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Speaker 2: Welcome to True Crime Tonight on iHeartRadio. We're talking true

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Speaker 2: crime all the time. It's Tuesday, June seventeenth, and we

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Speaker 2: have a stack night of headlines. We do not have

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Speaker 2: a verdict yet in the Karen Reid retrial. I don't

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Speaker 2: know about you all, but I am antsy and anxious

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Speaker 2: about it from head to toe. We're also going to

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Speaker 2: bring you up to speed on all things Diddy. This

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Speaker 2: day was insane in the courtroom. I can'tnot wait to

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Speaker 2: discuss and then also later the Long Island serial killer

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Speaker 2: big development today he had a hearing, so I can't

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Speaker 2: of KAT Studios, where we make true crime podcasts and

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Speaker 2: trial is never ending. Body catch us up to speed

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Speaker 2: on all things Karen Reid.

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Speaker 3: Wait, you want me to catch up? Okay? I was

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Speaker 3: going to ask you, great, I can feel you in now,

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Speaker 3: I can feel you. I'm it's just been hours so

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Speaker 3: far up deliberation. What is happening behind closed doors right now? Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you a brief rundown of what happened today.

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Speaker 3: There's been some questions from the jury, which you know,

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Speaker 3: whenever there's a jury question, it gives you a little

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Speaker 3: bit of insight into what they're thinking, right, Like, sure,

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Speaker 3: depending on what questions they asked. Well, they asked four questions.

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Speaker 3: Four questions, so that was pretty exciting. So yeah, but

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Speaker 3: the verdic clock is still clocking right, sixteen hours and

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Speaker 3: they're going to continue their deliberations tomorrow. They had four questions,

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Speaker 3: Like I said, the first question was what is the

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Speaker 3: time frame for the OUI which is operating under the influence,

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Speaker 3: which is like in other states DUI right, what is

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Speaker 3: the timeframe for the OUI? Twelve forty five or five am?

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Speaker 3: That's the first question. And the judge answered it and

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Speaker 3: she said, you folks have all the evidence. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 3: it's all you who decide the facts of this case. Okay,

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Speaker 3: all right, By the way, can I just jump in

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Speaker 2: Yes, the duy versus the OUI even that is confusing

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Speaker 3: That's just what they call it, Massachusetts of her.

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Speaker 2: Still but like if I had a little clarity question

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Speaker 2: about that, would Judge Bev not give me that information?

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Speaker 3: That's a good question. I don't know. I'm lucky, I'm

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Speaker 3: not a duror. It doesn't seem like she wants to

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Speaker 3: be very helpful, right you know. The second question is

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Speaker 3: are video clips of Karen's interview's evidence and how should

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Speaker 3: they be considered the doctor? Now? That one, to me,

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Speaker 3: to me was the big, the big question to me,

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Speaker 3: and listen, it sounds kind of silly and maybe I'm

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Speaker 3: at least wonder in the jury room is deliberating, is

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Speaker 3: arguing that it's not evidence, like we can't use what

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Speaker 3: it's in regards to how many drinks she had. Maybe,

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Speaker 3: And I get they didn't give us any idea of

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Speaker 3: So the judge's answer for that question the question again

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Speaker 2: lot of conversation for some reason though this one is

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Speaker 2: so divisive, guys, it is it feels like I've gotten

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Speaker 3: It's like under everybody's skin. Yeah, you know, I'm I

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Speaker 3: only one who doesn't necessarily think Karen Read is innocent

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Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't it one hundred in the opposite direction?

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Speaker 3: Literally, the people who are like voting in those polls

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Speaker 3: I mean, they're not deep diving all the idio sequencies

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Speaker 3: Right, So then other question, there's a couple more questions.

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Speaker 6: does convicting with guilty on a sub charge, for example,

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Speaker 6: a fence to number five convict on the overall charge.

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Speaker 3: Now count two is the manslaughter charge. Okay, so that's

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Speaker 3: slips in my mind, it's the duy without I need

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Speaker 3: to get the product slip. But the judge answered, and

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Speaker 3: retrial right of a cop that's been they what they say, murdered, right,

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Speaker 3: and there's still confusion about this vertic slip, like what

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Speaker 2: Not to mention, we also heard that in the first trial,

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Speaker 2: of course, this is the retrial of Karen Reid. In

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Speaker 3: Again and it's and guilty. You know what.

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Speaker 2: I'm very confused, is all I have to say. And

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Speaker 2: that's a tough spot to be in. I'm confused why

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Speaker 2: it's been so confusing, though we should have had a nice,

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Speaker 2: Is also a can of worms that we don't need

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Speaker 3: But I thought this was open and shut. Well I

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Speaker 3: I got it real quick. So it's, of course the

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Speaker 2: and we were just dating this in the studio very recently.

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Speaker 2: I think that she maybe thought that she hit him,

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Speaker 2: and then she realized, holy smokes, I'm being framed. Turtle

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Speaker 2: Boy is he makes a good point.

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Speaker 3: Wait what that happened? Now?

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Speaker 2: Of course she knew of some of these inter dynamics

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Speaker 2: A plus B equal C. And then she starts digging

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Speaker 2: in even herself and realizes, oh my god, these guys

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Speaker 2: of us, feels as though, yeah, I've been framed. But

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Speaker 2: maybe she wouldn't have known it, and like what happens

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Speaker 2: bad night, can be framed.

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Speaker 3: want to be this Joe. I don't know this Joe.

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Speaker 2: But you know, if if Turtle Boy or people hadn't

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a very revered you know, it's

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Speaker 3: Right and they were all friends and these are Boston cops.

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Speaker 2: Back to Karen Reid. So to Karen, battling it out

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, and I think too, justice for John

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Speaker 2: What are And here's a question though, for both of

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Speaker 3: What would we have done differently?

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Speaker 3: Like what how would Karen read prevent this? Again? I

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Speaker 2: And what if there's enough evidence that just shows that

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Speaker 3: Oh my word, Well, I want to hear what Michelle thinks.

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Speaker 3: We have her on the line. I'm Michelle.

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Speaker 5: Hello, how were you?

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Speaker 5: So I haven't no, I have the theory. This is

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Speaker 3: They laid out that really clear case.

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Speaker 4: That's a good thing that indeed, the phone's temperature did

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Speaker 3: know it's from. I just think it's confusing that a

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Speaker 3: bunch of cops would be like, let's throw him a

434
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Speaker 3: fellow police officer in our front yard, and we don't

435
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 3: even know if Karen Reid is going to be coming

436
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Speaker 3: back and seeing us. That's a fair point, you know,

437
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,640
Speaker 3: I just I just don't know how I feel about it. Well,

438
00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,840
Speaker 3: stick around, we're going to be continuing this converse and

439
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 3: give us a call at one eight eight thirty one.

440
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 3: Crime or used to talk about something. iHeartRadio apps. Stick

441
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 3: right here back to Karen Reid. Maybe we should go

442
00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: over the charges, because let's go over the there's more

443
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 3: charges to go over. Well, we never really did. We

444
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 3: were just talking about the jury questions. I thought it

445
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: was more questions. Sorry, well I'm a question asked a lot.

446
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: The questions were such a big deal. It took a

447
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: lot of time and we have a lot to say questions. Great,

448
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 3: so let's go over the charges. Okay, So count one

449
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 3: so that there's basically there's three slips. Okay, verdict slips

450
00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:47,679
Speaker 3: and they're arranged by count. Right, So count one is

451
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,480
Speaker 3: second degree murder, all right, So second degree murder, it's

452
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 3: it's for allegedly intentionally striking John O'Keeffe with their suv

453
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: and causing his death. Okay, that's count one. Nobody thinks

454
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Speaker 3: that happened. Do we all agree? I agree? Everybody raise

455
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,640
Speaker 3: your hands unanimous, disagree eight eight eight three to one.

456
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: Crime call pronto. We want to hear from you. But yeah,

457
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 2: it seems like it wasn't intentional.

