1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands? 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: Do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef invest start changing 4 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,120 Speaker 1: it with the Bedel Cast. Hey, it's Caitlin and Jamie 5 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: and you're about to hear our episode on ELF. But 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: first we just had a few quick plugs that we 7 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: wanted to do at the top of the show. Starting 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: with our next live show in Los Angeles is January twelve. 9 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 1: I'm so excited guest Danielle Perez. Ever heard of her? 10 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 1: Friend of the cast might remember her from our hocus 11 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:43,240 Speaker 1: Pocus episode. Let's go back to your research. So she's 12 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 1: coming back and we're talking about Romeo and Michelle's high 13 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: school reunion movie and I haven't seen yet. Oh my goodness, 14 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you to see it. So that's 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: on January twelve at nine pm at The Ruby, and 16 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: tickets are on sale for that at bectelcast dot com 17 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: and click on live appearances. And just a reminder that 18 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: we have a live show in l A every second 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: Saturday of the month at the Ruby at the Ruby 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: at nine pm, So mark your calendars and don't do 21 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: anything else except for that, and I think all of 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: our regulars can attest because we do have rags, join 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: the fam. It's a small, intimate, fun show. We always 24 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 1: hang after. We bring scloocy merch. What more could you want? 25 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,040 Speaker 1: Nothing more? Nothing? Um speaking of other live shows, there 26 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: are still tickets left to some of our West Coast 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: tour shows in January. So at the time of this recording, 28 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: we've got tickets left to our San Francisco show on January. 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,479 Speaker 1: That's a part of SF sketch Fest. We're talking about 30 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club, and there are tickets left to our 31 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: show in Portland on January. We're talking about Fight Club 32 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: as well as the two of us are doing a 33 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: stand up show in Seattle. Yes, just the two of us, 34 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: Just the two of us doing our stand up coming day. 35 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: I ever heard of it. If you haven't, you're going 36 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: to have to fly yourself out to Seattle. Sorry. Yeah, 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:11,839 Speaker 1: So that's on January, and tickets for all of those 38 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: shows are same place backdelcast dot com and click on 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: live appearances And then, um, I would just like to 40 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: plug a couple of things that just I'm doing. Sorry Jamie, 41 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: but like okay, I know. I'm so sorry, but you 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,919 Speaker 1: know I'm running some screenwriting workshops. You can come. Yes, 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: I would love to learn on um. Yeah, if you 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: want to learn from someone who has a master's degree 45 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 1: in screen right now bought. Yes, I don't know what 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm doing, but I would love to. Oh my god, 47 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: I'd love to teach you. So um if you want 48 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: to come with Jamie to either. The one I'm doing 49 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: in um Portland is January at seven pm, and I'm 50 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: doing on in Seattle on January. I think that one's 51 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: in the afternoon. It's a Saturday. Yeah, come and learn 52 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: from a master. And it's just like a crash course 53 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: in all things writing for the screen. So I love it. 54 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: Thank you great um. And more info and the registration 55 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: links are on my website Caitlin Dronte dot com and 56 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: then click on the show's tab. You can go to 57 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: my website, but it's mostly dead links and a lot 58 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: of videos of hot dogs. I I recently hyper linked there. 59 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: My website is eighty present the episode of How It's 60 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: Made of Various Meats. Oh that sounds disgusting, no offense, 61 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: but Jamie Loft is his innocent. Dot com is the 62 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: hyperlink for all the meat videos. Yes, please just go 63 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: there for fun anyway. So those are the quick plugs 64 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: we wanted to do at the top of the show. 65 00:03:54,080 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: So you log hou it's made uppisode for hot dogs anyways. 66 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: Enjoyed that? Yeah, enjoy the episode. It's a great one. 67 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: And uh, well we'll see you soon. I'm going to 68 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: tweet that. Ok. Bye cast. Hi, Hi everyone, thanks for 69 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: coming to the Becdel Cast. Hi everyone. My name is 70 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus, my name is Caitlin Darante, and this is 71 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: our show that you're at. And maybe was anyone here 72 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:36,039 Speaker 1: dragged by a loved one? Raise your hands? It always 73 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:41,919 Speaker 1: takes a second. They're like, well, thank you for coming. 74 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: By round of applause, who has seen the movie? Else? Great? 75 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: Everyone but me? Cool? Is there anyone by round of 76 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: applause who has not seen el Yes, allies, there's always 77 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: a couple, there's always of you. So we are the 78 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,919 Speaker 1: Bechtel Cast. We talk about the portrayal and representation of women, 79 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: among other things in film, using the Bechdel test as 80 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: like a jumping off point to initiate a larger conversation. 81 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: And if you don't know what the Bechtel test is UH. 82 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,160 Speaker 1: First of all, a shame on you. Second of all, 83 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 1: I take it back, You're fine, But it is is. 84 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: It's a media test invented by Alison Bechdel that requires 85 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: that there be two female identifying characters in a narrative that, 86 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: for us, have names, and they have to talk to 87 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:38,279 Speaker 1: each other about something other than a man for a 88 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: total of two lines of dialogue. So if you've seen Elf, 89 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: just think about that for a second. A lot of 90 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: movies don't do this. They're not able to do what 91 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,799 Speaker 1: is truly the bare minimum. My favorite bad pass because 92 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: I most like most media tests, it is a flawed metric. 93 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: UH is the She's All that where one of the 94 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:05,159 Speaker 1: named female characters tells the other named female character to 95 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: kill herself and the first one's like, hey, you're like 96 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: technically it passes. Yeah, a really good one. Um. So, 97 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: do we have any other orders of business that we 98 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,039 Speaker 1: need to attend to before we introduce our guests? I 99 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: don't think so. I skipped the middleman tonight. You iced yourself. 100 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:29,479 Speaker 1: I iced myself quietly backstage like a lady, and I 101 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: just said you've been nice, and then I twisted the 102 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: cap myself and got down to business. So I'm ready 103 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: to go beautiful. Yeah. Well, without much further ado, let's 104 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: introduce our guest. She is a recovering child actor. She's 105 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: a writer. She wrote the book Where Am I Now? 106 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: And she has a newsletter called shan't we tell the Vicar? 107 00:06:51,880 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 1: Please give it up? Fromara Wilson. Hey, hello, Oh my goodness. 108 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: The audience is so close, and that is something that 109 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,160 Speaker 1: is completely wasted on the podcast audience because they can't 110 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: say it. I hate when people do that when they 111 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: record podcasts and they'll be like and then I went 112 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: like this, and then they'll do something with their hand 113 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 1: that we can't see and I'm just like, explain what 114 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: you just did? So so yeah, so so for those 115 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: listening at home, the audience is close. But they're all 116 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: beautiful people, so it's nice to look at you all. 117 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: I do like the jarring nature of a room where 118 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: you can make eye contact with everyone. Well, I get 119 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: a good feeling from this audience, so yeah, I got 120 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: a good feeling. They're they're receptive audience so far, and 121 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: they're very smiley, so yeah, this is good. Yes, some 122 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 1: good eyeballs. Yes, because we can see you too. So 123 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: Mara tell us about your relationship, your your history with 124 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 1: the movie Elf. Okay, well, uh so, I remember when 125 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: I was sixteen, I thought that I was like highbrow 126 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: by reading like Entertainment Weekly, and you know, I was 127 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 1: reading The Advocate a lot too. I was reading like 128 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, which is like a game magazine. 129 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: I was really in the closet guys, um, and I was, 130 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: but I was really like, I was reading a lot 131 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 1: about entertainment, and uh, I heard that Elf was a 132 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: good movie. And I knew that my family we were 133 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: going to go see movies over over winter break, and 134 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: my stepmother would usually choose a romantic comedy that I 135 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: didn't like because I was a very cynical teenager. Um. 136 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: And somehow, being a cynical teenager, I still chose to 137 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: see ELF. I was like, let's go see Elf. I've 138 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: heard that it's good and for like a holiday movie, 139 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: you know, maybe, but like I feel like nobody and 140 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 1: my family enjoyed it. And then like we were really 141 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 1: quiet in the way home, and I feel like everybody. 142 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: I feel like my parents didn't like get my sister, 143 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: my little sister says she liked it, but she didn't 144 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: seem to at the time, and I feel like everybody 145 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: blamed me, like they didn't like the movie and they 146 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: blamed me. And I remember being like being sixteen and 147 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 1: being like, this is so stupid. So I didn't really 148 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: think anything of it until a couple of years later. Um. 149 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,319 Speaker 1: It's also probably worth mentioning that I grew up Jewish, 150 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: um so a lot of holiday movies, although I was 151 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 1: actually in a Christmas movie and at one point in 152 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: my life, and uh, one thing I've got to say 153 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,959 Speaker 1: is if you ever have the chance to be in 154 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: a Christmas movie or sing a Christmas song or something 155 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,520 Speaker 1: like that, go for it. Because even if it's bad, 156 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: they need stuff to like fill the air on TV 157 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: and radio. So even if it's terrible, do it and 158 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 1: you will still make money. Like it is a very 159 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 1: practical thing. Working in a Christmas working in the Christmas industry, 160 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: you can say, is a very very that is a 161 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: very pragmatic move. So, um, I didn't think much of it, 162 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: although I did see the Broadway musical a couple of 163 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: years ago because I was babysitting in New York and 164 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: the kids I babysat their parents worked for for theaters 165 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: and so we got front row tickets to elf um 166 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: the Music Hall, and like, you know, you can think 167 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: that like Will fair Old does a lot in this movie, 168 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 1: but imagine the actor who had to play Buddy for 169 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: two hours straight like there was an intermission and singing 170 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: dance the whole freaking time. Like that guy, that guy 171 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: is amazing. I wish I could remember his name. I 172 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: am like still in awe of that guy. And not 173 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: only that, but the kids I was babysitting with. They 174 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: were like all dressed up to go to the theater 175 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: and they were sitting in the front row with me. 176 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: And at the end, he bowed and he bowed and 177 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: he waved right at the kid that was one of 178 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: the kids who was like front row center. So like 179 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 1: that guy has my heart forever, like like Will Ferrell 180 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: your grape, but like this is the true Buddy in 181 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: my head. But I watched it again the other day, 182 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: and um, it's not my favorite movie and it's not 183 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: my favorite Christmas movie. But I was like, Okay, I 184 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,439 Speaker 1: get what they were going for now I'm not like 185 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: I'm not a cynical teenager anymore. And there's also a 186 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: lot of actors in it that I like and you know, 187 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: so I was just kind of like, Okay, this is 188 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: this is kind of cute. There's also things that really 189 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: really have not aged well or even and we're kind 190 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: of weird at the time, but but I imagine that 191 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: we are going to get into this. So that is 192 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: my long protracted relationship to ELF, which I thought I 193 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: didn't have much of a relationship with it, but I 194 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: just talked for five minutes straight, so I guess I do. 195 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: I just want to give a shout out to the 196 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: guy who played SpongeBob on Broadway now god right, because 197 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: he had what Ethan Slater, Yes, shout out, you know, 198 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 1: I get you. Shout out to Ethan Slater. He first 199 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: of all, is hot, which is SpongeBob shouldn't be hot. 200 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, wow, it's crazy. Not as hot as 201 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: squid word, but that I have a I have a 202 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: power ranking that you can approach me afterwards if you dare. Wow. 203 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: But SpongeBob, I mean he like climbed up like two 204 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: stories set and like the third song and then he 205 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: has to still be SpongeBob, but he has muscles. It's great. 