1 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Calahan. Here's 3 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: cal The country of my ancestors is trying to ban 4 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 1: fox hunting, and I'm sorry to say that one of 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: the band's chief proponents is a distant relation. The lower 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: House of Ireland's parliament, which is known as Doyle Arn, 7 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: recently voted to advance a bill that would outlaw fox 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: hunting and related practices. The bill would amend the Animal 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: Health and Welfare Act of twenty thirteen to ensure such 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: activities quote cannot be considered as lawful hunting. The bill 11 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: passed the first stage on a one thirteen to forty 12 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: nine vote, and now it moves on to the second 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: stage for further debate. If this bill passes, Ireland would 14 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: join its neighbor England in a banning the traditional hunting practice. 15 00:01:00,880 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: England band fox hunting with hounds all the way back 16 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: in two thousand and four, but it has remained legal 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: in Ireland now thanks to animal rights activists who wreck 18 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: characterized the practice as cruel and inhumane. The Emerald Isle 19 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: looks like it's going to follow suit. One of those activists. 20 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: I'm ashamed to admit is a representative named keen Oh Callahan. 21 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: O'Callahan told The Irish Times that all blood sports are 22 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: barbaric and cruel, and objected to his colleagues who tried 23 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: to stop the fox hunting band moving forward. O'Callahan is 24 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: entitled to his opinion, but from one Callahan to another, 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,680 Speaker 1: you should try something to yourself before you ban it 26 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: for everyone else. If old Kean ever finds himself in 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: the land of the Free, I'd be more than happy 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: to host him on a hunt. I'd be the best 29 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: kind of family reunion. You know that was just written 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: just for fun. I don't believe going back through my 31 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: ancestry that o callahan's and Callahan's necessarily had to be related, 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 1: but you know it's fun writing. This week we got legislation, 33 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 1: crossbows in the public lands, battle what's now and what's 34 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: to come? So gang, as we keep saying over and 35 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: over again, I have no idea what the reality is 36 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: going to be by the time you hear this. As 37 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: of right now. Senator Mike Lee of Utah, also the 38 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: chair of the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee. His 39 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 1: original language that would pull around three million acres of 40 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: public lands out of public hands to be sold off 41 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: out of a possible two hundred and fifty million acres. 42 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: And as we've covered here on the Week in Review, 43 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 1: the way that language was written, there's no real way 44 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 1: to say where exactly that land would be. It could 45 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: be land in a checkerboard pattern, land next to a town, 46 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: land far away from a town. It was pretty darn 47 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: sloppy and extremely concerning. Well, that language was pulled due 48 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:03,240 Speaker 1: to not making the Bird rule surviving the bird bath, 49 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: as some folks would call it. Bird rule comes into 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: play when one party has a super majority, like the 51 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: Republicans do now, so they controlled executive and the House 52 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Somebody can jump in here and straighten 53 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: me out. It may just be the House in the Senate. Well, 54 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: you can pass things faster with not as many votes 55 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: when there's a super majority. The bird rule is kind 56 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: of checks and balances to make sure that, like in 57 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: this budget process, for instance, that they're not just cramming 58 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: in a bunch of stuff because everybody's in one room 59 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: trying to get things done. It's got to pertain to 60 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: the budget. So Lee's original language was pulled because it 61 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: did not meet the bird criteria. He immediately started working 62 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: on another version that would meet the bird criteria. He 63 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: also openly admitted that he has been listening to all 64 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: that the public land advocates out there, of which there 65 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: are many, because I'll tell you, I've been all over 66 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 1: this country and not a lot of people like the 67 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: idea of having something taken away. Doesn't matter if you're 68 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: a bread truck driver, a little old lady counting birds 69 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: at the bird feeder, or a hunter, an angler, or 70 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: a shooter or whatever. Right, we got it, why would 71 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: we let them take it. Lee's revised language attempts to 72 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: placate some people by removing US Forest Service lands from 73 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: the chopping block, so the ONUS is placed squarely on 74 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 1: BLM lands. And then there's some additional funding that would 75 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: come from the revenue