Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what you really miss podcast. Something
Speaker 1: new and something hot.
Speaker 2: Oh we're coming in hot, Jenna. Okay and a little delayed.
Speaker 2: Sorry late, sorry relate, We'll come in hot and let
Speaker 2: me tell you the responses. Okay, this is hot takes, sizzling,
Speaker 2: this is hot takes. We asked you the question on
Speaker 2: Instagram if you had any hot takes for Glee and Lord,
Speaker 2: we thought this would be one episode. Let me just
Speaker 2: preface this by saying it will not just be one episode.
Speaker 1: We can't even go through them all. No, to get
Speaker 1: through these. Okay, we received hundreds of submissions from you guys,
Speaker 1: from comments and Dan's and voice notes, So thank you
Speaker 1: again for writing in like your questions for our Q
Speaker 1: and a's. You guys rock. This is I don't even
Speaker 1: I don't even know where to begin. Kevin, I don't either,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, right off the bat, we were talking about
Speaker 2: this idea and it was like we conjured it up
Speaker 2: and I follow somebody on Twitter called Peter Twinkline, and
Speaker 2: I wanted to share I don't know if this is
Speaker 2: a hot take, but it's something I agree with, okay,
Speaker 2: and was saying, no research to back this up, which
Speaker 2: I think is a good start to a hot take, okay,
Speaker 2: because it can't really be founded in any sort of science,
Speaker 2: but based on anecdotal data. What connects the TV shows
Speaker 2: that have been most successful in moving Americans to the
Speaker 2: left parentheses Glee, Family, Guy, the Wire is the fact
Speaker 2: that they're extremely politically incorrect but very clear in their
Speaker 2: humanization of minorities. WHOA And I was like, well, yes, WHOA.
Speaker 2: That feels correct. I hot take Glee was good for America.
Speaker 1: Hot take America was careful what we say here?
Speaker 2: Make America Glee again. Oh god, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: The merch.
Speaker 1: The merch right there.
Speaker 2: Actually make America Glee again. There's my hot take.
Speaker 1: We're going to just get start going through because let's go.
Speaker 1: There's so many and I can't even explain to you.
Speaker 1: So somebody said I didn't hate Blaineofski. It was cute
Speaker 1: seeing Blaine get cuddled during homecoming. There I said it.
Speaker 2: I I'm trying not to judge hot takes because that's
Speaker 2: the point of a hot take.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, Like, I'm trying not to come
Speaker 1: at people for their hot takes, but I also like
Speaker 1: there are some that I agree with.
Speaker 2: Hot take. My hot take is that Tina should have
Speaker 2: kept her stutter.
Speaker 1: Oh no, that is not that's a.
Speaker 2: Cold take for me, ice cold, ice bath.
Speaker 1: She wouldn't have been able to do any of the crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy things she did when she became crazy. So but
Speaker 1: I hear you, and I'm not judging you.
Speaker 2: A lot of hot takes, and I don't think this
Speaker 2: is a hot take because I think it's a wide
Speaker 2: held belief that Jenna was severely underappreciated on the show
Speaker 2: and Tina deserved more solos.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read that one a couple of times now
Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Kurt not getting into NYATA made complete sense to me,
Speaker 1: since the first half the season three consistently sets up
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have the resume required for admission unless
Speaker 1: he becomes class president early the musical, and he gets neither.
Speaker 2: It made sense. It makes sense along the curtain line,
Speaker 2: Clay should have stayed broken up after the breakup in
Speaker 2: season four, and they should have not been confirmed back
Speaker 2: together until the series finale. In the time, I'm jump
Speaker 2: they are way too young to be engaged at the
Speaker 2: start of season five, which obviously plays into why they
Speaker 2: call off the engagement later on. I think they truly
Speaker 2: needed lots of time apart to grow as their own people,
Speaker 2: explore and find their way. I don't disagree. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of early young engagements going on in this show, a.
Speaker 1: Lot of babies, a lot of engagements, a lot of weddings.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's a small town thing. Like I'm
Speaker 2: from a smaller town in Texas, and like so many
Speaker 2: people got married right out of high school.