206 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: I know somebody who was in SpongeBob the musical and 207 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: she also has limitless energy, So I feel like that 208 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: that kind of makes sense. That's kind of what they 209 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: go for. I love it. Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing. 210 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: I feel really bad because I'm just like lauding this guy, 211 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: but I can't remember what his name was. So just kids, 212 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: everybody go home and google Buddy the elf In musical 213 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: in Uh yeah, everybody do that and then like find 214 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,480 Speaker 1: him on Twitter and be like Marl Wilson says, you're awesome. 215 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: Don't do that? Uh do you do that? If you? 216 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: If you are Jamie, what's your history and relationship with 217 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: the movie. I feel like this has happened to me 218 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: with a lot of recent movies where I thought I 219 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: had seen the movie but I actually hadn't, and I 220 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: had just seen a lot of T shirts and had 221 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: heard a lot of people say you've seen that. I 222 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: think I just like, through years of lying, convinced myself 223 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: and had seen it. I had. I had the same 224 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: issue with Nightmare before Christmas, was like, nope, just been 225 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: to a hot topic. I don't know what store this 226 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: movie is associated with, so I don't have quite the 227 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: same names, but the same problem. Yeah, sure, I don't 228 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: know it's weird because I was like the perfect age 229 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: to see this movie when it came out. And I 230 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: don't know what my mom's problem with Will Ferrell was exactly, 231 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: but what she told me because I remember asking to 232 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: see this movie because we you know, we were festive. 233 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: You know, we're like we would see stuff one of 234 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: those fun festive families. I was like, Mom, can we 235 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: go see Elf? And she was like, you know how 236 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: I feel about that man? But her thing was too tall. 237 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: I was like what she just was like, but there 238 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,480 Speaker 1: must have been a real reason, but she would just 239 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: be like, too tall, We're not going my mom. My 240 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: mom really didn't like an American Tale for some reason. 241 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't know why, and maybe maybe she felt that 242 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 1: they were like clearly Jewish characters, but they were like 243 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: Christian washed into it because there was like a five 244 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: of the Christmas Mouth story or something. I kind of 245 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: got that feeling. But she told me she I was like, 246 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: I want to see five Will goes West, but she 247 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: really didn't like an American tale and she said, no, 248 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: we can't see that. It's it's going to be too 249 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: gory and violent. I love a good mom. Yeah, right, 250 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: when you're later you're just like, oh, you just didn't 251 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: want to go exactly exactly. So I just saw it today. Great, Yeah, 252 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: I saw it when it came out in the theater 253 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: possibly I can't remember, but within at least a year, 254 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 1: but coming out I didn't exactly remember how I felt 255 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: about it, except that the other day. You know, when 256 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: like Netflix DVDs were popular and you would like rate 257 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: what you thought of the DVD that you got. I 258 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: just saw the other day that I had rated Elf 259 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: one star out of five. So apparently I absolutely hated it, 260 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: I first thought, because I didn't rewatch it at any 261 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: point until just a couple of days ago. And um, 262 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: I don't like it, But I have really good reasons 263 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: and I can't wait to tell you them. So shall 264 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: I do the recap? Yeah? Alrighty? So okay, Well, first 265 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: of all, okay, a story about a naive guy who 266 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 1: comes from a different part of the world and who 267 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: longs to be accepted by a new family. What is 268 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: this Paddington from a mile away that time? Okay? So um, 269 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: we learned about elves in the North Pole who build 270 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,040 Speaker 1: toys for Santa. They work in Santa's workshop and one Christmas, 271 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: while Santa is delivering presents at an orphanage. A baby 272 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: crawls into a stack of toys, and he accidentally takes 273 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: the baby with him to the North Pole. The baby 274 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: remained silent for the entirety of the rest of the trip. 275 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: That bothered me. One of the elves adopts the baby. 276 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: His name is Papa Elf Hot Hot. What if you're 277 00:16:08,960 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: just like my My name's Daddy. No, I'm single, I 278 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: have no children. I liked that. And the baby gets 279 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: named Buddy, and he grows up to be Will Ferrell, 280 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: and um, he's he's not like the other elves. Um, 281 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: he's tall, and he's not as good at making toys. 282 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: And he eventually learned the truth that he is a 283 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: human whose mother died and whose father is this like 284 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: big shop publishing guy in New York City. So right 285 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: at the bat, we have a weird Disney princess vibe 286 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: about Buddy where they're just like mother character. We're not 287 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: gonna want to bother with that. Let's get to two 288 00:16:56,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: men in conflict as soon as possible. So his dad 289 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: didn't even know that Buddy existed. So Buddy sets off 290 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: to New York City to understand by the way they 291 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: like they like, don't I feel like it's still really 292 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: taboo to have to have somebody like have a child 293 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: when they aren't married in movies. Have you noticed that, 294 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: like they're still still this thing or they don't. They'll 295 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: they'll have like a single parent in it, but they 296 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: won't ever And they really like didn't touch on the fact. 297 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: You know it's a family movie, but you know, you 298 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: never knew that she existed. They never The way that 299 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: they touch on that I think is really interesting. It's 300 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: like very specifically avoidant of like these people had sex 301 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: and they were really young, and she decided to keep 302 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: the baby, but didn't community like that's that's like a 303 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: complicated thing to to, you know, but they're trying to 304 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: keep it like that's still such like a for some reason, 305 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:46,919 Speaker 1: it's still like a taboo subject, I think, And it 306 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: totally ignores like the concept of like, well, she probably 307 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: didn't tell him for a reason. What if he's a 308 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: bad guy, Like there's I don't know that, And then 309 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: you keep seeing the same picture of her, but he's 310 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: always longingly like I wish my toxic father would you know, 311 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: like spoon me. But you're like a woman has died, 312 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: Will Ferrell, What are you doing? Buddy sets off to 313 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 1: New York City to find his dad and to find 314 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 1: himself and cool. Sorry okay, but the only world that 315 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: he knows is the elf world. So he shows up, 316 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: he walks, hear, he works, Does he walk through Canada? 317 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: How is he not cold and dead? He also gets 318 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: attacked by a raccoon. Do you do to elves? Get 319 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: like inoculations against rabies like the ones that you give 320 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: to your cats and dogs. He also survives entirely on sugar, Like, 321 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: how is he not dead? What do the elves know 322 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: that we don't about help and longitivity? Maybe that's why 323 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: they keep the whole thing a secret, because they're afraid 324 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: that they're going to like get you know, taken over 325 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: for their secret. Right. Well, at one point, he says 326 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: that his daddy Elf is like four hundred He's like, 327 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: it took him four hundred nine years to figure out 328 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: how to make blah blah blah. Like, so yeah, they've 329 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: got like the elixir of life up there. Think, Yeah, 330 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 1: it's kind of frightening and amazing. Yeah it's Christmas magic. Okay, 331 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: So that's that's our untapped resource, you know, or that 332 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: they're they're renewable resources. Christmas. So he shows up and 333 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: he's naive. He you know, he's still dressed as an elf, 334 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: and he like thinks life is all about like hugs 335 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: and candy canes and rainbows and the lack of knowledge 336 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: of boundaries. Yes, So he shows up at his father's office, 337 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: but his father, Walter Hobbs played by James con He's like, 338 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: get out of here. I don't have no son. He's 339 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: mean and he's on Santa's Naughty List, so that's why 340 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: he's like, screw you, buddy. And then Buddy goes to 341 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: a department store and he's are like, oh, I'll fit 342 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 1: in here in Santa's like whatever, like North Pole Station. 343 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:09,639 Speaker 1: They yeah, he's basically at like Macy's, and they mistake 344 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: him for being an employee there. So he just seamlessly 345 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: integrates into that community. And that's where he meets Jovi, 346 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: which is Zoe Deschanel's character Deschanel without bangs. It's confusing, 347 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: I know. And she works there as an elf, and Buddy, 348 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: here's Jovie singing a song. Baby it's cold outside, not 349 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 1: just anywhere it's in the show. She's in the shower. 350 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: We will, we'll talk about it. There's not time to 351 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: get into it here. My blood went cult. So Santa 352 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: comes into the store, but he's like, you're not the 353 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: real Santa. They get into a fistfight. Buddy gets a 354 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: restraining order filed against him, and then we meet Um 355 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: Walter's wife and son, and we learned that maybe Walter 356 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,199 Speaker 1: isn't the most like attend to family man. But he 357 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: does bail Buddy out of jail, and he's like, let's 358 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: get this paternity test. Let's get this figured out. It 359 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 1: turns out Buddy is his biological son, so he brings 360 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:15,879 Speaker 1: him home. That paternity test takes like two seconds. I 361 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: think there's a missed opportunity for a really good Maury scene. 362 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: There was, there really was. I think he would have 363 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: done the cameo no problem. Oh yeah, yeah, it's a 364 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:31,679 Speaker 1: shame the doctor played the doctor though. So so Walter 365 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: is not happy about like Buddy being in his life. Also, 366 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: his brother Michael, who's like, I don't know, twelve or 367 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: something like that, is also not pleased. But then there's 368 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: a snowball fight and then Michael's like, oh wait, Buddy's cool. Um, 369 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: and then he encouraged his buddy to ask out Jovi. Yeah, 370 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: very like the like suddenly a twelve year old knows 371 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: how adults were. He's like, oh, are you trying to 372 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: get it in with so you're just like you you're twelve. 