of those sales going back to 76 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:47,919 Speaker 1: counties and some conservation work. Again, the guy's just toned deaf. 77 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: He's trying to get his own agenda across, and he's 78 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: not listening to the American people or his colleagues. Land 79 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: sales for infrastructure needs or affordable housing they're provided for 80 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: already in Flipfah and Flint m It's a legal framework 81 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: that already exists. It passed through a voter approved process, nonpartisan, 82 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: and land sales have been enacted have gone through this 83 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: process prior to this administration, during the Biden administration, had 84 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: Harris won, she would have tried to get through a 85 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: land sale using that process. So we're just being sold 86 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 1: to bill of goods. If you can't tell, I'm a 87 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: little tired. We've been pounding the drum on this topic 88 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 1: and I've been blown away by the response from you know, 89 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: Billie Eilish, who I know through Saturday Night Live. I'm 90 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: told she sings as well fantastic. I'm a big fan 91 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: of her album, Don't Sell Our Public Lands. And then 92 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney from Spokane, Washington, which is a town with 93 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: mixed memories for me because I us to get drug 94 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: over there by some over zealous ants to go school 95 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: shopping and that may be the source of my childhood 96 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: trauma and possibly my current ward drove choices of wearing 97 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,279 Speaker 1: T shirts until they fall apart. Thank you, Bridget and Kelly. 98 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,239 Speaker 1: I know you meant good, but here we are regardless anyway. 99 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: Sidney Sweeney from Spokanistan. She also has been on Saturday 100 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:28,600 Speaker 1: Night Live. And I believe she did a great job actress, 101 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: I believe. And she came out for public lands, as 102 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: have birders and dog walkers, old people, young people, queer people, 103 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: straight people, people across the political spectrum. Because public lands 104 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: are not a part is an issue. They're part of 105 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: the fabric of America. And just thank you to everybody 106 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: who's come out and done this. You don't have to 107 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: have a following to be involved. These are your public lands. 108 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for raising a ruckus. I'm confident 109 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: right now that we're going to come out on the 110 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: good side of this particular battle, but there's many battles 111 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: to come. There's a lot of people within this administration 112 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: that want to see our public lands sold off because 113 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 1: they had never gone out there before themselves. They don't 114 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: know what these lands are good for. They're disconnected. They 115 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: don't know where their food comes from. They don't know 116 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 1: where cattle graze, they don't know where people recreate, they 117 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: don't know where the mental health of America eyes, which 118 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: is out in our big wide open space, is the 119 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: envy of every other country in the world. Tell you that. 120 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: So I'm hoping this language is dead in the water 121 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: that we're too close to President Trump's deadline of July 122 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: fourth to see this thing put back in and possibly 123 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: delay that signing. But time will tell, and I'll talk 124 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: to you about that on the next episode. What you 125 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: got to know, though, is your voice mattered. You weigh in. 126 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: It's not that hard. You made the phone calls, you 127 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: hit the email else, but you went to the back 128 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: Country Hunters and Anglers Action Alert Center, and now you're 129 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: part of the team. Okay, you cannot sit out until 130 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: the next election, because if you do, you know what 131 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: can happen. Okay, elections matter. But our job as citizens 132 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: of the United States is to weigh in over and 133 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: over and over again. It's a job, and I know 134 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: you're up to it. I appreciate you walking with me 135 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: down this big old conservation path. Voting is not enough anymore, 136 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: neither is buying your duck stamp or your conservation license 137 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: or your tags. You got to contribute more because it 138 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: seems like every year there's more and more people who 139 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: want to take this stuff away from us. Okay, but 140 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: your kick ass, and you're awesome. You're doing the work. 141 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: I see it, and I appreciate it. So let's get 142 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: on to the legislative desk. The Wyoming legislature is set 143 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: to consider a bill allowing large landowners to sell their 144 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: hunting tags on the open market, or should I say reconsider, 145 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: as a similar bill was rejected by the Senate last session, 146 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: only to reappear in altered form this month before the Travel, Recreation, 147 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: Wildlife and Cultural Resources Committee. The