Speaker 1: I won't let my body out out everything that I'm
Speaker 1: made do, won't spend my life trying to change. I'm
Speaker 1: learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
Speaker 1: I feel free, I know who every part of me.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful and then will always out way if you
Speaker 1: feel it with yours in the air, she'll love to
Speaker 1: the boom by it. There, let's say good day and
Speaker 1: did you and die out? Okay, Amy and Lisa here,
Speaker 1: and we want to start off today's episode by talking
Speaker 1: about have you ever judged a book by its cover?
Speaker 1: I know I have, Lisa definitely, Yeah, guilty, And that's
Speaker 1: one of the things we grow up learning, Like you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but
Speaker 1: society actually, when it comes to judging someone by their weight,
Speaker 1: has told us, oh, yeah, no problem, judge a book
Speaker 1: by its cover all day long, like because yeah, that
Speaker 1: is bad. So, Lisa, fat phobia is actually a thing,
Speaker 1: and some people might not be familiar with that. So
Speaker 1: I'd like for you to just go ahead and define
Speaker 1: that for us and then we can talk about it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So similar to homophobia or any sort of phobia that
Speaker 1: we have, it's some sort of a prejudice, whether you
Speaker 1: realize it or not, so it could be a little
Speaker 1: bit more subconscious against bigger bodies. And the reason we
Speaker 1: did want to talk about this article is because when
Speaker 1: I saw the controversy that occurred from Cosmos saying this
Speaker 1: is healthy and showing very different bodies than the one
Speaker 1: that you and I saw, I thought, you know, nobody
Speaker 1: here is to blame, like when we say maybe it's
Speaker 1: the fat phobic people, even that sounds judgey to those people,
Speaker 1: when in reality we have been living in a diet
Speaker 1: culture bubble that has really, really, really enforced the idea
Speaker 1: that bigger bodies are burdensome to society. Therefore they are
Speaker 1: to blame for their illnesses, for their increased medical call
Speaker 1: for the diseases they get. Rather than zooming out and
Speaker 1: recognizing how are fat phobia? Our fear of bigger bodies
Speaker 1: actually gets in the way of us being able to
Speaker 1: take care of ourselves. This makes me think of the
Speaker 1: controversy a while back with Jillian Michaels and Lizzo and
Speaker 1: the passionate video that you put up coming to Lizzo's
Speaker 1: defense and the comments that Jillian Michael's making, and we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about this before, so you don't know it
Speaker 1: was going to bring it up, but it definitely was
Speaker 1: the first time that I was exposed to how certain
Speaker 1: people are treated. I think I probably before really focusing
Speaker 1: in on what you were saying, I would have heard
Speaker 1: Julian Michael's comments and like, oh, well, she's a trainer,
Speaker 1: she's on a TV show called Vigas Loser, she's an expert,
Speaker 1: she knows what she's talking about. And then it would
Speaker 1: have rolled off my back, like Okay, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: think twice about it, but I remember watching your video
Speaker 1: that you put up and you're calling her out, Jillie Michaels,
Speaker 1: that is, and I was, We're proud of you, but
Speaker 1: also it is a very enlightening video for me to
Speaker 1: be like, oh wait a second, I am part of
Speaker 1: the problem. I wouldn't define myself as fat phobic, but
Speaker 1: I don't do anything to join in on helping ind
Speaker 1: this type of rhetoric, right, And it wasn't you know
Speaker 1: the purpose of that video or wasn't too like you said,
Speaker 1: like go after Jillian Michaels. It was an opportunity to
Speaker 1: educate where there's this gray area that we're really missing.
