WEBVTT - Vulnerable w/ Andy Powers 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.000 Of the law and order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.760 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:07.640 vicious felonies. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.200 These episodes are based on. These are our stories. 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:30.280 Done done, Hello, and welcome to That's Messed Up n 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:31.440 SVU podcast. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:33.880 I'm Kara Klank, I'm Liza. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.800 Traeger, and every week we talk about an episode of SVU, 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.159 the true crime it's based on, and then we have 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.840 a guest from the episode, and yeah, we have another 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:47.959 great one. As always, it's good to be confident. I've 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.320 learned that from drag Race. We just had a fun 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:52.080 little trip. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:53.640 We just got to go on a little trip to 0:00:53.760 --> 0:00:56.600 Palm Springs with a couple of our vaccinated pals. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.720 Yes, we had a blast. We did. I did follow 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:02.760 one time and my knees are bruised. 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.039 But at LISTA was in front of a whole group 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:06.960 of people I didn't know. 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:08.800 You know that that made it better. 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.440 And I did get a pinch nerve that made me 0:01:11.520 --> 0:01:13.800 unable to walk for most of the weekend. But you 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:16.559 know what, good company makes anything better. 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:20.480 It is tough to be a parent. I yeah, I 0:01:20.520 --> 0:01:23.440 don't you need a vacation from the vacation. Not to 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.560 sound like I'm eighty eight, but well no, I mean 0:01:25.600 --> 0:01:25.960 it's true. 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.360 It's like I'm like, is there not a daycare option 0:01:28.480 --> 0:01:30.640 during this trip? Like I'm with her now, like the 0:01:30.800 --> 0:01:33.640 entire trip, and she was being a nutball, but she 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:34.280 was having fun. 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:35.440 She's obsessed with Lisa. 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:37.880 As we've already mentioned, the obsession only grew deeper over 0:01:37.880 --> 0:01:41.480 the weekend. She's like, Lisa, put on your bathing suit, Lisa, 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:42.520 put on your hat. 0:01:42.959 --> 0:01:45.319 My favorite was my friend was holding my phone and 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:47.360 Rosie went, is that Lisa's phone? 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.840 Give it to her? And I was cute. 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.040 Well, I think what we're getting is that she's a 0:01:52.080 --> 0:01:55.520 fucking bossy bitch. Like she's not even like I don't 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.040 She's just like thinks she knows where everything should go. 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:02.600 She also said a kiss, which to me is she. 0:02:02.560 --> 0:02:04.840 Has an abacus at home. So she does say I 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.440 want my avocus. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I'm 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.120 trying to get her prepedic case she gets into a 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:10.640 competitive Montessori school. 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:16.040 I just have to look up what that is, job, Rosie. 0:02:16.240 --> 0:02:20.520 She recently also started calling things spooky, so she like 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:22.560 picked up a book today and there was a bug 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:24.000 on the back of the book, like a picture of 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:26.720 a bug, and she goes, is this spooky bug? It's 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.120 just like really cracking me up that she I don't 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.160 know where she learned that. I certainly I don't prefer 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.560 to things as spooky day to day on a non 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:35.920 Halloween uh setting. 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:38.040 So I don't know where she's getting at, but it's 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.640 cracking me up. I have a Beanie Baby ghost. 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:44.919 Maybe I'll surprise her, Oh my god, because that's spooky, spooky, 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:46.640 fucking Beanie Baby girl. 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:48.040 Yeah, that's the thing. 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:51.080 My exes have gotten me really great gifts in the past, 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.480 and I keep them all. But it is weird or 0:02:54.520 --> 0:02:56.880 it's not weird. I get good gifts from people that 0:02:56.880 --> 0:02:57.440 I've dated. 0:02:57.680 --> 0:02:58.520 I can't tell if. 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:01.280 You would be easy to shop for, of course, because 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:04.560 you do a little bit of different things. Yeah, but 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.240 I feel like if you miss with you, it's a 0:03:06.280 --> 0:03:08.560 big miss. It's like a like a whiff, like I 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:10.440 would I would be like humiliated. 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.480 But what would you get me that would be a miss? 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:13.920 Like I don't know, like if I got you some 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:16.679 Simpsons thing and you were like, this is really fucking lame, 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:20.000 and it's from China, and it's like, nobody ad buys this. 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:20.720 I don't know. 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:23.720 This is a nightmare I'm working through right now. 0:03:23.960 --> 0:03:26.639 No way, I would be excited about everything. 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.040 And you know that I was gifted from three separate 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:31.680 people Simpson's bagoo bags. 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.800 Oh yes, and I've used them all. Yeah. 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.840 You certainly don't get it. You don't get mad when 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:38.720 you get a double gift. 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:41.400 That's no, no, no, no. Or also maybe I'll talk 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:41.960 behind your back. 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.240 But I would never accumiliate anyone in Publand in front 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:45.600 of them. 0:03:46.800 --> 0:03:49.200 Well, thank god, well, thank god for that. Okay, Wait, 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.160 I wanted to read this message that we got from 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:54.800 a listener because I thought it was wild. Because we 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:57.560 you know, you guys send us a lot of memes 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.440 and tiktoks of people dancing to the SVUS theme song, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:02.000 Thank you so much, we love them. 0:04:02.400 --> 0:04:05.080 We also get a lot of lawn and Order. 0:04:05.640 --> 0:04:08.280 Yes, like there are so many like plum and Order 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.040 or like lawn and Order, like lawn companies and plumbing companies. 0:04:11.080 --> 0:04:12.920 And I'm like, are you all living in the same 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.280 city or are They're just like multiple of these across 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.080 the country. And I think this is the second one 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:21.840 is the answer. But somebody was responding to us talking 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:25.440 about dancing to the theme song and said, my husband 0:04:25.480 --> 0:04:28.440 and I binged SVU in twenty ten, twenty eleven, and we, 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:30.719 of course dance like maniacs to the theme song. I 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:32.240 love that, I love one s FU can bring a 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.440 couple together. During one such dance off, I hit him 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:38.160 in the balls and he was obviously in pain. The 0:04:38.200 --> 0:04:41.800 pain lingered and his testicle became swollen. He went to 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:45.120 the doctor and it ended up being testicular cancer. He 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:48.279 has since fully recovered with no further issues, but dancing 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:52.160 to the SVU theme song quite literally saved my husband's life. 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:54.920 Wow. I thought that was worth a read. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.479 I mean, wow, guys, make sure to give your husband 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.200 a little ball tap every once in a while, make 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:01.680 sure everything's good down there. I guess that is a 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:05.960 good story. Yeah, I thought so, and I'm surprised. I'm 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:08.400 glad he's okay. Also so that I can't believe she 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:10.440 remembers the year that oh, because of the cancer. 0:05:10.440 --> 0:05:10.880 I'm sure. 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.960 I was like, damn, they really pinpointed the exact year 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:19.560 they marathoned, but obviously other things were playing. 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.360 She has a journal of all the nights that they 0:05:21.440 --> 0:05:22.520 danced to the theme song. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:23.080 Yeah. 0:05:23.120 --> 0:05:26.360 It's also now that we're living so close to each other, 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:28.880 is I am scared everyone will get sick of me? 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.080 No, what are you talking about. 