458
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: I definitely agree on that. Count two seems to be

459
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 3: the most complicated one. Okay, so count two on the

460
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 3: verdict slip is manslaughter while operating under the influence vehicular

461
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: manslaughter DUI. For count two, the jury must weigh not

462
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 3: only the duy manslaughter charge but also the lesser included

463
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,920
Speaker 3: offenses like involuntary manslaughter, motor vehicle homicide, and operating under

464
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Speaker 3: the influence of liquor. And it's confusing to the jurors

465
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 3: because they see just one like little not guilty box

466
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 3: and they don't know if they check that, does that

467
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,719
Speaker 3: mean she's not guilty for all or where? Yeah, they

468
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 3: don't know. It's all those confused. I'm embarrassed.

469
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Speaker 5: I am too.

470
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Speaker 2: You explained it so well though, Can you imagine, like

471
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Speaker 2: this is a person's entire.

472
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Speaker 3: But listen, this is the second jury he's had a

473
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: problem with this, so it's clearly an issue, right. Yeah,

474
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Speaker 3: I feel like the Commonwealth's gaslighting us all they are.

475
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Speaker 2: And by the way, how a bad if you're John

476
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 2: O'Keeffe victim's family and this is enraging for them. You know,

477
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: they just want some justice. If it's not Karen Reid,

478
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: who is it? But also this confusion, you know it must.

479
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Speaker 3: Feel very unsatisfying. I can't imagine. Well, I can't imagine

480
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 3: for the family. I can't imagine. So count three it's

481
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 3: on the last page of this verdict slip, and it

482
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Speaker 3: is leaving the scene of a personal injury or death.

483
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Speaker 2: So maybe she unknowingly did if she hit him and

484
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Speaker 2: didn't realize it.

485
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Speaker 3: Yeah, like, I mean, that might go like hand in

486
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Speaker 3: hand with count two. Now it's important to remember the

487
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: last question that Durry asked. If we find not guilty

488
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Speaker 3: on two of the charges but can't agree on one,

489
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Speaker 3: is it a hung jury? So what but two counts? Basically,

490
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 3: are they thinking in their heads that she's not guilty

491
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Speaker 3: on is it count one? I think it is. I

492
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 3: think you just are guilty of count one. Yeah, she's

493
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Speaker 3: not guilty. I agree. I find me a man who

494
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 3: says she's guilty of right, I don't. I mean, I

495
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 3: don't think anybody thinks that, well, maybe I'm wrong. I

496
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 3: don't know or like which which ones are they? Are

497
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Speaker 3: they saying that they're thinking that she's not guilty on

498
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 3: And that's really the million dollar question right now.

499
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Speaker 2: And like, isn't one influence in the other. So if

500
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Speaker 2: you're clearly she was under some sort of influence, you know,

501
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: whether it was at five am or twelve thirty, I

502
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,000
Speaker 2: don't think that's you know, disputable that she's been drinking

503
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 2: all day? Does that mean drinking all day? You get

504
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: charged with some sort of you know, do U I

505
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 2: or od I or whatever the language is, and just

506
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Speaker 2: inadvertently as a result of your drunkenness or being under

507
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Speaker 2: the influence you peel out. Those do sort of seem

508
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 2: hand in hand?

509
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: Yeah? They do. I think they kind of go together. Yeah.

510
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Speaker 3: Likely no real jail time though for either of those,

511
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 3: I guess is the other burning question we've been trying

512
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 3: to get clarity on. Obviously it's all very unknowable, given

513
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 3: that lots of things can still happen before the verdict

514
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 3: is announced, But for the play along, you know, is

515
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 3: it possible there's another hung jury? What does that mean?

516
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: Does Karen Reid get tried yet again. I don't think

517
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: the Commonwealth would ever is ever going to do like you. Eventually,

518
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 3: you just have to stop trying.

519
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 7: I can't.

520
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 3: I mean, what are they going to do the rest

521
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 3: or just.

522
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Speaker 4: Not pursue again? Boy that I mean if that happens

523
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 4: and we actually have Sue on the line with a question, Sue,

524
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: what's your question?

525
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 3: Hello?

526
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Speaker 7: Hi, I want to talk about the jury. Yes, I'm

527
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 7: a local too, I'm a local Bostonian. I live in

528
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 7: a surrounding town of Canton. And just how confusing the

529
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 7: I understood the jury sloop myself, but I can understand

530
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 7: why people didn't understand it because it's just so confusing.

531
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Speaker 7: You've got the from it's number two. I think that

532
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 7: it was to number five. I think the jury is

533
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 7: looking at the fifth one, which is the o UI

534
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 7: with the point oh eight, and they's another one too,

535
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 7: But I just think that that's what the jury has

536
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 7: hung up on, is that one. And I feel like

537
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 7: one in three, the first and the third count is

538
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 7: not guilty. So I totally.

539
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,239
Speaker 3: Agree with that. I think you're one hundred percent right.

540
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 3: So I think you're so right.

541
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Speaker 2: I can only imagine, though, what has it been like

542
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: just as a local. This this you know, this case

543
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 2: has made everybody crazy, let alone in the area. It's

544
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 2: probably been a little disruptive.

545
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, it definitely has been, you know, you know the

546
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 7: people's Norfolk County kind of up in arms is an expression, yes,

547
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 7: to how much money has been spent two trials.

548
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't even think.

549
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, on two cases that should have never It should

550
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 7: have never been. Like according to the FBI, they told

551
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 7: them not to try this case.

552
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 3: Let alone twice.

553
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: And it's not like Karen reads a menace to society

554
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: where she's going to, you know, go be reckless right now.

555
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: But again, is that also just us whitewashing it a bit?

556
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: I don't know, Sue, I feel sick over it, Sue.

557
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 4: Speaking of the money, By the way, one expert alone

558
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 4: and the defense attorney hit this really well, I thought,

559
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 4: or just to prove the point, almost a half a

560
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: million dollars was for their crash reconstruction expert. What so

561
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 4: that's one expert in one of these two trials that

562
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 4: the common mosment.

563
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: Wait say that once more. That's yeah, the mind belonged.

564
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 3: So the prosecutions the guy who did the reconstruction with

565
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 3: the blue paint.

566
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the guy said, who dressed up like John

567
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 4: O'Keefe and painted himself? That is paraphrasing what the defense said,

568
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 4: of course, but yeah, that one expert was four hundred

569
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 4: thousand dollars.

570
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: WHOA.

571
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: I was not going to be happy about that too.

572
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure that was not what you were looking to hear. No, no,

573
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: because she's paying for it, right.

574
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

575
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 5: Wow.

576
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: So there was one other thing I wanted to bring up,

577
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: and that was the jury deliberation time. Right. So I

578
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,840
Speaker 3: put together like a little sheet and I went and

579
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: looked up all kinds of cases all right, Like I

580
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: got like OJ Jody, Arius, Kasey, Anthony, you know, like

581
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: the heavy hitters, right, and I looked at how long

582
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 3: the the jury deliverery for and what the outcome was. No,

583
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: you didn't just look.

584
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Speaker 2: So just to give everybody a little insight to what.

585
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,720
Speaker 2: First of all, Courtney has a knot on her forehead

586
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: right now, and it has like an ice patch on it.

587
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: So this is just what I'm just staring at, just

588
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: to set the stage. And then by He's like, yeah,

589
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 2: I just was curious about the numbers. She is a

590
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: full on Excel sheet that looks at some of the

591
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: top cases and how long the deliberation was by hour,

592
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: and then what that equals per day, and then what

593
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 2: the verdict was and drum roll, because it's pretty impressive.

594
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 3: Listen to get an analyst, Yeah, to get your talk

595
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 3: about day. Well, unfortunately it was for nothing. We literally

596
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: learned nothing. So what we learned is that jury deliberation

597
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: time doesn't tell us anything. Right, it does seem random.

598
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: It does seem random. For instance, the Menanda's brothers. The

599
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: first trial, if you remember, there were two separate juries,

600
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 3: there were two separate trials, right. The first trial, they

601
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 3: deliberated for sixteen days for lyle In eighteen days for

602
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 3: Kyle eighteen days. Both ended in mistrial. Both whow after

603
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 3: that many days? Can you imagine? Wait? I just can't.

604
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: The second trial they deliberated for thirty five hours, which

605
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: is roughly six days give or take, and that was guilty.

