WEBVTT - Elf with Mara Wilson 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.680 On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 0:00:03.840 --> 0:00:07.720 women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:13.480 Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:18.120 it with the Bedel Cast. Hey, it's Caitlin and Jamie 0:00:18.560 --> 0:00:22.799 and you're about to hear our episode on ELF. But 0:00:23.040 --> 0:00:25.520 first we just had a few quick plugs that we 0:00:25.560 --> 0:00:28.600 wanted to do at the top of the show. Starting 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:33.199 with our next live show in Los Angeles is January twelve. 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.640 I'm so excited guest Danielle Perez. Ever heard of her? 0:00:37.640 --> 0:00:40.240 Friend of the cast might remember her from our hocus 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.240 Pocus episode. Let's go back to your research. So she's 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:45.400 coming back and we're talking about Romeo and Michelle's high 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.240 school reunion movie and I haven't seen yet. Oh my goodness, 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.120 I'm so excited for you to see it. So that's 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.440 on January twelve at nine pm at The Ruby, and 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:57.000 tickets are on sale for that at bectelcast dot com 0:00:57.040 --> 0:00:59.600 and click on live appearances. And just a reminder that 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.000 we have a live show in l A every second 0:01:03.080 --> 0:01:06.000 Saturday of the month at the Ruby at the Ruby 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:08.960 at nine pm, So mark your calendars and don't do 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:11.600 anything else except for that, and I think all of 0:01:11.600 --> 0:01:14.200 our regulars can attest because we do have rags, join 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.680 the fam. It's a small, intimate, fun show. We always 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:22.520 hang after. We bring scloocy merch. What more could you want? 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:28.040 Nothing more? Nothing? Um speaking of other live shows, there 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.400 are still tickets left to some of our West Coast 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:37.440 tour shows in January. So at the time of this recording, 0:01:37.440 --> 0:01:41.160 we've got tickets left to our San Francisco show on January. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.479 That's a part of SF sketch Fest. We're talking about 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:47.600 the Breakfast Club, and there are tickets left to our 0:01:47.640 --> 0:01:52.559 show in Portland on January. We're talking about Fight Club 0:01:52.880 --> 0:01:55.120 as well as the two of us are doing a 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.240 stand up show in Seattle. Yes, just the two of us, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:01.640 Just the two of us doing our stand up coming day. 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.400 I ever heard of it. If you haven't, you're going 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.320 to have to fly yourself out to Seattle. Sorry. Yeah, 0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:11.839 So that's on January, and tickets for all of those 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.600 shows are same place backdelcast dot com and click on 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:17.760 live appearances And then, um, I would just like to 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.560 plug a couple of things that just I'm doing. Sorry Jamie, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:25.280 but like okay, I know. I'm so sorry, but you 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:30.919 know I'm running some screenwriting workshops. You can come. Yes, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:35.079 I would love to learn on um. Yeah, if you 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.560 want to learn from someone who has a master's degree 0:02:38.600 --> 0:02:43.800 in screen right now bought. Yes, I don't know what 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:45.400 I'm doing, but I would love to. Oh my god, 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:48.720 I'd love to teach you. So um if you want 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:53.000 to come with Jamie to either. The one I'm doing 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:59.600 in um Portland is January at seven pm, and I'm 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.359 doing on in Seattle on January. I think that one's 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:07.120 in the afternoon. It's a Saturday. Yeah, come and learn 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:10.440 from a master. And it's just like a crash course 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:13.600 in all things writing for the screen. So I love it. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:18.239 Thank you great um. And more info and the registration 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:21.560 links are on my website Caitlin Dronte dot com and 0:03:21.600 --> 0:03:24.519 then click on the show's tab. You can go to 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:27.560 my website, but it's mostly dead links and a lot 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:30.880 of videos of hot dogs. I I recently hyper linked there. 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:36.840 My website is eighty present the episode of How It's 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.520 Made of Various Meats. Oh that sounds disgusting, no offense, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:44.560 but Jamie Loft is his innocent. Dot com is the 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:49.040 hyperlink for all the meat videos. Yes, please just go 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.480 there for fun anyway. So those are the quick plugs 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:53.920 we wanted to do at the top of the show. 0:03:54.080 --> 0:04:00.840 So you log hou it's made uppisode for hot dogs anyways. 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:04.320 Enjoyed that? Yeah, enjoy the episode. It's a great one. 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.920 And uh, well we'll see you soon. I'm going to 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:16.000 tweet that. Ok. Bye cast. Hi, Hi everyone, thanks for 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.800 coming to the Becdel Cast. Hi everyone. My name is 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.400 Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is 0:04:24.400 --> 0:04:28.800 our show that you're at. And maybe was anyone here 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:36.039 dragged by a loved one? Raise your hands? It always 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:41.919 takes a second. They're like, well, thank you for coming. 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:48.120 By round of applause, who has seen the movie? Else? Great? 0:04:48.480 --> 0:04:52.320 Everyone but me? Cool? Is there anyone by round of 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:59.080 applause who has not seen el Yes, allies, there's always 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.960 a couple, there's always of you. So we are the 0:05:01.960 --> 0:05:05.919 Bechtel Cast. We talk about the portrayal and representation of women, 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:10.640 among other things in film, using the Bechdel test as 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:13.680 like a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:16.120 And if you don't know what the Bechtel test is UH. 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.160 First of all, a shame on you. Second of all, 0:05:18.720 --> 0:05:22.440 I take it back, You're fine, But it is is. 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:28.240 It's a media test invented by Alison Bechdel that requires 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:33.000 that there be two female identifying characters in a narrative that, 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.800 for us, have names, and they have to talk to 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.279 each other about something other than a man for a 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:43.360 total of two lines of dialogue. So if you've seen Elf, 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.520 just think about that for a second. A lot of 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.599 movies don't do this. They're not able to do what 0:05:50.839 --> 0:05:55.799 is truly the bare minimum. My favorite bad pass because 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.839 I most like most media tests, it is a flawed metric. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:01.800 UH is the She's All that where one of the 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.159 named female characters tells the other named female character to 0:06:05.320 --> 0:06:10.680 kill herself and the first one's like, hey, you're like 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:13.839 technically it passes. Yeah, a really good one. Um. So, 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.600 do we have any other orders of business that we 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.039 need to attend to before we introduce our guests? I 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:23.359 don't think so. I skipped the middleman tonight. You iced yourself. 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:29.479 I iced myself quietly backstage like a lady, and I 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:32.800 just said you've been nice, and then I twisted the 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:36.320 cap myself and got down to business. So I'm ready 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.760 to go beautiful. Yeah. Well, without much further ado, let's 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:44.440 introduce our guest. She is a recovering child actor. She's 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.800 a writer. She wrote the book Where Am I Now? 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.320 And she has a newsletter called shan't we tell the Vicar? 0:06:51.880 --> 0:07:01.719 Please give it up? Fromara Wilson. Hey, hello, Oh my goodness. 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.599 The audience is so close, and that is something that 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:07.160 is completely wasted on the podcast audience because they can't 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:09.640 say it. I hate when people do that when they 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.480 record podcasts and they'll be like and then I went 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:13.720 like this, and then they'll do something with their hand 0:07:13.760 --> 0:07:15.880 that we can't see and I'm just like, explain what 0:07:15.960 --> 0:07:19.600 you just did? So so yeah, so so for those 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:21.720 listening at home, the audience is close. But they're all 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:23.720 beautiful people, so it's nice to look at you all. 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:27.160 I do like the jarring nature of a room where 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.200 you can make eye contact with everyone. Well, I get 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:34.040 a good feeling from this audience, so yeah, I got 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:36.720 a good feeling. They're they're receptive audience so far, and 0:07:36.760 --> 0:07:38.840 they're very smiley, so yeah, this is good. Yes, some 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:48.240 good eyeballs. Yes, because we can see you too. So 0:07:48.400 --> 0:07:51.400 Mara tell us about your relationship, your your history with 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:55.280 the movie Elf. Okay, well, uh so, I remember when 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.120 I was sixteen, I thought that I was like highbrow 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.800 by reading like Entertainment Weekly, and you know, I was 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.120 reading The Advocate a lot too. I was reading like 0:08:04.160 --> 0:08:06.680 a lot of you know, which is like a game magazine. 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.520 I was really in the closet guys, um, and I was, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:12.920 but I was really like, I was reading a lot 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.720 about entertainment, and uh, I heard that Elf was a 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.040 good movie. And I knew that my family we were 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:21.400 going to go see movies over over winter break, and 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:24.800 my stepmother would usually choose a romantic comedy that I 0:08:24.840 --> 0:08:28.720 didn't like because I was a very cynical teenager. Um. 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.440 And somehow, being a cynical teenager, I still chose to 0:08:31.480 --> 0:08:33.480 see ELF. I was like, let's go see Elf. I've 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.280 heard that it's good and for like a holiday movie, 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.680 you know, maybe, but like I feel like nobody and 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.319 my family enjoyed it. And then like we were really 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.319 quiet in the way home, and I feel like everybody. 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:48.280 I feel like my parents didn't like get my sister, 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.400 my little sister says she liked it, but she didn't 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.120 seem to at the time, and I feel like everybody 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.480 blamed me, like they didn't like the movie and they 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.040 blamed me. And I remember being like being sixteen and 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.600 being like, this is so stupid. So I didn't really 0:09:00.600 --> 0:09:04.120 think anything of it until a couple of years later. Um. 0:09:04.120 --> 0:09:06.319 It's also probably worth mentioning that I grew up Jewish, 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.640 um so a lot of holiday movies, although I was 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:12.560 actually in a Christmas movie and at one point in 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:15.080 my life, and uh, one thing I've got to say 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:16.959 is if you ever have the chance to be in 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.920 a Christmas movie or sing a Christmas song or something 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:23.520 like that, go for it. Because even if it's bad, 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.760 they need stuff to like fill the air on TV 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:30.800 and radio. So even if it's terrible, do it and 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:32.800 you will still make money. Like it is a very 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:37.559 practical thing. Working in a Christmas working in the Christmas industry, 0:09:37.679 --> 0:09:40.200 you can say, is a very very that is a 0:09:40.320 --> 0:09:44.040 very pragmatic move. So, um, I didn't think much of it, 0:09:44.080 --> 0:09:46.439 although I did see the Broadway musical a couple of 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.280 years ago because I was babysitting in New York and 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.760 the kids I babysat their parents worked for for theaters 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.240 and so we got front row tickets to elf um 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:59.360 the Music Hall, and like, you know, you can think 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:01.160 that like Will fair Old does a lot in this movie, 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:05.080 but imagine the actor who had to play Buddy for 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:08.880 two hours straight like there was an intermission and singing 0:10:09.040 --> 0:10:12.720 dance the whole freaking time. Like that guy, that guy 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.360 is amazing. I wish I could remember his name. I 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:17.360 am like still in awe of that guy. And not 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:19.920 only that, but the kids I was babysitting with. They 0:10:19.920 --> 0:10:21.520 were like all dressed up to go to the theater 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:23.040 and they were sitting in the front row with me. 