0:05:31.120 --> 0:05:33.400 I kept going to the Joyce's house popping in and 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.919 they have full jobs, and he just kept being like, 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.120 I'm on a conference call. 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:44.480 I'm like, just to pop in. Rolled me a joint. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.760 That's my goal. Actually, to the. 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.240 Way, wait, who is that? Like what is that like 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:53.280 Steve Erkele or like what what characters? Aim GiB Yeah 0:05:53.360 --> 0:05:54.799 you're a gimbler. You're an arkle? 0:05:55.160 --> 0:06:00.120 Yeah, Aunt Jackie, Yeah, listen. Hopefully one day I'll I'll 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:05.280 book one of those Patton Oswald side King of Queen's. 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:08.200 It's like my dream. I want to be a buddy. Yeah. 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:10.680 Yeah, you as a crazy You as like a crazy 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.960 wacko neighbor I think really works calling all casting directors. 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.400 I mean, you have the goofiest neighbor. I still have 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.120 never met him. 0:06:18.240 --> 0:06:21.080 Oh so, my neighbor drunk dialed me twice over the 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:23.719 weekend while we were in Palm Sprinks. I was like, 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:27.760 why are you calling me? And he didn't say why, 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:29.880 Like I texted him and said is everything okay? And 0:06:29.920 --> 0:06:31.840 he's I'm like, I'm out of town, and he said, 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:33.719 no problem, I'll keep an eye on your house. And 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.880 I'm like, but you still haven't explained why you called 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.520 me on Saturday night. He never calls me. And then 0:06:39.839 --> 0:06:42.600 it turns out I found out from his wife that 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.839 he thought I was having the baby. And that's fine, 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.039 but why are you calling me? You think I'm having 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.200 the baby and I'm picking up a phone call from you, 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:51.920 like in between bushes, like. 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:56.159 No what After one of my sister's births, like some 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.880 casual friends just showed up at the hospital and were 0:06:59.080 --> 0:07:01.360 quickly turned away. My sister's like, are you out of 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.360 your fucking mind? We don't want to see you. We 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.480 go out to dinner twice a month. This is not 0:07:08.040 --> 0:07:10.080 a true friendship. I was actually obsessed with those friends 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.360 because the husband looked like Edward Norton, Oh, which was 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:15.600 a thing for me a decade or so ago. 0:07:15.760 --> 0:07:18.280 Wow, that's complicated with the American history acts of it all, 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:18.960 But as a. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.920 Joe, I had a joke about that that he looked 0:07:21.920 --> 0:07:24.400 the hottest. In the Nazi movie, I forgot the punchline, 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:29.520 but there was one for sure. Because I bought all 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.320 this gear of his and so then I had all 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:33.720 these buttons with him as a Nazi. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:34.360 Cool. 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:37.000 That just did it more for you, That just made you. 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.560 It was like more forbidden. Like but like the bad 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:40.960 guy in school. 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:43.760 No, the tattoo, it sucks. 0:07:44.120 --> 0:07:47.200 But yeah, I liked the muscles and there was an 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.120 epic sex scene in the start of that movie. 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.600 But I think the racism should have affected me more. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:59.120 But I also would rather This is controversial, but I 0:07:59.120 --> 0:08:02.760 would rather a cover up of a Nazi. 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.760 Tattoo than a giant Jew letter tattoo. What which is 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:07.360 fucked up? 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:09.240 Like if I met like a dude and he had 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.760 a giant hamsu on his body, I would be very 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.000 turned off, even though I do have Hebrew letters tattooed 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:14.720 on the back of my neck. 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.600 But you are really just an enigma wrapped in a riddle. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:23.120 Erica Jane, I mean, like what it's I don't know. 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:24.560 There's something about giant. 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:25.400 Oh. 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.160 Actually we have a friend, Noah has Jew letters on 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:29.840 top of his penis giant. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:32.280 But it says like I am the soul in the light. 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:33.520 I have to text him. 0:08:33.360 --> 0:08:36.320 Like he has a like and he's like like above 0:08:36.320 --> 0:08:40.000 his pubic bone, kind of yes over his stomach, like 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:43.400 an opposite tramp stamp, and it says like no thyself 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:46.600 and hebrew above an opposite tramp stamp is the best 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:50.800 way to call back that place. A reverse tramp stamp. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:55.920 Well, there's there snatch patch and vadge badge, because I 0:08:56.000 --> 0:08:56.960 have a badge badge. 0:08:57.040 --> 0:08:59.760 I've never heard of those words. You have a tattoo 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:01.880 right there over your lady parts. 0:09:02.200 --> 0:09:04.400 Yeah, I got it when I was sixteen in a 0:09:04.559 --> 0:09:05.480 person's apartment. 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:08.319 Oh wow, I've never seen that one. You wear high 0:09:08.320 --> 0:09:09.640 waisted bathing suits around me. 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:14.120 Yeah, I'll get naked more often. It's weird. 0:09:14.200 --> 0:09:16.080 I haven't seen it because you pee when we're on 0:09:16.120 --> 0:09:18.600 FaceTime all the time, so it is weird that I 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:19.280 haven't seen that. 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:20.600 Yeah. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:23.520 Sometimes I'll be calling her as I'm sitting down to 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.679 pee and it's like, could you not have waited a. 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:27.640 Can I get to consent first? Ask? 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:30.560 I'm gonna always say yes, but just you should get consent. 0:09:30.880 --> 0:09:32.200 And I get offended. 0:09:31.800 --> 0:09:33.480 When I'm talking on the phone and someone's like, well 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:34.319 I have to go to the bathroom. 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:35.079 I have to go, and. 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:39.160 I'm like I'll come with you, Like well, why are 0:09:39.200 --> 0:09:42.240 you hanging up on me? This doesn't have to end, 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:45.680 But what does have to end is us talking right now. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:47.120 I know, but I just wanted to say. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.079 We watched old seasons of New York Housewives on our trip, 0:09:50.280 --> 0:09:54.320 and like a fine wine, I mean, it never gets old. 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:57.400 Yeah, we watched the original Berkshires. We watched the Berkshire's 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.400 pre Drinda with Heather. Yeah, when Ramona said, is that 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:03.840 your house or your garage? She's such a nightmare. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:04.680 She is. 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:06.560 But also I learned from you guys that the women 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.240 keep shitting themselves on that show because they're on laxatives 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:10.400 for dieting purposes. 0:10:10.600 --> 0:10:13.040 Yeah, they're all like trapped in like nineteen eighty three. 0:10:13.440 --> 0:10:16.320 I didn't know that either, you know, but that's why 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:19.720 there's a rumor that Ramona shits during sex. They shot 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.040 on multiple vacations. They always blame like the local cuisine. 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.360 It's like, I've been to Columbia. The water's fine. Like, 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:28.560 you're not shitting your pants there a little tom tom 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.200 ache from I don't know, something that you're not used to, 0:10:31.280 --> 0:10:33.720 But I don't think you're shitting fully on the floor. 0:10:33.840 --> 0:10:35.960 That's because you're taking laxatives. Yeah. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:37.800 So I don't know if anyone else knew that, but 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:41.040 I like to learn that. Do we not have any 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:45.319 other palm Springs highlights? Except I fell? We watched Old Housewives. 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:47.840 I mean I ate Oreos, which was like great, No 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.920 one should buy oreos. Ever, once you pop, you can't stop. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.599 Oh well, I got us our tarot cards read. 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.680 Oh yeah, oh my god, that was on. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:57.839 I should give a shout out. I did this as 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.760 like it was our friend's birthday coming up. Her birthdays 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:01.760 actually today was her birthday coming up, so I did 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:03.120 it as sort of a birthday gift to her and 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.640 to all the girls. I got everybody like a zoom 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.640 tarot reading. And her name is Kristin Rand. She's a 0:11:08.679 --> 0:11:12.560 stand up comedian who does tarot readings, and she's so 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.000 fucking great and we're gonna put her link in the 0:11:15.240 --> 0:11:17.480 This was like a perfect You could just do this 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:19.400 for fun for yourself, or you could do it as 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:22.280 like a little group party thing. I love her and 0:11:22.320 --> 0:11:23.840 I'd love to give her a little shout out. 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:25.000 She was very good. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:28.679 A few of us left the casita with tears, so 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:29.679 that was well. 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.760 She gets to the real shit. She told me some 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.120 interesting stuff about my coming baby, but I'm not going 0:11:34.200 --> 0:11:36.000 to reveal it here. We'll see what happens once I 0:11:36.040 --> 0:11:36.600 have the baby. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:39.920 No, she was really good. That was a really nice 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.600 gift for us. And now here's different. 0:11:43.720 --> 0:11:48.680 Hold on and our friend mad trying to end it, Hannah, 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.160 I was gonna say, our friend Lane made a crab 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.600 hushpuppies that were Michelin's star level. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:57.280 Yeah, I mean the best hushpuppies, not dry at all. 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.920 He's a talent. There was a delicious dipping sauce with it. 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.640 Oh my god, so good. We ate well on that trip. 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:07.719 But now let's dive into today's episode because it's a 0:12:07.760 --> 0:12:15.160 good one. All right, Let's get into today's episode, which 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:20.120 is Vulnerable. That is season four, episode three, so kind 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.200 of an early guy. We open on a couple of 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:25.680 sleep in their New York apartment, being awoken by someone 0:12:25.880 --> 0:12:29.600 rummaging outside in their kitchen. The guy tells his wife 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:31.640 call mine one one. But this episode is so old 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.760 that they actually just have a cordless phone and it's 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.480 not on the cradle, so people aren't fully addicted to 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.880 addicted to their cell phones quite yet. He grabs a gun, 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:41.960 she grabs a bat. They head to this kid to 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:44.960 their kitchen, where they find this sweet old lady rummaging 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:47.360 through the fridge and she's like, is that you itsy? 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:51.920 My favorite part is the woman goes, who's itsy? And 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.800 then the guy says, who's this? Like I just love 0:12:55.880 --> 0:12:56.840 that so much. 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.160 The chettle bit of comedy. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:13:00.720 It's a woman here, yeah. 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.360 Which we recently have discovered that the man is Bobby 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.400 Kelly with hair, who is a New York City comedian 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:09.560 that both of us have I think worked with tangentially. 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:10.720 He's very funny. 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.199 Yeah, very funny guy. Wait, so actually. 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.200 Bobby Kelly Sorry, that was Bobby Kelly hair. 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.880 Yeah, I checked out his IMDb. 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:18.800 Oh my god. 0:13:19.200 --> 0:13:22.400 Yeah. Well wow. So now we've got Benson and Sabler 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:24.520 on the scene. They don't know this old lady's name 0:13:24.559 --> 0:13:26.640 because she's seen Isle. Whether she knows it or is 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.520 withholding it, we don't really know yet. She climbed through 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:32.319 the window of this house. Olivia walks in. We've got 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.720 a very short dude. It's like a little longer than 0:13:34.760 --> 0:13:37.520 her pixie, but I would say it's a traditional quote 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:41.160 unquote boy haircut very short. And then she goes right 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:44.760 into like very sweet. Olivia Benson, caretaker mode, tries to 0:13:44.800 --> 0:13:46.880 get Granny Doe to open up, which is what they've 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.800 been calling her, Granny Dough. She just keeps saying that 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.520 she needs to talk to itsy. Benson pretends that she's 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:55.240 actually spoken to Itsy, and then the woman opens up 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.880 and confesses to being raped. Olivia pulls down the woman's 0:13:58.960 --> 0:14:01.040 night gown a little bit in the and they discover, 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:06.080 like pretty horribly that she has about nine cigarette burns 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.360 all over her chest, and Stabler goes someone used her 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.480 for an ash tray, and then we're out of the 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:12.040 cold open. 0:14:12.240 --> 0:14:15.000 I'm also thinking I might get Granny Dough tattooed on 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:15.480 my body. 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:18.320 I really like it. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.000 Just unidentified old ladies. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.120 Let's Belisa trigger promise. 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:26.520 Well one time, I'm actually glad I didn't do it, 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.040 but I was gonna get Lucy Lucy Apple juice tattooed 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:30.560 from Beverly Hills, and I'm glad I didn't. 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.160 He Yeah, I'm really really glad you didn't do that. 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.760 I was talking to you about that, and I think 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.920 we all made the right decision. So we're at the 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.920 hospital and the woman treating Bess is a beautiful young 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:49.280 doctor who tells them that basically this woman has no abrasions, 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.280 no fluids, but they did do a rape kit. They 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:53.240 have to wait for the results. They said she had 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.000 twelve raw burns on her breasts and genitals. I didn't 0:14:57.040 --> 0:14:58.640 catch that the first time I watched that episode. I 0:14:58.680 --> 0:15:01.360 watched it a couple times and oh my god, so awful. 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.360 The doctor says she probably has Alzheimer's, so no short 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.160 term memory, and she doesn't think that she'll come around 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:10.320 with any more details about what's happened to her. Benson 0:15:10.400 --> 0:15:12.920 is a shock that Granny Doe hasn't been admitted to 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:16.040 the hospital, and the doctor is essentially like, I'm triaging her, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.480 like she doesn't need immediate treatment, she needs long term care. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:20.640 And she also has a very short haircut, so it's 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.600 kind of like the Battle of the Pixie cuts these two. 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.440 They bring this old woman back to the precinct and 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:28.200 try to talk to her. 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:28.520 There. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.240 She's confused and accuses Olivia of stealing her purse, which 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.720 I think is kind of a cute moment. The woman 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.160 eventually begins to recount her rape, and she says that 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:41.200 the man who did it stays in her house because 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:44.240 he lost all his money investing. He drinks every night. 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:47.640 Then she gets kind of lost mid conversation, starts eating 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.600 a cracker and is like, what happened? Like you know, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.600 it's sad. And then Munch weighs in and is like 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.320 when the steel trap starts to rust call Kavorkian and 0:15:56.360 --> 0:16:00.760 I sees, like, consider that done. So these two freaking 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:03.400 these I don't want to see Lucy and Affla. 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:03.800 Who are they? 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:03.960 Like? 0:16:03.960 --> 0:16:07.120 Like, stat freaking freaking fac is that the term? 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:13.360 I don't know Tom and Jerry, so h, Munch and 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.920 Finn head to h They meet this nerdy gay archivist. 