606
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 3: Now that trial they merged the jury into one and

607
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: there was one one trial for both boys. I say boys,

608
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 3: but they were men. Karen Reid's first trial twenty seven hours,

609
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 3: miss trial. What's another one? Jody Arius sixteen hours? How

610
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 3: do you guilty? And Jody Ai is guilty again. Another one,

611
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 3: Jody Aari is accused of kills. Oh, here's a big one,

612
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: Casey Anthony ten hours and that's right where we are

613
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: right now, Right, that's about where we are with because

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: it was about ten hours and forty five minutes. That's

615
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: where we are right now with Karen Reid, right. I

616
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 3: think it's a few more. Anthony famously not guilty. Right,

617
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 3: So it really is all over the place. LORI vallowed

618
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 3: just recently half an hour. Well, I think that would

619
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Speaker 3: be that we just covered Maxwell Anderson, that we just

620
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: covered fifty minutes, oj four hours, Uh, Chad Davell five

621
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 3: five hours guilty, you know, but that's just what you

622
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: want if your life is on the line.

623
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Speaker 2: Wouldn't it feel better if you just knew everybody felt

624
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 2: very clean and clear about what they saw and what

625
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: they heard, and it was you know, nothing is black

626
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 2: and white, obviously, but that it felt, you know, like

627
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: the debate it was not there's no going back.

628
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 3: Right.

629
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: If it feels this nebulous and so divided and they're

630
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 2: you know, picking out straws and mincing hairs, is that

631
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: troubling and even more scary? I know that's the process

632
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 2: and I still respect it. It's just, you know, a

633
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 2: rrowing thing to be a part of. I feel like

634
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 2: the only thing we know the longer it goes, is

635
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: that not everybody's in agreement. There's healthy debate. We have

636
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 2: to be positive there's healthy debate happening in the deliberation room,

637
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: and we have to respect the process. This is how

638
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: you know, this is the system in which we operate

639
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: in That's a fact.

640
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 3: All right.

641
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 2: Well, we're keeping a close We're keeping a close watch.

642
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: As Courtney's head begins to swell.

643
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 3: It's been that.

644
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 2: Big brain you with Courtney. You were going to fill

645
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 2: us in on the new development in the Matthew Perry case.

646
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, what a tragedy that guy.

647
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: I mean, everyone loved him from friends and you know,

648
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 4: he just seemed like a good human. I actually had

649
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 4: the luck to meet him at a couple of events

650
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 4: and anyway, nice guy.

651
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet he was so nice.

652
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 4: Absolutely. But yesterday the Department of Justice revealed that one

653
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 4: of the doctors, doctor Placentia, who was charging connection with

654
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:47,879
Speaker 4: the ketamine death case, he's agreed to a plead deal

655
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: to plead guilty.

656
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 3: Excuse me, he has agreed to plead guilty to four

657
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: counts of distribution of ketamine, and this plea will be

658
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 3: happening in the coming weeks. The charge carries a statutory

659
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 3: max sentence of forty years in federal prison. Good.

660
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: So, honestly, it's a really serious thing. I mean, obviously

661
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry became the face of this, and we all

662
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: love him. I mean, he's America's sweetheart. But this ketamine drug,

663
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 2: if you guys aren't familiar with it, it is like a tranquilizer,

664
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: and it has a clear look and it's very potent,

665
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: and I you know, it's being used, you know, kind

666
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 2: of widely, certainly in Los Angeles at least as something

667
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: for post traumatic stress or if people are coming off

668
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 2: of drug addiction, and it's being you know, used in

669
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: a medical sense.

670
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: By actual doctors. And that's very specific, right. So I

671
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 3: have a number of friends that do treatment and they

672
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 3: call it they're going to the Kennemen hole, and like

673
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: they they get a lot of relief. Ye, relief.

674
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 4: Well, I think what you're both saying is when it's

675
00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 4: you know, medically and ethically ghost but placentia. Listen, it's

676
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 4: only one of five people who are charged in the

677
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 4: wake of Matthew Perry's death. I mean, he was getting

678
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 4: so much ketamine such an incredibly high level that it

679
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: was it was completely unethical to continue to give it.

680
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 2: And they knew that he was, you know, paying top

681
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,719
Speaker 2: dollar for it. Isn't there a text exchange between this

682
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 2: man who's taken his plea deal or has taken pled

683
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 2: guilty basically was like texting with someone basically making fun

684
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry, like, I can't believe this guy's going

685
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: to pay this price for this much. I'm paraphrasing, but

686
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 2: I mean, what a flippant statement to be coming from

687
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: this Air quotes medical profession who knows full well this

688
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: is a person who's been really dealing with recovery and

689
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200
Speaker 2: should be applauded for that and helped in that cause,

690
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 2: not hooked.

691
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 3: On something else predatory. It's disgusting. Yeah, it's really disgusting.

692
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 4: And the doctors, the texture referring to Stephanie, they really

693
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 4: were so disgusting and dismissive of Matthew Perry said, oh,

694
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,320
Speaker 4: we're really getting one over on him. But listen, this doctor,

695
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 4: doctor Placentia, He operated an urgent care clinic in Malibu,

696
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 4: so you know, of course, but no longer is the

697
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 4: guess on that.

698
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: Wow.

699
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: Good, well, you know you think about that too, you

700
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: know those urgent clinics. That's also been something that's been

701
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: brought into, you know, conversations.

702
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 3: You know. The Queen of Ketamine, for example, is a name.

703
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 2: Now that I've said it, you'll see this case kind

704
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,399
Speaker 2: of heeding up a little bit as well, because they're

705
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 2: figuring out the types of charges. If you're the main dog,

706
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: if it's ketamine or cocaine, it's an enterprise of sorts.

707
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,280
Speaker 3: Anyway, don't get me started.

708
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: We'll be right back true crime tonight, talking true crime

709
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 2: all the time. Diddy and the Long Island serial killer

710
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: stay with us.

711
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: We are heated up on all things. Did he now?

712
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 2: And also Long Island We've got to get into that

713
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: one too. But first we have a talk back, so

714
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: let's go straight to that.

715
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 8: Hi, It's Cynthia from Canada in regards to the Idaho

716
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 8: massacre and the door Dash delivery person. Is there no

717
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 8: way to find the driver through the individual's door Dash

718
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 8: app and through the company itself. Should be able to

719
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 8: track the individual down that way, but I'm not sure

720
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 8: if that's the case. Again in the US versus Canada,

721
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 8: but just thought i'd throw that out there.

722
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Speaker 3: Thanks. Great, good question. Yeah, good question, Cynthia. Well, you

723
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 3: should know that in the PCA, which is the probable

724
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 3: cause effidavit for arrest of Brian Coberger, it says in

725
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 3: there that the door dash driver went to police. So

726
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 3: the police and everyone already knows who the DoorDash driver is,

727
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: so they don't really need to track her down or

728
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 3: him or her down. We now kind of think it's her,

729
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 3: but her identity has been kept secret from the public. Yes,

730
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:03,319
Speaker 3: And I want to say that initially she was protected

731
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: because of what we've learned. And what we've learned is

732
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: that it's possible that Brian Koberger, the suspect in this case,

733
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 3: possibly saw her and looked right at her. So if

734
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: that's true, right, and he is committing a crime and

735
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 3: he goes home and he's like, oh my god, did

736
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 3: that lady see me, she's at risk, right. So they

737
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: keep those kinds of things secret from the public, specifically witnesses,

738
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: because they could be you know, in danger now because

739
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 3: there's an unknown killer on the loose, right who might

740
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 3: have seen this person. So they keep those kinds of

741
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: things secret. Right? So yeah, about the door dash thing, right,

742
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: we talked about the path of it yesterday.

743
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: We were too afraid to talk about it yesterday, and

744
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 2: that was just like a game day decision that we

745
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 2: made as a team because we weren't sure if it

746
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 2: had been verified. Is this appropriate information for us to

747
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 2: have given them? You know, dateline leaks like we don't

748
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 2: want to go were always and we should we every

749
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: day should be gut checking like how do we how

750
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 2: do we share the news that we're following real time

751
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 2: and also make sure that we're ethically not getting off track.

752
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: So the DoorDash stuff I thought was, ugh, I don't

753
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 3: love it. I don't love it, go ahead, body of it?