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.000 And at the end, he bowed and he bowed and 0:10:26.080 --> 0:10:29.040 he waved right at the kid that was one of 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.320 the kids who was like front row center. So like 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:34.839 that guy has my heart forever, like like Will Ferrell 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.840 your grape, but like this is the true Buddy in 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:41.720 my head. But I watched it again the other day, 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.240 and um, it's not my favorite movie and it's not 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.720 my favorite Christmas movie. But I was like, Okay, I 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.439 get what they were going for now I'm not like 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.280 I'm not a cynical teenager anymore. And there's also a 0:10:51.320 --> 0:10:53.600 lot of actors in it that I like and you know, 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.400 so I was just kind of like, Okay, this is 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.120 this is kind of cute. There's also things that really 0:10:58.160 --> 0:11:00.440 really have not aged well or even and we're kind 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.800 of weird at the time, but but I imagine that 0:11:03.800 --> 0:11:05.640 we are going to get into this. So that is 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.920 my long protracted relationship to ELF, which I thought I 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:10.800 didn't have much of a relationship with it, but I 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.839 just talked for five minutes straight, so I guess I do. 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.120 I just want to give a shout out to the 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.920 guy who played SpongeBob on Broadway now god right, because 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:27.880 he had what Ethan Slater, Yes, shout out, you know, 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.959 I get you. Shout out to Ethan Slater. He first 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:36.560 of all, is hot, which is SpongeBob shouldn't be hot. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:40.520 But yeah, yeah, wow, it's crazy. Not as hot as 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.760 squid word, but that I have a I have a 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:48.360 power ranking that you can approach me afterwards if you dare. Wow. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.760 But SpongeBob, I mean he like climbed up like two 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:56.560 stories set and like the third song and then he 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.440 has to still be SpongeBob, but he has muscles. It's great. 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:01.480 I know somebody who was in SpongeBob the musical and 0:12:01.520 --> 0:12:04.640 she also has limitless energy, So I feel like that 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.400 that kind of makes sense. That's kind of what they 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:09.240 go for. I love it. Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:11.720 I feel really bad because I'm just like lauding this guy, 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.760 but I can't remember what his name was. So just kids, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:22.160 everybody go home and google Buddy the elf In musical 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:26.920 in Uh yeah, everybody do that and then like find 0:12:27.000 --> 0:12:29.480 him on Twitter and be like Marl Wilson says, you're awesome. 0:12:30.559 --> 0:12:32.679 Don't do that? Uh do you do that? If you? 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:36.240 If you are Jamie, what's your history and relationship with 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:37.840 the movie. I feel like this has happened to me 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:40.440 with a lot of recent movies where I thought I 0:12:40.440 --> 0:12:44.280 had seen the movie but I actually hadn't, and I 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:48.440 had just seen a lot of T shirts and had 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.920 heard a lot of people say you've seen that. I 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:54.960 think I just like, through years of lying, convinced myself 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:57.760 and had seen it. I had. I had the same 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:01.040 issue with Nightmare before Christmas, was like, nope, just been 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:06.200 to a hot topic. I don't know what store this 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.360 movie is associated with, so I don't have quite the 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:13.560 same names, but the same problem. Yeah, sure, I don't 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:15.880 know it's weird because I was like the perfect age 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.280 to see this movie when it came out. And I 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:22.520 don't know what my mom's problem with Will Ferrell was exactly, 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:26.600 but what she told me because I remember asking to 0:13:26.679 --> 0:13:29.720 see this movie because we you know, we were festive. 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.160 You know, we're like we would see stuff one of 0:13:34.240 --> 0:13:36.680 those fun festive families. I was like, Mom, can we 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.840 go see Elf? And she was like, you know how 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:44.840 I feel about that man? But her thing was too tall. 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:48.600 I was like what she just was like, but there 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.480 must have been a real reason, but she would just 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:54.440 be like, too tall, We're not going my mom. My 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:58.240 mom really didn't like an American Tale for some reason. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:01.160 I don't know why, and maybe maybe she felt that 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.920 they were like clearly Jewish characters, but they were like 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.480 Christian washed into it because there was like a five 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.640 of the Christmas Mouth story or something. I kind of 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.680 got that feeling. But she told me she I was like, 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.280 I want to see five Will goes West, but she 0:14:13.320 --> 0:14:15.880 really didn't like an American tale and she said, no, 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:17.439 we can't see that. It's it's going to be too 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:23.200 gory and violent. I love a good mom. Yeah, right, 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.280 when you're later you're just like, oh, you just didn't 0:14:25.320 --> 0:14:33.320 want to go exactly exactly. So I just saw it today. Great, Yeah, 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.120 I saw it when it came out in the theater 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:39.000 possibly I can't remember, but within at least a year, 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.760 but coming out I didn't exactly remember how I felt 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:45.600 about it, except that the other day. You know, when 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.800 like Netflix DVDs were popular and you would like rate 0:14:49.000 --> 0:14:52.080 what you thought of the DVD that you got. I 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.320 just saw the other day that I had rated Elf 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:59.600 one star out of five. So apparently I absolutely hated it, 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.080 I first thought, because I didn't rewatch it at any 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:05.040 point until just a couple of days ago. And um, 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:09.680 I don't like it, But I have really good reasons 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:14.120 and I can't wait to tell you them. So shall 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:19.200 I do the recap? Yeah? Alrighty? So okay, Well, first 0:15:19.240 --> 0:15:22.960 of all, okay, a story about a naive guy who 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:24.760 comes from a different part of the world and who 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.240 longs to be accepted by a new family. What is 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:35.520 this Paddington from a mile away that time? Okay? So um, 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:38.680 we learned about elves in the North Pole who build 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:42.040 toys for Santa. They work in Santa's workshop and one Christmas, 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:46.560 while Santa is delivering presents at an orphanage. A baby 0:15:46.600 --> 0:15:50.200 crawls into a stack of toys, and he accidentally takes 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.240 the baby with him to the North Pole. The baby 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:56.880 remained silent for the entirety of the rest of the trip. 0:15:57.000 --> 0:16:02.280 That bothered me. One of the elves adopts the baby. 0:16:02.920 --> 0:16:08.880 His name is Papa Elf Hot Hot. What if you're 0:16:08.960 --> 0:16:14.320 just like my My name's Daddy. No, I'm single, I 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:20.040 have no children. I liked that. And the baby gets 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.600 named Buddy, and he grows up to be Will Ferrell, 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:29.600 and um, he's he's not like the other elves. Um, 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:33.960 he's tall, and he's not as good at making toys. 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.880 And he eventually learned the truth that he is a 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.600 human whose mother died and whose father is this like 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.120 big shop publishing guy in New York City. So right 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.680 at the bat, we have a weird Disney princess vibe 0:16:48.760 --> 0:16:51.800 about Buddy where they're just like mother character. We're not 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:55.640 gonna want to bother with that. Let's get to two 0:16:56.120 --> 0:17:00.960 men in conflict as soon as possible. So his dad 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.200 didn't even know that Buddy existed. So Buddy sets off 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.720 to New York City to understand by the way they 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.080 like they like, don't I feel like it's still really 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:13.119 taboo to have to have somebody like have a child 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.520 when they aren't married in movies. Have you noticed that, 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:19.000 like they're still still this thing or they don't. They'll 0:17:19.040 --> 0:17:20.800 they'll have like a single parent in it, but they 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.920 won't ever And they really like didn't touch on the fact. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:25.760 You know it's a family movie, but you know, you 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:28.119 never knew that she existed. They never The way that 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.760 they touch on that I think is really interesting. It's 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:34.480 like very specifically avoidant of like these people had sex 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.119 and they were really young, and she decided to keep 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:38.080 the baby, but didn't community like that's that's like a 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:42.320 complicated thing to to, you know, but they're trying to 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.720 keep it like that's still such like a for some reason, 0:17:44.720 --> 0:17:46.919 it's still like a taboo subject, I think, And it 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:51.360 totally ignores like the concept of like, well, she probably 0:17:51.400 --> 0:17:54.000 didn't tell him for a reason. What if he's a 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:57.040 bad guy, Like there's I don't know that, And then 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:58.840 you keep seeing the same picture of her, but he's 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:03.000 always longingly like I wish my toxic father would you know, 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:08.159 like spoon me. But you're like a woman has died, 0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:12.280 Will Ferrell, What are you doing? Buddy sets off to 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.400 New York City to find his dad and to find 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:24.760 himself and cool. Sorry okay, but the only world that 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.160 he knows is the elf world. So he shows up, 0:18:28.840 --> 0:18:32.360 he walks, hear, he works, Does he walk through Canada? 