WEBVTT - This Is Healthy Too 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.840 I won't let my body out out everything that I'm 0:00:04.960 --> 0:00:08.800 made do, won't spend my life trying to change. I'm 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:12.440 learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.840 I feel free, I know who every part of me. 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:24.000 It's beautiful and then will always out way if you 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.200 feel it with yours in the air, she'll love to 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.960 the boom by it. There, let's say good day and 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:36.559 did you and die out? Okay, Amy and Lisa here, 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.960 and we want to start off today's episode by talking 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.960 about have you ever judged a book by its cover? 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:47.320 I know I have, Lisa definitely, Yeah, guilty, And that's 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.720 one of the things we grow up learning, Like you're 0:00:49.760 --> 0:00:51.920 not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:56.560 society actually, when it comes to judging someone by their weight, 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.200 has told us, oh, yeah, no problem, judge a book 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.920 by its cover all day long, like because yeah, that 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:06.399 is bad. So, Lisa, fat phobia is actually a thing, 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.440 and some people might not be familiar with that. So 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.760 I'd like for you to just go ahead and define 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:13.640 that for us and then we can talk about it. Yeah, 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:17.800 So similar to homophobia or any sort of phobia that 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:20.720 we have, it's some sort of a prejudice, whether you 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.360 realize it or not, so it could be a little 0:01:22.400 --> 0:01:26.280 bit more subconscious against bigger bodies. And the reason we 0:01:26.280 --> 0:01:28.520 did want to talk about this article is because when 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.880 I saw the controversy that occurred from Cosmos saying this 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:34.880 is healthy and showing very different bodies than the one 0:01:34.920 --> 0:01:37.880 that you and I saw, I thought, you know, nobody 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:40.319 here is to blame, like when we say maybe it's 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:43.639 the fat phobic people, even that sounds judgey to those people, 0:01:43.880 --> 0:01:46.319 when in reality we have been living in a diet 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.720 culture bubble that has really, really, really enforced the idea 0:01:51.000 --> 0:01:56.040 that bigger bodies are burdensome to society. Therefore they are 0:01:56.080 --> 0:01:59.880 to blame for their illnesses, for their increased medical call 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.200 for the diseases they get. Rather than zooming out and 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:07.400 recognizing how are fat phobia? Our fear of bigger bodies 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.880 actually gets in the way of us being able to 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:13.080 take care of ourselves. This makes me think of the 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:16.760 controversy a while back with Jillian Michaels and Lizzo and 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.720 the passionate video that you put up coming to Lizzo's 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:26.120 defense and the comments that Jillian Michael's making, and we 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:27.760 didn't talk about this before, so you don't know it 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.000 was going to bring it up, but it definitely was 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:34.080 the first time that I was exposed to how certain 0:02:34.120 --> 0:02:37.680 people are treated. I think I probably before really focusing 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:39.840 in on what you were saying, I would have heard 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:43.080 Julian Michael's comments and like, oh, well, she's a trainer, 0:02:43.200 --> 0:02:46.040 she's on a TV show called Vigas Loser, she's an expert, 0:02:46.160 --> 0:02:48.200 she knows what she's talking about. And then it would 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.800 have rolled off my back, like Okay, I'm not gonna 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:54.320 think twice about it, but I remember watching your video 0:02:54.360 --> 0:02:58.000 that you put up and you're calling her out, Jillie Michaels, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:00.840 that is, and I was, We're proud of you, but 0:03:00.919 --> 0:03:03.560 also it is a very enlightening video for me to 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.640 be like, oh wait a second, I am part of 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:09.520 the problem. I wouldn't define myself as fat phobic, but 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:13.600 I don't do anything to join in on helping ind 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:16.440 this type of rhetoric, right, And it wasn't you know 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:19.400 the purpose of that video or wasn't too like you said, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.400 like go after Jillian Michaels. It was an opportunity to 0:03:22.600 --> 0:03:26.000 educate where there's this gray area that we're really missing. 