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Speaker 1: Previously on Weedian House.

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Speaker 2: People will like bring their trucks out and they'll rub

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Speaker 2: their engines and like, I probably meet a new person

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Speaker 3: They drove away.

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Speaker 2: You know, they have all of these like things coming

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Speaker 4: After validating someone, circling back to the conversation where I say,

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Speaker 4: at this present moment, these are the tools that we have,

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Speaker 4: and it sounds like what you're saying is your voice

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Speaker 4: is missing. You are missing from this process. You are

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Speaker 4: not seen, you are not heard, and so actually we're

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Speaker 4: saying the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Welcome to Weedian House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. Happy

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Speaker 5: Election Day. Our last episode focused on how unhoused voting matters.

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Speaker 5: Continuing on this theme this week, we'll be talking with

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Speaker 5: returning guests California candidates for judge, George Turner and Erica Wiley.

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Speaker 5: But first on House News. First, an update from last

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Speaker 5: episode's guests Jetti, who we spoke to concerning grants pass

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Speaker 5: consequences in Eugene, Oregon. She has updated us that unhoused

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Speaker 5: people are missing. Since we're left open. Bikes were still there,

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Speaker 5: but people had vanished. A mass sweepest plan to take

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Speaker 5: place soon on a piece of land where forty five

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Speaker 5: to one hundred unhoused people live. At the time of

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Speaker 5: his recording, there was also a mass arrest, but the

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Speaker 5: number of unhoused people rested is not yet known. Our

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Speaker 5: top story this week, California Governor Gavin Newsom awarded eighteen

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Speaker 5: communities with nearly one hundred and thirty one million dollars

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Speaker 5: to clear unhouse encampments. The Encampment Resolution Funding Program is

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Speaker 5: a new program that these funds are coming from. Its

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Speaker 5: goal is to permanently house one thousand, five hundred and

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Speaker 5: sixty four people living in encampments. Communities included in ERF

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Speaker 5: awards were Los Angeles and San Bernardigo, who both received

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Speaker 5: over eleven million dollars, Berkeley, which received over five million,

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Speaker 5: Norwalk was not awarded the Encampment Resolution Funding Program because

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Speaker 5: recently they voted on a ban on creating house of

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Speaker 5: shelters in their city. Our next story also centers around

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Speaker 5: Governor Newsom, who has opened more than two dozen properties

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Speaker 5: to store told RV's A new RV law was signed

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Speaker 5: by the governor to pressure the unhoused to enter car

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Speaker 5: strul shelters. Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass also sponsors this bill,

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Speaker 5: along with Assemblymen Rick Chavez Zabor, who carried the legislation.

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Speaker 5: This legislation gives Los Angeles access to twenty five Caltran

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Speaker 1: And that's on House News.

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Speaker 5: When we come back, we talk about the stakes of

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Speaker 5: this election in a roundtable discussion with George Turner and

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Whedian House.

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Speaker 5: Our two guests today are no stranger to Wedian House,

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Speaker 5: Erica Wiley and George Turner, over who am a running

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Speaker 5: for jet seats in California. If you want to listen

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Speaker 5: to our first talk around the primers earlier this year,

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Speaker 5: you can find our full conversations in the episode The

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Speaker 5: Ballot or Business as Usual. I'm back in February, but

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Speaker 5: as a refresher, here's George Turner.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 6: I I'm George Turner. I'm ready for Los Angeles County

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Speaker 6: Superior Court Judge seat number thirty nine.

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Speaker 5: And thank you for joining us in the studios today. So, George,

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Speaker 5: tell us a little bit about yourself.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 6: I'm born and raised in the city of Inglewood. I

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Speaker 6: went to a public school my whole life. Went to

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Speaker 6: Morningside High School. Then I went on to UCLA major

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Speaker 6: Then I went on to UCLA Law School, where I

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Speaker 6: graduated with the concentration in critical race studies. You know,

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Speaker 6: I'm a bit of a local dude. You know, you

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Speaker 6: happily man married and someone who just revels in my

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Speaker 1: And now here's Erica Wiley.

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Speaker 7: Hi everybody, and thank you so much THEO for having me.

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Speaker 7: I am Erica Wiley and I'm a candidate for Superior

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Speaker 7: Court Judge. I have been a deputy public defender in

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Speaker 7: Los Angeles County since two thousand, but a public defender

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Speaker 7: since nineteen ninety nine. I started in Merced County and

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Speaker 7: this is work that I really love, helping people. Sometimes

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Speaker 7: I'm the only person in the courtroom to be there

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Speaker 7: defending individuals charged with crimes from as minor as traffic

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Speaker 7: the most recent years. So again this has worked is

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Speaker 7: very near and dear to my heart. I started off

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Speaker 7: in my legal career doing eviction defense for the Legal

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Speaker 7: Aid Foundation of Los Angeles. So every job that I

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Speaker 7: have has been on behalf of individuals who didn't have

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Speaker 7: I said, this work working on behalf of people who

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Speaker 7: have no other options is very near and dear to

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Speaker 5: But a lot has happened since the primaries, and I

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Speaker 5: was eager to speak with Erica and Georgia again to

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Speaker 5: discuss how much has changed for the un housed since

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Speaker 5: we last spoke, and how they're feeling about their campaigns.

