Speaker 1: I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset.
Speaker 2: When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.
Speaker 2: And when I find my ball in a.
Speaker 1: Brid egg Friday Egg, the dreaded Friday Friday fridag Egg
Speaker 1: Friday Bride Egg.
Speaker 2: Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the course.
Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another edition of the
Speaker 2: FRIDAYGG podcast. UH. This week, our guest is t K Kelly.
Speaker 2: He's a Chicago native and recent Ohio State graduate. TK
Speaker 2: just earned status on the Latin American Tour and he
Speaker 2: turned professional after a good amateur career that he won
Speaker 2: a NCAA regional last year, two Illinois state amateur titles,
Speaker 2: beaten up on hacks like me, and you know, his
Speaker 2: senior year he had All American honor and Bowl Mentioned honors.
Speaker 2: So t K, welcome on, Thanks.
Speaker 1: For having me on. I'm excited to hop on here
Speaker 1: and talk about some stuff and have a full little discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're diverging. We've been on an architect tear
Speaker 2: and we love kind of the whole going for the
Speaker 2: professional career and the journey and glad to kind of
Speaker 2: catch you on your early part of your journey to
Speaker 2: hopefully the PGA Tour here.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely going to be down in Latin America this
Speaker 1: spring and fall playing on that tour and excited, excited
Speaker 1: to just get it going and see what traveling is
Speaker 1: all about, you know, meeting a ton of people and
Speaker 1: seeing a bunch of new places. I'm really looking forward to.
Speaker 1: It should be a it should be a fun time.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So why don't you give our listeners a little
Speaker 2: background into you how you got into golf and kind
Speaker 2: of your career this far.
Speaker 1: So my the biggest probably point in my background would
Speaker 1: be that my mom she also played college golf. She
Speaker 1: played at the University of Tulsa, and they actually won
Speaker 1: a national championship in women's golf while she was there,
Speaker 1: and got second two other years, and so she a
Speaker 1: bunch of her teammates went on to play on the
Speaker 1: LPGA Tour and she played with the She just played
Speaker 1: with ladies that play at other schools that are on
Speaker 1: the tour now and in broadcasting, and so she has
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of friends throughout the game,
Speaker 1: and golf is just kind of something that's always always
Speaker 1: been really big part of our family. My grandfather was
Speaker 1: on the board for the WGA, and was a member
Speaker 1: at Butler back in the day with all the old
Speaker 1: Western Opens that were out there. And he was the
Speaker 1: chairman for the nineteen ninety Senior Open at Madina. So
Speaker 1: just just a big part of And it wasn't the
Speaker 1: Senior Open in ninety, it was the US Open that
Speaker 1: was when Hail Arwin won. But yeah, so golf has
Speaker 1: just kind of been a big part of our family.
Speaker 1: And just got introduced to the game at a very
Speaker 1: young age and took the liking to it and slowly
Speaker 1: started to quit every other sport as I got older,
Speaker 1: to just focus more and more on golf because I
Speaker 1: could just tell that was a sport I love the
Speaker 1: most and that's what I like to do.
Speaker 2: How long did it take you to beat mom on
Speaker 2: the golf course.
Speaker 1: I think I was probably around ten or eleven. She
Speaker 1: once she had me and my brother, she didn't She
Speaker 1: didn't quite keep her game up as much. She didn't
Speaker 1: really practice as much anymore, and the less she practiced,
Speaker 1: the less she wanted to play because it always would
Speaker 1: annoy her or bother her, and that she couldn't play
Speaker 1: as good as she used to be able to she's
Speaker 1: the most competitive person I've ever known, and so she
Speaker 1: has gotten back into it in the last few years
Speaker 1: now that me and my brother I'm through college and
Speaker 1: my brother's in college, so she has more time to
Speaker 1: work on her game and she's definitely taking advantage of that.
Speaker 1: And we have a lot of fun with our family
Speaker 1: for some grudge matches whenever we go on golf trips
Speaker 1: or holidays back home, so it's a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's getting back the game a little bit.
Speaker 1: Took play some really good golf in sports. I think
Speaker 1: a summer or two ago. We were up at Aaron
Speaker 1: Hills and she convinced being willed to give her one
Speaker 1: too many shots and she ended up shooting the seventy
Speaker 1: four on us at Aaron Hills and her dad be
Speaker 1: me and my brother by an absolute landslide. So that
Speaker 1: was a tough loss. But yeah, we all have a
Speaker 1: lot of fun with it as a family.
Speaker 2: Does your dad have game or is he kind of
Speaker 2: dragging down the family handicap?
Speaker 1: He has some game that he doesn't want to let on.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want really anybody to believe the game he has.
Speaker 1: But he's he's always had a pretty smooth swing, hits
Speaker 1: the ball knife. He was a really good rutter putter
Speaker 1: when I was growing up, but he seems to have
Speaker 1: been struggling with the flastic a little bit the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. But yeah, no, he can. He could
Speaker 1: play some good golf as well, just not I wouldn't
Speaker 1: say he'll. He would admit that it's not quite the
Speaker 1: level of me and my brother, my mom, but he's
Speaker 1: a He's a dark horse in the family for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably getting some good pops and can sneak up
Speaker 2: on you. Yeah, absolutely, So who were some of kind
Speaker 2: of your favorite golfers grown up? I always think this
Speaker 2: is interesting with the younger guys. I was a big
Speaker 2: Tiger guy. He was kind of huge when I was young.
Speaker 2: But curious with you who was kind of some of
Speaker 2: the big influences.
Speaker 1: I mean, for me too, it was just far and
Speaker 1: away Tiger, especially growing up out at Madina. One of
Speaker 1: my earliest golf memories is going out to the ninety
Speaker 1: nine PGA and I was only five years old, but
Speaker 1: I was still walking around with my mom and I
Speaker 1: just can faintly remember watching Tiger. And then in two
Speaker 1: thousand and six, I was twelve. Then so I have
Speaker 1: a lot better recollection of that, and that's when I
Speaker 1: was really getting into golf, and Tiger just blew away
Speaker 1: the field again there, so it was just like watching
Speaker 1: my hero range of my eyes. I would always go
Speaker 1: down to the Western Open at cog Hill and what
Speaker 1: became to BMW to wash Tiger and he was just
Speaker 1: almost like a mythical creature to me. And played all
Speaker 1: the games, video games, Tiger Woods, video games growing up,
Speaker 1: and that's that was kind of the heyday of my
Speaker 1: childhood was in video games started to get really big
Speaker 1: like that, so that also played into it. But then
Speaker 1: also some some just other guys. I was a huge
Speaker 1: Camillo fan around the two thousand and six PGA. They
Speaker 1: got called him on Thursday and Friday, like all thirty
Speaker 1: six holes that week. Just I was really into the
Speaker 1: Jay Linberg clothing line back then, and he was rocking
Speaker 1: JL and he was ripped and just hit it forever
Speaker 1: and was kind of a cool guys when he did
Speaker 1: the Spider Man thing on the greens. Looking back at
Speaker 1: it now, it's kind of funny, but just when I
Speaker 1: was a twelve year old kid walk around, I thought
Speaker 1: Camillo was on the coolest guys out there, and then.
Speaker 2: Early in your junior career where you just decked out
Speaker 2: in jay Lindenburg. Were you that guy?
Speaker 1: No, I had. I had one mock Jaylenburg sure that
Speaker 1: I love to wear. If I look up a picture
Speaker 1: of it now, it is probably the most brutal golf
Speaker 1: shirp I've ever owned. And I regrettingly did have a
Speaker 1: white jay lienbird belt with a big jail buckle that
Speaker 1: has since long been retired. But those were those two
Speaker 1: pieces definitely were two staples of my junior golf wardrobe,
Speaker 1: probably around the age of twelve to thirteen, which they
Speaker 1: they have not seen the light of day probably since then,
Speaker 1: but back then they were definitely two of my favorite
Speaker 1: articles I had.
Speaker 2: You know, I keep wondering, like when the white belt's
Speaker 2: gonna die, because like there's such strong resentment towards it
Speaker 2: now with a certain aspect of the community golf community.
Speaker 2: But I keep seeing more and more young kids wearing
Speaker 2: white belts, Like what is what's going on? Where's the disconnect?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good question. I if you, when I
Speaker 1: was fourteen or something, someone were to tell me that
Speaker 1: white belts were cool, would probably looks them like they
Speaker 1: were crazy, because I was convinced that white golf belts
Speaker 1: like I would primarily only ever wear white golf belts,
Speaker 1: like I didn't think anything else looked good. And now
Speaker 1: I look at an outfit and I'll put a black
Speaker 1: belt on with it, and I'll think, you know, back
Speaker 1: in the day, I would have thought this, this looked weird.
Speaker 1: But I just think it's an age thing. I think kids,
Speaker 1: once they get to a certain age, realize that all right,
Speaker 1: you know, like I didn't. Probably you did. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you were ever in on them, but just
Speaker 1: like this isn't this just doesn't look good anymore. But
Speaker 1: when you've got you know, guys on two were wearing
Speaker 1: big white belts, you've got a four year old guy
Speaker 1: at the club wearing a big, flashy white belt, and
Speaker 1: there's a there's a real problem there because there's just
Speaker 1: no excuse for that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if I dig up the relics, I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm guilty. I had a white belt that would make
Speaker 2: appearances for like two three years, but it's been long retired,
Speaker 2: kind of like yours. It's a you know, it's you
Speaker 2: look back and just shake your head at some of
Speaker 2: the things that used to be in for golf. So
Speaker 2: you know, you had a good high school career and
Speaker 2: then you went to Ohio State. What other schools were
Speaker 2: you looking at and why'd you go to Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I was looking at Ohio State, Illinois in Iowa. Those
Speaker 1: are probably my big final three. I like the opportunities
Speaker 1: that the other two schools offered me. Think they both
Speaker 1: have awesome history with their golf programs and have really
Speaker 1: good teams. Obviously, what Illinois has done in the last
Speaker 1: five or six years has been remarkable. Coach Small has
Speaker 1: done an unbelievable job there. But I just stuck out
Speaker 1: to me about Ohio State was just the lure of
Speaker 1: being an athlete at Ohio State and everything that came
Speaker 1: along with it, and just the history of the athletic
Speaker 1: program there and the history of the golf program as well,
Speaker 1: mister Nicholas having played there, and John Cook, Joey Sindelar.