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.480 So people who are in the Jillian Michael's camp, if 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:32.280 you will, and then people who are in the body 0:03:32.320 --> 0:03:35.280 liberation space, you know, over here. So we've got two 0:03:35.280 --> 0:03:38.760 different people. They're not having a conversation because they're both 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.240 advocating for health, but neither sees the other one as 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:48.440 really prioritizing health. So the Jillian Michael's camp people think that, 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:51.480 you know, wait, is the most obvious sign of not 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:56.280 being healthy. Therefore, by putting bigger bodies out there and 0:03:56.600 --> 0:03:59.840 celebrating them, right, by celebrating different bodies that weren't on 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:01.760 the cover of the magazines that you and I saw, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.000 we are sending the wrong message. Whereas people over in 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:08.440 the body liberation camp, let's call it, are like, wait 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.800 a second, we haven't actually made people healthier by selling 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:15.960 them on this one body ideal that thin is better, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.400 because then we're failing to consider all the things people do. Obviously, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:23.320 we talked about this on that way in pursuit of 0:04:23.360 --> 0:04:27.640 that body that is likely not even you know, attainable 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:31.600 to them because of their genetic pool and their bodies 0:04:31.640 --> 0:04:34.280 and you know the way that they're naturally made, and 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:38.000 you know, pursuing diet after diet, putting themselves through rigorous 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:43.240 workouts in pain, versus can we show ourselves love nutrition 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.520 movement in a way that feels good? And the saddest 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:48.880 part of all of this is most people didn't make 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.440 it past the cover that said this is healthy and 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:54.039 show different types of bodies. They didn't open up to 0:04:54.080 --> 0:04:58.200 the eleven women spread where each women really tells a 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.520 powerful story about how she finds strength and health from 0:05:02.520 --> 0:05:06.320 exercising in some ways or through her their mental health. 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.359 And there was so much nuance to this article, but 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:12.920 it became so easy to pick apart because people were 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:17.120 so quote unquote afraid of what message we're sending to 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.839 the youth about their bodies by putting a bigger body, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.800 if you will, on on the cover. But why were 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.880 we not concerned by putting real thin bodies on the 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.000 cover when that wasn't attainable or healthy? Okay? So yeah, 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:32.440 you mentioned these two camps, and it's like somewhere we 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:36.080 got to meet in the middle and prioritize health all around, 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:39.719 not just like, oh, you wanna lose weight in a 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:43.320 super extreme way and work out a billion hours a 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:47.160 day and restrict tons of food. Sure, Okay, that's healthy. 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:50.120 But then you want to just go eat whatever you 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.800 want and not move your body and worry about anything. Like, 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.839 I don't know where it all meets together, but health 0:05:56.960 --> 0:05:59.920 just should not be defined by weight, end of story, right, 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.400 and on both ends of the spectrum, right. And that's 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:06.120 why we have to recognize that we can't judge somebody's 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.480 health by the way that they look. So it shouldn't 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.200 be a dispute to say this is healthy, and then 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.960 just because it's not what we've traditionally seen for us 0:06:15.000 --> 0:06:17.360 to say, no, it's obese, and obesity causes a b 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.520 C d n E. So really, the key kicker here 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.000 that I want people to feel equipped to go home 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:27.760 and have these conversations is that higher weights, obesity, being overweight, 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:30.520 all those things do not cause a b C d 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:34.160 n E. Insert hypertension, diabetes, you know, heart disease. Whatever 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.960 the slew of popular ones that we hear is is 0:06:37.000 --> 0:06:40.760 there a correlation between the two, Yes, there is a correlation. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.200 What does that mean. It means that being of a 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:48.000 higher weight is a risk factor for these diseases. But 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.080 if there's one thing we know about how all science 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.600 works is that correlation does not mean causation. So we 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.279 got very blurry somewhere that if you just lose weight, 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:59.720 all your problems will go away, and because you've gained weight, 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.039 you are the problem. And this has really interfered with 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.560 doctors taking patients seriously. This is kind of what this is, 0:07:06.560 --> 0:07:08.799 what weight stigma is. We talked about that a lot 0:07:09.000 --> 0:07:12.720 with our episode with doctor Joshua. You really broke that down. 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:14.119 So if you want to go a little bit further 0:07:14.160 --> 0:07:17.320 into weight stigma, highly suggest his episode from season one. 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.040 But are we giving people the proper care? Are we 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:24.080 evaluating their labs, are we looking at what could be 0:07:24.120 --> 0:07:27.120 causing disease in their body? Or are we simply giving 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.400 them a prescription to lose weight thinking that their weight 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:33.160 is the problem. And this has led to fat shaming 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:36.040 and worst of all, when we just tell somebody just 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:40.200 lose weight, it causes negative health behaviors to be pursued, 0:07:40.520 --> 0:07:44.000 not to mention mental health issues and self esteem issues. 