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:19.440 I mean he doesn't say he's gay, but he's really 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.800 into Census Bureau information and they track down the family 0:16:23.840 --> 0:16:25.320 who used to live in that apartment, and it's a 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.160 family with three little girls, Lilith, Isabelle, and Milly. They 0:16:28.200 --> 0:16:31.040 go speak to Millie. She's out gardening. She says both 0:16:31.080 --> 0:16:34.360 of her sisters have passed away. But then when Benson 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.600 mentions the name Itsy, she remembers that her sister Isabelle 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.800 and her best friend Bess McIntyre went by Itsy and bitsy, 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.120 which is so cute. I think She also reveals that 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.520 Bess used to climb into the window in the middle 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.280 of their night at their apartment to kind of escape 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:51.840 from her quote unquote funny uncle. Which I've heard that 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.760 phrase before, and it's the it's very unfunny, but just 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:57.400 an uncle who was molesting her. 0:16:57.880 --> 0:17:00.680 Yeah, there's like memes I see all the time where 0:17:00.680 --> 0:17:03.800 it's like, instead of telling your daughter to put on 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:06.320 clothes or to stay away from funny uncle, don't fucking 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.399 invite him into your home. Like right, reject the funny uncle. 0:17:09.560 --> 0:17:09.919 Sure. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.520 Back at the precinct, they speak to the old woman 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.119 and they confirm that she is Best. She admits that 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:19.239 the rapist she was referring to was her uncle and 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:21.440 that he lost all his money in nineteen twenty nine 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:24.400 when everybody did. So now we're basically getting the picture 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.760 that she was molested as a child, and that's what 0:17:27.800 --> 0:17:32.000 she's been recounting. But you know, obviously those cigarette burns 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:34.199 are not from nineteen twenty nine, so she, you know, 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:36.000 she needs to we need to figure out where those 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:36.440 came from. 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:38.320 So Benson's like, who's hurting you now? 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:41.600 And unfortunately this best just loses the threat of the 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.000 conversation again. She just can't really keep up. A blessing 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:48.040 from Captain Craigan is that the rape kit comes back negative. 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:51.800 Long comes in having just spoken to Bess Love his 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.280 diagnoses all the time, always waiting for Houonk to open 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:56.399 his mouth and tell us what's going on. He says. 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.240 The attack that just happened to her recently triggered the 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:00.879 memories of her childhood assault. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.520 So she went looking for her childhood. 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:06.080 Friend and they're like, well, who is she running from now? 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:08.879 And Huang says, I doubt she'll ever be able to 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.320 tell you. So the good news is her rapist uncle 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:14.440 was arrested and sent to jail for five counts of 0:18:14.520 --> 0:18:16.760 rape and was killed in president in nineteen fifty seven, 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:20.600 so it's not like he's still hanging around. Huang says, 0:18:20.600 --> 0:18:23.320 we're looking for a sadist, someone who enjoys the torture, 0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:25.520 and he's not sure if it's sexual or anger based. 0:18:26.000 --> 0:18:29.560 It's somebody who's young, socially stunted, and chooses old women 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.520 because of feelings of inadequacy. So Finn looks up Best 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:38.280 Is Social Security and finds the assisted living facility where 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:42.040 the checks are going is called Jubilee Towers. So obviously 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:46.119 they head to Jubilee Towers. Olivia is like pretty upscale 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.359 for a nursing home, and then the employee swoops in 0:18:49.440 --> 0:18:51.520 and corrects her and says, it's not a nursing home, 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:56.080 it's an assisted living facility. This is Hope Garrett, assistant administrator, 0:18:56.400 --> 0:19:01.320 played by legendary actress Mary kay Place. I love her Upset. Yeah, 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.160 I'd been watching her since I was a kid. She's 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:03.840 so funny. 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:07.200 She plays Maria Bamford's mom and Lady Dynamite. Go look 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:07.760 up her work. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.640 She's so so great. She tells them the bus isn't 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.120 missing from their facility. She was released two weeks ago 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.000 to the custody of her son Joe Sherman. 0:19:15.280 --> 0:19:17.800 Sorry, I was in like a trance because I was like, 0:19:17.800 --> 0:19:19.320 where did I just see her? 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:20.800 And you know, I got very obsessed. 0:19:20.880 --> 0:19:24.399 Last week with Bravos Scripted showed the Impostors and she's 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:24.679 on that. 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:31.320 She is in that. Yeah, Okay, that was thrilling. Whatever. 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.640 Another Lea's the trigger wreck. 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:36.960 They come at you, They come at you from anywhere, 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:38.320 and you just got to be ready to grab them. 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:40.280 Well, what I loved about it is it is like 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:44.119 suspense and undercover and spies and grifting. 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:45.520 But it's casual. 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.280 It's not like as intense as like The Americans or something. 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:52.600 It's like a Bravo version of the Americans. 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.800 Yes, so it like gave me the suspense I needed, 0:19:55.920 --> 0:19:58.879 but also like the silliness and like kind of I 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:03.640 wouldn't say bad writing, but because I want a season three, 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:04.040 you know. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.600 Yeah, I love how you tweeted when a season three 0:20:06.600 --> 0:20:08.639 coming out, and everyone tweeted you that show was canceled 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:13.640 three years ago. Okay, so Benson is stable to show 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:16.359 up at the home of Joe Sherman, Bess's son. The 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.160 super lets them in. He's got a beeper and he's 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:22.560 got a lot of information. Okay, He's like, this is 0:20:22.600 --> 0:20:25.199 not his apartment, it's best's apartment. It's rent controlled. It's 0:20:25.200 --> 0:20:27.760 three hundred fifty dollars a month. Mister Sherman is an 0:20:27.800 --> 0:20:31.280 off again, on again smoker. Since she's been back at 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.880 his house, the repomen have stopped coming and the deliveries 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.480 have started. Here's a big screen TV, a couch chairs, 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.680 media center. There's a professional camera on a tripod that's 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.399 just I don't know, ready to go in case someone 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.040 gets the mood to photograph. But so anyway, the super 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.040 knows a lot of information. He's one of my favorite 0:20:47.119 --> 0:20:49.520 kinds of characters, just like my super in New York 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:51.359 would have known nothing about me, and they're always like, 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.399 what's their relationship? Like it's like a little up and down. 0:20:54.520 --> 0:20:56.280 They always kind of know what's going on. 0:20:56.680 --> 0:20:59.080 I mean in New York, I had full on carbon 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.520 monoxide poisonings time and time again, and my super said, 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:04.280 how dare you call nine one one? 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:07.919 You're a dumb bitch. That's what my experience in New 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:08.520 York was like. 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:15.160 Yeah, but Stabler's going through all the guy's stuff CD, DVD, 0:21:15.400 --> 0:21:18.680 stereo video, gott a TiVo, which is like supposed to 0:21:18.720 --> 0:21:21.240 be impressive. It's very two thousand and two. In this apartment, 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:25.560 they find Bess's room. There are restraints on her bed, 0:21:25.640 --> 0:21:30.679 which is I mean, just creepy. Joe Sherman then barges in. 0:21:30.800 --> 0:21:33.520 He's played by Jay Thomas, who's been in a ton 0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:35.960 ton of stuff. He's won he won an Emmy for 0:21:36.160 --> 0:21:39.119 a character he played on Murphy Brown. And he just 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.000 has like that really great like slimeball look sort of 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:44.760 like slick Rick kind of look. He doesn't even know 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:46.600 his mom is going. He's like, where is she? Like, 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.960 he doesn't even know she's gone missing. Meanwhile, she's been 0:21:50.000 --> 0:21:52.399 to like six locations with Benson and Stabler and he 0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:55.080 has no idea his mom's even gone. They bring Joe 0:21:55.119 --> 0:21:58.120 to the precinct. He says he doesn't smoke. They show 0:21:58.160 --> 0:22:00.359 him photos of his mom's bruise wrists, and he's like, 0:22:00.440 --> 0:22:02.720 she's never bruised before, And he says he uses the 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.359 restraints because she wanders that night. I know my grandfather 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:09.600 had Alzheimer's and my grandmother had to build a fence 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:12.119 around the property to keep him from wandering off. So 0:22:12.240 --> 0:22:14.080 you do have to take precautions, but I don't know 0:22:14.080 --> 0:22:16.439 that restraints. I don't know what the moral and ethical 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:19.119 implications of restraints are, but it doesn't feel right. He 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:21.679 denies being the one who burned her and says he 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.240 didn't leave her chained up all day. He says the 0:22:24.240 --> 0:22:26.760 housekeeper comes in the morning, makes her breakfast, wakes her up, 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.080 takes care of her. But Maria didn't come or call, 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:32.520 and he says he pulled her out of Jubilee Towers 0:22:32.520 --> 0:22:34.639 a couple weeks earlier because they were draining her she 0:22:34.720 --> 0:22:37.000 was paying seven k a month, and I guess if 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:39.159 she pays three fifty a month at home. He's like, 0:22:39.440 --> 0:22:43.440 that's sixty seven hundred dollars that could be going into 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:44.240 my pocket, you know. 0:22:44.359 --> 0:22:46.360 And I know seven grand is a lot, but they 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:50.520 probably feed them and all the medicine and their activities. 