754
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: Other but so it. Let me just give you a

755
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,359
Speaker 3: brief overview of this door dash situation. So there's a

756
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: recent footage of the alleged DoorDash driver excuse me, linking

757
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 3: Coberger to the murders has been circulating on YouTube about

758
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: eight months ago. A YouTube account. Basically this account follows

759
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 3: or does fo your requests for like drunk driving incidences,

760
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 3: and their whole YouTube channel is just body cam footage,

761
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 3: so it's you know, that's their content and they're allowed

762
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 3: to do that. Nothing wrong with that. And eight months

763
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: ago a video was uploaded and a woman is getting

764
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 3: pulled over for a DUI or an OUI I guess

765
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 3: state dependent, and they take her to the station and

766
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 3: she is talking to the intake officer about her life. Right,

767
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: She's just talking about her life, and she says, you know,

768
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 3: and this is my interpretation of what she says, because

769
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 3: it is kind of hard to hear, so I could

770
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: have some things wrong, but this has also been heard

771
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: by many other people, so it's not just me, and

772
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 3: what she says is And then now I have to

773
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 3: testify in this big murder case here because I'm the

774
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: door dash driver. So yeah, the murder case of those

775
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 3: college girls. I'm the door dash driver. I saw Brian there.

776
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 3: I parked right next to him. So that was made

777
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 3: eight months ago, but nobody noticed it because like maybe

778
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 3: like nobody's watching this that it's also following the cases closely.

779
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 2: Right, also, just to jump into that, nobody's following the

780
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: case that closely that time. And if you haven't been

781
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: following this place, we're talking about the Idaho college murders

782
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 2: where the accused Brian Coburger allegedly murdered for college students,

783
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 2: all in the same location one night. Major overkill in

784
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: the trial's upcoming. And now this footage has been released.

785
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: Who knew this body care channel exists? It sounds like

786
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: so up our ally, but you know, she was under

787
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 2: the influence, allegedly, and you know, is having a tough night.

788
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 2: She has this, you know, she kind of mumbles this

789
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: information about this Brian person that she sees, but then

790
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: she also goes on to say that she also witnessed

791
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: her husband being murdered, right, which we did very seemed

792
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: a little crazy, like when you put that as a totality,

793
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 2: she just seemed like she was having a really wicked night.

794
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: But now it turns out her husband was murdered, right,

795
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 3: she said. I mean, listen, my heart goes out to her.

796
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 3: I mean, she's clearly experienced her fair share of trauma,

797
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 3: and now this, you know, and you know, when we

798
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 3: were talking about talking about this, when we were talking

799
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 3: about talking about this, I was like, I need to

800
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 3: go and verify this information, you know, I need to

801
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 3: somehow to feel good about even talking about this. It

802
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: needs to be verified. But there's no way to verify

803
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,240
Speaker 3: that she's actually the DoorDash driver. So what I did

804
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 3: was I went and verified surrounding things about her that

805
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 3: she told in the body cam footage and everything that

806
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 3: she has said. Matt lines up. But here's this is

807
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 3: right up my alley. I would just kind of it

808
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 3: is like, you have a twinkle in her eye right now,

809
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 3: I do. Well. The reason the reason I have a

810
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: twinkle in my eye, I think it was an incredible

811
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: act of slew thing that was done that found this information. Right,

812
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: So what initially I thought was that somebody foya requested

813
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 3: police reports for everybody that basically starts with mm, because

814
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,439
Speaker 3: that's the only thing we knew about the door dash driver. Yeah,

815
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: mm right, didn't We didn't know anything, by the way,

816
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 3: A wait, for good reason. I wouldn't want to have

817
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 3: my information out there's not so and then doing that,

818
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: they were able to get this bodycam footage and we're like,

819
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 3: oh my god, yeah that's her. So that's kind of

820
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 3: what I think happened because it got flagged by a

821
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 3: totally different account, not the account with the body cam footage,

822
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: totally different account re uploaded it and said hey you guys,

823
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 3: and you know tagged everything Idaho for all the victims' names,

824
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: you know, everything, so that it would appear in the

825
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 3: algorithm for I to hope people. And yeah, it's very interesting.

826
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Speaker 4: I have to say, my heart goes out to this woman. Yeah,

827
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 4: because too, you know. And just assuming she's obviously she

828
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 4: has been arrested in this footage, that's anyone's a terrible night,

829
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 4: that's no one shining night, you know, and assuming that

830
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 4: she goes and testifies, I feel like just her reputation,

831
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 4: oh well, she's she's a drunk versus we don't know

832
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 4: what else surrounds this one incident. And I don't know,

833
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 4: I just put that out there that.

834
00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 2: She's just experienced tremendous loss. Her husband was murdered in

835
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 2: front of her. You know, these are traumatic things. Again,

836
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: we're not you know, putting ourselves too deep in the world,

837
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 2: but you know, it is sort of like the summation

838
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 2: of one night. And now she's being held, you know,

839
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 2: and called to appear, and it's a very big piece

840
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:24,399
Speaker 2: of this trial.

841
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: And it could be a key witness, right, it could

842
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 3: be a lynch pin sort of thing of this case.

843
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: So one other thing I did to kind of verify

844
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 3: this info and people might find this interesting because it

845
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,280
Speaker 3: has more detail about the Stordash driver and what she saw.

846
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: Do tell. So there's a YouTube channel called the Drunk

847
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 3: Turkey Show and it's a he's former law enforcement. His

848
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 3: name's Daniel, really nice guy. He's been following IDAHO since

849
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 3: the beginning. Again, he's former only he has a relationship

850
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,240
Speaker 3: with Steve Golensalvez. You know, Steve is on his channel

851
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 3: now and then giving up dates and whatnot. It's it's

852
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 3: a great channel on one of the victims, Kaylee Gonzalveez's father,

853
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,800
Speaker 3: Thank you Gonzalez. Yeah. Well, in a show dated after

854
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: all this came out this weekend, in a show dated

855
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 3: on the fourteenth, Daniel basically said, yeah, I've been getting

856
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: calls from the DoorDash driver and then I didn't really

857
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,879
Speaker 3: respond because like, I get calls all the time and

858
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 3: everybody's crazy and I get it because people email me

859
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 3: crazy things all the time. Yeah, and so I'm like, yeah,

860
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 3: you totally get that. But then he said he also

861
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 3: got a call from somebody saying that they were the

862
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: DoorDash driver's friend. And the name they used is the

863
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: same name of the lady in the body cam footage.

864
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 3: So that was important information to verify this. Additionally, he

865
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 3: said he got more information from this friend the DoorDash driver.

866
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: He said, she's a single, middle aged woman who specifically

867
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: remembers seeing a white vehicle passed by the house a

868
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: number of times in a short period when she was

869
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 3: at the home. So she's walking to the house to

870
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 3: deliver the door dash and then walking back to her car.

871
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: Right as she was walking, the driver of the vehicle

872
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,320
Speaker 3: was passing. She looked up at him and he was staring,

873
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I lost my place. As she was walking

874
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 3: on the as she was walking, the driver of the

875
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 3: white vehicle was passing. She looked at the car, and

876
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: the driver of the car was looking at the house

877
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: and at her, which was scary, right is she Also

878
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 3: she also said he was staring so intently at the house,

879
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: she wasn't even sure if he saw her because he

880
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 3: was like so laser focused and this is chilling. At

881
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: the same time, she looked up onto the second floor

882
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: and saw a female standing in the window. It was

883
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 3: probably looking door dash order.

884
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 2: And if you don't know this case, well, one of

885
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 2: the victims, beautiful Xana Carnodle. She and her boyfriend, you

886
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,760
Speaker 2: know were just getting back from a night out and

887
00:47:59,280 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 2: you know.

888
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 3: They were door dash and you.

889
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: Know how that is after God students the best. You know,

890
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 2: you're with your boyfriend, you're so hungry, you want to

891
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 2: have like, you know, greasy food and you get to

892
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 2: sleep in in the morning. And that's what should have happened,

893
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 2: and instead some psycho changed their course. And wow, thank

894
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: god she survived. I mean, this poor DoorDash woman, as

895
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: much trauma as she's seen with her husband dying in

896
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: front of her, at least you know.

897
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 3: She had this. She may have walked right by a

898
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:38,280
Speaker 3: mass murderer. Yeah, scary boddie. I have a question. Yeah,

899
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if I understood.