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Speaker 1: Without for reredo.

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Speaker 5: Here's my discussion with Erica and George. This interview is

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Speaker 5: going to be a little more relaxed. It's not like

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Speaker 5: it's not the inquisition. Everyone has known who you are.

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Speaker 5: You guys took the time to really talk about your platform,

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Speaker 5: but we're going to do have the side of you

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Speaker 5: that's a little bit more merry or more conversation with relating.

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Speaker 5: And I want to welcome you guys, and I wanted

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Speaker 5: to say I am because in so many respects, this

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Speaker 5: election cycle has been a very If there is a

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Speaker 5: would have to be chaotic, becazophrenic, but also invigorating and

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Speaker 5: also revelatory. So hopefully this is going to be not

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Speaker 3: No doubt. I mean.

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Speaker 8: And what I appreciate about your show, and really about

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Speaker 8: both of our campaigns is that we are really focusing

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Speaker 8: on what it is historically being considered low propensity voters, right,

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Speaker 8: So you know, and I don't consider the low propensity voters.

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Speaker 8: I consider them community members. These are folks who laws

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Speaker 8: have a direct deffect on it. And that's kind of

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Speaker 8: the reason why we're running, is because we want to

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Speaker 8: be sort of held accountable by folks who are actually

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Speaker 8: in the community, because we're in the community, like many

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Speaker 8: of the concerns that folks have are the exact same. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: So we're meet people where they are because it's where

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Speaker 1: Absolutely well said.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, that's very true. I actually echo that.

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Speaker 10: I think that, you know, people are interested in our

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Speaker 10: for judge are actually talking about things that affect them

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Speaker 11: So I relished doing that because I think it's long overdue.

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Speaker 5: And it's also I want to point out too, it's like,

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Speaker 5: particularly in the unhoused community, because I had a couple

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Speaker 5: of episodes recent episode about on house voting rights and

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Speaker 5: if we could go turn the clock back maybe five

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Speaker 5: and really did not know what their rights were. But secondly,

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Speaker 5: I know you've probably heard about it, but I wanted

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Speaker 5: to get your viewpoint on it. On the recent Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court ruling of Grant's Pass. And if you don't know

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm familiar with Grant's Pass, and the way that

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Speaker 12: To criminalize homelessness. I mean succinctly, that's the way I

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Speaker 9: I mean I see that.

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Speaker 10: It really just as an extension of what I see

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Speaker 10: including the the police and sweeps and you know, just

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Speaker 11: And I just think that it's it's really unfortunate.

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Speaker 8: You know, for years that particular community of households, they

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Speaker 8: extremely troubling but really speaks to how people contextualize or

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Speaker 8: Responded that, well, you know, with all of these homeless

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Speaker 8: And of course we are hindered by by judicial cannons

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Speaker 3: But you know, I don't I don't see the nexus between.

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Speaker 8: Someone sitting down or walking or enjoying themselves outside and

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Speaker 8: particularly in a place like Los Angeles, how that could

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Speaker 8: reminds me of the sort of old world law about.

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Speaker 3: Loitering right where it was.

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Speaker 8: You know, the term loitering is used to sort of

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Speaker 5: People that had places to stay are now displaced, houseless,

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Speaker 10: Well, you know, I think that that what you're talking

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Speaker 9: Just hoping that that's not the case.

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Speaker 10: I mean, just the devastation of having lost everything you've

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Speaker 9: The ability to to sort.

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Speaker 8: I do worry, you know about the direction we are

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Speaker 8: You know, I'm the head of a small unit that

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Speaker 8: being close to an issue helps you to identify solutions

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Speaker 8: I think it's time to really rethink how we even

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Speaker 8: imagine what it means to be unhoused. You know, when

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Speaker 8: many people think of being unhoused as someone who's made

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Speaker 8: And there are a myriad of examples of people who

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Speaker 8: So you know, when I think about housing, for instance,

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 8: So when I tell when I tell folks, you know

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Speaker 8: If you do the math on that, if you're making

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Speaker 8: I mean you're getting up every day going to work,

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Speaker 8: context that I put it in, I said, when I

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Speaker 8: I would have had to rely, as a whole professional

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Speaker 8: I would have to get another full time job doing

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Speaker 5: It becomes a whole cascade event that you don't conceptualize.

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Speaker 3: And we aren't there yet.

