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Speaker 1: Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Broms, Rob Phillips, and Bill
Speaker 1: Jones and welcome end to Talking Cowboys, our final show
Speaker 1: from Oxnard, California. Rob Phillips Brian brought us a festive
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola, I like that look. I love this look.
Speaker 1: I love that on the eve of the Cowboys journey
Speaker 1: to Hawaii. These are J C. Penny shirts. I believe
Speaker 1: they are. Yes, go get you one of those whatever
Speaker 1: Yanning got for us. Yeah, yeah, sponsors get you tho.
Speaker 1: I bet Bill Jones jealous of us. Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: great look. Micky got the tan going to you know,
Speaker 1: like you're on your own dive shop. It's Mickey's Dive
Speaker 1: Shots warmer this morning. Yeah, I don't need long sleeves.
Speaker 1: Actually good for you. Well, it's you know, it's dive shot,
Speaker 1: Mickey's dive shot. I'd tell Mickey's bar would probably be
Speaker 1: even better. A little surfing going on, Mickey surfing conk
Speaker 1: Chowder I like it ice cold beer. Maybe had maybe
Speaker 1: have a w gn on. No, I've never surfed Mickey. No,
Speaker 1: they'd harpooned me on the snarkle. I'll do that. I
Speaker 1: don't know. You guys got a day off on Friday.
Speaker 1: You could try. I'll tell you a real quick little
Speaker 1: storkling story about Hawaii Wi. Do you know size fourteen shoes?
Speaker 1: So I'm so worried we're over this this coral bed.
Speaker 1: It's like they tell me it's like a million years old,
Speaker 1: one of those things. And I was so worried about
Speaker 1: my flippers, like hitting the being too long a bottom
Speaker 1: and hitting the coral, you know, breaking off pieces. I
Speaker 1: was like, I was floating around. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: please don't touch the coral. Please don't touch the coral.
Speaker 1: I was worried that my Finn was gonna knock it. Okay, right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Snorkeling is the best. It is great. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think I would dive, but I can snorkel. How about it? Well,
Speaker 1: it's always it's sad leaving here every year because the
Speaker 1: weather is so great, everybody's so hospitable to us. A
Speaker 1: lot of good work done here, and knocks start a
Speaker 1: lot of good heart talked about that yesterday. Yeah, selfish
Speaker 1: say it was selfish about that, you know, I want
Speaker 1: teams coming to me and for scrimmages whatever. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I noticed that the intensity and practice. I thought the
Speaker 1: assistant coaches did a good job of ramping it up,
Speaker 1: like making sure these players didn't think, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: over with, we're leaving. I thought these last two days
Speaker 1: of practice were really really good in the and you
Speaker 1: can see the assistant coaches were making an effort to like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not letting up here. We still got work to do,
Speaker 1: and and they were very vocal, I thought, trying to
Speaker 1: inspire the guys. So yeah, and even even the little
Speaker 1: by play in the afternoon practice between Richard and Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure that just happened organically, like
Speaker 1: I think they had it in their mind, Okay, we
Speaker 1: gotta jack everybody up. Yeah. I think it was really
Speaker 1: funny on the the last compete period at the very end,
Speaker 1: right where they you know, where it was down to
Speaker 1: the three plays offit scored really like on the first
Speaker 1: play and Mark Colombo yelled at the defense two extra
Speaker 1: point two extra points, you know, and like all those
Speaker 1: defensive coaches were all sitting there and Mark was like
Speaker 1: two field goal, two field goal indio and he said
Speaker 1: he was laughing. He was kind of high five and
Speaker 1: the defense came back. So yeah, I thought when he
Speaker 1: yelled at that they were going to go for a
Speaker 1: two point No, he was, he was. He was rubbing it.
Speaker 1: He was, he was rubbing it in. And by the way, uh,
Speaker 1: the head coach said, had they scored that touchdown at
Speaker 1: the end of the game on Saturday, they were going
Speaker 1: for two, they're too Yeah, there you go. I think
Speaker 1: I think I read on the transcript that Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: would have really been disappointed in that decision. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: would have. Well, good, maybe the Cowboys were disappointed. He
Speaker 1: didn't play any of his players. Yeah, that's okay, fair enough,
Speaker 1: it's preseason, that's right. It was. Brian always say to
Speaker 1: Woody Wou and everybody out there in periscope, only worry
Speaker 1: about what you can control. That's right, that's right. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about Woody Wou and everybody in periscope. Good mor
Speaker 1: mat us. Yeah, questions whatever you have for getting to
Speaker 1: the championship game. He shouldn't like complain about anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fair enough. All right, So speaking of we're not letting
Speaker 1: up intensity, all right? Uh. Contract talk, Jerry met with
Speaker 1: the media. He's only done in a handful of time
Speaker 1: since he's been out here, about ten twelve minutes, mostly
Speaker 1: about dak Zeke and Amari. Yeah, what did you take
Speaker 1: from that discussion after practice? I don't think any things changed.
Speaker 1: I don't think they feel like their backs are against
Speaker 1: the wall. And it kind of furthered what he said
Speaker 1: on the pregame show when I asked him about the
Speaker 1: contracts and I specifically said those three and he said, well,
Speaker 1: all I know is I'm working on six of them.
Speaker 1: So he kind of reiterated the deal about we've got
Speaker 1: to sign a lot of guys and the market doesn't
Speaker 1: mean anything to me. What means to me is getting
Speaker 1: my guys signed as a team. And I think he
Speaker 1: used the analogy of DeMarcus Ware. Yeah. I was going
Speaker 1: to ask you guys about that if you had a
Speaker 1: thought about how he explained that to you, And what
Speaker 1: was the translation the Jerry whisper on that there. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean he started it off with saying, I don't
Speaker 1: have the responsibility of dealing with the market. I got
Speaker 1: to realize I could let a DeMarcus ware out of
Speaker 1: here because I don't have enough money because I paid
Speaker 1: it to many others. There you go. And so that's
Speaker 1: his analogy of I give it all to these guys,
Speaker 1: then the other guys that I'm trying to sign ain't
Speaker 1: gonna get done. And he didn't. He and he raised
Speaker 1: the possibility of one of those other guys getting done
Speaker 1: before the start of the season. I have a feeling
Speaker 1: Rob's gonna make quizzes on that a little bit here.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts on who that might be. I mean, we
Speaker 1: threw out a few names in our recap yesterday on
Speaker 1: the website, guys that are either restricted or unrestricted after
Speaker 1: this season currently who are not in the quote unquote
Speaker 1: big three, like the roster Jalen Smith. There's one Layl
Speaker 1: Collins yet, mcleake Collins. Yeah. Uh. Anthony Brown Byron Jones
Speaker 1: Byron Jones, Yeah, absolutely so yeah. I mean he kind
Speaker 1: of threw out a little mystery there, you know, could
Speaker 1: there be a fourth guy that they're because one thing
Speaker 1: he said throughout the offseason was there's no pecking order here.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of guys on this team.