Speaker 1: So people who are in the Jillian Michael's camp, if
Speaker 1: you will, and then people who are in the body
Speaker 1: liberation space, you know, over here. So we've got two
Speaker 1: different people. They're not having a conversation because they're both
Speaker 1: advocating for health, but neither sees the other one as
Speaker 1: really prioritizing health. So the Jillian Michael's camp people think that,
Speaker 1: you know, wait, is the most obvious sign of not
Speaker 1: being healthy. Therefore, by putting bigger bodies out there and
Speaker 1: celebrating them, right, by celebrating different bodies that weren't on
Speaker 1: the cover of the magazines that you and I saw,
Speaker 1: we are sending the wrong message. Whereas people over in
Speaker 1: the body liberation camp, let's call it, are like, wait
Speaker 1: a second, we haven't actually made people healthier by selling
Speaker 1: them on this one body ideal that thin is better,
Speaker 1: because then we're failing to consider all the things people do. Obviously,
Speaker 1: we talked about this on that way in pursuit of
Speaker 1: that body that is likely not even you know, attainable
Speaker 1: to them because of their genetic pool and their bodies
Speaker 1: and you know the way that they're naturally made, and
Speaker 1: you know, pursuing diet after diet, putting themselves through rigorous
Speaker 1: workouts in pain, versus can we show ourselves love nutrition
Speaker 1: movement in a way that feels good? And the saddest
Speaker 1: part of all of this is most people didn't make
Speaker 1: it past the cover that said this is healthy and
Speaker 1: show different types of bodies. They didn't open up to
Speaker 1: the eleven women spread where each women really tells a
Speaker 1: powerful story about how she finds strength and health from
Speaker 1: exercising in some ways or through her their mental health.
Speaker 1: And there was so much nuance to this article, but
Speaker 1: it became so easy to pick apart because people were
Speaker 1: so quote unquote afraid of what message we're sending to
Speaker 1: the youth about their bodies by putting a bigger body,
Speaker 1: if you will, on on the cover. But why were
Speaker 1: we not concerned by putting real thin bodies on the
Speaker 1: cover when that wasn't attainable or healthy? Okay? So yeah,
Speaker 1: you mentioned these two camps, and it's like somewhere we
Speaker 1: got to meet in the middle and prioritize health all around,
Speaker 1: not just like, oh, you wanna lose weight in a
Speaker 1: super extreme way and work out a billion hours a
Speaker 1: day and restrict tons of food. Sure, Okay, that's healthy.
Speaker 1: But then you want to just go eat whatever you
Speaker 1: want and not move your body and worry about anything. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know where it all meets together, but health
Speaker 1: just should not be defined by weight, end of story, right,
Speaker 1: and on both ends of the spectrum, right. And that's
Speaker 1: why we have to recognize that we can't judge somebody's
Speaker 1: health by the way that they look. So it shouldn't
Speaker 1: be a dispute to say this is healthy, and then
Speaker 1: just because it's not what we've traditionally seen for us
Speaker 1: to say, no, it's obese, and obesity causes a b
Speaker 1: C d n E. So really, the key kicker here
Speaker 1: that I want people to feel equipped to go home
Speaker 1: and have these conversations is that higher weights, obesity, being overweight,
Speaker 1: all those things do not cause a b C d
Speaker 1: n E. Insert hypertension, diabetes, you know, heart disease. Whatever
Speaker 1: the slew of popular ones that we hear is is
Speaker 1: there a correlation between the two, Yes, there is a correlation.
Speaker 1: What does that mean. It means that being of a
Speaker 1: higher weight is a risk factor for these diseases. But
Speaker 1: if there's one thing we know about how all science
Speaker 1: works is that correlation does not mean causation. So we
Speaker 1: got very blurry somewhere that if you just lose weight,
Speaker 1: all your problems will go away, and because you've gained weight,
Speaker 1: you are the problem. And this has really interfered with
Speaker 1: doctors taking patients seriously. This is kind of what this is,
Speaker 1: what weight stigma is. We talked about that a lot
Speaker 1: with our episode with doctor Joshua. You really broke that down.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go a little bit further
Speaker 1: into weight stigma, highly suggest his episode from season one.
Speaker 1: But are we giving people the proper care? Are we
Speaker 1: evaluating their labs, are we looking at what could be
Speaker 1: causing disease in their body? Or are we simply giving
Speaker 1: them a prescription to lose weight thinking that their weight
Speaker 1: is the problem. And this has led to fat shaming
Speaker 1: and worst of all, when we just tell somebody just
Speaker 1: lose weight, it causes negative health behaviors to be pursued,
Speaker 1: not to mention mental health issues and self esteem issues.