373 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 1: Please stop. Later on, Walter takes Buddy to work with him, 374 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: sends Buddy to like the mail room because Walter is 375 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,480 Speaker 1: like trying to fix this problem with the children's book 376 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,719 Speaker 1: at this publishing company, and he brings in Miles Finch, 377 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: and Miles Finch is a little person who Buddy mistakes 378 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 1: for an elf, and Miles understandably gets upset and storms 379 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: out first that Peter Dinkledge. Yeah, Peter Dinklage kicking his 380 00:22:33,840 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: ass A very satisfying scene to watch. He extremely wins 381 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: that fight. Yes, So then Walter is furious and he's like, Buddy, 382 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: get out of here. I don't care where you go, 383 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: just leave my life. And then Buddy runs away, and 384 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: then Michael comes in. He's like, I'm scared our son. 385 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: Buddy ran away, And this is all happening in the 386 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: middle of this big pitch meeting, and then Walter has 387 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 1: to decide to like, is he going to choose his 388 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: career or his family. Guess what I choose the family. 389 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: This is all happening on Christmas Eve, by the way, 390 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: Santa is out delivering presents, but there's no Christmas spirit 391 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: because Buddy has no sense of belonging anymore, I guess. 392 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: But there's a lot of third act like sure that 393 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: something about the sleigh isn't happening. It's powered by Christmas spirit, 394 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: but nobody in New York believes in Christmas anymore or 395 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: something right, and everyone watches the local news at the 396 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: same time. You're just like, yeah, sure, whatever, we just 397 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: got to get this lane. And everybody gets to the 398 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 1: same spot in Manhattan within five minutes. My friend pointed 399 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: that out when we were watching, and he was like, everybody, 400 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: everybody is just they're like, you know, okay, as soon 401 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: as I heard, and very very much like an improv scene, 402 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: just leaping in, like you know. And then the second 403 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: the dad sings, the plots resolved singing singing the power 404 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: of music or something, but something Christmas cheers. That's way 405 00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: to spread Christmas cheer is singing loud hard disagree. So 406 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: Buddy's all like I gotta save Christmas. And Michael and 407 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: Walter show up to help. There's a guy who was 408 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: actively harassing a reporter and he's like, you have a 409 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: really nice mouth. Also, the other newscaster is harassing that reporter. 410 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: He's like, sorry to interrupt your first big story, you dumbass, 411 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 1: but I'm going to talk now, and then it cuts 412 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: back to her and someone is harassing her. But then 413 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: it's so weird the trajectory of that female newscaster. For 414 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: the few times we see her, we're just like, who 415 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: are you? Because it's like she's reporting the story, cut 416 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: away it to her boss, who was like, don't listen 417 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: to her. Then we see her with Michael Buddy's little 418 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: brother and then he's like, all you wanted for Christmas 419 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 1: was for your boyfriend to propose. And then she's like 420 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: stop the cameras and she screams at a child, and 421 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: it just like I don't know where I land on 422 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: this lady. So basically after that, jovis like, oh, we 423 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: gotta get Christmas cheer up and running again. So she 424 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 1: starts to sing, even though she doesn't like to sing 425 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: in public, but then everyone joins in and then the 426 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 1: sleigh starts to work, and then Christmas is saved and 427 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: then like the due mall of the story. Don't worry, 428 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: I have a master's scream screen. Oh my god, because 429 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: I feel ill. The family accepts him now, and he 430 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: wrote a children Buddy wrote a children's book about himself 431 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: self indulgent. Hello, Uh, way to blow your load on, 432 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 1: like you know, on one thing, Like, how the hell 433 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: are you gonna follow that up? Yeah? He should have 434 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,520 Speaker 1: made it a series, Yeah, idiot. Uh. And then he 435 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: and Jovie get married, I guess, and have a baby, 436 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: and then they go to visit Elf Daddy and that's 437 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: the end of the movie. This is a fun movie 438 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: where you're just like, you're like, is a woman going 439 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 1: to appear in this movie at all? Is this a 440 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: show shank situation? Like it takes a very long time 441 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: for women to affect the plot at all. And I 442 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: would argue that that even hardly happens. Yes, you're right, Well, 443 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: let's go home. There's a lot of like implied women, 444 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 1: or there's a lot of women who are like a 445 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: woman gave birth to Buddy, we don't see her alive 446 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: a photo of her. Well, even from the very beginning, 447 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: like in the in Santa's Workshop, there are way more 448 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: male elves than lady elves, and I think there's only 449 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: one ELF woman who gets aligned. She yeah, and then 450 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: she's like, buddy, you're awesome, and then she just disappeared. 451 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: They're also they're also all white, I noticed, which is like, yeah, 452 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,280 Speaker 1: I've seen I feel like other depictions of elves I've 453 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: seen have been like, like, no, there are multicultural elves, 454 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: elves from different Yeah, it's supposed to be like a 455 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 1: worldwide everyone, but this is like fashi elves just like yikes, 456 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: And it makes me wonders since there are so few 457 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: elf women. Earlier, like when the narrator is setting everything up, 458 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, there's only three jobs that are available 459 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: to elves. It's either making shoes, baking cookies, or Santa's workshop. 460 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, so does that mean all the 461 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: elf women are baking cookies, like doing the domestic thing. 462 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: I'm speculating here, but who's the elf Betty freedom, you know, 463 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: stepping in? You know? Also its fucking unionized man, right, 464 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: I mean there's only three jobs available for you? Yeah? Yeah, 465 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 1: there just aren't enough elf woman in the workforce, right, Um, 466 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: I don't know they were so quick to adopt Buddy. 467 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: I mean they needed more people in there, and they 468 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,239 Speaker 1: needed they needed Yeah, they needed hands. I don't know. 469 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: Maybe it's a Smurfette principal thing where there's only and 470 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: they all. I mean, you would think population would be 471 00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 1: an issue if everyone's living five hundred years, But I 472 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe some elves die very young. I don't 473 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: know what age does elf menopause hit and then six 474 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: h Yeah, like you start craving things that aren't sugar 475 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: when you get et goo through elf menopause or something. 476 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, it's very different. I'd like a detailed 477 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: study of that. I do. I do enjoy that it 478 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: was the elf daddy who like took the responsibility to 479 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: adopt Buddy, because I feel like it could have easily 480 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: been like the one elf woman you see takes on 481 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:03,720 Speaker 1: like the matron mother role. Sure, but that doesn't happen, 482 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: and so we get a single dad. So yes, he's 483 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: also funny, is very He has that kind of like 484 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: we were just talking about SpongeBob, that kind of SpongeBob 485 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: quality of like of not being overly masculine or just 486 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: not being being kind of you know, well until he 487 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: gets until he likes meets Jovi and and like disrespects 488 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: people's boundaries in New York and stuff like. But at first, 489 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, it's sweet. He's not doing things that 490 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: are like traditionally gendered and it's it's kind of cute. 491 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's he's really into giving people hugs 492 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 1: and being sweet and giving compliments and things. You know, Okay, 493 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 1: he should ask before he does. Yeah. Yeah, As it 494 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: goes on and the same way, yeah, I mean, it's 495 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: like you definitely have like a cool version of masculinity 496 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 1: presented here where he is never trying to wrong anyone ever, 497 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: and like you know, comes from a place of love. 498 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, we have a consent issue here. 499 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean it's because he's he is 500 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: such a lovable character and like he I don't know, 501 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: I don't think he's too tall personally. I think he's 502 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: just tall enough. Uh see. I had a different read 503 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: on that, where he is like a very loving, accepting person, 504 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: but once he gets into the real world, he is 505 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: acting like a man baby. It's almost like the born 506 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: Sexy Yesterday trope thing happening, but like born sexy yeah, 507 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: non sexy yesterday. I'm sorry, but I mean he's not like, 508 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, a traditional like hot lady bombshell. Like he's 509 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: not loud at any point, although he does expose himself 510 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: to but he has like this childlike mind that I 511 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: only have the patients for for about eleven seconds one star, 512 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 1: which gets weird when you consider the romantic subplot of 513 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: the movie where he has like a childlike understanding of 514 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: the world and of everyone around him. But then he 515 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: does like start to feel sexual feelings for a woman 516 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: who reciprocates, but he has given her no reason other 517 00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 1: than the fact that he's like a nice guy, which 518 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 1: is a good reason. But he's a baby. He has 519 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: the mind of a baby, and she's like, oh, well 520 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: he's hot, and so they're really is odd. Well, that's 521 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: what That was one of my main issues with the 522 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: movie in general, as you can remove the romantic subplot 523 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: and nothing about the movie would change, Like if Zoe 524 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: Deschanelle didn't sing acapella at the end of this movie, 525 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: nothing would change. Uh. And that's I mean, I feel 526 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: like that is such a I'm sure it was like 527 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: you know, studio and of shoehorn In and he's got 528 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 1: to fall in love, but they don't really give her 529 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: anything of narrative impact to do other than be his 530 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: wife eventually, which is too bad because there I think 531 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: that there are so many interesting, good characters in this movie. 532 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 1: But I agree with you that, like, like going straight 533 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,160 Speaker 1: to an adult relationship that leads to marriage what it 534 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: appears to be very quickly, doesn't make a lot of 535 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: sense for this character who has just entered the adult 536 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,040 Speaker 1: world for the first time, And it doesn't make a 537 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 1: lot of sense for Jovi, who it's like, yeah, he's 538 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: a nice guy, but he like came into a room 539 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: while she was showering and began to sing the most 540 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: problematic Christmas song available that for me is like enough 541 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: reason to be like, yeah, I'm not going to date 542 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: this person. So he comes into the locker room while 543 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: she's showering and sings baby it's cold outside and growing 544 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: up Jewish. This was I think the first time that 545 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: I had heard that song, Like I was a teenager 546 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 1: and it was the first time, like I probab they 547 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: like harded in the background, but I I didn't know 548 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: what it was. I didn't know the name of the song. 549 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 1: I didn't know that I really did not know the lyrics, 550 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: so this was like kind of a route awakening for 551 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: me at sixteen and being like what the funk is 552 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: this song? And like I'm sorry, like like like Christians, 553 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: you know, I I know you only have like the 554 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: two holidays, whereas we have like fifty you know, and 555 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: and like I mean, Hanakah has really only lumped in 556 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 1: with Christmas at all, Like we don't need hanaka songs 557 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: and movies so much because it's actually a very minor holiday. 