WEBVTT - Pod Meets Twirl'd: Married at First Sight 2006 & 2007 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.440 Welcome to Bud meets Tworld, a podcast that began with 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.919 Dancing with the Stars, wandered through castles, survived beaches, and 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.000 spent an entire season debating the social hierarchy of cocktail parties. 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.400 Along the way, Will and I rift on what I 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.600 thought was a hypothetical observation. Maybe arranged marriage isn't the 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:32.280 worst idea. Apparently our producers were listening. So now we 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:35.440 are watching Married at First Sight season twenty, a show 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:37.839 where complete strangers meet at the altar, say I do, 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:40.920 and only then begin the awkward process of discovering whether 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.320 they have anything in common whatsoever. We are Wilfordell, who 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.120 loves love and believes marriage should be about the marriage, 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:50.880 not the wedding, and Right or Strong, who loves love 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.640 and made one observation about arranged marriage and is now 0:00:53.680 --> 0:00:56.520 being forced to defend it for an entire television season. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.000 Join us as experts, therapists, family members, and complete strangers 0:01:00.160 --> 0:01:04.680 all attempt the oldest social experiment in human history with confessionals. 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:08.880 This is pod meets Twirled. All or Nothing? How you 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:09.280 doing well? 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:12.360 I'm good? I'm sorry, writer? What what is this show 0:01:12.400 --> 0:01:13.880 called all or Nothing? 0:01:14.360 --> 0:01:14.480 No? 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:19.000 What is it Meredith for ciders. Is it maps maps? 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.720 Yeah, the acronym M A F S has been what 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.040 has been going around, and it just sounds like a disease. 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:32.240 Mass mass got a bad case in the mass. 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.600 From a jet ski, good public toilet and a jet ski. 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:36.920 It can't happen. You can get maps from a jet ski. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:37.440 You can. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:42.360 This show is turning for me. It's making me very uncomfortable. 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.600 Really, when did that happen when they when they left 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:46.399 the honeymoon phase? 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.600 Just like a regular relationship exactly. 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:52.440 It's really because even when it's good, I'm like, now 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.920 I'm like I feel invasive, when I'm like a fly 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:56.680 on the wall. When people are happy, I'm like, well 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:59.200 now I'm just judging them when they're fine, and then 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.880 when they're in fight, it's painful to watch, Like the 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:03.480 Nikki Sean stuff is rough. 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.400 That's brutal. That's brutal. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.520 It's really hard. 0:02:06.760 --> 0:02:10.080 Yeah, there's a couple and here's the thing, there's a 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:12.560 couple couples, which I like to say as often as 0:02:12.600 --> 0:02:16.320 I can, there's a couple couples that I've completely and 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.200 totally like teams is the wrong way to say, like, oh, 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:21.000 I'm team Nicky or I'm team Sean, Like I'm not 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:21.960 on one team or another. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.359 But there's there's people that I don't know if they're. 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.480 Producing it this way or if it's just the way 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:29.080 that it's working out. 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:30.079 But there's people where I was. 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:32.560 Like, oh, I'm I get where they're coming from, and 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:35.760 their partners really not helping, and then it's switched to 0:02:35.840 --> 0:02:38.080 where it's like, oh, now I think it's your fault 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:40.080 of the stuff that's going on. And that's happened to 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.680 me with a couple of the different couples that we've had. 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:46.720 I feel like, I mean, I'm I'm impressed in general 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:52.120 with how sensitive everybody is, Like how I guess I assumed, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.320 you know, maybe and this is because of just not 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:57.480 having watched that much reality, but I assumed Reality TV 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.160 was like a bunch of kind of superficial people, or 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.919 like the way that they would present themselves would be 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.480 a little more like posturing. And actually, like everybody on 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.280 this show is pretty good like tapping into their feelings, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:12.840 talking about what they're going through, you know, even like 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:15.520 Adam and Marissa, who are like sort of a caricature 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.240 of like the everything's great. 