Speaker 1: So how can we empower people beyond just lose weight
Speaker 1: or gain weight? Right the specific kind of like what
Speaker 1: your body side should be. We need to talk about
Speaker 1: healthy behaviors and if people made their way into the
Speaker 1: actual magazine not just past the cover where there was
Speaker 1: easy you know, I'm pro this, or pro that the
Speaker 1: gray area of the conversation would have been exposed. Here
Speaker 1: are healthy things that you can do to promote your
Speaker 1: well being. Mental health is part of this conversation. You know,
Speaker 1: these things are kind of just getting lost in translation
Speaker 1: because people come with really, really really strong opinions as
Speaker 1: to what healthy is because of the diet cultural world
Speaker 1: that we've been sucked into like a vortex, that we
Speaker 1: take it as hard truth, and we need to kind
Speaker 1: of back up and put our listening ears on, look
Speaker 1: for different types of information and really question the beliefs
Speaker 1: I believe that we've been given so that we can
Speaker 1: show up, be compassionate to our neighbors and our friends
Speaker 1: and our colleagues, and actually help people by being healthier,
Speaker 1: not being thinner period and not being so judgmental towards
Speaker 1: how they look and then what you're concluding about their body.
Speaker 1: And then I think that, like you said, we're in
Speaker 1: this vortex and we've heard for much of our life
Speaker 1: that equals at but that's just not true, right, And
Speaker 1: I think, like what I loved about the article so
Speaker 1: much is that it wasn't showing a diversity of body
Speaker 1: and saying, you know, this is healthy, you should pursue this,
Speaker 1: because that's what everybody took away from it is you're
Speaker 1: promoting obesity. You think that you know, all women should
Speaker 1: aim to look like this. It's like, let's just move
Speaker 1: away from that narrative and recognize all bodies are different.
Speaker 1: So when I see somebody on the cover, it doesn't
Speaker 1: take away from what I need to look like. Right,
Speaker 1: Maybe they're an expert that has some information that they
Speaker 1: need to deliver. Maybe it doesn't matter what they actually
Speaker 1: look like. But what we are saying by finally not
Speaker 1: seeing that one body type on the cover of the
Speaker 1: magazine is that there isn't one way to be healthy.
Speaker 1: So maybe the message wasn't this is healthy, but what
Speaker 1: we've previously seen isn't healthy. It was just expanding our
Speaker 1: view of what bodies could look like because that is
Speaker 1: what we see when we're on the street. Right, it
Speaker 1: should be modeled in our media consumption. Different body types,
Speaker 1: different races, different nationality, people with scars, people in wheelchairs,
Speaker 1: all types of things. Right, we should see that in
Speaker 1: the media, so that the one person that we put
Speaker 1: on a pedestal per month on the cover of a magazine,
Speaker 1: isn't the one ideal that we're all in pursuit of. Yeah,
Speaker 1: wellness is not one size fits all, and again, for
Speaker 1: years that's what we saw. So of course that would
Speaker 1: be some people's thinking. But when you step back and
Speaker 1: look at the big picture, it's like, oh, whoa. We
Speaker 1: were brainwashed in a sense to chase after that and
Speaker 1: think that that equals healthy. My brain keeps going back
Speaker 1: to the fact like that I'm picturing a skinny model
Speaker 1: on a magazine and we're like, Okay, that's okay because
Speaker 1: she's skinny, But we have no idea the lengths that
Speaker 1: she went to to get there. We have no idea
Speaker 1: her mental state, her stress levels. Maybe she's naturally born
Speaker 1: that way, but let's say she had to go to
Speaker 1: extreme measures to get that body, or it was photoshopped
Speaker 1: or airbrush to look that way, and then we're stuck
Speaker 1: having to chase after this, which again makes you think
Speaker 1: of our doctor Joshua conversation. Is the stress we put
Speaker 1: on ourselves from restriction and not enjoying certain foods. It
Speaker 1: can be or maybe close to worse than if you
Speaker 1: were to just eat the food. Anyways, I think that
Speaker 1: still everybody is looking for a firm answer what is healthy?