Speaker 1: We like if if you know, we're not waiting to
Speaker 1: get one deal done to go get another done. I've
Speaker 1: I've had I've had guys tell him me, who do
Speaker 1: these contracts and stuff? You know, they said, listen, there
Speaker 1: is no order. Rob, you made the exact point. There,
Speaker 1: there is no order. If you're one of those guys
Speaker 1: that's coming in and willing to deal and and make
Speaker 1: a deal and give us an offer, and we'll make
Speaker 1: a counter offer and if you're willing to work with
Speaker 1: we'll sign you. I don't think it's like the It's
Speaker 1: like the cap guys have been sitting here the whole
Speaker 1: time and just okay, let's twiddle our thumbs and let's
Speaker 1: watch practice and let's not do anything. I mean, their
Speaker 1: doors open for business now. Like Mickey would tell you, you
Speaker 1: you got to be realistic with me here, don't you know,
Speaker 1: don't live in fantasyland, you know, live in reality of
Speaker 1: what like Jerry Jones is talking about, Jerry Jones does
Speaker 1: not want to go through losing another DeMarcus ware because
Speaker 1: he overpaid somebody else. That that is a that is
Speaker 1: a fact, and that is a fact that now you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about the things that the Cowboys over the
Speaker 1: years have done. They developed their their their mantra has
Speaker 1: been if you want to say, draft, sign our own,
Speaker 1: where when I was here it was maybe draft well,
Speaker 1: but overpay for other people's talent. That that's now in
Speaker 1: the past. Now they're moving to Okay, let's make sure
Speaker 1: that we could take care of all our players and
Speaker 1: still keep our team together without wrecking our salary cap
Speaker 1: and us having to lose players. So that that's a
Speaker 1: really salient example. D where like when it happened, was
Speaker 1: that the issue, although he was dealing with a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries right at the time back and they decided
Speaker 1: that where his base salary was right, it was a
Speaker 1: little bit high for their for their blood, how rich
Speaker 1: it was, and and so they decided to move on.
Speaker 1: And I think it was that it was that philosophy,
Speaker 1: let's cut a guy too soon than waiting too late
Speaker 1: and getting a broken down player. And he was he
Speaker 1: had injuries right at that time, but you know, he
Speaker 1: went on and had another year or two that was
Speaker 1: pretty good in Denver, right, So yeah, I don't But
Speaker 1: I think the other part of it was that, you know,
Speaker 1: they thought he was physically breaking down and then if
Speaker 1: they paid him that money, it might not have been
Speaker 1: available because of who you know, the Tony Romo contract
Speaker 1: as Brian contract coming up. So there, Yeah, there was
Speaker 1: a lot of factors in there. I thought. The interesting
Speaker 1: thing is, you know he said, really he goes, you know,
Speaker 1: when people said, are you getting worried and nothing's getting done,
Speaker 1: and he goes, He basically said, there's there's no leverage
Speaker 1: for either side until the season starts, meaning Zeke and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. He said, because the leverage is, well, he
Speaker 1: could miss games and we won't have them, but our
Speaker 1: leverage is he can lose paychecks, game checks and twenty
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars worth of game checks each week. So
Speaker 1: that's the leverage. And now you're sitting there going, I
Speaker 1: don't know if that they're playing chicken, but that's the
Speaker 1: leverage eats, you know, for each side. So he seems
Speaker 1: to think, and Jason seems to think that they still
Speaker 1: have a really good relationship with Zekiel Elle absolutely, So
Speaker 1: you know, the deal is dealing with the agent and
Speaker 1: what the agent's trying to get. And I guess at
Speaker 1: some point the player can step up and say sort
Speaker 1: of like where I mean not where DeMarcus Lawrence. That's
Speaker 1: I think let's get this done. You and Rob have
Speaker 1: talked about that. You right now, Rob has talked about
Speaker 1: that before that. In order to get this deal done,
Speaker 1: it maybe takes Steven Jones getting on the phone with
Speaker 1: Ezekiel and saying, listen, this is what I can do
Speaker 1: for you. Can you help me here because I'm trying
Speaker 1: to build and keep a team around you. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to give you one of the best top five offensive
Speaker 1: lines in the in the in the NFL. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to give you a quarterback that we feel like he's
Speaker 1: on the rise. I'm trying to give you a wide
Speaker 1: receiver that's one of the top five in the National
Speaker 1: Football League as well. If you can help me a
Speaker 1: little bit on this, you know, we can work together here.
Speaker 1: And I think I think I think Zeke could be reasonable.
Speaker 1: I think Zeke's a prideful guy though too. You know
Speaker 1: he knows this where this team. I mean he's if
Speaker 1: if Zeke was in camp and it was a Maury
Speaker 1: Cooper holding out, I'm sure Stephen Jones would have the
Speaker 1: same thing. Hey, I'm giving you a top five running back.
Speaker 1: I'm giving you a quarterback on the rise. I'm giving you,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, yeah, trying to keep players around
Speaker 1: you so you're not going you're not getting beat up
Speaker 1: and losing football games every week. Deadlines do make deals.
