1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil. I'm Roshia Peccurero, 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 2: and surprise, my beautiful sister is not here with us today, 9 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 2: but we have someone very special filling in. 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, Trevor Young here. I am one of the 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: producers of the show and I am happy to be 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: filling in for Evet today. 13 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: Yes, Trevor is our brother from another mother, and we're 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 2: very happy to have him here today. I am, and 15 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 2: I know Yvette wishes she is here, but she is 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: on a much needed vacation in Italia, like she likes 17 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: to call it in Italy. But the show must go on, 18 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 2: So just for today, Trevor's agreed to co host with 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: me for event. So mahallo, Trevor, Yeah, thank you so much. 20 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 2: And today we are going to be revisiting a very 21 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 2: important issue that we tackled back in September when we 22 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 2: did a case about Tina Fontaine. And if you remember Tina, 23 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 2: she was a young Indigenous girl who went missing and 24 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 2: was sadly later found dead in Canada. 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: Right, So, I think that case made evidence a much 26 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: like bigger, major crisis that's going on not just in 27 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: this country, but across North America, and as we'll explain 28 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: in this interview today, really across the globe. And that 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: issue is that Indigenous women and girls are at incredibly 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 1: high risk violence, kidnapping, sex trafficking, and often homicide, and truthfully, 31 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: they're not getting the proper attention they need from either 32 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 1: the media or law enforcement. And this is something we've 33 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: been hearing about quite a bit regularly, especially if you 34 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 1: listen to Up and Vanished season three, which spent the 35 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: whole season on that very issue. 36 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and I honestly didn't know a whole lot about 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: what was happening until I listened to Up and Vanished. 38 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: And today, you know, we are going to be talking 39 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: about a heartbreaking case of a young Indigenous girl named 40 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: Savannah Lafontaine Graywind. And this was horrific in the fact 41 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 2: that Savannah was a pregnant Indigenous woman she was killed 42 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: in North Dakota in twenty seventeen and joining us today 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 2: to talk about Savannah and really the bigger issue at 44 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 2: large is a personal friend of mine. Candy brings plenty, 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: and Candy is an Indigenous activist and spiritual practitioner. And 46 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: Candy is such an incredible human that I am looking 47 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 2: forward to speaking to and I'm looking for to everyone 48 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: listening to her. But first, Trevor is going to take 49 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 2: us through today's case. 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: Today, the gray Wind family learned the gruesome details behind 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: their loved ones murder. I hope no one else in 52 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 3: this community, in the United States and the world ever 53 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,119 Speaker 3: has to under the payment I do that do gray 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 3: Ones have to? 55 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: I learned of how my daughter was murdered and how 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 1: my granddaughter was taken from her. Savannah Lafontaine gray Wind 57 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: was a twenty two year old woman who was murdered 58 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: in August of twenty seventeen in Fargo, North Dakota. Her 59 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: body had been discovered wrapped in plastic against the banks 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: of the Red River. Savannah was an Indigenous woman and 61 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: a member of the Spirit Lake Sioux tribe. She was 62 00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: also eight months pregnant at the time of her murder. 63 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: Just a year earlier, Savannah had moved to Fargo to 64 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: start a new job as a nursing assistant. She and 65 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: her boyfriend, Ashton Matheni, got an apartment and were expecting 66 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: their first child in September of twenty seventeen. On August nineteenth, 67 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 1: Savannah visited her parents before stopping in to visit her 68 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: upstairs neighbors, Brooke Cruz and William Hayne. That was the 69 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: last time anyone saw Savannah alive. According to other tenants 70 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: in the building. Loud banging sounds erupted from the apartment 71 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: of Cruise in Haine, but no one thought anything of it. 72 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 1: Savannah never returned home or respond to text recalls from 73 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: her family. Police searched Savannah's apartment as well as the 74 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,280 Speaker 1: apartment of Cruise in Hayne, but they didn't find anything. 