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.440 How is he not cold and dead? He also gets 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:40.080 attacked by a raccoon. Do you do to elves? Get 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.160 like inoculations against rabies like the ones that you give 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.760 to your cats and dogs. He also survives entirely on sugar, Like, 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.879 how is he not dead? What do the elves know 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:54.960 that we don't about help and longitivity? Maybe that's why 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:56.800 they keep the whole thing a secret, because they're afraid 0:18:56.800 --> 0:18:59.000 that they're going to like get you know, taken over 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.520 for their secret. Right. Well, at one point, he says 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.359 that his daddy Elf is like four hundred He's like, 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.920 it took him four hundred nine years to figure out 0:19:06.960 --> 0:19:09.080 how to make blah blah blah. Like, so yeah, they've 0:19:09.119 --> 0:19:11.680 got like the elixir of life up there. Think, Yeah, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:17.359 it's kind of frightening and amazing. Yeah it's Christmas magic. Okay, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:21.280 So that's that's our untapped resource, you know, or that 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:25.280 they're they're renewable resources. Christmas. So he shows up and 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.000 he's naive. He you know, he's still dressed as an elf, 0:19:29.160 --> 0:19:31.720 and he like thinks life is all about like hugs 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:35.600 and candy canes and rainbows and the lack of knowledge 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:42.359 of boundaries. Yes, So he shows up at his father's office, 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:46.719 but his father, Walter Hobbs played by James con He's like, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.200 get out of here. I don't have no son. He's 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:55.160 mean and he's on Santa's Naughty List, so that's why 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:58.840 he's like, screw you, buddy. And then Buddy goes to 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:00.840 a department store and he's are like, oh, I'll fit 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:05.720 in here in Santa's like whatever, like North Pole Station. 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.639 They yeah, he's basically at like Macy's, and they mistake 0:20:09.760 --> 0:20:12.800 him for being an employee there. So he just seamlessly 0:20:13.000 --> 0:20:17.160 integrates into that community. And that's where he meets Jovi, 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:25.800 which is Zoe Deschanel's character Deschanel without bangs. It's confusing, 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:30.600 I know. And she works there as an elf, and Buddy, 0:20:30.880 --> 0:20:35.080 here's Jovie singing a song. Baby it's cold outside, not 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:40.679 just anywhere it's in the show. She's in the shower. 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:42.800 We will, we'll talk about it. There's not time to 0:20:42.800 --> 0:20:45.879 get into it here. My blood went cult. So Santa 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:48.040 comes into the store, but he's like, you're not the 0:20:48.080 --> 0:20:51.879 real Santa. They get into a fistfight. Buddy gets a 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:55.200 restraining order filed against him, and then we meet Um 0:20:55.280 --> 0:20:58.359 Walter's wife and son, and we learned that maybe Walter 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.199 isn't the most like attend to family man. But he 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:05.040 does bail Buddy out of jail, and he's like, let's 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.600 get this paternity test. Let's get this figured out. It 0:21:07.680 --> 0:21:10.920 turns out Buddy is his biological son, so he brings 0:21:11.000 --> 0:21:15.879 him home. That paternity test takes like two seconds. I 0:21:15.920 --> 0:21:19.240 think there's a missed opportunity for a really good Maury scene. 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.040 There was, there really was. I think he would have 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.560 done the cameo no problem. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:31.679 shame the doctor played the doctor though. So so Walter 0:21:31.880 --> 0:21:35.560 is not happy about like Buddy being in his life. Also, 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:38.399 his brother Michael, who's like, I don't know, twelve or 0:21:38.400 --> 0:21:41.160 something like that, is also not pleased. But then there's 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:45.920 a snowball fight and then Michael's like, oh wait, Buddy's cool. Um, 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.560 and then he encouraged his buddy to ask out Jovi. Yeah, 0:21:49.800 --> 0:21:54.280 very like the like suddenly a twelve year old knows 0:21:54.359 --> 0:21:58.560 how adults were. He's like, oh, are you trying to 0:21:58.680 --> 0:22:02.720 get it in with so you're just like you you're twelve. 0:22:02.840 --> 0:22:08.000 Please stop. Later on, Walter takes Buddy to work with him, 0:22:08.359 --> 0:22:10.840 sends Buddy to like the mail room because Walter is 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:13.480 like trying to fix this problem with the children's book 0:22:13.480 --> 0:22:16.719 at this publishing company, and he brings in Miles Finch, 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:19.840 and Miles Finch is a little person who Buddy mistakes 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:27.040 for an elf, and Miles understandably gets upset and storms 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:33.760 out first that Peter Dinkledge. Yeah, Peter Dinklage kicking his 0:22:33.840 --> 0:22:39.200 ass A very satisfying scene to watch. He extremely wins 0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:43.719 that fight. Yes, So then Walter is furious and he's like, Buddy, 0:22:43.800 --> 0:22:46.320 get out of here. I don't care where you go, 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:50.480 just leave my life. And then Buddy runs away, and 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:53.720 then Michael comes in. He's like, I'm scared our son. 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:57.000 Buddy ran away, And this is all happening in the 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.480 middle of this big pitch meeting, and then Walter has 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.679 to decide to like, is he going to choose his 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:08.639 career or his family. Guess what I choose the family. 0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.680 This is all happening on Christmas Eve, by the way, 0:23:16.320 --> 0:23:21.040 Santa is out delivering presents, but there's no Christmas spirit 0:23:21.240 --> 0:23:24.760 because Buddy has no sense of belonging anymore, I guess. 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:29.760 But there's a lot of third act like sure that 0:23:29.920 --> 0:23:34.720 something about the sleigh isn't happening. It's powered by Christmas spirit, 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:37.600 but nobody in New York believes in Christmas anymore or 0:23:37.680 --> 0:23:40.520 something right, and everyone watches the local news at the 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:45.520 same time. You're just like, yeah, sure, whatever, we just 0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:47.320 got to get this lane. And everybody gets to the 0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:50.440 same spot in Manhattan within five minutes. My friend pointed 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:52.919 that out when we were watching, and he was like, everybody, 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:55.320 everybody is just they're like, you know, okay, as soon 0:23:55.359 --> 0:23:58.960 as I heard, and very very much like an improv scene, 0:23:58.960 --> 0:24:03.040 just leaping in, like you know. And then the second 0:24:03.080 --> 0:24:08.879 the dad sings, the plots resolved singing singing the power 0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:13.520 of music or something, but something Christmas cheers. That's way 0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:24.280 to spread Christmas cheer is singing loud hard disagree. So 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:28.000 Buddy's all like I gotta save Christmas. And Michael and 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.240 Walter show up to help. There's a guy who was 0:24:30.280 --> 0:24:33.359 actively harassing a reporter and he's like, you have a 0:24:33.440 --> 0:24:38.480 really nice mouth. Also, the other newscaster is harassing that reporter. 0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:43.040 He's like, sorry to interrupt your first big story, you dumbass, 0:24:43.359 --> 0:24:46.440 but I'm going to talk now, and then it cuts 0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:49.760 back to her and someone is harassing her. But then 0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:54.800 it's so weird the trajectory of that female newscaster. For 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:56.840 the few times we see her, we're just like, who 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.720 are you? Because it's like she's reporting the story, cut 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.000 away it to her boss, who was like, don't listen 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:06.040 to her. Then we see her with Michael Buddy's little 0:25:06.040 --> 0:25:09.920 brother and then he's like, all you wanted for Christmas 0:25:10.040 --> 0:25:13.119 was for your boyfriend to propose. And then she's like 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.240 stop the cameras and she screams at a child, and 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:19.320 it just like I don't know where I land on 0:25:19.400 --> 0:25:26.000 this lady. So basically after that, jovis like, oh, we 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:28.639 gotta get Christmas cheer up and running again. So she 0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:30.760 starts to sing, even though she doesn't like to sing 0:25:30.800 --> 0:25:33.800 in public, but then everyone joins in and then the 0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.560 sleigh starts to work, and then Christmas is saved and 0:25:36.600 --> 0:25:40.000 then like the due mall of the story. Don't worry, 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:44.119 I have a master's scream screen. Oh my god, because 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:49.879 I feel ill. The family accepts him now, and he 0:25:49.920 --> 0:25:53.200 wrote a children Buddy wrote a children's book about himself 0:25:53.400 --> 0:25:56.720 self indulgent. Hello, Uh, way to blow your load on, 0:25:56.840 --> 0:25:58.800 like you know, on one thing, Like, how the hell 0:25:58.840 --> 0:26:02.840 are you gonna follow that up? Yeah? He should have 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:08.520 made it a series, Yeah, idiot. Uh. And then he 0:26:08.800 --> 0:26:12.800 and Jovie get married, I guess, and have a baby, 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.000 and then they go to visit Elf Daddy and that's 0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:23.200 the end of the movie. This is a fun movie 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.000 where you're just like, you're like, is a woman going 0:26:26.080 --> 0:26:29.159 to appear in this movie at all? Is this a 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:33.359 show shank situation? Like it takes a very long time 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:38.199 for women to affect the plot at all. And I 0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:43.720 would argue that that even hardly happens. Yes, you're right, Well, 0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:46.920 let's go home. There's a lot of like implied women, 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:48.919 or there's a lot of women who are like a 0:26:48.960 --> 0:26:52.880 woman gave birth to Buddy, we don't see her alive 0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:57.240 a photo of her. Well, even from the very beginning, 0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:01.399 like in the in Santa's Workshop, there are way more 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:07.000 male elves than lady elves, and I think there's only 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:11.280 one ELF woman who gets aligned. She yeah, and then 0:27:11.320 --> 0:27:16.280 she's like, buddy, you're awesome, and then she just disappeared. 0:27:16.440 --> 0:27:21.000 They're also they're also all white, I noticed, which is like, yeah, 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.280 I've seen I feel like other depictions of elves I've 0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.000 seen have been like, like, no, there are multicultural elves, 0:27:26.600 --> 0:27:28.919 elves from different Yeah, it's supposed to be like a 0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:35.960 worldwide everyone, but this is like fashi elves just like yikes, 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:38.280 And it makes me wonders since there are so few 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.560 elf women. Earlier, like when the narrator is setting everything up, 0:27:42.600 --> 0:27:44.960 he's like, oh, there's only three jobs that are available 0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:48.800 to elves. It's either making shoes, baking cookies, or Santa's workshop. 0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.000 And it's like, okay, so does that mean all the 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.520 elf women are baking cookies, like doing the domestic thing. 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:59.359 I'm speculating here, but who's the elf Betty freedom, you know, 0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.680 stepping in? You know? Also its fucking unionized man, right, 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:07.520 I mean there's only three jobs available for you? Yeah? Yeah, 0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:12.400 there just aren't enough elf woman in the workforce, right, Um, 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:14.639 I don't know they were so quick to adopt Buddy. 0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:17.199 I mean they needed more people in there, and they 0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.239 needed they needed Yeah, they needed hands. I don't know. 0:28:20.320 --> 0:28:23.320 Maybe it's a Smurfette principal thing where there's only and 0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.600 they all. I mean, you would think population would be 0:28:25.600 --> 0:28:29.040 an issue if everyone's living five hundred years, But I 0:28:29.080 --> 0:28:32.200 don't know. Maybe some elves die very young. I don't 0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:37.000 know what age does elf menopause hit and then six 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:41.480 h Yeah, like you start craving things that aren't sugar 0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:43.760 when you get et goo through elf menopause or something. 