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.720 It kind of seemed like a normal price too. 0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:53.879 Yeah, I don't know. 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:56.520 Yeah, I don't know the prices of nursing homes and 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.399 assists of living facilities, but I do know that they 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:02.080 can get pricey, especially in manhatt Like like anything in Manhattan, 0:23:02.080 --> 0:23:03.199 it's going to be more, you know. 0:23:03.440 --> 0:23:03.960 Yeah. 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:07.600 So Joe's like, I'm leaving and I'm taking my mother 0:23:07.640 --> 0:23:10.760 with me, and Benson's like, my ass you are. So 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:14.879 she pushes Cabot to find a charge. She's like endangerment something. 0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:17.920 So Cabot gets a protective order to place Best back 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.400 in Jubilee Towers and also freezes all his mother's accounts 0:23:21.400 --> 0:23:24.640 and assets. So Joe's like pissed because obviously his mom 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.919 is his cash cow. They check in with the housekeeper Maria. 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.479 I have to say, this episode has a thousand scenes. 0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:32.520 So I try to stay with us, like they literally 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:36.080 go to so many locations full tank of gas used 0:23:36.080 --> 0:23:38.960 on this episode with the NYPD. So they check it 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.760 on the housekeeper Maria. She said that she showed up 0:23:41.800 --> 0:23:43.720 and then no one was there, so he assumed that 0:23:43.840 --> 0:23:46.040 he had taken his mother to the doctor or something. 0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:49.119 And you know, they ask about the burn. She says, no, 0:23:49.200 --> 0:23:52.040 that's not something I've ever seen, but that he does 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.199 speak harshly to her when he gets stressed out, and 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:56.800 that this past Monday, he was very stressed out because 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:58.600 he was having a party and everything needed to be 0:23:58.640 --> 0:23:59.639 perfect for the party. 0:24:00.359 --> 0:24:01.680 Let's get into the party. 0:24:02.160 --> 0:24:05.199 Benson and Stabler go visit Joe at his office for 0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:07.159 who the fuck knows incorporated. I mean, I don't know. 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:10.240 It's like this random office, Like he has a secretary. 0:24:10.280 --> 0:24:11.960 You have no idea what he sells or what he does. 0:24:12.320 --> 0:24:15.000 He's pissed that his funds have been shut down. He's like, 0:24:15.040 --> 0:24:16.639 this is a startup business and my mom is a 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:19.159 key investor. He refuses to give the names of his 0:24:19.160 --> 0:24:21.680 investors who are at the party, like even though one 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.359 of these people could be the person who burned his 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:27.919 mother's genitals, He's like, I'm not telling you who it 0:24:28.000 --> 0:24:30.639 was they are giving me money for my new business idea. 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:32.240 What an insane person? 0:24:32.680 --> 0:24:35.280 They think maybe, oh maybe Best came out and embarrassed 0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:37.400 him at the party or did something that caused him 0:24:37.400 --> 0:24:38.400 to punish her. 0:24:38.800 --> 0:24:41.120 But you know he's not given up any information. 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.720 So we cut to Munch and fin a great scene 0:24:44.720 --> 0:24:47.479 of Munch and Finn just digging through trash from Joe's 0:24:47.520 --> 0:24:48.720 place in an alley. 0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:51.400 You know, I just can't. This is the most far 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:53.800 fetched thing, and I love it. There's no way fucking 0:24:54.000 --> 0:24:57.679 iced tea is getting into a garbage cam and digging 0:24:57.720 --> 0:24:59.639 through trash and does no one pick up the tra 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:02.000 It's like, do cops do this? I do want to 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:05.439 know how often they are fully going into dumpster dives. 0:25:05.600 --> 0:25:08.200 Well, this is what's crazy. They're going through it. And 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:11.320 Munch goes, oh, we got lick magazine, we got a 0:25:11.359 --> 0:25:13.600 hair dye for men, and some kind of anal ointment, 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:15.879 and then Finn goes, will you just keep looking for 0:25:15.920 --> 0:25:19.280 the guest book? The guest book, Like I had a 0:25:19.280 --> 0:25:21.879 guest book at my wedding and like twenty people signed it. 0:25:21.960 --> 0:25:24.960 Like guest books are so antiquated, and if you had one, 0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:28.000 would you throw it away? In the trash the night 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.520 of the party. What a weird thing. That's just such 0:25:30.520 --> 0:25:32.840 a weird piece of writing that got put in. 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:35.679 I am going to add trash police. That's how they 0:25:35.720 --> 0:25:37.760 caught the Golden State killer. They got a Kleenex out 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:39.359 of his trash can to get his DNA. 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:41.240 But it was just a trash can. 0:25:42.040 --> 0:25:44.040 Well, no, it is trash can behind Oh not a 0:25:44.080 --> 0:25:45.320 dumpster for a full building. 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:47.960 Yeah, they're not going into like they're treating it like 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:49.960 a hot tub. I feel well, I guess. 0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.439 Also, Maria told them I threw away three bags with 0:25:52.520 --> 0:25:55.119 yellow ties. So they're looking for these specific three bags 0:25:55.119 --> 0:25:56.640 of trash. So it's a little bit. It's not a 0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:59.359 full dumpster dive. It's like they're looking for these three 0:25:59.359 --> 0:26:00.240 bags of trash. 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:02.280 So but and you would think they would put on 0:26:02.359 --> 0:26:05.520 like a hazmat suit, like some little booties. They're truly 0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:08.040 like he's in a leather jacket. Yeah, there was just 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:09.960 no prep for the garbage dive. 0:26:10.680 --> 0:26:13.800 It's just wild my issues that they're looking for a 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:15.360 guest book anyway, and. 0:26:15.400 --> 0:26:17.520 In New York is it looked like it was an alley. 0:26:17.560 --> 0:26:19.760 I've never seen a dumpster in my life in New York. 0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:22.000 No, that's so true, and there are no there really 0:26:22.000 --> 0:26:24.800 aren't alleys in New York. There are alleys in Chicago. 0:26:25.200 --> 0:26:27.640 And that used to always kill me because I told 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:29.720 you the one time I ever saw lawn Order being filmed, 0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:31.320 it was trial by jury. It was outside of my 0:26:31.320 --> 0:26:34.639 apartment and a couple doors down for me, there was 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.840 a little space between two apartments, but not anywhere that 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.879 anyone would ever go unless you want, like going to 0:26:39.920 --> 0:26:42.320 just throw trash away. And they were like pulling a 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:43.960 suspect out of there, and I was like, I love 0:26:43.960 --> 0:26:45.400 how they have to just find. 0:26:45.119 --> 0:26:46.960 Alleys because there just aren't a lot of alleys in 0:26:46.960 --> 0:26:47.320 New York. 0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.320 Well, because one of the hardest things moving to New 0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.560 York from Chicago is I am a frequent. 0:26:51.200 --> 0:26:54.560 Pierre and alleys are very helpful for that. 0:26:54.640 --> 0:26:56.159 Yeah, if you pee in New York, you got to 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.120 pee in between cars and you just got to get 0:26:57.880 --> 0:27:02.879 to her. Yep. I'm a very outdoor, big outdoor pier. 0:27:02.920 --> 0:27:03.320 Okay. 0:27:03.560 --> 0:27:06.640 So yeah. So then as they're going through the garbage, 0:27:06.960 --> 0:27:10.679 Munch finds like a big, like newspaper wrapped bunch of 0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:13.440 cigarette butts. I can like smell this scene when I'm 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:17.600 watching it like just old butts garbage, and so that's 0:27:17.640 --> 0:27:20.240 like the sort of jackpot find that they get. Now 0:27:20.240 --> 0:27:22.960 we're at the forensic tech's office. She is a very 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:24.560 strange person. I don't know if she's ever been on 0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:27.600 the show before. She has a very sultry voice and delivery, 0:27:27.920 --> 0:27:30.159 and she's a forensic tech, but you can tell she 0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.920 probably does Broadway. I don't think this is how lab 0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:34.760 techs talk, but maybe I don't know enough of them. 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.679 She's like, I've been testing your cigarette butts. 0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:40.399 Like she just has a very like she's in a 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:41.880 murder mystery or something. 