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You're probably right, Okay, 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.520 meat product noted anyway, Today we're gonna talk about a 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.480 disappearance of Ronald Tammon. It was suggested by Lily on 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:46.759 Facebook a really long time ago. I believe this disappearance 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:49.880 that we're gonna talk about takes place in nineteen fifty three. 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:55.920 He Ronald Tamon Jr. Disappeared from his dorm in Oxford, Ohio, 0:01:56.080 --> 0:02:00.320 at the Miami University. Because apparently I have a for 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:04.160 students who disappear in Ohio. As long as you do. 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:05.880 But as long as we get to school right this time, 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:07.480 I think we're okay, we can just we can do 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:11.200 another one. This one Miami University for sure. Sweet yeah, 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.960 because it's in Ohio not Miami, which is just not 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.880 confusing at all. I was a little confused by that 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:20.480 at first. I didn't, you know, because I was thinking, Okay, Miami, Florida, 0:02:20.680 --> 0:02:22.680 you know, and they started talking about them like the 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:26.360 Midwest and stuff, and I know, what's what? Yeah, yeah, No, 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.920 it's Ohio. Yeah. So Ronald Henry Tammon Jr. Is the 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.240 full name of the gentleman that disappeared. He was nineteen 0:02:34.360 --> 0:02:38.520 on April nineteen, nineteen fifty three. He was a sophomore 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:42.200 at Miami University. He was a resident advisor, a member 0:02:42.240 --> 0:02:45.160 of the Navy r OTC. He was a frat member 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:53.480 Reserve Army Training Corpses. Believe it's what you're right. That 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.360 would have been our a TC so um. He was 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.760 a member of a fraternity back when that meant something. 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.120 It isn't just you know, drunken antics. I'm really excitedful 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:05.640 the emails we're going to get about that one. He 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:09.320 was a varse city wrestler, He was a bassist, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:11.240 He was I mean, he was really like an all 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.880 American boy who he kind of just seemed to say 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.600 yes to every opportunity that came along for him. He 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:20.120 was very involved. He was very stereotypical of the time. 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:24.960 He was seventy five pounds, dark hair, light eyes, brown hair, 0:03:25.360 --> 0:03:28.680 dark brown hair, light eyes, like really just like the 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:32.760 all American nondescript. You know, you you picture the college 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.320 boy in the nineteen fifties, and that's him. Yeah. Some 0:03:36.440 --> 0:03:39.880 days before the nineteenth it's reported. We're just gonna go 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.000 chronologically here, I tell you, because I already told you. 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:46.280 He disappeared from his dorm room. That's the mystery. This 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:48.520 is an easy way to appeach It makes it actually 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:51.360 easy to follow. Yeah, I think so. Actually, I think 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:52.680 it's a little easier than a lot of the ways 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.000 that they report it. You mean, where they report half 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.040 and half and then the other half. Yeah, and then 0:03:57.120 --> 0:03:59.520 there's like twelve paragraphs in between about who knows what. 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:03.200 It's almost like I was reading what was it Esquire, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.440 an online Esquire article today, and I started skipping entire 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:11.720 paragraphs because it was just like, bounce around filler content. Oh, 0:04:11.920 --> 0:04:15.760 you just make a living, make so this is really nice. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:19.200 And actually one of the articles that Devon linked to 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:22.480 in this one, I skipped a bunch of paragraphs because 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.240 they were describing a prompt photo. Yes, I did that, 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.200 and then I read a sentence. I skipped about five 0:04:27.200 --> 0:04:29.960 more paragraphs. I got through that one really fast. Actually, really, 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.039 that article was really really interesting for me. But I 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.839 agree there was some filler and not a lot of information. Yeah, 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.520 well there was some. There was interesting information, not not 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:44.159 killer information, but good backfill. Yeah. It was interesting for 0:04:44.360 --> 0:04:50.479 understanding Ron, not so much the case anyway. Cool. Some 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.520 days before the nineteenth it's reported that Ron went to 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:56.520 get his blood type tested. Now he paid for this 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.400 procedure off campus when it sounds like it was a 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:03.599 free p future on campus, And can I ask how 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.800 do I know? I'm going to ask this for a 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:07.720 lot of this because a lot of things in this case. 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:12.000 You're just stated, is it just a generally accepted fact 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.520 that that was free or do we know that it 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.200 was free? Okay, it is reported that it was free, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.600 and we also know that he did go off and 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:23.600 did pay for it because the corner did the testing, right. 