Speaker 1: There's just the even recent guys like Ryan Armer, who
Speaker 1: had a great Web dot Com Tour season last year,
Speaker 1: and bo Hoag's another one who's getting out there now
Speaker 1: and he's starting to play well. So just a lot
Speaker 1: of history and just it was the perfect distance away
Speaker 1: from home for me, six hours driving and only an
Speaker 1: hour flight if I needed to get back home from something.
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted to go out to Ohio
Speaker 1: State and Columbus and kind of have something that was
Speaker 1: my own a little bit. I had no connections to
Speaker 1: the school or anything like that, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a good opportunity for me to step away from
Speaker 1: Chicago and home and kind of make a name for
Speaker 1: myself somewhere else.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, I mean the climate's got a little
Speaker 2: bit better too, so with kind of Jack and obviously
Speaker 2: Jason Day calls Columbus home. Did would Jason Day spending
Speaker 2: time around the practice facilities. I saw a shot that
Speaker 2: Nike commercial out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he did shoot that Nike commercial out there. And
Speaker 1: he when I was in school at one point my
Speaker 1: last year, he he came to check out the facility
Speaker 1: to see if there was you know, if he had
Speaker 1: any useful order if he wanted to practice out there
Speaker 1: at all. And I believe he has gone out there
Speaker 1: and practiced from time to time. He he never came
Speaker 1: out and practiced with the team per se. He just
Speaker 1: kind of, you know, used the facility when we weren't
Speaker 1: out there just to kind of get away and find
Speaker 1: a quiet spot to work on his game when he
Speaker 1: was back home, because I knew he finds his time
Speaker 1: back home really valuable to him and his family, so
Speaker 1: he kind of kept it quiet when he was back
Speaker 1: in Columbus. But every once in a while, you know,
Speaker 1: you could tell he was just out there, that he'd
Speaker 1: been around a little bit, which was kind of cool.
Speaker 1: And it was really cool to see that commercial shot
Speaker 1: at our facility because I had no idea that it
Speaker 1: was and all of a sudden, I look at the
Speaker 1: video on Twitter one day and I was like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's building. What's pretty familiar there, So that was cool
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: It's probably good that he wasn't out there when you
Speaker 2: guys were, because you know, if he was playing in
Speaker 2: front of you as a single, you guys would just
Speaker 2: be standing waiting for him to finish his pre shot routine.
Speaker 1: That's a good point. We might get sick too, whatever
Speaker 1: ailments he's catching it. It was good that he wasn't
Speaker 1: out there so we wouldn't get those too and get
Speaker 1: the whole team sick.
Speaker 2: I mean, he might have caught some stuff from you,
Speaker 2: just you know, even being in the facility and being
Speaker 2: you know subjected to you know, college germs.
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's a good point. It's a really
Speaker 1: good points from the dorms.
Speaker 2: So you know, you're in college, you're playing all the
Speaker 2: am stuff. You know what, what's some of the stuff
Speaker 2: that you'll miss most about amateur golf as you now
Speaker 2: head to the Latin American Tour.
Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing to miss about amateur and
Speaker 1: college golf is just the experiences at every tournament that.
Speaker 3: We often got the also just the golf courses that
Speaker 3: we got to play. Like our first tournament of the
Speaker 3: year my senior season was the Carmel Cup at Pebble
Speaker 3: Beach and we stayed in the lodge for four nights
Speaker 3: and got to play at Pebble Beach four days in
Speaker 3: a row.
Speaker 1: I share a room which my best friend at school,
Speaker 1: and we were right off the first piece at Pebble
Speaker 1: Beach and we were just talking like, there's nothing else
Speaker 1: can really top this experience. We're not going to be
Speaker 1: able to, you know, find the cooler buddy golf trips
Speaker 1: than the one we're on right now. Playing at a
Speaker 1: tournament a Pebble for the next four days. It's just
Speaker 1: experiences and the unique tournaments like that that college golf
Speaker 1: and amateur golf lends itself to is really I think
Speaker 1: the best part about it. And just the camaraderie of
Speaker 1: going to these differ amateur events like Sanny Hannah and
Speaker 1: having the membership embrace it so much, and having events
Speaker 1: every night and long drive contests and you know, socials
Speaker 1: with members of the clubs that brought everybody together and
Speaker 1: just you know, there was serious during the tournament days,
Speaker 1: but it was also fun at night, and it was
Speaker 1: fun to just hang out and you know, enjoy, enjoy
Speaker 1: each other and have some fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Columbus is awesome golf city. Did you guys you know,
Speaker 2: obviously have the Scarlet course out there that you primarily used,
Speaker 2: But did you guys get to play like Mierfield, Seyota
Speaker 2: Double Eagle out there also?
Speaker 1: We did a little bit. We played Mirefield quite a
Speaker 1: bit in the fall my freshman year because we had
Speaker 1: the Jack Nicholas Invitational out there. That was our home
Speaker 1: event that we've hosted that fall, which I believe is
Speaker 1: possibly going back to there in the next couple of years.
Speaker 1: I don't know that for sure. But that that was
Speaker 1: a word on the street a little bit. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we played out there a town that fall to get
Speaker 1: ready for that event, and then we play out there
Speaker 1: here and there every once in a while. There was
Speaker 1: never really much need for us to play at a
Speaker 1: bunch of places around Columbus because Scarlett's such a good
Speaker 1: test and such a good place to work under game.
Speaker 1: But we also played out a little bit like if
Speaker 1: high school the state championship was going on that or
Speaker 1: if our course wasn't available during the web event, we
Speaker 1: would play out there a little bit, which is that
Speaker 1: course is unbelievable, just an awesome club too. We played
Speaker 1: a couple of times out at the golf Club in
Speaker 1: New Albany, which is a pretty which is a pretty
Speaker 1: unique spot, one of the very few Pete Dykes verses
Speaker 1: that I enjoy playing. Mm hmm. And then I never played,
Speaker 1: never played double legal. I've always heard great things about
Speaker 1: that place, but never had the never had. I know,
Speaker 1: our team played there once or twice that I was
Speaker 1: either out of town or back home for the weekend
Speaker 1: or something. But I've heard that's a pretty awesome track
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here pristine conditions, so you know, if you're if
Speaker 2: you're going one through four mirror field of the golf Club,
Speaker 2: Scioto and Scarlet course, what what how do you rank them?
Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely? I say question where I think you have
Speaker 1: to put?
Speaker 2: Where are you playing the most times out of ten?
Speaker 2: Let's I'm not a big ranker, but where are you
Speaker 2: going to play the most times out of ten? You know,
Speaker 2: how would you split him up?
Speaker 1: If I was going to play the most times out
Speaker 1: of ten, I would play Sciota first, then I would
Speaker 1: play Merefield next, and then I would play the Golf
Speaker 1: Club and then Scarlett And I say it in those
Speaker 1: order because Siota is the golf that I grew up
Speaker 1: loving in Chicago. It's your classic just kind of push
Speaker 1: you in the face, tough, just classic golf course, long,
Speaker 1: great green complexes, good bunkering. It's just a it's just
Speaker 1: an awesome test. And it's just kind of a really
Speaker 1: nice piece of role in property there in Upper Arlington.
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a really fun eating holes of
Speaker 1: golf when you play out there. And then I would
Speaker 1: say Deerfield next, because it's the turn the course. You
Speaker 1: see the memorial. There's some awesome golf holes out there.
Speaker 1: It's really pretty, it's in perfect shape all the time,
Speaker 1: and it's fun to play out there. And I say
Speaker 1: the golf club third, because it's it's a lot of
Speaker 1: fun to play out there when it's kind of a
Speaker 1: unique experience. It's a I don't know if it's a
Speaker 1: place that I'd want to play every single day, because
Speaker 1: it would kind of lose its mystique to me if
Speaker 1: I played out there every day, because it's a place
Speaker 1: that you played maybe once or twice a year and
Speaker 1: you really enjoy. And then I would just say Scarlet last,
Speaker 1: just because I played there basically five days a week
Speaker 1: for four years. So it's it's really hard. I still
Speaker 1: think it's really hard, but I would much rather play
Speaker 1: the other golf courses in Columbus than Scarlett anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I was out at Scarlett for that
Speaker 2: WEB event this year, and it's I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: great golf course to get to play every day, just
Speaker 2: because it tests the crap out of your game. It's interesting,
Speaker 2: like you look at that tournament and you're in year out.