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:48.000 So how can we empower people beyond just lose weight 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:50.960 or gain weight? Right the specific kind of like what 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.360 your body side should be. We need to talk about 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.720 healthy behaviors and if people made their way into the 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.880 actual magazine not just past the cover where there was 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:03.160 easy you know, I'm pro this, or pro that the 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:07.200 gray area of the conversation would have been exposed. Here 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.600 are healthy things that you can do to promote your 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:13.240 well being. Mental health is part of this conversation. You know, 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.680 these things are kind of just getting lost in translation 0:08:15.720 --> 0:08:19.400 because people come with really, really really strong opinions as 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.080 to what healthy is because of the diet cultural world 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.760 that we've been sucked into like a vortex, that we 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:28.280 take it as hard truth, and we need to kind 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:30.720 of back up and put our listening ears on, look 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:34.160 for different types of information and really question the beliefs 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.360 I believe that we've been given so that we can 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:39.600 show up, be compassionate to our neighbors and our friends 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.959 and our colleagues, and actually help people by being healthier, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:49.280 not being thinner period and not being so judgmental towards 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.199 how they look and then what you're concluding about their body. 0:08:53.280 --> 0:08:55.360 And then I think that, like you said, we're in 0:08:55.400 --> 0:08:59.200 this vortex and we've heard for much of our life 0:08:59.320 --> 0:09:02.959 that equals at but that's just not true, right, And 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.400 I think, like what I loved about the article so 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.600 much is that it wasn't showing a diversity of body 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:11.760 and saying, you know, this is healthy, you should pursue this, 0:09:11.840 --> 0:09:14.480 because that's what everybody took away from it is you're 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.600 promoting obesity. You think that you know, all women should 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.000 aim to look like this. It's like, let's just move 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.840 away from that narrative and recognize all bodies are different. 0:09:22.880 --> 0:09:25.000 So when I see somebody on the cover, it doesn't 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.199 take away from what I need to look like. Right, 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.960 Maybe they're an expert that has some information that they 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:32.960 need to deliver. Maybe it doesn't matter what they actually 0:09:33.000 --> 0:09:36.960 look like. But what we are saying by finally not 0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:40.800 seeing that one body type on the cover of the 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.320 magazine is that there isn't one way to be healthy. 0:09:44.360 --> 0:09:47.400 So maybe the message wasn't this is healthy, but what 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.240 we've previously seen isn't healthy. It was just expanding our 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.199 view of what bodies could look like because that is 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.920 what we see when we're on the street. Right, it 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:02.400 should be modeled in our media consumption. Different body types, 0:10:02.440 --> 0:10:06.040 different races, different nationality, people with scars, people in wheelchairs, 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:08.360 all types of things. Right, we should see that in 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:11.000 the media, so that the one person that we put 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:14.000 on a pedestal per month on the cover of a magazine, 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:17.880 isn't the one ideal that we're all in pursuit of. Yeah, 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:22.480 wellness is not one size fits all, and again, for 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:26.320 years that's what we saw. So of course that would 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:29.560 be some people's thinking. But when you step back and 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.920 look at the big picture, it's like, oh, whoa. We 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:34.920 were brainwashed in a sense to chase after that and 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:38.200 think that that equals healthy. My brain keeps going back 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:41.560 to the fact like that I'm picturing a skinny model 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.760 on a magazine and we're like, Okay, that's okay because 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.880 she's skinny, But we have no idea the lengths that 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.280 she went to to get there. We have no idea 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.160 her mental state, her stress levels. Maybe she's naturally born 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.280 that way, but let's say she had to go to 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:01.280 extreme measures to get that body, or it was photoshopped 0:11:01.400 --> 0:11:04.360 or airbrush to look that way, and then we're stuck 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:08.199 having to chase after this, which again makes you think 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:12.040 of our doctor Joshua conversation. Is the stress we put 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.400 on ourselves from restriction and not enjoying certain foods. It 0:11:16.480 --> 0:11:20.000 can be or maybe close to worse than if you 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:22.760 were to just eat the food. Anyways, I think that 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:26.720 still everybody is looking for a firm answer what is healthy? 