75 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 1: A search began, and many believed the authorities were slow 76 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: to respond because Savannah was Indigenous. Then days later, police 77 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: learned from Haynes's co workers that he had a new 78 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: baby in the apartment. The authorities then obtained a search 79 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: warrant and raided the apartment. There, they discovered the infant 80 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: baby of Savannah Lafontaine gray Wind and then on August 81 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: twenty seventh, eight days after she went missing, Kayakers discovered 82 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: Savannah's body in the Red River, wrapped in plastic and 83 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: duct tape. Hain would later say he came home on 84 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: August nineteenth to find blood all over the apartment. He 85 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 1: discovered that Brooke Cruz had lured Savannah there to trap 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: her and take her unborn baby. While Savannah was alive, 87 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: she cut the baby from her womb. Hain then helped 88 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: Cruise dispose of Savannah's body. Cruse had apparently wanted the 89 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: baby for herself because she was under pressure from Hain 90 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: to conceive a child. After they took the baby, they 91 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: hid Savannah's body in a dresser, which the police failed 92 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: to find on their initial investigation. Brook Cruise pleaded guilty 93 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: and was sentenced to life without parole. William Hayne was 94 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 1: also sentenced to life in prison for conspiring to kidnap 95 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: a baby and helping to dispose of a body. The 96 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: child survives and her name is Hazley Joe. She lives 97 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: with her father, Austin Atheni, who has full custody. This 98 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: case points to a troubling epidemic of missing and murdered 99 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: Indigenous people across North America. In twenty twenty, a new 100 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: law called Savannah's Act was passed to improve the resources 101 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: available to support and investigate these types of missing persons cases. 102 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: And So who was Savannah Lafontaine Graywynd, what led to 103 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: her troubling murder? And how does this case reveal a 104 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: need to address a crisis impacting Indigenous communities across the globe. 105 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:42,200 Speaker 2: So I am incredibly pleased to welcome to the show 106 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 2: a friend of mine, Candy brings plenty and Candy is 107 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: a two spirit Oglala La Cora su An activists and 108 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 2: spiritual practitioner. Candy Ekomo may welcome to Facing Evil. 109 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: You say, thank you so much for having me and 110 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 4: also for being so progressive and a tentative to the 111 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 4: need of this topic. It's something that's extremely, uh, you know, 112 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 4: more than just an activist or a platform. It's it's 113 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 4: within my blood lineage. It's part of traditional protocol as 114 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 4: the Oglala Lakota Sioux and someone you know, an Indigenous 115 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 4: person to Turtle Island. You know this is you know, 116 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: missing and murdered Indigenous women is such an epidemic candy. 117 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 2: That is so so so true, and you know full 118 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: disclosure to our facing evil listeners. I have the pleasure 119 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: of knowing you in real life when you spent your 120 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 2: time in the Portland area. You were supportive of me 121 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: and my wife when we owned Dapperdee and we got 122 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: to help and fundraise together and do all kinds of 123 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 2: fun things. And I've always respected you and admired all 124 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 2: of the work that you've been doing and continue to do. 125 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 2: So I know so much about you, but I would 126 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: love before we start, you know, talking about the case 127 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: that we want to talk about today, and of course 128 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 2: the bigger issue. I would love to know more about you, 129 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 2: where you come from, where you grew up, and of 130 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 2: course your beautiful culture and your family and all the 131 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: things if you could share with us. 132 00:08:22,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I come from the Piner's' Reservation. It's also 133 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: known or initially before it got the name Piner's Reservation, 134 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 4: it's known as the Prisoner of War Camp number three 135 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 4: three four, and you can google that, and every single 136 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 4: Indian reservation in the United States and beyond are prisoner 137 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 4: of war camps. So I have ten siblings, you know, 138 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 4: and all of them still reside and have grown up, 139 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 4: born and raised on the prisoner of war camp, including 140 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 4: you know, that's where my father was born and passed away. 141 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 4: And so there's a lot of tribal nations and tribal 142 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 4: people who have been born and raised and still living 143 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 4: in the conditions of these prisoner of war camps, and 144 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 4: which is extreme poverty, and all of it is definitely 145 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 4: still defined and restricted under the Bureau of Indian Affairs. 