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.080 It's it's yeah, it's very different. I'd like a detailed 0:28:47.080 --> 0:28:50.320 study of that. I do. I do enjoy that it 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.120 was the elf daddy who like took the responsibility to 0:28:54.280 --> 0:28:56.360 adopt Buddy, because I feel like it could have easily 0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.600 been like the one elf woman you see takes on 0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:03.720 like the matron mother role. Sure, but that doesn't happen, 0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.560 and so we get a single dad. So yes, he's 0:29:06.600 --> 0:29:09.240 also funny, is very He has that kind of like 0:29:09.600 --> 0:29:11.560 we were just talking about SpongeBob, that kind of SpongeBob 0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:16.080 quality of like of not being overly masculine or just 0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:19.000 not being being kind of you know, well until he 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:22.880 gets until he likes meets Jovi and and like disrespects 0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:25.200 people's boundaries in New York and stuff like. But at first, 0:29:25.200 --> 0:29:27.160 it's like, oh, it's sweet. He's not doing things that 0:29:27.200 --> 0:29:29.800 are like traditionally gendered and it's it's kind of cute. 0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:32.760 It's like, oh, he's he's really into giving people hugs 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:35.560 and being sweet and giving compliments and things. You know, Okay, 0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:39.080 he should ask before he does. Yeah. Yeah, As it 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:41.480 goes on and the same way, yeah, I mean, it's 0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:45.560 like you definitely have like a cool version of masculinity 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:51.840 presented here where he is never trying to wrong anyone ever, 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.640 and like you know, comes from a place of love. 0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.640 And then it's like, oh, we have a consent issue here. 0:29:58.360 --> 0:30:00.800 I don't know. I mean it's because he's he is 0:30:00.840 --> 0:30:04.920 such a lovable character and like he I don't know, 0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:09.400 I don't think he's too tall personally. I think he's 0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:13.560 just tall enough. Uh see. I had a different read 0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:17.920 on that, where he is like a very loving, accepting person, 0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:21.880 but once he gets into the real world, he is 0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:24.920 acting like a man baby. It's almost like the born 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:29.680 Sexy Yesterday trope thing happening, but like born sexy yeah, 0:30:29.760 --> 0:30:34.640 non sexy yesterday. I'm sorry, but I mean he's not like, 0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:38.680 you know, a traditional like hot lady bombshell. Like he's 0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:42.480 not loud at any point, although he does expose himself 0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:49.920 to but he has like this childlike mind that I 0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:54.440 only have the patients for for about eleven seconds one star, 0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:01.840 which gets weird when you consider the romantic subplot of 0:31:01.920 --> 0:31:05.680 the movie where he has like a childlike understanding of 0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:08.520 the world and of everyone around him. But then he 0:31:08.560 --> 0:31:11.960 does like start to feel sexual feelings for a woman 0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:17.600 who reciprocates, but he has given her no reason other 0:31:17.600 --> 0:31:20.360 than the fact that he's like a nice guy, which 0:31:20.760 --> 0:31:24.040 is a good reason. But he's a baby. He has 0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.640 the mind of a baby, and she's like, oh, well 0:31:27.640 --> 0:31:34.600 he's hot, and so they're really is odd. Well, that's 0:31:34.760 --> 0:31:37.120 what That was one of my main issues with the 0:31:37.200 --> 0:31:40.800 movie in general, as you can remove the romantic subplot 0:31:40.880 --> 0:31:44.200 and nothing about the movie would change, Like if Zoe 0:31:44.280 --> 0:31:47.400 Deschanelle didn't sing acapella at the end of this movie, 0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.480 nothing would change. Uh. And that's I mean, I feel 0:31:51.480 --> 0:31:53.360 like that is such a I'm sure it was like 0:31:53.480 --> 0:31:56.040 you know, studio and of shoehorn In and he's got 0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:59.040 to fall in love, but they don't really give her 0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:04.400 anything of narrative impact to do other than be his 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:09.480 wife eventually, which is too bad because there I think 0:32:09.480 --> 0:32:12.400 that there are so many interesting, good characters in this movie. 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:16.120 But I agree with you that, like, like going straight 0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:19.160 to an adult relationship that leads to marriage what it 0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:22.840 appears to be very quickly, doesn't make a lot of 0:32:22.880 --> 0:32:26.920 sense for this character who has just entered the adult 0:32:27.240 --> 0:32:30.040 world for the first time, And it doesn't make a 0:32:30.040 --> 0:32:32.640 lot of sense for Jovi, who it's like, yeah, he's 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:36.280 a nice guy, but he like came into a room 0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:38.920 while she was showering and began to sing the most 0:32:38.960 --> 0:32:43.640 problematic Christmas song available that for me is like enough 0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.880 reason to be like, yeah, I'm not going to date 0:32:45.960 --> 0:32:48.880 this person. So he comes into the locker room while 0:32:48.920 --> 0:32:53.000 she's showering and sings baby it's cold outside and growing 0:32:53.080 --> 0:32:56.120 up Jewish. This was I think the first time that 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.800 I had heard that song, Like I was a teenager 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:00.120 and it was the first time, like I probab they 0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.600 like harded in the background, but I I didn't know 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.480 what it was. I didn't know the name of the song. 0:33:04.920 --> 0:33:07.400 I didn't know that I really did not know the lyrics, 0:33:07.880 --> 0:33:10.080 so this was like kind of a route awakening for 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.400 me at sixteen and being like what the funk is 0:33:12.480 --> 0:33:16.200 this song? And like I'm sorry, like like like Christians, 0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:18.280 you know, I I know you only have like the 0:33:18.320 --> 0:33:22.600 two holidays, whereas we have like fifty you know, and 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:25.760 and like I mean, Hanakah has really only lumped in 0:33:25.800 --> 0:33:28.200 with Christmas at all, Like we don't need hanaka songs 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:30.360 and movies so much because it's actually a very minor holiday. 0:33:30.440 --> 0:33:32.760 The only reason that it's put together that that you 0:33:32.840 --> 0:33:35.760 like get exchange presents at all is because of capitalism 0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:37.960 and marketing and you know, putting these things in to 0:33:38.040 --> 0:33:40.160 make more money to market to more people. See some 0:33:40.240 --> 0:33:43.360 Jews in the audience nodding um and then but yeah, 0:33:43.400 --> 0:33:45.520 but that's and that's so it's it's you know, it's 0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:47.560 one of many holidays for us. I get that, like 0:33:47.640 --> 0:33:50.040 Christmas is like a big deal, but I don't get 0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:53.840 why you guys want to make Christmas sexy. Believe me, 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.080 I am all for sexy things, Like sexiness has its own, 0:33:57.120 --> 0:33:58.680 has it, Like you know, there's a time and place 0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:00.280 for a lot of sexy things. And you know, I 0:34:00.280 --> 0:34:04.600 have nothing against sexiness, but like, Christmas isn't a sexy thing. 0:34:05.200 --> 0:34:09.480 And I don't know why this song about being cold 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:13.839 and and you know this this playful creepiness where it's 0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:16.799 actually written as the parts are the parts for that 0:34:16.880 --> 0:34:20.320 song are actually called wolf and mouse. I don't know 0:34:20.360 --> 0:34:23.680 if you guys knew that. Yeah, And and there's so 0:34:23.680 --> 0:34:25.840 many people now who there there's there's a backlash to, 0:34:25.960 --> 0:34:28.200 and then there's the backlash to the backlash, and then 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:29.960 there was the backlash of the backlash of the backlash. 0:34:29.960 --> 0:34:32.560 But just like overall, like fuck that song. It's not 0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.120 a good song. And Christmas isn't sexy. There's nothing sexy 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:40.840 about hanging around with your family. I love my family, 0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.040 I'm close with my family, but there is nothing sexy 0:34:43.080 --> 0:34:51.840 about that. Yes, agree, I totally agree with my family sexy, 0:34:51.920 --> 0:34:59.640 no kidding. One star. So the shower scene is troubling, 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:02.200 and then a moment the worst leaning up to the 0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:07.080 shower scene is also troubling because it's Buddy seeing Jovi 0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:10.760 for the first time. There's like this like angelic lighting 0:35:10.840 --> 0:35:13.080 that lights up from the Christmas tree and he's like oh, 0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.239 and then he goes over to her and tries to 0:35:16.280 --> 0:35:20.000 initiate a conversation and a few different times she either says, 0:35:20.040 --> 0:35:23.520 please stop talking to me, go away, thanks, but I 0:35:23.560 --> 0:35:25.239 don't sing. He's like trying to get her to sing 0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.640 or something, and then he like blocks her from being 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:29.440 able to move. She's like trying to get past him 0:35:29.480 --> 0:35:33.040 and he's like blocking her path. And then just a 0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:36.680 few scenes later is the shower scene where he hears 0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:40.080 her singing goes into the women's locker room. Also there 0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.360 the Elves get a locker room, Like what is this place? 0:35:43.440 --> 0:35:46.040 I was just like, this is a really nice shower 0:35:46.320 --> 0:35:48.799 they actually they do. They have and and one thing 0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:51.400 that I noticed there is that she goes, why are 0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.399 you bothering me? Did Crumpet put you up to this? 0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.960 And I and I realized that was David Sedaris's name. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:59.520 When he was in Santa Land, he wrote a book, 0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:02.680 you know, the Santaland Diaries, and he wrote that into 0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:04.600 a lot of his writings, and I was like, oh, 0:36:04.640 --> 0:36:06.760 Amy Sadaris, his sister is in this movie. That's probably 0:36:06.760 --> 0:36:09.000 a shout out to to David saderas a lot of 0:36:09.040 --> 0:36:12.080 the you know, New York comedians knew him, and uh 0:36:12.120 --> 0:36:14.040 and yeah, but yeah, he has written about, and he 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.080 has says that they did actually get locker rooms to 0:36:16.200 --> 0:36:19.279 change in. Interesting. Yeah, and because they had like their 0:36:19.320 --> 0:36:21.319 special uniforms that were given to them, you had to 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:23.000 you know, you had to wear what it was you 0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:25.919 would change and you know, they probably weren't as nice 0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.120 as the ones they're also Zoeya Shanell says she's showering 0:36:29.120 --> 0:36:31.799 there because her water was turned off. But like it 0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:34.200 shows her apartment later and that is a nice apartment 0:36:34.200 --> 0:36:36.680 by New York standards. That is a nice big apartment 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.080 to be living in, you know, on your own, right. 0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:44.960 But she's eating ramen, so she's poor, yes, But because 0:36:45.000 --> 0:36:47.600 he has such a childlike understanding of the world, he 0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:51.720 doesn't realize that he's like invading this space. Apparently doesn't 0:36:51.719 --> 0:36:53.919 realize that she is naked in the shower and then 0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:56.680 just like is sitting near where she is and then 0:36:56.920 --> 0:37:01.400 sings along with her. So that's horrible and scary. Um. 0:37:01.440 --> 0:37:03.719 She does confront him a few scenes later where she 0:37:04.160 --> 0:37:09.160 but that scene ends with her being like because she 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.520 starts by saying like, hey, I need to talk to you, 0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:14.520 and then she asked him, why did you do that? 0:37:14.600 --> 0:37:18.160 And he's like, what I just love Christmas. And then 0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:22.080 she's like Okay, it's like that is they could have 0:37:22.120 --> 0:37:24.880 cut the first two scenes and replaced it with anything 0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:28.480 I feel like, yeah, to establish their relationship because like, 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:31.759 because watching this, I the thing is that, like I know, 0:37:31.880 --> 0:37:34.320 there's the obnoxious like you know, this person makes you 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:36.440 see the world in like a different way. But like 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.560 I've got to say that like being like a grumpy, 0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:42.680 morbid person myself, Like I have dated a lot of 0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.160 people where like they came in and they were like, 0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:46.440 let's have fun and I was like the grudge and 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:49.200 be like okay, and then I was like, alright, fun, 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:51.800 I'm actually having fun. Okay, this is a good time. 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:53.600 And yeah, that's actually like that's happened to me in 0:37:53.640 --> 0:37:55.840 my life, where like, you know, you meet somebody cheerful 0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:57.440 and in affect your life in a positive way, Like 0:37:57.480 --> 0:37:59.279 that is a thing that happens. It's a stupid trope, 0:37:59.320 --> 0:38:01.400 but it is a thing that has happened in my 0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.239 life at least, And you know it could have been 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.719 done in a way without him creeping on her, right, 0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:09.080 But the fact that so many romantic storylines in movies 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:12.520 start out this way where it's like she's like, no, no, no, 0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:14.439 get away from me, don't talk to me. The most 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.680 egregious example of this, I think, at least of the 0:38:16.680 --> 0:38:19.720 movies that we've covered, was The Notebook, where like Rachel 0:38:19.760 --> 0:38:24.480 McAdam says, no, like kill myself if you don't go 0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:27.640 on a little date with me. You know. I had 0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:29.520 a guy come up to me. I was I was 0:38:29.560 --> 0:38:31.880 actually I think my friend is in the audience tonight, 0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:34.879 who was with me. We were in Europe together after 0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.320 my as she's smiling, I can see her. Uh. And 0:38:37.840 --> 0:38:40.480 I was in Vienna and we were like separated for 0:38:40.520 --> 0:38:42.520 a few days and I went off on my own 0:38:42.560 --> 0:38:44.640 to this park and there was like a ferris wheel nearby, 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:47.040 and this guy came by and asked me, asked me 0:38:47.080 --> 0:38:48.360 to go out with him and go to a party 0:38:48.360 --> 0:38:50.080 with him, and I was like no, and I told 0:38:50.160 --> 0:38:51.799 him over and over again. I was like, no, I 0:38:51.840 --> 0:38:54.560 have a boyfriend's no, I'm not interested. I'm not interested. 