Speaker 2: You know, it's one of the few places of Web
Speaker 2: dot Com plays that's actually like a PGA Tour level
Speaker 2: venue and you get a little bit different of a
Speaker 2: leader board where you got you know, par is actually
Speaker 2: valued as opposed to most of the spots that are
Speaker 2: just pirty fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and when that place it's firm, some of
Speaker 1: those fairways you're just impossible to hit and the greens
Speaker 1: are severely undulated. It can just be a place that
Speaker 1: can just give you headaches playing out there, but it
Speaker 1: is it's fun to see that web ban go out
Speaker 1: there and have to be a you know almost us
Speaker 1: o finish like scoring you know, five unders a pretty
Speaker 1: good week for a guy, and you know you're good
Speaker 1: chance that you're probably gonna win or finish pretty high
Speaker 1: in the field if you shoot five six hunder.
Speaker 2: So in terms that you touched on Chicago a little bit,
Speaker 2: while we're on the golf course subject, what are your
Speaker 2: favorite spots to play in Chicago and maybe give somebody
Speaker 2: and your under the radar gem that not a lot
Speaker 2: of people know about. Obviously everybody knows about the big names, but.
Speaker 1: Well, my biggest under the radar gem has to be Nowood.
Speaker 1: It's a course that if people were looking at overall
Speaker 1: body of work in Chicago probably leave off the list
Speaker 1: every time and definitely, someone from outside of Chicago would
Speaker 1: probably have never heard of Nowood. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of guys for the Western End last year probably had
Speaker 1: never heard of Nowood and walked away at the end
Speaker 1: of the week being like, Wow, that's an awesome track.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know how many times you've played
Speaker 1: out there, but it's just a cool spot. I think
Speaker 1: it's just got some unique holes. It's to start, how
Speaker 1: it kind of loops around the clubhouse the first five
Speaker 1: holes is really cool and I've just always enjoyed every
Speaker 1: round of golf I've played out there. But some of
Speaker 1: my other favorites, I think Scopie pops off pretty high
Speaker 1: right out there. My freshman year for next Westerns event.
Speaker 1: Had never known it was a good course before then,
Speaker 1: and probably a little naive at that age, but still
Speaker 1: I was. It's one of my favorites. Butlers up there
Speaker 1: as well then another cool place to play. Just I
Speaker 1: think Black Sheep is one of the one of the
Speaker 1: most fun experiences you can have playing golf anywhere, especially
Speaker 1: in Chicago. You could play out there from from dawn
Speaker 1: to desk every day and never get board. All the
Speaker 1: different options out there, so those are some of my
Speaker 1: some of my favorite courses in the area.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up working at Noelwood, so I worked
Speaker 2: backroom to junior golf and caddied. So I've walked that
Speaker 2: golf course like probably and played at twenty five hundred
Speaker 2: times or something absurd amount. It's so good. It's the
Speaker 2: best is the membership knows how good it is and
Speaker 2: they don't care what anybody else thinks. Yeah, yeah, they
Speaker 2: could care lots about rankings. The you know, black Sheeps
Speaker 2: have spot. That's I got to get out to this year.
Speaker 2: I've heard nothing but really good things that Dave Westler,
Speaker 2: guy who did it. He's done some cool work with
Speaker 2: renovations around Chicago area under the rad argument.
Speaker 1: I played Black Sheep with him last summer. He was
Speaker 1: he played golf at Ohio State. Actually around the time
Speaker 1: my mom put out of Tulsa, so he was on
Speaker 1: the IgG A board with my mom, so she kind
Speaker 1: of set that up with him and I was able to.
Speaker 1: I went out there and played with him and his son,
Speaker 1: and it was it was a cool experience. It was
Speaker 1: the first time I'd ever played a course with the
Speaker 1: golf with the guy who designed it, So I was
Speaker 1: picking his brain and asking some questions here and there.
Speaker 1: So that was that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a cool experience. I just did the same
Speaker 2: thing down in Orlando last week with Dad Leyton, who's
Speaker 2: now in charge of Arnold Palmer Design. It's just it's
Speaker 2: interesting to hear them talk about, you know, the like
Speaker 2: little challenges and you know what they were trying to do.
Speaker 2: It's it's cool. Definitely an experience that everybody should try
Speaker 2: and get one time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where all the I feel like random stories
Speaker 1: of I actually wanted to build this hole this way,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't because of this. So this is where
Speaker 1: this this great hole was my plan B for this
Speaker 1: hole and it actually ends up being, you know, the
Speaker 1: best hole on the course or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's interesting. It's I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the cool things about architecture is you could give thirty
Speaker 2: architects the same piece of land and you'd get thirty
Speaker 2: completely different golf courses. It's you know, it's really an
Speaker 2: art underappreciated aspect of golf.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. I think Dave's working on a pretty big
Speaker 1: project out in Oregon, I believe called Pacific Gales that's
Speaker 1: supposed to supposed to be done in the next few
Speaker 1: years that he's been working at for a while. I
Speaker 1: get the land like ten or so years ago, and
Speaker 1: he's just been He's been involved with every single part
Speaker 1: of the project. So it's something to look out for.
Speaker 1: That should be a pretty cool design out there.
Speaker 2: It's that Pacific Northwest has got to have some of
Speaker 2: the best golf of any area. It's like so under
Speaker 2: the radar because I feel like the Pacific Northwest is
Speaker 2: just there, you know, and nobody really pays attention to it.
Speaker 2: And it's like you've got Bandon, You've got you've got
Speaker 2: Wine Valley, You've got Gamble Sands, You've got Chambers up
Speaker 2: in Washington. But then you've also got like, you know,
Speaker 2: Dan Hickson's just finishing up a reversible course that's supposed
Speaker 2: to be really cool called Sylvie's Rant. I need to
Speaker 2: spend like two weeks there, I think this summer and
Speaker 2: just knock it out.
Speaker 1: The uh which Hollow Pumpkin Ridge is also an unbelievable
Speaker 1: golf course. We played the Nike event out there the
Speaker 1: fall of my senior year, and I couldn't believe how
Speaker 1: just cool and unique that golf course was. I mean
Speaker 1: just in dense forests and nature. It is just this
Speaker 1: kind of beautifully carved out eighteen hole golf course and
Speaker 1: there's some really cool Part Three's just a lot of
Speaker 1: unique holes. You never played the same hole twice, it was.
Speaker 1: It was really a kind of unexpected gem for me
Speaker 1: that I always knew Pumpkin Ridge was nice and obviously
Speaker 1: the USN there with Tiger is a legendary, but I
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting the course of that awesome. It was really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard of that too. They have that web
Speaker 2: event out there and Vince India was saying he loved
Speaker 2: that place. It's it's just I just signed the bucket.
Speaker 2: I gotta get out there. So you know, obviously you're
Speaker 2: kind of calling card Win. Was the NCAA regional up
Speaker 2: at coler where you beat you know, great Field. I
Speaker 2: mean you look down the name and names of that.
Speaker 2: You know, you had Toasty from Florida. You had Tom
Speaker 2: Deetree who's are a one on the Challenge Tour, top
Speaker 2: three in his first start on the European Tour as
Speaker 2: a full member. You know, Charlie Danielson and he had
Speaker 2: four time All American tell us a little bit about
Speaker 2: that win, and I remember I was playing a tournament
Speaker 2: that same week and conditions were just brutal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was cold out there in color
Speaker 1: which definitely helped the Midwest teams that were there a
Speaker 1: little bit because I know UCLA came out there in
Speaker 1: Florida came out there, and Florida State was out there too.
Speaker 1: They're coming from I mean May and Florida is like
Speaker 1: the middle of summer, so I know, but there was
Speaker 1: the conditions were tough. But I we played in snow
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before at our home event in Columbus,
Speaker 1: so the cold wasn't really bothering us too much last spring.
Speaker 1: And yeah, winning that event, I was just I was
Speaker 1: just playing really well. It just had my mind pretty clear.
Speaker 1: I was it was either that it was going to
Speaker 1: be my last event or I was going to play
Speaker 1: good enough to play one more time for Ohio State
Speaker 1: and just didn't didn't let the situation get too big
Speaker 1: or anything, and just plugged away and played some really
Speaker 1: good golf, started petting really well, and the final round
Speaker 1: I started on the back nine and we were the
Speaker 1: last team to go off for the last groups to
Speaker 1: go off, because I was there's an individual with another teammate,
Speaker 1: Will Grimmer, but yeah, it was I had no idea
Speaker 1: what the other guy with the you know, Florida toast
Speaker 1: he get shot on his front nine. I turned a
Speaker 1: three under and I thought I was still going to
Speaker 1: need to make a bunch of birdies even have a chance,
Speaker 1: and made a couple more, and then I made a
Speaker 1: couple of bogies and asked my coach after coming off
Speaker 1: my seventeenth hole what I needed to do, and I
Speaker 1: just was asked him what I need to do to
Speaker 1: make a tens of ways because I knew the low
Speaker 1: guy from a non advancing team made it. And he's like,
Speaker 1: you're leading by one and you're in nscublaze by four
Speaker 1: right now, And I was like, I just I had
Speaker 1: no idea. I was like, what I thought, I was
Speaker 1: still going to be a few behind, and he even wins.
Speaker 1: So then I just kind of made a couple of
Speaker 1: good swimmings on the last hole, made to get two cut,
Speaker 1: and it just kind of happened. I never really had
Speaker 1: thought about it that much. The whole week just plugged away,
Speaker 1: and you tried to keep playing good golf and was
Speaker 1: fortunate enough to play good enough buff to win.
Speaker 2: So you've you know, you won two State ams, you
Speaker 2: won this, you won it was a lone star invitational too.