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Speaker 8: So when we when we get to the point where

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Speaker 5: and I don't think people understand It's like, for example,

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Speaker 5: let's say, for example that you are looking for a

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Speaker 5: place to stay and you're not in house, you have

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Speaker 5: some coin in the bank, and reasonably you're going to

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Speaker 5: look for places that you want to stay that meets

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Speaker 5: your budget, meets where the neighborhood that you like to

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Speaker 5: stand your transport to work would be. You know, an

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Speaker 5: issue the community that you want to.

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Speaker 1: Thrive in or live in. You know it plays a part.

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Speaker 5: But for some reason, when we talk about when on

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Speaker 5: house people to get in in housing or get placement,

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Speaker 5: these conversations evaporate. People don't realize human beings. For example,

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Speaker 5: you know, unhoused people with children. So when they're saying,

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Speaker 5: where is it near the school that the kids go to? No,

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Speaker 5: then you know, don't you are a service resistant When

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Speaker 5: you become a house you're devoid of any experiences or

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Speaker 5: any realities, or any kind of joy or any kind

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Speaker 5: of consideration for the same choices that you would make

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Speaker 5: if you were looking for home, or you're looking to

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Speaker 5: place for your children to be able to academically thrive

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Speaker 5: or to stay with, you know, like where kids like

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Speaker 5: to stay with their friends or their friends that they know,

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Speaker 5: or families. It's a reasonable conversation point. But when we

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Speaker 5: have this conversation about unhoused and trying to find places.

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Speaker 5: The reason why it becomes much more tenuous is because

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Speaker 5: of our society and our community that don't want the

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Speaker 5: unhoused community in their neighborhoods, which is the then big

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Speaker 5: question that really would like to tackle any thoughts erkor.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, I think that's absolutely righty.

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Speaker 10: Even when you know, are confronted with people in the

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Speaker 10: community who haven't understanding of the struggles.

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Speaker 11: Of houseless people and what they're going through.

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Speaker 10: They still don't want them anywhere near where they are, right,

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Speaker 10: I don't want to drive past you on the way

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Speaker 10: out of my community or or you know, at my

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Speaker 10: local store. So it really is a struggle for people

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Speaker 10: to really make an impact in the lives of people

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Speaker 10: and put aside their personal you know, discomfort with seeing

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Speaker 10: people homeless in the community to really try to make

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Speaker 10: a change.

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Speaker 9: And it's interesting, I mean what you were talking.

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Speaker 11: About, I see that. I mean, I definitely see.

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Speaker 10: That when there are people, well meaning people in the

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Speaker 10: community who want to help our houseless neighbors, that there's

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Speaker 10: this idea of just take what we're giving you, just

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Speaker 10: take it right, because you have nothing.

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Speaker 9: You should be happy to take this.

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Speaker 10: But when you look logistically at things like the things

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Speaker 10: that you talked about, how is my kid going to

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Speaker 10: get to school? If you want to, you know, give

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Speaker 10: me a place to stay in the valley and my

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Speaker 10: kids go to school in Pasadena or South central LA.

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Speaker 11: It means to uplift my entire life to be able to.

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Speaker 9: Accept this, you know, supposed gift that you're giving me

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Speaker 9: of a home.

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Speaker 10: And I think that that there does need to be

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Speaker 10: a more pointed and deliberate assistance to people in our

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Speaker 10: in our communities as opposed to, you know, feeling like

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Speaker 10: they should just be happy to take what it is

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Speaker 10: that they're given.

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Speaker 5: And also you mentioned something very point too as an

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Speaker 5: educator dealing with the conversation, and point we forget children

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Speaker 5: need stability because imagine if they are in the valley

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Speaker 5: and they have to go all the way to Pasadena.

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Speaker 5: I remember I hated it when my mother used to

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Speaker 5: wake me up and to get up to school early.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I was very creative in trying

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Speaker 5: to get those extra five minutes. Now, let's be realistic

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Speaker 5: being out and having kids that are kids, you know,

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Speaker 5: having them that that means they will have to be

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Speaker 5: up at two or three in the morning where there

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Speaker 5: are no transportation as available, but they have to be

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Speaker 5: in a position to be at school at a certain time.

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Speaker 5: And then let's you know, as you know how the

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Speaker 5: teachers and the administration if the kids is not on

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Speaker 5: time or losing studies or not keeping up, that plays

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Speaker 5: a part into the academic success as well.

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Speaker 1: So these things that when you hear them talk about,

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Speaker 1: which really.

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Speaker 5: Cooks my grits, is what my remos used to say,

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Speaker 5: is that when you hear people talk about unhouse people

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Speaker 5: near children or near schools, they're unhoused family members that

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Speaker 5: are nearby, not because it's the cool thing to do.

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Speaker 5: It's because the kids go to school there. You know,

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Speaker 5: they love their kids just like house people do. And

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Speaker 5: the thing, it's like a concept that's very difficult for

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Speaker 5: some community members to really wrap their head around.

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Speaker 8: You know, It's interesting because ultimately what we're talking about

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Speaker 8: is agency for the people who are unhoused, you know,

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Speaker 8: being able to see someone as a whole human being

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Speaker 8: through their story and their experience, and not some outside

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Speaker 8: person who doesn't know or can't relate to the experience.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, I think that that.

