WEBVTT - The Calaveras Skull: The Practical Joke That Almost Changed Human Evolution

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Criminalia, a production of Shondaland Audio in partnership

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<v Speaker 2>When a group of miners uncovered a skull deep in

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<v Speaker 2>a mine shaft on the western slopes of Bald Mountain

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<v Speaker 2>near a gold mining camp called Angels Camp in Calaveras County, California,

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<v Speaker 2>it was believed, at least initially, to be a history

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<v Speaker 2>changing discovery. The owner of the mine, Illinois born blacksmith

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<v Speaker 2>James Mattinson, had originally gone west during the California Gold Rush.

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<v Speaker 2>He had little to no luck finding gold or any

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<v Speaker 2>other precious metals or anything really, and it said that

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<v Speaker 2>Mattinson didn't know at first what it was that he'd

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<v Speaker 2>dug up that day in February of eighteen sixty six.

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<v Speaker 2>It was when the skull was sent to the state

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<v Speaker 2>geologist of California, J. D. Whitney, who was also a

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<v Speaker 2>professor of geology at Harvard Universe when things went a

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<v Speaker 2>bit bonkers. Welcome to Criminalia. I'm Maria Tremarchy and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Holly Fry. Mattinson had first showed the fossil to

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<v Speaker 1>a local man who lived in the mining town, and

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<v Speaker 1>he in turn brought it to an Angel's camp merchant

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<v Speaker 1>named Philip Scribner. Scribner recognized that it was a human skull,

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<v Speaker 1>and he cleaned it up and sent it off to

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<v Speaker 1>physician and natural history buff doctor William Jones, who, although

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<v Speaker 1>we aren't one hundred percent sure, likely lived in nearby

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco. Jones was blown away by the potential of

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<v Speaker 1>the discovery, and he was the one who sent the

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<v Speaker 1>skull to J. D. Whitney. Upon examining this skull, Whitney

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<v Speaker 1>determined that it was an amazing find. He believed that

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<v Speaker 1>it belonged to a ply a scene age man, which

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<v Speaker 1>would have made it the oldest known record of human

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<v Speaker 1>existence in North America. And that wasn't the only thing.

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<v Speaker 1>It also suggests that humans had lived in the Americas

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<v Speaker 1>for much longer than scientists had previously thought.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a minute for a bit of science and

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<v Speaker 2>history to get our bearings on this time frame. The

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<v Speaker 2>Pliocene is the epic of geologic time scale that extends

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<v Speaker 2>from roughly five point four million to two point four

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<v Speaker 2>million years ago. Today, most scientists recognize some fifteen to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty different species of early humans, though there is disagreement

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<v Speaker 2>about how those species are related. As well as which

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<v Speaker 2>ones just died out over time. Fossils of the first

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<v Speaker 2>known hominids or human like primates, who lived between six

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<v Speaker 2>million and two million years ago, universally come from the

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<v Speaker 2>African continent. It's believed that early humans first migrated out

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<v Speaker 2>of Africa into Asia probably between two million and one

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<v Speaker 2>point eight million years ago, and there's no evidence of

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<v Speaker 2>humans in Europe until between one point five million and

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<v Speaker 2>one million years ago. It took even more time for

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<v Speaker 2>humans to populate the rest of the world. When it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to the Americas, there's no evidence there were humans

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<v Speaker 2>there until the past thirty thousand years or so. So

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<v Speaker 2>a Haminid skull dating to the Pla saying that was

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<v Speaker 2>both exciting and a bit of a scandalous announcement.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney didn't just examine the skull, though. He went to

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<v Speaker 1>Angel's camp, he visited the mine, and he spoke with

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<v Speaker 1>both Mattinson and Scribner. The men explained that Mattinson dug

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<v Speaker 1>up the skull in his mind, and though he originally

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<v Speaker 1>thought it was probably nothing more than a tree route,

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<v Speaker 1>when it was cleaned up at Scrubner's store, everyone realized

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<v Speaker 1>it was a skull, and that's when they brought in

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Jones for his counsel and advice. It's reported that

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney believed both Mattinson and Scribner were being truthful, and

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<v Speaker 1>he carried on with his investigative work. He concluded that

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<v Speaker 1>the skull was authentic and that it dated the Pliocene epoch.