Speaker 2: Are you do you like to know kind of where
Speaker 2: everybody's at, and you know, are you are you a
Speaker 2: leaderboard watcher like or are you somebody that just kind
Speaker 2: of likes to go about their business obviously you know,
Speaker 2: winning is a tough thing to do and always curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm definitely a leaderboard watcher. There's there's no way
Speaker 1: around that. For me. I didn't know what the Florida
Speaker 1: guy was that at the turn, but when I made
Speaker 1: the turn, I definitely looked and I tried as hard
Speaker 1: as I could to figure out what he was at,
Speaker 1: but there was no real leaderboards out there at the
Speaker 1: State Am. I stare at him just seeing what holes
Speaker 1: kids are through, you know, if they've got Bertie holes
Speaker 1: coming up or whatever. When it's and I point out
Speaker 1: that I really want to do this in the final
Speaker 1: round when it's the back nine, and I always talk
Speaker 1: about with my coach John Perna that you know, you
Speaker 1: you have you have a strategy to get yourself in a
Speaker 1: position to be able to contend and when. But when that,
Speaker 1: when it's the back nine, the final round, whether it
Speaker 1: be the forces, third round, everything else gets kind of
Speaker 1: thrown out the window and it's a different game. You
Speaker 1: gotta you know, you're gonna have to make some different decisions.
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to kind of see what other guys
Speaker 1: are doing, how low you're gonna have to go, how
Speaker 1: many burgers you're gonna have to make, And I know
Speaker 1: some people have a very different opinion on that, but
Speaker 1: that's had the system I've always went with and seemed to,
Speaker 1: you know, kind of rise to the occasion when it's
Speaker 1: crunch time like that. So it's a system I'm going
Speaker 1: to stick with moving forward, and it's just kind of
Speaker 1: the way I've always gone about doing it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I definitely watched the leaderboards and like to like to
Speaker 1: know exactly what it is that I need to do,
Speaker 1: and if it puts a little bit more pressure on myself,
Speaker 1: so be it. It's just what needs to get done to
Speaker 1: trying to win the event.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine to get yourself into that position where you
Speaker 2: have a shot, you have to be playing pretty well
Speaker 2: and have kind of full control of the game. So
Speaker 2: it's you know, a place where you can kind of
Speaker 2: push put the pedal to the metal a little bit more,
Speaker 2: and you know you're probably hitting really good golf shots already, right.
Speaker 1: Exactly, And you know, you get to that point where
Speaker 1: you can even be in position to win an event,
Speaker 1: you have to be playing exceptional golf. So put in
Speaker 1: a little bit, put a little bit more pressure on
Speaker 1: yourself and understand, you to make a couple of birdies,
Speaker 1: isn't isn't really that big of a deal in the
Speaker 1: grand scheme of the golf even playing that week to
Speaker 1: get into that position. So you just got to kind
Speaker 1: of accept it and own up to it and just
Speaker 1: make it happen.
Speaker 2: So outside outside yourself, you know who are who are
Speaker 2: some guys and some names that you know golf fans
Speaker 2: should be keeping an eye out that are either playing
Speaker 2: WEB or Latin America Canadian Tour. You know that could
Speaker 2: really be great players at the next level, or are
Speaker 2: still in college for that matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, obviously, coming out of Illinois, Nick Hardy is I'm
Speaker 1: just really good. He just killed everybody at the state
Speaker 1: down this year. But I played some pretty good golf
Speaker 1: to shoot what I did and that second place with
Speaker 1: him by ten, So that was incredible. I may have
Speaker 1: had great success at Illinois and other amateur events and
Speaker 1: US Open stuff like that, so.
Speaker 2: I made a joke. I thought I thought I could
Speaker 2: keep it in if if if I had made the
Speaker 2: cut of the State am I'm pretty confident that I
Speaker 2: would have kept it within forty shots of Hardy.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, he was. He was on a different level
Speaker 1: that week. That was just fun to be to be
Speaker 1: a part of that because I think me and the
Speaker 1: even me and the guy who finished in third place,
Speaker 1: we broke the you know, previous scoring record to par
Speaker 1: for state ams, but we still lost by ten and eleven.
Speaker 2: It was that course set up was I mean, it
Speaker 2: was just for you guys that hit it and just
Speaker 2: vomb it, and it was just a wedge and putting
Speaker 2: contest for you guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, And he's a he's a really good wedge
Speaker 1: player and an exceptional cutter. So that was really no
Speaker 1: surprise when you think about it. But other guys Jonathan Garrick,
Speaker 1: he went to u c l A, played the Canadian
Speaker 1: Tour this summer. He's a he's a guy known for
Speaker 1: a long time. Our samways were old friends and he
Speaker 1: grew up in California. But he's he's just a really
Speaker 1: good player, hits it awesome as an awesome short game,
Speaker 1: and he's he's definitely a guy to look out for.
Speaker 1: He's played a couple of web events. I think he
Speaker 1: played and played in Mexico and Maacoba.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: He's just a guy that I just think he's he's
Speaker 1: really good and you know when whenever it is that
Speaker 1: he's going to break through and make it to the
Speaker 1: top level, he's going to do it. And then I mean,
Speaker 1: the guy played with the college Will Grimmer, he's, you know,
Speaker 1: the fifty nine kid. I know he'll get a chuckle
Speaker 1: out of that. But he played the US Open when
Speaker 1: he was sixteen at Pinehurst and had a pretty exceptional
Speaker 1: freshman season, making regals as an individual last year and
Speaker 1: just had some had some really good finishes and got
Speaker 1: second at the Jones Cup last year too, which is
Speaker 1: pretty awesome achievement. So he's he's always a kid that
Speaker 1: you got to keep your eye on. He knows his
Speaker 1: game maybe better than anybody else I've ever been around.
Speaker 1: Just hits it awesome, throws and darts with his hybrid
Speaker 1: club and he's just he's gonna be really good for
Speaker 1: a really long time. Absolutely loves the game of golf
Speaker 1: and loves loves golf course architecture and everything else too.
Speaker 1: So he was a fun kid to have on the
Speaker 1: team and definitely could I learned a lot from Even
Speaker 1: though he was a freshman. I was a senior last year.
Speaker 1: It was nice to have a kid on the team
Speaker 1: like that, and I could take his brain a little bit,
Speaker 1: and I think it made both of us better. M H.
Speaker 2: It's interesting the you know, guys that get it done
Speaker 2: in different ways. People always talk about like their dream
Speaker 2: for some I think having guys with different games like
Speaker 2: to watch, you know, it's like you don't want all
Speaker 2: the bombers in there, Like that's a good question. Who
Speaker 2: would you if you were going to pay to watch
Speaker 2: four guys play golf? I'm a PGA tour, which four
Speaker 2: would be in that foursome?
Speaker 1: I would probably have to pay to watch. I want
Speaker 1: Steve Stricker in there because from what I've heard from everybody,
Speaker 1: his wedge game is just absurd. I've seen him hit
Speaker 1: one WEG shot in my life, and that was when
Speaker 1: I was randomly at Medna on one Monday and he
Speaker 1: was playing an outing out there and he hit one
Speaker 1: into the ninth hole of course one and I like
Speaker 1: kind of standing right there and it came a flat,
Speaker 1: It skipped once and it was like three feet behind
Speaker 1: the hole and it was just like, it's a really
Speaker 1: hard wed shot at Madia. It hit that wed shot
Speaker 1: one hundred times growing up, and just that he was,
Speaker 1: you know, just out there entertaining guys in a corporate
Speaker 1: and just threw that little wegshot in there. And I
Speaker 1: played with Daniel Chopra on a Monday qualifier a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago for the John Deere and he said
Speaker 1: his wedge game is just ridiculous, Like he just hits
Speaker 1: these little balls in there that don't really spin. They
Speaker 1: just take one hop and stop at whatever yard she
Speaker 1: wants them to. So I think that'd be cool to watch.
Speaker 1: I think Dustin Johnson just because he's kind of a freak,
Speaker 1: even though playing with my little brothers like playing with
Speaker 1: Dustin Johnson, but he'd be a fun guy in there.
Speaker 1: And then I think you'd want to have someone who
Speaker 1: could just put the absolute eyes out of the ball,
Speaker 1: maybe even like Lauren Roberts. He just has the silkiest
Speaker 1: putting stroke. I watched him at the Champions Tour event
Speaker 1: last year down here in Naples, and it was just
Speaker 1: even washing. Him patted in like three footers. It's just
Speaker 1: smoothest putting stroke you've ever seen. It'd be fun to
Speaker 1: watch a guy like that just poured in from all
Speaker 1: angles all day.
Speaker 2: You got, you got one more spot is a big cat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh no, it might be. Oh man, now
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pickle. I would just all to force him,
Speaker 1: might have to be filled, just so you get the
Speaker 1: betting angle in there, just so you get to just
Speaker 1: so you get to watch the money game unlined. And
Speaker 1: having Lauren robertson there too, just chopping some bombs for
Speaker 1: some big cash would be a pretty pretty fun spectacle
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like Lauren Roberts would negotiate getting some
Speaker 2: pops and then he would just you know, drain everything
Speaker 2: all day. He'd probably fill his teammate, you know the
Speaker 2: old guys. I mean, I guess Strickers old too. You know.
Speaker 2: I like that you got you got a very interesting
Speaker 2: group of personalities in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that would if we wanted to
Speaker 1: like have a professional golf money game on ESPN Under
Speaker 1: the Lights. I think your first foursome of DJ Long,
Speaker 1: Robert Stricker and Phil is definitely a head turner. I
Speaker 1: think I'd get the viewers in for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, that's the thing that bugs me is like,
Speaker 2: you know, they talk about these like you know, made
Speaker 2: for TV things, and they always go for like, you know,
Speaker 2: the big four names, Like, but if you got some
Speaker 2: different guys with the personality contrast to their games, Like,
Speaker 2: I don't understand why they're you know, they always want
Speaker 2: to do these made for TV things with just four guys.