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence's deadline, to a certain extent was I should
Speaker 1: shoulder fixed. And if I don't get it fixed in
Speaker 1: the spring, then I'm jeopardizing my season, or at least
Speaker 1: part of it. And we just spoke about Zeke's and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys kind of artificial deadlines. I don't even know
Speaker 1: if they're artificial. It's the fact that there's games coming
Speaker 1: up that matter that will pay Zeke a lot of
Speaker 1: money per week, and the Cowboys and Zeke are trying
Speaker 1: to go win a Super Bowl this year and see,
Speaker 1: and you got to remember that those those base salaries,
Speaker 1: they exist even though you get an extension. It's not
Speaker 1: like you take off the base salaries for this year
Speaker 1: and you take away the base salary. He's guaranteed for
Speaker 1: next year. The extension starts after twenty twenty, so when
Speaker 1: you figure out the package, you know, like I've been
Speaker 1: trying to explain to folks, so when a player gets
Speaker 1: an extension, he's on the last year, that base salary
Speaker 1: for this year still counts, but it's next year, then
Speaker 1: it starts, and then it starts next year, so you
Speaker 1: have to factor in if it's a five year deal. Okay,
Speaker 1: what's he getting over six years? Right? Right? What's he
Speaker 1: getting over six this current year? Right? The other year,
Speaker 1: which devalues the average of its twenty million all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now it's fifteen million. The question for Periscope,
Speaker 1: they want to know, Okay, if Zeke does sign before Dak,
Speaker 1: does that affect Dak's negotiations? Are you concerning it two
Speaker 1: separate things? You can looking at this as all different
Speaker 1: types of things. Money. Does it affect how much they
Speaker 1: can pay them or or does it affect what they want? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think I think it. The question is how does
Speaker 1: that affect negotiations for Dak? I would imagine it might
Speaker 1: speed him up, but I mean it takes money out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But but but they they've they've prepared for all three
Speaker 1: of these top guys to be together. Yeah right, yeah, Now, now,
Speaker 1: I mean maybe there's gotta be some wiggle room at
Speaker 1: some point, because you can't just say this is what, well,
Speaker 1: I guess you could just say this I mean if
Speaker 1: I overpay, But if I overpay robbed and does that
Speaker 1: mean I gotta underpay? That's the question. I think that's
Speaker 1: what I think. You don't think that's the way it's
Speaker 1: gonna work, Okay, fair enough. I think each guy probably
Speaker 1: knows what, you know, what they need to have, you know.
Speaker 1: On the interesting thing I just thought of. You know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned DeMarcus Lawrence and they got together. Could that
Speaker 1: have happened a month earlier? Yeah? Like did it? What?
Speaker 1: What did it take to get to that point? Because
Speaker 1: he got what seemed like a fair contract right to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know what he thinks. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't look like obviously feel like that. Obviously feels like
Speaker 1: it was a fair deal to him because he signed it.
Speaker 1: And what what got it done? He walked in the
Speaker 1: room and talked you say that along, right? And and
Speaker 1: I know this for a fact that if if you're
Speaker 1: not just contracts, if you're negotiating a business deal with Jerry,
Speaker 1: if you're walking in the room, you better be prepared
Speaker 1: to get signed or signed the deal because he will
Speaker 1: talk you into it. Yeah, face to face. That's famous
Speaker 1: for when free agents come on official visits. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like if they're interested, and you know, if they're coming in,
Speaker 1: obviously there's mutual interest. Usually the guy's not leaving without
Speaker 1: a deal, or if it does, it's it's no more
Speaker 1: than twenty four hours. You know. It's like, I don't
Speaker 1: know if if Pepsi walks in the room, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: better be ready to do a deal. Yeah, because he
Speaker 1: is that good and engaging when he's in a negotiation. Jerry,
Speaker 1: I don't think the forty million report came up, but
Speaker 1: Jerry was asked about Dak reportedly turning down thirty million,
Speaker 1: and this is what he said. You don't have any
Speaker 1: financial way of knowing, any way of knowing where you
Speaker 1: are financially until a deal is done financially, and so
Speaker 1: you have no idea. It takes two both of us
Speaker 1: haven't said yes. At the same time, he also reiterated
Speaker 1: he's not focused on what the market is right and
Speaker 1: because there's a lot of talk about, well, there's top
Speaker 1: five offers, you know, for for these guys at their
Speaker 1: respective positions, and he just went on to say, it's
Speaker 1: it's if I'm listening to advice, it's how to get
Speaker 1: all these top players under the cap. And so I
Speaker 1: don't have the responsibility of dealing with the market. It's
Speaker 1: it's the cap it's under one roof. That's that's continues
Speaker 1: to be the line from Jerry and Stephen. We've got
Speaker 1: to be able to field one through fifty three long term,
Speaker 1: a team that can compete. See and from Dak's standpoint,
Speaker 1: he knows even if they don't get an extension this year,
Speaker 1: his guaranteed contract under the franchise tag next year is
Speaker 1: going to be somewhere close to thirty million. That's true, right,
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna get, true, and it's guaranteed. Now.
Speaker 1: Do you want some of that money early? Do you
Speaker 1: not want it all from in front or do you
Speaker 1: want to get it week by week? And that's the
Speaker 1: that's the chance you take. And I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: not a financial expert to know. Again, I would imagine
Speaker 1: his signing bonus is somewhere. If you look at all
Speaker 1: the other signing bonuses have been out there, they're not
Speaker 1: as high as they've been previously. So the signing bonus
Speaker 1: is probably twenty to thirty millions something like that. Do
Speaker 1: you want it all now or do you want to
Speaker 1: work for it? Next year under the franchise tache and
Speaker 1: that's the difference. The other thing Jerry said was he's
Speaker 1: gotten no indication from each camp that they wouldn't be
Speaker 1: willing to negotiate into the season. Yeah, if it came
Speaker 1: to that. So at this point, you know, things can change.
Speaker 1: But that's still a possibility, assuming or if these deals
Speaker 1: don't get done in a few weeks. That's in the
Speaker 1: book of sports writing questions. I know you negotiate during
Speaker 1: the season. If somebody was going to give you offered
Speaker 1: you thirty million dollars signing bonus in the season, you're
Speaker 1: going no. No. But that's a fair question. We discussed
Speaker 1: it yesterday and Zack Martin said a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I just want to focus on the season. That's fine.
Speaker 1: But so what if it didn't get done and they
Speaker 1: gave him the deal he wanted, he wasn't gonna go
Speaker 1: now now we ain't doing this, that one's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: It's a fair question to ask. It's a fair question. That's,
Speaker 1: like I said, it's in the book the Questions of
Speaker 1: sports right now. Okay, okay, you got to ask that's
Speaker 1: a standard question. All right, We've didn't mean to bring
Speaker 1: the house down. But no, I'm just look at the
Speaker 1: absolute truth. I'm just trying to take I'm trying to
Speaker 1: take off contract question. I mean, I'm trying to take
Speaker 1: us away from contract. Well, let's take a break and
Speaker 1: then move on to say he talked about a lot
Speaker 1: of other things. That's what we need to get into that.
Speaker 1: Let's take our first break and we come back. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about more from Jerry, and I've got some questions
Speaker 1: for you guys, kind of a larger view of training
Speaker 1: camp as we wrap up with two practices left in
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Speaker 1: segment two of our final show. As we we gotta
Speaker 1: pack our stuff up right, Yeah, get rolling. You gotta
Speaker 1: have it there tomorrow morning. Yeah. Um, you could put
Speaker 1: it there tonight if you want to get wet. Well though,
Speaker 1: it's going on the truck tonight. No tomorrow, six to ten. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just talked to Mike mccordon. So you get six
Speaker 1: in the morning. They're not leaving until three tomorrow. Oh,
Speaker 1: so you could, okay, put it out there the night.