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<v Speaker 1>That was definitely a stretch, but at the time it

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<v Speaker 1>was almost kind of, sort of within reason to make

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<v Speaker 1>that leap. Separate from this find. Others had claimed to

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<v Speaker 1>have found ancient stone tools like mortars and pestles under

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<v Speaker 1>the hills of Calaveras County. Those finds opened up the

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<v Speaker 1>possibility of that older age. The tools, and now the skull,

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<v Speaker 1>it was thought, could change what experts thought about human

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<v Speaker 1>evolution and in particular in North America.

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<v Speaker 2>On July eighteenth, eighteen sixty six, Whitney presented a paper

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<v Speaker 2>to the California Academy of Natural Sciences describing the skull,

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<v Speaker 2>explaining it had been recently found in Calaveras County. He

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<v Speaker 2>described his discovery in a mine shaft at a depth

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<v Speaker 2>of one hundred and thirty feet. It had been found

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<v Speaker 2>in oriiferous gravel deposits of a Pliocene river that had

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<v Speaker 2>been buried beneath million year old volcanic deposits. The San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco Alta summed up with Beney's talk the following day,

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<v Speaker 2>reporting quote, the skull is therefore not only the earliest

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<v Speaker 2>pioneer of this state, but the oldest known human being.

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<v Speaker 2>It is scarcely necessary to say that the announcement and

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<v Speaker 2>remarks of Professor Whitney made a profound sensation at the Academy.

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<v Speaker 2>He later exhibited the skull in August of eighteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>eight at the Chicago meeting of the American Association for

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<v Speaker 2>the Advancement of Science.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break here for a word

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<v Speaker 1>about how there's always a butt.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about the debate over

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not the skull was real and if it

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<v Speaker 2>was really as old as some people thought.

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<v Speaker 1>So many of our stories that we've told have a

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<v Speaker 1>moment where we have to talk about something that sounds

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<v Speaker 1>incredibly cool or interesting, and then we have to follow

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<v Speaker 1>it up with butt. All right, So here's the butt

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<v Speaker 1>for this one. Some scholars challenged the authenticity of the

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<v Speaker 1>skull while others did not, and it started a controversy

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<v Speaker 1>between those who insisted the skull had been planted at

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<v Speaker 1>the mine and those who insisted it was genuine. An

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<v Speaker 1>article in the Harvard Register reported that the Calaveras skull

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<v Speaker 1>quote has been mercilessly assailed as a hoax, not on

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<v Speaker 1>account of any suspicious circumstances attending its discovery, but because

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<v Speaker 1>it was predetermined in the minds of many that man

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<v Speaker 1>did not live at so ancient a time. The skull

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<v Speaker 1>looked others believed like it belonged to a human from

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<v Speaker 1>centuries earlier, probably from an indigenous tribe now referred to

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<v Speaker 1>as the Northern Sierra Miwok. Some assumed that that's what

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<v Speaker 1>it probably was. Prominent geologists, archaeologists, and anthropologists from several

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<v Speaker 1>universities examined the skull, but it actually took many decades

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<v Speaker 1>before the skull was decisively determined to be a fake.

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<v Speaker 2>Scientists were concerned that the artifact had been removed before

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<v Speaker 2>anyone with any kind of reputable authority could examine it

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<v Speaker 2>in the ground where it was found, but that wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>the only problem. There was a lot of disagreement within

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<v Speaker 2>the scientific community some people assumed it was the result

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<v Speaker 2>of an unfortunate mining accident. Skeptics also believed the skull

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<v Speaker 2>was just too modern to come from the Pliocene Age.