558 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 1: The only reason that it's put together that that you 559 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,760 Speaker 1: like get exchange presents at all is because of capitalism 560 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: and marketing and you know, putting these things in to 561 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: make more money to market to more people. See some 562 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,360 Speaker 1: Jews in the audience nodding um and then but yeah, 563 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: but that's and that's so it's it's you know, it's 564 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: one of many holidays for us. I get that, like 565 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 1: Christmas is like a big deal, but I don't get 566 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: why you guys want to make Christmas sexy. Believe me, 567 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: I am all for sexy things, Like sexiness has its own, 568 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: has it, Like you know, there's a time and place 569 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,280 Speaker 1: for a lot of sexy things. And you know, I 570 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: have nothing against sexiness, but like, Christmas isn't a sexy thing. 571 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know why this song about being cold 572 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 1: and and you know this this playful creepiness where it's 573 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,799 Speaker 1: actually written as the parts are the parts for that 574 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,320 Speaker 1: song are actually called wolf and mouse. I don't know 575 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: if you guys knew that. Yeah, And and there's so 576 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,840 Speaker 1: many people now who there there's there's a backlash to, 577 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: and then there's the backlash to the backlash, and then 578 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: there was the backlash of the backlash of the backlash. 579 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: But just like overall, like fuck that song. It's not 580 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: a good song. And Christmas isn't sexy. There's nothing sexy 581 00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: about hanging around with your family. I love my family, 582 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: I'm close with my family, but there is nothing sexy 583 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: about that. Yes, agree, I totally agree with my family sexy, 584 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: no kidding. One star. So the shower scene is troubling, 585 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: and then a moment the worst leaning up to the 586 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: shower scene is also troubling because it's Buddy seeing Jovi 587 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,760 Speaker 1: for the first time. There's like this like angelic lighting 588 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,080 Speaker 1: that lights up from the Christmas tree and he's like oh, 589 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: and then he goes over to her and tries to 590 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: initiate a conversation and a few different times she either says, 591 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: please stop talking to me, go away, thanks, but I 592 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: don't sing. He's like trying to get her to sing 593 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: or something, and then he like blocks her from being 594 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: able to move. She's like trying to get past him 595 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: and he's like blocking her path. And then just a 596 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: few scenes later is the shower scene where he hears 597 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: her singing goes into the women's locker room. Also there 598 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 1: the Elves get a locker room, Like what is this place? 599 00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: I was just like, this is a really nice shower 600 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,799 Speaker 1: they actually they do. They have and and one thing 601 00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: that I noticed there is that she goes, why are 602 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,399 Speaker 1: you bothering me? Did Crumpet put you up to this? 603 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 1: And I and I realized that was David Sedaris's name. 604 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: When he was in Santa Land, he wrote a book, 605 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 1: you know, the Santaland Diaries, and he wrote that into 606 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 1: a lot of his writings, and I was like, oh, 607 00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:06,760 Speaker 1: Amy Sadaris, his sister is in this movie. That's probably 608 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: a shout out to to David saderas a lot of 609 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: the you know, New York comedians knew him, and uh 610 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: and yeah, but yeah, he has written about, and he 611 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: has says that they did actually get locker rooms to 612 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: change in. Interesting. Yeah, and because they had like their 613 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,319 Speaker 1: special uniforms that were given to them, you had to 614 00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,000 Speaker 1: you know, you had to wear what it was you 615 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,919 Speaker 1: would change and you know, they probably weren't as nice 616 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: as the ones they're also Zoeya Shanell says she's showering 617 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: there because her water was turned off. But like it 618 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,200 Speaker 1: shows her apartment later and that is a nice apartment 619 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: by New York standards. That is a nice big apartment 620 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: to be living in, you know, on your own, right. 621 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: But she's eating ramen, so she's poor, yes, But because 622 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 1: he has such a childlike understanding of the world, he 623 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: doesn't realize that he's like invading this space. Apparently doesn't 624 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,919 Speaker 1: realize that she is naked in the shower and then 625 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: just like is sitting near where she is and then 626 00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: sings along with her. So that's horrible and scary. Um. 627 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,719 Speaker 1: She does confront him a few scenes later where she 628 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: but that scene ends with her being like because she 629 00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 1: starts by saying like, hey, I need to talk to you, 630 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: and then she asked him, why did you do that? 631 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 1: And he's like, what I just love Christmas. And then 632 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,080 Speaker 1: she's like Okay, it's like that is they could have 633 00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: cut the first two scenes and replaced it with anything 634 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: I feel like, yeah, to establish their relationship because like, 635 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: because watching this, I the thing is that, like I know, 636 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,320 Speaker 1: there's the obnoxious like you know, this person makes you 637 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: see the world in like a different way. But like 638 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: I've got to say that like being like a grumpy, 639 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: morbid person myself, Like I have dated a lot of 640 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,160 Speaker 1: people where like they came in and they were like, 641 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: let's have fun and I was like the grudge and 642 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200 Speaker 1: be like okay, and then I was like, alright, fun, 643 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: I'm actually having fun. Okay, this is a good time. 644 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's actually like that's happened to me in 645 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: my life, where like, you know, you meet somebody cheerful 646 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,440 Speaker 1: and in affect your life in a positive way, Like 647 00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,279 Speaker 1: that is a thing that happens. It's a stupid trope, 648 00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: but it is a thing that has happened in my 649 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 1: life at least, And you know it could have been 650 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,719 Speaker 1: done in a way without him creeping on her, right, 651 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: But the fact that so many romantic storylines in movies 652 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: start out this way where it's like she's like, no, no, no, 653 00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: get away from me, don't talk to me. The most 654 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: egregious example of this, I think, at least of the 655 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,720 Speaker 1: movies that we've covered, was The Notebook, where like Rachel 656 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: McAdam says, no, like kill myself if you don't go 657 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: on a little date with me. You know. I had 658 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: a guy come up to me. I was I was 659 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 1: actually I think my friend is in the audience tonight, 660 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,879 Speaker 1: who was with me. We were in Europe together after 661 00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 1: my as she's smiling, I can see her. Uh. And 662 00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,480 Speaker 1: I was in Vienna and we were like separated for 663 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: a few days and I went off on my own 664 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 1: to this park and there was like a ferris wheel nearby, 665 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 1: and this guy came by and asked me, asked me 666 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: to go out with him and go to a party 667 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: with him, and I was like no, and I told 668 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 1: him over and over again. I was like, no, I 669 00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: have a boyfriend's no, I'm not interested. I'm not interested. 670 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,160 Speaker 1: And he tried to get really philosophical and ME was like, 671 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 1: but you just don't know where life is going to 672 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,720 Speaker 1: leave to you. And I think eventually I just walked away. 673 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: He never did anything like physically threatening. He was just 674 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: it was just kind of stupid. But like I told 675 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: some people about it afterwards and they were like, oh, 676 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: like the Notebook, Oh that romantic fan Pi. That's yeah, 677 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,959 Speaker 1: that movie is just like The Notebooks a whole other situation. Yeah. 678 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: I think it's like I'm gonna kill myself if you 679 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: don't be my girlfriend. Well yeah, see, I I had 680 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,960 Speaker 1: like a really complicated relationship with that movie because I 681 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: was like so much about this as upsetting, but I 682 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: had like a really big crush on Rachel McAdams, so yeah, 683 00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 1: so but then I watched her in other things, so 684 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. The thing that's especially troubling about this 685 00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: movie is that it is appropriate for children, So like 686 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,440 Speaker 1: kids are seeing this and they're like, oh, that's how 687 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: you ask a woman out. You wear her down until 688 00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 1: she finally says yes, and then that works. And that's yeah. 689 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a lot of it is. It's 690 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: like super trophy. And I would almost attribute it to 691 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: bad writing. But it's bad writing because so many people 692 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:10,760 Speaker 1: had already done uh freaky not good relationship that teaches 693 00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 1: you to not respect what a woman is telling you. 694 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, I don't think it's a 695 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: badly written movie, I think, But I do, yeah, I mean, 696 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: I do think that there was I think that there 697 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: was also kind of a thing at the time. I mean, 698 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,400 Speaker 1: maybe I'm also defending it because it was a Jewish 699 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,480 Speaker 1: man who wrote this, and I like feel for my 700 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:29,240 Speaker 1: my fellow Jewish film people making and being in Christmas movies. Um, 701 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: but now I feel like it was just kind of 702 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,760 Speaker 1: a weird common trope. At the time, the early two thousand's, 703 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: there was just this huge, like plethora of romantic comedies 704 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 1: and that was in like every single one of them. Well, 705 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: this is the year being worn down. I'm pretty sure 706 00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,520 Speaker 1: this is the same year is Love Actually comes out? 707 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: Love Actually? And I think the Notebook too there. Yeah, 708 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:49,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think it's like all in the same 709 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,080 Speaker 1: year that these come out. So that's not the greatest 710 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I mean, I don't think it's 711 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 1: a badly written movie. I think that that's the romantic 712 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: plot is was not written very thoughtfully, because there is 713 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,359 Speaker 1: a version of this story that Zoey Deschanel's character goes 714 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 1: on to do anything else other than show up in 715 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,319 Speaker 1: the last scene and be like nol la la la 716 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: la la la yeah, and so so in now it 717 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,920 Speaker 1: it's just if you take her character out of the movie, 718 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: how much changes. I feel like Buddy's character changes enough 719 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: just with his own family that you can sort of 720 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,640 Speaker 1: get to the same place, which just to me is like, well, 721 00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,440 Speaker 1: and she's not given enough to do and she's just 722 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 1: so underwritten as a character that when he does ask 723 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 1: her out, we she says yes, but we don't know 724 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: why because she's so underwritten that she has nothing in 725 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: common with him because we don't know anything about her. 726 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: And then okay, so I want to talk about the 727 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480 Speaker 1: scene where he does ask her out because his brother 728 00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:01,839 Speaker 1: is with him, this twelve year old kid, and he's like, hey, 729 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 1: Buddy asked her out on a date to eat food. 730 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,520 Speaker 1: And if she says yes, you're in. It's like a 731 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 1: secret code girls have. And I think that's meant to 732 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: be a joke. Yeah, I think, but yeah, but it's 733 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: implying that a woman's saying yes a K giving consent 734 00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:30,560 Speaker 1: is code for yes yes yes means yes. I guess. 