Speaker 2: Why don't you do like four foursome So there's like
Speaker 2: a lot of golf being played.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they want to. They want to do like
Speaker 1: an under the Light skins game thing. It's got to
Speaker 1: be like three or four groups, you know, And that
Speaker 1: way you could at least have you could have the
Speaker 1: whole field on two holes maybe, but it would be
Speaker 1: more than just four guys, because then if you got
Speaker 1: two the guys that are squeezing that you know, made
Speaker 1: for TV event in between a couple other events and
Speaker 1: aren't that into it or aren't that aren't playing that great,
Speaker 1: then it's just like it's not even that fun to watch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. You know, if they, you know, ever
Speaker 2: put me in charge of something like that, that's what
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm changing. So you know, down in Florida,
Speaker 2: what's it like? Have you gotten to know a lot
Speaker 2: of the mini tour guys down there? And like, do
Speaker 2: you guys you get regular games down there yet?
Speaker 1: I've played in a few. I haven't. I moved down
Speaker 1: just before New Year's uh so I was down a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks before I left for Columbia and I've
Speaker 1: only been back two and a half days now. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I've met a few guys. I've gotten in a couple
Speaker 1: of games and some local courses down here. I went
Speaker 1: and played in a minor league Golf Tour event over
Speaker 1: by Jupiter before I left for Columbia, just to get
Speaker 1: some competiti of reps. And that's not some major tagon
Speaker 1: lingo now, but it's all about the reps. But yeah,
Speaker 1: just I've got some guys at the club I joined too,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna try to play in a few games
Speaker 1: like that and so many tour events. But kind of
Speaker 1: that's a nice thing about having full status down there.
Speaker 1: Now I can set up my schedule so when I'm
Speaker 1: back home, it's more just getting prepared to try to
Speaker 1: play as play as good as I can when I
Speaker 1: head down to Latin America. So you know, if I
Speaker 1: play well enough down there, it'll open some more doors
Speaker 1: down the road and I'll be able to play in
Speaker 1: some other events and possibly some web dot Com tour stuff.
Speaker 1: So kind of shifted my focus a little bit from
Speaker 1: playing and a bunch of the games and mini tour
Speaker 1: stuff to just kind of use my time down here
Speaker 1: to get prepared to go play as good as I
Speaker 1: can on the Latin American Tour.
Speaker 2: That's smart. So you've finished eleven last week in Bogata,
Speaker 2: so you got full status. You know what, uh what
Speaker 2: country are you most? I mean you're going to be
Speaker 2: all over Central and South America? Like what are what
Speaker 2: are some of the sites you're most excited to go see?
Speaker 1: Term that I'm really looking forward to. I know that
Speaker 1: my friends that played on the tour last year said
Speaker 1: it was awesome. Is the Dominican Republic open at Teeth
Speaker 1: in the Dog, which is much to my chagrin at
Speaker 1: Pete Die Golf Course, but I've heard it's beautiful and
Speaker 1: it's on the ocean, and it's in the Dominican Republic,
Speaker 1: So put those a couple of things together, you really
Speaker 1: can't go wrong. So that'll be a fun one. And
Speaker 1: then some of the some of the more interesting countries,
Speaker 1: like there's an event in Nicaragua. My cousin out in
Speaker 1: San Diego is a huge surfer and he's already expressed
Speaker 1: that he wants to come caddy for me and in
Speaker 1: that event because it's twenty minutes away from one of
Speaker 1: his favorite surf breaks in the world. So I might
Speaker 1: have a surfer slash caddy down there for that event
Speaker 1: that week. And I think there's just some really cool
Speaker 1: I've heard Buenos Aires is just an incredible city, so
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to checking that out. And that's the
Speaker 1: second event of the season. And yeah, and Antigua is
Speaker 1: another place that I've heard is pretty awesome. And then
Speaker 1: probably the last one that's gonna be cool to check
Speaker 1: out is Ecuador. Playing golf right in the equator is
Speaker 1: going to be kind of crazy. That's it ten or
Speaker 1: so thousand feet, which is even higher than bo Guita was,
Speaker 1: so the ball goes even farther there and it's right
Speaker 1: in the capital city of Quito, which is right on
Speaker 1: the equator. So that'll be just just a unique experience
Speaker 1: that you can honestly really only find on the Latin
Speaker 1: American Tour, which is going to be I have never
Speaker 1: traveled out of the country just because I've always played
Speaker 1: golf tournaments kind of during breaks, and I've always geared
Speaker 1: all my travel so much towards golf. It would be
Speaker 1: cool to almost study abroad and be able to play
Speaker 1: golf at the same time. Like I kind of tell
Speaker 1: people who aren't you don't know too much about golf
Speaker 1: that I'm almost going down to Latin America's like going
Speaker 1: to grad school for my golf degree, just studying abroad
Speaker 1: and getting more experience and playing some events. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to it. It should be a
Speaker 1: cool time traveling around down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is cool. I mean I spent like ten
Speaker 2: days down in Argentina last year right before I started
Speaker 2: this thing, and it's cool. Man. I got to play
Speaker 2: the Jockey Club down there, which is like a Mackenzie course.
Speaker 2: Really cool. I mean, it's what a great experience to
Speaker 2: get to, you know, travel around down there, learn, you know,
Speaker 2: learn how to be a pro in some pretty cool spots.
Speaker 2: How do you go about figuring out distances that you're
Speaker 2: hitting the ball when you change altitudes. I've always wondered that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a hot topic when we were down
Speaker 1: there or Bogata. Everyone was trying to figure that out. Ogata.
Speaker 1: Was it about eighty seven hundred feet or so? Was
Speaker 1: the course? Was that so it was about twelve to
Speaker 1: thirteen percent. So we just kind of converted basic yardages
Speaker 1: of you know what two hundred yards was at that
Speaker 1: elevation and so down So we just we just kind
Speaker 1: of did some old school math like that, me and
Speaker 1: my dad on the bag. And it was a good
Speaker 1: thing my dad was on the bag because math is
Speaker 1: not my forte kind of as a golfer. Unfortunately, I've
Speaker 1: always had a bit of a problem with numbers, never
Speaker 1: really succeeded that much in math classes, So having him
Speaker 1: on the bag was a help. And I also use
Speaker 1: this app called flag high Pro, which you can plug
Speaker 1: in at your home course. How fire club goes. You
Speaker 1: put in all the conditions, like what elevation your home
Speaker 1: course is at, how far your bawl usually goes. At
Speaker 1: each club, you put in the temperature and the humidity
Speaker 1: and then you can when we were down there, I
Speaker 1: plugged in how warm it was, what the humidity was,
Speaker 1: and what the elevation was, and it was converting my
Speaker 1: club yard just for me. So I just kind of
Speaker 1: wrote those down to having this reference. But it was
Speaker 1: going crazy far down there, you know, me and the
Speaker 1: group I was playing the practice round with the second
Speaker 1: practice round day on eighteen four eighty yard part four.
Speaker 1: We all had like foreigner gap, wedge and pitching ledge
Speaker 1: into it. Just some one ninety four. There was a
Speaker 1: part through the last round and I hit pitching ledge
Speaker 1: that landed in the middle of the green and rolled
Speaker 1: out a little past the flag, just because when you
Speaker 1: get a tea box, it's a little elevation there and
Speaker 1: you're already a crazy elevation. It just makes the ball
Speaker 1: fly that much further, and the higher you get it,
Speaker 1: the further it goes. And you're a pretty high ball
Speaker 1: flight players. So yeah, I hit some hit some miron
Speaker 1: shots that went pretty far and some t shots that
Speaker 1: went pretty far down there too, which is it's fun
Speaker 1: to play if you can control it. It can get
Speaker 1: a little annoying and aggravating if you're losing control of
Speaker 1: your ball up there and it keeps flying longer than
Speaker 1: you think it's going too, or not as far as
Speaker 1: you think so. But it's definitely a little different. But
Speaker 1: the apps that they have out nowadays with that flag
Speaker 1: high sploss so definitely makes it easier for us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I bet it's are you big like track man guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I use it. I like to use it while
Speaker 1: I'm in more of my practicing modes. I won't use
Speaker 1: it a ton this time of the year around tournaments,
Speaker 1: just because all the information. I kind of want to
Speaker 1: know what everything is and what it's all saying. So
Speaker 1: I kind of can overwhelm myself a little bit this
Speaker 1: time of the year and get a little too technical
Speaker 1: if I look at too much. But yeah, it's an
Speaker 1: awesome tool to use when you're working on your game
Speaker 1: and stuff.
Speaker 2: I bet it's just awesome for like wedge wedges, like
Speaker 2: you know, okay, this is going exactly this number.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, absolutely it's I mean you see every week
Speaker 1: on two of those guys all have them lined up
Speaker 1: behind them. And I know from when I've been at
Speaker 1: some web dot Com events walking with some guys, the
Speaker 1: tracks Man guys just kind of roam around the range
Speaker 1: and asking you need to check anything out, You can
Speaker 1: have them set up shop and get all your distances
Speaker 1: for that week.
Speaker 2: If you want what you know with your game, you know,
Speaker 2: what would you say your strength is and what where
Speaker 2: do you what are you working on the most to
Speaker 2: kind of get your game to the next level where
Speaker 2: you can be playing on the web and then eventually
Speaker 2: the tour.