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Speaker 8: Comes with an overarching concept of what community is is

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Speaker 8: being able to see the people in your community as

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Speaker 8: human beings.

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Speaker 3: Community is more than a space or a place.

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Speaker 8: It is the collection of humans trying to work to

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Speaker 8: self actualize itself. And you know, the goal, the goal

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Speaker 8: in my court is should have become a judge, and

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Speaker 8: really the goal of all courts, and my humble opinion

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Speaker 8: should be to make you know, the party that come

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Speaker 8: before the court heard and maybe the opportunity for them

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Speaker 8: to become a whole or the closest to the hole

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Speaker 8: that they can become.

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Speaker 3: And we kind of get away from that too often.

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Speaker 8: It becomes a place where people set their fears right

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Speaker 8: and you know, you go there and you let your

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Speaker 8: fears run wide, or you know, you let logic escape you,

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Speaker 8: you let practice the practicalness of a situation escape you

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Speaker 8: because of the building or because of the circumstances. And

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Speaker 8: I think that it is important to have folks, all

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Speaker 8: folks voices be heard truly and three dimensionally heard, because

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Speaker 8: I do believe, like I said, having conversations like this

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Speaker 8: and having conversations with folks who are unhoused.

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Speaker 3: We get the solutions.

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Speaker 8: I mean, hearing your story or hearing the story of

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Speaker 8: unhoused children in Los Angeles County.

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Speaker 3: You can begin to create the solutions in.

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Speaker 8: Your head right then and there. But if you think that,

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Speaker 8: you know, oh well, the answer is that you just

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Speaker 8: got to get these people, these people a home any

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Speaker 8: place in Los Angeles County, you realize how how short

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Speaker 8: that is of a solution, if it is if it

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Speaker 8: even amounts to an actual So it doesn't really amount

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Speaker 8: to an actual solution. It just kind of it's kind

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Speaker 8: of just a response. So I'm happy to have the

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Speaker 8: sort of conversation that that that, you know, it's kind

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Speaker 8: of my passion.

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Speaker 5: So I wanted to ask, where do you see you're

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Speaker 5: a judgeship point, how do you feel about the campaign

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Speaker 5: so far?

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Speaker 9: I feel really good about mine and George's.

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Speaker 10: You know, obviously we're we're campaigning out here together, and

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Speaker 10: I have just been really surprised to see the number

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Speaker 10: of people who are here that we're public defenders and

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Speaker 10: are excited about that. Right understand the difference first of

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Speaker 10: all between what a DA does and what a public

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Speaker 10: defender does and sees. You know that our perspective and

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Speaker 10: our work is something that would be a welcome change

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Speaker 10: on the bench, you know, working with the many organizations

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Speaker 10: and clubs and associations that have endorsed us and are

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Speaker 10: welcoming of our message and our desire to apply the

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Speaker 10: knowledge that we have about you know, the need to

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Speaker 10: get at the underlying causes of crime as opposed to

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Speaker 10: just locking everybody up. You know, that's really been welcomed

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Speaker 10: in a great many spaces with open arms. So I am,

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Speaker 10: you know, cautiously optimistic about the the outcome in both

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Speaker 10: of our races. And I can say for myself that

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Speaker 10: I think it's been going really well and at the

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Speaker 10: support that we've gotten from Law of Defense is immeasurable

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Speaker 10: and something that I think is going to result in

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Speaker 10: an amazing outcome for both of us.

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Speaker 8: I am also cautiously optimistic. To be honest with you,

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Speaker 8: I am very humble and grateful. You know, I've been

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Speaker 8: a public defender of my entire career. I chose this

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Speaker 8: profession not because I thought that they would make me

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Speaker 8: popular or cool.

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Speaker 3: I did the work because as I knew the work

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Speaker 3: needed to be done.

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Speaker 8: And you know, we've all heard discussions about what public

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Speaker 8: defenders are and how they act and their quality of work,

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Speaker 8: and so to sort of go out and hear folks

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Speaker 8: be excited that you're a public defender and being able

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Speaker 8: to tie the work that you do as a public

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Speaker 8: defender in a steem position like a judge is it's

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Speaker 8: really really humbling, and that I think that humbleness and

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Speaker 8: gratefulness is something that's kind of motivated me to put

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Speaker 8: in the work that I've been putting in because it

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Speaker 8: is it is no doubt tiring, you know, being a

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Speaker 8: full working, full time and having a family and campaigning.

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Speaker 8: That's three full time jobs and only twenty four hours

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Speaker 8: a day. So but you know when I when I

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Speaker 8: get tired, or you know when I'm when I'm trying

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Speaker 8: to put together my schedule for the for the next

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Speaker 8: couple of days or the last few months, you know,

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Speaker 8: I just I'm really humbled at literally the opportunity. And

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Speaker 8: I will say I think part of the reason why

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Speaker 8: I am cautiously optimistic is that I know that I

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Speaker 8: didn't have to turn into a different person to become

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Speaker 8: a politician, right.