900
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 4: So you're saying that this Doordask driver, the woman we're

901
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 4: speaking about, that both she and her friend called the

902
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 4: YouTuber drunk turkey.

903
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: Is that correct? Yeah? That's my understanding, is that the

904
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 3: DoorDash driver herself called And I could be wrong about this.

905
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 3: A made and I might have misunderstood the way Daniel

906
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: was explaining it because he was reading his notes. By

907
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 3: the way he was reading his notes and he was like, uh,

908
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 3: my writing sucks, and I'm trying to decipher what I'm

909
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: what I wrote down, So he was relaying what he

910
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: what he remembered, and what he remembered was that I

911
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,839
Speaker 3: believe he said the DoorDash driver called, but he just

912
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 3: he was like, yeah, whatever, you're crazy, you know. But

913
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 3: then a friend of hers called and used the same

914
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 3: name as the lady in the body cam footage, which

915
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 3: is like very I mean, that's a that's a big deal.

916
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: Is it like appropriate for us to know this because

917
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: now the defense has time? That's a little mic drop,

918
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: you know, in trial?

919
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 3: It is, it's a huge micd up drop in trial,

920
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: it's huge. But does this take the wind out of

921
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 3: the sales of the prosecution? Does it bolster the defense

922
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 3: or does it make it worse? Is it more prejudicial

923
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 3: to Brian? And is this going to cause another delay?

924
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 4: But if her initials were in the PSA, correct, her

925
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 4: initials are in the PCIATION.

926
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 3: No they're not. They're in documents though.

927
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 4: Oh they're in documents. We're gonna see how this unfolds.

928
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 2: So listen, we've covered Karen Reid probably longer than we should.

929
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: I still feel like we even haven't scratched the surface.

930
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: So we'll be on verdict watch and then Diddy. We

931
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 3: have not been following this very closely these last few days,

932
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 3: so we have much to catch up on. I don't

933
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 3: know where I'm in with this really, I mean a

934
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 3: couple of major things, you know, since we last spoke

935
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 3: was listen one of the jurors being dismissed, dur number six.

936
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 3: What's up with all the jury drama? The jury drama

937
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 3: is a bit much. First of all, it's the summer

938
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 3: of ja.

939
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it's really kind of true, right, because first

940
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 2: of all, why is this jury not sequestered? If you

941
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 2: know that the charges that Diddy is, you know, up

942
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 2: for these racketeering charges, which implies you're controlling a narrative.

943
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 3: And maybe we've seen the CNN.

944
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,920
Speaker 2: The aster, Yeah, that he obviously hate one hundred thousand

945
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: dollars to have that Cassie video you know, disappear even

946
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 2: from the hotel.

947
00:50:57,360 --> 00:50:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hotel security got paid off.

948
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: Everybody gets paid off and Diddy land if you know

949
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: that's the case, wouldn't it feel appropriate in this case

950
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: to sequester the jury. I actually think that Karen read

951
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: jury should have been se questioned. I do too, I mean,

952
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 2: don't get me started. Luckily, it's not I know it's

953
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: a very big commitment for a citizen, but nonetheless, if

954
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm a juror on the Diddy trial, I first of all,

955
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 2: I would want to be in a secret I want

956
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 2: an arm and yeah, I want an arm guard and

957
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:25,959
Speaker 2: a bag over my head.

958
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: They've been looking over their shoulder the rest of their lives.

959
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 3: You imagine that you're putting your life on the line,

960
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:34,720
Speaker 3: and if you hear things like a possible pardon.

961
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 2: Not that this hasn't been said in a while, this

962
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: is old, but again, you know here you are. You're

963
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 2: either a witness or a jur and you've put your

964
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 2: life on the line and showed your face to people.

965
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 3: That's very scary stuff.

966
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 2: Well, there's a seconder that also might get removed because

967
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 2: the second ur has apparently received a text that basically

968
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 2: asked the question via text. It was from someone this

969
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: juror apparently didn't know who asked them, are you juror

970
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 2: number six?

971
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 3: What? Probably when the news was occurring about this juror

972
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: number six getting you know, dumped, I didn't hear that. No,

973
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 3: So the person this second jur has not been officially dismissed,

974
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 3: but this has now been brought up as that could

975
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 3: be painful. It slightly implied that, or at least.

976
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:26,479
Speaker 2: This is how I interpreted it, it was implying that

977
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: they were either communicating about this case with the outside

978
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: world or that somebody had you know, gotten their information.

979
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 3: And you know, let the slow roll threats begin.

980
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: If you're trying to buy a jur I'm not saying

981
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 2: that that is happening, but it's just you know how

982
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: it happens in the movies, right, So this is big

983
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 2: stuff having a suspicious juror at this stage in a trial.

984
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 3: So hold on, I'm sorry, Can you stop for a second.

985
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 3: I sure, kim babe, bring it, bring it? Are you

986
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 3: telling me the sitting juror got a text from somebodyyous

987
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: and it says are you during number six? Correct? And

988
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 3: that juror went to the judge I'm guessing correct, and

989
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 3: was like, bro, what what you know? What's going on here?

990
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 3: That's my understanding. So I wonder, I mean, this is

991
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 3: this is scandalous, like scandalous. I know where somebody okay, listen,

992
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 3: where my mind goes is somebody snuck in like a

993
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 3: member of the public watch watching you know that you

994
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 3: can see the jury when you're you know, when you're

995
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 3: in the room, right, true, and had like the little

996
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: Google glasses or something, took a picture of the jury

997
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 3: and face. I d checked all the faces. Can you

998
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 3: do that? Yes, Softy? What absolutely? I could? Yeah, no

999
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: way that. I feel scared. Let's do it. It's a subscription,

1000
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 3: it's a subscription service. No, we can. We can do

1001
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: a demonstration and we can maybe upgrade it to TikTok

1002
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: or something. But we're taking volunteers. I'm just trying to

1003
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,799
Speaker 3: figure out. And then they docked that person and got

1004
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: their phone number. Yes, that could be. That's so terriful.

1005
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: That's terrifying.

1006
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 2: And again, isn't it Also why isn't the juror in

1007
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: these high profile cases like behind like a secret goal

1008
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:17,839
Speaker 2: ass or something.

1009
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 3: Maybe they might need to start being I mean, listen,

1010
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 3: I just made all that up in my head just now.

1011
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 3: But how that happened? But it's just a theory, like

1012
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 3: how how would that get out? Unless there's like a

1013
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: bad clerk, you know, fifty grand slip to the person,

1014
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, like something like that. That's worse.

1015
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: It continues, go ahead, coordinator, I'm sorry, the judge.

1016
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 4: So the judge has grilled both parties about potentially leaked information.

1017
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,200
Speaker 4: It was published in a news article before the testimony

1018
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 4: kicked off today. Both teams of lawyers denied leaking the

1019
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 4: sealed details, and the contents of the leak is unknown.

1020
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 3: But the judge is and I'm looking at a quote

1021
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 3: here she said or they said.

1022
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 4: Someone is lying and threatened to hold the attorneys in

1023
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 4: contempt of court if anything like it happens again.

1024
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: Here's another quote. One or more people who are here

1025
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 3: Friday in this courtroom lagrantly violated this court's orders.

1026
00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: I mean, but again, they're going home for the weekend.

1027
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 2: You can't avoid it. I mean again, I'm just playing

1028
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,520
Speaker 2: Devil's advocate here. I know they're supposed to put earmuffs

1029
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 2: on and go home and stay in a vacuum room

1030
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 2: that's sealed away with no conversation, in no media.

1031
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 3: I get it, But like, is that the real world?

1032
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 4: But hold on, Stephanie, I wasn't clear the judge was

1033
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 4: reprimanding the lawyers on both sides. This was closed door

1034
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 4: with the attorneys.

1035
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 3: So the allegation is.

1036
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 2: Now, can I just ask another strategy question to use

1037
00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:55,080
Speaker 2: smarty pants girls. Here's a question. It just a strategy.