Speaker 1: Plenty of friends got married in their twenties divorced in
Speaker 1: their forties. Yes, Hi, Don and Kevin, this is Michael
Speaker 1: hot take the song don't Dream It's over as the
Speaker 1: best that y'all have founded. I think that song is
Speaker 1: just beautiful and doesn't get talked about enough for how
Speaker 1: good it is. Thanks for hearing mine and my fellow
Speaker 1: gleagu's opinions on the lovely and fantastic show you guys
Speaker 1: start in. And lastly, thanks for bringing positivity to my
Speaker 1: Mondays and Thursdays with this great podcast. Well that's so nice, cute.
Speaker 2: I went back and listened to it, and I agree,
Speaker 2: it's really good right. I also agree you all sound
Speaker 2: really great. Oh, hot take, season six is better than
Speaker 2: season three.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a real one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, neither can confirm or deny. We're not there yet.
Speaker 1: This is a two parter from the same person, so
Speaker 1: I and I want to read both. Glee's version of
Speaker 1: Baby Got Back is truly a masterpiece. Wow. Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not judging you again, but I agree
Speaker 1: luke warm Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this other one is
Speaker 1: Tina is low key every theater kid that isn't the
Speaker 1: star or the teacher director's favorite. She's still about not
Speaker 1: getting any solos until she finally has a breaking point
Speaker 1: as that theater kid. I totally relate justice for Tina. Interesting,
Speaker 1: I couldn't yes, illness in my bones.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense, and I like
Speaker 2: that underrepresented. Yeah, you know that's hot take. Glee should
Speaker 2: have ended at season three. I don't know how hot
Speaker 2: that is. I think a lot of people have said that.
Speaker 2: I don't agree.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't agree either, Given what we've experienced in
Speaker 1: the last year and a half, Scream is one of,
Speaker 1: if not the best you at on the show, Kevin,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to suck up. Kevin.
Speaker 2: Sure sounds like you are I will say thank you.
Speaker 1: Though I agree from the same person.
Speaker 2: Though Bohemian Rhapsty is one of the worst covers on
Speaker 2: the show, Jonathan Groff is the most talented ever. But
Speaker 2: every cover on the show is better than the original
Speaker 2: except for this one.
Speaker 1: This is really really deep and dark and let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Okay, here's my hottest Glee take. The show
Speaker 1: isn't Rachel's success story. It's her villain origin story. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's Ana Skywalker, and all we can do is watch
Speaker 1: her own selfish decisions warp her into something powerful but unrecognizable.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, Rachel was annoying and ambitious, but had
Speaker 1: redeeming moments of kindness, compassion, and friendship which were genuine,
Speaker 1: though occasionally misguided. That's oftened how self centered and blunt
Speaker 1: she could be. By the time she got to Nyata,
Speaker 1: her moral compass had started to point more towards what
Speaker 1: she wanted than what was right, and by the time
Speaker 1: she was casting Funny Girl, what Rachel wanted and the
Speaker 1: right thing to do were treated like the same thing.
Speaker 1: I think Rachel and the pilot would be thrilled by
Speaker 1: what she choose and horrified by who she became to
Speaker 1: get there.
Speaker 2: Wow, hot take ming mingg ming ming ming ming ming
Speaker 2: ming ning. Love love that, love.
Speaker 1: It, I love that.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Scared to type this, but as a coach myself, Rachel
Speaker 2: was the right choice to have as the lead of
Speaker 2: the group. Absolutely, Mercedes and Santana have just as good
Speaker 2: as voices, But as a coach, it's Rachel you want
Speaker 2: out there during those competitions. She has the IQ, the
Speaker 2: right drive and perseverance that the other kids just didn't.
Speaker 2: This is not me saying others didn't deserve solos. That's
Speaker 2: in caps. Please don't kill me. No, I get it.
Speaker 1: No, I get it, get it, I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all get it.
Speaker 1: Here's the Hottestklee take. As cute as it may be,
Speaker 1: it makes no sense that so many high schools ships
Speaker 1: ended up together. In the long run, they should have
Speaker 1: kept clean and Britanna endgame. Maybe tardy, but ever the
Speaker 1: rest love like most young adults, or keep them single.
Speaker 1: That's also an option. Yeah, yeah, it's not realistic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but who's to say where they are now?