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Speaker 3: I didn't have to tell.

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Speaker 8: Someone else's story or lie about my experiences on the

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Speaker 8: campaign trail, and I was, you know, surrounded and supported

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Speaker 8: by people who were actually supported by story, and was

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Speaker 8: that was intul with my moral compass, and you know

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Speaker 8: that that's the thing that he can be going that

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Speaker 8: if it was anything else to tell there were a

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Speaker 8: lot of opportunities to say, you know, not not today,

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Speaker 8: not tonight, I'm not going, or you know, just to

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Speaker 8: oparticipation all together.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna keep going, and.

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Speaker 8: Regardless of the outcome, I can say that I'm proud

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Speaker 8: of the race that I ran. But I hope that

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Speaker 8: that we can take this message to the bench and

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Speaker 8: actually have some substantive results for the folks who supported

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Speaker 8: the campaign.

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Speaker 1: We'll finish this conversation after the break and we're back.

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Speaker 5: I find it interesting that people are so receptive for

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Speaker 5: now getting away with law and order. And I do

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Speaker 5: notice that, for example, one of the elections of George

639
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Speaker 5: Gascon there is this propensity or this back draft that

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Speaker 5: they are trying to recreate that because I also noticed

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Speaker 5: as a society, in some respects we are trying to

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Speaker 5: move away from that that conversation because I remember growing

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Speaker 5: up hearing everyone heard about the Willie Horton and the

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Speaker 5: back draft of that and the backlash of that, and

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Speaker 5: how anytime there was any kind of conversation of empathy

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Speaker 5: or looking at the whole person. It was meant immediately

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Speaker 5: and with the swiftness you're soft on crime or you

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Speaker 5: just want criminals to just run amok. And it definitely

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Speaker 5: squashed a lot of substantive conversation. And so now that

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Speaker 5: this is going on, now that you know, I'm an

651
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Speaker 5: older person now and also have the platform I have

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Speaker 5: really pushing for houselessness and empathy and to show the

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Speaker 5: houselessness in its whole entirety instead of it being siloed

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Speaker 5: into you know, substance usage or mental health. And like

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Speaker 5: I said, you know, there are myriads of well seasoned,

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Speaker 5: educated on people that are unhoused. There's an uptick, and

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Speaker 5: women that are being on housed, there's an uptick with elderly,

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Speaker 5: and we definitely overshadow of the unhoused children that are

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Speaker 5: in the school systems that are displaced and unhoused. But

660
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Speaker 5: also we are needing to keep a watchful eye on

661
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,919
Speaker 5: the new aspects of houselessness dealing with disasters and displacement

662
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 5: like i e.

663
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Speaker 1: Florida disasters.

664
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Speaker 5: And how are we going to turn back or beat

665
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:58,360
Speaker 5: back those criminal, punitive, criminal ideas about houselessness and criminalized.

666
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 5: So while all of this is going on with the

667
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 5: backdrop of the election cycle, I do think, you know,

668
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 5: keeping an eye on these kind of actions and behaviors

669
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 5: that's going on is paramount.

670
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Speaker 1: It is very important for us to do that.

671
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 10: I agree.

672
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 9: I think that we need to definitely in this community.

673
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 10: Not create or continue to create a community you know,

674
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 10: disposable people. Right as long as we don't see them

675
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 10: or they're not around our area, then their needs obviously

676
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 10: have been met and they're not significant.

677
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 9: But you know, I agree.

678
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 10: I think after this election cycle, where you know, these

679
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 10: conversations sort of take center stage because people are trying

680
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 10: to achieve a certain result, that there really needs to

681
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 10: be a continued effort to you know, assist those in

682
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 10: our community, you know, and the heartbreaking and devastating consequences

683
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 10: that result from show run in this situation, that we

684
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 10: need to continue to make sure to the best of

685
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 10: our ability and from from the positions where we are.

686
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 9: That we're not being a part of the problem.

687
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 10: And and that's why one of the reasons why I'd

688
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 10: like to expand the work that I'm doing on behalf

689
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 10: of individuals to the bench because it's just so often

690
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 10: that I'm that I encounter a bench officer who just

691
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 10: really you know, I hesitate to say doesn't care because

692
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 10: I don't think that that's that's the case, but just

693
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 10: really doesn't have the full understanding of how those decisions

694
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 10: or the decisions that judge is making as a.

695
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 9: Bench officer impacts people.

696
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 10: I'll just given us as an example of you know,

697
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 10: often we have cases where there's an issue of domestic

698
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 10: violence and so immediately the perpetrator of that man or woman.