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:18.280 The bro couple. 0:03:18.400 --> 0:03:21.000 When she opens up at the dinner, I was like, dude, 0:03:21.080 --> 0:03:23.760 she's got great insight, like she's saying, you know, so, 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:25.280 I don't know. I'm just I'm I guess. 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.679 I think was raised by parents to where your feelings 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:29.560 matter when they yes. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:33.240 So you think it's too much that you think these 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.600 people are like over Oh really yes, Oh my god, 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:37.440 you're so old. 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.160 School the helicopter parent like your eight and your feelings 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:41.720 are important. 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:43.160 No, they're not shut up into your job. 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.120 But both Marissa and Adam came from not like not 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:49.920 helicopter parenting, right. They both talk about how they didn't 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:50.120 have that. 0:03:50.200 --> 0:03:53.320 They're the least connected to their feelings of everybody, I think. 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:55.680 And I think they can still articulate it pretty well. 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.240 You wonder the Heisenberg principle, though, You wonder just basically 0:03:58.600 --> 0:04:00.560 how much of it is being put on for the cameras, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.360 Like I hear like every time I hear Nikki and 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:03.480 Sean talk to each other. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:04.160 They're the worst. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.240 These are just two human beings that would never talk 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:08.800 like this if the cameras weren't around them. 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.320 About that, maybe not to this extent. 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:14.560 Soue and I started doing it it's hysterical, like I 0:04:14.640 --> 0:04:18.039 hear you, I hear the process, but I feel that 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:19.120 you're gaslighting me. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.680 When gaslighting came out, I was like, there it is. 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:25.440 It's like all those deals were there's some toxicity to 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.960 our problematic processing. And I'm like, oh, don't say those 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.839 words anymore. Just like this is TikTok. You've read, you've 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.520 read all the advice columns, you've read every self help 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:38.800 book as it comes out, the seven Habits of highly 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:41.800 Effective Communicators, and you are just playing it to no. 0:04:42.120 --> 0:04:43.760 I want the two of them to just like put 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.039 on boxing gloves and punch each other. Like that's where 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.040 I'm at. I'm like, guys, see that you guys should 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:49.840 just get naked, have to be naked in front of 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:53.280 each other and wear boxing gloves and then have an argument. 0:04:53.320 --> 0:04:55.160 Do you know what I mean? Like be vulnerable, but 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:58.000 then also be like armed to the teeth and like 0:04:58.279 --> 0:05:01.159 go at it. Because they're playing it so safe and yet, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:03.400 like they point out, their egos are still so big. 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:05.919 Like both of them, they both think that they're gonna 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:09.520 win even without being aggressive. So they're like passively aggressively 0:05:09.520 --> 0:05:11.480 trying to one up one another, trying to hurt one another, 0:05:11.880 --> 0:05:12.599 and it sucks. 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.320 If you're trying to win, you're not in a relationship, 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:16.440 you're not even in an argument. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.159 If you're trying to win, it's like you're just not 0:05:18.240 --> 0:05:19.240 listening to the other person. 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:21.640 I mean, yeah, I mean the distinction. And I think 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.919 we've talked about this before, like for me, like the 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.599 distinction between and I had a friend of friends point 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.000 this out. We were talking about relationships and argument, Like, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.040 having conflict is obviously inevitable, having a disagreement obviously inevitable, 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:36.760 and but the difference between like an argument or a 0:05:36.800 --> 0:05:39.680 conflict and a fight is when you start trying to 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.880 hurt one another, like when you're actually trying to you know. 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:43.680 And I had to realize that, like when my wife 0:05:43.720 --> 0:05:46.000 and I would be in arguments and I'd be like, oh, 0:05:46.440 --> 0:05:49.520 I'm now just trying to hurt you, and like, you know, 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.080 and like being able to recognize that in myself, like 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:54.520 because of course it's like it, you know, because you 0:05:54.560 --> 0:05:56.200 get hurt and then you're like, well, I'm gonna hurt you, 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:58.919 and it's like that's when it's never going to go anywhere. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.400 And again, that's a lot of times in an earned relationship, 0:06:01.480 --> 0:06:03.960 not the week, the first week you've been married. 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:06.520 I know, it's amazing. 0:06:06.560 --> 0:06:08.039 I thought this was the end at the end of 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.280 season or episode seven, I thought it was over. I 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:10.680 know it. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:12.400 I mean, these are two people that are now just 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:14.000 here because neither of them want to look like they 0:06:14.000 --> 0:06:15.440 gave up on national health exactly. 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:18.280 He even says it. He's like, I'm committed. Yeah, And 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:19.400 it's like, what does that have to do what? 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:22.000 Well, I'm committed to this podcast writer. I hear you. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.000 I'm processing what you're saying. 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:26.720 I just feel like there's something a little problematic in 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:30.440 the way you're gaslighting me. There's a little it's it's 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:32.320 a passive toxicity that. 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.600 You're very controlling. Ryer, you're very controlling. 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:38.480 Well, sometimes you could be a little crazy, and that's 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:43.240 quoting your words back crazy. I definitely have learned that 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:45.240 lesson have you? Have you ever made the mistake of 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:48.000 calling somebody crazy? Relationship? 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:48.880 No? 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.040 I had a drink thrown in my face once midfight. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:52.320 Are you serious? 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:53.720 I compared her to her mom. 0:06:54.240 --> 0:06:54.640 Oh. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:56.159 I was like, you know, you're more like your mother 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.400 than you And before I got the R and mother out, 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.000 the drink with ice and everything was right in my face. 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:02.520 Yeah, that's intense, dud. 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.840 Yeah, security was called at us at a hotel. It's 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:06.800 never happened before. I was like twenty three. 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.279 Oh my god. Was this somebody who had been dating 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:09.800 for a while. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:11.520 Yeah, we've been together for like a year and a half. 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:15.040 Yeah, well that's yeah. 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.480 And because I've never been into like a fighty kind 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:23.160 of relationship ever, and she was she got hot, man, Well. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.880 Maybe you got hot. She was trying to cool you down. 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.680 You were the one on five. It worked. 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:30.080 Oh hey, okay, have drink thrown in face once in 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:30.760 life check. 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:32.280 Yeah. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:33.800 So wow. 0:07:33.960 --> 0:07:36.240 Yeah, don't ever compare them to their mother. If they 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:37.320 don't get along with their mother. 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.080 Yeah, that's probably a bad call, not a good thing. 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.480 Yeah. No. A lot of this reads like it's like 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:45.080 a Reddit post, Like it feels like it should start 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.520 like I'm Nikki forty six female and my partner Sean, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:49.360 forty four male. 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.520 It's like, okay, this is you guys just shouldn't be together. 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.000 It's just painful because, like I it's it. They're both 0:07:55.440 --> 0:08:00.000 they're both very articulate, they're both very they're very good 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.920 at like presenting, and so it's just becomes this like 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.160 you like I said, I just want them to scream 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.720 at each other or or not and just like you know, 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.360 lay down and whisper to each other. But because this 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.160 like talking in circles, it's like the worst. It's like 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.080 it's it all like whenever they are talking, it feels 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:19.400 like they've already been talking for six hours and we're 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:20.920 not getting anywhere, do you know what I mean? 0:08:21.000 --> 0:08:23.800 And it's like that's circular conversation and you're like. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.720 This is it's over in the morning and we're having 0:08:26.760 --> 0:08:29.280 this fight and we're still and neither one of us 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:30.760 are willing to let it go. Like yeah, and I 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.920 hate that feeling. That is like literally the worst feeling 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.160 in the world that I you know, just never want 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:35.800 to be in again. 