0:38:54.640 --> 0:38:57.160 And he tried to get really philosophical and ME was like, 0:38:57.160 --> 0:38:58.600 but you just don't know where life is going to 0:38:58.680 --> 0:39:00.720 leave to you. And I think eventually I just walked away. 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:04.120 He never did anything like physically threatening. He was just 0:39:04.280 --> 0:39:07.000 it was just kind of stupid. But like I told 0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:09.719 some people about it afterwards and they were like, oh, 0:39:09.800 --> 0:39:16.560 like the Notebook, Oh that romantic fan Pi. That's yeah, 0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:20.959 that movie is just like The Notebooks a whole other situation. Yeah. 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.560 I think it's like I'm gonna kill myself if you 0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:25.960 don't be my girlfriend. Well yeah, see, I I had 0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.960 like a really complicated relationship with that movie because I 0:39:27.960 --> 0:39:29.560 was like so much about this as upsetting, but I 0:39:29.600 --> 0:39:32.680 had like a really big crush on Rachel McAdams, so yeah, 0:39:32.840 --> 0:39:34.640 so but then I watched her in other things, so 0:39:34.840 --> 0:39:42.200 you know. Yeah. The thing that's especially troubling about this 0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.719 movie is that it is appropriate for children, So like 0:39:46.120 --> 0:39:48.440 kids are seeing this and they're like, oh, that's how 0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.440 you ask a woman out. You wear her down until 0:39:51.760 --> 0:39:56.160 she finally says yes, and then that works. And that's yeah. 0:39:56.200 --> 0:39:58.600 I mean, it's like a lot of it is. It's 0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:02.880 like super trophy. And I would almost attribute it to 0:40:03.000 --> 0:40:05.760 bad writing. But it's bad writing because so many people 0:40:05.760 --> 0:40:10.760 had already done uh freaky not good relationship that teaches 0:40:10.800 --> 0:40:13.600 you to not respect what a woman is telling you. 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.000 I don't think I mean, I don't think it's a 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.000 badly written movie, I think, But I do, yeah, I mean, 0:40:17.040 --> 0:40:18.279 I do think that there was I think that there 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.160 was also kind of a thing at the time. I mean, 0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:22.400 maybe I'm also defending it because it was a Jewish 0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.480 man who wrote this, and I like feel for my 0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:29.240 my fellow Jewish film people making and being in Christmas movies. Um, 0:40:29.320 --> 0:40:30.960 but now I feel like it was just kind of 0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:33.760 a weird common trope. At the time, the early two thousand's, 0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:37.040 there was just this huge, like plethora of romantic comedies 0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:39.839 and that was in like every single one of them. Well, 0:40:39.840 --> 0:40:42.279 this is the year being worn down. I'm pretty sure 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.520 this is the same year is Love Actually comes out? 0:40:44.960 --> 0:40:48.000 Love Actually? And I think the Notebook too there. Yeah, 0:40:48.120 --> 0:40:49.520 I mean I think it's like all in the same 0:40:49.640 --> 0:40:53.080 year that these come out. So that's not the greatest 0:40:53.320 --> 0:40:56.000 And I don't know, I mean, I don't think it's 0:40:56.000 --> 0:40:58.640 a badly written movie. I think that that's the romantic 0:40:58.680 --> 0:41:04.440 plot is was not written very thoughtfully, because there is 0:41:04.480 --> 0:41:08.359 a version of this story that Zoey Deschanel's character goes 0:41:08.400 --> 0:41:11.520 on to do anything else other than show up in 0:41:11.560 --> 0:41:14.319 the last scene and be like nol la la la 0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:21.840 la la la yeah, and so so in now it 0:41:21.840 --> 0:41:24.920 it's just if you take her character out of the movie, 0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:29.520 how much changes. I feel like Buddy's character changes enough 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.440 just with his own family that you can sort of 0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:34.640 get to the same place, which just to me is like, well, 0:41:34.680 --> 0:41:37.440 and she's not given enough to do and she's just 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.760 so underwritten as a character that when he does ask 0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:44.080 her out, we she says yes, but we don't know 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.319 why because she's so underwritten that she has nothing in 0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:51.440 common with him because we don't know anything about her. 0:41:51.719 --> 0:41:54.200 And then okay, so I want to talk about the 0:41:54.200 --> 0:41:56.480 scene where he does ask her out because his brother 0:41:56.600 --> 0:42:01.839 is with him, this twelve year old kid, and he's like, hey, 0:42:01.880 --> 0:42:03.839 Buddy asked her out on a date to eat food. 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:06.520 And if she says yes, you're in. It's like a 0:42:06.640 --> 0:42:10.799 secret code girls have. And I think that's meant to 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:17.839 be a joke. Yeah, I think, but yeah, but it's 0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:22.880 implying that a woman's saying yes a K giving consent 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:30.560 is code for yes yes yes means yes. I guess. 0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:32.480 I don't know, Like it sounds like it might not 0:42:32.560 --> 0:42:38.200 be a code. I was like trying to process, like 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:40.399 is this meant to be like a really funny joke 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:42.640 or is it just like, look at this dumb kid 0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:44.840 who doesn't understand like dating yet. But like I was 0:42:44.880 --> 0:42:48.800 just like, what a weird line dad into the movie. 0:42:48.960 --> 0:42:51.520 I do think that that was supposed to be a 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:56.320 joke in the like whole like Michael's like the child 0:42:56.400 --> 0:42:59.360 what is beyond his years and He's gonna show buddy 0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.400 how to because I'm like, because Michael's dating all the time, 0:43:03.520 --> 0:43:06.640 he's twelve, you know. Well, I mean that's kind of 0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:07.920 the theme of the movie. I feel like that's the 0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:10.120 theme of a lot of Christmas movies, is is you know, 0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.440 the innocent will lead us, and there's this message of 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.560 maintain that childhood innocence and also just believe. It's interesting 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:19.520 to me that so many Christmas movies have the message 0:43:19.520 --> 0:43:22.480 of just believe in everything will come to you. You know. 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.520 It's this you know, just believe and believe in Santa Claus. 0:43:25.560 --> 0:43:27.480 And I always thought that was kind of weird from 0:43:27.480 --> 0:43:29.640 an outsider's perspective, you know, once I was sort of 0:43:29.680 --> 0:43:31.520 old enough to take a look at that, you know, 0:43:31.640 --> 0:43:34.000 and people would point that out in Christmas movie that 0:43:34.040 --> 0:43:35.319 I was in. I was like, yeah, I guess it 0:43:35.400 --> 0:43:37.799 is kind of weird that you are telling children. The 0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:41.840 message here is like over and over again, believe, believe, believe, believe, 0:43:41.920 --> 0:43:43.839 and then later on it's like, oh, by the way, 0:43:43.840 --> 0:43:46.440 that's a lie. By the way, that's not true. And 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:48.000 I mean that's not to say, like, of course, I 0:43:48.040 --> 0:43:50.040 do think that there is value in in you know, 0:43:50.440 --> 0:43:53.480 celebrating Christmas with Santa Claus and you know, having these 0:43:53.520 --> 0:43:55.560 sort of magical moments with children, Like I don't think 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:57.480 these are a bad thing at all, but I do 0:43:57.520 --> 0:44:00.279 think that it's interesting that the message that always comes 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.280 across is like stay young, stay innocent, and always believe 0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.840 unless we are in like the third act of a 0:44:06.920 --> 0:44:11.320 Christmas movie right now, and Kurt Russell as hot Santa 0:44:12.800 --> 0:44:14.879 is gonna like burst in and be like we need 0:44:14.920 --> 0:44:17.920 you to believe or else we're kind of and then 0:44:17.960 --> 0:44:20.040 the three of us need to be like, okay, we 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:23.360 believe and yeah, you're right. Also, like, it always annoyed 0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.719 me that, like it annoyed me that Santa got so 0:44:25.800 --> 0:44:28.319 much credit for going all over the world and it's like, yeah, 0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.480 he probably skips like the majority like Buddhist and Muslim countries, 0:44:32.120 --> 0:44:34.160 you know, so he probably he has he stops a 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.200 few places, you know, and then and then gets in 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.880 his sleigh. It's not it's it's all the Christian families. 0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:41.480 It's not you know, he's he's slacking off. It's not 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:45.759 the whole world. Also, Santa Santa as he's presented in 0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.000 this movie is kind of all over the place where 0:44:48.239 --> 0:44:52.160 Santa like brags to Buddy several times, like I know 0:44:52.200 --> 0:44:56.359 how the world works. I'm fucking Santa. But then when 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.240 Buddy is like, cool, I'm going to the world, Santa 0:44:59.280 --> 0:45:03.160 gives him, oh advice, He's just like, cool, good luck. Also, 0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:06.120 that famous race sucks. It sucks. I got food poisoning 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:11.200 from there, anyway, go on, yeah, I don't know that. Yeah. 0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:14.480 And then at the end Santa, when Santa needs helped, 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:17.839 when Santa x Mocina falls out of the sky, he 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:21.160 is like, hey, everyone fixed my sleigh. I was like, 0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.279 what was your plan? B sir? Like what how would 0:45:24.320 --> 0:45:27.600 we have gotten this up? So, like, Buddy travels to 0:45:27.640 --> 0:45:30.200 New York City from the North Pole on foot, and 0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:32.799 it seems like Christmas is only like a week or 0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:35.160 two later. Why didn't he just wait and then Santa 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:38.799 could give him a ride? Like it was something he 0:45:38.880 --> 0:45:43.840 had to do on his own. Come on, yes. Also, 0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:48.160 can we talk about how um naughty has exactly two 0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:52.080 connotations and it's Christmas if you're naughty or nice, or 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:57.840 it's sexy. So actually I think Christmas is sexy. But 0:45:58.080 --> 0:45:59.560 actually this is one of the reasons I think that 0:45:59.640 --> 0:46:01.719 Christmas is creepy, and maybe that's why I don't like 0:46:01.800 --> 0:46:10.759 the word naughty anyway, Okay, when we talk about the 0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:15.279 surprise kiss that happens because Buddy and Jovi go on 0:46:15.480 --> 0:46:19.359 their date, they're ice skating, he surprised kisses her on 0:46:19.840 --> 0:46:23.520 the cheek, but then she's like you missed, and he's 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:26.160 like what, and then she grabs his face and then 0:46:26.360 --> 0:46:29.520 kisses him on the lips. So she was, as was 0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.640 the audience. We are allowed to believe into him kissing her, 0:46:32.719 --> 0:46:36.480 but he just like lunged at her initially, like I 0:46:36.480 --> 0:46:39.680 don't know, it's the whole thing of him being sexual, 0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:42.120 even though we've only seen him act like a child 0:46:42.160 --> 0:46:45.399 up until that point. He's like eating pop tarts and 0:46:45.560 --> 0:46:50.279 like gum drops on spaghetti with maple syrup and chocolates 0:46:50.400 --> 0:46:53.800 like he's a baby. And it always appear to me 0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:56.680 in movies where they when they sexualize either children or 0:46:56.800 --> 0:47:00.400 childlike characters. You know, that always bothers me. It is weird. 0:47:00.440 --> 0:47:04.080 I mean like weird. Did Buddy learn to kiss? You know? Also, 0:47:04.120 --> 0:47:08.319 he's you know, he's thirty right. Being in the North 0:47:08.360 --> 0:47:12.560 Pole does not explain why he has a baby's brain, Like, 0:47:12.920 --> 0:47:16.520 there are the other elves with him seem to be 0:47:16.920 --> 0:47:19.800 regular adults who can like function the world as adults, 0:47:19.800 --> 0:47:22.239 so it does well, why is he a baby? I 0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:25.680 think that in this movie the something that is confusing, 0:47:25.760 --> 0:47:27.920 but it's like he's so fun to watch that we 0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:32.160 don't question it. Is that, like happiness and stupidity are 0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:37.840 conflated completely. He's happy, so he must be idiot. He 0:47:37.960 --> 0:47:44.840 can't even read. Yeah, yeah, Like you're like, oh, it 0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.200 works for the character, but then when you bring him 0:47:47.200 --> 0:47:49.040 out in the world, you're like, wait, I thought he 0:47:49.160 --> 0:47:52.160 was just happy when he was just happy and too 0:47:52.200 --> 0:47:54.960 big for the chairs. But there are some female characters 0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:57.160 in this movie that I like, but they are not 0:47:57.239 --> 0:47:59.360 given a lot to do. Um. One of them is 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.920 a Airiss, the secretary. She's who you here talking on 0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.000 the phone to a friend saying that she she's like, well, 0:48:07.040 --> 0:48:09.640 I don't know, deb I've never declaude kittens before, but 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:11.640 I guess I can do it. Like I want a 0:48:11.680 --> 0:48:15.680 movie about her. And and this is Amy Sadaris, so 0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:18.040 she probably came up with that on the fly, which 0:48:18.200 --> 0:48:21.680 it is her talking to another woman. Um. And and 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:24.840 you know, imagine if it this this movie barely kind 0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.400 of sort of passes, but only because of that was 0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:31.520 she probably just made up? Um. But there's also there's 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:33.719 also I also like Mary stein Virgin's character. I like 0:48:33.760 --> 0:48:36.680 Mary stein Virgin in general. I think, yeah, I love 0:48:36.680 --> 0:48:38.160 her too. There is a lot of actors in this 0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:41.640 movie that I really love. But she she is very 0:48:41.680 --> 0:48:45.719 okay and excited and happy about Buddy being there. She's 0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.399 not like, he's not my son, I don't want him here. 0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.480 He She is very encouraging. She's like, I can't wait 0:48:51.520 --> 0:48:54.480 to meet your son. It's so sad, but so beautiful 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.200 that this happened, you know where. Let's make him a 0:48:57.200 --> 0:48:59.880 part of the family. So there isn't this evil stepmother trope. 