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.680 I knew about the I knew about the actual test. 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.760 It was the free portion that I could never really pin. Yeah, 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.480 it was part of it was part of student health services. Plus, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.560 you can also go to the Red Cross and donate 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:36.560 blood and they'll type people out for free to even 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.720 at that day and age the Red crosses around wasn't 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:42.640 it was, but actually one of the you you often 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:46.479 had to get your blood typed first before you could 0:05:46.600 --> 0:05:49.280 go donate it in those days. That was one of 0:05:49.320 --> 0:05:51.839 the reasons that people suggested he might have gotten his 0:05:51.880 --> 0:05:55.880 blood typed. But it doesn't necessarily explain why he would 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.680 have gone and paid for it because it was twenty 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:00.640 dollars to have the corner do it versus free and 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:03.200 twenty back in fifty three was kind of a lot 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:05.839 of money and there it wasn't like Boogo bucks, but 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.120 it was, you know not Yeah, it's not something that 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:12.720 a normal college kid would be like, oh yeah, I 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:16.119 can throw that away on this thing over a hundred 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:19.760 bucks today. You know, I'm sorry I interrupted you. Where 0:06:20.000 --> 0:06:23.040 so he went and got his blood type off campus? Yeah, So, 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:25.039 like I said, a lot of people find this to 0:06:25.080 --> 0:06:28.040 be kind of suspicious, like he was planning something, and 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.640 to be totally honest with you, it does confuse me 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.400 the motives behind, you know, going to spend you know 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.080 what is essentially more than a hundred dollars on something 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:38.279 that you could get done for free. But we'll dig 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.480 into that a little more when we start talking about theories. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.039 It's just something that you should know about. Background wise, 0:06:43.400 --> 0:06:48.160 nineteenth of April in Ohio was reportedly very cold outside, 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.599 like record setting cold in Columbus, which is only seventy 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.880 eighty miles away from Miami, Ohio. In fact, the coldest 0:06:56.000 --> 0:07:01.039 April nineteenth on record is nineteen fifty three. This same year, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.680 it was I think it was nineteen degrees outside fahrenheit 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.760 or something like that. It was frigid. Whether people live 0:07:10.880 --> 0:07:14.280 there and well it does, it's not usually that's that's record. 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:17.720 Usually it's kind of you know, in the sixties seven. No, 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.080 it's usually a nice like it's kind of like it 0:07:20.120 --> 0:07:26.640 is in Portland Sea. But this was this was extremely abnormal, 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:28.840 which is why we even bring it up because he 0:07:28.880 --> 0:07:31.960 did go disappearing on a night that go disappearing, did 0:07:32.200 --> 0:07:35.440 disappear on a night where it was abnormally cold. It 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:38.760 wasn't like an you wouldn't be inclined to go out 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.280 in that kind of weather exactly, especially in his state. 0:07:41.360 --> 0:07:43.760 Got it. So, as far as we know, this is 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:47.600 how things went. At about eight p m. On April nineteenth, 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.480 Ron called the house mom, which is a bit tricky 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.200 for me because he was r a in a dorm 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:56.960 and usually I associate house moms with like fraternities and sororities. 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:01.760 But I guess that was the thing that existed back then. Now, yeah, 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:04.560 I know, now it's like, well, I think the differences 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.440 and it was kind of a even though you were 0:08:07.480 --> 0:08:10.000 a young adult, you were not smart enough to take 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.400 care of yourself, and therefore there had to be a 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.760 woman around help you take care of those things that 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:16.680 you couldn't figure out how to do, because it's the 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:21.520 fifties mentality. I'm not here, but well, also in those days, uh, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.800 you know, colleges were expected to look after you and 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.480 not just physically but also your more morally speaking to 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.880 there were adults living in the dorms to make sure 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:36.040 that nobody was like boozing it up, having sex, etcetera, etcetera. Panky, yeah, 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.840 especially the hacky panky part. Yeah. Yeah, hanky panky was 0:08:40.000 --> 0:08:43.480 the biggest offense. The sex and the booze were bad, 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.280 but the hanky panky terrible. And I can totally I 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.959 can totally see too the same thing adult supervision. You'd 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.800 have the house mother there to doll out the sheets 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.599 in the pillow cases so that you know, all the 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:56.880 kids don't take them and like gonna make you ghost 0:08:56.960 --> 0:09:01.120 costumes out of them or banner tellt Yeah, yeah, well, 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:04.080 when I mean when I went to college not so 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.800 long ago, two years ago, you provided your own you 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:10.160 could ride your own sheets. So this is totally different 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.600 to me, but I understand it was a totally different era. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.160 So there was a there was a house mom. The 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:19.200 reason that Ron called the house mom. In fact, was 0:09:19.559 --> 0:09:21.760 because his sheets were soiled and he needed a new 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.200 set of sheets. Soiled as sheets? Did he? Yeah? Why 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.959 were they soiled? And you may ask, apparently there was 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.480 a dead fish in his bed when he got back 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.320 to his dorm room. Oh you see, it's a dead fish. 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:37.640 You see, I'm going to that's that's that's what it was, right, Yeah, 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.000 it was actually, Okay, there was actually dead fish. I 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.920 don't I don't think it was. Actually No, I just 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:43.520 made all of the blather that I just did. I 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:46.600 don't make a bad accent. Yeah, okay, let's put this 0:09:46.640 --> 0:09:48.120 on hold while I got to read it and started 0:09:48.120 --> 0:09:50.000 read it throat And how did the fish get there? Yeah, 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.439 let's say any theories we get. Yeah, so, actually at 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:55.040 eight thirty, it took about a half hour for his 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:58.720 new sheets to arrive. It sounds like he somehow cleans 0:09:58.800 --> 0:10:00.319 up after the dead fish. I don't know if he 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.400 sends the soiled fishy mess with the house mom. I 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.600 don't know whose responsibility it was to clean up after 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:08.760 suffer life. I doubt that he would hand her the 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.120 dead fish. I bet he disposed of that himself. He 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:13.079 sounds like a nice boy. Well, I would also say 0:10:13.120 --> 0:10:16.360 that where wherever the new sheets were picked up from 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:19.440 her delivered by would also be where the smelly fishy 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.880 sheets would have been left at or handed over to. Well, 0:10:22.880 --> 0:10:26.040 but the the house mom broth the sheets to him, 0:10:26.040 --> 0:10:29.200 which means I would guess he gave her his his 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:32.440 soiled to the laundry. Yeah. I mean, that's the only 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:34.040 way it makes sense. It's not like he's just gonna 0:10:34.320 --> 0:10:36.680 hang him up in his room to air drive. And 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.760 he probably had already moved the dead fish into somebody 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.480 else's bed yeah, yeah, or hopefully like a trash can 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.440 or a flower bed maybe outside. Yeah. I don't know 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.920 how dorms worked in those days. Really, to be honest 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:52.600 with you, I just don't understand it. He said that 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:54.600 the dead fish was a prank played on him by 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:59.280 another student or fraternity member maybe um, but other people 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.320 on the internet it again, we'll get into this a 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.160 little bit later, but some people think that he was 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:07.560 lying about the purpose behind the dead fish. Remind me, 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:09.120 we get into the theories and I'll talk about the 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:10.760 dead fish in the bed things. I really don't want 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:14.280 to talk about a story again. But okay, do you 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.559 think maybe he murdered the fish. No, I just know. 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:18.640 I just know the story that Steve wants to tell him. 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:19.920 I don't feel like I need to hear it again. 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.160 But well, it's never been on recording, so we'll do 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.800 it again. It's there, we go. Yeah. It's also said 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.160 that he was planning on studying for the rest of 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:29.520 the night, although I don't really know. I don't know 0:11:29.559 --> 0:11:31.920 how we get a lot of this information after the 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.320 house Mom, Yeah, I thought he had been talking to 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.319 a friend and said, yeah, I gotta go study. I 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:39.400 gotta testimony. I thought so too. And it's and it's different. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.400 You know. Sometimes it says he's studying history, and sometimes 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:45.400 it said he's studying psychology. I don't really know which 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:48.040 is correct. I don't think they had psychology in nineteen 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:53.079 they did. The psychology has been around for a long time, Okay, Yeah, 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:55.280 it was just under a different name. I just didn't 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.880 think anybody took it back in those days. He was 0:11:58.960 --> 0:12:01.000 business major, so you know, I don't really know what 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:03.320 it was that he was taking. But it is also 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.680 reported that around nine Ron heard something outside his dorm 0:12:06.760 --> 0:12:10.200 room that disturbed him. But again, I don't know how 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.040 the heck we would know that. This is such a 0:12:13.120 --> 0:12:16.960 leading statement that drives me bonkers because it is copy 0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.960 and pasted everywhere on the internet and there's nothing nobody 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.080 could have known that. But I was thinking about that too, 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:26.360 