146 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 4: I truly feel that a lot of folks who are 147 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 4: not indigenous to Turtle Island, you know, they definitely have 148 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 4: a huge learning gap when it comes to a cultural 149 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 4: perspective or an indigenous lens. There's definitely like the law 150 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 4: of nature, and then there's you know, mad made laws, 151 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 4: and then there's the law of the land. And so 152 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 4: one of the huge aspects that a lot of non 153 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 4: indigenous folks have a hard time comprehending is that as 154 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 4: indigenous people, and I'm going to speak specifically la Quota, 155 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 4: as a Loquota person, we belong to the land. The 156 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 4: land does not belong to us. And so in every aspect, 157 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 4: that's why the water, the trees, the air, the moon, 158 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:08,680 Speaker 4: the suns as are relatives. 159 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Candy, I think before we go any further too, 160 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: it would be really great, since there is kind of 161 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: a lack of education around the history and terminology of 162 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: indigenous peoples across North America, if we could like define 163 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: some of those terms you were bringing up, Like, I'd 164 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: love to know more about the tribal title of Oklala 165 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: lakotas who. I'm hoping you could kind of define that 166 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 1: as well as explain a little bit about the significance 167 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: of that for our listeners. 168 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you know, I use the term 169 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 4: indigenous to Turtle Island a lot because I want there 170 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:48,960 Speaker 4: to be the inclusivity of our indigenous relatives to the North. 171 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 4: Up in Canada, they're also known as First Nation folks. 172 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 4: You know, so First Nation people are the tribal nations 173 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 4: and indigenous people of Canada. And then we have our 174 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 4: southern relatives in Mexico, and you know, even the Pacific 175 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 4: Islands Andaians. Yes, you know, so we're all part of 176 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 4: this Turtle Island. And you know, some people just say 177 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: North America, but it's so much more than that. And 178 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 4: I do not identify with Native American or Indian because 179 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 4: in itself am Arigo Vesputi was a cartographer who was 180 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 4: a Cis white male who was extremely violent and problematic 181 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 4: to women. I will never carry his name with my identity, 182 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 4: and so that's why I'm very comfortable with indigenous. And 183 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 4: so I get more specific when I say indigenous Turtle Island. 184 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 4: And when it comes down to my tribal identity being 185 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 4: Oglala Lakota, sue I am Oglala, which is my tribal nation. 186 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: Lakota is a dialect in the language that I speak, 187 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 4: and sue is the is the identity of the nation 188 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 4: that I come from. And so you know, a part 189 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 4: of the northern plains, the Great Cue Nation, we have 190 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 4: the Ocheti Shock going, which is the seven Sacred Fires, 191 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 4: and it's the tribes and the tribal nation that protected 192 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 4: the Minisosu which is the Missouri River. And so you know, 193 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 4: every tribal nation has their natural resources. And of course 194 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,599 Speaker 4: for every single one of us, you know, water is 195 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: sacred to us. Water is life, meaning with Tony and 196 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 4: in every entity that we have, that is how we 197 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 4: are all related. So when it comes down to even 198 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: modern times of having clean water to drink, clean air, 199 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 4: to breathe, healthy food, to eat. That's what makes us 200 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 4: all relatives. 201 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: It's interesting that this case is actually like very tied 202 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: to water in a very kind of dark and specific way. 203 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: But you know, I guess I'm curious too. I think 204 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: a lot of listeners may not understand the significance of 205 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: the term two Spirit. So it's hoping you could also 206 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: define that and why that's and what that means. 207 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:06,320 Speaker 4: The term two Spirit is actually a contemporary term. It 208 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: is an umbrella term that was coined in the early 209 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 4: nineteen hundreds by our two Spirit elders who are in 210 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 4: a time of definitely being unseen, who were still being used, 211 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 4: who are still being called burdash, which is a term 212 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: that means kept person are basically sex slave. And so 213 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 4: you know, yes, and so these elders had said, we 214 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 4: need to find a term that identifies us so that 215 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 4: we can be a part of mainstream society, so that 216 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 4: we can be identified as a cultural term for lgbtq 217 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 4: AI plus people who are indigenous Turtle Island. And the 218 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: intention for that is because there's over just in the 219 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 4: United States alone, over five hundred and eighty recognized tribes, 220 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 4: and every single one of those tribes has our own language. 