0:49:00.120 --> 0:49:02.880 Just nice, it's this very warm, welcoming one. Yeah, it 0:49:02.880 --> 0:49:04.680 would have been an easy choice to make her like 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:07.959 a very shrewy like I'm jealous and I don't want 0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:12.400 this strange man from the woman that you've fucked earlier 0:49:12.800 --> 0:49:14.839 to be in my house. Also, she talks a lot 0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:16.959 about her job. She's like, I have an accounts meeting 0:49:17.000 --> 0:49:21.879 or an accounting meeting that day. She's got her own career, right, 0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:24.279 we don't really know she's There's one time she's like, 0:49:24.400 --> 0:49:26.560 I have to do the budgets this, that's what it is. 0:49:26.600 --> 0:49:30.759 Like yep, sure, because he was like, you stay home 0:49:30.760 --> 0:49:35.160 and take care of Buddy, because James con no, no, no, budgets. Yeah, 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:39.160 and he's like, I stand corrected. But that's another thing 0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:42.000 with Buddy's character where he has such a bizarre blind 0:49:42.040 --> 0:49:46.359 spot to adult women in general, where he never questions 0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.520 like what went on with my biological mom? That's never 0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:52.879 really a question that's raised. Also, elves know what death 0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:56.440 is like? Is this going to be a shock for him? Uh? 0:49:56.560 --> 0:50:00.320 And then with Mary stein Bergin's character, she is showing 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.959 him much more love and acceptance and affection. And it's 0:50:05.000 --> 0:50:08.080 not that he responds to that negatively, but he's just 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:11.040 sort of like, cool, thanks, here's some spaghetti. And but 0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:13.400 like he he doesn't get attached to her in a 0:50:13.480 --> 0:50:15.960 way that he gets he really only but with the 0:50:16.000 --> 0:50:20.040 exception of Zoe Deschanelle's character only gets attached to like 0:50:20.160 --> 0:50:23.479 other men around him. Maybe he's also attracted to people 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:27.239 who don't like him, because Zoe Does's character doesn't like 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.920 him at first. He's just kind of like, I don't understand, 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.880 you know, he he but it's it's it's not exactly healthy. 0:50:32.960 --> 0:50:35.839 I mean, like I feel like I'm totally over analyzing this. 0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:41.080 But you know, let's armchair diagnosed buddy. Well, that's a 0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:44.120 thing about this movie is that mental health is treated 0:50:44.360 --> 0:50:48.520 really in a strange and mishandled way, where like people 0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:53.719 keep saying the buddy is insane or that he's chemically imbalanced. 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:57.240 That phrase gets thrown around and then the doctor character 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.960 played by Jon Favreau says something like, oh, yeah, he's 0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:03.919 probably reverting to this like stage of blah blah blah whatever. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.480 Just take him home and he'll probably drop the whole 0:51:06.480 --> 0:51:08.719 act after a while. And it's like, I'm sorry, that's 0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:14.320 your medical advice, doctor, Okay, uh yeah. Dr Jon Favre 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:18.920 prescribes like love, You're just like alright, cool. That feels 0:51:18.960 --> 0:51:21.080 like a very two thousand three thing. Now, that was 0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.319 very much you know, the age of the secret and 0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:25.319 just like just be better about it and you'll be better, 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.000 you know, just to be better about it. And yeah, 0:51:28.040 --> 0:51:30.320 this is such a because I was like, oh, two thousands, 0:51:30.320 --> 0:51:33.719 it is such like a Bush era movie in general, 0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:38.160 because you're like, okay, well everyone's white and uh, and 0:51:38.400 --> 0:51:40.600 that we do see a black Santa. We do see 0:51:40.600 --> 0:51:43.600 a black Santa boss at the department store because they 0:51:43.640 --> 0:51:45.919 have to fire the other Santa who gets into a fight, 0:51:46.160 --> 0:51:49.000 and then he assumes the role at Santa. Will Farrell 0:51:49.120 --> 0:51:51.640 was like in every movie in those days, like he 0:51:51.680 --> 0:51:54.879 really was. I remember like all of us joking like 0:51:54.960 --> 0:51:57.000 you know when we were I don't know, remember having 0:51:57.040 --> 0:51:59.319 like a joke with my friends like when we really 0:51:59.320 --> 0:52:01.440 tired it from school, being like wish we could have 0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:03.520 whatever Will Ferrell is having. I don't know. This is 0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:06.400 what theater and film majors, you know. I think it's funny, 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:09.000 I guess. But yeah, because he was he was just 0:52:09.040 --> 0:52:11.799 in everything in those days. He was in. He would 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:13.239 be in like five movies a year, and it was 0:52:13.320 --> 0:52:16.160 just like this is this is it? Yeah, there's another 0:52:16.239 --> 0:52:18.360 quick point. And I wanted to make about so towards 0:52:18.400 --> 0:52:21.280 the end um, whenever they're trying to prove that Santa 0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:24.359 is real in like they're all everyone's in Central Park 0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:29.640 and Michael gets ahold of Santa's list of naughty people 0:52:29.760 --> 0:52:33.319 and nice people too, and um, he starts treating from 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:35.640 it on the air. So he's going through and he 0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:38.640 was like, this girl wants a pop up girl's place that, 0:52:39.160 --> 0:52:42.360 this boy wants an electric guitar. This girl wants a 0:52:42.480 --> 0:52:46.759 dog called Susie, talks a lot, and then this boy 0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:51.440 wants talking a lot. Uh, this boy wants a pair 0:52:51.480 --> 0:52:54.439 of like Nike shoes. This grown woman which we talked 0:52:54.440 --> 0:52:57.440 about once, Tiffany engagement ring and her boyfriend to stopped 0:52:57.480 --> 0:52:59.759 dragging his feet and to commit already. So it's he's 0:52:59.800 --> 0:53:03.439 like very gendered like toys, where like the boys want 0:53:03.560 --> 0:53:08.239 like the tough, traditionally masculine toys and the girls all 0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:14.319 want like dolls or um. And not to like disparage 0:53:14.320 --> 0:53:17.560 any of that, but it is so again you're just like, oh, 0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:21.640 we're not thinking above what the normal thing would be here. 0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:24.080 And then the one guy who they're like, oh, this 0:53:24.120 --> 0:53:28.600 guy wants a spa thing, and it cuts to a 0:53:28.640 --> 0:53:31.000 grown man and then like everyone turns to him and 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:38.840 they're like, Oh, you want to relax, you fucking and 0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.520 that's like it's also the age of the metrosexual too, 0:53:41.640 --> 0:53:43.520 like that was the thing you had like straight men 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:46.760 talking about getting pedicures in you know, in People magazine 0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:49.400 all the time. So it was a little weird. Yeah, 0:53:49.560 --> 0:53:51.759 but like the one time that there was like, oh, 0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:55.360 we're gonna like not adhere to this like rigid gender 0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:59.680 toy norm thing is like a guy who wants like 0:53:59.719 --> 0:54:05.360 a and everyone's like, what a fucking disgusting sick. There's 0:54:05.400 --> 0:54:07.960 like a few moments that I think sort of fall 0:54:08.040 --> 0:54:12.080 under the same umbrella that happened between Buddy and his 0:54:12.360 --> 0:54:17.320 dad a few times where it's weird because like with Buddy, 0:54:17.400 --> 0:54:19.839 once he's in New York, everything has to be like, 0:54:19.880 --> 0:54:23.399 well there was a boundary issue there too. But with 0:54:23.440 --> 0:54:25.279 the dad, there's times where he's like and then we 0:54:25.320 --> 0:54:27.400 could hold hands and then we could cuddle, and the 0:54:27.480 --> 0:54:32.120 dad's like, no, I would never cuddle with my son, 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:35.120 and it's just like very again, it's like the gender 0:54:35.200 --> 0:54:40.040 norms of male affection works with handshakes and that's it. 0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.160 You can't spoon your son. I mean, the movie does 0:54:43.360 --> 0:54:46.839 end with with Buddy sitting on his adoptive father's lap. 0:54:47.440 --> 0:54:51.040 So yeah, I mean never had an issue with it. 0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:55.160 Daddy Elf was always very affectionate, but it was crushing 0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:58.840 Daddy Elf sounds yeah, it sounds like a wine. Oh 0:54:58.920 --> 0:55:02.400 that was my question. Okay, as it pertains to Buddy's 0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:09.520 understanding of sexuality, So elves, how much are they fucking right? 0:55:11.080 --> 0:55:14.760 Because they live a long time. Maybe they're not super 0:55:14.840 --> 0:55:18.480 horny because species wise, they don't need to stay with me. 0:55:18.920 --> 0:55:21.799 They don't because they don't need to reproduce as much. 0:55:21.840 --> 0:55:26.840 Maybe they're not as horny than people with less time. 0:55:29.520 --> 0:55:32.120 So like, how like how sea turtles are like the 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:35.640 like the land turtles only funck like like once every 0:55:35.680 --> 0:55:39.000 you know, ten years or something, because you're like they're like, well, 0:55:39.080 --> 0:55:41.360 you know, I've got time. I don't need to be 0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:48.919 frantically fucking all the time. I'm a turtle. So I'm 0:55:48.920 --> 0:55:53.520 getting closer. So I think why Buddy has the brain 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:57.720 of a baby is because elves live a thousand years, 0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:02.759 and so if he's thirty, he's basically three, you know 0:56:02.800 --> 0:56:05.760 what I mean. So he's like la la la, because 0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:08.839 the elves when they're thirty, they're like, we're not going 0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:11.920 to be fucking for like, you know, for for at 0:56:12.000 --> 0:56:19.759 least a century plus. What my original question was was, 0:56:20.239 --> 0:56:26.600 has Buddy seen porn? Like elf porn? It would have 0:56:26.640 --> 0:56:28.680 to be elf born. I mean, I don't know what 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.680 else it would be unless I don't know. That's my 0:56:31.920 --> 0:56:35.879 I guess that's his understanding of sexuality, because he does 0:56:36.239 --> 0:56:40.600 marry the first woman he meets. Yeah, what was that conversation? 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:43.720 What was his understanding? I don't know. I get, well, 0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:46.400 it's the born sexy Yesterday thing again. She has to 0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.560 teach him how to sex and then he's like, Okay, 0:56:49.600 --> 0:56:53.160 that's Mary. I don't know if that's responsible. I don't know. 0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:57.600 My only question was was their porn? Okay? Well, but 0:56:57.680 --> 0:57:02.439 no one has that answer. Does anyone have any other 0:57:02.840 --> 0:57:06.040 things they want to talk about? I didn't want to say. Yeah. 0:57:06.080 --> 0:57:08.760 I I that this movie was both written and directed 0:57:08.840 --> 0:57:12.440 by Jewish people, which I kind of find interesting. And 0:57:12.920 --> 0:57:14.319 but I mean, if you actually look at it, like 0:57:14.400 --> 0:57:16.840 most of the songs, like most of the best Christmas 0:57:16.880 --> 0:57:19.840 songs were also written, like like Urban Berlin and you 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:22.520 know Ruth Red Red Nose Reindeer, all these songs were 0:57:22.560 --> 0:57:26.400 written by Jewish people, So like it is kind of Yeah, 0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:28.120 it's kind of it's kind of funny and kind of 0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:31.200 strange that that, like this movie where it's all about 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:34.520 Christmas spirit. Christmas Spirit is was written by by people 0:57:34.520 --> 0:57:37.440 who like had rabbi's performed their weddings and stuff. But 0:57:37.440 --> 0:57:40.400 but yeah, I don't know. I I that I found 0:57:40.480 --> 0:57:43.800 I think very interesting. Oh also Peter, Yeah, the thing 0:57:43.800 --> 0:57:45.800 with Peter, the scene with Peter Dinklage where they're just 0:57:45.960 --> 0:57:49.200 like making fun of him, where Buddy just keeps calling 0:57:49.280 --> 0:57:51.200 him an elf, like over and over again. Like even 0:57:51.200 --> 0:57:52.600 in like two thousand and three, I was like, this 0:57:52.640 --> 0:57:57.400 is not this isn't cool. Yeah, isn't funny. No, it's 0:57:57.440 --> 0:58:00.520 not funny. And then then it's like okay, I mean 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:05.520 the Peter dinklich character wins the fight and says everything 0:58:05.560 --> 0:58:08.840 that the audience is even though he's he comes in 0:58:08.960 --> 0:58:12.400 hot of like I fuck more than you'll fucking your life, 0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:22.160 where you're just like whoa now starts every argument that way? Uh? 0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:25.360 But I yeah, I I couldn't make heads or tails 0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:27.880 of that scene. Yeah, Like that would have been insensitive 0:58:27.880 --> 0:58:30.760 in two thousand and three, and now it just is 0:58:30.920 --> 0:58:35.480 like who what whose idea was this? And what did 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:40.120 it add Yeah, at the very least, buddies insensitive comments 0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:43.600 go challenged by the person that he's directing them toward. 