proposal would allow landowners 148 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: with more than two thousand acres to sell the coveted 149 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: tags at auction, similar to the way Governor's tags and 150 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: commissioner's tags are currently sold. I've gone on the record 151 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 1: with my ambivalents about governor's tags and the like in 152 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: the past. They come dangerously close to privatizing our shared 153 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: wildlife resource. But they also generate a ton of money 154 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: for state game and fish agencies in the essential conservation 155 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: work they do. In contrast, funds from the sale of 156 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 1: the landowner tags in this Wyoming proposal would go straight 157 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: back to the person who owns the property. Representative Robert 158 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: Worf and other supporters of the measures say that property 159 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: owners should be compensated for the food, water, and shelter 160 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: that animals on their properties are right now getting for free. 161 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: It's funny that he says that the animals are getting 162 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: the land for free. I've watched a lot of elk, deer, 163 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: pronghorn bears for a long time, never seen one reach 164 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: for a wallet. Of course, the landowner tags themselves are 165 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: already a pretty good deal for these hosts, as they 166 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: are valid in areas of the state that general hunting 167 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: tags aren't selling access to the animals belonging to all 168 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: of us to the highest bidder is a no go, 169 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 1: especially if the proceeds aren't going to conservation. So Wyoming 170 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,839 Speaker 1: ens Wyoming, heites wyomings call your state reps and let 171 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: them know they need to kick this one back to 172 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: the curb. Depending on what generation of ownership we're talking about, 173 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: chances are if you move to the Cowboys State during COVID, 174 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: you bought that chunk of dirt because it's got the 175 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 1: critters on it, not because you don't like them staying 176 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 1: in the Cowboy State. The Wyoming legislature is also mulling 177 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: an issue that's a little harder to define than a 178 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: tag auction. How far away is too far away to 179 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: take a rifle shot at an animal. Long distance shooting 180 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: has become more and more popular over the past several years, 181 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: and the meat eater dot Com has lots of great 182 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 1: coverage about squeezing the absolute most out of your sectional 183 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: densities and your focal planes and what have you. However, 184 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: pushback is growing as the shots on animals get farther 185 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: and farther away. In twenty eighteen, a hunter in Fremont County, 186 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 1: Wyoming recorded to himself killing an antelope from one nine 187 00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four yards away, prompting an outcry from 188 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: the legislature to limit long distance hunting. But how far 189 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: is too far? Shots that seemed outlandish and unethical with 190 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: iron sights in nineteen fifty five are layups for many 191 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: people with magnified optics in twenty twenty five. Part of 192 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: the issue here is, of course, fair chase, giving an 193 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: animal the chance to use its senses and wits to 194 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 1: stay alive. If a hunter can stay so far away 195 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: that there's no chance of an animal seeing or hearing 196 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: anything suspicious, then the interaction that defines hunting breaks down. 197 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: When does it become just kill them. Part of the 198 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: skill of hunting, the fun of it, is developing the 199 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 1: ability to get in close and a lot can change 200 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 1: between when a bullet leaves a muzzle and when it 201 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: arrives at its destination several seconds later. In the case 202 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: of our two thousand yard shooter, even if you were 203 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: theoretically able to hit a tick feeding right over deer's 204 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: vitals at a half mile, that deer could take a 205 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: couple steps and walk that tick and its vitals right 206 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: out of the target area. Still, everything I'm talking about 207 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: is ethics. It's a different story to codify that stuff 208 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: into law. Do we say five hundred yards is legal 209 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: and five oh one is illegal? For you non shooters 210 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: out there, that's not much of a difference. Require everyone 211 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: to submit their rangefinder read out with their harvest tags. 212 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: How do we regulate something like this? States have been 213 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: trying to do this for years. I'm not sure we'll 214 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: see good legislation come out of this topic tomorrow, but 215 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: it's good to be talking about this stuff, figuring out 216 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: together what our ethics should be. As we've talked about many, 217 00:12:57,400 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: many times, this is why you see technology regulation because 218 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: the people regulation is hard to put in paper. The 219 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: North Carolina legislature