Speaker 1: We we grasped black and white. We want the quick
Speaker 1: answers in our life. And this is a beautiful conversation
Speaker 1: that isn't going to you know, the viewpoint isn't going
Speaker 1: to be changed overnight. These are conversations that we need
Speaker 1: to have with our daughters and our sons and broad
Speaker 1: in the perspective so that we could really change the
Speaker 1: narrative and help people recognize that dieting and healthy eating
Speaker 1: and living are not synonymous. Right. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: a secondary conversation that needs to kind of be broken
Speaker 1: down here. Of course, you can kind of get blurry
Speaker 1: here because as you know, I went through orthorexia. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you identify in that way, but in
Speaker 1: orthorexia I was obsessed with healthy eating. I was not
Speaker 1: calorically restricting, Um, you know, it's just obsessive about the
Speaker 1: quality of my food. And that too was unhealthy. So
Speaker 1: really the focus needs to be on a healthy behavior. Right,
Speaker 1: What are the things that we can do that isn't
Speaker 1: obsessive so that it's sustainable, so that each daughters, son,
Speaker 1: me and you Amy, every individual can start to really
Speaker 1: recognize that health is an inside job, and it takes
Speaker 1: considering ourselves and really throwing out an internalized message that
Speaker 1: I will be healthy when I look like X. Because
Speaker 1: when we are pursuing that, we're throwing out all those
Speaker 1: things that feel good. Right, Exercises just to burn or
Speaker 1: to chisel, not because it You know, when we move
Speaker 1: our bodies, when we are rolling my wrists on the
Speaker 1: camera right now looking at Amy, we're bringing synovial fluid
Speaker 1: into our joints. Like what about longevity? The view of
Speaker 1: health has become so narrowly defined by weight that we've
Speaker 1: forgotten so many amazing things of how we can take
Speaker 1: care of our bodies. One naysayer, I just wanted to
Speaker 1: pull it up because I think again it's it's these
Speaker 1: are important conversations to have is she wrote. I get
Speaker 1: what it's like dealing with insecurities. Trust me, I get it.
Speaker 1: But the answer isn't to minimize the role of weight, diet,
Speaker 1: and exercise plays in our health. So this, to me,
Speaker 1: just made it so clear that this person didn't open
Speaker 1: the cover to really explore what was beneath, that all
Speaker 1: they saw was a bigger body, and because of everything
Speaker 1: that we've heard about bigger bodies, there was an assumption
Speaker 1: that these individuals were less healthy because of that belief
Speaker 1: that not, you know, the traditional body that we know
Speaker 1: is a cause for disease. But like we said, there
Speaker 1: is a correlation between higher weight and disease. That does
Speaker 1: not mean that everybody at a higher weight is going
Speaker 1: to get a disease. This is a risk factor, but
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean there are confounding factors that all happen
Speaker 1: inside of a body that have are outside of your
Speaker 1: control that do cause disease. And so it's really need
Speaker 1: to back up and recognize your This article had nothing
Speaker 1: to say about diet and exercise in a negative way
Speaker 1: if anything, and you read the pages, these women seem
Speaker 1: to have beautiful relationships to food and exercise. All they
Speaker 1: saw was the weight and they got stuck up on
Speaker 1: it because of their fear of their bodies essentially. So
Speaker 1: I mean, just take this conversation that we're having and
Speaker 1: continue it with your yourself. It may not be something
Speaker 1: that you need to discuss with others. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: it is if certain comments come up, But I feel
Speaker 1: like this is a conversation we also need to be
Speaker 1: having with ourselves because it might be new to you
Speaker 1: and you might need to think, oh, how have I
Speaker 1: quickly judged someone because of their weight or assumed something
Speaker 1: about them because of the shape or size of their body,
Speaker 1: when really I know nothing about their relationship with food,
Speaker 1: I know nothing about their relationship with movement. It might
Speaker 1: be on point, but we make certain assumptions that maybe
Speaker 1: they don't take care of themselves like society says. And
Speaker 1: this to kind of further your point here, um Jessamin
Speaker 1: Stanley who is a black, bigger bodied yoga teacher on Instagram,
Speaker 1: Jessamine Stanley is her name. You can check her out.
Speaker 1: She's definitely made a big impact over the years. She
Speaker 1: wrote this, and I think that a lot of us
Speaker 1: can kind of agree with this, But she said, the
Speaker 1: reality is yoga has absolutely nothing to do with what
Speaker 1: you look like. When I first started, I was often
Speaker 1: the only fat person at classes, and frequently the only
Speaker 1: black person, so it was very alienating. I grew up
Speaker 1: with the misconception that fitness means thinness. Now we understand
Speaker 1: that being thin can also be unhealthy. Things have to
Speaker 1: be stable, long lasting, and feel good for you. But
Speaker 1: I love that idea, because there's so much to unpack
Speaker 1: that fitness means thinness, right, like that was what we
Speaker 1: were sold on, and that's not what fitness and movement is.