0:27:42.000 --> 0:27:46.919 Yeah, exactly is in a murder mystery, but very clue. 0:27:46.920 --> 0:27:48.879 It's very clue. So they think they're not going to 0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:52.400 find anything, and sexy tech is like, not really, ninhydront 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.920 and shows them how she sprays this stuff called ninhydron 0:27:55.040 --> 0:27:58.359 on the butts and it can pull fingerprints. So now 0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.359 Finn and Mount are at a car dealership questioning a 0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:03.840 salesman who was at the party. He basically says I 0:28:03.880 --> 0:28:07.080 never saw the mother, but he spills that Joe is 0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.159 hawking a horse racing program that's his new get rich 0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:12.560 quick scheme. He's also had like a Lama ranch and 0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:16.320 all these other crazy ideas, Like his ideas are habitual failures. 0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:18.760 And he said that, oh, his mother was his principal 0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:20.920 backer until two years ago. She caught him off, Joe 0:28:21.000 --> 0:28:23.840 went broke. She moves back in. Suddenly he has the money. 0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:24.120 Again. 0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:26.400 We've already kind of established this, so I don't really 0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.600 know the point of this scene. Like they could have 0:28:28.680 --> 0:28:30.400 just said, hey, we talked to a guy who told 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.240 us this, and it would have been like saved you 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.720 setting up a full scene at a car dealership. But whatever, 0:28:36.680 --> 0:28:39.280 everybody needs those scenes for their reels. As I've said before, 0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.280 Joe shows up at the precinct. He's pissed at the 0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:44.840 that the cops are going around talking all his investors. 0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:46.760 He's like, my investors are pulling out. You guys are 0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:49.240 ruining me. And they're like, we pulled your financials and 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:50.920 he's like, the only thing I take from my mom 0:28:51.000 --> 0:28:53.240 is rent and he's like what about all Olivia's like 0:28:53.240 --> 0:28:55.720 what about all these checks made out to cash? And 0:28:55.840 --> 0:28:58.240 Joe looks at them and goes Andy and they're like, 0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.680 who's Andy your partner or whatever. He's like, no, my 0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:04.040 college dropout son. He's like him and his deadbeat friend 0:29:04.120 --> 0:29:06.320 showed up uninvited to the party and he needed a 0:29:06.320 --> 0:29:09.120 place to sober up. They go to New Jersey to 0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.440 question Andy. This scene is so funny. Andy is shirtless 0:29:12.480 --> 0:29:15.320 on his bed, looking like he's having a seizure. But 0:29:15.360 --> 0:29:17.920 I guess he's just listening to music. He's just banging 0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:20.800 his hands on the bed and listening to rock and roll. 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.360 I don't know what's going on, and so they obviously 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.320 like turn up the music really loud on his headphones 0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:27.280 to get his attention because he doesn't notice two full 0:29:27.320 --> 0:29:30.320 strangers have walked into his room and they're like, we 0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:31.920 heard your college drop out. He's like, is that what 0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:33.560 my dad told you? Of course I had to drop 0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:35.800 out of college when my dad drained my college fund 0:29:35.800 --> 0:29:38.360 that my grandma set up for me. And he's sort 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:40.120 of trying to be like, my grandma's the only one 0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.000 that cares about me. I love her. I would never 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.720 hurt her. But he does admit that my grandma gives 0:29:45.760 --> 0:29:48.200 me presents or whatever, which I think is referring to 0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:48.880 these checks. 0:29:48.960 --> 0:29:51.440 Listen, that's what grandparents are for. I'm sorry, it's to 0:29:51.440 --> 0:29:53.240 give your grandkids money in presious. 0:29:52.920 --> 0:29:54.840 Sure, but I don't think when your grandma seen now 0:29:54.880 --> 0:29:56.560 you go in and make her sign checks to you, 0:29:56.600 --> 0:29:58.560 like five times a month, that's a little bit much. 0:29:58.720 --> 0:29:58.960 Listen. 0:29:59.000 --> 0:30:01.400 I'm on Andy's side. I don't think he's pushing her 0:30:01.440 --> 0:30:03.600 to it. I think she would want to do this. 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:06.760 Okay. I like Andy, she. 0:30:06.800 --> 0:30:09.080 Doesn't even know her own name when the cops come 0:30:09.120 --> 0:30:10.800 to her, and you think that the son should just 0:30:10.840 --> 0:30:14.240 be giving five times monthly gifts. Okay, we disagree, and 0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:16.760 that's what's going to happen. It's okay, uh okay. So 0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.040 they're like, what about the guy that you came to 0:30:19.080 --> 0:30:22.320 the party with And they're like, He's like, oh hol 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:24.840 And they're like does he smoke? 0:30:24.960 --> 0:30:25.160 Yeah? 0:30:25.200 --> 0:30:28.240 He does. He doesn't know if Hal was ever alone 0:30:28.240 --> 0:30:30.000 with his grandma because he kind of passed out a 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:31.600 little bit. And it turns out How. 0:30:31.840 --> 0:30:33.960 Works at Jubilee Towers. 0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:39.440 Baby, So the next scene is not great. We open 0:30:39.560 --> 0:30:42.440 up on How fighting with a sad old wheelchair bount 0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:44.960 man and he's screaming at him like leave me alone, 0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.720 and Benson and Stablers show up and the old man's 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:53.400 like he's trying to kill me. They question How, and 0:30:53.440 --> 0:30:56.800 How's like this guy's a troublemaker. Like, there's so many troublemakers. 0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:58.280 I got a lot of work to do. And they're like, 0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.560 what about Best And they're like, Noah, Bess is a dream, 0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:04.040 he says. And we see her outside just in the courtyard, 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:08.880 chatting with Munch and Finn and Hal denies doing anything 0:31:08.880 --> 0:31:10.760 to her Best and he's like, I gotta go. I've 0:31:10.800 --> 0:31:12.880 got lives to save. It's like, you are an orderly 0:31:12.920 --> 0:31:14.320 at a nursing home. I mean, I'm sure you have 0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:18.720 the opportunity to save a life, but you are not God. Okay. 0:31:18.760 --> 0:31:20.880 So at the top of act three, they're speaking to 0:31:21.000 --> 0:31:25.160 Hope Mary Kay Place MKP about Hal's record. He's worked 0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.640 there a year, he's only had one serious complaint. Who 0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.360 is mister Jackson who accused Hall of trying to suffocate him. 0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:34.640 But mister Jackson is senile. We investigated, we didn't find anything. 0:31:34.720 --> 0:31:36.520 And they're like, why would you hire Hall? He like, 0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:39.320 does not seem like a people person, And she's like, 0:31:39.360 --> 0:31:41.160 I mean it's a very low paying job. Not a 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:45.720 lot of people are into wiping adults butts for you know, 0:31:46.680 --> 0:31:47.520 their profession. 0:31:47.640 --> 0:31:49.240 Minimum wage, Yeah. 0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.200 Minimum wage. So Finn and Munch go talk to mister Jackson, 0:31:52.480 --> 0:31:53.760 and he seems pretty with it. 0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:55.600 I will say he's amazing. 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.479 He's painting, and when Munch and Finn walk up to him, 0:31:58.480 --> 0:32:02.080 he goes, you the nude models, I amazing. He says 0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.400 Hal is a serial killer, that he pinches him all 0:32:04.440 --> 0:32:06.840 the time, and that so one time mister Jackson bit 0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:09.280 him and how cut off his oxygen and said, you're 0:32:09.280 --> 0:32:13.320 gonna die, old man. Then he goes a little bit 0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.720 left and tells them that Hal stopped doing it because 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:17.719 the clan rooms the hall at night, and calls them 0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.840 the sheet people. So we get that he's got moments 0:32:20.840 --> 0:32:23.520 of lucidity, like I truly believe what he says about Hal. 0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.840 But then he veers into thinking that the ghosts of 0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.040 the clan are in his room hauls at night. 0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.920 So but no one can say that they're not. I 0:32:30.920 --> 0:32:32.640 guess that's true. I guess that's true. 0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.000 We cannot be sure that clansmen are not roaming the 0:32:35.000 --> 0:32:36.400 halls of the ghosts. 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:40.880 We can't just deny that there's ghosts chasing You're right. 0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:42.720 I don't want to be a ghost denier. You're right, 0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.680 you're right. The next scene, we're at this beauty parlor, 0:32:45.720 --> 0:32:49.720 we get these funny too old ladies gossiping. They're very 0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.800 funny and cute in New Yorky. And then this one 0:32:52.880 --> 0:32:54.800 lady explains that when she woke up after she had 0:32:54.840 --> 0:32:57.160 had surgery, so she's like, we get the idea that 0:32:57.160 --> 0:32:59.040 she's been a little bit doped up from her surgery. 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.920 She thought she was being sofcated she started clawing and 0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:04.800 then it stopped, and then hal was standing there scratched 0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.520 and bleeding, and then he said, oh, no, you're hallucinating. 