is considering a bill that could have 220 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:13,360 Speaker 1: a significant impact on the Tarheel State Fishery House Bill 221 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: four four to two would do two things. First, it 222 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: would restore a six week recreational fishing season for southern 223 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: flounder and allow year round fishing for red snapper. That 224 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: provision passed the House by a wide margin, but when 225 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: it was sent to the Senate, legislators added a much 226 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: more controversial amendment. Their version of the bill bans commercial 227 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: fishermen from using trial nets to harvest shrimp from any 228 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: coastal waters within a half mile of the shoreline. Trial 229 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: nets are large nets that are dragged along the bottom 230 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: of the ocean. It's an easy way to harvest shrimp, 231 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: but conservationists point out that tralink can have negative impacts 232 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: on marine environments. They catch and often kill non target 233 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: species and destroy the natural habitat on the seafloor. But 234 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 1: opponents of the bill say banning the practice will destroy 235 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: the state's shrimping industry and make the seafood more expensive. 236 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: The Senate version passed that chamber by a wide margin, 237 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,840 Speaker 1: and now it heads to the House. Finally, in South Dakota, 238 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: the Department of Game Fishing Parks has announced a plan 239 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 1: to suspend beaver trapping for all of the twenty twenty 240 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: five and twenty twenty six seasons in the Black Hills 241 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: Fire Protection District in the westernmost part of the state. 242 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: Trapping elsewhere will be unaffected. Beaver numbers have historically been 243 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: thriving in the Black Hills area, but that's changed in 244 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: the past decade or so. According to the news outlet 245 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: The South Dakota Searchlight, fifty two percent of watersheds in 246 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: the Black Hills had active beaver populations in twenty twelve, 247 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: but that number had fallen to twenty three percent by 248 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. By all, just blame a cycle of 249 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: habitat damage for the decline. Once cattle traffic breaks down, 250 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: riverbanks beavers have less willow and aspen trees to depend on. 251 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: Beavers then build fewer dams, which causes rivers to run faster, 252 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: which in turn makes it even harder to build dams. 253 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: The Department of Game, Fishing Parks hopes that the two 254 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: year pause will allow reintroduce beavers to gain a foothold 255 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: in the area and start turning that cycle in the 256 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: other direction. The state legislature's Rules Review Committee still needs 257 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: to approve the measure, so South Dakotin's bother your reps 258 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: to have them pay attention to this one. Over to 259 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: the waterhouserd Desk, a new ultra luxury golf resort has 260 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: been playing fast and loose with irrigation rules over in 261 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: the Shields Valley of Montana, just about an hour up 262 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: the road from Meat Eater headquarters. Crazy Mountain Rancher CMR 263 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: for short, was purchased in twenty twenty one by Cross 264 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: Harbor Capital Partners. That's a long name for a local rancher, 265 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: isn't it, The private equity firm who also owns the 266 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: Yellowstone Club and other swanky retreats that have transformed the 267 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: nearby Big Sky Valley. In September of twenty four, CMR 268 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: had its soft opening where players got to try out 269 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: the new course co designed by golf legend Ben Crenshaw. 270 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,320 Speaker 1: Must be a hell of a golfer, but I've never 271 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 1: heard of the guy. Sounds like a fun time, but 272 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: there was a hitch. Crazy Mountain Ranch had installed pipes 273 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: and we're pumping water out of nearby Rock Creek to 274 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 1: irrigate the greens without any of the necessary permits to 275 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: do so. For folks who don't know why this is 276 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: the problem? Water flows downhill to your neighbor. The club 277 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: had applied for water rights from the Department of Natural 278 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: Resources and Conservation the previous year, but instead of waiting 279 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: for approval, a process that takes everyone else a couple 280 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: of years, Crazy Mountain turned on the taps rather than 281 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: let the sod die. Not only that, but CMR also 282 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: changed the diversion point of Rock Creek, pumping that water 283 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: over a ridge to reach their greens, and storing water 284 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: at Rainbow Lake, which is designated only for wildlife. Again 285 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 1: without approvals. The club has even withdrawn its previous water 286 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: rights applications, and no new applications have been submitted. Why 287 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: would you need to apply for what you already stole. 