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<v Speaker 2>Some scholars believed it was just a practical joke played

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<v Speaker 2>by miners.

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<v Speaker 1>Whitney took the skull to the Smithsonian Institution in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. Where archaeologist William H. Holmes examined it, and

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes was well it was not on board with the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that this was a genuine find. In his analysis,

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<v Speaker 1>he had discovered that the sediment embedded in it, it

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<v Speaker 1>turned out, couldn't have come from the mind deposit. When

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<v Speaker 1>the skull was exhumed, it was still partially encased in

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<v Speaker 1>the material in which it was found. Loose sediment had

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<v Speaker 1>been brushed away by Scribner, and in that material Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>found bones, a shell bed that resembled those made by

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<v Speaker 1>indigenous peoples, and a snail shell from a modern type

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<v Speaker 1>of snail. Whitney had thought that the skull had bounced

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<v Speaker 1>along an ancient Pliocene river, where it must have settled

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<v Speaker 1>in sediments containing these tidbits. Holmes disagreed to him and

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<v Speaker 1>to other experts. The findings suggested that the skull had

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<v Speaker 1>come from somewhere else and been put in the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>He concluded that quote, it thus appears that the so

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<v Speaker 1>called Calivera's skull exhibits nothing in its character, condition, or

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<v Speaker 1>associated phenomena incompatible with the theory of recent origin, and

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<v Speaker 1>very much that may be justly construed as favoring that theory.

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<v Speaker 2>By eighteen sixty nine, skepticism was spread. A mister Blakesley

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<v Speaker 2>wrote in an edition of the San Francisco bulletin that year, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>we believe the whole story worthy of no scientific credence.

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<v Speaker 2>A minister told us the miners freely told him that

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<v Speaker 2>the whole affair was a joke. Despite the critics and

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<v Speaker 2>the stories, Whitney continued to believe it was a genuine find,

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<v Speaker 2>and by the eighteen nineties many in the academic community

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<v Speaker 2>continued to accept it as genuine, but it was becoming

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<v Speaker 2>more and more obvious among scientists that it really just

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<v Speaker 2>didn't fit into the fossil record of human evolution. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh one, F. W. Putnam, who had replaced Whitney

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<v Speaker 2>at Harvard, visited California and learned that In eighteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 2>a number of indigenous skulls had been dug up from

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<v Speaker 2>a nearby tribal burial site, and that skulls had been

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<v Speaker 2>planted in the Bald Mountain mine. Putnam concluded, quote, it

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<v Speaker 2>may be impossible, ever to determine, to the satisfaction of

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<v Speaker 2>the archaeologist, the place where the skull was actually found.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a good time to talk about something

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<v Speaker 1>that's been the creeping supporting character in this entire forgery season,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's confirmation bias. In the twenty twenty two edition

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<v Speaker 1>of Comprehensive Clinical Psychology, authors Caleb W. Lac and Jacques

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<v Speaker 1>Rousseau describe confirmation bias in the chapter Mental Health, pop Psychology,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Misunderstanding of Clinical Psychology, and their description of

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<v Speaker 1>confirmation bias reads as follows quote. It is the tendency

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<v Speaker 1>of individuals to favor information that confirms their beliefs or

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<v Speaker 1>ideas and discount that which does not. This means that,

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<v Speaker 1>when confronted with new information, we tend to do one

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<v Speaker 1>of two things. If this information confirms what we already believe,

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<v Speaker 1>our natural instinct is to accept it as true, accurate,

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<v Speaker 1>and unbiased. We unreservedly accept it and are happy to

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<v Speaker 1>have been shown it, even if it has some problems,

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<v Speaker 1>we forgive and forget those incorporate this new information into

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<v Speaker 1>our beliefs and schemas quickly. We are also more likely

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<v Speaker 1>to recall this information leader to help buttress our belief

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<v Speaker 1>during an argument. On the other hand, if this newly

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<v Speaker 1>encountered information contradicts what we already believe, we have a

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<v Speaker 1>very natural different response. We become highly critical and defensive,

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<v Speaker 1>immediately nitpicking any possible flaw in the information, even though

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<v Speaker 1>the same flaw would be ignored if the information confirmed

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<v Speaker 1>our beliefs. It also fades quickly from our mind, so

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<v Speaker 1>that in the future we cannot even recall being exposed

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<v Speaker 1>to it.