735 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it sounds like it might not 736 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 1: be a code. I was like trying to process, like 737 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,399 Speaker 1: is this meant to be like a really funny joke 738 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: or is it just like, look at this dumb kid 739 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: who doesn't understand like dating yet. But like I was 740 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 1: just like, what a weird line dad into the movie. 741 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,520 Speaker 1: I do think that that was supposed to be a 742 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: joke in the like whole like Michael's like the child 743 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,360 Speaker 1: what is beyond his years and He's gonna show buddy 744 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: how to because I'm like, because Michael's dating all the time, 745 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: he's twelve, you know. Well, I mean that's kind of 746 00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:07,920 Speaker 1: the theme of the movie. I feel like that's the 747 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: theme of a lot of Christmas movies, is is you know, 748 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,440 Speaker 1: the innocent will lead us, and there's this message of 749 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: maintain that childhood innocence and also just believe. It's interesting 750 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: to me that so many Christmas movies have the message 751 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,480 Speaker 1: of just believe in everything will come to you. You know. 752 00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 1: It's this you know, just believe and believe in Santa Claus. 753 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,480 Speaker 1: And I always thought that was kind of weird from 754 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,640 Speaker 1: an outsider's perspective, you know, once I was sort of 755 00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 1: old enough to take a look at that, you know, 756 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,000 Speaker 1: and people would point that out in Christmas movie that 757 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: I was in. I was like, yeah, I guess it 758 00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,799 Speaker 1: is kind of weird that you are telling children. The 759 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: message here is like over and over again, believe, believe, believe, believe, 760 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,839 Speaker 1: and then later on it's like, oh, by the way, 761 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,440 Speaker 1: that's a lie. By the way, that's not true. And 762 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,000 Speaker 1: I mean that's not to say, like, of course, I 763 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: do think that there is value in in you know, 764 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 1: celebrating Christmas with Santa Claus and you know, having these 765 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 1: sort of magical moments with children, Like I don't think 766 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:57,480 Speaker 1: these are a bad thing at all, but I do 767 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,279 Speaker 1: think that it's interesting that the message that always comes 768 00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,280 Speaker 1: across is like stay young, stay innocent, and always believe 769 00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,840 Speaker 1: unless we are in like the third act of a 770 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:11,320 Speaker 1: Christmas movie right now, and Kurt Russell as hot Santa 771 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: is gonna like burst in and be like we need 772 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: you to believe or else we're kind of and then 773 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 1: the three of us need to be like, okay, we 774 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: believe and yeah, you're right. Also, like, it always annoyed 775 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 1: me that, like it annoyed me that Santa got so 776 00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: much credit for going all over the world and it's like, yeah, 777 00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,480 Speaker 1: he probably skips like the majority like Buddhist and Muslim countries, 778 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 1: you know, so he probably he has he stops a 779 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,200 Speaker 1: few places, you know, and then and then gets in 780 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,880 Speaker 1: his sleigh. It's not it's it's all the Christian families. 781 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,480 Speaker 1: It's not you know, he's he's slacking off. It's not 782 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,759 Speaker 1: the whole world. Also, Santa Santa as he's presented in 783 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,000 Speaker 1: this movie is kind of all over the place where 784 00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: Santa like brags to Buddy several times, like I know 785 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: how the world works. I'm fucking Santa. But then when 786 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,240 Speaker 1: Buddy is like, cool, I'm going to the world, Santa 787 00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: gives him, oh advice, He's just like, cool, good luck. Also, 788 00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,120 Speaker 1: that famous race sucks. It sucks. I got food poisoning 789 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:11,200 Speaker 1: from there, anyway, go on, yeah, I don't know that. Yeah. 790 00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,480 Speaker 1: And then at the end Santa, when Santa needs helped, 791 00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,839 Speaker 1: when Santa x Mocina falls out of the sky, he 792 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,160 Speaker 1: is like, hey, everyone fixed my sleigh. I was like, 793 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 1: what was your plan? B sir? Like what how would 794 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,600 Speaker 1: we have gotten this up? So, like, Buddy travels to 795 00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: New York City from the North Pole on foot, and 796 00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,799 Speaker 1: it seems like Christmas is only like a week or 797 00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 1: two later. Why didn't he just wait and then Santa 798 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,799 Speaker 1: could give him a ride? Like it was something he 799 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: had to do on his own. Come on, yes. Also, 800 00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:48,160 Speaker 1: can we talk about how um naughty has exactly two 801 00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,080 Speaker 1: connotations and it's Christmas if you're naughty or nice, or 802 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:57,840 Speaker 1: it's sexy. So actually I think Christmas is sexy. But 803 00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,560 Speaker 1: actually this is one of the reasons I think that 804 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: Christmas is creepy, and maybe that's why I don't like 805 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 1: the word naughty anyway, Okay, when we talk about the 806 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,279 Speaker 1: surprise kiss that happens because Buddy and Jovi go on 807 00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:19,359 Speaker 1: their date, they're ice skating, he surprised kisses her on 808 00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: the cheek, but then she's like you missed, and he's 809 00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,160 Speaker 1: like what, and then she grabs his face and then 810 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: kisses him on the lips. So she was, as was 811 00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,640 Speaker 1: the audience. We are allowed to believe into him kissing her, 812 00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:36,480 Speaker 1: but he just like lunged at her initially, like I 813 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: don't know, it's the whole thing of him being sexual, 814 00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: even though we've only seen him act like a child 815 00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:45,399 Speaker 1: up until that point. He's like eating pop tarts and 816 00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:50,279 Speaker 1: like gum drops on spaghetti with maple syrup and chocolates 817 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:53,800 Speaker 1: like he's a baby. And it always appear to me 818 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,680 Speaker 1: in movies where they when they sexualize either children or 819 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: childlike characters. You know, that always bothers me. It is weird. 820 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,080 Speaker 1: I mean like weird. Did Buddy learn to kiss? You know? Also, 821 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's thirty right. Being in the North 822 00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:12,560 Speaker 1: Pole does not explain why he has a baby's brain, Like, 823 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: there are the other elves with him seem to be 824 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,800 Speaker 1: regular adults who can like function the world as adults, 825 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: so it does well, why is he a baby? I 826 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: think that in this movie the something that is confusing, 827 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: but it's like he's so fun to watch that we 828 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,160 Speaker 1: don't question it. Is that, like happiness and stupidity are 829 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 1: conflated completely. He's happy, so he must be idiot. He 830 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:44,840 Speaker 1: can't even read. Yeah, yeah, Like you're like, oh, it 831 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: works for the character, but then when you bring him 832 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,040 Speaker 1: out in the world, you're like, wait, I thought he 833 00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:52,160 Speaker 1: was just happy when he was just happy and too 834 00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 1: big for the chairs. But there are some female characters 835 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,160 Speaker 1: in this movie that I like, but they are not 836 00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,360 Speaker 1: given a lot to do. Um. One of them is 837 00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: a Airiss, the secretary. She's who you here talking on 838 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: the phone to a friend saying that she she's like, well, 839 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, deb I've never declaude kittens before, but 840 00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,640 Speaker 1: I guess I can do it. Like I want a 841 00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: movie about her. And and this is Amy Sadaris, so 842 00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: she probably came up with that on the fly, which 843 00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,680 Speaker 1: it is her talking to another woman. Um. And and 844 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,840 Speaker 1: you know, imagine if it this this movie barely kind 845 00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,400 Speaker 1: of sort of passes, but only because of that was 846 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: she probably just made up? Um. But there's also there's 847 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,719 Speaker 1: also I also like Mary stein Virgin's character. I like 848 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,680 Speaker 1: Mary stein Virgin in general. I think, yeah, I love 849 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,160 Speaker 1: her too. There is a lot of actors in this 850 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:41,640 Speaker 1: movie that I really love. But she she is very 851 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: okay and excited and happy about Buddy being there. She's 852 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,399 Speaker 1: not like, he's not my son, I don't want him here. 853 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: He She is very encouraging. She's like, I can't wait 854 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:54,480 Speaker 1: to meet your son. It's so sad, but so beautiful 855 00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,200 Speaker 1: that this happened, you know where. Let's make him a 856 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,880 Speaker 1: part of the family. So there isn't this evil stepmother trope. 857 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,880 Speaker 1: Just nice, it's this very warm, welcoming one. Yeah, it 858 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: would have been an easy choice to make her like 859 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,959 Speaker 1: a very shrewy like I'm jealous and I don't want 860 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,400 Speaker 1: this strange man from the woman that you've fucked earlier 861 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,839 Speaker 1: to be in my house. Also, she talks a lot 862 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,959 Speaker 1: about her job. She's like, I have an accounts meeting 863 00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:21,879 Speaker 1: or an accounting meeting that day. She's got her own career, right, 864 00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: we don't really know she's There's one time she's like, 865 00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,560 Speaker 1: I have to do the budgets this, that's what it is. 866 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,759 Speaker 1: Like yep, sure, because he was like, you stay home 867 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 1: and take care of Buddy, because James con no, no, no, budgets. Yeah, 868 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: and he's like, I stand corrected. But that's another thing 869 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 1: with Buddy's character where he has such a bizarre blind 870 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,359 Speaker 1: spot to adult women in general, where he never questions 871 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: like what went on with my biological mom? That's never 872 00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,879 Speaker 1: really a question that's raised. Also, elves know what death 873 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,440 Speaker 1: is like? Is this going to be a shock for him? Uh? 874 00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,320 Speaker 1: And then with Mary stein Bergin's character, she is showing 875 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,959 Speaker 1: him much more love and acceptance and affection. And it's 876 00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 1: not that he responds to that negatively, but he's just 877 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 1: sort of like, cool, thanks, here's some spaghetti. And but 878 00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,400 Speaker 1: like he he doesn't get attached to her in a 879 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,960 Speaker 1: way that he gets he really only but with the 880 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: exception of Zoe Deschanelle's character only gets attached to like 881 00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,479 Speaker 1: other men around him. Maybe he's also attracted to people 882 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:27,239 Speaker 1: who don't like him, because Zoe Does's character doesn't like 883 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: him at first. He's just kind of like, I don't understand, 884 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, he he but it's it's it's not exactly healthy. 885 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,839 Speaker 1: I mean, like I feel like I'm totally over analyzing this. 886 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 1: But you know, let's armchair diagnosed buddy. Well, that's a 887 00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: thing about this movie is that mental health is treated 888 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:48,520 Speaker 1: really in a strange and mishandled way, where like people 889 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,719 Speaker 1: keep saying the buddy is insane or that he's chemically imbalanced. 890 00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,240 Speaker 1: That phrase gets thrown around and then the doctor character 891 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:00,960 Speaker 1: played by Jon Favreau says something like, oh, yeah, he's 892 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,919 Speaker 1: probably reverting to this like stage of blah blah blah whatever. 