1038
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:57,800
Speaker 2: I'm on the defense team. Now, I'm on team Diddy,

1039
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 2: and I want there to be like some shenanigans, So

1040
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 2: I send a text. You know, I'm a member of

1041
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 2: the Comb's family, many of them. I'm not saying that

1042
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 2: this is happening. Janis Combs, don't come for me on

1043
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 2: this one. But again, like to know body's point, you're

1044
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,720
Speaker 2: seeing the jurors. If you send one of those texts,

1045
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 2: you know it's going to cause a rumble, and that

1046
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: that juror is going to feel compelled to tell the

1047
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 2: judge and it's going to cause question and then they're

1048
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: going to get tossed and it's going to cause abyss.

1049
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 2: And that is that just like the wheels turning at

1050
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 2: a certain point right now in this case.

1051
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a crazy interesting hypothetical, Stephanie.

1052
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: But I mean I've said this before, but I'm like

1053
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 3: super nerdy when it comes to like the justice system.

1054
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 3: I'm super naive and like our justice system is amazing,

1055
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 3: you know, I really those things are true, and I

1056
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 3: really put them on high pedestal. And that is so

1057
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 3: unethical and it goes like you could they would not

1058
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: only could they go to jail, they would be sparred. Yes,

1059
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 3: for the Again, this.

1060
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,279
Speaker 2: Is also we're hearing story after story after story, and

1061
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: I fear that we're having some fatigue of hearing about

1062
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 2: this world that operates in. It's really unbelievable what he

1063
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 2: does on the daily basis. And we heard alleged again allegedly,

1064
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: allegedly allegedly, I at least take Jane, the most recent victim,

1065
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: at face value. I have no reason not to. She

1066
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 2: apparently still has feelings for him. But it's very clear

1067
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 2: that Shawn Di Di Combs does not know how to

1068
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 2: treat another human respectfully. And they had that another person

1069
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: who on the stand today who was like summarizing what

1070
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: do they call that?

1071
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: A summary summary witness?

1072
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, another summary witness, But this one was a juicy

1073
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 2: one because the summary witness was basically summarizing all of

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Speaker 2: the texts between some of the office mates and you know,

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00:57:53,360 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: team Shawn Combs aka Christina Korum who is KK is

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00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 2: how she's known, and she is Ditty's chief of staff

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00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 2: within Comb's Enterprises. She used to be a former executive

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00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 2: at bad Boy Records. I know I sound like a

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00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 2: broken record, but I've been waiting for this moment. I've

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00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: been tracking her so closely because it doesn't add up

1081
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 2: to me. I don't know you and Indy, right, Indy

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00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: and I I mean.

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00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: Indy, where are you at eight and eight three one?

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Speaker 3: Crime calls immediately.

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00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: But like it, it has seemed as though there has

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00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 2: been this right hand woman who has been cited in

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00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 2: a lot of these civil allegations against Ditty as.

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00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 3: One of the corroborators. We talked about this last night.

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Speaker 2: If Ditty is Epstein, then this KK would be Glene Maxwell,

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00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: kind of the groomer. But it's a really important piece

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00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 2: of the puzzle because according to this summary witness or

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00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: summary witness, Yes, after like all of these texts, it's

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00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 2: pretty clear that Christina knew what was you know, she

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00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 2: was running a tight ship and the ship was about

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00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: trafficking women and bringing in male escort from here, there

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00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: and everywhere. That she was coordinating it, that she was

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00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: giving instructions to get four thousand dollars in cash that

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Speaker 2: she was getting you know, fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Pills of molly. That's called drug trafficking.

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00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 2: I guess very much aware that you know, revenge video

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00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 2: was being used against witness Jane I guess allegedly that Jane,

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00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: who was one of the many women that did he

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00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 2: was apparently having freak offs. Like this guy had a

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00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 2: full time job freaking off. That's all he did, was

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Speaker 2: freak off.

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00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 3: But side note Jane, apparently he was threatening her that

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00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 3: he would send these tapes of her performing in a

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00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 3: freak off to her ex husband and the father of

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00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 3: her child. That's pretty bad. So if this kk knew

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Speaker 3: about that.

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00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,520
Speaker 2: That again, these are people on staff within his enterprise

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 2: that are being paid as workers, but really are fulfilling

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00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:57,760
Speaker 2: the needs of baby oil and freakofs and drugs. The

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00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 2: amount of drugs that they were all doing too, and

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01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 2: these were like mean drugs. Like they all kind of

1116
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: turned on each other and they were having sex for.

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Speaker 3: Days and days and how does that even happen? Days

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: and days and days.

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Speaker 2: And then Jane would be like and then after that,

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Speaker 2: I got to take care of Diddy. She would like

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01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,040
Speaker 2: get to like take a bath and you know, rub

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01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 2: his head while he slept, and they would eat and

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Speaker 2: watch Dateline.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, this is all the things that she accrently did.

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Speaker 3: He loves Dateline.

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Speaker 2: He loves that date Line. That's the way I did

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01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: the math on this too, because she gets a lot

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Speaker 2: of slack. He was paying her rent, you know, allegedly

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Speaker 2: did he was paying victim Jane's rent ten thousand dollar bills.

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01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 2: Oh you know, it's expensive, ten thousand dollars a lot. However,

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01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: these escorts were getting paid two thousand per night, So

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Speaker 2: it's you do the math. Jane was not actually getting

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Speaker 2: such a great deal. She actually was getting some discount

1134
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 2: pricing because she had to perform all the time. It

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01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:49,600
Speaker 2: was legitimately like a full time.

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Speaker 3: Job for her. Oh yeah, this was her job and

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01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 3: she was she had to meet his needs twenty four

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Speaker 3: to day.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So do we have to hear more about Diddy? Like?

1141
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 3: Can we gets get to the like? You know, I

1142
01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 3: feel like what else wean? Well, the defense hasn't even

1143
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 3: started that I.

1144
01:01:04,280 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 4: Am so I'm anticipating that so strongly. I just I

1145
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 4: literally cannot wait to hear. And I believe he has

1146
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:15,560
Speaker 4: ten lawyers on his team, all brilliant minds. I am

1147
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:19,800
Speaker 4: so curious what that is going to be like. And listen,

1148
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:22,520
Speaker 4: we are going to be following that of course, but

1149
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,080
Speaker 4: stick around because next we're also filling you in on

1150
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 4: the latest with the accused Long Island serial killer. He

1151
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 4: was in court today. As always, give us a call

1152
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 4: eight A eight three one crime. You are what makes

1153
01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 4: the show interesting and keeps the conversation going. So keep

1154
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Speaker 4: it here on true Crime tonight.

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Speaker 2: Rex Humorman, the accused Long Island serial killer, back in

1156
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: court for a hearing. You know who wants to take

1157
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: it first?

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Speaker 3: I will? That's cool it. So yeah, today he had

1159
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 3: court today and this was a hearing to determine if

1160
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 3: the DNA evidence is admissible. Apparently the DNA testing method

1161
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 3: that they did to match these hairs to you know,

1162
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 3: Rex and his family is kind of like a new

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01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,320
Speaker 3: thing in New York. So they had a fry hearing,

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01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 3: And a fry hearing is basically a pre trial proceeding

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01:02:29,000 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 3: that determines admissibility of scientific evidence that really hasn't It's

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01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 3: kind of groundbreaking, right, So that's called a fry hearing.

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Speaker 3: And they had this fry hearing today and the judge

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Speaker 3: heard the prosecutors want to admit this cutting edge genetic

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Speaker 3: evidence linking heuremanto seven. I mean, this is seven of

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Speaker 3: these victims. This is a lot of victims. And if

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Speaker 3: this DNA evidence isn't admitted, do they have rex right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's the.

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Speaker 2: Odds even if this is trash, what are the odds

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01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:04,640
Speaker 2: that there's seven pieces of evidence? You know, according to

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01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,880
Speaker 2: Joseph Scott Morgan when he was with us, he felt

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01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 2: like this is a silly argument.

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Speaker 3: Right. So Huerman's attorney, Michael Brown, maintains that he does

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01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 3: not believe the nuclear DNA evidence put forth by the

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01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: prosecution is science. He said it has not been accepted

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01:03:21,560 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 3: in criminal cases across the nation except for once in Idaho,

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01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,160
Speaker 3: of all places, what mm hmm, where he said there

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01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 3: are lesser standards than New York state. Of course, that

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01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: made the hair on my next stand up, right, because

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01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 3: we've just got done talking about I know, right. He

1185
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 3: added that a company in California that produced the DNA

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01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 3: does not have a permit to enter evidence into proceedings

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01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 3: in the state of New York. So this could like

1188
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 3: really be a thing. This could really be a thing.