221 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 4: And so can you imagine how many words and terms 222 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 4: there are just for the al, the G, the B, 223 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 4: the T, the Q, the A, the I, you know, 224 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 4: and that's just one tribe, so exponentially, in the United States, 225 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:14,199 Speaker 4: there's a million terms. And that's not even including our 226 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 4: relatives who are First Nation in Canada or Mexico relatives 227 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 4: who have all their own languages and their indigenous tribal nations. 228 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 4: So you know, two spirit is this term that is specific. 229 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 4: It's a cultural identifier for Indigenous people from Turtle Island. 230 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: So talking about you know, Savannah Lafontaine Gray wind Candy, 231 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 2: how familiar are you with a Savannah Lafontaine gray win 232 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 2: case And do you remember when you found out about it? 233 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 2: And was it a big you know talk in your 234 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: tribe and in your nation. 235 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean it was humongous. I don't think not 236 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,600 Speaker 4: a single Indigenous person wasn't impacted by it. Because in 237 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 4: my language we say matakiasse, which is all my relatives 238 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 4: or all my relations because like I had said, initially, 239 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: we were all related, all connected, yes, And I had 240 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: met her at Standing Rock at the camp, and so 241 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 4: it was profoundly impacting myself and you know, even at 242 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 4: the time, I myself was going through my own custody 243 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 4: battle with my two children and their father. And it 244 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 4: was the very first time, you know, because I moved 245 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 4: to Portland when my girls were in first and second grade. 246 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 4: Yeah they were, and we stayed, yes, and you know, 247 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 4: and that was like the first year that their father 248 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 4: had wanted to see them, and so he ended up 249 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 4: trying to keep them, and he was trying to use 250 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 4: tribal jurisdiction against me, and you know, so we ended 251 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: up finding a common ground, and you know, I let 252 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 4: him have a test trial with my children to keep 253 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 4: them for the school year. And that's why I ended 254 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 4: up going to Standing Rock. 255 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 2: I remember watching you go through all of that. 256 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And I had said, you know, if all 257 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 4: I know how to do is be a mother, what 258 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 4: am I going to do with all this energy and 259 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: all this love? And I said, I'm going to go 260 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 4: take it to Standing Rock and see what I can 261 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: do with it. And that's when I initiated the two 262 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 4: Spirit Nation camp. I felt this horrendous, heart breaking feeling 263 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 4: of knowing, you know, her child was stolen from her 264 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 4: sacred womb, you know, and she was just exposed of 265 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 4: so you know, every single part of me felt it. 266 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 4: I felt like it happened to me too. 267 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: And then you know, as far as the kind of 268 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: implications of Savannah's murder, what kind of like seismic impact 269 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,000 Speaker 1: did it have on you know, the tribe and the 270 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: people in the indigenous community who saw this on the news? 271 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: You know, what were people saying and thinking about this? 272 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 4: So you know, the only thing I can really measure 273 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 4: it next to with the seismic actual impact that it 274 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,120 Speaker 4: had is when I watched these movies about you know, 275 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 4: JFK being shot and it was like the world said 276 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 4: still and everybody was impacted, to teachers and students and housewives. 277 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 4: You know, That's how it was for us when we 278 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 4: learned the details and when they found her body. And 279 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 4: again it goes back to MMI w and even beyond that, 280 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 4: because you know, for these entitled non indigenous people, these 281 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 4: white folks, these colonizers, to feel that they can take 282 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 4: such a sacred being. And in our language we say 283 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:07,800 Speaker 4: wakaya and that's children. That means child because is sacred 284 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: and yisha is chosen ones. So our children are the 285 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 4: sacred chosen ones. So you know, it was just such 286 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 4: you know, there's not even a word to convey, but 287 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: it was like one of the most I don't even 288 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 4: know a colonial term to use for it, but it 289 00:18:24,960 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 4: was witnessing the worst possible impact of this post apocalyptic 290 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 4: state of being when colonizers come to divide and conquer. 291 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 4: They literally divided her and conquered her from this sacredness 292 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 4: of her own wa Kaysha. 