699
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,400
Speaker 10: Most of the time it's it's a it's a man

700
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,600
Speaker 10: that's accused is met with a restraining order. You can't

701
00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 10: go home, you can't live in the house with your

702
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 10: wife and your children. And even when there is a

703
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 10: request from the family, from the mother of the children,

704
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 10: the children, you know, our father has you know, gone

705
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 10: into counseling, has you know, dealt with their maybe substance

706
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 10: use alcoholism, is getting help for that, and we want

707
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 10: this person to be.

708
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 9: Able to have contact with us to come home.

709
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 10: You know, bench officers, in a very paternalistic way often

710
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 10: say this is not something that I'm going to allow.

711
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 9: And I know that things are taken on a case

712
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 9: by case basis.

713
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,439
Speaker 10: But there's some bench officers who have a blanket rule

714
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 10: that user can't be here, and I've seen those situations

715
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 10: really deteriorate. And even when I bring to the mind

716
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,880
Speaker 10: of the judge, listen, this person who you are not

717
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 10: allowing to come to the house is the main breadwinner

718
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 10: for this house, right He's the person working and paying

719
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 10: the rent. And so now the circumstance of being homeless

720
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 10: threatens the entire family and the judges, you know, following

721
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 10: this rule, this bright line rule, in every case that

722
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 10: we will not allow these people to have contact or

723
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 10: this person to position himself so that he can support

724
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,400
Speaker 10: his family and have a place to stay. And I

725
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 10: think that, you know, it's very important that people with

726
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 10: backgrounds like George and I, who've seen this happen from

727
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 10: the inside out and how it destroys families, you know,

728
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 10: take the position of being able to do something about it,

729
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 10: being able to say, I see you, I see that

730
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 10: there are other alternatives. This is what we can do

731
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 10: instead of me following this bright line rule that doesn't

732
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 10: recognize your individual human circumstances. And I think that that's

733
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,479
Speaker 10: what's important about people of different backgrounds getting on the bench.

734
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: You know, it's one of those things they used to

735
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 3: say when I was in school.

736
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Speaker 8: It's like the definition of insanity is doing the exact

737
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 8: same thing and expecting a different result, right, And so

738
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 8: I think that it is very important that we are

739
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 8: aware of the steps that have already been taken and

740
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 8: that have failed miserably. An assessment for things that, like

741
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 8: the steps that we've already taken in public safety, that

742
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 8: it failed in the past. Right, So We've tried to

743
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 8: criminalize a drug addiction. It didn't work, right, it led

744
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 8: to massive incarceration.

745
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 3: You know. We've tried to criminalize houselessness.

746
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 8: It failed miserably, and it caused an increase in houselessness

747
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 8: and didn't address it didn't lead it to the end

748
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 8: of hous it.

749
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:41,160
Speaker 3: Led to more massive incarceration. So these are things that

750
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 3: we tried, right.

751
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 8: It's not like this is something new, right, And it's

752
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 8: not even something that happened a long time ago. We're

753
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:54,439
Speaker 8: talking about things that happened literally five to seven years ago.

754
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 8: And I just can't believe that our collective consciousness is

755
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 8: that short, that short of an attention span.

756
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: You know.

757
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 8: It's funny because when I talk to the college students like,

758
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 8: I can understand why they wouldn't know something that happened

759
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 8: in the eighties and the nineties and early two thousands

760
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 8: because they weren't born. But to talk to someone my

761
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 8: age or even a little younger and they're like, oh,

762
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 8: what are you talking about. Yes, we tried to criminalize

763
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 8: these sort of things. It failed miserably. So then my

764
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 8: idea of not criminalizing and addressing the issues isn't just

765
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:33,720
Speaker 8: morally right. I'm talking pragmatically. You have to do something different,

766
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 8: you have to try another way. And I think that

767
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 8: that's one of the messages that really really resonated the

768
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 8: campaign trail is that, you know, our ideas seem much

769
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 8: more logical when taking in the context of the world, right,

770
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 8: you know, addressing houselessness in this way, considering the fact

771
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 8: that climate change is becoming real, so natural disasters are

772
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 8: going to become more prevalent, considering the fact that the

773
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 8: cost of living is is skyrock anticuing the skyrock old

774
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 8: story of the of the person making poor decisions end

775
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 8: up in and up of house is it makes less

776
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 8: and less sense when you consider the context. And so

777
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 8: you need to have people who are decision makers who

778
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 8: have already sort of experience and have direct experience in

779
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 8: this situation to be ready to make decisions.

780
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,919
Speaker 5: Two things that really needs to be talked about more,

781
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 5: and I do try to do my best to do

782
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 5: it is the unhoused children. But the second thing is

783
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 5: that which I find I used to have a lot

784
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 5: of heartache and hard times with, is the elderly population

785
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 5: that believed that all you needed to do was work,

786
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 5: save your money, and everything was going to work out.

787
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 5: There's a high elderly population that's here on the streets now.