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<v Speaker 2>We have seen this bias at play over and over again,

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<v Speaker 2>from art experts who want to think they found a

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<v Speaker 2>previously unknown work by a particular artist, or in a

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<v Speaker 2>buyer who doesn't want to believe they've been duped. Psychological

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<v Speaker 2>bias is a powerful thing, so powerful that it can

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<v Speaker 2>override actual knowledge that would contradict what someone wants to

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<v Speaker 2>believe to us and maybe to you too. This seems

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<v Speaker 2>to have been at play for J. D. Whitney, and

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<v Speaker 2>he wasn't the only one.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to take a break for a word from

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<v Speaker 1>our sponsor, and when we're back we will talk about

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<v Speaker 1>how hard it was to convince even some experts that

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<v Speaker 1>the skull was just not what they hoped.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Criminalia. Let's talk about just how long

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<v Speaker 2>it took for experts to agree the skull was fake,

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<v Speaker 2>and how the whole thing was actually a practical joke

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<v Speaker 2>gone too far.

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<v Speaker 1>Decades after first examining the skull, Holmes, feeling unsure about

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<v Speaker 1>its age and providence, traveled to Calaveras to investigate further.

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<v Speaker 1>He read all of Whitney's reports, which included a description

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<v Speaker 1>of the skull. He examined the plant and animal thought

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<v Speaker 1>bustle supposedly found in the sediment on the skull. He

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<v Speaker 1>wrote of the scene, quote, to suppose that man could

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<v Speaker 1>have remained unchanged physically, To suppose that he could have

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<v Speaker 1>remained unchanged mentally, socially, industrially, and esthetically for a million years,

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<v Speaker 1>roughly speaking, is to suppose a miracle. To suppose again,

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<v Speaker 1>that the ancient people disappeared as a result of nature's mutations,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving their bones and handiwork, and that another people springing

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<v Speaker 1>up or appearing on the same spot in recent years,

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<v Speaker 1>have duplicated each and every character, activity and art form

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<v Speaker 1>is to suppose the impossible.

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<v Speaker 2>Holmes also spoke with George Stickle, a resident of Angels

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<v Speaker 2>Camp and Scribner associate. Stickkell stated that the skull had

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<v Speaker 2>come from an indigenous burial place in Salt Spring Valley,

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<v Speaker 2>which was located west of Angels Camp. He claimed it

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<v Speaker 2>was removed by doctor William Kelly, who gave it to Scribner,

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<v Speaker 2>who originally thought it would make a fun gag gift

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<v Speaker 2>to doctor Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes was now certain that the skull had been placed

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<v Speaker 1>in the mine, but he just couldn't verify it. Scribner

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<v Speaker 1>and Jones had both died in eighteen ninety eight. It's

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<v Speaker 1>actually pretty difficult to find a primary account of what occurred.

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<v Speaker 1>But Holmes heard the same tale again and again from

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<v Speaker 1>locals who had been there at the time, and that

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<v Speaker 1>story that they told was this. It was Scribner who

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<v Speaker 1>was the architect of the prank, along with a few

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<v Speaker 1>accomplices who were all friends of doctor Jones. Mattinson was

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<v Speaker 1>the sucker that they counted on to find the skull

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<v Speaker 1>that they'd planted, which he did, and they bet that

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<v Speaker 1>he would kick off a chain of events that would

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<v Speaker 1>get it into Jones's hands. He was the real target

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<v Speaker 1>of the prank, and Mattinson also did that.