893 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,480 Speaker 1: Just take him home and he'll probably drop the whole 894 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,719 Speaker 1: act after a while. And it's like, I'm sorry, that's 895 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:14,320 Speaker 1: your medical advice, doctor, Okay, uh yeah. Dr Jon Favre 896 00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,920 Speaker 1: prescribes like love, You're just like alright, cool. That feels 897 00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 1: like a very two thousand three thing. Now, that was 898 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: very much you know, the age of the secret and 899 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:25,319 Speaker 1: just like just be better about it and you'll be better, 900 00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,000 Speaker 1: you know, just to be better about it. And yeah, 901 00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,320 Speaker 1: this is such a because I was like, oh, two thousands, 902 00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: it is such like a Bush era movie in general, 903 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,160 Speaker 1: because you're like, okay, well everyone's white and uh, and 904 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 1: that we do see a black Santa. We do see 905 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,600 Speaker 1: a black Santa boss at the department store because they 906 00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 1: have to fire the other Santa who gets into a fight, 907 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,000 Speaker 1: and then he assumes the role at Santa. Will Farrell 908 00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: was like in every movie in those days, like he 909 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,879 Speaker 1: really was. I remember like all of us joking like 910 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,000 Speaker 1: you know when we were I don't know, remember having 911 00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,319 Speaker 1: like a joke with my friends like when we really 912 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:01,440 Speaker 1: tired it from school, being like wish we could have 913 00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,520 Speaker 1: whatever Will Ferrell is having. I don't know. This is 914 00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: what theater and film majors, you know. I think it's funny, 915 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 1: I guess. But yeah, because he was he was just 916 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,799 Speaker 1: in everything in those days. He was in. He would 917 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,239 Speaker 1: be in like five movies a year, and it was 918 00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,160 Speaker 1: just like this is this is it? Yeah, there's another 919 00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,360 Speaker 1: quick point. And I wanted to make about so towards 920 00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,280 Speaker 1: the end um, whenever they're trying to prove that Santa 921 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,359 Speaker 1: is real in like they're all everyone's in Central Park 922 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: and Michael gets ahold of Santa's list of naughty people 923 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: and nice people too, and um, he starts treating from 924 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: it on the air. So he's going through and he 925 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,640 Speaker 1: was like, this girl wants a pop up girl's place that, 926 00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,360 Speaker 1: this boy wants an electric guitar. This girl wants a 927 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 1: dog called Susie, talks a lot, and then this boy 928 00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,440 Speaker 1: wants talking a lot. Uh, this boy wants a pair 929 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,439 Speaker 1: of like Nike shoes. This grown woman which we talked 930 00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,440 Speaker 1: about once, Tiffany engagement ring and her boyfriend to stopped 931 00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,759 Speaker 1: dragging his feet and to commit already. So it's he's 932 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:03,439 Speaker 1: like very gendered like toys, where like the boys want 933 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 1: like the tough, traditionally masculine toys and the girls all 934 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:14,319 Speaker 1: want like dolls or um. And not to like disparage 935 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,560 Speaker 1: any of that, but it is so again you're just like, oh, 936 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,640 Speaker 1: we're not thinking above what the normal thing would be here. 937 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: And then the one guy who they're like, oh, this 938 00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: guy wants a spa thing, and it cuts to a 939 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,000 Speaker 1: grown man and then like everyone turns to him and 940 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:38,840 Speaker 1: they're like, Oh, you want to relax, you fucking and 941 00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: that's like it's also the age of the metrosexual too, 942 00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 1: like that was the thing you had like straight men 943 00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,760 Speaker 1: talking about getting pedicures in you know, in People magazine 944 00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,400 Speaker 1: all the time. So it was a little weird. Yeah, 945 00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:51,759 Speaker 1: but like the one time that there was like, oh, 946 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna like not adhere to this like rigid gender 947 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:59,680 Speaker 1: toy norm thing is like a guy who wants like 948 00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:05,360 Speaker 1: a and everyone's like, what a fucking disgusting sick. There's 949 00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,960 Speaker 1: like a few moments that I think sort of fall 950 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:12,080 Speaker 1: under the same umbrella that happened between Buddy and his 951 00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 1: dad a few times where it's weird because like with Buddy, 952 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,839 Speaker 1: once he's in New York, everything has to be like, 953 00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:23,399 Speaker 1: well there was a boundary issue there too. But with 954 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,279 Speaker 1: the dad, there's times where he's like and then we 955 00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,400 Speaker 1: could hold hands and then we could cuddle, and the 956 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,120 Speaker 1: dad's like, no, I would never cuddle with my son, 957 00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: and it's just like very again, it's like the gender 958 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: norms of male affection works with handshakes and that's it. 959 00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,160 Speaker 1: You can't spoon your son. I mean, the movie does 960 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:46,839 Speaker 1: end with with Buddy sitting on his adoptive father's lap. 961 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:51,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean never had an issue with it. 962 00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:55,160 Speaker 1: Daddy Elf was always very affectionate, but it was crushing 963 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:58,840 Speaker 1: Daddy Elf sounds yeah, it sounds like a wine. Oh 964 00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:02,400 Speaker 1: that was my question. Okay, as it pertains to Buddy's 965 00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:09,520 Speaker 1: understanding of sexuality, So elves, how much are they fucking right? 966 00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:14,760 Speaker 1: Because they live a long time. Maybe they're not super 967 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,480 Speaker 1: horny because species wise, they don't need to stay with me. 968 00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,799 Speaker 1: They don't because they don't need to reproduce as much. 969 00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:26,840 Speaker 1: Maybe they're not as horny than people with less time. 970 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: So like, how like how sea turtles are like the 971 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:35,640 Speaker 1: like the land turtles only funck like like once every 972 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, ten years or something, because you're like they're like, well, 973 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,360 Speaker 1: you know, I've got time. I don't need to be 974 00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:48,919 Speaker 1: frantically fucking all the time. I'm a turtle. So I'm 975 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: getting closer. So I think why Buddy has the brain 976 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:57,720 Speaker 1: of a baby is because elves live a thousand years, 977 00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:02,759 Speaker 1: and so if he's thirty, he's basically three, you know 978 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,760 Speaker 1: what I mean. So he's like la la la, because 979 00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,839 Speaker 1: the elves when they're thirty, they're like, we're not going 980 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: to be fucking for like, you know, for for at 981 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:19,759 Speaker 1: least a century plus. What my original question was was, 982 00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:26,600 Speaker 1: has Buddy seen porn? Like elf porn? It would have 983 00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,680 Speaker 1: to be elf born. I mean, I don't know what 984 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,680 Speaker 1: else it would be unless I don't know. That's my 985 00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,879 Speaker 1: I guess that's his understanding of sexuality, because he does 986 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:40,600 Speaker 1: marry the first woman he meets. Yeah, what was that conversation? 987 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,720 Speaker 1: What was his understanding? I don't know. I get, well, 988 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,400 Speaker 1: it's the born sexy Yesterday thing again. She has to 989 00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 1: teach him how to sex and then he's like, Okay, 990 00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:53,160 Speaker 1: that's Mary. I don't know if that's responsible. I don't know. 991 00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: My only question was was their porn? Okay? Well, but 992 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:02,439 Speaker 1: no one has that answer. Does anyone have any other 993 00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,040 Speaker 1: things they want to talk about? I didn't want to say. Yeah. 994 00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,760 Speaker 1: I I that this movie was both written and directed 995 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: by Jewish people, which I kind of find interesting. And 996 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:14,319 Speaker 1: but I mean, if you actually look at it, like 997 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,840 Speaker 1: most of the songs, like most of the best Christmas 998 00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,840 Speaker 1: songs were also written, like like Urban Berlin and you 999 00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: know Ruth Red Red Nose Reindeer, all these songs were 1000 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,400 Speaker 1: written by Jewish people, So like it is kind of Yeah, 1001 00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's kind of funny and kind of 1002 00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,200 Speaker 1: strange that that, like this movie where it's all about 1003 00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: Christmas spirit. Christmas Spirit is was written by by people 1004 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,440 Speaker 1: who like had rabbi's performed their weddings and stuff. But 1005 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,400 Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know. I I that I found 1006 00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,800 Speaker 1: I think very interesting. Oh also Peter, Yeah, the thing 1007 00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: with Peter, the scene with Peter Dinklage where they're just 1008 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,200 Speaker 1: like making fun of him, where Buddy just keeps calling 1009 00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:51,200 Speaker 1: him an elf, like over and over again. Like even 1010 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: in like two thousand and three, I was like, this 1011 00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:57,400 Speaker 1: is not this isn't cool. Yeah, isn't funny. No, it's 1012 00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,520 Speaker 1: not funny. And then then it's like okay, I mean 1013 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: the Peter dinklich character wins the fight and says everything 1014 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,840 Speaker 1: that the audience is even though he's he comes in 1015 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:12,400 Speaker 1: hot of like I fuck more than you'll fucking your life, 1016 00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:22,160 Speaker 1: where you're just like whoa now starts every argument that way? Uh? 1017 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,360 Speaker 1: But I yeah, I I couldn't make heads or tails 1018 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:27,880 Speaker 1: of that scene. Yeah, Like that would have been insensitive 1019 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,760 Speaker 1: in two thousand and three, and now it just is 1020 00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:35,480 Speaker 1: like who what whose idea was this? And what did 1021 00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:40,120 Speaker 1: it add Yeah, at the very least, buddies insensitive comments 1022 00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,600 Speaker 1: go challenged by the person that he's directing them toward. 1023 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:46,960 Speaker 1: But it sucks that like the one time you get 1024 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,520 Speaker 1: representation on screen of a little person, it's like, oh, 1025 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:54,720 Speaker 1: you're enough, it's the joke. Yeah, And Peter dinklis has 1026 00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: been very good about saying like, I don't never want 1027 00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,560 Speaker 1: to play Elves. I want to play these characters that 1028 00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:01,440 Speaker 1: are you know, where they're either you know, actual people, 1029 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,000 Speaker 1: they're not. It's not a joking thing where it's not 1030 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,960 Speaker 1: treated in this certain way or it's addressed, but it's 1031 00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,280 Speaker 1: an addressed in an in an honest and open way 1032 00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:12,560 Speaker 1: and not you know and not like this. So I 1033 00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,480 Speaker 1: do think it's interesting that that he chose this movie, 1034 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:17,880 Speaker 1: But I mean, like that's his bardom, that's his choice. 1035 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: And and I love see I love Peter English, so 1036 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,680 Speaker 1: I love seeing him in anything like I don't know 1037 00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,640 Speaker 1: if you always saw that meme where there it's just 1038 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones theme, but it's just the words 1039 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:32,080 Speaker 1: Peter Dankledge song to the theme Dinklage Peter dlishe. Yeah, 1040 00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:35,280 Speaker 1: I love that meme because I love Peter d Engklige. Yeah, 1041 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I do remember thinking when like 1042 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,720 Speaker 1: he said, like I never do do these things. I 1043 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,480 Speaker 1: was like, I wonder how he feels about ELF in retrospect, 1044 00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:44,600 Speaker 1: kind of like the way that Viola Davis has said, 1045 00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,800 Speaker 1: like she feels conflicted about the help and you know, 1046 00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,800 Speaker 1: something like that. I was always like, I wonder if 1047 00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,880 Speaker 1: he if he you know, I mean he does get 1048 00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,479 Speaker 1: to be strong and kick Will Ferrell's ass. So yeah, 1049 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,400 Speaker 1: I mean I did. I regret everything I said yesterday. 