788
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 5: We cannot deny no matter how much you did your

789
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 5: job and how much you worked, you know, thirty or

790
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: forty years, you are not going to get that go

791
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 5: watch and the cost of living is so ridiculous that

792
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 5: you're now out on the street and you have to

793
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 5: face reality. It has nothing to do with your personal achievement.

794
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 5: It is how things are being set up. And the

795
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 5: reality is that, you know, we need to really have

796
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 5: a hard to heart conversation on how can we stop

797
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 5: this before it gets to that we see all most

798
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 5: of our grandparents out here on the streets or parents,

799
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: and you know, you can't just say, you know, you

800
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,600
Speaker 5: need to go get a job, because seventy eighty years old,

801
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 5: you know, or it's the minimal which we're seeing they

802
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 5: can get a job, or then you know they're in

803
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 5: various stages of health decline. You know, that's just not

804
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 5: going to be a very coaching argument to keep saying.

805
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 5: You know, these people just made, you know, bad choices.

806
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 5: Idreen had when I was speaking in one community and

807
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 5: one community member was talking about these were.

808
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: The elderly people that were on drugs, and ISA like, okay,

809
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: now you got to stop, which it was so yeah.

810
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 5: I was like, these seventy eighty year old conservative people,

811
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: now all of them were on drugged out and they

812
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 5: out here on the street. That don't make any sense.

813
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 5: But it's like it showed me how pernicious this propaganda is.

814
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 5: They cannot they couldn't even they couldn't even divorce that

815
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 5: these people, you know, were not, you know, doing something bad,

816
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 5: but they had to stick to that because it makes

817
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 5: sense to them because that's what they were told.

818
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 1: But it was so ridiculous.

819
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 5: I was really Grandma was out here toting up and

820
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 5: and and that's why she's out on the street.

821
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: Okay, well all right, you should have responded.

822
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 9: That, you know, that they're gone on drugs. They're on

823
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 9: social security, right.

824
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you.

825
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 3: To paying the right.

826
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 5: Right choice between their medication and this exploding writ that

827
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 5: I don't know what drug is going to be able

828
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 5: to stop that.

829
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:05,439
Speaker 3: But you know they're not they're not on drugs there.

830
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe they are.

831
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 8: They're on their medication, right, their medication, but.

832
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 5: Not not quite a well, well, they may not even

833
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 5: be on their medication because you know the cause how

834
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 5: much expensive it is. But oh yeah, so that it's

835
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 5: a pernicious kind of propaganda that people just do not

836
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 5: or that they're saying that, you know, which again that

837
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 5: broad swath like the majority of unhoused people are mentally ill.

838
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, that's that's that's not true either because

839
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 5: like you know, like I said, we being on house

840
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 5: is not a monolith. But I think people are afraid

841
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 5: in some respects to really break it down because they're

842
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 5: going to find themselves in the conversation, they're going to

843
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 5: find themselves maybe at risk of being housed absolutely, and

844
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 5: when they know that, it's disconcerting and it also breaks

845
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,280
Speaker 5: that idea of them being deserving of services or deserving

846
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 5: to be treated a certain way. As what they have

847
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,919
Speaker 5: been conditioned to believe that they have the worthy poor

848
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 5: or if they had the worthy people to be helped,

849
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 5: and these other people just missed out because of poor decisions.

850
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,320
Speaker 10: Absolutely, And like I said, it's really important to be

851
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 10: a person who is seeing these things happen in your

852
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 10: life to be able to have the correct perspective to

853
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 10: make good decisions to positively impact people. I mean, I

854
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 10: have to say from my mom, who's you know, going

855
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 10: to be seventy eight years old, whose income is a

856
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 10: small income from her pension as a teacher and social security,

857
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 10: that I can say, and just handling her her business

858
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 10: and assisting her as her daughter. She didn't have the

859
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:46,320
Speaker 10: assistance of my brothers. And you know, financially, you know,

860
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 10: someone who's worked her entire life would really be struggling,

861
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 10: struggling seriously to make ends.

862
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 9: Meet, would have very very little at the end of

863
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 9: the month.

864
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 10: And if anything happened like what you talked about THEO

865
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 10: and suffering a medical emergency over any period of time,

866
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 10: than everything that you built with problem without support. So

867
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 10: I think, like you said, you know, it hits too

868
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 10: close to home for people to admit that the society

869
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 10: that we live in, especially here in LA has made

870
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 10: things so dire in terms of us living paycheck to

871
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 10: paycheck that you know, the loss of even some small

872
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 10: part of your stability can can crumble your.

873
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: Whole world absolutely at well poot, Yeah, you know.