0:58:44.080 --> 0:58:46.960 But it sucks that like the one time you get 0:58:47.000 --> 0:58:50.520 representation on screen of a little person, it's like, oh, 0:58:50.640 --> 0:58:54.720 you're enough, it's the joke. Yeah, And Peter dinklis has 0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:56.800 been very good about saying like, I don't never want 0:58:56.800 --> 0:58:58.560 to play Elves. I want to play these characters that 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.440 are you know, where they're either you know, actual people, 0:59:01.520 --> 0:59:04.000 they're not. It's not a joking thing where it's not 0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:06.960 treated in this certain way or it's addressed, but it's 0:59:06.960 --> 0:59:09.280 an addressed in an in an honest and open way 0:59:09.360 --> 0:59:12.560 and not you know and not like this. So I 0:59:12.680 --> 0:59:15.480 do think it's interesting that that he chose this movie, 0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:17.880 But I mean, like that's his bardom, that's his choice. 0:59:18.000 --> 0:59:20.400 And and I love see I love Peter English, so 0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:22.680 I love seeing him in anything like I don't know 0:59:22.720 --> 0:59:24.640 if you always saw that meme where there it's just 0:59:25.160 --> 0:59:26.720 the Game of Thrones theme, but it's just the words 0:59:26.720 --> 0:59:32.080 Peter Dankledge song to the theme Dinklage Peter dlishe. Yeah, 0:59:32.080 --> 0:59:35.280 I love that meme because I love Peter d Engklige. Yeah, 0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:37.840 I mean, I mean I do remember thinking when like 0:59:37.920 --> 0:59:39.720 he said, like I never do do these things. I 0:59:39.760 --> 0:59:42.480 was like, I wonder how he feels about ELF in retrospect, 0:59:42.920 --> 0:59:44.600 kind of like the way that Viola Davis has said, 0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:48.800 like she feels conflicted about the help and you know, 0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:50.800 something like that. I was always like, I wonder if 0:59:50.800 --> 0:59:52.880 he if he you know, I mean he does get 0:59:52.920 --> 0:59:55.479 to be strong and kick Will Ferrell's ass. So yeah, 0:59:55.600 --> 0:59:58.400 I mean I did. I regret everything I said yesterday. 0:59:58.600 --> 1:00:02.000 So I'm sure like people who have done things, you know, 1:00:02.160 --> 1:00:05.720 from the early two thousand's, and they might do it 1:00:05.760 --> 1:00:08.560 differently today. It's just yeah that I mean, I was 1:00:08.600 --> 1:00:11.120 in some movies in the early two thousand's that yeah, 1:00:11.280 --> 1:00:14.320 so I completely understand now I'm kidding that here. I 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:16.080 had a great time making them. Blah blah blah blah 1:00:16.080 --> 1:00:20.120 blah represent represent explanation. Um I did. It's true, I did, 1:00:20.520 --> 1:00:23.160 even if I wasn't done always the best movies. But yeah, anyway, 1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:24.680 go on, But that I don't know that moment, just 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:28.400 like it is so bizarre because most of the like 1:00:28.480 --> 1:00:32.280 quote unquote misunderstandings that Buddy has in the real world 1:00:32.640 --> 1:00:37.000 are usually pretty innocent and it you know, it's not 1:00:37.040 --> 1:00:39.600 always the greatest joke of your life, but you're like, 1:00:39.840 --> 1:00:43.600 he don't understand how doors work. He crazy man. And 1:00:43.640 --> 1:00:45.600 then all of a sudden it's like, but what if 1:00:45.640 --> 1:00:48.919 he did this very offensive thing? But we still love 1:00:49.040 --> 1:00:51.760 him so much, and it just is, it's such. It 1:00:51.880 --> 1:00:55.800 was just a strange choice, especially like that role was 1:00:56.040 --> 1:01:00.440 written specifically as a cast a little person. It's not 1:01:00.480 --> 1:01:02.680 a little person, just who can exist in the world 1:01:02.840 --> 1:01:05.840 as a normal person. That role was written so that 1:01:05.920 --> 1:01:08.280 he could then be made fun of, so I mean, 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:10.720 and Peter Nichols has been in many other movies where 1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:13.640 that's not the case, so that's good, But for this movie, 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:17.240 that's the scenario, and it's you know, not the best. 1:01:17.400 --> 1:01:21.720 I hope his residuals are good. They are because, as 1:01:21.760 --> 1:01:27.240 I told you, Christmas movies, they pay love it um 1:01:27.280 --> 1:01:30.280 any other any other thoughts. There is a really good 1:01:30.360 --> 1:01:32.400 cast in this movie, Like that's that's a thing. There's 1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.320 a lot of really good actors in I forgot that 1:01:34.360 --> 1:01:36.320 Amy Sadaris was in it, and she's one of my 1:01:36.840 --> 1:01:38.720 strangers with Candy. I don't know if anyone's seen it 1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:40.920 but that's like one of the big shows ever and 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:43.880 she is phenomenal in it, but too bad that she 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:47.280 gets maybe a minute and thirty seconds of screen time, 1:01:47.360 --> 1:01:50.640 Like she hardly has any bearing on the story. She's 1:01:50.760 --> 1:01:52.760 I think she's like the one woman working at the 1:01:52.800 --> 1:01:55.200 office there. Yeah, there's there's two women. There's like a 1:01:55.240 --> 1:01:57.960 woman that he compliments wearing a purple dress. Wearing a 1:01:58.000 --> 1:02:00.960 purple dress, yes, um, but yeah, she's she's one of 1:02:01.000 --> 1:02:03.840 two women that work in that office, which I mean 1:02:03.840 --> 1:02:06.280 that is not true of publishing. I've got to tell 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:08.800 you you go to publishing and it's like I love 1:02:08.880 --> 1:02:11.040 going to my publisher's office because it was just like 1:02:11.360 --> 1:02:15.160 a bunch of like short women in uh like sweaters 1:02:15.160 --> 1:02:17.320 that were just covered in cat and dog hair. I 1:02:17.360 --> 1:02:19.440 was just like, I love you guys. You are my people, 1:02:21.280 --> 1:02:24.480 especially children's publishing. Yeah, I'm like, why was this? I 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:29.200 did appreciate seeing an older white male character who was 1:02:29.320 --> 1:02:34.240 just blatantly horrible at his job and should have been fired. Like, 1:02:34.840 --> 1:02:39.360 we don't very frequently get to see mediocrity on full display. 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:43.920 And I was like, we do, but it's not acknowledge exactly. 1:02:43.960 --> 1:02:47.120 They're like, well, of course, he has this job. As 1:02:47.440 --> 1:02:50.280 one of my favorite tropes ever is uh the story 1:02:50.320 --> 1:02:53.360 within the story and everybody's like, wow, this is the 1:02:53.400 --> 1:02:56.440 most amazing thing ever where people will be like this 1:02:56.520 --> 1:02:59.240 story or this movie is just fantastic, and it's like, 1:02:59.320 --> 1:03:02.920 of course they think the author wrote them both. You know, 1:03:03.280 --> 1:03:05.600 like like everybody's just so into the story. So I do, 1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:07.640 I do. I've kind of find it funny that it's like, 1:03:07.680 --> 1:03:09.720 you know, he made millions, you know with Buddy the 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:12.840 Elf the book right, which is which is such a 1:03:12.840 --> 1:03:17.440 great story. I'd watch a movie about it and go 1:03:17.520 --> 1:03:21.280 see a musical or see a musical about it. Well, 1:03:21.600 --> 1:03:24.960 let's take some questions or comments from the audience, if 1:03:24.960 --> 1:03:26.680 we've got any, Yeah, come on down so you can 1:03:26.760 --> 1:03:30.080 be on the mic. Um, I'm curious to hear what 1:03:30.160 --> 1:03:35.400 you guys think about that special Someone joke because I 1:03:35.480 --> 1:03:39.800 feel like they were kind of making fun of women's 1:03:39.840 --> 1:03:46.120 sexuality within that joke when Buddy gave that lingerie to 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:50.720 his dad, which was like really uncomfortable in all sense 1:03:50.720 --> 1:03:58.920 of worn. Clearly Buddy hasn't seen porn. There's my answer. No, 1:03:59.120 --> 1:04:02.840 But also maybe elf sexy stuff is different. Maybe it 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:07.920 is right. So the joke is that he sees in 1:04:08.000 --> 1:04:10.280 the store like a sign that's like get this for 1:04:10.320 --> 1:04:14.120 your someone special, and it's like sexy lingerie. Uh, and 1:04:14.160 --> 1:04:16.440 then he gives it to his dad because again, he 1:04:16.480 --> 1:04:17.800 has the brain of a child, and he has no 1:04:17.920 --> 1:04:20.680 understanding of sexuality or that that would not be an 1:04:20.720 --> 1:04:23.000 appropriate gift to give his father. So I don't know, 1:04:23.280 --> 1:04:26.000 I don't know if it's making fun of women's sexuality 1:04:26.080 --> 1:04:28.959 so much is that it's making fun of his inability 1:04:29.080 --> 1:04:32.400 to understand anything about the world. But the fact that 1:04:32.480 --> 1:04:35.720 it is like a sexy woman's garment is the butt 1:04:35.720 --> 1:04:38.560 of the joke. So that at the end you see 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:40.880 it on the chair next to Mary's Team Virgin, So 1:04:41.120 --> 1:04:44.120 he probably passed it on. But I always wondered, like 1:04:44.560 --> 1:04:46.920 she think, yeah, like like you might have this like 1:04:47.000 --> 1:04:49.920 love actually moment where she comes across this this nightgown 1:04:49.920 --> 1:04:52.080 and is like is this for me? Or is this 1:04:52.160 --> 1:04:55.120 for someone else? Or is this you know? And but 1:04:55.240 --> 1:04:58.680 he's just very lucky that he chose her her size, 1:04:58.840 --> 1:05:03.000 because that could have led to some like like anxiety 1:05:03.040 --> 1:05:06.080 and doubt and confusion and like disbelieve in, you know, 1:05:06.240 --> 1:05:09.560 in their marriage, which already was like not the most, 1:05:09.640 --> 1:05:11.600 you know, happy and healthy, it seems. I mean the 1:05:11.840 --> 1:05:14.200 first scene when he comes home and he's like I'm 1:05:14.200 --> 1:05:17.480 not eating with you and leaves and she's like okay, 1:05:17.600 --> 1:05:20.240 and then the sun is like can I leave as well? 1:05:20.280 --> 1:05:22.920 I was like, poor Mary has been here for a 1:05:23.040 --> 1:05:27.560 minute and everyone she's way too accommodating, especially to her, 1:05:27.640 --> 1:05:30.440 like she's really shitty husband who's a bad husband and 1:05:30.520 --> 1:05:32.919 a bad father and and bad at his job. He's 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:36.040 really not good at much. But she's I feel like 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:39.600 so underwritten that she was like, well, what, everything's fine? 1:05:40.000 --> 1:05:48.680 So Christmas? Any any other thoughts questions? Yeah, come on down. Um, 1:05:48.760 --> 1:05:52.120 since this movie is severely lacking in diversity, who would 1:05:52.120 --> 1:05:58.280 you cast as Alfred Molina? Thank you for asking. Um. 1:05:58.320 --> 1:06:03.200 I have a lot of opinions. I think that Alfred Molina, 1:06:03.600 --> 1:06:08.120 you know, could have been Buddy. Obviously, he could have 1:06:08.160 --> 1:06:11.720 been buddy. He can play anything, right. Uh oh, he 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:15.360 could have been daddy help easily. But what I think 1:06:15.480 --> 1:06:19.320 is the best solution is to cast him as James 1:06:19.440 --> 1:06:24.640 CON's son. That would be the ideal that they're like, 1:06:24.680 --> 1:06:29.960 oh here's my son, Michael. He's twelve. Alfred Molina is 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:35.280 not even doing an American accent, just bully Brenda. She's like, hello, 1:06:37.080 --> 1:06:39.680 my name is Michael. I'm surprised you didn't. I'm surprised 1:06:39.720 --> 1:06:42.920 you didn't say Santa yea. I well, no, I have 1:06:43.080 --> 1:06:46.920 to cast him as Santa in Santa University, so I 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:51.920 can't have him being associated with another Santa franchise. That's 1:06:51.960 --> 1:06:56.200 just good business. So but yeah, no, I think he 1:06:56.240 --> 1:06:58.160 would play I think, you know, we know he can 1:06:58.160 --> 1:07:00.439 play anything, so let's see if he can a twelve 1:07:00.520 --> 1:07:05.720 year old. Great question, Thank you for any others? Oh yeah, 1:07:05.760 --> 1:07:09.840 where hi? I was wondering what you all thought about 1:07:09.920 --> 1:07:18.800 feminist icon raccoon who attacks Buddy good call, good call? 1:07:18.960 --> 1:07:25.360 First of all, how many nipples does a raccoon have? Eight, ten, twelve? 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:27.760 I don't know, we don't know. I don't know what 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:32.000 if it's just one? Does any animal? Does any animal 1:07:32.080 --> 1:07:35.160 have one? I don't think so. I think it's always even, 1:07:36.320 --> 1:07:41.760 it's always sets. They come in sets. But well, your question, 1:07:41.800 --> 1:07:45.000 what do I think of him? I think that indeed, 1:07:45.080 --> 1:07:48.960 femtast icon, maybe even queer icon. I think that the 1:07:49.440 --> 1:07:54.880 raccoon is certainly an ally um And also Buddy who's 1:07:55.000 --> 1:07:58.200 not good at you know, listening per se to what 1:07:58.280 --> 1:08:01.360 people are trying to communicate to him. Raccoon is like 1:08:01.440 --> 1:08:06.600 being explicitly clear, and so we know moment one, but 1:08:06.760 --> 1:08:08.560 he's not going to take cues in this world. And 1:08:08.600 --> 1:08:11.360 I know in two thousand three we were all there, 1:08:13.360 --> 1:08:16.120 go with me on this journey. Uh. And and two 1:08:16.120 --> 1:08:18.360 thousand three we're like, oh my god, the raccoons being 1:08:18.439 --> 1:08:22.200 so rude to will farell Is the raccoon on her period? Yeah, 1:08:22.680 --> 1:08:25.160 like what is wrong with raccoons? I know a lot 1:08:25.160 --> 1:08:27.600 about raccoons, but I don't know if they actually I 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:30.960 don't think they do. I think it's like, no, they do, 1:08:31.040 --> 1:08:33.400 but it's like it's not like human is. It's like 1:08:33.439 --> 1:08:39.040 you don't see it. That sounds better. Uh. But then 1:08:39.080 --> 1:08:43.479 in eighteen we're like, actually, where's the film? Frand tries 1:08:43.600 --> 1:08:47.040 for the raccoon because she really has a story we 1:08:47.080 --> 1:08:50.800 didn't explore, so her and her I think she should 1:08:50.800 --> 1:08:53.080 be in a movie with Amy, Saidaris, and Amy Saidarius 1:08:53.080 --> 1:08:55.320 will be like, boy, I've never had clawda raccoon before, 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:59.599 and you know, and the raccoons. The raccoon teaches her 1:08:59.680 --> 1:09:02.160 that liked clawing is like actually bad and you shouldn't 1:09:02.160 --> 1:09:04.000 do it because it hurts your cats. And I'm a 1:09:04.040 --> 1:09:07.000 cat lady, so I know this. But yeah, that's that's I. 1:09:07.000 --> 1:09:09.400 I do also love raccoons. I'm I'm always in support 1:09:09.439 --> 1:09:12.200 of raccoons and almost everything. They're one of my favorite animals. Um, 1:09:12.640 --> 1:09:15.040 I really love them. I have like a raccoon puppet 1:09:15.040 --> 1:09:17.080 at home that pops out of a little garbage can. 1:09:17.600 --> 1:09:21.519 So um, I'm I'm almost always on team Raccoon. I'm 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:24.760 almost always on on team Raccoons. So the puppet I 1:09:24.800 --> 1:09:28.080 didn't see coming. I will say, Look, I was at 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:30.479 I was at I was at a convention, I was working, 1:09:30.640 --> 1:09:32.439 and I saw I was like, oh, it's a little 1:09:32.479 --> 1:09:35.440 stuffed animal. Oh okay, it's a puppet, all right. Well 1:09:35.439 --> 1:09:37.040 I'll leave it half there. So people don't think that 1:09:37.080 --> 1:09:38.920 I'm like a puppet person. Although I actually did learn 1:09:38.960 --> 1:09:40.439 how to do puppetry at n y U. But that's 1:09:40.479 --> 1:09:43.880 a whole other story. And what use a weird place, guys, Um, 1:09:43.920 --> 1:09:49.439 I'm a puppet person. Yeah, we know. J know. Any 1:09:49.479 --> 1:09:53.760 other questions or comments or anything like that, Oh yeah, um, 1:09:54.160 --> 1:09:55.519 this is a long time ago. But you were talking 1:09:55.520 --> 1:09:58.240 about baby it's cold outside and about how those lyrics 1:09:58.240 --> 1:10:02.320 aren't great. And U there's actually a musician named Lydia 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:07.080 Eliza who has released a modernized like version of the song, 1:10:07.400 --> 1:10:10.080 like updated lyrics, like she did it like a few 1:10:10.160 --> 1:10:13.200 years ago. It sounds Spotify and also you can um 1:10:13.479 --> 1:10:15.640 all the money that goes from that goes to like 1:10:15.720 --> 1:10:18.360 Survivors and a couple of foundations as well, And it's 1:10:18.360 --> 1:10:20.960 like a really funny take on this song. I guess 1:10:21.240 --> 1:10:23.400 if you like babies Call Outside sort of but you 1:10:23.400 --> 1:10:25.720 don't want to listen to the lyrics, that's that's a 1:10:25.720 --> 1:10:31.640 good alternative. Yes, thank you so much. Check that out. Um. 1:10:31.680 --> 1:10:38.800 I'm sorry not to challenge queer icon Raccoon because I 1:10:38.840 --> 1:10:44.480 totally agree, but like, what about queer icon awkward claymation, 1:10:44.880 --> 1:10:53.240 Mr Norwal Yes, fully excellent point. Yes, clearly we were 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:56.880 not as thorough as we should have been in this episode. 