Speaker 2: That's right, they could have all fallen apart, totally, totally
Speaker 2: my hot take, Rachel, Santana and Kurt is the best
Speaker 2: friendship in the on the whole show. Their dynamic in
Speaker 2: New York is hilarious, and I wish we had gotten
Speaker 2: more of them as a trio. Rachel and Santana's feud
Speaker 2: in season five was just a lazy excuse to pitch
Speaker 2: two strong women against each other and live up to
Speaker 2: some crazy rumors I do. I mean, I think we agree.
Speaker 2: We agree with that. Yeah, with that, the three of
Speaker 2: them together in New York, I think at some of
Speaker 2: the best moments. I also think, though, the storyline that
Speaker 2: we're still watching and continuing of them going at each
Speaker 2: other Rachel and Santana, Yeah, sort of brings out the
Speaker 2: best in both of them in a number of ways.
Speaker 2: And I'm really enjoying that storyline because it feels it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel high school anymore. It feels really real and
Speaker 2: like they're acting out of their mind. They're so good
Speaker 2: at its so good, and I'm all about it. I
Speaker 2: think it's actually really good. I my hot take is
Speaker 2: the feud. I think the feud is really good. I
Speaker 2: think it was really good for the show and everyone
Speaker 2: talks about spin offs. I would have liked to see
Speaker 2: Rachel and Santana spin off. WHOA, I realized I like
Speaker 2: watching those two together.
Speaker 1: I mean, who who doesn't. I totally agree with you.
Speaker 1: I just a spin off is a bold.
Speaker 2: Statement, because during when it was happening, everyone, you know,
Speaker 2: I felt like every week there was like, Oh, there
Speaker 2: should be this spinoff or that spin off. Honestly, Rachel
Speaker 2: and Santana and you are that's.
Speaker 1: The spin off. That's the spin off. Okay, Blaine is Filipino. Obviously.
Speaker 1: Hot take is that Glee should have gotten Leya Salanga
Speaker 1: to play his mom instead of Gina Gershan. Love her,
Speaker 1: but I would have been perfect, and I know she
Speaker 1: was willing. Now I feel like Darren try to get
Speaker 1: Laid on the show, because I was hugely a fan
Speaker 1: of growing up. Darren and I had talked about this,
Speaker 1: and I know that he had met her through the show,
Speaker 1: and then I met her, and so I think there
Speaker 1: was something about him campaigning to get her on, but
Speaker 1: we didn't. She would have been a dream.
Speaker 2: Love her. I met her through both of you, and
Speaker 2: I was just so starstruck.
Speaker 1: She's She's so cool, so nice.
Speaker 2: Stupid talented icon. Sorry Kevin, but Artie wasn't a good
Speaker 2: guy in relationships. He just liked dating popular girls, but
Speaker 2: he was willing to dump any of them for a
Speaker 2: more popular one. Seriously, how could he be willing to
Speaker 2: break up with Kitty for a quickie with missus H.
Speaker 2: I don't disagree. Artie was not great.
Speaker 1: We talked about this before you know this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Artie was displaying early signs of in cell behavior
Speaker 2: if that sort of what's going on now, you know,
Speaker 2: with a certain type of podcaster and all that. I
Speaker 2: think he'd be into that in high school, which I hate.
Speaker 1: But I don't know, Kevin, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't want him to be. But I mean, if
Speaker 2: we look into the things he said and the way
Speaker 2: he behaved, especially in relationships.
Speaker 1: Okay, there's like fifteen different platforms in which these comments
Speaker 1: came through, And I'm looking at the comments on Instagram
Speaker 1: right now, and someone said, I absolutely hate Jesse.
Speaker 2: I get it. No, I think he was an unlikable character.
Speaker 1: And he came through broke up like finchall like it
Speaker 1: was just it was all wrong. But like we loved
Speaker 1: John Grop obviously so and Jesse was very funny, but
Speaker 1: as a character and his intentions and his motives correct,
Speaker 1: like we don't we don't love him.
Speaker 2: I was one of the ones I haven't been able
Speaker 2: to separate the person from the character where I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just John Graff is the opposite of Jesse. But like,
Speaker 2: I just love John and I love watching John. So
Speaker 2: if I was watching the show and didn't know John personally.
Speaker 1: These comments are on Fia.