Speaker 1: I think my strength is just always been scrambling and
Speaker 1: somehow shooting scores around even par, even on my worst
Speaker 1: ball striking days, and back in the day I had
Speaker 1: some heroically bad ball striking days. The last couple of years,
Speaker 1: I've been grinding with my instructor on getting more consistent
Speaker 1: with ball striking and driving the ball and just overall
Speaker 1: my control of the golf ball.
Speaker 3: And we've made some pretty big stride, which has shown
Speaker 3: in the level of golf that I've been improving too
Speaker 3: over the last couple of.
Speaker 1: Years, so we know we're on the right track there
Speaker 1: and we can keep improving. But my strength has always
Speaker 1: been just my short game and shipping and pitching the
Speaker 1: ball and putting especially they're just kind of par saving
Speaker 1: putts and just kind of grinding my way to shoot,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever is I need to shoot that day.
Speaker 1: I've always taken pride and knowing that I can miss
Speaker 1: thirteen greens in around but still shoot even par I
Speaker 1: think help years you got Texas A and M I
Speaker 1: hit hit two or three greens in around, still shot
Speaker 1: seventy one. Just had like twenty one pots or twenty
Speaker 1: pots or something like that. So I've always had the
Speaker 1: short game and I've always been able to grind it out.
Speaker 1: So I know that as long as my ball striking
Speaker 1: gets better, that part of my game is never going
Speaker 1: to leave. Some of those two things come together, it's
Speaker 1: a pretty good combination and I could shoot some low scores.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean it's it's an art to be
Speaker 2: able to get the ball in the hole and something
Speaker 2: that not everybody can do. It's you know, I think
Speaker 2: my game's opposite. I hit the ball really good and
Speaker 2: people are always like, how do you shoot seventy six?
Speaker 2: It's so fucking frustrating.
Speaker 1: So we got to think another thing go ahead, and
Speaker 1: I just need to keep working on is wedges. You
Speaker 1: just see these pros and these web dot com guys
Speaker 1: when they get on courses that have good greens. And
Speaker 1: the conditions are nice. I haven't really seen that on
Speaker 1: the web dot com yet this year, but it's coming.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you that they'll shoot them just ridiculously low
Speaker 1: numbers for the week. And that's just because they're so
Speaker 1: good with their wedges and short irons. They just have
Speaker 1: so much control over them and they can really have
Speaker 1: the ball doing whatever they wanted to do. So just
Speaker 1: get into that level and getting to the level when
Speaker 1: you know you're playing well and you've got some wedges
Speaker 1: in your hands being able to shoot six, seven, eight
Speaker 1: under park because you're you know you're going to make
Speaker 1: four or five birdies with your wedges in any given rounds.
Speaker 1: So that's definitely the thing that I'm working on right
Speaker 1: now and kind of grinding on and is just trying
Speaker 1: to get my get the level with my wedge game
Speaker 1: up there too, you know, that pro caliber level.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think wedges with every single level of golf, Like,
Speaker 2: if you look at somebody that's a tier above you,
Speaker 2: they're probably a lot better with their wedges. I mean,
Speaker 2: like it's I don't think it's possible to be too
Speaker 2: good with your wedges. I guess that's kind of the truth.
Speaker 2: With anything in golf. But yeah, it's an area where
Speaker 2: you can improve so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, like what Dustin Johnson said last year, he
Speaker 1: just practiced wedges for the first time last offseason. Then
Speaker 1: he came out last year and no one could really
Speaker 1: touch him. I mean, he was playing just at an
Speaker 1: unbelievably high level of golf and it was just because
Speaker 1: he had just started practicing his wedges. And that's the
Speaker 1: testament to you know, just kind of the freaky is
Speaker 1: but also testament to how important wedges are and if
Speaker 1: you if you get your wages going good, it just
Speaker 1: and that can make you unstoppable when you start hitting
Speaker 1: everything else.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he's just he's a freak. It's just crazy
Speaker 2: to me how little he works and how good he is.
Speaker 2: But I think he works harder than people give him
Speaker 2: credit for. So yeah, we got a ton of quick
Speaker 2: Twitter questions here. You know, there's a lot of a
Speaker 2: lot of action on your brother who you know. I
Speaker 2: saw it for the first time at the State AUM
Speaker 2: this year. He was on your bag and like I
Speaker 2: did like a triple take because he's like a he
Speaker 2: looks just like you, but it's like seven foot two,
Speaker 2: so you know, who hits it further you or your brother.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, my brother hits it way farther than I do.
Speaker 1: I like to think it's close sometimes, but it's really
Speaker 1: not close at all. I mean, he it's to the
Speaker 1: point where if I don't hit a good, I don't
Speaker 1: hit my driver. Well, it's two iron up next to
Speaker 1: my driver, so that always keeps me on my toes.
Speaker 1: He's you off first, and I see he's got the
Speaker 1: two iron, and I see him hit it well, and
Speaker 1: it was put the pressure on me to make sure
Speaker 1: I hit my drive good or else I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: He's gonna be talking some obviously smack about how he
Speaker 1: drove me again with his two iron. But he's he's
Speaker 1: insanely long. He's getting a lot better now too. He's
Speaker 1: his game's getting tighter. He's learned how to put it together,
Speaker 1: and he's the kid that he can figure out a
Speaker 1: couple of things in this game. He's gonna be scary
Speaker 1: good because he's got exceptional touch for a guy that
Speaker 1: hits as long as he does too, So I'm waiting
Speaker 1: for that breakthrough to happen. But yeah, he he bombs
Speaker 1: up by me.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, is he he's at Florida.
Speaker 1: Atlanta, off Florida Golf Coast.
Speaker 2: Oh, at that school that had that crazy good basketball
Speaker 2: team for like a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Dunk City.
Speaker 2: So you know, uh with that, you know too much
Speaker 2: of the chagrin. You know, I saw that Will is
Speaker 2: a member of the push cart mafia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he he does. He does push when he has
Speaker 1: to play in tournaments and carry his own back, which
Speaker 1: is it's a little it's a little unfortunate. He cites
Speaker 1: it on his that he has a scoliosis or something
Speaker 1: because he's too tall and his back screwed up. So
Speaker 1: that's what he tries to place it on. He's like,
Speaker 1: my back's too long to be healthy because one liner
Speaker 1: he said to me before. So but yeah, he unfortunately
Speaker 1: he pushes. I'm pretty strong on you know, push cart mafia.
Speaker 1: But it's just might feel a little bit of ignorance
Speaker 1: and hard headedness. But I'm sticking to it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a recent convert to push kart mafia.
Speaker 2: I hate to admit it, but just you know, in
Speaker 2: a tournament doesn't make me any sense to me. Why
Speaker 2: you would you know, like when you think about like
Speaker 2: athletic competitions, like, Okay, you know, the shoulders are an
Speaker 2: integral part of your golf swing. Why would I put
Speaker 2: like thirty pound bag on my shoulders for four hours? Like,
Speaker 2: how could that possibly help you.
Speaker 1: Four hours? That's being generous. If we're playing at tournament,
Speaker 1: you're probably carrying it for six Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking that the bags down on the ground
Speaker 2: for most, you know, for long periods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, there's that's definitely. Uh, it's an
Speaker 3: extremely valid point. And I don't I uh people that
Speaker 3: push that doesn't bother me at all. I completely understand it.
Speaker 3: I just for me, it's just it's such a small thing.
Speaker 3: But having to like walk around every green. I've tried
Speaker 3: it before, and that just drives me nuts. And like
Speaker 3: having to like walk around bunkers and maneuver around and
Speaker 3: when you're playing early in the morning and you're pushing
Speaker 3: your cart and all the dude's spraying up onto you.
Speaker 3: Those are just a couple of things that a couple
Speaker 3: of times I tried it. I did use it for
Speaker 3: some thirty six all.
Speaker 1: Days in college golf, and I have to admit my
Speaker 1: back and shoulders felt much better at the end of
Speaker 1: the day. But I'm also kind I have a hardhead sometimes,
Speaker 1: so I stuck with carrying it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like the Sunday bag too, but the problem is,
Speaker 2: like I hate putting it down on the ground all
Speaker 2: the time. Like somebody's got to come up with one
Speaker 2: that's got like a good stand, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's like a like a little kick thing
Speaker 1: that could kick out of the top of it, so
Speaker 1: you could I have like a little steak that keeps
Speaker 1: your club heads. And because the problem with Sunday bag
Speaker 1: is the grips get wet because most of the Sunday bags,
Speaker 1: water just goes right through them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and it's just a pain of the ask
Speaker 2: when it's always on the ground. I just I don't know,
Speaker 2: but I use that for a couple of tournaments this year.
Speaker 2: I liked it, but I didn't like it, you know.
Speaker 2: So uh, you know, passe here has a pretty loaded
Speaker 2: question favorite former Alni and favorite member at Medina. Now
Speaker 2: keep in mind, I'm a former Aliini, so I'm man.
Speaker 1: This is he's put me in a really bad position
Speaker 1: with this question, asked you and I know I know
Speaker 1: he did it maliciously too, I would so favorite member
Speaker 1: at Medina. I probably I'll have to go with Patty
Speaker 1: on that one. He's uh, He's always a fun guy
Speaker 1: to see around the club and we've had some really
Speaker 1: awesome rounds of golf together. We played I think there
Speaker 1: was two springs to go. We didn't get one in
Speaker 1: last year, which was unfortunate, but we need to get
Speaker 1: another one like this and again we played. We went
Speaker 1: out on three one afternoon, probably keep off around three
Speaker 1: o'clock and just me and him. We walked eighteen holes
Speaker 1: and a little under two and a half hours, and
Speaker 1: it was just the most enjoyable, perfect day, nice brisk
Speaker 1: ground of golf. There was no waste of time or
Speaker 1: anything like that. Fortunately there was nobody in front of us.