Speaker 1: The way that Fogg has been coming in, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a wet said Hayes. The last two nights out here,
Speaker 1: it's been kind of has it been purple? No? No, okay,
Speaker 1: hazy though, hazy foggy all right, Uh, what's a periscope cooking?
Speaker 1: Like Brian? What you got? Well, they're they're asking questions
Speaker 1: about uh really, they're they're they're interested. They appreciate the
Speaker 1: fact that we did have a little contract talk there,
Speaker 1: but you know, do they they're wondering though about the
Speaker 1: situation when John Vay Johnson and Guiting, you know they're
Speaker 1: looking at that. Do we see I mean, I know
Speaker 1: Johnson's a little nicked up right now. Is that still?
Speaker 1: Do you still have John Vay Johnson in your plans?
Speaker 1: Mickey robbed Is he still or now all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you have to talk about Devin Smith and now
Speaker 1: talk about also Cric Wilson. Yes, yes, so, I mean,
Speaker 1: is are the two guys that we're clearly depending on
Speaker 1: how he's coming out of OTAs how you looked at it,
Speaker 1: the two guys that were the OTA darlings or now
Speaker 1: or they have they fallen behind? What we've seen with
Speaker 1: Devin Devin Smith, Yes, looked like to me, why I
Speaker 1: see why he was drafted in the second round. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I see why. I see. I get it now. Maybe
Speaker 1: you know the fact that his health wasn't good that
Speaker 1: that probably a big factor. But he's making some plays
Speaker 1: out here, guys, he really is making place. So my
Speaker 1: question is have the the OTA darlings taken a back seat?
Speaker 1: And again this is coming off periscope to the guys
Speaker 1: we've seen now, make don't know if it's a back seat.
Speaker 1: But I think there's higher level of competition right now,
Speaker 1: and now I think it's for one spot potentially. Potentially,
Speaker 1: I've got Tavon Austin at five. It depends. It depends
Speaker 1: on Noah Brown. Yeah, I think that they haven't They
Speaker 1: haven't rushed him back, and he's ready when they get
Speaker 1: back to the Star, he'll be ready to practice the
Speaker 1: way out of see him running out here, and he's
Speaker 1: finally standing with the guys going through the walkthrough, which
Speaker 1: he hadn't been doing before he had a jersey on. Uh,
Speaker 1: So I think he's getting closed. So I think all
Speaker 1: that depends on what they think of him. So I
Speaker 1: think there's depending on him or Tavon. There's one to
Speaker 1: two spots open unless they go really long. But I
Speaker 1: think the other two guys that we've been taught, actually
Speaker 1: the three guys Reggie Davis. Uh. We were thinking it
Speaker 1: was a three man race. Well it's a five man race,
Speaker 1: right because they really like what Devin Smith did in
Speaker 1: that preseason game. He should have had two touchdown passes
Speaker 1: if Rush had thrown the ball the way he should
Speaker 1: have because he had good protection on the deep one
Speaker 1: and the fact that he missed him wide open across
Speaker 1: the back of the end zone, and then he might
Speaker 1: White White rush. Yeah, sorry, Mike White. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: he missed Darius Jackson underneath. It's fourth down, right, So
Speaker 1: the fear of throwing underneath on first, second, or third
Speaker 1: down is you don't have a time out right, and
Speaker 1: you might burn the clock. But on fourth down, if
Speaker 1: he's open, and he's that wide open, then throw it underneath.
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw Troy Aikman dude in the game
Speaker 1: to Jay Novochek and the ball came up like two
Speaker 1: feet short of the goal line Cleveland, I believe it was,
Speaker 1: and they lost the game. Yeah, and everybody's like, what's
Speaker 1: Troy doing? Well, the guy was wide open underneath and
Speaker 1: they came up and made a really good tackle. Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick in uh in company. So I think those guys
Speaker 1: are in the conversation right now. Brian, you said you
Speaker 1: got Tavon at five. I thinking Noah's on. I'm thinking
Speaker 1: Noah's Okay, Okay, I'm thinking Noah's on at four, And
Speaker 1: I'm just going I'm not That's not me, That's that's
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm telling you what I think they're gonna do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so it might be one spot. I mean
Speaker 1: we've seen they've this team has kept seven receivers before,
Speaker 1: but it's not easy to do well. So it's a
Speaker 1: matter of who can return punts. Yeah, and you noticed
Speaker 1: in the second half Cedric Wilson was back there returning punts,
Speaker 1: and then yesterday Jordan Lewis was actually fielding a couple
Speaker 1: and we really hadn't seen much of that. So I
Speaker 1: think it's turning in their heads. Well, if we don't
Speaker 1: have Reggie Davis or Tavon, somebody else has got to return,
Speaker 1: somebody we trust catching them. Okay, Okay, let's let's play
Speaker 1: this little game. Gosh, I know you're gonna hate this, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I'll let you know. Okay, of all those guys, of
Speaker 1: the five guys we talked about, who would you hate
Speaker 1: to lose the most of the five? Yeah? Sure, of
Speaker 1: the five of the five guys that Mickey put out there,
Speaker 1: he's Mickey, and we were all thinking maybe it was
Speaker 1: a two or three man race. It's now five man race.
Speaker 1: Who would you feel the absolute worst about losing if
Speaker 1: they had to put one of those guys out? John
Speaker 1: By Johnson, I think it's too early day step question.
Speaker 1: I think for me, it's john v. Johnson. I think
Speaker 1: he's got I think he's got the most too. Really,
Speaker 1: I know you're gonna go with it. I'll answer the question.
Speaker 1: He's got the most natural to me, the most natural
Speaker 1: physical ability out there. Like to me, I look at
Speaker 1: a guy that's got a potential to maybe even be
Speaker 1: a starter in this league just based off of ability.
Speaker 1: Now he's got to be able to finish plays. But
Speaker 1: I just they love the guys makeup. I love his
Speaker 1: his pedigree, his dad played in the league. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's too big for him. Even though he's had
Speaker 1: some drops, it has been too big for him, don't
Speaker 1: you think. I don't know if he doesn't, because he's
Speaker 1: going with him and I appreciate his he's I don't
Speaker 1: think he made a lot of plays too, and he
Speaker 1: plays in the game. This happens in meetings all the time.