Speaker 2: Hi, Kevin and Jenna. I'm Leah and here's my Glee
Speaker 2: hot take. Artie and Kitty should have been endgame. They
Speaker 2: were one of my favorite couples on the show, and
Speaker 2: their relationship really brought out the best in Kitty. What
Speaker 2: is your opinion on this? Also, in case you actually
Speaker 2: see this, I have to say thank you for everything.
Speaker 2: Glee t really changed my life in so many ways.
Speaker 2: Oh that's so sweet. I do agree that their relationship
Speaker 2: brought out a very positive side of Kitty. I don't
Speaker 2: know if it should have been endgame.
Speaker 1: Though, now, and you're talking the wrong audience here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Listen and do judge.
Speaker 1: Okay, here's my hottest take. Most everything in Glee exists
Speaker 1: only in the head of Sue Sylvester. In real life,
Speaker 1: she's a low level teacher or a pee coach who
Speaker 1: fantasizes about winning national level cheerleading competitions, slugging judges on stage,
Speaker 1: replacing the principal, having a celebrity baby, and being the
Speaker 1: vice president. The glee kids are all real probably have talent,
Speaker 1: though Sue clearly loves Mercedes, Kurt, Blaine Rachel, imagining them
Speaker 1: to fave fantasy characters. All the performances take place in
Speaker 1: the classrooms, and all those elaborate sets we saw, like
Speaker 1: the jungle set, the Toxic set, and Kurt written in
Speaker 1: brick lights are just Sue fantasizing along with the kids performing.
Speaker 1: All the shenanigans like Sue canceling the hotel rooms at
Speaker 1: nationals are more for acting out in her head to
Speaker 1: feel like she has power in a powerless world. And
Speaker 1: maybe that's why Santana, Becky and Sue are allowed to
Speaker 1: say the outrage outrageous, hurtful things they say, because those tirades,
Speaker 1: all in all, are Incu's head. I promise I just
Speaker 1: now thought of this and haven't been thinking about this
Speaker 1: for twenty years.
Speaker 2: Wow, I feel like somebody has said that I love
Speaker 2: it Wasn't that like a joke amongst I feel like
Speaker 2: I've heard that before, And like I don't know if
Speaker 2: like Ian joked about it or something like that. I
Speaker 2: could be making that up, but I feel I've heard
Speaker 2: that before. I or maybe it was like in Rachel's head,
Speaker 2: like it was all in Rachela. I think I've heard
Speaker 2: that one. Yeah, kind of brilliant. Okay, are you ready
Speaker 2: for something controversial?
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Glee when compared item by item to High School Musical.
Speaker 2: With the musical the series one, what one might say
Speaker 2: is the closest thing we have to Glee in the
Speaker 2: modern age, will almost always fall short. I am talking
Speaker 2: original songs. I'm talking representation both in front of and
Speaker 2: behind the camera in the writer's room. The show's treatment
Speaker 2: of bisexuals, The show's treatment of people of color, specifically Asians,
Speaker 2: but really everyone. The show's ability to satirize theater kids
Speaker 2: and not use the cool kids to boost up or
Speaker 2: make relevant those theater kids. The show's ability to not
Speaker 2: punch down the unhealthy teacher student relationships that are done
Speaker 2: in a tasteful way in High School Musical. The musical
Speaker 2: the series, the dance ability of the cast, both shows
Speaker 2: led by your friend Zach Woodley. Item by item, everything
Speaker 2: about High School Musical is better than Glee. But somehow
Speaker 2: Glee is still the better show. It will be longer lasting,
Speaker 2: it is already more iconic because because of when it
Speaker 2: came out, it forever changed the fabric of America, slash
Speaker 2: the world. Not even joking, Glee is a better show,
Speaker 2: even though it defies the clear science. I have previously
Speaker 2: started an essay about this very topic, but have not finished.
Speaker 2: My outline has side by side comparisons from each show.
Speaker 2: I fear it will be roughly fifteen pages. Wow.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: I would like to see that when it comes out.
Speaker 2: And I would also like to say, which you did?
Speaker 2: Context matters. When Glee came out, it was a different world, yes,
Speaker 2: and so it was ushering in all of those positive
Speaker 2: changes we saw in High School Musical, the musical, the series.
Speaker 1: Hey, that's great, and it was.