Speaker 1: And he was giving me. He's given me some crap
Speaker 1: because I was trying a point at the time, so
Speaker 1: I was taking a little bit too much time on
Speaker 1: the green figured out my aim point line and you know,
Speaker 1: doing sign language to myself, figuring out how how much
Speaker 1: the put was going to break. But we had some
Speaker 1: fun out there, and that was definitely one of the
Speaker 1: most fun guys I've played with around there. And then
Speaker 1: favorite former line, I I'm sorry, I think I have
Speaker 1: to go with my man Alex Burge on that one.
Speaker 1: We had some we played some great tournaments together and
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of fun to seeing each other
Speaker 1: at events. And we had a great championship match at
Speaker 1: the CDGA at Mollwood. He beat me on the last hole,
Speaker 1: but it was a great thirty six old final match.
Speaker 1: He played strop play in that event that year together too,
Speaker 1: and he's always been a really fun guy to play
Speaker 1: tournaments with and see around the events. And I know
Speaker 1: he's in the golf industry right now working for Excel Sports,
Speaker 1: I believe, so I look forward to seeing more of
Speaker 1: him in the future. And he's just he's an awesome guy.
Speaker 1: I've seen him at Radis Cup events and stuff too,
Speaker 1: and he's just a fun guy to be around. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sorry to you and Papa on that one,
Speaker 1: but I have to go with Burge for favorite former.
Speaker 2: Alhini's all right, you know, no hard feelings here, but
Speaker 2: I think mister Mott turtleneck might be a little butt
Speaker 2: hurt from that one. So you know, what are some
Speaker 2: of your favorite holes on MEDNA three And you know
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on Dokes redo of one?
Speaker 1: So my favorite holes on three. I think my favorite,
Speaker 1: my one favorite hole on the golf course is whole twelve.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the I know that there's some
Speaker 1: people don't like that hole. I think it's a little weird.
Speaker 1: I think the pitch of the fairway is awesome, and
Speaker 1: just the left to right. It's not a dog leg,
Speaker 1: but the whole, the entire hole kind of moves left
Speaker 1: to right, the ground moves left to right. There's that
Speaker 1: awesome lake right of the green and the holes the
Speaker 1: green's perched above it. I just anytime we're playing evening
Speaker 1: golf out there, whenever we get to twelve, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a really cool approach shot and you hit some
Speaker 1: good shots in that hole to walk away over the car.
Speaker 1: And then I think one also is one of my
Speaker 1: other favorite holes, just because that's by far the easiest
Speaker 1: hole on the golf course, and it's it's always nice
Speaker 1: when the first hole is a little driver in a wedge,
Speaker 1: and especially to anyone you're taken out there for the
Speaker 1: first time you play hole one with them and they're thinking, oh,
Speaker 1: this course isn't too bad. It's not too hard, and
Speaker 1: then the course just likes to punch in a face
Speaker 1: a couple of times from two through eighteen. So one's
Speaker 1: just a fun hole because it's a really easy starting hole.
Speaker 1: It's a good way to get the round started. And
Speaker 1: then dope of course one. I think there's definitely some
Speaker 1: quirks about it. There's some interesting things that he did,
Speaker 1: but overall, I think it's it's a really fun golf
Speaker 1: course and the blessing you know. Of course one was
Speaker 1: just a pretty uninspired design before them redo and the
Speaker 1: back then especially was quite boring with a bunch of
Speaker 1: par fours in a row. It felt like you played
Speaker 1: the same hole almost eighteen times out there, and I
Speaker 1: did have a lot of fun matches on that course
Speaker 1: growing up, but it was nice to have him come
Speaker 1: in and spice it up a little bit and give
Speaker 1: it a lot more character and just make it a
Speaker 1: lot more fun to play. Now there's some the front
Speaker 1: nine's awesome bell for what he said to that whole
Speaker 1: of the great golf will now. So yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I really there's a lot of people out there that
Speaker 1: are gonna that don't like what Dog did at all
Speaker 1: with one. I think it's kind of quirky or whatever,
Speaker 1: but it's not it's not a little course three like
Speaker 1: Course one had always been. Now it's its own unique
Speaker 1: golf course. And we're in a position now at the
Speaker 1: club where we're gonna have three unique, eighteen whole golf courses,
Speaker 1: which is something not a lot of other clubs in
Speaker 1: the country can say. So I think that's going to
Speaker 1: be really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's uh, let's say, you know, I think
Speaker 2: Olympia used to be four, which is crazy to think about,
Speaker 2: but you know, a Dinah, Yeah, it's I think you've
Speaker 2: got your three is just you know, in my mind,
Speaker 2: it's it's really hard. I think it needs a little
Speaker 2: bit of character. I think everybody knows my my feeling
Speaker 2: for the Jones family is not one of you know,
Speaker 2: of warm, fuzzy feelings. So I'd love to see that
Speaker 2: one get, you know, a little bit of a facelift
Speaker 2: by someone that you know doesn't believe in just dismantling character.
Speaker 2: But the I'm excited to see one in two when
Speaker 2: it's done. But so let's use a couple of quick
Speaker 2: questions here, and we're running up on our fifteen, so
Speaker 2: we got some rapid fires from Brett. What's your favorite
Speaker 2: golf course? Hot Dog? I know this is an important
Speaker 2: question for him.
Speaker 1: Man, it's I'm gonna put it in the hot dogs
Speaker 1: family because it's not a hot dog done but Olympia
Speaker 1: fields further code Olympic Clubs burger dog is unbelievable to
Speaker 1: transmiss out there last year, and it's a hot dog shaped.
Speaker 1: I guess you'd call it Patty on a hot dog bun,
Speaker 1: but it's a burger with cheese in the middle of it,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's unbelievable. I had my brother was
Speaker 1: caddy for me out there last year, and he the
Speaker 1: two rounds I put out there he might have had
Speaker 1: in a practice line. I think he had eight or
Speaker 1: nine and I had I had less than that, and
Speaker 1: I only had three or four. But they're incredible. He
Speaker 1: was every time he passed a halfway house, he had
Speaker 1: like one in his bib and one in his hand.
Speaker 1: He was just chowing down him. This I think the
Speaker 1: best food he's ever aten. But uh yeah, for me too,
Speaker 1: that's definitely my best golf course hot dog I've had anywhere.
Speaker 2: You know, Skokie's got a really good hot dog, I
Speaker 2: think too. They do they split the hot dog, which
Speaker 2: I think is like so underrated. You know, they split
Speaker 2: it down the middle and then put it on the grill.
Speaker 2: I think that's like the you know, it's it's a
Speaker 2: key to a good hot dog. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, the guys out at Halfway House at course you'll
Speaker 1: do that too. If you tell him to the butterfly
Speaker 1: it for you, they'll split it and then throw it
Speaker 1: on the girl. That's how my dad because always got
Speaker 1: him done out there. So yeah, absolutely, that's a great call.
Speaker 1: It's uh definitely definitely spices it up a little bit
Speaker 1: and makes it better.
Speaker 2: I actually heard from my fiance who's in the ad
Speaker 2: world and is that hot dogs are gonna be like
Speaker 2: the new Burger, which I don't buy it, but that's
Speaker 2: what she says. So yeah, it's good good news for brus.
Speaker 1: I'm a huge I'm a huge burger guy too, so
Speaker 1: I think that's why I gravitated towards the burger Dog.
Speaker 1: Olympic Club because it combined combine the best you know,
Speaker 1: ninth pole snack and probably my favorite American cuisine of
Speaker 1: a cheeseburger.
Speaker 2: So hit a home run for me there, all right,
Speaker 2: Olympic Club, it's on the list just for the burger Dog,
Speaker 2: not just you know, because of the great golf course.
Speaker 2: So what's the purest boom tower you've ever hit in
Speaker 2: your life? And how many alarms do you set to
Speaker 2: wake up in the morning. This is from Logan and
Speaker 2: I just I'm curious about the purest boom tower.
Speaker 1: Logan he was a teammate of mine at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: He's fun, you got to have on the team. Countless
Speaker 1: great memories from our time together at Ohio State. But
Speaker 1: purest boom tower I've ever hit. I'd like to first
Speaker 1: clarify with a boom tower is my teammate Sean Bush
Speaker 1: came up with boom tower our freshman or sophomore year
Speaker 1: because we have this huge cell tower at the end
Speaker 1: of our range at Ohio State, and depending on where
Speaker 1: we're hitting at on the tee and what the winds
Speaker 1: out that day, if you hit a good enough drive,
Speaker 1: you can actually hit the tower on the fly and
Speaker 1: it makes this huge noise of the ball just rattling
Speaker 1: around in all the metal there. So he did it
Speaker 1: one day freshman year and just the all boom power
Speaker 1: and we just it stuck with our whole team and
Speaker 1: whenever a guy hit a big t shot and a
Speaker 1: practice round or anything like that that would always get
Speaker 1: called out. But the purest one I've ever hit was
Speaker 1: probably at Regionals last year on the last hole at
Speaker 1: black Wolf Front on the meadow of course, and I
Speaker 1: poll it was just tough win and tough te shot
Speaker 1: and I just sat up there and bombed a little
Speaker 1: cut out there, and it was it was a tough
Speaker 1: t shot because I knew I had a one shot lead,
Speaker 1: and that was a shot I had to navigate around
Speaker 1: and was able to hit one out there pretty good
Speaker 1: and left myself a short iron into the green instead
Speaker 1: of a mid or long iron. So that's definitely the
Speaker 1: one when I saw that question was on the docket,
Speaker 1: stuck out in my mind that I had to bring
Speaker 1: up as my purest boom tower.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, there's nothing better than hidden, just a
Speaker 2: pure golf shot under intense pressure. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of why we practice and plays to
Speaker 1: make the most of those opportunities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. I don't know how you feel, but
Speaker 2: I get I'm nerveier early in rounds than later in rounds.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, it definitely can depend on the circumstance a
Speaker 1: little bit. But yeah, especially what I've always found tough
Speaker 1: is the first day in a big tournament, kind of
Speaker 1: just getting those first three or four holes out of
Speaker 1: the way, because those could be you know, you're the
Speaker 1: club maybe feels a little heavy in your hands, or
Speaker 1: when you're walking around at your feet feel a little lighter.