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Speaker 3: And if the judge to sought out lest the judge

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Speaker 3: has not given us as ruling, I didn't expect a

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01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 3: bench ruling, like, I mean, the judge has to like

1192
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 3: go and research and read the document, and you know,

1193
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: he's got to figure out what he's going to do.

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01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 3: He can't just do that from the bench, right, Like,

1195
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 3: he's not going to hear everything and be like, Okay,

1196
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 3: you know, let's do it or let's not. He's going

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01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:10,080
Speaker 3: to go think about it. So that's what he's doing

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01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 3: right now and hopefully we'll hear from him soon. But

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Speaker 3: I mean, if this gets dismissed, what does this mean

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01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:18,040
Speaker 3: for the case? Sam get dismissed?

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01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 4: It can, but it's complicated because so much it does

1202
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,120
Speaker 4: have to go through the procedural process of being accepted

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01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 4: into court. That's something with every kind of piece of

1204
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:34,960
Speaker 4: forensics and different cases we've done with bite marks for example,

1205
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 4: or shoe analysis.

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01:04:38,120 --> 01:04:41,680
Speaker 3: Actually shoe analysis, right, do you guys remember the smell

1207
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 3: analysis at the death farm or whatever, the body farm

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01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 3: in Knoxville.

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Speaker 4: But it's a complicated process because everything at one point

1210
01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 4: was breaking ground in somewhere and to meet the court standard.

1211
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 4: It's just a higher standard, which on the one hand,

1212
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 4: it should. You can't go in and say, you know,

1213
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 4: the sky is red if it's not. But Joseph Scott Morgan,

1214
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 4: if you guys remember on Sunday when you know we

1215
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: had touched on this just a little bit, knowing the

1216
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:13,880
Speaker 4: hearing was coming up. What he said was that in

1217
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 4: medical professionals, they've been using this for a really long time.

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Speaker 3: Right, so, and I'm hoping that's the saving grace. I'm

1219
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,440
Speaker 3: hoping that that's a saving grace. I just listen if

1220
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 3: something bad is going to happen, like I automatically go

1221
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 3: to that, you know, like it's just my default, Like

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01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 3: oh great, you know this is going to get thrown out,

1223
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 3: and like what does this mean for the case, And

1224
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: you know, all these women, like it's scary, it's scary

1225
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:42,920
Speaker 3: to think that. I mean, what are the chances all

1226
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Speaker 3: seven victims matched to Rex? Right? And then they say, well,

1227
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 3: you can't use the DNA. So if they don't have

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Speaker 3: the DNA, what else do they have? Oh well, there's

1229
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Speaker 3: actually many things. There's many things do you have? I

1230
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,919
Speaker 3: mean the belt for one of you know, okay, that's

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01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:01,160
Speaker 3: writing this bell.

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Speaker 2: It has his father's initials, grandfather's initials R.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, allegedly allegedly. But the time phone, the cell phones,

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 3: the cell phone tracking he was yeah, that's he had

1235
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,919
Speaker 3: the burner phone and his phone, right, that's one thing that.

1236
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 4: He was connected. Those burner phones were how he used

1237
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,480
Speaker 4: to communicate to the victims. And they have absolute tracking

1238
01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 4: because he kept his regular phone on his person. So

1239
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 4: wherever the burner phone contacting these victims went, so did

1240
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 4: direct tuermen.

1241
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 3: And right, so that's one thing. That another thing they have.

1242
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: Another thing they have is you know, these killings happened

1243
01:06:38,280 --> 01:06:42,640
Speaker 3: when his wife was you know, conveniently in Iceland visiting family. Right,

1244
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: so he had all this time and opportunity. They have

1245
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 3: the document. You guys know about this document. Yes, go ahead,

1246
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 3: we have got to talk about this document, and body,

1247
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 3: I want to hear from you. Yeah, those documents by

1248
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 3: so fast, I need like ten more hours. I could

1249
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 3: talk about this. I could talk about the document for

1250
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 3: twenty six hours. Literally, I feel like I'm I feel

1251
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 3: like I'm so like Ragye right now. I just so

1252
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 3: we're gonna go out and get in a bar fire.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 3: So Forensically they analyzed all of Rex's you know, equipment,

1255
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 3: to his devices, his computers and whatnot, and they found

1256
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 3: that he had created this like word document, this Microsoft

1257
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:28,760
Speaker 3: word document, and he deleted it. And not only did

1258
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 3: he delete it, he bought software to basically shred it,

1259
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Speaker 3: like you know, fancy software that would forensically delete things

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Speaker 3: that he didn't want to keep on his computer. Yeah,

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01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: well they got it.

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Speaker 2: I mean that doesn't ever happen though, isn't that like

1263
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 2: the whole giggle, Like that doesn't get stake. You can

1264
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:48,000
Speaker 2: never really get rid of than anything, right, right, So

1265
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 2: they put basically they put this document back together piece

1266
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Speaker 2: by piece right digitally, and what emerged from this document

1267
01:07:57,680 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 2: is frightening.

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01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 3: It's literally a serial killer like checklist, No, what's on

1269
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:06,880
Speaker 3: this checklist? I don't like the checklist for Cereal, guys.

1270
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 3: There's so many things on it that I can't even

1271
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 3: remember everything. But it's things like it seems like rope,

1272
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 3: shovel shovel thumb tacks. Make sure you know you use

1273
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:25,720
Speaker 3: thumb tacks to put the canvas up so that you

1274
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 3: don't mark the wall or you know, the ceiling with

1275
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,280
Speaker 3: nail you know, like, no, where are you putting the

1276
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,600
Speaker 3: nails like to not block it up with blood? Or

1277
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:35,120
Speaker 3: what are we blocked? So you know?

1278
01:08:35,280 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: You know?

1279
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 2: Did you guys ever watch It's like dexter, wait are

1280
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: we listening? Are we in the silence of the lambs?

1281
01:08:40,320 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 3: Right? You guys have not seen this document? I've got

1282
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 3: to send it to you show shut the windows. I

1283
01:08:46,200 --> 01:08:49,840
Speaker 3: feel scared. It's go ahead, It's there's much more in

1284
01:08:49,880 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 3: this document. There's there's so many things, like I'm all

1285
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: excited about a documents.

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Speaker 2: So wait, rex Humor in the accused has a Google

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Speaker 2: document that he ray but it really wasn't a race,

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Speaker 2: because never really gets a race in this life and on.

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Speaker 3: It is a Google doc. This guy's an architect, by

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Speaker 3: the way.

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Speaker 2: So it's not like he was a criminology student or

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Speaker 2: you know, an author of true crime.

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Speaker 3: It's also not like he was a dummy though.

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Speaker 4: If you are, you are very systematic and you know

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Speaker 4: line up things, so it would makes sense that you'd

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Speaker 4: lay things.

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Speaker 3: Out on the document architect. You have to be an

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Speaker 3: attack on any other architects. We don't accuse you. No, no, no,

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Speaker 3: you're not dumb together a kill list like that. The

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Speaker 3: Suffolk County District Attorney said he's never seen a document

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Speaker 3: like this, Like he's never seen you have to I

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Speaker 3: need one more highlight the rope you've got made. No,

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Speaker 3: there's he talks about the hard point, the hard point

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Speaker 3: waout attacks. What do we do with the tacks? Okay,

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Speaker 3: so he's Basically, if you're going to kill somebody and

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Speaker 3: there's going to be blood spatter, you want to protect, oh,

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Speaker 3: the environment, so you hang up like plastic sheeting. And

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Speaker 3: he would use plasts, you know, the little thumb tacks. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he would do to put into the ceiling, because his

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Speaker 3: ceiling was like one of those drop ceilings that has

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Speaker 3: like the holes already in it. Oh and so sustain

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Speaker 3: nailing things in. It would go, well, I can't sustain

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Speaker 3: nailing things in, but it also is disguised by these

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Speaker 3: little holes and it's just the thumb tack doesn't really

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Speaker 3: leave any distinguishing marks that make it look different. Whoa,

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Speaker 3: but you know, oh, oh, another thing I watched. We

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Speaker 3: watched uh the documentary this weekend. Oh yes, gig. It

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Speaker 3: was so big and and and they go into this

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Speaker 3: document specifically, so you gotta go watch it. It's so good.