1:10:57.479 --> 1:11:00.479 I'm pretty sure all the claimations are are they're they're 1:11:00.520 --> 1:11:03.479 they're all queer, they're all queer. I mean, I don't know, 1:11:03.520 --> 1:11:05.280 maybe that was just my reading of it, but no, 1:11:05.400 --> 1:11:09.880 I think queer coded. Yes, yes, I I thought they 1:11:09.880 --> 1:11:12.679 were all queer coded. That's the stemen from the Rudolph 1:11:12.680 --> 1:11:16.880 the Red Nose reindeer animated movie. Right, okay, yeah, but 1:11:16.960 --> 1:11:20.879 I agree with Narwhale. I would also argue that penguin, 1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:25.880 what's the story there? You know, maybe that's Buddy's next 1:11:25.880 --> 1:11:28.280 book is you know? I mean there are a lot 1:11:28.320 --> 1:11:33.160 of gay penguins. So yes, yes, oh, has no one 1:11:33.200 --> 1:11:39.000 else read this clickbait because it's true? All right? Well, hey, 1:11:39.040 --> 1:11:45.479 does this movie past the Bechtel test? No, unless you 1:11:45.600 --> 1:11:48.559 count Amy Saidari's talking to another woman on the phone, 1:11:48.600 --> 1:11:52.799 I would say, because we don't hear them talking, then yeah, 1:11:52.880 --> 1:11:55.120 because she is named. Her name is Connie, and they 1:11:55.120 --> 1:11:58.679 are talking about Decline cats, which talk about a Bechtel 1:11:58.800 --> 1:12:06.200 test passing scene. If the cats are male cats, I 1:12:06.280 --> 1:12:10.799 still think it would pass. But she's named I think Connie, 1:12:10.840 --> 1:12:13.759 And then Amy Sadaris's Character's name is deb But because 1:12:13.800 --> 1:12:16.439 we don't hear Connie's voice in her side of the conversation, 1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:18.559 I would say that does not pass. The only other 1:12:18.560 --> 1:12:20.680 time where it comes close where women are interacting is 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:24.599 towards the end, whenever Jovi and Mary stein Bergen's character 1:12:25.040 --> 1:12:30.400 Virgin Bergen. I think it's Virgin. They sing at each other, 1:12:30.520 --> 1:12:34.360 but the song is about Santa Claus, so it does 1:12:34.439 --> 1:12:36.559 not pass. And they're also not actually talking to each other. 1:12:37.240 --> 1:12:41.080 And that's all you get with women interacting in the movie. Elf. Yeah, 1:12:41.120 --> 1:12:46.720 there's really not much happening there. Well, let's write the 1:12:46.720 --> 1:12:50.280 movie on our nipple scale, shall we? Yeah? Yeah, zero 1:12:50.400 --> 1:12:53.080 to five nipples based on his portrayal of women. I'm 1:12:53.080 --> 1:12:58.960 gonna give it a half nipple. We're zero it is 1:12:58.960 --> 1:13:02.479 it even? I think it's zero? Yeah, I'm gonna give 1:13:02.520 --> 1:13:08.040 it zero nipples because between Zoe's character, which the arc 1:13:08.120 --> 1:13:11.880 of that is that he harasses her and wears her 1:13:11.920 --> 1:13:17.000 down into eventually going out with him, and then basically 1:13:17.040 --> 1:13:19.559 her function in the story is to help him grow 1:13:19.960 --> 1:13:22.200 is a person, so she doesn't have any sort of 1:13:22.200 --> 1:13:25.040 her own character, her own stories all just about like 1:13:25.120 --> 1:13:28.559 characterizing him. Mary Steinberger's character, did I say it right? 1:13:28.600 --> 1:13:32.559 I don't know. We've said both ways, so we're gonna 1:13:32.600 --> 1:13:38.840 be right the chance she is very underwritten, as is 1:13:38.960 --> 1:13:42.240 Amy Saidar's character, like they're just they exist in the 1:13:42.240 --> 1:13:46.160 story to support the men around them. And um, yeah, 1:13:46.240 --> 1:13:48.799 it's a very white movie. It's a very hetero movie. 1:13:49.040 --> 1:13:55.040 So zero nipples. And that's the end of my speech. 1:13:55.760 --> 1:14:03.599 I'm gonna go with I'll give it one, okay, give 1:14:03.600 --> 1:14:08.360 it half of one, okay, because I think, as with 1:14:08.720 --> 1:14:13.400 most movies we cover, there's a lot of missed potential 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:17.480 where at very least I'm going back to one. Okay, 1:14:17.520 --> 1:14:21.280 I'm going back to one because especially with Mary stein 1:14:21.360 --> 1:14:26.160 Bergen's character, Uh, there were a lot of trophy pitfalls 1:14:26.160 --> 1:14:29.360 this character could have gone to that the writer didn't 1:14:29.400 --> 1:14:33.360 go in that direction and instead win in no direction 1:14:33.880 --> 1:14:38.920 and sort of made her like an inconsequential character where 1:14:38.960 --> 1:14:41.639 you know, and then there's moments where you're like, oh, 1:14:41.760 --> 1:14:46.200 Jovie is advocating for herself, she's communicating clearly, don't do this, 1:14:46.360 --> 1:14:48.240 don't do this, but she still ends up with the 1:14:48.240 --> 1:14:51.800 guy that always does it anyways, And so there. I 1:14:51.840 --> 1:14:56.680 think the few female characters we have there is potential 1:14:57.120 --> 1:15:01.200 in them, but because they never technically get to meet 1:15:01.240 --> 1:15:05.320 each other, and because of I mean, the whole circumstance 1:15:05.400 --> 1:15:08.040 of how like you were saying, they only exist as 1:15:08.080 --> 1:15:11.760 it pertends to male characters, we just lose that. And 1:15:11.800 --> 1:15:14.400 I think that there is you know, a version of 1:15:14.400 --> 1:15:16.920 this story where one of the many male characters is 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:21.439 written out to make room for Marrier's always character that 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:26.439 ends up in a much more interesting movie. Also scary 1:15:26.720 --> 1:15:32.760 white ist ever fashion north Pole, No, thank you, very freaky. 1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:39.679 Um but the claymation was queer, but but queer code 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:42.920 and we're coded. Also, why isn't Santa a woman? All 1:15:43.200 --> 1:15:49.480 female reboot of Christmas? They mentioned Mrs Claws, but it's 1:15:49.479 --> 1:15:54.080 it's just Mrs Claus made that for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1:15:54.080 --> 1:16:01.040 Ariana Grande Santa is a woman, major Christmas draw calling 1:16:01.080 --> 1:16:07.719 it maw why not beat a dead horse? Okay, no, yeah, 1:16:07.720 --> 1:16:13.920 So I'll go one strictly on completely missed potential. Uh 1:16:13.960 --> 1:16:17.400 and because there are still parts of this movie that 1:16:17.479 --> 1:16:20.679 I thought I had seen, uh that I thought we're 1:16:20.760 --> 1:16:23.920 sweet and it's nice to see a leading male character 1:16:24.040 --> 1:16:29.680 who is not inherently macho toxic. So one nippy and 1:16:29.760 --> 1:16:35.320 I'm giving it to the raccoon. Yeah, I was, Yeah, 1:16:35.360 --> 1:16:37.599 I was gonna I was gonna say too, but then 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:39.639 I realized I was pretty much gonna say everything that 1:16:39.800 --> 1:16:42.160 Jamie said. So I feel kind of like I kind 1:16:42.160 --> 1:16:43.800 of have to bump it down to one and a half. 1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:45.559 I do think that the women are often the most 1:16:45.600 --> 1:16:49.439 interesting characters in this in this movie, and uh and 1:16:49.520 --> 1:16:51.040 I like a lot of the actors, you know, I 1:16:51.080 --> 1:16:53.799 love Amy Sai Arris, I love marysin Virgin Steven Bergkin. 1:16:54.479 --> 1:16:57.599 Um So, I I think that there's yeah, there's there's 1:16:57.600 --> 1:16:59.559 definitely that, and I do think there's there is something 1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:02.719 sweet and are about like you know, your your biology 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:05.400 not being your destiny, and and like there's one there 1:17:05.439 --> 1:17:07.559 is a message. They're sort of a like I mean, 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.680 I guess he does like find his biological family, but 1:17:09.760 --> 1:17:12.080 it's also it is also like you are also the 1:17:12.080 --> 1:17:14.599 people that raised you, and you know, and that doesn't 1:17:14.600 --> 1:17:17.599 necessarily have to be the people that brought you into 1:17:17.640 --> 1:17:19.720 the world, you know. And and so I think that 1:17:19.720 --> 1:17:22.640 that is that is kind of a nice message that 1:17:22.640 --> 1:17:25.200 that you find in the movie there. Um So, yeah, 1:17:25.280 --> 1:17:26.920 I think I think I probably would have to say 1:17:27.160 --> 1:17:30.000 one and a half because but I do feel very 1:17:30.040 --> 1:17:32.439 much like there were missed opportunities and there was more 1:17:32.520 --> 1:17:35.480 that could be done and it makes me sad that 1:17:35.479 --> 1:17:37.439 that there weren't. Um I do still think that it 1:17:37.600 --> 1:17:40.000 is like a sweet movie. I think it is very 1:17:40.080 --> 1:17:42.840 much of its time. There is this like really weird 1:17:42.960 --> 1:17:45.920 like period. The two thousands were like there were some 1:17:46.000 --> 1:17:48.360 good movies, but just like the culture I feel like 1:17:48.400 --> 1:17:50.640 of entertainment at that time was really weird, and there 1:17:50.680 --> 1:17:52.320 was a lot of stuff that went on that like 1:17:52.520 --> 1:17:55.200 really shouldn't have and and so like even like the 1:17:55.240 --> 1:17:57.120 movies that are good, or even the movies that are sweet, 1:17:57.160 --> 1:17:59.280 like have this weird you know kind of like Aspertain, 1:17:59.439 --> 1:18:01.880 you know, after like after days to them of like 1:18:02.120 --> 1:18:05.040 like that was sweet, but what is this. We've covered 1:18:05.040 --> 1:18:06.920 a lot of those movies on the podcast. Yeah. I 1:18:07.000 --> 1:18:09.479 always come to the same conclu Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've 1:18:09.479 --> 1:18:11.720 been I've been listening. I was just listening to Miscongeniality 1:18:11.720 --> 1:18:13.680 episode and it was like, oh, yeah, right, that was 1:18:14.040 --> 1:18:17.040 sensibly okay back then, it wasn't that long ago that 1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:21.240 that was okay, that's weird. But yeah, two thousands were 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:25.960 culture waste land fight me. That's not true. We had 1:18:26.000 --> 1:18:28.599 we had mean girls, We had the Wire you know, 1:18:28.840 --> 1:18:30.880 which I which were equal in my eyes? Now? No, 1:18:31.240 --> 1:18:33.120 um no, we had we had you know, we did 1:18:33.200 --> 1:18:36.000 have culture back there. We had Beyonce. But like it 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:38.200 was a very strange, very conservative time. I think there 1:18:38.240 --> 1:18:40.760 wasn't a lot of risk taking. Would you like to 1:18:40.800 --> 1:18:43.519 give your nipples to anyone? Just as little Christmas tokens. 1:18:43.920 --> 1:18:45.759 Would would I like to give my nipples to anual 1:18:46.080 --> 1:18:52.719 not not your sorry Caitlin as a Christmas Ok? Yeah, sorry, 1:18:52.920 --> 1:18:54.960 I like I had a sorry. I had a moment 1:18:55.000 --> 1:18:57.760 of like of like you know, um, I mean I 1:18:57.760 --> 1:18:59.600 would also love to give them to the raccoon, but 1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:01.280 I think I'm going to give them to the kittens 1:19:01.320 --> 1:19:07.519 that need to be to Claude. Oh yes, thank you 1:19:07.600 --> 1:19:09.800 so much for being here. Hello, thank you for having me. 1:19:14.400 --> 1:19:16.759 I didn't think I had strong feelings on this movie, 1:19:16.800 --> 1:19:19.960 but I guess I did. We all do. Um. Where 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:21.720 can people find you online? Is that you would like 1:19:21.760 --> 1:19:23.679 to plug? Yeah? You can find me at Marrow Wilson 1:19:23.800 --> 1:19:27.160 on Twitter. You can go tomorrow dot substack dot com 1:19:27.320 --> 1:19:30.360 for my newsletter. It's called We Tell the Vicar because 1:19:30.560 --> 1:19:33.840 every week I closed with a fake BBC show title. Um. 1:19:33.880 --> 1:19:36.160 That's one of my favorite things, making fun of British 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:38.960 television shows because they all have ridiculous names. Yeah, you 1:19:38.960 --> 1:19:41.040 can find me there. Um, I'm on the show Big 1:19:41.040 --> 1:19:45.400 Hero six. If you have children, uh and so, yeah, 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:47.360 you can just go ahead and follow me there. Awesome, 1:19:47.439 --> 1:19:49.680 Thank you so much. You can follow us at all 1:19:49.720 --> 1:19:53.480 the normal places. Thanks, for coming, Thanks for happy holidays, 1:19:53.840 --> 1:20:01.040 and we'll see you next time. Thank you. Oh hey everyone, 1:20:01.800 --> 1:20:05.160 that was our our live show episode like that. Oh 1:20:05.439 --> 1:20:07.559 they loved it. Anyway, Well, we just want to say 1:20:07.560 --> 1:20:10.759 thank you again to our guest Smarrow Wilson. Thanks again 1:20:10.800 --> 1:20:13.439 to the Ruby. Just a reminder that we have a 1:20:13.479 --> 1:20:16.880 live show there every second Saturday of the month at 1:20:16.960 --> 1:20:20.160 nine pm. So give us a little kiss. Yeah, only 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:22.960 if you want to, and only if we want you to. 1:20:24.040 --> 1:20:26.519 I'm just all about consent here, you know, give us 1:20:26.520 --> 1:20:33.840 a little kiss. Jamie granted her. I do not touch 1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:36.080 me or look me in the eye. Come give me 1:20:36.120 --> 1:20:38.840 a little kiss. And now it sounds like I'm soliciting. 1:20:39.080 --> 1:20:42.600 So anyways, come to the Ruby and we'll just you know, 1:20:42.720 --> 1:20:47.040 feel things out. Yes, right, that's great. Um. Anyway, you 1:20:47.080 --> 1:20:51.040 can follow us on social media at bectel Cast. You 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:53.920 can write and review us on iTunes. That helps us. Yes, 1:20:54.680 --> 1:20:57.280 that's your Christmas present to us. Yes, please give us 1:20:57.439 --> 1:21:02.360 a wonderful review. Um. You can subscribe to our patreon 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:05.400 a k a Matreon five dollars a month gets you 1:21:05.400 --> 1:21:08.679 two bonus episodes. Go to patreon dot com, slash becktel 1:21:08.760 --> 1:21:11.960 Casts and check out our merch If you're looking for 1:21:12.000 --> 1:21:15.000 any belated holiday gifts or you want to rush order 1:21:15.200 --> 1:21:18.439 something uh, the link is t public dot com slash 1:21:18.439 --> 1:21:21.679 to the backdel cast. We have some holiday exclusive designs 1:21:22.080 --> 1:21:24.479 and all the ones you know and love, so check 1:21:24.479 --> 1:21:28.559 them out. Yes, indeed, well, Happy holidays to you, Jamie, 1:21:28.560 --> 1:21:32.040 and happy holidays to us all. Happy holiday, Seve, kay okay, 1:21:32.080 --> 1:21:32.679 bye bye