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:37.640 My love one of them. 0:08:37.480 --> 0:08:39.160 I mean, he kind of at one point said, I'm 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:40.960 giving I'm relinquishing it. I mean, you think one of 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:42.880 them just has to give up the powers. It like, okay, 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:44.440 one of them has to be the alpha. It's like, 0:08:44.720 --> 0:08:46.840 all right, fine, if that's what you want to do, 0:08:46.880 --> 0:08:48.319 then yes, you're in charge. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:49.720 But that's what he was doing at the end of 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.520 I think that's what he was saying when he's like, 0:08:51.880 --> 0:08:54.600 it's all me. I'm I don't want to fight anymore, 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.040 you know. And I think like he was trying to say, like, 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.280 I will take responsibility, but of course he was in 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.240 a way to sort of I think, so she had 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.480 to be the one to say, okay, I will also 0:09:05.559 --> 0:09:07.840 take responsibility, which she's not about to do never. 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.079 No. Yeah, this is one of the switches where it's 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.240 like he's I don't buy him in this relationship. But 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:13.880 now I'm like, all right, something's wrong with her in 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.960 this relationship, and I think I know what it is. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:18.720 We've talked about this. She walked down the aisle, she 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.160 saw him. I think you're right. She didn't realize that 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:22.080 was going to be her husband. 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:24.400 When she figured out that was her husband, she was 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.680 horribly disappointed. And now it has to look like she's 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:29.760 been trying hard and he's terrible to be with and 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:31.520 they're going to break up and it's not her fault 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:31.839 at all. 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.000 That's I think, what she's trying to do, and it 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.679 ain't working. The two of them just shouldn't be together, 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:37.400 all right. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.880 Let's move into episode six, when everybody's moving into new places. Now, 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.560 I didn't quite get this so they get like a 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.680 neutral apartment, yeah, to move into. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.160 Yeah, they both shared cohabitate until they then because then 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.840 there's an episode if it's if it's like the old 0:09:50.880 --> 0:09:53.320 school series, then there's an episode where they have to 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:56.640 decide if they're going to stay together, which one of 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:57.920 their places they're going to move into. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.480 Yeah, they reference that in this, and I was like, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:03.839 so you're not fully married yet, do you know what 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:07.600 I mean? Like that sounds like there's a commitment choice moment. 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:09.520 Yeah, okay, that's yeah. 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:11.720 You come you're married, legally married, and it's like do 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.240 you want to stay together or do you want to 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.920 get divorced before then? Because I mean every marriage and 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.880 relationship there's all these logistical, like actual logistical fundamental issues 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:23.520 you have to talk about. One of them is well 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:25.840 I have an apartment and you have an apartment, so 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:27.840 are we keeping one apartment? 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:28.960 And it leads to fights. 0:10:29.040 --> 0:10:31.320 Some people are like I'm not getting rid of my place, 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:32.520 and the other person's like, wow. 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:33.880 So that's what we're to look forward to the next 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:35.439 exact exactly. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:37.240 They you know, it's all that kind of stuff where 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:38.360 it's like are we living together? 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:39.079 What are we doing? 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:41.040 Let's both get rid of our places and get a 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.800 new place together. And then it's like, well, I'm not 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:44.319 sure I want to make that commitment. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:46.880 While ninety percent of them haven't even had sex, Like 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:49.640 it's so weird. Yeah, So how do you make these 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:52.680 decisions when you're like still processing whether you can be 0:10:53.600 --> 0:10:55.760 intimate with this person, let alone spend the rest of 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.440 your life being intimate, Oh my god? 