293 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: And that makes me wonder too. I mean, do you 294 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: think Savannah was targeted for being indigenous or do you 295 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: think she was more victim of opportunity and happened to 296 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: be indigenous. In any case, she was taken advantage of 297 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:57,479 Speaker 1: by you know, white people. But I'm curious how you 298 00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: perceive the sort of motive in this murder. 299 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 4: Okay, let me take you back to the word white 300 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 4: people in Lakota in our language, so the word white 301 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 4: people is washichu, So that breaks down to washe, which 302 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 4: is fat echo is to take. So if we translate 303 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 4: that word for word in English, it's called the fat takers. 304 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 4: This goes back to the time of the fur traders 305 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 4: and to manifest destiny. And there is this like iconic 306 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 4: black and white photo of these like thousands of buffalo skulls, 307 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 4: and there's like this one man standing on top so proud, 308 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 4: and maybe there's one more man at the bottom to 309 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 4: show how how high this mountain a buffalo skulls was. 310 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 4: And so these fur traders would come in and scalp 311 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 4: and take what they wanted off of these buffalo And 312 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 4: meanwhile the northern plains, the Great Sux Nation, people were 313 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: dying of starvation. And we would come across and find 314 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,160 Speaker 4: our herd of buffalos and they would be rotting carcasses 315 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: and with all the meat and everything on them, but 316 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 4: they would just skin them for their fur and for 317 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 4: and a lot of them were just headless because they 318 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 4: were taking the skulls. And we've learned that these white 319 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 4: people are we didn't even know the word white people, 320 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 4: but they were taking the fat. They would take the 321 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 4: best part and leave the rest. And so that's what 322 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 4: the term fat taker means. And so when I was 323 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 4: educating folks, when I worked at the ACLU, I think 324 00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 4: they felt defended, but that was the actuality of how 325 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 4: they have lived and continue to live. And so absolutely 326 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 4: it was because they were white people. You know, they 327 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 4: seen Savannah as less than they didn't see her as 328 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 4: a human being. They've seen her as someone who was 329 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 4: carrying something they wanted and they were going to get 330 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 4: it by any means necessary. And they did, and they 331 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 4: didn't see no consequence to that, because that's what white 332 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: supremacy is. White supremacy is filling and seeing and believe 333 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 4: that they are the supreme beings with no consequence. And 334 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 4: you know, that's why I argued a lot with the 335 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: Constitution in itself, because you know, the only way we 336 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 4: were even thought of, because the Constitution and amendments were 337 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 4: not written for people of color, for women, for queer people, 338 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 4: especially for Indigenous people to Turtle Island, we were described 339 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 4: as as the savages, the merciless savages. That's the only 340 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 4: way that you know, Indigenous people were written into the Constitution. 341 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 4: And so that continues to be the mindset regardless of 342 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 4: even you know, this podcast of people thinking, was it 343 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,119 Speaker 4: really because you know, white people think differently than in 344 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 4: Native people, you know, and that's absolutely one percent correct. 345 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,479 Speaker 4: It was because you know, they had she had something 346 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 4: that they wanted. 347 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 2: So, Candy, I think I know the answer to this question. 348 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 2: But do you think that the police that were initially 349 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 2: investigating upstairs, you know, just from Savanna's home and her 350 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: neighbor's apartment. You know, do we think they did a 351 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 2: good enough job. I mean, I think they searched the 352 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 2: home when her beautiful temple, her body was there, and 353 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 2: they didn't find it until eight days later. 354 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 4: I definitely feel like they did not do a good job. 355 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,120 Speaker 4: And a part of that, too, is because of Standing Rock. 356 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 4: You know, there was this humongous division between even the 357 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,239 Speaker 4: police department, the sheriffs, the DAPPO officers that you know, 358 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 4: we actively watched some of the officers walk off the 359 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 4: job because they knew it was more than just a 360 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 4: protecting of the land that them on the other side 361 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 4: were doing. They were taking the opportunity to violate and 362 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 4: harm and hurt us, you know, And to this day, 363 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 4: like I still have a permanent egg bump on my 364 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 4: head and I'm missing a tooth from getting beat. 365 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: Down so badly at Standing Rock. 366 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 4: At