0:33:07.600 --> 0:33:12.600 So that's sketchy. So they basically are they're painting this 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:15.960 picture of how now at the precinct where they're like, 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:19.600 he pinches residents, he hides their dentures. All the victims 0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.760 are doped up or senile, so he's obviously picking and 0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:26.239 choosing who he's messing with. And then Cabot shows up 0:33:26.280 --> 0:33:29.400 with this suit that was a negligence claim against Jubilee 0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:32.800 Towers for ten million dollars. It was settled with an NDA, 0:33:32.960 --> 0:33:35.880 and everyone at Jubilee Towers is named in the suit, 0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:39.000 probably including Hope, including how everybody we've met. 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:41.040 So far, Hope, and how seems like a sitcom? 0:33:41.840 --> 0:33:46.880 Yeah, that's true. A psychotic A psychotic sitcom set at 0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.720 a nursing home. Dalia Brown is the name of the 0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:51.920 woman who died in the suit, and Cabot is already 0:33:51.960 --> 0:33:55.040 working on an exhamation order, So right away we're getting 0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:59.200 a dug up body. They exhumed the body. Warner's doing 0:33:59.200 --> 0:34:02.280 her things. She's like, the skin is in perfect condition. Unfortunately, 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.760 I didn't really know this about undertaking or embalming. Is 0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.600 like they flush out all your blood and replace it 0:34:09.600 --> 0:34:11.520 with formaldehyde. I guess I kind of knew that. I 0:34:11.560 --> 0:34:12.439 just didn't know all your blood. 0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:12.800 Did you? 0:34:12.920 --> 0:34:13.040 Now? 0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:15.680 Watch Six Feet Under? No, I need to watch it. 0:34:15.760 --> 0:34:17.239 I know, I know. Everybody tells me it's like the 0:34:17.280 --> 0:34:20.400 greatest show on Earth. My sister's obsessed. But that takes 0:34:20.440 --> 0:34:23.200 all blood toxicology out of play now because her blood 0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:27.279 is gone. She checks for other toxicology. Nothing's there. And 0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:30.799 the death certificate said cardiac arrest, which she says is 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.480 what Emmy's put. We put that when we really don't 0:34:33.480 --> 0:34:35.880 know what happened, but we don't suspect foul play. But 0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:38.400 we heard in our episode of Lost Traveler that sometimes 0:34:38.440 --> 0:34:40.239 they don't even put that. Remember, there was a person 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:42.000 that died and they just didn't even have anything, so 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.320 I thought that was interesting. Melinda did notice a puncture 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.520 wound on the woman's arm that was not noted in 0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:49.640 the report and was like a fresh puncture wound, so 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:55.359 good ie. Elliott and Olivia are back talking to Mary 0:34:55.440 --> 0:34:58.920 kay Place about how they settled with Dalia's family. They 0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:03.640 checked her records and her last meal was delivered by 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:08.520 somebody with the initials hs hal Shipley. And as they're 0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:11.239 waiting for Hope to give them more information, there's a 0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:15.040 code blue and there's this actress who goes quick get 0:35:15.040 --> 0:35:17.839 the crash cart. Really bad, sorry, really bad extra work. 0:35:17.840 --> 0:35:20.120 I'm sorry if that's somebody's aunt or grandma or something, 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.160 but that was not great. And it's room four ten, 0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:26.560 which is Bess's room. They go to Bess's room. Hope 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:29.040 is leaving the room and she's all flustered and she's like, 0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:31.960 you were right. It was Hell. I saw like. I 0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:33.759 called him into my office after I spoke to you, 0:35:33.800 --> 0:35:36.239 I fired him. He was furious and he stormed out. 0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.359 I was worried about Best, so I came to check 0:35:38.400 --> 0:35:41.120 on her. I saw how leaving the room and Bess 0:35:41.200 --> 0:35:46.719 was just low pulse struggling, so I started CPR on her. Olivia, 0:35:46.840 --> 0:35:49.440 as they're wheeling, bess Out notices that she has a 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:52.359 fresh needle mark on her arm. All the elements are 0:35:52.400 --> 0:35:55.839 coming together, So they track down How while he's taking 0:35:55.920 --> 0:35:58.719 a smoke break and ask him to account for his 0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.440 whereabouts for the last fifteen minutes. And he's like, I 0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.319 was in a stock room taking inventory, Like he has 0:36:04.440 --> 0:36:06.560 no he's not sweating this at all. 0:36:06.800 --> 0:36:08.520 Now I feel I get the vibe from him that 0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:10.000 his parents didn't believe in him. 0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:13.600 Yes, that's very very that seems very accurate. And he 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:16.160 either like come down for questioning to the station and 0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:18.920 he's like, am I under arrest? Then no, and then 0:36:19.040 --> 0:36:21.399 Stabor just like kicks his chair and he's like, okay, 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.919 I'll come. What like, okay, you were right, you don't 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.399 have to go. And then I wrote in my notes 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:29.960 Olivia grabs his butt. But what I mean is Olivia 0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.200 takes his cigarette butt that he throws out, so she 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:38.440 grabs that for you know, fingerprints, DNA, etc. How's fingerprint 0:36:38.480 --> 0:36:40.280 is a match for one of the butts at the party. 0:36:40.880 --> 0:36:42.920 And then they say to him, but how many butts 0:36:42.960 --> 0:36:45.919 had seared flesh on the end. But we actually found 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:49.440 out earlier from the Sexy Csu tech that all flesh 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:51.839 would have been burnt off the cigarette because cigarettes burn 0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:54.880 at like eight hundred degrees or something crazy, so there 0:36:54.880 --> 0:36:56.880 wouldn't have been any flesh. But they're just bluffing this 0:36:56.920 --> 0:36:59.839 skuy and I love it because they're like iced. He goes, 0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:03.200 there's not any flesh on these cigarettes, and Craigan goes oops, 0:37:04.840 --> 0:37:09.920 just a great Craigan moment. Cop games, so they're like 0:37:10.080 --> 0:37:13.440 that sucks. No confession, no plea bargain. So then Holse 0:37:13.440 --> 0:37:15.640 starts to just sort of like, you know, give it 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:19.120 all up. He admits to burning Bess. He said Andy 0:37:19.120 --> 0:37:21.000 owed him money, and they're like for what. He's like, 0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:23.080 nothing to do with this, and the cops just let 0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:26.759 that go okay. So he's like, I can't. I kept 0:37:26.760 --> 0:37:30.239 seeing Andy getting money from Grandma Bess, like pulling out 0:37:30.280 --> 0:37:32.439 the checks, and so he thought he would go back 0:37:32.440 --> 0:37:35.240 in and try it. When he did, she yells rape, 0:37:35.320 --> 0:37:36.759 just like she used to do at the home when 0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:39.840 he'd help dress her, which is obviously a response to 0:37:39.880 --> 0:37:43.000 her childhood trauma as well. So he goes over to 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:45.600 quiet her. Down. He's smoking a cigarette in the old 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:47.960 lady's bedroom. I don't know. He's got a lit cigarette 0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.480 in his hand that accidentally burns her. She starts screaming 0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:54.600 even more and he snaps and he goes, I'll show 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.920 you rape. And that's when he continues to burn her 0:37:58.520 --> 0:38:00.239 and pulls up her night down and burns or in 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:03.400 all this like horrible stuff. I feel like that's a 0:38:03.440 --> 0:38:06.319 really crazy snap and he should go away for a 0:38:06.320 --> 0:38:10.120 long time to jail. He says he never saw her 0:38:10.160 --> 0:38:12.520 that whole day. He never saw Bess and that when 0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:14.279 she coded, he was in the stock room and he 0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:18.040 can prove it. So they find out that hal was 0:38:18.080 --> 0:38:20.840 stealing drugs from the drug computer. If you ever watched 0:38:21.160 --> 0:38:23.279 if you ever watch Nurse Jackie, you kind of know 0:38:23.320 --> 0:38:26.200 that they get these like hardcore drug computers that dispense 0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:28.480 the certain amount of drugs so that people cannot abuse 0:38:28.560 --> 0:38:31.799 these machines. So he was inputting all these fake nurse 0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:34.799 codes at at the time that best coded, So he 0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.719 does have an alibi for the moment of that she 0:38:36.960 --> 0:38:41.040 was you know, quote unquote attacked at Jubilee Towers. They're 0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:44.160 poking around and they find out that Hope has a 0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.080 little bit of a reputation for saving patients. She has 0:38:47.120 --> 0:38:51.400 saved besides Best, two other patients. Meanwhile, we see that 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:54.320 Joe is pulling Best out of Jubilee Towers. 