Speaker 1: There will be one guy tremendously passionate about a player
Speaker 1: and in potential, and then and then water and then no, no,
Speaker 1: but that's what you do. That's what you do, and
Speaker 1: and it makes and you know what you did the
Speaker 1: right thing by not going off on him. But it
Speaker 1: makes you think like, Okay, I've now I've got to
Speaker 1: really dig in. I've got to really dig in why
Speaker 1: I think this guy needs to be on this football dude,
Speaker 1: because I would fight you. I would fight you thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what does what does Devin what does you know Devin
Speaker 1: Smith look like to me? Or what does Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: look like to me? You know? Those are those are
Speaker 1: the kinds of I'm thinking of. Okay, here here are
Speaker 1: guys that I know, I know they have this talent.
Speaker 1: And not to say that, not to say that John
Speaker 1: Bay Johnson doesn't have everything you said, but I'm thinking like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what have I seen? And now sending Mickey throws in there. Okay, guys,
Speaker 1: let me ask you this. What has he done when
Speaker 1: we've thrown him onto the big stage? That? And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, now you have to think, Okay,
Speaker 1: how about all those practices, Mickey? How about all you
Speaker 1: know that? Now the arguments really start, and that's where
Speaker 1: it's tough, because you've got six tags on that board
Speaker 1: tilted that you're gonna gift to get rid of one
Speaker 1: of those guys, and so you rank them and you're
Speaker 1: thinking Okay, who who do you feel the absolute the
Speaker 1: guy who they feel the absolute worst about losing? It's
Speaker 1: going to make this team. That's how this one is
Speaker 1: gonna work. Because I don't know. I mean, you're looking
Speaker 1: at diamonds in the rough, right, and now you've got
Speaker 1: to ask yourself if I lose this guy, yeah, is
Speaker 1: there another guy coming around next year? Right? Yeah? Or
Speaker 1: is this guy so special he? I mean, or every
Speaker 1: one of them besides Wilson and Devin Smith fell through
Speaker 1: the draft this right? Can everybody be wrong? Now? Sometimes
Speaker 1: they are right because I think they're wrong on Gifford
Speaker 1: because I think you can pencil in him. He's gonna
Speaker 1: make this team. Okay, he is going to make it.
Speaker 1: He even injured. Jerry Jones mentioned him. Yeah, okay, but
Speaker 1: he also mentioned John Vay Johnson. Okay, are you willing
Speaker 1: to fight in that case? Are you willing to fight
Speaker 1: for Chris Kevington? Are you stand up at the table
Speaker 1: for Chris Kevington. I haven't seen enough for him to
Speaker 1: say I would rather him than Gifford, But you've seen
Speaker 1: enough of Gifford. I've seen enough of Gifford. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: on this team. I think I agree with him on that,
Speaker 1: and he made Mickey makes a good point like coaches
Speaker 1: love consistency, and you can argue there's been other receivers
Speaker 1: in this five we're talking about that have been more consistent. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's also about upside. I'll give you a great
Speaker 1: example too, if I could go ahead for Robin No, No,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a combination of both. You gotta go
Speaker 1: off of what your eyes have told you from day
Speaker 1: one through fifteen or whatever many practices they've had out here.
Speaker 1: But then do you have to balance with what do
Speaker 1: we think this guy can be if we can just
Speaker 1: get him to this point? I heard a coach one
Speaker 1: time in a meeting say this about two players. Coach
Speaker 1: said this, Julius Jones is just as good as Steven
Speaker 1: Jackson the running backs. Yeah, okay, that and that was
Speaker 1: that was that was the argument. That Nay, that's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need to pick Steven Jackson, right, if we
Speaker 1: lose Steven Jackson, We're okay because we're gonna get Julius
Speaker 1: Jones two thousand and four draft. That is the That
Speaker 1: is an argument that that was happening in a war
Speaker 1: room that Maurice cath On, the running backs coach, said
Speaker 1: he said, at my evaluation, Julius Jones is better than
Speaker 1: Steven Jackson. Everybody was trying to justify not losing Steven Jackson.
Speaker 1: And when when when Parcels heard that, then everything swayed.
Speaker 1: Now there's your okay, you you get you know, Julius
Speaker 1: Jones is a nice player. Stephen Jackson ended up with
Speaker 1: sit you know, twelve thirteen, fourteen thousand yards rush. You
Speaker 1: had a long career, yeah, exactly. So that's the argument
Speaker 1: that you have. That's why when they ask, they say
Speaker 1: who do you feel the worst about losing? Then somebody
Speaker 1: will argue, well, this guy's just as good. So if
Speaker 1: you lose John Vay Johnson, Mickey will tell you We'll
Speaker 1: wait a minute. I think that Devin's I think that
Speaker 1: Devin Smith will be just as good. I think that
Speaker 1: Jalen Guiton will be just as good. That's that's the
Speaker 1: problem that you deal with when you're trying to cut
Speaker 1: your team, especially at these spots. But what you have
Speaker 1: to calculate is if I try to get him on
Speaker 1: the practice squad, can I do it? And Jason talked
Speaker 1: a little bit about it yesterday, Right, you got to
Speaker 1: decide can I get him? And then if you lose him,
Speaker 1: if then you say okay, all right, well fine, or
Speaker 1: are you sitting there pulling your hair out because you
Speaker 1: took the shot. That's the thing, if that's that's the
Speaker 1: problem you run into is because you're sitting there thinking
Speaker 1: if you if you're sick about losing the guy, then
Speaker 1: but you can't keep them all. You can't keep them all.
Speaker 1: Matt Matt Moore's the best example. What ten years ago
Speaker 1: or so? Yeah, yeah, they get him on the practice
Speaker 1: squad when they couldn't. And now the guy other teams
Speaker 1: are watching, you'll take two, especially that last preseason game
Speaker 1: which he I mean back then he had a great finale.
Speaker 1: And okay, Dan, I'll ask it in a different way.
Speaker 1: Out of that group, who's the best that you've seen
Speaker 1: perform out here? Who would be number one on your list?