Speaker 1: You're just not fully comfortable in the situation yet, So
Speaker 1: those can be the the most nerve wracking moments of
Speaker 1: the toughest ones to navigate around, just waiting to get
Speaker 1: comfortable in the round.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's see best Illinois like as a high
Speaker 4: school junior golf tournament, Like, what's the best one that
Speaker 4: you played in?
Speaker 2: And just in the state of Illinois. And this is
Speaker 2: from Derek.
Speaker 1: I think the most memorable one for my junior golfer
Speaker 1: in Illinois has to be the the Medina Shriner Tournament
Speaker 1: that was held out at Medina every spring thirty six
Speaker 1: holes when I was growing up. It was on courses
Speaker 1: one and two one in the morning, two in the afternoon,
Speaker 1: and which has recently switched that I know they've been
Speaker 1: playing course three the last couple of years, which is
Speaker 1: it made me very jealous, but yeah, just everyone would
Speaker 1: thanks and come out, and obviously it was me going
Speaker 1: out to my home course to playing a tournament, and
Speaker 1: it was just the blast, eating lunch in the clubhouse
Speaker 1: in between the rounds and getting to play the two
Speaker 1: courses I grew up on, and it was always Course two.
Speaker 1: It was only sixty three hundred yards and not a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble on it. It's tight, but it was
Speaker 1: pretty short and pretty easy. But everyone seemed to play
Speaker 1: better in course one. And everyone got to course too.
Speaker 1: The greens are smaller and a little quicker, and it
Speaker 1: seemed to give people headaches. So it was always it
Speaker 1: was just a lot of fun playing that event with
Speaker 1: all your friends. And you know, back in high school
Speaker 1: and middle school, getting to miss a day of school
Speaker 1: for it too. It's just always good memories.
Speaker 2: Cool. It's I mean, I always remember junior whenever you
Speaker 2: got to play a great golf course was the best.
Speaker 2: You know, it's getting off the local munis and onto
Speaker 2: the country clubs was always fun. So we'll end with
Speaker 2: a couple quick hitters here. So golf tournament you most
Speaker 2: want to play in in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh well, if it's a twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: probably the US Open. Okay, I'd love to get through
Speaker 1: qualifying for that. I made it through to sectionals last
Speaker 1: year and didn't play that well a sectionals, but I'd
Speaker 1: love to have another chance at that. And I think
Speaker 1: if I'm looking at tournaments to play in this year, yeah, definitely,
Speaker 1: the US Open sticks out is number one on my list.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's a good one. So if you were,
Speaker 2: you know, if you were in a PGA Tour event,
Speaker 2: who would you most want to be paired with for
Speaker 2: the first two rounds of your first PGA Tour event.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's a really good question. Probably guys that would
Speaker 1: that would just be a fun time to play with.
Speaker 1: Random one, but this sticks out, Jerry Kelly. He seems
Speaker 1: like he'd be a super fun guy to have the
Speaker 1: first experience with it. You know, he'd make you feel
Speaker 1: comfortable and he'd just be a relaxing guy to be
Speaker 1: out there with. You know, it wouldn't It'd be tough
Speaker 1: to play in a first tour event with a you know,
Speaker 1: a huge name or a guy that is super serious
Speaker 1: out there, because whenever you're playing a first event, whether
Speaker 1: it was a first big amateur event from here or
Speaker 1: usam or something, it could be you know, a little intimidating.
Speaker 1: So being with guys that would make it easy and
Speaker 1: as enjoyable experience as possible be awesome. So I'd say
Speaker 1: a guy like Jerry Kelly. And this goes against everything
Speaker 1: I just said too, but it'd also be just sweet
Speaker 1: to play with Tiger Woods in a two event. That
Speaker 1: would just be my dream. So I gave two exact
Speaker 1: opposite answers to the spectrum there. But that's what I'm
Speaker 1: sicking with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have like everything that you don't want with Tiger,
Speaker 2: big crowds. He'd probably be a nice guy. New Tiger
Speaker 2: is a nice guy on the golf course. Yeah. And
Speaker 2: then so you know five horses that you most want
Speaker 2: to check out and see in the near future, so
Speaker 2: you know, kind of like your five bucket list places
Speaker 2: you want to play.
Speaker 1: That's a good one too, think shore Acres. I've never
Speaker 1: played the Shore Acres for I'll put two Chicago ones
Speaker 1: in their Shore Acres and Old Elms. Those are two
Speaker 1: places that I've never been up to in the Chicago
Speaker 1: land area and that I'd really like to check out for.
Speaker 1: I want to head up to Sand Valley. I've always
Speaker 1: played kind of golf Wisconsin My family's always gone up
Speaker 1: to Kohler and Aaron Hills for some family trips, so
Speaker 1: I think to head up to Sand Valley up there too.
Speaker 1: It would be awesome. Another kind of Midwest one. Crystal Downs.
Speaker 1: I've always I've heard nothing but awesome things about that place,
Speaker 1: and it's not too far from Chicago, and that's kind
Speaker 1: of another area course that I'd like to knock out.
Speaker 1: And then other than that, just kind of.
Speaker 3: The I think the biggest one on my list is
Speaker 3: just the Cypress Point. We played out at Pebble in college,
Speaker 3: and I'd been out and monerated before, and I played
Speaker 3: a lot of courses in that area, but the one
Speaker 3: that you.
Speaker 1: Always drive by, and you know, we hopped out of
Speaker 1: the car and walked back to the cliffs a couple
Speaker 1: of times to check out sixteen fifteen at Cypress. It
Speaker 1: just looks like it's heaven on earth. So that's that's
Speaker 1: probably at the top of my list right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that place looks so good. My grandpa,
Speaker 2: I guess, used to get he'd get this two week
Speaker 2: he knew a member out there, and he'd get a
Speaker 2: two week pass to play out at Cypress. Back in
Speaker 2: the day. Like I think this was in the sixties
Speaker 2: or seventies, and one time he had a friend come
Speaker 2: out and like he was so pissed because his friend
Speaker 2: really wanted to see pebble, so he had to leave
Speaker 2: Cypress for a day to go play pebble.
Speaker 1: And that's an awesome story. I'm jealous of my mom
Speaker 1: there with Cyprus because I think she played either three
Speaker 1: years in college in an event there, maybe all four years.
Speaker 1: So she says she's played Cyprus around thirteen to fifteen times.
Speaker 1: So that's and you know, Cypress to her, she's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've played out there quite a few times. It's not
Speaker 1: really a big deal to her. She's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful golf course, it's a beautiful piece of property.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, it's Cypress Point. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: it doesn't get really any better than that. So I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, me too, just got it. It's a place
Speaker 2: you just patiently wait, all right. And last question here,
Speaker 2: who's your favorite architect alive or dead? To play.
Speaker 1: Cheth Rayner. He just there's just something about I can't
Speaker 1: It's just every time I go to a Seth Brainer Place.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm just gonna play a super classic golf course.
Speaker 1: I'm going to know exactly what a few of the
Speaker 1: holes are going to be like, I'm going to know,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of overall strategy of how he
Speaker 1: wants you to play the golf course and where you
Speaker 1: need to attack, and the holes that are going to
Speaker 1: be available for you to make some birdies on and
Speaker 1: the holes that you're going to have to navigate around.
Speaker 1: So I've had pretty good success on Seth Rainer courses
Speaker 1: in the past, and I've never really played a Seth
Speaker 1: Rainer course that I haven't loved, so I would have
Speaker 1: to say Rainer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean really good. Everything he said so true.
Speaker 2: I just I got to cross another one off last
Speaker 2: week at Mountain Lake. Just you know, can't go wrong
Speaker 2: when you build a golf course that is centered around
Speaker 2: you know, the greatest golf holes you know of all time.
Speaker 2: It's just if you build your core strategy around there,
Speaker 2: it's like really hard to mess up in my mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely awesome. Man.
Speaker 2: Well, hey, I hope everybody listening got to hear. But
Speaker 2: give TK a follow and add them to your favorite
Speaker 2: players On a Latin American Tour, which kicks off in
Speaker 2: a couple of weeks. Tk's really good Twitter follow too,
Speaker 2: so looking forward to following along while you start your journey.
Speaker 2: And best of luck, and we will be uh, we'll
Speaker 2: be cheering from the sidelines.
Speaker 1: Man, absolutely, thanks for having me on. And I love
Speaker 1: everything you're doing with the golf course overviews and the
Speaker 1: template holes all that stuff. It's it's awesome, and love
Speaker 1: reading all about it. So keep doing what you're doing
Speaker 1: with the Frida egg. I love falling along and love
Speaker 1: reading your stuff.
Speaker 2: All right, man, Well we'll get a game I'm in
Speaker 2: here soon when I'm either down in Florida or up
Speaker 2: here in Chicago, so be well.
Speaker 1: Man, absolutely looking forward to it. Thanks again,