288 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: You'd think this bad behavior would have consequences, but in 289 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,960 Speaker 1: November of last year, the Park County Conservation District determined 290 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 1: that no action was required, that no fine would be 291 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:05,360 Speaker 1: levied for the violations. Locals, as you can imagine, are 292 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 1: pretty teed off. That's a golf joke. Downstream landowner Tim 293 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,639 Speaker 1: Sundling told the Billings Gazette. The bottom line is the 294 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: rules are the same for everybody. It doesn't matter if 295 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,159 Speaker 1: you're the entitled or simply country folk leaning on their shovel. 296 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: Neighboring rancher Scott Knutson has gone further, filing an official 297 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,959 Speaker 1: objection with the DNRC. Right now is prime water demand 298 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: season in the West for golf courses, for egg land, 299 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: for ranchers, not to mention for the fish and wildlife 300 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: who depend on the streams and lakes. We're arguing about 301 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 1: there's likely not enough to go around if anyone takes 302 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: more than their fair share. So what are the enforcement 303 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: options to get CMR to play by the rules. The 304 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: DNRC is authorized to fine water use violators one thousand 305 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: dollars a day, but it's hard to tell if they're 306 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: willing to do so. Even if they did, a few 307 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 1: hundred grand is a pretty minor expense on CMR's balance sheet. 308 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: A court could issue a cease and desist order, and 309 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: county attorney or stated journey could sue to halt the 310 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: unlawful use. But would that ever lead to the authorities 311 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: sending work crews out to shut off and lock CMR's 312 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: pipes well. The Montana Free Press interviewed rich Sarazen, a 313 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: water deputy who travels the county documenting water use and 314 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: working with the district court to enforce the standing water rights. 315 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: He said, quote everything will be shut down going to 316 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Rainbow Lake, and it'll all be shut down going to 317 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: the golf course for the remainder of the summer. That's 318 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: my job. I got to do the dirty work. It's 319 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 1: not going to be easy, but they're going to have 320 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: to follow it. Otherwise I can get law enforcement involved 321 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: and we can settle issues. That way. Things up there 322 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: could really end up in the rough this summer. See, 323 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: I know golf guys try to keep up. Of course, 324 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,920 Speaker 1: the bigger issue here is precedent. If crazy Mountain Ranch 325 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: can abuse water rights this way and walk away without 326 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: a scratch, what's to stop them and other similar developers 327 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: from doing the same or worse in the future. We 328 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: don't have good enforcement options to correct CMR's water abuses, 329 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: in part because the kind of landowner buying properties across 330 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: the West is changing from mostly agricultural uses to resorts 331 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: or private hunting preserves. Legacy landowners like farmers and ranchers 332 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: know they can't step too far out of line on 333 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: water use without facing social consequences. Because they're parts of 334 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: the community. They use the same water sources, they call 335 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: the same fire department, They see each other in church. 336 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: The landowners like Crazy Mountain Ranch don't have that same interdependence. 337 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: In fact, CMR has its own separate fire department, even 338 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: its own private airport. What happens this summer with this 339 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,680 Speaker 1: local water use issue has implications across the region. Organizations 340 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: like Trout Unlimited and the Egg Council have been keeping 341 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: their eye on the issue and working on legislation to 342 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: strengthen oversight for this newer kind of water user. So 343 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,120 Speaker 1: as always, it's a good thing to support those folks 344 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: whose job it is to watch out for the rest 345 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: of us. Let's just hope those downstream users don't get 346 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: the shaft all summer long, which is kind of a 347 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 1: golf joke. Big thanks to Rachel Penders for sending this 348 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: one in to Keegan Nation, for speaking to us further, 349 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: and for the great reporting of Brett French and the 350 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: Buildings Gazette and Amanda Eggert in the Montana Free Press. 351 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Moving on to the survey desk, a brand spank and 352 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: new survey from the Council to advance hunting in the 353 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: shooting sports has found that Americans support for hunters remained strong, 354 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 1: but there's a catch. The study surveyed a sample of 355 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,879 Speaker 1: US residents and asked them a battery of questions about 356 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: their views and opinions around hunting. It found that while 357 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: seventy three percent of respondent strongly or moderately approved of 358 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: legal hunting and in general, that support dropped to just 359 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: thirty two percent if the hunter's primary reason was quote 360 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: for a trophy. However, if the hunter was going out 361 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 1: primarily to acquire meat, get locally sourced food, or help 362 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: control wildlife populations, support for hunting actually increased to eighty one, 363 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: eighty and seventy nine percent, respectively. This indicates, as the 364 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: studies authors point out, quote Americans are generally supportive of 365 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: outdoor traditions when they serve a clear, constructive purpose. That 366 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: makes sense, but I was still surprised at a few 367 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: of the other findings. Only thirty nine percent of respondents 368 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: said they approved of mount lion hunting, which is actually 369 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 1: a lower percentage than for grizzly bears or black bears. 