Speaker 1: In practice or in games? Both? Whole thing, whole package. Oh,
Speaker 1: I think we've seen more from John Vay, but the
Speaker 1: He's two guys are coming on now because they're getting
Speaker 1: more opportunities. No question. Well, I'm not sure anybody knew
Speaker 1: Devin Smith was on this team during no, ta me, right,
Speaker 1: I failed scouting. The only reason I knew it was
Speaker 1: because I was told about his speed and that he
Speaker 1: looks like he's running now the way he did coming
Speaker 1: out of Ohio State. Uh. And remember I said Ohio State, right,
Speaker 1: Oh no, heaven second round pick. So if he's running
Speaker 1: as well, he's got something. And we never got to
Speaker 1: see Cedric Wilson last year. See right, This is this
Speaker 1: is now a good point. This is to me, if
Speaker 1: you ask me complete package of practicing games, this is
Speaker 1: where I'll fight for Cedric Wilson. I don't argue with
Speaker 1: you on that. This is where I'll fight for Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson because downside is he's wearing dark glasses because he's
Speaker 1: in concussion protocol. The only guy out in practice with
Speaker 1: sunglasses on. But that's wear sidelines. Yeah, but I mean
Speaker 1: on the field, I don't have a jersey. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: um yeah. So you know he he's a again, it's
Speaker 1: a different type of slot receiver, right, He's a little bigger,
Speaker 1: but he's got speed and he seems to get open
Speaker 1: on a consistent basis, and he's not afraid obviously to
Speaker 1: go over the middle. Now, I don't know if that
Speaker 1: changes after he got jacked up on that pass that
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been thrown. Uh, but you know yesterday we
Speaker 1: have to we have to see, I mean, we have
Speaker 1: to see. There's three more preseason games to go. Lance
Speaker 1: Lenora was all Frisco, right, yea or Valley Ranch wherever
Speaker 1: he first started. Yeah, and then the lights came on
Speaker 1: and no, he shrunk yeah, uh to the point where
Speaker 1: they waived him injured and you know, and he reverts
Speaker 1: back to the to the injured reserve list because he
Speaker 1: cleared waivers. Is there another position that we're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about that's similar to what we're doing with
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Yeah, Defense, the defensive line. We talked about
Speaker 1: linebacker too though, right or is that just clear cut?
Speaker 1: I think I think that's over. You're calling that you're
Speaker 1: you're waving. It depends how many they're gonna keep. Seven. Well,
Speaker 1: they could six, So then you would have Covington and
Speaker 1: and and and March. Those would be the three guys Covington, March,
Speaker 1: and and and Gifford. And I got this feeling Gifford's
Speaker 1: on this team. Mickey has a gut feeling get defensive
Speaker 1: line is still fascinating to me because we were talking
Speaker 1: about it just sitting out of practice today or yesterday.
Speaker 1: There's guys that are showing up that you kind of
Speaker 1: know aren't gonna make it because there's just not enough
Speaker 1: room at the end. But like the second team defensive
Speaker 1: line yesterday was all rookies. Yeah, it was Jelkes, uh,
Speaker 1: why Walker and Joe Jackson. And that's not even counting
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill who was getting first team reps with Malik
Speaker 1: taking a rest day. So I mean they have a
Speaker 1: lot of decisions to make up front there. And and
Speaker 1: don't go to sleep on Christian, Yeah, Christian Christian Christian Covington,
Speaker 1: who's gotten some first team reps on the nickel right,
Speaker 1: he did as a pass rusher, see this is where
Speaker 1: and he did have I think four tackles in that
Speaker 1: game by the way. Okay, another question for Mickey that
Speaker 1: he's gonna say it's too early, while it is too early, okay,
Speaker 1: But if it's too early for okay, what position of
Speaker 1: the of those of Okay, as we're looking at our team,
Speaker 1: the linebackers, the defensive ends, and the wide receivers, which
Speaker 1: one is going to have the most difficult cuts. It's
Speaker 1: still the defensive line. Yeah, thank you for answering that question, Mickey,
Speaker 1: I agree, do you because because it's sixteen guys in
Speaker 1: a vast majority of them are good enough to make
Speaker 1: an NFL team. So you're gonna you're the likelihood you
Speaker 1: put defensive offensive line out there, they get claimed, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: especially offensive lineman. Yeah. So all of a sudden, now
Speaker 1: you're looking at these guys, you're saying, Okay, if we
Speaker 1: mess around here and keep an extra wide receiver, that
Speaker 1: means we might have to put an extra line. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's do it this way. M Carrie Hyder I
Speaker 1: talked to Rod Marnelly about him yesterday. He was really
Speaker 1: excited about him, and in a way that I didn't
Speaker 1: think he would be. That Joe Jackson. He's excited about
Speaker 1: Joe jack and the and the and the head owner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: keeps bringing his name, the owner, general manager. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: usually pretty good. Sime. Robert Quinn's in. Yeah. Then you
Speaker 1: got Daniel Wise, Shakier Soto and Ricky Walker, who two
Speaker 1: of those guys are kind of stepping out saying you
Speaker 1: put Ricky Walker out on the street from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 1: Someone's gonna go back and look at their college scouting
Speaker 1: report and say, man, maybe we were wrong about that,
Speaker 1: but you look at the numbers right now and you're like,
Speaker 1: how do you do it? Oh? No, I know, I
Speaker 1: know that's give Will McClay in that group finished, Jalen
Speaker 1: Jelks see talent, that's practice squad, so practiced. It makes
Speaker 1: Lawrence Armstrong makes it Daniel Ross be able to be careful.
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Ross has got one foot in the
Speaker 1: parking lot much. Christian Covington. I think he's impressing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he got MALIEK. Collins, Charlton, Crawford, and Woods.
Speaker 1: So that's a that's that's ten. It's really you could
Speaker 1: you could really keep twelve. Yeah yeah, see I think
Speaker 1: they keep ten. So you just named twelve out of
Speaker 1: sixteen that are you think are good enough to make
Speaker 1: this y yea yeah, yeah, that's the guy that you mean.
Speaker 1: You gotta hope, but you're gonna just know this. You
Speaker 1: put guys like Walker out there, he's gonna be gone
Speaker 1: because people will go back. Though he played well enough
Speaker 1: that San Francisco game, He's probably gonna play well against
Speaker 1: the Rams and their backup offensive lineman. You know, he's
Speaker 1: gonna show again, and then he's gonna get to play
Speaker 1: the whole game against Tampa at the end of the
Speaker 1: year or the end of the preseason, and then he'll
Speaker 1: probably show up at that and it's gonna be well,
Speaker 1: can we let him go? And it's like, no, we can't.
Speaker 1: And then you know, now we have to figure out, Okay,
Speaker 1: who else you gonna what veteran guy? I'll tell another
Speaker 1: position to keep an eye on, is safety. I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't think that. I don't think that Cabon Frasier's
Speaker 1: safe here. I don't think Cabon Frasier's safe. And who's
Speaker 1: taking his spot? I think the young man from Texas
Speaker 1: As Wilson. Yeah, absolutely. I think do they love Thompson.