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<v Speaker 2>When the skull arrived, Jones initially thought that it was

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<v Speaker 2>a practical joke, and really he should have trusted his

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<v Speaker 2>gut here. According to innkeeper jail spare Mary, Jones first

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<v Speaker 2>threw the skull into this street, yelling about how quote

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<v Speaker 2>the skull had been brought to him as a relic

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<v Speaker 2>of great antiquity, but he had just discovered cobwebs in

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<v Speaker 2>it and concluded that he had been made the subject

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<v Speaker 2>of one of Scribner's practical jokes. But then he had

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<v Speaker 2>second thoughts about it and presumably retrieved it from the street.

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<v Speaker 2>Never intended as anything more than a prank, the skull

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<v Speaker 2>ended up being discussed as a genuine Clyti scene fossil,

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<v Speaker 2>first by Jones, then by Whitney.

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<v Speaker 1>At the turn of the century. And yet despite all

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<v Speaker 1>these revelations that indicated the tomfoolery of the whole setup,

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<v Speaker 1>the skull continued to have defenders. The more experts learned

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<v Speaker 1>about it, though the more out of place it seemed.

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<v Speaker 1>It took several decades of debate before it was concluded

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<v Speaker 1>to be faked. Radiocarbon analysis known also as carbon dating,

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<v Speaker 1>was conducted on the skull in nineteen ninety two, so

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<v Speaker 1>quite a while after the whole thing started, and results

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<v Speaker 1>indicated it likely came from the Late Holocene Age. The

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<v Speaker 1>Holocene is the current geological epic in Earth's history. This

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<v Speaker 1>skull ultimately is estimated to be about one thousand years old,

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<v Speaker 1>and that aligns with Holmes's conclusion made years earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Nearly a century later, Ralph Dexter of the Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Biological Sciences at Kent State University concluded of the skull

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<v Speaker 2>and its controversy, quote, the desire on the part of

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<v Speaker 2>miners to play a practical joke, the anxiety of archaeologists

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<v Speaker 2>to prove the existence of early humankind in North America,

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<v Speaker 2>and the firm convictions and good faith of those involved

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<v Speaker 2>in an honest mistake led to this long drawn out controversy,

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<v Speaker 2>unique in the annals of American archaeology. The skull disappeared

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<v Speaker 2>from discussion.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you ready for a little something to drink while

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<v Speaker 1>we contemplate this whole skull story?

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<v Speaker 2>I am. Can you believe how many decades. That's it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>actually I can't you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's kind of the inspiration for today's drink, which

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<v Speaker 1>is called confirmation bias, because it really is a thing

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<v Speaker 1>where people will just dig in and they want something

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<v Speaker 1>to be true so bad. So I at least wanted

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<v Speaker 1>something to be super delicious and have not the flavor

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<v Speaker 1>of the drink that it's a look alike for, but

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<v Speaker 1>have a little bit of the same quality. And I'll

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<v Speaker 1>explain as we go. This one is a small drink.

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<v Speaker 1>One of those drinks is not diluted with anything, so

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<v Speaker 1>it is very spirit forward. But it is going to

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<v Speaker 1>start with a half ounce of unsweetened cranberry juice, a

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<v Speaker 1>splash of agave syrup, a quarter ounce of vanilla liqueur,

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<v Speaker 1>so not a whole lot, and then an ounce and

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<v Speaker 1>a half of dark rum. And you're going to put

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<v Speaker 1>these into a mixing glass with ice and then stir

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<v Speaker 1>it to combine it. If you are a drink person,

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<v Speaker 1>you may already know what we're making a copy of,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's how the original is also made. You're going

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<v Speaker 1>to strain that into a cocktail glass that's pre chilled.