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:30.520 We we grasped black and white. We want the quick 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.319 answers in our life. And this is a beautiful conversation 0:11:33.480 --> 0:11:36.720 that isn't going to you know, the viewpoint isn't going 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.320 to be changed overnight. These are conversations that we need 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.440 to have with our daughters and our sons and broad 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.240 in the perspective so that we could really change the 0:11:46.360 --> 0:11:51.280 narrative and help people recognize that dieting and healthy eating 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:54.480 and living are not synonymous. Right. That's that's kind of 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.120 a secondary conversation that needs to kind of be broken 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.280 down here. Of course, you can kind of get blurry 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.440 here because as you know, I went through orthorexia. I 0:12:02.440 --> 0:12:05.000 don't know if you identify in that way, but in 0:12:05.160 --> 0:12:09.000 orthorexia I was obsessed with healthy eating. I was not 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:12.760 calorically restricting, Um, you know, it's just obsessive about the 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:17.480 quality of my food. And that too was unhealthy. So 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:22.120 really the focus needs to be on a healthy behavior. Right, 0:12:22.200 --> 0:12:24.800 What are the things that we can do that isn't 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:29.600 obsessive so that it's sustainable, so that each daughters, son, 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:33.360 me and you Amy, every individual can start to really 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:36.720 recognize that health is an inside job, and it takes 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:42.520 considering ourselves and really throwing out an internalized message that 0:12:42.800 --> 0:12:46.080 I will be healthy when I look like X. Because 0:12:46.240 --> 0:12:49.040 when we are pursuing that, we're throwing out all those 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.640 things that feel good. Right, Exercises just to burn or 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.000 to chisel, not because it You know, when we move 0:12:56.040 --> 0:12:57.880 our bodies, when we are rolling my wrists on the 0:12:57.920 --> 0:13:00.880 camera right now looking at Amy, we're bringing synovial fluid 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:04.360 into our joints. Like what about longevity? The view of 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.600 health has become so narrowly defined by weight that we've 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:12.160 forgotten so many amazing things of how we can take 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:14.800 care of our bodies. One naysayer, I just wanted to 0:13:14.800 --> 0:13:17.000 pull it up because I think again it's it's these 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.800 are important conversations to have is she wrote. I get 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.240 what it's like dealing with insecurities. Trust me, I get it. 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:28.240 But the answer isn't to minimize the role of weight, diet, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.520 and exercise plays in our health. So this, to me, 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.160 just made it so clear that this person didn't open 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.720 the cover to really explore what was beneath, that all 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:41.800 they saw was a bigger body, and because of everything 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:45.040 that we've heard about bigger bodies, there was an assumption 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:49.160 that these individuals were less healthy because of that belief 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.280 that not, you know, the traditional body that we know 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:55.760 is a cause for disease. But like we said, there 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.520 is a correlation between higher weight and disease. That does 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.000 not mean that everybody at a higher weight is going 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.880 to get a disease. This is a risk factor, but 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:11.000 that doesn't mean there are confounding factors that all happen 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:14.400 inside of a body that have are outside of your 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.480 control that do cause disease. And so it's really need 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:20.960 to back up and recognize your This article had nothing 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.480 to say about diet and exercise in a negative way 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.960 if anything, and you read the pages, these women seem 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:29.800 to have beautiful relationships to food and exercise. All they 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:31.960 saw was the weight and they got stuck up on 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:36.440 it because of their fear of their bodies essentially. So 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:39.760 I mean, just take this conversation that we're having and 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.800 continue it with your yourself. It may not be something 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.960 that you need to discuss with others. I mean, maybe 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.680 it is if certain comments come up, But I feel 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.920 like this is a conversation we also need to be 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.520 having with ourselves because it might be new to you 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:56.600 