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Speaker 3: The first episode goes into like the investigation, and I

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Speaker 3: couldn't stop. I mean I I was really tired, and

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Speaker 3: I really wanted a nap, but I couldn't sleep. It

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Speaker 3: was so good. And like every I don't have like

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Speaker 3: the fancy peacock, and so every commercial I was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, like raging like, come on, let's go, let's go.

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Speaker 3: It was so it was so well done, but they

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Speaker 3: go into this document episode three in detail.

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Speaker 4: You guys, all right, I just gave myself homework because

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Speaker 4: I had watched and I told you guys after I

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Speaker 4: had I was I was twelve minutes till the end

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Speaker 4: of the first episode. So I watched almost the entire

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Speaker 4: ye of the first and then life got a little busy.

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Speaker 4: But I think life's going to take a quick pause

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Speaker 4: this evening, and.

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Speaker 3: Just where you had to watch it a little, I

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Speaker 3: need listen. I need to talk to you guys about

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Speaker 3: this document. So I need you to watch this. I'll

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Speaker 3: watch it tonight. You promised, done? Yes, okay, I think

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Speaker 3: I think everyone wants to hear about this document. Let

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Speaker 3: us know. Give us a call at eight eight, eight thirty one. Crime.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to talk about this? It's crazy. I mean,

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Speaker 3: doesn't the wife see this though? Do you think? Yes?

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Speaker 3: And she's like, she's like, prove it. She's so adamant

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Speaker 3: that it's he's innocent. And then she says, I'm not

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Speaker 3: going to believe anything until I see it with my

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Speaker 3: own eyes, and you can prove it to me.

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Speaker 2: But is it pot because she believes he's being framed

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Speaker 2: and that this is just she almost like blames herself

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Speaker 2: that she actually went out of town because had she

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Speaker 2: not been in Iceland, none of this would be up

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Speaker 2: for conversation. It's like her poor devoted husband's getting you know,

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Speaker 2: hammered in the press because she went to Iceland. It

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Speaker 2: is a very hard thing to wrap your brain around.

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Speaker 2: Every single time you go out of town, a girl

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Speaker 2: goes find turns up dead. That's horrifying, right, So number one,

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Speaker 2: number two, do you think when she watches the doc,

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Speaker 2: does she now seek maybe what some of us see,

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Speaker 2: because it's listen, if you've ever been in a beehive

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Speaker 2: in a tough situation, it's really easy for us to

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Speaker 2: look at a life and say, how did you miss that?

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Speaker 3: Until it hits you in the face.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 3: It's just that's the benefit of us being able to

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Speaker 3: talk about this stuff.

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Speaker 4: We get to don't you know she's gonna watch it? Oh,

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Speaker 4: but I could also understand some things are so bad

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Speaker 4: out right now your brain quite literally can't handle it.

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Speaker 4: I know there there's terminology that I will try and

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Speaker 4: look up, but.

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Speaker 3: Something your mind just can ask Jessica Caplin. Okay, get

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Speaker 3: her on, but no, but please, let's let's watch us

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Speaker 3: and let's just set this doc It's not a manifesto.

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Speaker 3: It's a checklist of everything not only that he needs

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Speaker 3: to bring, but that he needs to do, like make

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Speaker 3: sure you cut off the head, the fans, the feet,

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Speaker 3: like dude, it's it's so bad and the night is

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Speaker 3: already coming to a close so quickly. So, Karen Reid,

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Speaker 3: we have we have some info from from you all.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Boddy? The question is question of

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Speaker 3: the moment. One of the questions the jury asked the

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Speaker 3: judge was they mentioned this. It was about I think

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Speaker 3: it was about the one where she was in the

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Speaker 3: documentary and she was talking the video clips and they said,

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Speaker 3: and they said, does the Karen what she said? Is

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Speaker 3: it evidence or whatever? But they used the word Karen.

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Speaker 3: They didn't formally call her like missus Reid or Karen Reid.

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Speaker 3: They said, Karen, that's a tell. That is a tell.

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Speaker 2: Don't you think I think that seems much more intimate,

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Speaker 2: friendlier or if you're going to put somebody away for life,

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Speaker 2: you're going to call them miss read exactly because you

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Speaker 2: want totach yourself away a little bit from the familiarity

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Speaker 2: of this person by saying their first name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a tell. I thought it was interesting.

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Speaker 3: That's a really astude point.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I didn't say this earlier, But what

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Speaker 4: I actually found as just a very curious question was

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Speaker 4: why the jury they had asked, you know, is evidence

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Speaker 4: that was presented of Karen by the prosecution when she

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Speaker 4: air when they aired her documentary?

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Speaker 3: Could should that be evidence?

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Speaker 4: And I don't even know why that would be a

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Speaker 4: question if it's up there and submitted.

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Speaker 3: Because somebody, somebody in the jury room is saying, we

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Speaker 3: can't use that. That's not evidence. It's all somebody is

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Speaker 3: pushing back. Somebody's pushing back. I don't know which direction.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if it's somebody that's like thinking she's

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01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:13,799
Speaker 3: guilty or somebody that thinking she's completely innocent and not guilty.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, but somebody's pushing back.

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Speaker 2: It's such a good point. I thought the documentary. If

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Speaker 2: you don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about

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Speaker 2: the documentary.

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Speaker 3: I think it was the ID stuff too.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was id and basically it was Karen Reid,

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Speaker 2: you know, allowed cameras to be with her in her

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Speaker 2: previous trial. So again it's her testimony air quotes from

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Speaker 2: her previous trial. So is that relevant, I guess is

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Speaker 2: the question.

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Speaker 3: And it's in her own words then complicated stuff, you know.

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Speaker 3: And I, by the way, I thought it made her

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Speaker 3: quite I quite liked her, and I didn't like her.

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Speaker 3: I understand why she's so divisive.

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Speaker 2: She just doesn't bother me. She's familiar to me. I

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Speaker 2: feel like I get Ryan read she doesn't. I love

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Speaker 2: the Boston vibe, so it doesn't take me off the

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Speaker 2: way it does so many people.

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Speaker 3: I thought it made her likable on that topic.

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Speaker 4: There's a DM actually that had just escaped me, but

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Speaker 4: it's from Marion in Chicago, So thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: And the question asked between the protest signs, tiktoks and

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Speaker 4: people treating the courthouse like a concert venue, does this

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01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 4: help or hurt the pursuit of justice? And my top

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Speaker 4: of head reaction is I feel like it would it

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Speaker 4: would hurt because if I were a juror, I would

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01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 4: feel so much more pressure with all of it.

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Speaker 3: So that's my knee jerk. What do you guys think,

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01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,759
Speaker 3: Maybe that's why they asked the question about the hung jury,

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01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 3: and the judge responded in the way that she did.

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Speaker 3: You know, she responded, and she said, you don't need

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01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,920
Speaker 3: to worry about what the consequences are, right, Like, was

1440
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 3: the jury wondering, like are all these people gonna hate me?

1441
01:16:49,479 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because of all the circus

1442
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Speaker 3: that they see. They're not sequestered. It's not like they're

1443
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 3: getting our I don't know. Are they getting on a

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Speaker 3: bus and being escorted off proper? I have no idea,

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01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:02,200
Speaker 3: but you know they have to be aware of what's

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Speaker 3: going on outside, right, Yeah, because they're not requestioned.

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Speaker 2: Again, back to the bags over the heads, you know,

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01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 2: like we need to have like jurors in we need

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01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 2: tolast jurors in Guantanamo. Yeah, like they need to be

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01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:19,080
Speaker 2: phoning it in satellite style via question mar question. Listen.

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Speaker 2: Much more on this to come. Tomorrow's a huge day,

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01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,679
Speaker 2: huge day. We might have a verdict. So we're talking

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Speaker 2: Karen Reid, more on Long Island, more in the Brian

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Speaker 2: Coburger case. We're talking true crime all the time. Stay

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Speaker 2: with us, stay safe, and we will see you tomorrow.