1050 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,000 Speaker 1: So I'm sure like people who have done things, you know, 1051 01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 1: from the early two thousand's, and they might do it 1052 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,560 Speaker 1: differently today. It's just yeah that I mean, I was 1053 01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,120 Speaker 1: in some movies in the early two thousand's that yeah, 1054 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,320 Speaker 1: so I completely understand now I'm kidding that here. I 1055 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:16,080 Speaker 1: had a great time making them. Blah blah blah blah 1056 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:20,120 Speaker 1: blah represent represent explanation. Um I did. It's true, I did, 1057 01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: even if I wasn't done always the best movies. But yeah, anyway, 1058 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 1: go on, But that I don't know that moment, just 1059 01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:28,400 Speaker 1: like it is so bizarre because most of the like 1060 01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 1: quote unquote misunderstandings that Buddy has in the real world 1061 01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:37,000 Speaker 1: are usually pretty innocent and it you know, it's not 1062 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: always the greatest joke of your life, but you're like, 1063 01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,600 Speaker 1: he don't understand how doors work. He crazy man. And 1064 01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:45,600 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's like, but what if 1065 01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:48,919 Speaker 1: he did this very offensive thing? But we still love 1066 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:51,760 Speaker 1: him so much, and it just is, it's such. It 1067 01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:55,800 Speaker 1: was just a strange choice, especially like that role was 1068 01:00:56,040 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 1: written specifically as a cast a little person. It's not 1069 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,680 Speaker 1: a little person, just who can exist in the world 1070 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: as a normal person. That role was written so that 1071 01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: he could then be made fun of, so I mean, 1072 01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,720 Speaker 1: and Peter Nichols has been in many other movies where 1073 01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,640 Speaker 1: that's not the case, so that's good, But for this movie, 1074 01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:17,240 Speaker 1: that's the scenario, and it's you know, not the best. 1075 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 1: I hope his residuals are good. They are because, as 1076 01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:27,240 Speaker 1: I told you, Christmas movies, they pay love it um 1077 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,280 Speaker 1: any other any other thoughts. There is a really good 1078 01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,400 Speaker 1: cast in this movie, Like that's that's a thing. There's 1079 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,320 Speaker 1: a lot of really good actors in I forgot that 1080 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,320 Speaker 1: Amy Sadaris was in it, and she's one of my 1081 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,720 Speaker 1: strangers with Candy. I don't know if anyone's seen it 1082 01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,920 Speaker 1: but that's like one of the big shows ever and 1083 01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 1: she is phenomenal in it, but too bad that she 1084 01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 1: gets maybe a minute and thirty seconds of screen time, 1085 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Like she hardly has any bearing on the story. She's 1086 01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 1: I think she's like the one woman working at the 1087 01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: office there. Yeah, there's there's two women. There's like a 1088 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,960 Speaker 1: woman that he compliments wearing a purple dress. Wearing a 1089 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,960 Speaker 1: purple dress, yes, um, but yeah, she's she's one of 1090 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,840 Speaker 1: two women that work in that office, which I mean 1091 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 1: that is not true of publishing. I've got to tell 1092 01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 1: you you go to publishing and it's like I love 1093 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,040 Speaker 1: going to my publisher's office because it was just like 1094 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of like short women in uh like sweaters 1095 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:17,320 Speaker 1: that were just covered in cat and dog hair. I 1096 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,440 Speaker 1: was just like, I love you guys. You are my people, 1097 01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,480 Speaker 1: especially children's publishing. Yeah, I'm like, why was this? I 1098 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:29,200 Speaker 1: did appreciate seeing an older white male character who was 1099 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:34,240 Speaker 1: just blatantly horrible at his job and should have been fired. Like, 1100 01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,360 Speaker 1: we don't very frequently get to see mediocrity on full display. 1101 01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,920 Speaker 1: And I was like, we do, but it's not acknowledge exactly. 1102 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 1: They're like, well, of course, he has this job. As 1103 01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: one of my favorite tropes ever is uh the story 1104 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,360 Speaker 1: within the story and everybody's like, wow, this is the 1105 01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: most amazing thing ever where people will be like this 1106 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 1: story or this movie is just fantastic, and it's like, 1107 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,920 Speaker 1: of course they think the author wrote them both. You know, 1108 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,600 Speaker 1: like like everybody's just so into the story. So I do, 1109 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: I do. I've kind of find it funny that it's like, 1110 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: you know, he made millions, you know with Buddy the 1111 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,840 Speaker 1: Elf the book right, which is which is such a 1112 01:03:12,840 --> 01:03:17,440 Speaker 1: great story. I'd watch a movie about it and go 1113 01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,280 Speaker 1: see a musical or see a musical about it. Well, 1114 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,960 Speaker 1: let's take some questions or comments from the audience, if 1115 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,680 Speaker 1: we've got any, Yeah, come on down so you can 1116 01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:30,080 Speaker 1: be on the mic. Um, I'm curious to hear what 1117 01:03:30,160 --> 01:03:35,400 Speaker 1: you guys think about that special Someone joke because I 1118 01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,800 Speaker 1: feel like they were kind of making fun of women's 1119 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: sexuality within that joke when Buddy gave that lingerie to 1120 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:50,720 Speaker 1: his dad, which was like really uncomfortable in all sense 1121 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:58,920 Speaker 1: of worn. Clearly Buddy hasn't seen porn. There's my answer. No, 1122 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:02,840 Speaker 1: But also maybe elf sexy stuff is different. Maybe it 1123 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: is right. So the joke is that he sees in 1124 01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,280 Speaker 1: the store like a sign that's like get this for 1125 01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:14,120 Speaker 1: your someone special, and it's like sexy lingerie. Uh, and 1126 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,440 Speaker 1: then he gives it to his dad because again, he 1127 01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:17,800 Speaker 1: has the brain of a child, and he has no 1128 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: understanding of sexuality or that that would not be an 1129 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,000 Speaker 1: appropriate gift to give his father. So I don't know, 1130 01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's making fun of women's sexuality 1131 01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,959 Speaker 1: so much is that it's making fun of his inability 1132 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,400 Speaker 1: to understand anything about the world. But the fact that 1133 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,720 Speaker 1: it is like a sexy woman's garment is the butt 1134 01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:38,560 Speaker 1: of the joke. So that at the end you see 1135 01:04:38,560 --> 01:04:40,880 Speaker 1: it on the chair next to Mary's Team Virgin, So 1136 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,120 Speaker 1: he probably passed it on. But I always wondered, like 1137 01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,920 Speaker 1: she think, yeah, like like you might have this like 1138 01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,920 Speaker 1: love actually moment where she comes across this this nightgown 1139 01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:52,080 Speaker 1: and is like is this for me? Or is this 1140 01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: for someone else? Or is this you know? And but 1141 01:04:55,240 --> 01:04:58,680 Speaker 1: he's just very lucky that he chose her her size, 1142 01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:03,000 Speaker 1: because that could have led to some like like anxiety 1143 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:06,080 Speaker 1: and doubt and confusion and like disbelieve in, you know, 1144 01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,560 Speaker 1: in their marriage, which already was like not the most, 1145 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:11,600 Speaker 1: you know, happy and healthy, it seems. I mean the 1146 01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:14,200 Speaker 1: first scene when he comes home and he's like I'm 1147 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 1: not eating with you and leaves and she's like okay, 1148 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,240 Speaker 1: and then the sun is like can I leave as well? 1149 01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,920 Speaker 1: I was like, poor Mary has been here for a 1150 01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 1: minute and everyone she's way too accommodating, especially to her, 1151 01:05:27,640 --> 01:05:30,440 Speaker 1: like she's really shitty husband who's a bad husband and 1152 01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,919 Speaker 1: a bad father and and bad at his job. He's 1153 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:36,040 Speaker 1: really not good at much. But she's I feel like 1154 01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 1: so underwritten that she was like, well, what, everything's fine? 1155 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:48,680 Speaker 1: So Christmas? Any any other thoughts questions? Yeah, come on down. Um, 1156 01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:52,120 Speaker 1: since this movie is severely lacking in diversity, who would 1157 01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:58,280 Speaker 1: you cast as Alfred Molina? Thank you for asking. Um. 1158 01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:03,200 Speaker 1: I have a lot of opinions. I think that Alfred Molina, 1159 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, could have been Buddy. Obviously, he could have 1160 01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,720 Speaker 1: been buddy. He can play anything, right. Uh oh, he 1161 01:06:11,720 --> 01:06:15,360 Speaker 1: could have been daddy help easily. But what I think 1162 01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 1: is the best solution is to cast him as James 1163 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:24,640 Speaker 1: CON's son. That would be the ideal that they're like, 1164 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,960 Speaker 1: oh here's my son, Michael. He's twelve. Alfred Molina is 1165 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:35,280 Speaker 1: not even doing an American accent, just bully Brenda. She's like, hello, 1166 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,680 Speaker 1: my name is Michael. I'm surprised you didn't. I'm surprised 1167 01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: you didn't say Santa yea. I well, no, I have 1168 01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,920 Speaker 1: to cast him as Santa in Santa University, so I 1169 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 1: can't have him being associated with another Santa franchise. That's 1170 01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:56,200 Speaker 1: just good business. So but yeah, no, I think he 1171 01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:58,160 Speaker 1: would play I think, you know, we know he can 1172 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:00,439 Speaker 1: play anything, so let's see if he can a twelve 1173 01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:05,720 Speaker 1: year old. Great question, Thank you for any others? Oh yeah, 1174 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 1: where hi? I was wondering what you all thought about 1175 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:18,800 Speaker 1: feminist icon raccoon who attacks Buddy good call, good call? 1176 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:25,360 Speaker 1: First of all, how many nipples does a raccoon have? Eight, ten, twelve? 1177 01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't know. I don't know what 1178 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,000 Speaker 1: if it's just one? Does any animal? Does any animal 1179 01:07:32,080 --> 01:07:35,160 Speaker 1: have one? I don't think so. I think it's always even, 1180 01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:41,760 Speaker 1: it's always sets. They come in sets. But well, your question, 1181 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,000 Speaker 1: what do I think of him? I think that indeed, 1182 01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:48,960 Speaker 1: femtast icon, maybe even queer icon. I think that the 1183 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:54,880 Speaker 1: raccoon is certainly an ally um And also Buddy who's 1184 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,200 Speaker 1: not good at you know, listening per se to what 1185 01:07:58,280 --> 01:08:01,360 Speaker 1: people are trying to communicate to him. Raccoon is like 1186 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:06,600 Speaker 1: being explicitly clear, and so we know moment one, but 1187 01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:08,560 Speaker 1: he's not going to take cues in this world. And 1188 01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:11,360 Speaker 1: I know in two thousand three we were all there, 1189 01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,120 Speaker 1: go with me on this journey. Uh. And and two 1190 01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,360 Speaker 1: thousand three we're like, oh my god, the raccoons being 1191 01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:22,200 Speaker 1: so rude to will farell Is the raccoon on her period? Yeah, 1192 01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,160 Speaker 1: like what is wrong with raccoons? I know a lot 1193 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,600 Speaker 1: about raccoons, but I don't know if they actually I 1194 01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,960 Speaker 1: don't think they do. I think it's like, no, they do, 1195 01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,400 Speaker 1: but it's like it's not like human is. It's like 1196 01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:39,040 Speaker 1: you don't see it. That sounds better. Uh. But then 1197 01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:43,479 Speaker 1: in eighteen we're like, actually, where's the film? Frand tries 1198 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:47,040 Speaker 1: for the raccoon because she really has a story we 1199 01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,800 Speaker 1: didn't explore, so her and her I think she should 1200 01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,080 Speaker 1: be in a movie with Amy, Saidaris, and Amy Saidarius 1201 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:55,320 Speaker 1: will be like, boy, I've never had clawda raccoon before, 1202 01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:59,599 Speaker 1: and you know, and the raccoons. The raccoon teaches her 1203 01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,160 Speaker 1: that liked clawing is like actually bad and you shouldn't 1204 01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,000 Speaker 1: do it because it hurts your cats. And I'm a 1205 01:09:04,040 --> 01:09:07,000 Speaker 1: cat lady, so I know this. But yeah, that's that's I. 1206 01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:09,400 Speaker 1: I do also love raccoons. I'm I'm always in support 1207 01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,200 Speaker 1: of raccoons and almost everything. They're one of my favorite animals. Um, 1208 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:15,040 Speaker 1: I really love them. I have like a raccoon puppet 1209 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,080 Speaker 1: at home that pops out of a little garbage can. 1210 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:21,519 Speaker 1: So um, I'm I'm almost always on team Raccoon. I'm 1211 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,760 Speaker 1: almost always on on team Raccoons. So the puppet I 1212 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:28,080 Speaker 1: didn't see coming. I will say, Look, I was at 1213 01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:30,479 Speaker 1: I was at I was at a convention, I was working, 1214 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,439 Speaker 1: and I saw I was like, oh, it's a little 1215 01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:35,440 Speaker 1: stuffed animal. Oh okay, it's a puppet, all right. Well 1216 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,040 Speaker 1: I'll leave it half there. So people don't think that 1217 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:38,920 Speaker 1: I'm like a puppet person. Although I actually did learn 1218 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:40,439 Speaker 1: how to do puppetry at n y U. But that's 1219 01:09:40,479 --> 01:09:43,880 Speaker 1: a whole other story. And what use a weird place, guys, Um, 1220 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:49,439 Speaker 1: I'm a puppet person. Yeah, we know. J know. Any 1221 01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:53,760 Speaker 1: other questions or comments or anything like that, Oh yeah, um, 1222 01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:55,519 Speaker 1: this is a long time ago. But you were talking 1223 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,240 Speaker 1: about baby it's cold outside and about how those lyrics 1224 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,320 Speaker 1: aren't great. And U there's actually a musician named Lydia 1225 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,080 Speaker 1: Eliza who has released a modernized like version of the song, 1226 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:10,080 Speaker 1: like updated lyrics, like she did it like a few 1227 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,200 Speaker 1: years ago. It sounds Spotify and also you can um 1228 01:10:13,479 --> 01:10:15,640 Speaker 1: all the money that goes from that goes to like 1229 01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 1: Survivors and a couple of foundations as well, And it's 1230 01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:20,960 Speaker 1: like a really funny take on this song. I guess 1231 01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,400 Speaker 1: if you like babies Call Outside sort of but you 1232 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,720 Speaker 1: don't want to listen to the lyrics, that's that's a 1233 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:31,640 Speaker 1: good alternative. Yes, thank you so much. Check that out. Um. 1234 01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:38,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry not to challenge queer icon Raccoon because I 1235 01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:44,480 Speaker 1: totally agree, but like, what about queer icon awkward claymation, 1236 01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Mr Norwal Yes, fully excellent point. Yes, clearly we were 1237 01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:56,880 Speaker 1: not as thorough as we should have been in this episode. 