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.360 Yeah, or you can be with somebody like Courtney who 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.960 doesn't want to be into or have deep conversations and 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:02.520 you just kind of. 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.960 Go, great, then what the am I doing here? Courtney? 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:08.720 So she's I take it she's not your favorite anymore. 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:10.960 It's not that she's not my favorite, it's just somebody 0:11:10.960 --> 0:11:13.600 that clearly is not ready for this process, right, I 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.640 mean she seems like a very nice person who's got 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:16.640 a ton of credit. 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.840 I would say, how can you be ready for this? 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:20.280 This show is bonkers and this is. 0:11:20.400 --> 0:11:22.240 Like but you got to at least be open to 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:24.560 the idea that it's like you're they're pairing you with 0:11:24.559 --> 0:11:25.959 something if you never watched the show. 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:28.239 It's like I'm saying, of like, court the people. 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:29.680 On the show have to know exactly what this show 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.520 is and so if you come in going, hey, I'm 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:34.280 not ready to be intimate in any way. 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:35.560 And that doesn't mean sex. 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:38.400 Any source of hands and holding hands, kissing, even like 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:41.200 getting under the covers and staring at each other with 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.439 the lights off and like telling each other stories and 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:44.160 intimate things. 0:11:44.040 --> 0:11:44.679 Close to each other. 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:46.600 That's being intimate. You know, you don't have to touch 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:49.400 each other. And then when you know, some people are like, yeah, 0:11:49.520 --> 0:11:51.800 oh god, I hate those deep conversations too. It's like, well, 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.560 then what are we doing here? Like you're just not 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.680 you're you are not ready for this process. And I 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.760 think I think there's a couple of people that are 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:00.800 like that. M hmm. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.080 All right, Well we see uh Felippe and Tory moving 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.160 into the new place. He's afraid of heights, Adam and 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:10.480 Marissa hanging up the jet ski. Oh dude, it's like 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.400 it's like carrying her across the altar and here's the 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.680 jet ski key. It's going right there, babe. Katelyn Devin. 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:19.960 I love this fake plant moment where she's like, wait, 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:22.679 that plant's real. I was like it was like that 0:12:22.679 --> 0:12:24.960 twenty eight days later thing. Remember we talked about how 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:26.319 like you have to be able to take care of it, 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:30.000 and she's like, no, no, no, I kill everything. I was like, oh, red. 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:32.599 Flag, I cannot have killed this plant. It cannot have 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:33.199 been my fault. 0:12:33.679 --> 0:12:36.199 But it's like she really anything like a plant is 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:39.000 too needy for her. So it's like, Devin, dude, like 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:42.079 you're screwed. Man, Like, if you want anything from her, 0:12:42.200 --> 0:12:44.520 if you have any needs, it's going to be perceived 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.880 as needy like that. It's so clear to me, And 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.840 he is such a good guy. By the end of 0:12:48.840 --> 0:12:51.240 these two episodes, I was like, tell you you were 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.200 doing the best, Like you were working so hard to 0:12:54.240 --> 0:12:56.880 accommodate somebody who I like, I would be so bad 0:12:56.880 --> 0:12:59.000 in a relationship with this person, Like oh god, yeah, 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:04.640 like just I need some yeah, compliments, affections. Yeah. 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:08.000 So your response to is that plant alive? He goes, no, 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:13.199 it's real. Her response was ill clue. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:16.360 And that's a plant in our house? 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.800 Oh my god, is that baby crying again? If you 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.200 feed it? Like whatever? 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:27.040 No, it was yeah, Wow, this is this is Jeff's doing. Yeah, 0:13:27.120 --> 0:13:28.960 you know, you always like to blame Jeff I do. 0:13:29.320 --> 0:13:33.920 I I mean, yeah, I shouldn't psychoanalyze too much because 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:35.800 I'm surprised they haven't brought any of that up. I 0:13:35.800 --> 0:13:37.199 guess they're just kind of leaving the parents. 0:13:37.200 --> 0:13:39.120 I'm not there yet. We'll get it eventually, I'm sure. 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.679 All right. Mecca and bel Jolie are filling up their 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:47.719 closet with her clothes. Nick and Courtney. Nick is a 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:53.680 little lonely, seems like Michelle and Cameron. She's cutting cucumber. 