Standing Rock, they were there to break us down. 367 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 4: They were there to put fear into us, and so 368 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 4: you know, I still have PTSD from that. And it 369 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 4: was a learned behavior. When we would go to Bismarck, 370 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 4: when we would go to Fargo, there was a continued 371 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 4: white people versus Native people across that whole state. So 372 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 4: I believe with my whole heart that a lot of 373 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: these missing and murdered Indigenous women cases in North Dakota 374 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 4: continue to be put on the back burner, and you 375 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 4: know a lot of times they're continued to just use 376 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 4: the jurisdictional component of tribal entities versus stay entity. And 377 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 4: I feel if it was a young wash Youto girl, 378 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 4: a young white girl, pregnant white girl who was missing, 379 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 4: there would have been a heck of a lot more 380 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 4: of a search and rescue for her. 381 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, yeah, that's interesting. I don't think it had 382 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: occurred to me that, you know, there had been this 383 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: kind of like stronger divide than ever before as a 384 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: result of standing rock between police and Indigenous people that 385 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: might result in them, you know, not only not giving 386 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: cases what they deserve, but you know, being actively harmful 387 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: to that process and in many ways, and not just police, 388 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: I mean we're also talking about the media here. I 389 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: think the media has not done as good a job 390 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: as they can when covering a lot of these cases 391 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: of missing and murdered Indigenous people. I'm curious, do you 392 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: see that also as just like you know, racism, plain 393 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: and simple, definitely. 394 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,639 Speaker 4: Plain and simple, you know, like I was saying, it 395 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 4: was more than just a young Indigenous woman who was 396 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 4: pregnant and missing. It was racially motivated, and the resources 397 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 4: that were offered, even within the court system itself, this 398 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 4: was just horrendous of an act on a human being. 399 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:14,480 Speaker 1: One other, you know, interesting thing, and I mentioned this 400 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: earlier when we were talking about water, is that many 401 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,600 Speaker 1: of these cases of the missing and murdered Indigenous people 402 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 1: happened to take place around the Red River. Strangely, and 403 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: I know this has been talked about too in the community, 404 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: but I'm curious to get your thoughts on that and 405 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: why the Red River is sort of this epicenter for 406 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: a lot of these crimes to take place. One of 407 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: the other cases that happened there was that Tina Fontaine 408 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: was a young girl whose body was discovered along the 409 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: Red River, as well as Savannah Lafontaine and Gray Wind. 410 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 4: Yes, and so you know, even with Savannah being pregnant, 411 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,120 Speaker 4: that and itself goes back to the water, and that's 412 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 4: why water is so sacred, you know, And that was 413 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 4: that was a symbolic violation especially, you know, because this 414 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 4: was just so fresh and around the time of the 415 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 4: No Adapple movement and Standing Rock, and to know that 416 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 4: a lot of these missing and murdered Indigenous women, we 417 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 4: do find them in the water. And I feel like, 418 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 4: regardless of it, if it's Indigenous people, are non Indigenous 419 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 4: people who who are being you know, the violators that 420 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 4: the return to the water for me, I feel like 421 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 4: it's a component of these people trying to remove themselves 422 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 4: from the human act that they're doing at the same 423 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,119 Speaker 4: time symbolizing washing themselves from the sin, or you know, 424 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 4: putting these women in the water so that there's no 425 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 4: trace of them regardless. You know, people don't see how 426 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,400 Speaker 4: much we are related to the water, and even if 427 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,880 Speaker 4: they're not spiritual or cultural, they continue to go back 428 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 4: to the water. And that's why a lot of these 429 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,640 Speaker 4: as I was stating, extractions from Mother Earth, they impact 430 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 4: us to our core, regardless of gender. 431 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 2: That's an interesting take on that, and it's heartbreaking and 432 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 2: healing at the same time. I know that, you know, 433 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: sounds awful, but one light in this very very dark 434 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: case at least is that the killers were swiftly brought 435 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: to justice. But as we all know that does not 436 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:25,400 Speaker 2: often happen. And I know how much of an activist 437 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 2: and advocate that you are. Can you tell our listeners, 438 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 2: like how prevalent are these cases? Are people you know 439 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: going missing and getting murdered every single day? This is 440 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 2: truly an epidemic, right. 