Speaker 1: They will. They rave about Thompson. Oh he's so smart,
Speaker 1: he could do this. Thompson, Darren Thompson. They rave about him.
Speaker 1: But I think that I think that if you talk
Speaker 1: about a veteran that might be in trouble, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe veterans are in trouble. At wide receiver Tavon Austin,
Speaker 1: maybe he's in trouble. Maybe he is, maybe he's not.
Speaker 1: Chris Covington, linebacker, maybe he's in trouble, maybe he's not. Well,
Speaker 1: if you look at the defensive backs, I'll give you
Speaker 1: the if you're including Thompson, yes, okay, as the givens, right, Thompson,
Speaker 1: count him up, Oouzier, Woods, Jordan Lewis, Anthony Brown, Byron Jones.
Speaker 1: How we got already the five? You guys were supposed
Speaker 1: to count one? I thought you were okay, Yeah, that's six,
Speaker 1: six okay, okay, and then and then and then uh
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath seven, So that's seven. And now you got
Speaker 1: maybe three spots, Yeah, why not for Donovan Wilson, Mike
Speaker 1: Jackson Senior? And then uh, good one alumba okay, and
Speaker 1: I'll throw a lumba in there. So yeah, there's four
Speaker 1: to fit into three. I'm not sure about um what
Speaker 1: they think of C. J. Goodwin good special teams players? Yeah,
Speaker 1: see they'll tell you that. And then, Nicky, you made
Speaker 1: up a great point that if I was in a
Speaker 1: draft room arguing, I would say, why do we have
Speaker 1: all these special teams guys? We punt, We kicked the
Speaker 1: ball out of the end zone. We punt to the sideline.
Speaker 1: I did include Frazier in that. In that That's what
Speaker 1: I said yesterday. How many specialty guys can you? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're keeping one at wide receiver that hadn't
Speaker 1: practiced the whole ye, right, if that's what you want
Speaker 1: to call him. Man, that's pretty his primary roles. He's
Speaker 1: been a blocker. He can catch an occasional pass out
Speaker 1: for you. But yeah, I mean he's I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to make Mickey's point, but I'm just saying he's not
Speaker 1: there you are, Yeah, Okay, there's gonna be Do you
Speaker 1: think there's gonna be three guys on this roster that
Speaker 1: we're gonna go? What do you think? Or do you
Speaker 1: think we got that thing covered with what we just did? Well?
Speaker 1: I think the what's would be if Gifford makes it injured,
Speaker 1: Govern's gonna make it injured. Uh. And and you know
Speaker 1: at this point, if you have to shave, you're gonna go.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's yeah, yeah, you're gonna go
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks and and and then um the offensive line
Speaker 1: after eight. I don't see where nine and ten is eight.
Speaker 1: You could, but you don't want, especially with Zach situation.
Speaker 1: Is McGovern your eighth lineman, he's nine, He's nine. Okay.
Speaker 1: I think you have to cover yourself with Sue Philo. Okay,
Speaker 1: because Redmond Looney, Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, that's your eight.
Speaker 1: Get five with the eight, with the threes eight and
Speaker 1: McGovern is nine. Yeah, I think that's and then I'm
Speaker 1: not sure you got ten. Who's the next guy. I
Speaker 1: would rather keep an extra defensive lineman then I would
Speaker 1: an extra offense. Yeah, maybe you can get away with that.
Speaker 1: Those guys will go to the practice war because you've
Speaker 1: got you mentioned Looney, and there's some flex there, so
Speaker 1: maybe you can get away with going to one extra.
Speaker 1: Rob just told me though, if I put offensive linemen
Speaker 1: out there, they get claimed. We have two and a
Speaker 1: half more weeks of practice. Yeah, it's fun. Somebody else
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get hurt. These things clear them up. They
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Speaker 1: they think if he had a practice, he could practice.
Speaker 1: Right now, he's getting closed. What they don't want to
Speaker 1: do is send him out there and then he's got
Speaker 1: to come back to him. Yeah. They want it totally
Speaker 1: taken care of, healed, uh, and it's basically rest right now.
Speaker 1: The other guys we mentioned that, Jerry. You mentioned a
Speaker 1: couple that Jerry it has caught Jerry's eye, John Vay, Johnson,
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford, Doran's Armstrong, Tristan Hill and Tony some guy
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Speaker 1: keep the young guys. Yeah, give them rolling. Some draft
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Speaker 1: I know. Look, you're right, two and a half weeks
Speaker 1: of practice left, three preseason games. Yeah, but we're those
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Speaker 1: now and we're about to not be so. But we
Speaker 1: still got a week of training camp, actually a week
Speaker 1: and a half, right, Rob, I'm with you on this game.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, what do you got I'll put my name
Speaker 1: on it. Give me the best player you've seen on offense?
Speaker 1: Here a Knox narc for him? Oh wow, best player
Speaker 1: on off Okay, skill guy, Robber or anybody, anybody, lineman whatever.
Speaker 1: The quarterback, why, I just think he's had a really
Speaker 1: good camp and he I like the way he's driving
Speaker 1: the football when he wants to throw it down the seam.
Speaker 1: His feet footwork is feetwork on footwork is really good,
Speaker 1: and he's really getting his legs into the throw. And
Speaker 1: that's what he's got to concentrate on consistently driving the football,
Speaker 1: and you drive the football with your legs, not your arm.
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith. Yeah, I just feel like that. Tyren Smith.
Speaker 1: If you know, if if the Good Lord allows him
Speaker 1: to stay healthy the entire year, he's back to that level.
Speaker 1: I'm starting to You see the power, you see the mobility,
Speaker 1: the agility, the just the nastiness in which he plays.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. They've tried to throw young guy, old guy.
Speaker 1: He Robert Quinn is a quality rusher. He beat Robert
Speaker 1: Quinn up. Robert Quinn I think has the utmost respect
Speaker 1: for him now going against him every day. But they've
Speaker 1: thrown a lot at Tyron Smith and they've given him
Speaker 1: some veteran days hopefully to kind of get him. Just
Speaker 1: don't need him in week six to wake up and
Speaker 1: feel miserable with a back, because he is he is
Speaker 1: of the of like the top three type players. He's
Speaker 1: either one or two for me, Right, these guys are
Speaker 1: gonna start having Tyron Smith flew. Yeah, I'm not the
Speaker 1: next one in line. Oh, Tristan Tristan Hill said that.