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.199 He wants them thinner. Talks about this moment, which he 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:01.000 brings up a couple of times in these twosoes, about 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:03.200 when they got stuck at the airport, and this is 0:14:03.240 --> 0:14:06.160 like a great moment. And this is one of the 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:13.240 only times on the show when they've referenced off camera moments. Yeah, 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.640 there must be a lot of off camera interaction that 0:14:15.640 --> 0:14:18.960 they're but the which is good. I yes, because they 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:21.880 were just chilling together at an airport, stuck in Pittsford, 0:14:21.880 --> 0:14:24.760 they have a thirteen hour travel day, and like, I 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.160 don't know, he's he's happy because they had that like 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:29.960 an authentic moment and it was off camera. And I 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.200 wish the other people had these too, Like they must 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:34.720 have them. I don't know. I'm assuming they do, but 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.600 it's weird. That they don't talk about them or reference 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:40.160 them anyway. Seems like he's happy with her and she's 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.320 you know, into it too. They're doing pretty well. 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.960 They might be the coming up on the outside couple 0:14:46.040 --> 0:14:48.120 like and coming up on the outside on a nowhere 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.080 Alan Cameron like, it's like, wow, this after this, these 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.200 two episodes, I was kind of like, okay. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:58.120 Right, okay, right, because Phelipe Bantry took a little step 0:14:58.160 --> 0:14:58.800 back in some way. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:02.720 Well he he really took a couple steps back in 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:03.280 my opinion. 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:06.440 Yeah, yeah, okay, we'll get into it. I know, all right, 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:11.600 back with Flip Bantry. He's sad the honeymoon's over, but 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.520 she's saying there's still so much to know about each other. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.440 They are not having sex. It's too early, Nicki and Sean. 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.960 They cheers to a good night's sleep and let's get 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.520 back at it tomorrow. Like it's a freaking job. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.920 I was like, oh, I punch it in the morning, morning, 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:29.760 Nicky morning. 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.800 Ready the six hours of argument get into this. Oh 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:38.000 my god. So this is where we find out that 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:40.880 he called her crazy, which he disputes that he was 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.760 actually quoting her. And these two are just they're both 0:15:43.800 --> 0:15:46.200 good arguers, you know, and I think one of they're 0:15:46.240 --> 0:15:49.320 both used to dominating in a conversation. Like they both 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:51.680 are really good. Yes, Like I feel like in past 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.960 relationships they've been the one who's been able to like 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.440 run the way the argument goes. Do you know what 0:15:56.480 --> 0:15:58.480 I mean? If there is an argument and now they've 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:01.960 kind of met their match, is in some ways a 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:04.360 sign that they were well put together, you know, on 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:05.360 the match making front. 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:08.600 Well, they've said that on paper, Yes, they're great together. 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:11.520 On paper, they have it has whatever you need. They're driven, 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.960 they're both they it seem like they're both spiritual people. 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.000 They're you know, it seems like on paper it's what 0:16:17.240 --> 0:16:19.960 you want. But you get him together and it's just well. 0:16:20.000 --> 0:16:23.320 In her confessional, she talks about the fact that maybe 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:25.840 that she told him that she's not attracted to him, 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:31.040 that's exacerbated some of his insecurities. Ye think, uh, And 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:33.720 so she thinks that he's ratcheting up the conflict, And 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.120 I think that's an accurate reading. Yeah, And it's interesting 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:38.040 that she can't she can say that, but she can't 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:40.000 translate that to how she treats him, you know what 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.560 I mean, Like she could say I am sorry, I 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:45.640 hurt your feelings. You're coming from a place of being hurt. 0:16:45.960 --> 0:16:48.360 Let's just be nicer to one another. And she's not 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.720 even saying that. She's still get into it with him, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:51.560 and like, ugh. 0:16:51.680 --> 0:16:54.200 How do you feel about because this happens oftentimes in 0:16:54.280 --> 0:16:58.400 arguments and it's usually the man who's breaking it down. 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:01.360 How do you feel about this semantic argument of I 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:04.119