370 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that people opposed mount lion hunting, but 371 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,679 Speaker 1: at first glance, this number doesn't jive with what we 372 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: saw in Colorado in November last year, nearly fifty five 373 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: percent of Colorado's voted against a lion hunting ban. For 374 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: those counting, that's fourteen percent higher than those who, according 375 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: to the survey, say they support hunting for cougars. But 376 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: here's what's interesting. This survey also found that fourteen percent 377 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:50,119 Speaker 1: of respondents neither approve nor disapprove of lion hunting. To me, 378 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: that means the effort in Colorado to oppose the hunting 379 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: ban convince those people in the middle. These folks might 380 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: not want to hunt cougars themselves, but our efforts last 381 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: year were enough to persuade them that they shouldn't ban 382 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: the practice. For the rest of us, that's encouraging as 383 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 1: we try to defeat similar bans in other states, or 384 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: even the effort to sell off public land. A person 385 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be personally invested in something to agree 386 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 1: that we shouldn't get rid of it. Anyway, support for 387 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: hunting in general has declined from a high of eighty 388 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: one percent in twenty twenty one. The hunting community was 389 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: still enjoying some post COVID support that year, but it 390 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: looks like the COVID bump might truly be over. Still, 391 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 1: support for hunting hasn't dropped significantly since last year, and 392 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: we still enjoy broad support from the non hunting public. 393 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 1: If you ask me, we should do everything we can 394 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: in our power to keep it that way. Everything I 395 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: kill is a trophy, bird, buck, bull fish, whatever, I stick, 396 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 1: all sorts of antlers on the wall, most of which 397 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 1: I'll tell you your rank and firell member of the real 398 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: Trophy Hunters Club wouldn't really know what I was doing. 399 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: That little scraggly buck a first timer kills is a trophy, 400 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: as are the tenderloins and the heart and the liver 401 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: and the pan. We've got to do a better job 402 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: of telling that story. Gain. Speaking of hunting support, we're 403 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: gonna stay with shoring up. By returning briefly to the 404 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: legislative desk, a new crossbow bill has bolted through the 405 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: New York State Assembly and State Senate and is now 406 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: headed for Governor Kathy Hochel's desk. Advocates say it's a 407 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 1: significant step in bringing more new hunters into the fold. 408 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: The bill, SO six three six zero, would recategorize crossbows 409 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: as archery equipment and allow them to be used during 410 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: all archery seasons in the state. Now I've gone on 411 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: record with my reservations about crossbows. They are significantly more 412 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: effective means of taking than vertical bows, which makes me 413 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: hesitant about allowing them during the longer seasons reserved for archery. 414 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 1: Many states have seasons set aside just for crossbows, which 415 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: is another good option. And you know, personally, a recurve 416 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: bows as advanced as I get with my aerosol in 417 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,959 Speaker 1: tech these days, unless I'm out there kicking butt at 418 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: the Shields Archery event. All you Shields folks can speak 419 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: up on that behalf. I think I got ten thousand points, 420 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: which was a big deal because I think three thousand 421 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: was only possible. It's a talent anyway. Proponents think the 422 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: bill will give a significant boost to hunter recruitment. Barriers 423 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: to entry for new hunters are high no matter where 424 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: you are, but in places like New York City they're 425 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: even higher. Owning and practicing with firearms is close to impossible, 426 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,359 Speaker 1: and learning to use a vertical bow is a tall 427 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: order for any newbie who spends more time on the 428 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 1: subway than on the back forty. But getting someone proficient 429 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: enough with a crossbow to hit a deer's vitals at 430 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: twenty yards is a lot more doable, and once a 431 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:47,000 Speaker 