Speaker 2: It was a bit different. I mean, one was on
Speaker 2: Disney Plus when Disney Plus was like not doing punchy material.
Speaker 2: Glee intentionally was a dark satire that that was supposed
Speaker 2: to be irreverent and make offensive.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, definitely, if you had only read that screenplay
Speaker 1: that Ian wrote.
Speaker 2: You know, yes they were. They were very different tonally,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we did do original music. That was the
Speaker 2: whole conceit of the show. It's like, you know, but
Speaker 2: I don't disagree with some of that. What I think is,
Speaker 2: like you see the through line between the two of them, right,
Speaker 2: And what's funny is I think maybe Glee success isn't
Speaker 2: part because of the High School movie franchise, Yes, definitely,
Speaker 2: and then Glee and then High School Musical the musical.
Speaker 2: Serious success is a part success because of Glee. There's
Speaker 2: room for everybody, Yeah, there is, and there's just different
Speaker 2: different styles totally, and I think that show is great.
Speaker 2: I watched it, did you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hot take? I audition for the teacher.
Speaker 2: I wanted to be a teacher on that show too.
Speaker 1: I okay, here here's a hot take. I do not
Speaker 1: stand for the hate of mister shit talk about it, Okay.
Speaker 1: I'm not here to defend his actions like the week
Speaker 1: of talking, making out with April, to Shelby, to Holly,
Speaker 1: the wrapping, But he was an amazing teacher. You could
Speaker 1: tell that mister Shoe was a stand up guy who
Speaker 1: had the love for the arts and wanted students to
Speaker 1: have a passion for it too. He brought kids from
Speaker 1: all different walks of life and social clicks into one
Speaker 1: glee club. If it wasn't for mister Shoe, Rachel would
Speaker 1: never be friends with Quinn or Santana. Mercetades would have
Speaker 1: never housed a pregnant Quinn. No, Tina and Mike together,
Speaker 1: Finn and Kurt might not have been brothers. He loved
Speaker 1: those students and gave them space to have a creative
Speaker 1: outlet and a just to be their authentic selves. Glee
Speaker 1: wasn't just a club. It was a home to many
Speaker 1: students who wanted to feel like they were loved, special,
Speaker 1: and had some sense of talent. As Mercedes says, Glee
Speaker 1: club will never end, mister Shoe, because you are the
Speaker 1: Greek Club.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: I look, I agree with that. I think that his
Speaker 1: some of his actions were questionable. I think we also
Speaker 1: did live in a different world where like teachers could
Speaker 1: do some of these things without them being deemed inappropriate
Speaker 1: or uncomfortable or Yeah, I don't know. I don't hate
Speaker 1: mister Shoe. I've never hated mister Shoe that you know,
Speaker 1: But I don't I think when we look back. We
Speaker 1: have to we do have to condemn some of the
Speaker 1: things that he did.
Speaker 2: Was both things are true. He was great for all
Speaker 2: of those kids for all of those reasons, but he
Speaker 2: also has a long list of questionable things. Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: this is a real hot take. The best duet in
Speaker 2: Glee is American boy. Oh God clean.
Speaker 1: Oh God, no good no, oh God, no, no, no
Speaker 1: no no.
Speaker 2: On a lighter note, I love that canonically Santana had
Speaker 2: slept with both members of the Unholy Trinity. Yea, how
Speaker 2: unholy did it it? Hot take? Quinn Fabray got one
Speaker 2: of the worst trajectories of all the characters, with the
Speaker 2: writers not knowing what direction to take uh to take
Speaker 2: her in and lost sight of who she was. I
Speaker 2: think we said that she was Quinn went through it
Speaker 2: mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: I mean in a very short period of time. Yes,
Speaker 1: Glee was arguably one of the only shows that could
Speaker 1: have had the main cast stay in high school for
Speaker 1: twenty years or sixties, take your pick, and it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been that crazy. The show was satirical and often
Speaker 1: nature that they could have made jokes about being in
Speaker 1: high school for suspiciously long times and it would have
Speaker 1: been the fourth ball break, like a lot of other things,
Speaker 1: I have to agree.