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<v Speaker 1>I love a Nick and Nora glass for this. One,

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<v Speaker 1>which are those smaller volume they're really cute and perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you're gonna garnish it with a cranberry that

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<v Speaker 1>has been soaked in a gave or brown sugar syrup

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<v Speaker 1>for just a little while. You just need a coating

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<v Speaker 1>on it because it looks like a Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 2>It does, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, And a Manhattan is not dark, round, sweet, vermooth

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<v Speaker 1>bourbon and usually samangaster a bitters, so it's also very

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<v Speaker 1>spirit forward. It also is stirred in a mixing glass

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<v Speaker 1>instead of in a shaker or anything. I also wanted.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just fascinated by this idea of the dirt

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<v Speaker 1>and so I wanted a brown drink. I knew this

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<v Speaker 1>one is definitely on the reddish side of brown, so

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<v Speaker 1>that's what led me down this path. But the thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>when you drink it, it is like a Manhattan. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't taste like one at all, but it has a

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<v Speaker 1>similar effect psychologically, which is that you're like, Wow, this

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<v Speaker 1>is a strong drink, but it's also pretty tasty because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes when you say wow, this is a strong drink,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not tasting anything but spirit writing yes, whereas a Manhattan,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's made well, you taste the spirit, but you

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<v Speaker 1>you know that that sweet vermouth and that little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of like a luxado cherry usually gives it that little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of sweetness that smooths out the rough edges, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you taste the flavors and you're not just like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's alcohol. And I will say my one taste tester agreed,

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<v Speaker 1>not a big drinker, not a fan of drinks that

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<v Speaker 1>taste like alcohol. And he said, this is interesting because

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<v Speaker 1>I can taste that it's very spirit forward. But I

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<v Speaker 1>don't mind this at all when I was there.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting from him.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, if you want to make the mocktail of this,

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<v Speaker 1>it's really easy. You're gonna make everything the same, except

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<v Speaker 1>instead of vanilla li cure, you'll use a vanilla syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of dark rum, you're gonna make your favorite

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<v Speaker 1>dark like a black tea that has whatever spices you love,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it is a tea that comes spiced, or you

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<v Speaker 1>like to make your own black tea and then spice

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<v Speaker 1>it up with a little nutmeg and cardamom, or I'd

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<v Speaker 1>like to put a little pumpkin pie spice in tea.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets super yummy, I know. But we're in the

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<v Speaker 1>holiday scenes. It's appropriate. Yes, it's appropriate for me year round,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can also you know, if you're seasonal that way,

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<v Speaker 1>this should be great and that actually makes a really

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<v Speaker 1>yummy drink. I actually made one version with a vanilla

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<v Speaker 1>tea that I had on hand, and that was quite tasty,

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<v Speaker 1>but definitely a little on the more deserty roundy side.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I made one with a black tea that

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<v Speaker 1>I had added an assortment of things too, also very good,

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<v Speaker 1>but just a slightly different flavor profile. So experiment, find

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<v Speaker 1>what you like. Because remember, there's no such thing as

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<v Speaker 1>cocktail jail. You just want to make the cocktails and mocktails.

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<v Speaker 1>It taste most delicious to you, so tweak any recipe,

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<v Speaker 1>however you need to make it super yummy. In this case,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's two spirit forward, add a little more agave syrup,

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<v Speaker 1>add a little more cranberry juice. Although if you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>the unsweetened it has its own bite, so you got

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<v Speaker 1>to be a little careful with that. But you can

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<v Speaker 1>tweak and see what you like. I'm a big fan

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<v Speaker 1>of the taste tests. Go what does this need? This

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<v Speaker 1>is how you develop your skills as your home bartender,

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<v Speaker 1>where you know exactly how to make exactly what you

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<v Speaker 1>love and what's better than that. We are so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that you hang out with us to experiment with these

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<v Speaker 1>cocktails and hear stories of assorted strange things, including a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of confirmation bias. We will be right back here

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<v Speaker 1>next week with a little more of that and another cocktail.

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