441 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 4: It's absolutely an epidemic. And that's the major component of 442 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 4: it is is that there's a lack of data because 443 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 4: there is a lack of even resources across the states. 444 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 4: And I know, you know, there's this ambulert system and 445 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 4: that is for you know, the use and for kids, 446 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 4: and for you know, a whole another scope of human beings. 447 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: But when it comes to the numbers of Indigenous women, 448 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 4: there is no data whatsoever and have there been? You know, 449 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 4: I know that in itself would create a whole brand 450 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 4: new scope of how to deal, how to prevent, and 451 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 4: how to educate about missing and murdered Indigenous women. And 452 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 4: like I said, it goes back centuries. It goes back 453 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 4: to you know, first contact, It goes back to the 454 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 4: first fourteen ninety two May Flowership, you know, because women 455 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 4: are not commodities, you know, and to come and bring 456 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 4: the practices of fat takers and apply that to women, 457 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 4: especially Indigenous women, especially on our own ancestral lands, that 458 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 4: has been defined by the doctrine of discovery by the 459 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:01,479 Speaker 4: palpables over across the ocean, that has stated that we 460 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 4: were savages because we were not baptized or we did 461 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 4: not follow Catholicism, our Christianity. That in itself is the 462 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 4: sin h. 463 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: So, Candy, I think you probably know this, but for 464 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, our listeners who might not, there is one 465 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: small silver lining in this case, which is that the 466 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: savannahs Act was signed into federal law in October of 467 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty and so according to the Justice Department, this 468 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: law is quote a bipartisan effort to improve the federal 469 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: response to missing or murdered Indigenous persons, including by increasing 470 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: coordination among federal, state, tribal, and local law enforcement agencies 471 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: end quote. So that feels like a step in the 472 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: right direction. But I'm curious what your take on that 473 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 1: is and if that feels like enough or is that 474 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: even actually happening in practice or are we even doing 475 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: anything with that law. 476 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: Well, I do feel like that definitely is a silver 477 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 4: lining with the Savannah Act because I have used the 478 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:05,600 Speaker 4: wording in itself and the Act to lobby and to 479 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 4: create legislation in South Dakota. And you know, our legislators 480 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: were the ones who passed the bill for creating Tribal 481 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,960 Speaker 4: Liaison for Missing and Murdered Indigenous People in the Attorney 482 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 4: General's Office in South Dakota. So we were able to 483 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 4: create this, Yes, we were able to create this position 484 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 4: because there are young women who are missing weekly and 485 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 4: pretty much daily, even here in my city, in Rapid City. 486 00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 4: And you know, when we look at the website it 487 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:45,240 Speaker 4: lists the missing people and majority, like there is ninety 488 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 4: percent Indigenous people on this missing list. And so, you know, 489 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 4: to have an actual act on a congressional level that 490 00:30:54,640 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 4: is bipartisan was you know, a big catalyst to start 491 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 4: conversations and to say what are we doing on a 492 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 4: local level, what are we doing on a state level? 493 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 4: You know, but we need more. You know, that in 494 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 4: itself definitely was the beginning of these political and legislative conversations. 495 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: And so you know, I'm so grateful that we can 496 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 4: continue the narrative and that there are podcasts and that 497 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 4: there are continued allies and continued conversations, but we need 498 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 4: to go beyond conversation we need to start taking action. 499 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: Yes, and how do we do that? Candy? I would 500 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 2: love to know, Like on Facing Evil, we always always 501 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 2: always look for the light in the darkness, and that 502 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: is exactly why my sister and I do this show, 503 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:47,760 Speaker 2: and my honorary brother Trevor does this show. And it's true, 504 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: like he's our not only our producer, like he's become 505 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: a you know, a sibling to us. And I want 506 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 2: to know what can we as listeners, as podcasters, as humans, 507 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 2: what actions can we take to be good allies? 