1: mentee has downed an animal, participated in the dressing and 432 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 1: butchering process, and eaten that first trophy meal, they're much 433 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 1: more likely to take on all the other challenges necessary 434 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: to become a self sufficient hunter. The mentoring organization Hunters 435 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 1: of Color in New York's BHA chapter, were in strumental 436 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: in getting this bill through the legislature, along with the 437 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: New York's Crossbow Coalition. I know some of my listeners 438 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: might not want their city slicker neighbors in their hunting spots, 439 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: thank you very much. But the more people who get 440 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,760 Speaker 1: out and use public lands and connect with the wildlife, 441 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 1: the more phone calls happen when we have a crisis 442 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: like the recent land sale fiasco and the One Big 443 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: Beautiful Bill. If elected officials from cities are hearing from 444 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: their constituents about these issues, the more they can influence 445 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: policy for everyone who wants to go outside on land 446 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: we all own from out in the remote back country 447 00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: all the way down on the stream access point near 448 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: the train station. If we can accomplish that by loosening 449 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: the rules on crossbows in this time and place, it 450 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: might be worth it. So Empire Staters contact Governor Kathy 451 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: Hochel and make sure your voices are heard either yea 452 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,880 Speaker 1: or nay on this one bill number so six three 453 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: six zero. Moving on to the what's that aftertaste desk? 454 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: Our fake meat desk has been quiet recently, but new 455 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 1: developments this month have really made a splash. Lab grown 456 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: salmon produced by the company wild Type recently received FDA 457 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: approval and was served to diners at the Portland, Oregon 458 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: restaurant con wild Type is touting the fact that this 459 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: isn't any old salmon, but rather quote unquote saku or 460 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: sashimi grade fish, the real primo stuff. Wild Type's product 461 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:25,480 Speaker 1: will be served at four more restaurants this summer. Although 462 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 1: other lab grown beef and chicken has received FDA approval 463 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,959 Speaker 1: in the past, this is the first cultured seafood and 464 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: we're not talking fish who took art history in college. 465 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: Wild Type extracts living cells from Pacific salmon, then propagates 466 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,360 Speaker 1: more cells in a tank through a process they compare 467 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,080 Speaker 1: to fermenting yogurt. They then use vegetable derived structuring agents 468 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,480 Speaker 1: to give the proteins something like the structure of fish. 469 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: There are a lot of unknowns here, and some more 470 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 1: fringe outlets have questioned the safety of the process. But 471 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: it seems like it ain't gonna kill you. You listeners know, 472 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: I've taken a hard stance skin's lab grown beef in 473 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: the past. If consumers get even more divorced from where 474 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: their food comes from plastic cup versus the ocean in 475 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: this case, then they start caring even less about protecting 476 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 1: the land or water around us. Cows not condos, as 477 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: the slogan goes, but fish present a bit of a 478 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 1: different question Overfishing is a significant problem around the world. 479 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:24,959 Speaker 1: According to the United Nations, one third of the world's 480 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: assessed fisheries are now being exploited past their biological limits. 481 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 1: Wild caught fish, especially those farther up the food chain, 482 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: now carry more contaminants and microplastics than ever Aquaculture seafood 483 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: farming also has significant drawbacks. Fish who live right on 484 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: top of each other don't end up very healthy and 485 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: can also carry significant levels of mercury and PCBs. The 486 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: waste from fish farms is often flushed into local waterways, 487 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: and the inputs for fish farms. Other smaller fish also 488 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: contribute to overfishing. It's a tough problem to crack, so 489 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: maybe another alternative for people looking to eat fish without 490 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 1: some of these downsides could be worth exploring. And maybe 491 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: fish sell slurry bonded to vegetable mesh tastes better than 492 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: it sounds. Little soy sauce and with sabi can't be 493 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 1: all that bad. I want to know what you think 494 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: about all the above. As per usual, Gang right in 495 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: to ask c A L. That's asscal at the meat 496 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,760 Speaker 1: eater dot com. Let me know what's going on in 497 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 1: your neck of the woods. Stay engaged, Gang, I'm proud 498 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,600 Speaker 1: of you. I appreciate you weighing in on this public 499 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: lands fight. If you got plenty happening, more to go 500 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: let me know what you want to talk about. Thanks again, 501 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 1: I'll talk to you next week.