Speaker 2: I agree, I have to. I think we could have
Speaker 2: gotten away with it. I will. I do think though,
Speaker 2: like shows like Penn fifteen have shown like successful ways
Speaker 2: to do that sort of thing. Yeah, even though it's
Speaker 2: a little different. But I don't know if that's like
Speaker 2: Ryan's style to do right. Yes, After Blaine joined New Directions,
Speaker 2: Kurt became his shadow. Chris had just won a Golden
Speaker 2: Globe at twenty one, and all they gave him were
Speaker 2: recycled relationships to him.
Speaker 1: Oh hot, Oh.
Speaker 2: Kevin, I love you, But Tina deserved better than already.
Speaker 2: I don't agree.
Speaker 1: Many people talk about Rachel's performances and then they snub
Speaker 1: her and cry season theory like it's kind of one
Speaker 1: of my favorite solos of hers.
Speaker 2: Oh, Rachel Barry never would leave Broadway for some reality
Speaker 2: TV show. It was so out of character and I
Speaker 2: hated it. And there are a.
Speaker 1: Lot of Mercedes Jones deserved better, a lot of justice
Speaker 1: from Mercedes Jones here in these commons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that's a hot take. I think
Speaker 2: everybody agrees. No, you know, I think that's we also got.
Speaker 2: Besides the d MS in the comments. We also got
Speaker 2: some voice notes. I think we should listen to a
Speaker 2: couple of these voice notes to hear the passion and
Speaker 2: the hot take.
Speaker 4: Hey guys, Mike Lee hot take is that at least
Speaker 4: some of the band members in the choir room should
Speaker 4: have had a storyline. There's so many times where it
Speaker 4: was like, oh my gosh, we're one member short, and
Speaker 4: I like, you have this group of musicians in the
Speaker 4: room with you all the time. So I would have
Speaker 4: loved it if there was some crossover or even like
Speaker 4: a relationship between someone in glee club and someone in
Speaker 4: the band. I just wanted them to have lines. I
Speaker 4: wanted to know their names. I just feel like those
Speaker 4: were a wasted opportunity that could have been characters.
Speaker 2: Agreed, Yeah, agreed, one hundred percent. Would have loved that.
Speaker 2: A relationship between a band member and one of the
Speaker 2: new directions so real. Yes, I love like during our
Speaker 2: graduation we're just up there with the entire band. It
Speaker 2: made me emotional, was like, oh, they're all graduating too,
Speaker 2: we don't know them. Get to know them.
Speaker 5: Hi, Jenna and Kevin. My name is Annabel and from Australia.
Speaker 5: Thank you for being my childhood, young adulthood, and adulthood. Now,
Speaker 5: my take on Glee is that everyone who witnessed the
Speaker 5: what does the Fox Say? Performance deserves financial reparations for
Speaker 5: their mental health appointments.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I don't know if anyone else will agree, but that
Speaker 5: is my opinion.
Speaker 2: Currently filing a class action suit.
Speaker 6: But in all seriousness, I would also like to say
Speaker 6: I think David Korowski's storyline is one of the most
Speaker 6: underrated character growth arcs of all time in TV history,
Speaker 6: and I will stand by that. I think his story
Speaker 6: was so important and I didn't really seen anything else
Speaker 6: like it on TV before, with the way his story
Speaker 6: panned out, and I think it's so underrated. Ah, and
Speaker 6: I think we should be talking about it. He's literally
Speaker 6: my Sheila, Oh my Godlailor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, I agree, I agree with all that.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Listen to another one. I love
Speaker 2: this Hi.
Speaker 7: So I'm a firmist believer that Tina and Already should
Speaker 7: not have ended up together, and I feel like it
Speaker 7: was a really lazy part on the writers. But I
Speaker 7: think Tina and Mike and Kitty and Larti were like
Speaker 7: the perfect Glee relationship, like perfect Frigglee because it was
Speaker 7: goth and football player and then it was nerd and cheerleader.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's.
Speaker 7: Just like the point of Glee was to have like
Speaker 7: the losers and the popular kids behind friends and form relationships,
Speaker 7: and none of the in game relationships were that well,
Speaker 7: I don't think they are No. Number one. Like also,
Speaker 7: I feel like it was a really big mischidcharacterization on
Speaker 7: Tina's part because Tina didn't like whenever Tina and Already
Speaker 7: were together, they just did not seem like they liked
Speaker 7: each other or they did like each other, but I feel.