1238 01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,479 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure all the claimations are are they're they're 1239 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,479 Speaker 1: they're all queer, they're all queer. I mean, I don't know, 1240 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,280 Speaker 1: maybe that was just my reading of it, but no, 1241 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:09,880 Speaker 1: I think queer coded. Yes, yes, I I thought they 1242 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,679 Speaker 1: were all queer coded. That's the stemen from the Rudolph 1243 01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:16,880 Speaker 1: the Red Nose reindeer animated movie. Right, okay, yeah, but 1244 01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:20,879 Speaker 1: I agree with Narwhale. I would also argue that penguin, 1245 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:25,880 Speaker 1: what's the story there? You know, maybe that's Buddy's next 1246 01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:28,280 Speaker 1: book is you know? I mean there are a lot 1247 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,160 Speaker 1: of gay penguins. So yes, yes, oh, has no one 1248 01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:39,000 Speaker 1: else read this clickbait because it's true? All right? Well, hey, 1249 01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:45,479 Speaker 1: does this movie past the Bechtel test? No, unless you 1250 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,559 Speaker 1: count Amy Saidari's talking to another woman on the phone, 1251 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,799 Speaker 1: I would say, because we don't hear them talking, then yeah, 1252 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,120 Speaker 1: because she is named. Her name is Connie, and they 1253 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,679 Speaker 1: are talking about Decline cats, which talk about a Bechtel 1254 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:06,200 Speaker 1: test passing scene. If the cats are male cats, I 1255 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,799 Speaker 1: still think it would pass. But she's named I think Connie, 1256 01:12:10,840 --> 01:12:13,759 Speaker 1: And then Amy Sadaris's Character's name is deb But because 1257 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,439 Speaker 1: we don't hear Connie's voice in her side of the conversation, 1258 01:12:16,439 --> 01:12:18,559 Speaker 1: I would say that does not pass. The only other 1259 01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:20,680 Speaker 1: time where it comes close where women are interacting is 1260 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,599 Speaker 1: towards the end, whenever Jovi and Mary stein Bergen's character 1261 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 1: Virgin Bergen. I think it's Virgin. They sing at each other, 1262 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,360 Speaker 1: but the song is about Santa Claus, so it does 1263 01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:36,559 Speaker 1: not pass. And they're also not actually talking to each other. 1264 01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:41,080 Speaker 1: And that's all you get with women interacting in the movie. Elf. Yeah, 1265 01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,720 Speaker 1: there's really not much happening there. Well, let's write the 1266 01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:50,280 Speaker 1: movie on our nipple scale, shall we? Yeah? Yeah, zero 1267 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,080 Speaker 1: to five nipples based on his portrayal of women. I'm 1268 01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:58,960 Speaker 1: gonna give it a half nipple. We're zero it is 1269 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,479 Speaker 1: it even? I think it's zero? Yeah, I'm gonna give 1270 01:13:02,520 --> 01:13:08,040 Speaker 1: it zero nipples because between Zoe's character, which the arc 1271 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:11,880 Speaker 1: of that is that he harasses her and wears her 1272 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:17,000 Speaker 1: down into eventually going out with him, and then basically 1273 01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:19,559 Speaker 1: her function in the story is to help him grow 1274 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:22,200 Speaker 1: is a person, so she doesn't have any sort of 1275 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,040 Speaker 1: her own character, her own stories all just about like 1276 01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:28,559 Speaker 1: characterizing him. Mary Steinberger's character, did I say it right? 1277 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:32,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. We've said both ways, so we're gonna 1278 01:13:32,600 --> 01:13:38,840 Speaker 1: be right the chance she is very underwritten, as is 1279 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:42,240 Speaker 1: Amy Saidar's character, like they're just they exist in the 1280 01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:46,160 Speaker 1: story to support the men around them. And um, yeah, 1281 01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:48,799 Speaker 1: it's a very white movie. It's a very hetero movie. 1282 01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:55,040 Speaker 1: So zero nipples. And that's the end of my speech. 1283 01:13:55,760 --> 01:14:03,599 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with I'll give it one, okay, give 1284 01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:08,360 Speaker 1: it half of one, okay, because I think, as with 1285 01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:13,400 Speaker 1: most movies we cover, there's a lot of missed potential 1286 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:17,480 Speaker 1: where at very least I'm going back to one. Okay, 1287 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm going back to one because especially with Mary stein 1288 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:26,160 Speaker 1: Bergen's character, Uh, there were a lot of trophy pitfalls 1289 01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:29,360 Speaker 1: this character could have gone to that the writer didn't 1290 01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,360 Speaker 1: go in that direction and instead win in no direction 1291 01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:38,920 Speaker 1: and sort of made her like an inconsequential character where 1292 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,639 Speaker 1: you know, and then there's moments where you're like, oh, 1293 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:46,200 Speaker 1: Jovie is advocating for herself, she's communicating clearly, don't do this, 1294 01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,240 Speaker 1: don't do this, but she still ends up with the 1295 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:51,800 Speaker 1: guy that always does it anyways, And so there. I 1296 01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,680 Speaker 1: think the few female characters we have there is potential 1297 01:14:57,120 --> 01:15:01,200 Speaker 1: in them, but because they never technically get to meet 1298 01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:05,320 Speaker 1: each other, and because of I mean, the whole circumstance 1299 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:08,040 Speaker 1: of how like you were saying, they only exist as 1300 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,760 Speaker 1: it pertends to male characters, we just lose that. And 1301 01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,400 Speaker 1: I think that there is you know, a version of 1302 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,920 Speaker 1: this story where one of the many male characters is 1303 01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:21,439 Speaker 1: written out to make room for Marrier's always character that 1304 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:26,439 Speaker 1: ends up in a much more interesting movie. Also scary 1305 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:32,760 Speaker 1: white ist ever fashion north Pole, No, thank you, very freaky. 1306 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:39,679 Speaker 1: Um but the claymation was queer, but but queer code 1307 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,920 Speaker 1: and we're coded. Also, why isn't Santa a woman? All 1308 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:49,480 Speaker 1: female reboot of Christmas? They mentioned Mrs Claws, but it's 1309 01:15:49,479 --> 01:15:54,080 Speaker 1: it's just Mrs Claus made that for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1310 01:15:54,080 --> 01:16:01,040 Speaker 1: Ariana Grande Santa is a woman, major Christmas draw calling 1311 01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:07,719 Speaker 1: it maw why not beat a dead horse? Okay, no, yeah, 1312 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:13,920 Speaker 1: So I'll go one strictly on completely missed potential. Uh 1313 01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:17,400 Speaker 1: and because there are still parts of this movie that 1314 01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,679 Speaker 1: I thought I had seen, uh that I thought we're 1315 01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,920 Speaker 1: sweet and it's nice to see a leading male character 1316 01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:29,680 Speaker 1: who is not inherently macho toxic. So one nippy and 1317 01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:35,320 Speaker 1: I'm giving it to the raccoon. Yeah, I was, Yeah, 1318 01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:37,599 Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna say too, but then 1319 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:39,639 Speaker 1: I realized I was pretty much gonna say everything that 1320 01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:42,160 Speaker 1: Jamie said. So I feel kind of like I kind 1321 01:16:42,160 --> 01:16:43,800 Speaker 1: of have to bump it down to one and a half. 1322 01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,559 Speaker 1: I do think that the women are often the most 1323 01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:49,439 Speaker 1: interesting characters in this in this movie, and uh and 1324 01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:51,040 Speaker 1: I like a lot of the actors, you know, I 1325 01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:53,799 Speaker 1: love Amy Sai Arris, I love marysin Virgin Steven Bergkin. 1326 01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,599 Speaker 1: Um So, I I think that there's yeah, there's there's 1327 01:16:57,600 --> 01:16:59,559 Speaker 1: definitely that, and I do think there's there is something 1328 01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:02,719 Speaker 1: sweet and are about like you know, your your biology 1329 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,400 Speaker 1: not being your destiny, and and like there's one there 1330 01:17:05,439 --> 01:17:07,559 Speaker 1: is a message. They're sort of a like I mean, 1331 01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:09,680 Speaker 1: I guess he does like find his biological family, but 1332 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,080 Speaker 1: it's also it is also like you are also the 1333 01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,599 Speaker 1: people that raised you, and you know, and that doesn't 1334 01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,599 Speaker 1: necessarily have to be the people that brought you into 1335 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:19,720 Speaker 1: the world, you know. And and so I think that 1336 01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,640 Speaker 1: that is that is kind of a nice message that 1337 01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:25,200 Speaker 1: that you find in the movie there. Um So, yeah, 1338 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:26,920 Speaker 1: I think I think I probably would have to say 1339 01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,000 Speaker 1: one and a half because but I do feel very 1340 01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,439 Speaker 1: much like there were missed opportunities and there was more 1341 01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:35,480 Speaker 1: that could be done and it makes me sad that 1342 01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,439 Speaker 1: that there weren't. Um I do still think that it 1343 01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,000 Speaker 1: is like a sweet movie. I think it is very 1344 01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,840 Speaker 1: much of its time. There is this like really weird 1345 01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,920 Speaker 1: like period. The two thousands were like there were some 1346 01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:48,360 Speaker 1: good movies, but just like the culture I feel like 1347 01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,640 Speaker 1: of entertainment at that time was really weird, and there 1348 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,320 Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff that went on that like 1349 01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,200 Speaker 1: really shouldn't have and and so like even like the 1350 01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,120 Speaker 1: movies that are good, or even the movies that are sweet, 1351 01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,280 Speaker 1: like have this weird you know kind of like Aspertain, 1352 01:17:59,439 --> 01:18:01,880 Speaker 1: you know, after like after days to them of like 1353 01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:05,040 Speaker 1: like that was sweet, but what is this. We've covered 1354 01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:06,920 Speaker 1: a lot of those movies on the podcast. Yeah. I 1355 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,479 Speaker 1: always come to the same conclu Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've 1356 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,720 Speaker 1: been I've been listening. I was just listening to Miscongeniality 1357 01:18:11,720 --> 01:18:13,680 Speaker 1: episode and it was like, oh, yeah, right, that was 1358 01:18:14,040 --> 01:18:17,040 Speaker 1: sensibly okay back then, it wasn't that long ago that 1359 01:18:17,080 --> 01:18:21,240 Speaker 1: that was okay, that's weird. But yeah, two thousands were 1360 01:18:21,280 --> 01:18:25,960 Speaker 1: culture waste land fight me. That's not true. We had 1361 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:28,599 Speaker 1: we had mean girls, We had the Wire you know, 1362 01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:30,880 Speaker 1: which I which were equal in my eyes? Now? No, 1363 01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,120 Speaker 1: um no, we had we had you know, we did 1364 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,000 Speaker 1: have culture back there. We had Beyonce. But like it 1365 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:38,200 Speaker 1: was a very strange, very conservative time. I think there 1366 01:18:38,240 --> 01:18:40,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of risk taking. Would you like to 1367 01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,519 Speaker 1: give your nipples to anyone? Just as little Christmas tokens. 1368 01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,759 Speaker 1: Would would I like to give my nipples to anual 1369 01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:52,719 Speaker 1: not not your sorry Caitlin as a Christmas Ok? Yeah, sorry, 1370 01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:54,960 Speaker 1: I like I had a sorry. I had a moment 1371 01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,760 Speaker 1: of like of like you know, um, I mean I 1372 01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,600 Speaker 1: would also love to give them to the raccoon, but 1373 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,280 Speaker 1: I think I'm going to give them to the kittens 1374 01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:07,519 Speaker 1: that need to be to Claude. Oh yes, thank you 1375 01:19:07,600 --> 01:19:09,800 Speaker 1: so much for being here. Hello, thank you for having me. 1376 01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,759 Speaker 1: I didn't think I had strong feelings on this movie, 1377 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,960 Speaker 1: but I guess I did. We all do. Um. Where 1378 01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:21,720 Speaker 1: can people find you online? Is that you would like 1379 01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:23,679 Speaker 1: to plug? Yeah? You can find me at Marrow Wilson 1380 01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,160 Speaker 1: on Twitter. You can go tomorrow dot substack dot com 1381 01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,360 Speaker 1: for my newsletter. It's called We Tell the Vicar because 1382 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:33,840 Speaker 1: every week I closed with a fake BBC show title. Um. 1383 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,160 Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite things, making fun of British 1384 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:38,960 Speaker 1: television shows because they all have ridiculous names. Yeah, you 1385 01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:41,040 Speaker 1: can find me there. Um, I'm on the show Big 1386 01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:45,400 Speaker 1: Hero six. If you have children, uh and so, yeah, 1387 01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:47,360 Speaker 1: you can just go ahead and follow me there. Awesome, 1388 01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:49,680 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. You can follow us at all 1389 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,480 Speaker 1: the normal places. Thanks, for coming, Thanks for happy holidays, 1390 01:19:53,840 --> 01:20:01,040 Speaker 1: and we'll see you next time. Thank you. Oh hey everyone, 1391 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:05,160 Speaker 1: that was our our live show episode like that. Oh 1392 01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:07,559 Speaker 1: they loved it. Anyway, Well, we just want to say 1393 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:10,759 Speaker 1: thank you again to our guest Smarrow Wilson. Thanks again 1394 01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,439 Speaker 1: to the Ruby. 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