508 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 4: Well, first of all, you know, I really feel like 509 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 4: there should be a Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women's Task 510 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 4: Force in each state and here in South Dakota we 511 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 4: finally initiated hours as of last month as we went 512 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 4: through the position as I stated, we lobbied for, and 513 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 4: you know, I feel like everyone should be reaching out 514 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 4: to their elected officials and asking them what can we do? 515 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 4: You know, like I said, we decided the place we 516 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,520 Speaker 4: needed to go to was the Attorney General's office, So 517 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 4: you know, definitely ask what are we doing for missing 518 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 4: and murdered Indigenous people? And you know, if you want, 519 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 4: you can begin there, or you can even just start 520 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 4: reaching out to some of these organizations. In each state, 521 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 4: there is a Missing and Murdered Indigenous Relatives People women entity. 522 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 4: I know that there are during women's marches, they're also 523 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 4: for the missing murdered Indigenous women. And we have just 524 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 4: gotten our it's called oh Chetti Shockgoing Missing and Murdered 525 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 4: Indigenous People task Force, so we knew that South Dakota 526 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 4: has such a big epidemic. But it's beyond that, you know, 527 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 4: we want to continue building forces across Ochette Shockgoing and 528 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 4: within the tribes. So a lot of times too, I 529 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 4: think it's very important for every person in each state 530 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,400 Speaker 4: to learn and educate themselves on what lands they're occupying 531 00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 4: and what are the tribal nations of their state, because 532 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,600 Speaker 4: you can always just reach out to those tribes themselves too. 533 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 2: And before we let you go, I would love for 534 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: you just to share a little bit about everything that 535 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 2: you're doing right now, because I see it on social 536 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: media and I've told our listeners back when we you know, 537 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 2: started almost a year ago, they needed to follow you 538 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: at Candy Brings plenty and see everything that you're doing. 539 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: But if you could share, I would I would love 540 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 2: for you to share with the world what you're up 541 00:33:58,800 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 2: to now? 542 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you can all on my social media as 543 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 4: I go by two Spirit Woyri or Queen, so you 544 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 4: can find me at two Spirit Warrior Queen. Yes. And 545 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 4: you know, Pride is coming up and I have a 546 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 4: really you know, push pull tug of war with Pride 547 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,840 Speaker 4: months because two spirit people have been here since before 548 00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 4: first contact. Two spirit people have been celebrating and have 549 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 4: been proud of themselves since before the riots at Stonewall. 550 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 4: And so a lot of times I feel like two 551 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 4: Spirit Pride leave out the indigenous component of the lands 552 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 4: they're marching on. And a lot of times these are 553 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,280 Speaker 4: boxes the LGBTQ plus identities. And to add two spirits 554 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 4: to every single component of pride, every single component of 555 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 4: the rainbow. And don't just put the number two in 556 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 4: the letter s, write it out and say two spirit 557 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,320 Speaker 4: so those young two spirits out there who feel unseen 558 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 4: unheard can be recognized. 559 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,759 Speaker 2: I love that. Candy brings plenty. Thank you for being 560 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 2: hearing you absolutely beautiful human. 561 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:07,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so much. 562 00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:08,319 Speaker 4: Thank you. 563 00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: Now for our message of hope and healing. Today's emula 564 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 2: goes out to Savannah Lafontaine Graywind and to every missing 565 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 2: and murdered Indigenous person out there, we will not let 566 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 2: the world forget you. We are committed to using our 567 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 2: voices to help spread the word about ending the systemic 568 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:37,040 Speaker 2: violence on Indigenous people. Savannah had her entire life ahead 569 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 2: of her before she was murdered, but thankfully her beautiful baby, 570 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,480 Speaker 2: Hazley Joe, survived. We are sending love and light to 571 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 2: Hazley Joe's father, Ashton Mathony, who is raising their young 572 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,360 Speaker 2: child in a world without her mother. Today, we would 573 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: like to honor the memory of Savannah Lafontaine Graywind. Onward 574 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: and upward. Emoa. Well, that's our show for today. We 575 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 2: would love to hear what you thought about today's discussion 576 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,600 Speaker 2: and if there's a case you'd like for us to cover, 577 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,360 Speaker 2: find us on social media or email us at facingable 578 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,160 Speaker 2: pod at tenderfoot dot tv. 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