Speaker 1: I interviewed Triston Hill and I said, I said, What's
Speaker 1: what are you excited about. You know, it's a terrible question,
Speaker 1: but what are you excited about the forty nine er game?
Speaker 1: He says, I don't have to go against Tyron Smith anymore. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that that's that's what. That's how he thinks. I'm
Speaker 1: with you on Tyro and I'll gallop honorable mention. Gallop
Speaker 1: is but that's a very good get good break out
Speaker 1: player of the year. So he kind of broke out
Speaker 1: the second half last year. Yeah, but he's doing better.
Speaker 1: It's not just everything's not just totally vertical now with
Speaker 1: right there's stuff that you see inside and he's running
Speaker 1: smooth route, catches the ball that every time. That ball
Speaker 1: he caught in the back of the end zone yesterday,
Speaker 1: I don't know how he caught it because I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be intercepted, so he couldn't have
Speaker 1: seen it into his hands. Jason Witten had one too
Speaker 1: yet and yeah behind his back. Just Witten just threw
Speaker 1: his right hand up in the air and it went
Speaker 1: into his hand. That's I mean, but that's guys that
Speaker 1: could catch the ball through that guy thinks. Actually, he's
Speaker 1: been pretty good. He's been very good. He's I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people if they were out here with
Speaker 1: us every single day, would be shocked at how well
Speaker 1: he's practicing now. I think a lot of the evaluation
Speaker 1: then will come down to can he block the way
Speaker 1: he used to when he was younger. They ran a
Speaker 1: couple of plays yesterday where he does enough now that
Speaker 1: ball gets to the touchdown. The touchdown that they had
Speaker 1: where they pulled uh they pulled uh, Suephilo and was
Speaker 1: Pollard Pollard ran in untouched. Yeah, that's a cave down.
Speaker 1: That's a cave from Looney, a cave from Collins, a
Speaker 1: cave from witten Poe. They secure the edge, They get
Speaker 1: the guys in the outside ball up inside, and he
Speaker 1: and from your tight end. You're not looking for pancakes.
Speaker 1: You're looking for a guy just to shield off up,
Speaker 1: shield him off. You don't have to put somebody on
Speaker 1: the ground and and you know, and that's one of
Speaker 1: the things those young guys still I think they have
Speaker 1: to improve. Jarwin and Schultz, for sure. Schultz got better
Speaker 1: towards the end of show yere. Uh. Now they're both
Speaker 1: banged up, but you need them back because if you
Speaker 1: saw what they were doing, they started putting Looney out
Speaker 1: there in too tight end because those guys they just
Speaker 1: got I'm sure McIlroy's not a who's ever asked him
Speaker 1: to block? And uh Marcus, Yeah, but let me tell you, Lucy,
Speaker 1: he's not a block. Let me tell you what is
Speaker 1: there is there a player that's grown more since OTAs
Speaker 1: to where we are today. Think Cody McElroy has made
Speaker 1: himself a legitimate practice squad player. He caught that pass
Speaker 1: and ran. Yes, yeah, yeah, I think I ran. I
Speaker 1: walked by Todd and very sarcastically said, yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: reminds me of Rico. He's he's Rico two point zero.
Speaker 1: He's and he's much better. He's much better, not even
Speaker 1: in the same clock. I'll take Ricky Walker in that
Speaker 1: category of the most improved gay. Yeah, that's on the
Speaker 1: mail bag right now. Actually, who you get that guy?
Speaker 1: They have him playing defensive end Ricky. Yes, they'll kick
Speaker 1: him inside. Mary Nelly knows what I'm playing all over.
Speaker 1: They're gonna they're just Mary Nelly's gonna put these guys
Speaker 1: in position to shine. He will the Rams game. You'll
Speaker 1: see him play more of a natural position. So now
Speaker 1: Ricky Walker is the flavor, not Daniel Wise they're both
Speaker 1: been good. But but but I noticed the game. Well
Speaker 1: the other day I noticed Daniel Wise more in the
Speaker 1: off season than I did Ricky Walker and Walker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't power Ricky Walker's guy. I started memorizing numbers
Speaker 1: to do the Blue White, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't need to worry about those two. I mean, he
Speaker 1: had He's had three sacks in the last two days.
Speaker 1: I know wouldn't be sacks. And then but who's he
Speaker 1: going up? I don't care. He showed up in the
Speaker 1: other games, going up against a bunch of guys that
Speaker 1: aren't going to make the practice squad, so he better
Speaker 1: do it in the games fair enough? All right? Uh defense,
Speaker 1: best player you've seen defensively quickly, best player defensively that's
Speaker 1: not quickly Xavier Woods, Xavier Woods, Xavier Woods or either him.
Speaker 1: I was going go the corner, Cheeto. Cheeto has been
Speaker 1: awfully good. Cheeto. I'll go Malik Collins. All those guys
Speaker 1: have really good I don't I don't think that we
Speaker 1: should have picked five. Yeah, yeah, I don't think you're
Speaker 1: wrong about Malik College. Yeah, because you're I mean that one.
Speaker 1: But I was thinking about, Okay, the dominant you've ever
Speaker 1: seen knockdown ball? Yeah, they were, they were. The linemen
Speaker 1: were grateful he wasn't practicing yesterday. Yeah, they they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: day off, thank you. All right. Last one, biggest question
Speaker 1: you've got as they continue camp in preseason, what are
Speaker 1: you still uncertain about the most the kicker? Kicker? Kicker kicker,
Speaker 1: and only because there's no well, I don't think there's
Speaker 1: any alternatives out there. I think they're getting ready to
Speaker 1: have a big workout. But yeah, and that's fine to
Speaker 1: bring them in. But if those guys are out there
Speaker 1: at this point, how good they can be? When the
Speaker 1: Vikings had to use a fifth round, no question to
Speaker 1: trade for one question, because they're still worried about Dan Bailey. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so if you got a trade for one on
Speaker 1: another team, you would rather bring in a free agent? Right? Well,
Speaker 1: Casey Redfern kicked yesterday. We'll see if Brett Mohurt kicks today.
Speaker 1: Redford wins six of six finally, no, no, four of six?
Speaker 1: Ye excuse me, h, Yeah, he's done. Okay, if we
Speaker 1: had to cut the seventy five, he's gone. All right, Well,
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Speaker 1: and we won't know what time zone we're on. Bill,
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. And uh enjoy the preseason game. Thanks for
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