and you might need to think, oh, how have I 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:01.640 quickly judged someone because of their weight or assumed something 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.760 about them because of the shape or size of their body, 0:15:04.800 --> 0:15:08.680 when really I know nothing about their relationship with food, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:12.000 I know nothing about their relationship with movement. It might 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:16.280 be on point, but we make certain assumptions that maybe 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:20.080 they don't take care of themselves like society says. And 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.200 this to kind of further your point here, um Jessamin 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:28.200 Stanley who is a black, bigger bodied yoga teacher on Instagram, 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.360 Jessamine Stanley is her name. You can check her out. 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.000 She's definitely made a big impact over the years. She 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.400 wrote this, and I think that a lot of us 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:37.920 can kind of agree with this, But she said, the 0:15:37.960 --> 0:15:41.040 reality is yoga has absolutely nothing to do with what 0:15:41.120 --> 0:15:43.640 you look like. When I first started, I was often 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.400 the only fat person at classes, and frequently the only 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:49.320 black person, so it was very alienating. I grew up 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:53.360 with the misconception that fitness means thinness. Now we understand 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.120 that being thin can also be unhealthy. Things have to 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.040 be stable, long lasting, and feel good for you. But 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:01.200 I love that idea, because there's so much to unpack 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:04.520 that fitness means thinness, right, like that was what we 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:08.640 were sold on, and that's not what fitness and movement is. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.120 I mean for me, even maybe it's it's exploring the 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.600 word fitness, Maybe it's changing it to movement for me 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.640 that feels a little bit more organic to me than 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.120 exercise or fitness. So these are just like little things 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:20.840 that have kind of built up in our brain, these 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:25.520 associations between health one body size, fitness, thinness, who knows, 0:16:25.720 --> 0:16:28.240 you know the millions of other correlations that we've built 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.120 up along the way. And then it's too like what 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:35.840 are we chasing? Are you chasing wellness like mind, body, spirit, 0:16:36.320 --> 0:16:40.960 or are you chasing thinness? I think that other body sizes, 0:16:41.640 --> 0:16:45.560 some people might be scared of seeing on a magazine cover. 0:16:45.840 --> 0:16:48.440 They may have it more figured out than some of 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.960 the people criticizing them, and they may be living a 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:56.480 more fulfilling, joyful, satisfying life. That's a presumption on my part. 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.160 I'm not saying that I think you're You're absolutely right. 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.480 And that's again that narrow idea that health is one thing. 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:05.440 When we look at people in the blue zones who 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:07.359 I always love to reference. The blue zones are the 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:10.199 places in the world where people live the longest. The 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:13.440 things that make up the defining characteristics of those who 0:17:13.480 --> 0:17:16.680 live there are things like they have really long meals 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:21.200 with their community each day, they prioritize sleep. All these 0:17:21.240 --> 0:17:24.800 things that get sucked away from you when you are 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:28.199 in pursuit of thinness in a way that is not 0:17:28.320 --> 0:17:32.639 even possible for you personally. So you know, you're missing 0:17:32.640 --> 0:17:35.040 out on meal times, you're eating as little as possible, 0:17:35.240 --> 0:17:38.560 You're not socializing with friends because you know your diet 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.600 doesn't fit into that world. You're waking up extra early 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:43.760 to get that work out in. I mean that's causing 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:46.520 an increase in cortisol in the body, the stress hormone. 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:49.240 It's just, you know this idea Exactly what you're saying 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.679 is that we need to expand out on what health is, 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.760 how we get it and recognize that it's not just 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:58.800 diet exercise, diet exercise, what does your body look like? 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:03.600 And not being scared of magazine so shout out Cosmo. 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:07.200 I think this was Cosmo UK possibly that featured these 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.080 women and that they were like, you know what we're 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.280 going to do things differently, and I hope that more 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:14.640 and more we start to see people do things differently 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:18.320 and that'll empower people to speak about it, maybe other 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.760 companies to follow suit, and then we can start seeing 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.280 diversity out there instead of like what we saw growing up, 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:28.920 which was one type of body type that everybody's chasing after. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:33.520 That again, yes, is not normal. It's not for some people. Yes, 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.560 that might be how they were born, and I get it. 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:39.119 Lisa and I always to like to recognize that we 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:43.160 come from a place of privilege to white then girls 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.920 here talking about this, so that's not lost on us 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.480 for one second. I think it's even more important that 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.480 we use where we sit to say, hey, this isn't 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:54.119 just you know, the bodies that we were born into 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.199 aren't the elite bodies that everybody should go after. I 0:18:57.200 --> 0:18:59.800 mean we're different shapes and sizes. I mean we might 0:18:59.840 --> 0:19:03.080 be thin white girls, yes, but we do look differently. 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.760 And I feel like in my unhealthier days, I probably 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.160 would have been looking at Leasta like, oh, I wish 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.800 I could be as thin as Lisa. But then there's 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.400 always someone looking at someone wishing they could be as 0:19:13.440 --> 0:19:17.640 thin as that person, and it's just this unhealthy pattern. Well, 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:20.080 I'm just thankful that we're starting to get to a 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.920 place where we're seeing different bodies. And I hope that 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:28.120 ten twenty thirty years from now, the conversation looks way 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:31.880 different than where it is now, and that we've normalized 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.000 normal bodies, right, and let's see a range of let's 0:19:35.040 --> 0:19:39.520 celebrate all women's bodies who have something to do or 0:19:39.560 --> 0:19:42.400 say in this world, like, let's just see them all 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.119 and then just redefining in general what healthy is. I 0:19:46.200 --> 0:19:48.840 love that we hope that this conversation provided some tools 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:51.800 for you to better navigate this conversation that often becomes 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.080 just black and white when you see a nay say 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:57.240 or who may say obesity causes disease. You have the 0:19:57.240 --> 0:19:59.560 tool the ability to pause for a second and say, 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:05.520 wait a second, here, there's a correlation, but there's not causation. Therefore, 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.600 what I do next about this information, Whether it's a 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.960 belief or an action, it matters, and you have a 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:15.000 choice to really pivot the conversations that you have in 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.520 your home. Okay, So Lisa, can I before we go 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.760 share something real quick that I'm not proud of from 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:23.359 my past. So if I would go to a particular 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.120 workout class. Since you brought up yoga a minute ago, 0:20:26.200 --> 0:20:29.439 I'll talk about that. If I had a instructor that 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:34.000 I thought was overweight, I immediately had a thought like, oh, 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:36.560 is this class going to be good? I'm not proud 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:38.919 of that, but I had that thought. And if I 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:43.120 had an instructor that was super thin, I was like, Okay, 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:45.879 I think I'm probably gonna like this class, and that's 0:20:46.160 --> 0:20:48.280 messed up. But the reason why I share it is 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:50.640 to give other people hope that if you've had those 0:20:50.680 --> 0:20:54.240 similar thoughts before, like, you can change your thinking and 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:57.240 you can walk into a yoga class and if the 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:01.000 instructor looks different than you thought, you can and be like, Okay, 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.760 this class is probably gonna be amazing. Uh. Not to 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:07.080 prejudge a teacher based on their size. Yeah, And I think, 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:10.000 like you said, change your thinking, it's expanding your consciousness, 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:14.000 Like you're becoming so much more of a wholesome thinker 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.520 that hasn't just been brainwashed by diet culture to think 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:20.840 that health means somebody looks a certain way. And I 0:21:20.880 --> 0:21:23.440 think that's making you a better overall person as well. 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:25.600 And I know that wasn't something easy to admit, Amy, 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:28.040 And you did so for good reason, because it's going 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.520 to stop somebody in their tracks. Perhaps the next time 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.159 they have a thought just like that, and then you 0:21:33.160 --> 0:21:36.200 can bring curiosity to it, because that's how compassion happens 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:39.040 for yourself and for others. It m it's not overnight 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.680 thinking that changes the way we have been thought to think. 0:21:41.760 --> 0:21:43.919 It's about Oh I just had this thought. Oh, but 0:21:43.960 --> 0:21:46.239 Amy said this. Let me take a moment to like, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.679 let that settle in my body and see what I 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.600 really feel here. Okay, I'm going to move forward with 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:54.320 this thought that is an accurate one, a compassion one, 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.680