3: No, that's all right in soliverbodgmail dot com. Let us

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01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 3: know your thoughts on Nebraska, let us know your thoughts

1164
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:47,320
Speaker 3: on teams we should explore next. We've got a couple

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01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,440
Speaker 3: that have queued up here now that will continue to discuss.

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Speaker 3: But as always, the verbowler hood, the verbowler hood looms large.

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01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: We appreciate your feedback. Hit us up not just via email,

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01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: but also across social media.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: We appreciate any and all suggestions. Make sure you go

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01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 3: on out check out Mitch's work again one more time

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Speaker 3: at the Athletic in the Lockdown Nebraska podcast, Dan, we'll

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Speaker 3: be back in a few days. I got another team.

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Speaker 3: As I said in the queue, we'll give too much

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Speaker 3: away at this point. Make it a bit of a

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Speaker 3: surprise as we get deeper into the week, but we'll

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Speaker 3: keep talking all things big and small you need to

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Speaker 3: know in the world of college football. Heyes, we round

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Speaker 3: the corner into what I called earlier the preseason. We're

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01:04:29,400 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 3: getting there, getting very close. So I have ty for

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Speaker 3: that guy there, Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Tie hilden Brand.

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Speaker 3: We back in a few days. Thanks, as always for

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Speaker 3: your support, hit follow, hit subscribe. In the meantime, stay solid, peace,