Speaker 1: I mean for me, even maybe it's it's exploring the
Speaker 1: word fitness, Maybe it's changing it to movement for me
Speaker 1: that feels a little bit more organic to me than
Speaker 1: exercise or fitness. So these are just like little things
Speaker 1: that have kind of built up in our brain, these
Speaker 1: associations between health one body size, fitness, thinness, who knows,
Speaker 1: you know the millions of other correlations that we've built
Speaker 1: up along the way. And then it's too like what
Speaker 1: are we chasing? Are you chasing wellness like mind, body, spirit,
Speaker 1: or are you chasing thinness? I think that other body sizes,
Speaker 1: some people might be scared of seeing on a magazine cover.
Speaker 1: They may have it more figured out than some of
Speaker 1: the people criticizing them, and they may be living a
Speaker 1: more fulfilling, joyful, satisfying life. That's a presumption on my part.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that I think you're You're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And that's again that narrow idea that health is one thing.
Speaker 1: When we look at people in the blue zones who
Speaker 1: I always love to reference. The blue zones are the
Speaker 1: places in the world where people live the longest. The
Speaker 1: things that make up the defining characteristics of those who
Speaker 1: live there are things like they have really long meals
Speaker 1: with their community each day, they prioritize sleep. All these
Speaker 1: things that get sucked away from you when you are
Speaker 1: in pursuit of thinness in a way that is not
Speaker 1: even possible for you personally. So you know, you're missing
Speaker 1: out on meal times, you're eating as little as possible,
Speaker 1: You're not socializing with friends because you know your diet
Speaker 1: doesn't fit into that world. You're waking up extra early
Speaker 1: to get that work out in. I mean that's causing
Speaker 1: an increase in cortisol in the body, the stress hormone.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know this idea Exactly what you're saying
Speaker 1: is that we need to expand out on what health is,
Speaker 1: how we get it and recognize that it's not just
Speaker 1: diet exercise, diet exercise, what does your body look like?
Speaker 1: And not being scared of magazine so shout out Cosmo.
Speaker 1: I think this was Cosmo UK possibly that featured these
Speaker 1: women and that they were like, you know what we're
Speaker 1: going to do things differently, and I hope that more
Speaker 1: and more we start to see people do things differently
Speaker 1: and that'll empower people to speak about it, maybe other
Speaker 1: companies to follow suit, and then we can start seeing
Speaker 1: diversity out there instead of like what we saw growing up,
Speaker 1: which was one type of body type that everybody's chasing after.
Speaker 1: That again, yes, is not normal. It's not for some people. Yes,
Speaker 1: that might be how they were born, and I get it.
Speaker 1: Lisa and I always to like to recognize that we
Speaker 1: come from a place of privilege to white then girls
Speaker 1: here talking about this, so that's not lost on us
Speaker 1: for one second. I think it's even more important that
Speaker 1: we use where we sit to say, hey, this isn't
Speaker 1: just you know, the bodies that we were born into
Speaker 1: aren't the elite bodies that everybody should go after. I
Speaker 1: mean we're different shapes and sizes. I mean we might
Speaker 1: be thin white girls, yes, but we do look differently.