and the only the only explanation I could come up 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.439 with that is that people heard a noise, Like more 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.400 than one person heard a noise coming from somewhere, and 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:35.600 they assumed, you know, well somebody he must have gotten 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.439 up to investigate the noise that I didn't bother to investigate. Well, 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:43.079 he was maybe, So that's what I'm thinking. That other 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.719 people heard a noise of some sort. Yeah, I mean 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.880 that would be the only that would That was kind 0:12:47.920 --> 0:12:49.679 of my assumption is that a bunch of people heard 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:51.880 it and poked their heads out, and he said, Okay, everybody, 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:53.320 you know, get back to your rooms. I'm gonna go 0:12:53.400 --> 0:12:59.000 check it out. But that's no explanation. I have no idea. 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:02.480 But that's not how it's reported. It's just reported that 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:06.880 he wanted to investigate a dead noise or a disturbing noise. 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:10.880 I think the problem is when this story was originally reported, 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:14.640 they only had four lines to put it into, and 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:18.960 so a lot of this trimmathea. About ten PM, his 0:13:19.040 --> 0:13:22.480 roommate Charles Finlay, came home and found Ron's death light 0:13:22.600 --> 0:13:27.080 on his physiology, psychology history, whatever it was. He was studying, 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.560 book open radio on and his belongings, including keys to 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:35.120 the dorm and his car, wallet, I d money, all 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:38.040 in their usual spot in their dorm room, but Ron 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:41.880 was gone. His roommate said that he thought maybe Ron 0:13:41.960 --> 0:13:43.760 had gone to spend the night at the frat house 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.839 or something, which I don't know why you would have 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:48.200 left all this stuff, but okay, that makes no sense 0:13:48.200 --> 0:13:51.160 of he left his coat, right, Yeah, he left all 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.760 of his stuff. Yeah, But Charles went to bed anyway 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.560 because I guess he just assumed, you know, it's Ron's deal. 0:13:56.600 --> 0:13:58.920 If it's not nothing I need to really worry about. 0:14:00.000 --> 0:14:01.520 And then he woke with the next morning and Ron 0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:05.640 was still gone. So they notified the authorities. What did 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:13.640 they find? Nothing? Nothing? Actually actually yes, kind of spoiler alert. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.440 Steve was being a smartass, but it's true. The police 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.440 found Ron's green car. It was like a nineteen thirty 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:25.400 nine something or other that was either way. He found 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:29.040 his nineteen thirties car parked in its normal spot. Um 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.120 with his bass in it. Still. That's one thing I 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.480 find on is that you would leave your musical instrument 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.000 in the back of your car when it's like nineteen 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.520 degrees out this I would not do that with like 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:43.960 my guitar. Well, And that's the thing is that he 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.280 was what it was it was it a bass guitar 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.320 or was I thought it was something? It was like 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:50.760 an upright bass. Oh it was okay, so which is 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:55.240 a big instrument. But even that, I mean, they have 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.600 it's not they don't use steal strings. I'm guessing they 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:06.000 would your normal natural filament strings. Whatever it is that 0:15:06.000 --> 0:15:09.040 that is that does not do well in a very 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:13.080 cold environment. For yeah, I know, what would an instrument 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:14.600 really You don't want to subject it to a lot 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.200 of extremes and temperature, which leaving in a car would 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:19.400 seem to do, whether it's cold or hot. So that, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.880 I agree, really odd thing. It's kind of odd to 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:26.080 have done. Maybe he was planning on leaving town or 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.040 I don't know. I mean he played a gig that day, 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:32.480 hadn't he, So I mean maybe he was thinking he 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.240 was going to go back out and get it later on. 0:15:34.280 --> 0:15:37.480 And yeah, that could have been which I don't know, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.280 but maybe Yeah, I don't really know why he would 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.680 have left it in his car, but he did. And 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.080 you know, nothing else really was missing. I mean nothing 0:15:46.160 --> 0:15:49.240 really at all of Ron's was missing. And that's the 0:15:49.320 --> 0:15:52.120 last that we I mean, presumably the clothes that he 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:56.120 had been wearing. He didn't even take his tooth rush. Yeah, nothing, 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:58.840 nothing was really missing. And that's it. That's all we've 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:03.200 ever heard of roun. Okay, Yeah, there there's more stuff 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.240 on here. You're not just ending us there, I am. Yeah, 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:12.000 that's the end of episode. Just kidding. One final note 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.560 here before we move onto theories, because there's just like 0:16:14.720 --> 0:16:20.120 nothing to this story, unfortunately, is that the summer after 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:27.560 Rown disappeared, a citizen witness named Mrs Carl Spivy so 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:29.800 you know, she didn't have a first name. She didn't 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.880 because she belongs to her husband or whatever. She was 0:16:32.960 --> 0:16:36.720 a kind of a nearby resident told police officers that 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:41.960 somebody matching Tomas description had come to her door around 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:46.360 midnight on April nineteen. She said that the man looked disheveled. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:48.280 He was wearing only a T shirt and pants, which 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:52.080 seems strange for the freezing temperatures. Which is true. And 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:53.880 then she said that the man was looking for a 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.920 bus stop, but further investigation found that the Oxford bus 0:16:56.920 --> 0:17:00.040 lines had been suspended for the night, so he it 0:17:00.080 --> 0:17:02.240 would have been impossible for him to take the bus. Yea, 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:04.080 she said that, Yeah, I heard that. She said he 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:06.600 was polite and then thanks her and all that stuff, 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:08.800 but she was sure that it was wrong. I mean 0:17:08.840 --> 0:17:13.200 she was sure. Almost everyone else is not sure. Okay, 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.480 so let me ask clarifying detail, because I don't remember 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.000 seeing the Dayton. This says the summer after according to 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.439 the quote you've got here, is that months later? Or 0:17:22.520 --> 0:17:25.040 is that a year and months later? Months later? So 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:29.600 it's okay, okay, so that's still to three months later 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:31.960 when his stuff has been all over the newspaper. Again, 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.320 these are the we always complain about, these, these later 0:17:35.520 --> 0:17:39.000 second hand accounts of him after I was informed by 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.800 the newspapers. How does she remember that specific night for sure? Yeah, 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.760 diary or or you know, that was the one night 0:17:48.800 --> 0:17:52.240 that it was nineteen degrees outside, and the rest of 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:54.720 the nights around it could have been not as cold, 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.159 could have been much warmer. I mean, you know the 0:17:56.200 --> 0:18:01.399 weather we're having here in Portland. Right, it's like high seventies, 0:18:01.640 --> 0:18:03.479 and then we've got two days coming up. They're supposed 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.280 to be in the fifties and I'm supposed to be 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.119 back up to the seventies and eighties. So I didn't 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.560 managed to find out a lot of information about the 0:18:11.600 --> 0:18:15.880 weather surrounding this day. But it's possible. But it's possible 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:17.960 that it was like, you know, kind of normal April 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:20.960 weather and then this one freezing cold day for whatever reason, 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:22.879 or there could be some other reason. It could have 0:18:22.920 --> 0:18:26.800 been there at wedding anniversary, birthday something, you know. I mean, yeah, 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:29.600 I did read it, or she could just be full 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.400 of it. I did read a small little interview with 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.800 her son, who had been home at the time because 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.760 she had passed away by the time this this guy 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:41.800 was investigating, and he said he remembered the guy coming, 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.960 but he also remembered that one of the reasons that 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.520 it stood out to him was because it was one 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.879 of the only nights that his father was gone, So 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:50.600 it could have been something like that as well. That 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:52.920 she remembered that a strange man came to the door 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.080 while her husband was gone, and that was the night 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:58.040 that he was working and okay, and it was the 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.840 vacuum salesman and mysterious nine months later his little brother 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:06.560 was bo. That's not how it happened, okay, but investigators 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.919 are pretty sure that was actually not ron. Yeah. I 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:12.919 mean there is some stuff, but we'll talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:15.199 The current guy that I was just talking about, his 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:18.000 name is Detective Smith, because that's, you know, easy enough 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:22.199 to remember it is. So with that, twenty minutes in, 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.680 you have heard our entire story. So you guys want 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:28.879 to talk about theories? Okay, okay, Well, I guess we 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:36.080 should take a break first. If you've ever read The 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.080 Green Mile, you know what a lovable and relatable character 0:19:39.240 --> 0:19:42.240 John Coffee is. 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I'm sorry, but 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:38.040 being muscular in good shape does not prevent a bullet 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.840 from entering your body. And you know, if there's like 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:53.560 five dudes trying to kidnap you. But yeah, yeah, exactly, so, yeah, 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:57.239 she will tear you up. Well yeah, yeah. Well, so 0:21:57.359 --> 0:21:58.840 now that we've got that out of the way, we 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:02.640 know that you clearly had to just have run away 0:22:02.680 --> 0:22:05.639