Speaker 1: Like they were more like friends.
Speaker 7: And I also feel like Tina grew so much whenever
Speaker 7: she was with Mike, and I feel like Mike grew
Speaker 7: and then also I think Kitty and Already grew together.
Speaker 7: But also I could be biased because I am the
Speaker 7: biggest Tina Mike sand ever. Like, I just love them
Speaker 7: so much, and I also really love Tina, and I'm
Speaker 7: I like Artie but he's not my favorite. And this
Speaker 7: is past one minute. I am so sorry, thank you, sobody.
Speaker 3: I digs okay, jail, disagree jail my rebuttal to Tina
Speaker 3: and Artie not really liking seeming like they don't really
Speaker 3: like each other.
Speaker 1: I think that's just the way they work. I think
Speaker 1: that's the way they they get. They get, they get
Speaker 1: like what is the word I'm looking for? They work.
Speaker 1: You know those couples that are just like toxic for
Speaker 1: each other, but they like love each other, like so
Speaker 1: bad they hate each other.
Speaker 2: Think they were toxic.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't think they're toxic. But we weren't
Speaker 1: nice to each other always, but we were just like
Speaker 1: so unfiltered. But when I think people were a little
Speaker 1: jarred by that. Yeah, I mean that's how I am
Speaker 1: in a real relationship. Totally.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get one hundred percent of it.
Speaker 1: I love it. I thought it was very mature.
Speaker 2: You know what I think I do understand, which I
Speaker 2: think is interesting. I haven't thought about this because you
Speaker 2: and I were besties that maybe are acting romantic was
Speaker 2: not really as strong as like the friendship part of
Speaker 2: it because we were just like buds.
Speaker 1: That was like non and they're like whatever, this is boring.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they're not sexually attracted to each other.
Speaker 1: Oh, people do like tyke. Hey, that's funny. There's a
Speaker 1: few of these hot take Tina and Mike deserved a
Speaker 1: storyline in the breakup episode and should have an endgame.
Speaker 2: There's like a lot of those, I do. I would
Speaker 2: have loved to have seen more of Tina and Mike
Speaker 2: when you're not just arguing about like sort of racist Asian.
Speaker 1: Things totally totally or being called like Asian emberwan age.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what is like obviously there's something beyond that,
Speaker 2: So like, what is that storyline? I felt like it
Speaker 2: was always the punching bag?
Speaker 1: Was that for sure? These are insane? You guys, I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure. There's so many we have to do
Speaker 1: another episode of these, there's so many hot take? Is
Speaker 1: they mistreated Quinn? She deserved more solos, more screen time
Speaker 1: and decent storylines. You know, she's been through, she was
Speaker 1: put through a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of that Quinn, Quinn's character. Justice
Speaker 2: for that hot take, Lots more Curt and Carrol scenes. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 2: let's do one more voice note.
Speaker 8: Hi, Kevin and Jenna. By name's RAFFI. I'm a huge
Speaker 8: fan Kevin. I saw you at the Kennedy Center. You
Speaker 8: were incredible And my hottest Glee take is that at
Speaker 8: the end of season three Rachel and Finn should have
Speaker 8: gotten married as eighteen year olds. I know it sounds crazy,
Speaker 8: but it's not unrealistic. People that age do get married.
Speaker 8: And I think it would have been better for their
Speaker 8: story if they went to New York together and Finn
Speaker 8: had gotten into a school in New York for acting.
Speaker 8: And if we're being honest, many more crazy things happened
Speaker 8: in this show, so I don't think it would have
Speaker 8: been out of line.
Speaker 2: Now, I sort of agree, because when so many more
Speaker 2: couples get engaged later on, it sort of takes away
Speaker 2: the impact. I feel like, because everyone's getting engaged, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: just haven't get married.
Speaker 1: If you're going to go for it, go for it.
Speaker 1: I was excited about the wedding.
Speaker 2: I mean, if anyone was gonna get married, like I
Speaker 2: get Yeah, they worked, yeah, I mean they're the best. However,
Speaker 2: that train station scene was also we needed that.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget that.
Speaker 2: I never forget that.
Speaker 1: One of the best things in the series.
Speaker 2: Okay, we're going to do this again. This is a
Speaker 2: new new series.
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