Speaker 1: And I feel like in my unhealthier days, I probably
Speaker 1: would have been looking at Leasta like, oh, I wish
Speaker 1: I could be as thin as Lisa. But then there's
Speaker 1: always someone looking at someone wishing they could be as
Speaker 1: thin as that person, and it's just this unhealthy pattern. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just thankful that we're starting to get to a
Speaker 1: place where we're seeing different bodies. And I hope that
Speaker 1: ten twenty thirty years from now, the conversation looks way
Speaker 1: different than where it is now, and that we've normalized
Speaker 1: normal bodies, right, and let's see a range of let's
Speaker 1: celebrate all women's bodies who have something to do or
Speaker 1: say in this world, like, let's just see them all
Speaker 1: and then just redefining in general what healthy is. I
Speaker 1: love that we hope that this conversation provided some tools
Speaker 1: for you to better navigate this conversation that often becomes
Speaker 1: just black and white when you see a nay say
Speaker 1: or who may say obesity causes disease. You have the
Speaker 1: tool the ability to pause for a second and say,
Speaker 1: wait a second, here, there's a correlation, but there's not causation. Therefore,
Speaker 1: what I do next about this information, Whether it's a
Speaker 1: belief or an action, it matters, and you have a
Speaker 1: choice to really pivot the conversations that you have in
Speaker 1: your home. Okay, So Lisa, can I before we go
Speaker 1: share something real quick that I'm not proud of from
Speaker 1: my past. So if I would go to a particular
Speaker 1: workout class. Since you brought up yoga a minute ago,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about that. If I had a instructor that
Speaker 1: I thought was overweight, I immediately had a thought like, oh,
Speaker 1: is this class going to be good? I'm not proud
Speaker 1: of that, but I had that thought. And if I
Speaker 1: had an instructor that was super thin, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think I'm probably gonna like this class, and that's
Speaker 1: messed up. But the reason why I share it is
Speaker 1: to give other people hope that if you've had those
Speaker 1: similar thoughts before, like, you can change your thinking and
Speaker 1: you can walk into a yoga class and if the
Speaker 1: instructor looks different than you thought, you can and be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this class is probably gonna be amazing. Uh. Not to
Speaker 1: prejudge a teacher based on their size. Yeah, And I think,
Speaker 1: like you said, change your thinking, it's expanding your consciousness,
Speaker 1: Like you're becoming so much more of a wholesome thinker
Speaker 1: that hasn't just been brainwashed by diet culture to think
Speaker 1: that health means somebody looks a certain way. And I
Speaker 1: think that's making you a better overall person as well.
Speaker 1: And I know that wasn't something easy to admit, Amy,
Speaker 1: And you did so for good reason, because it's going
Speaker 1: to stop somebody in their tracks. Perhaps the next time
Speaker 1: they have a thought just like that, and then you
Speaker 1: can bring curiosity to it, because that's how compassion happens
Speaker 1: for yourself and for others. It m it's not overnight
Speaker 1: thinking that changes the way we have been thought to think.
Speaker 1: It's about Oh I just had this thought. Oh, but
Speaker 1: Amy said this. Let me take a moment to like,
Speaker 1: let that settle in my body and see what I
Speaker 1: really feel here. Okay, I'm going to move forward with
Speaker 1: this thought that is an accurate one, a compassion one,
Speaker 1: one that reflects who I am. Fear driven, yeah, fear
Speaker 1: driven yes. And and again not even your fault. The
Speaker 1: big conversation that has been going on for years and
Speaker 1: years and years has put the thoughts like that into
Speaker 1: your head. I don't think that we're just born thinking
Speaker 1: that about people. Know, it's been put into our minds.
Speaker 1: But um, when we're putting in the work and we're
Speaker 1: trying to do better than we have a choice in
Speaker 1: how we want to move forward once the information is
Speaker 1: presented to us. I love that. Okay, So we haven't
Speaker 1: done an episode just Amy and I solo in a
Speaker 1: long time, and we usually have a guest on board,
Speaker 1: so we just wanted to take this moment to thank
Speaker 1: our Outweigh fam all of you for being supporters. There
Speaker 1: are those of you who have been with us since
Speaker 1: day one, and then there are those of you who
Speaker 1: joined on more recently, and your loyalty listening to episode
Speaker 1: after episode is not lost on us. We love getting
Speaker 1: your emails. Future emails can go to hello at Outweigh
Speaker 1: podcast dot com. We listen to your stories, we take
Speaker 1: your feedback, and we're just so grateful to have a
Speaker 1: community that is so willing. It's been such an honor
Speaker 1: to co host this with Amy, and we just wanted
Speaker 1: to share gratitude while we didn't have a guest. Yes,
Speaker 1: thank you Lisa for all that you do, and then
Speaker 1: yes to our amazing listeners. I feel like, through their
Speaker 1: stories that are shared with us and then things that
Speaker 1: I learned from you, I'm at work in progress constantly,
Speaker 1: and I'm thankful to have Outweigh as one of my tools,
Speaker 1: a tool in my toolbox to help me keep growing.
Speaker 1: So thank you Lisa, and we will see all of
Speaker 1: you next Saturday. Every Saturday we put up a new episode,
Speaker 1: so we'll see then