874
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 8: One of the things that is discussed is is the

875
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 8: cost literally the talks of living for folks who are

876
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 8: who are elderly. We're talking about in some cases one

877
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Speaker 8: hundred maybe two hundred thousand dollars a year for a

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Speaker 8: one bedroom with very minimal services. And even if you've

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Speaker 8: been quote unquote responsible and worked for your entire life

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Speaker 8: and you know, worked until you earn a retirement, people

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Speaker 8: are living longer and you know, the money that they

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Speaker 8: have planned to live on in their retirement is has

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Speaker 8: run out. And there is a significant portion of people

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Speaker 8: who are running into that situation. And it's not about

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Speaker 8: individual choices, or if it is about individual choices, the

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Speaker 8: individual choice that you have to see someone in that

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Speaker 8: situation and sort of blame them, right, So we all

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Speaker 8: have choices, right, So if a person can say it's

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Speaker 8: their individual choice to be on how, you could also

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Speaker 8: say it's your indivision individual choice to see someone on

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Speaker 8: how and not provide support. Right, So, you know, it's interesting,

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Speaker 8: it's interesting, you know the perspective that we have, and

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Speaker 8: it really is about changing parts of minds through discussion,

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Speaker 8: through storytelling, through the experience of actual people on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Because you know those old stories, you know, they may

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Speaker 3: have worked.

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Speaker 8: In another generation and another place at another time, but

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Speaker 8: in twenty twenty four, they just they just don't apply.

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Speaker 8: They simply don't apply. Yes, it's just that they simply

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Speaker 8: don't apply. It's like someone telling you a story that

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Speaker 8: may have been applicable at another time.

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Speaker 3: It's space, but it's it's just defferent.

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Speaker 5: And even if that's the case, because I was looking

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Speaker 5: back on how the destitute were dealing with the effects

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Speaker 5: of the depression, and it was like their solution was

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Speaker 5: everyone needed a job. And then you know, there was

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Speaker 5: very little conversation about the depressive side of it, the

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Speaker 5: issues with families, and you know, all of those conversations

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Speaker 5: were just siloed or packaged in a way that the

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Speaker 5: reason why everyone was out in the street was yes,

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Speaker 5: it was due to the economic downturn, but there were

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Speaker 5: also other extenuating circumstances with people. Know, we are dealing

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Speaker 5: with a myriad of things going on from exploding rents,

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Speaker 5: stagnant wages like you said, climate climate change, and as

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Speaker 5: well as environmental upheavals in many respects from societal you know,

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Speaker 5: there's conflicts overseas that are displacing people in Sedan, and

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Speaker 5: there's conflicts that are displacing people within the congo. I

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Speaker 5: mean it's displacement. It seems like it's going to be

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Speaker 5: a conversation or buzzwork for many years to come moving forward.

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Speaker 1: That I noticed, which I bring up the question too.

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Speaker 5: If I'm at I'm going to imagine that I am

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Speaker 5: at the ballot box and this question is it hinges

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Speaker 5: mister Turner on your response to this question, Batman or

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Speaker 5: I wanted to thank you guys, and I don't want

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Speaker 5: to keep you too long, but I want to thank you.

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Speaker 5: Miss Wiley. Is there anything that you would like to say,

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Speaker 5: any of you guys want to lead any parting thoughts,

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Speaker 5: please let me know.

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Speaker 12: Well.

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Speaker 10: I would just say that it's important to research your

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Speaker 10: candidates in every race and to not ignore us at

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Speaker 10: the bottom of your ballot, because you're more likely to

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Speaker 10: run into a judge than you are your congressman and

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Speaker 10: certainly your president. And it's important to have people with

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Speaker 10: real lived experience making decisions that affect our community.

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Speaker 9: So do your research and vote for me.

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Speaker 1: Definitely, very well, put mister Turner anything else.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely. I want to say that they are a variety

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Speaker 8: of different ways to vote. You know, growing up, I

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Speaker 8: thought that you had to wait until November fifth, But

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Speaker 8: if you got access to your ballot via male, you

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Speaker 8: can fill it out and drop it off at a

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Speaker 8: variety of different polling places. I'm going to drop mine

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Speaker 8: off today right in front of the park where my

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Speaker 8: kids are going to be playing. So fill out your

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Speaker 8: ballot box. Definitely vote for George Turner seat number thirty

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Speaker 8: nine and Erica Whitey's seat number forty eight. Your ballot

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Speaker 8: will be counted. And thanks for the opportunity to have

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Speaker 8: this conversation. Maybe we can have a longer discussion about

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Speaker 8: Marvel versus d C, of course, and you know I

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Speaker 8: want I want to continue the discussion about our issues

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Speaker 8: around our other house neighbors.

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Speaker 3: So thank you for the chance, man, Thank you.

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Speaker 5: Very much again for coming out on your business schedules

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Speaker 5: to talk with us so much talking to thank you

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Speaker 5: so much to George and Erica for that time. You

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Speaker 5: can learn more about their campaigns and policies at George

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Speaker 5: Turner for Judge dot com and wileyfo Judge dot com.

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Speaker 5: We will include links in the description and thank you

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Speaker 5: for joining us. Remember that unhoused voting matters and we

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Speaker 5: will see you at the ballot box. And as always,

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Speaker 5: please like and subscribe, and if you'd like to share

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