0:38:54.400 --> 0:38:55.200 Andy's there too. 0:38:55.239 --> 0:38:57.080 He's like, I'll bring you some other brouchers for other 0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:00.799 nursing homes, Grandma, And meanwhile Best keeps telling Joe to 0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:02.759 shut the fuck up. She's like, can somebody shut this 0:39:02.880 --> 0:39:05.680 man up? I hate him like her own son. She's like, stup, 0:39:05.760 --> 0:39:08.920 make him stop. And he tells Olivia that the protective 0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:10.960 order has been dropped, so he's allowed to take her out, 0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.080 and Olivia says, oh, I heard the misappropriation of funds 0:39:14.080 --> 0:39:18.279 investigation is just beginning. So then Hope walks in and 0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:21.320 she tells Joe how Bess is one of her favorites 0:39:21.320 --> 0:39:23.160 and nothing's going to happen to her while she's here, 0:39:23.560 --> 0:39:25.600 and then we kind of see Olivia. We get a 0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:28.640 close up on Olivia just noticing like something is off here. 0:39:29.719 --> 0:39:31.960 So then she starts talking to Hope about, oh, you've 0:39:32.000 --> 0:39:34.640 saved all these patients except for that one man who died, 0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:38.640 and Hope's like telling this very sketchy story about how 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:40.759 she tried to revive the man. He was already dead, 0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.279 but she started doing CPR on him. Anyway, It's just 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.399 a very it just feels like she's lying. She's kind 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:50.759 of switching back and forth between details, and we go 0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.680 back to the precinct where Olivia is like, this woman's 0:39:53.680 --> 0:39:57.440 a wacko. Something's up, and Huong is explaining malignant hero syndrome, 0:39:57.480 --> 0:40:00.200 which is when someone sets up a dangerous situation in 0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.600 so they can swoop in and save the day, like 0:40:02.640 --> 0:40:06.560 a fireman setting fires. It's essentially like Munchausen biproxy. It's 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:09.080 just not with your own kid. It's like you're endangering 0:40:09.080 --> 0:40:11.000 somebody else and then saving them. 0:40:11.400 --> 0:40:14.200 Being a hero is intoxicating because one time our friend 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.680 Mike Joyce, he lost his glasses in the ocean and 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:19.680 I was like, I'm going to be a hero right now, 0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.200 And in the fucking ocean, I reached down and I 0:40:22.280 --> 0:40:25.239 found his glasses and I put I put my hand 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:27.719 up into the sky and I swear, I mean, I'm 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:29.959 this is this was six years ago. I'm still talking 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.640 about it. It did feel amazing, and I did save 0:40:32.680 --> 0:40:35.600 the day. I just understand people that want to be heroes. 0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:37.399 Because it does. It does feel good. 0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:39.800 It does feel good, but yeah, don't put people in danger. 0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.640 So best is talk. Screen shows that she had epinephrine 0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:47.520 in her system. So this is Wong looking at the 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:50.360 file being like, why does she have epineffrin in her system? 0:40:50.440 --> 0:40:52.640 And that's what they give you when your heart stops, 0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:54.720 and I believe that's also what's in like an EpiPen 0:40:54.880 --> 0:40:57.040 when you get you know, sung by a bee or 0:40:57.120 --> 0:41:00.600 have a shellfish reaction. Wong said that she wouldn't have 0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.080 needed that because if CPR got her heart started again, 0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.360 we wouldn't have needed that, and it was not noted 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:08.000 in her chart that she was given that, so that 0:41:08.040 --> 0:41:11.040 would definitely speed up her heartbreak and mimic a heart attack. 0:41:11.120 --> 0:41:14.360 So that's very sketchy. We look into Hopes passed a 0:41:14.360 --> 0:41:16.600 little bit and she was a nurse, so she would 0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:20.080 know how to administer something like epinephrine, and she worked 0:41:20.120 --> 0:41:22.800 at Oak Glade Nursing Home and her license was revoked 0:41:22.840 --> 0:41:26.320 fifteen years ago for gross negligence for failure to dilute 0:41:26.400 --> 0:41:31.400 potassium chloride doses. We're back at Jubilee Towers and Elliott 0:41:31.440 --> 0:41:34.960 and Olivia bust In on Mary Kay Place Hope giving 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.400 a tour, and they said, well, how's princes weren't on 0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.560 any of the syringes, but we found your prince on 0:41:40.560 --> 0:41:42.720 one of the syringes of FB at the nurses station, 0:41:43.160 --> 0:41:45.400 and she's like, why are you trying to embarrass me? 0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:48.040 People can hear you, So it's you know, that's sort 0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.279 of like a I think that's like an interesting line 0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.279 that they put in about how she really cares how 0:41:52.320 --> 0:41:54.480 people perceive her. You know, she wants to be perceived 0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:56.920 as the hero. She just want to be embarrassed. You know, 0:41:57.040 --> 0:42:00.840 she's very into this upscale assistance living facility that she 0:42:00.880 --> 0:42:03.520 works in, in her reputation and all that. So they 0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.040 arrest her and then in the final scene, we're at trial. 0:42:07.160 --> 0:42:10.920 Melinda Warner is testifying that she examined the records of 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.480 twenty two deaths between nineteen eighty two and nineteen eighty 0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:16.040 seven at Oak Glade, the old nursing home she worked at, 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:19.839 and found evidence of potassium poisoning in seven of them. 0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.920 It wasn't originally discovered because people expect the elderly to die, 0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.279 and I guess autopsies are only performed in one out 0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:29.279 of twenty five If anyone listening knows that there are 0:42:29.320 --> 0:42:31.440 more current stats on that. Let me know, because that 0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:35.440 seems like that seems like not that many autopsies. I mean, 0:42:35.480 --> 0:42:38.239 I know people are, you know, eventually die, but I don't. 0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:42.040 Families want to know why. I don't know. So and 0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.279 when when cells die, they release potassium, so it would 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:49.480 have been undetectable. She found it by examining ekg's and 0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:52.560 basically discovered, she says, a bunch of medical mumbo jumbar, 0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:54.799 but in Layman's terms, said that it all showed that 0:42:54.880 --> 0:42:57.360 all of their hearts were beating too fast. None of 0:42:57.400 --> 0:43:00.200 them had kidney disease, so the potassium was deaf only 0:43:00.239 --> 0:43:03.239 introduced to them from an outside source. Someone administering a 0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:06.440 lethal dose. Hope interrupts with like a big thing, like, 0:43:06.920 --> 0:43:09.440 doctor's fuck up all the time, you have no idea? 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:13.799 I cover their asses. And then Warner also reveals that 0:43:13.880 --> 0:43:16.120 in every single one of these seven cases of death, 0:43:16.200 --> 0:43:20.879 Hope Garrett was the administering nurse. She totally flips out 0:43:20.920 --> 0:43:22.839 and is like they were at death's door, and then 0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:24.880 she goes to Cabot, I help people. 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:25.640 What do you do? 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:27.040 You stupid bitch? 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.080 Is the great I just love the line. 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:30.040 It's so good. 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:34.080 We love Cabot too. This is a great Cabot episode. 0:43:34.120 --> 0:43:38.520 She's so gourge and perfect and basically Hope is just 0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:41.080 having a full breakdown. Her lawyer's telling her to calm down. 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:44.520 They have to take the jury out. Hope is freaking out, 0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:47.040 and she's like, I didn't kill anyone. Maybe a few 0:43:47.040 --> 0:43:48.880 of them wouldn't pull through for me, but I have 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.080 saved hundreds. And she's screaming all this as she's being 0:43:52.719 --> 0:43:57.120 escorted out by the bailiffs and then created by Dick Wolf. 0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.879 I think, you know, that's actually my dream role now 0:44:00.920 --> 0:44:04.000 on SVU. I want to be carried out by a Bayliff. Yeah, 0:44:04.040 --> 0:44:07.320 after a breakdown. I think that's a freak attack until. 0:44:07.080 --> 0:44:07.759 You carry it out. 0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.640 Yeah yeah, yeah, that's I could see you handling that easily. 0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:12.640 Thank you. 0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:17.080 But yeah, so that's episode I I'm sorry if I 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.480 rushed through it. They just literally went to seventy five 0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:23.440 different locations in this episode, and there was just a 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:28.799 lot going on, but ultimately, you know, heartbreaking because there 0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:31.279 really is so much elder abuse that goes on with 0:44:31.480 --> 0:44:34.120 poor elderly people, and Lisa is going to take us 0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.359 into that world, I believe as soon as we come 0:44:36.400 --> 0:44:36.880 back from. 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:54.399 The break, all right, welcome back. 0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:59.080 So we're going to be talking about a murderous fucking nurse. 0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:04.880 Is Kristin Gilbert And this takes place in about nineteen 0:45:04.920 --> 0:45:08.760 ninety five is when the investigation and like this starts. 0:45:09.239 --> 0:45:11.680 And I watched Snapped and I've never seen Snapped, so 0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:12.560 it's pretty thrilling. 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:14.600 And there was one. 0:45:14.600 --> 0:45:18.279 Investigator they started like, he was called in around two 0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.239 thousand and six and he was really excited. He goes, 0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.759 I'll never forget it because it was a leapier and 0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:24.719 I just like a grown man being thrilled that it 0:45:24.760 --> 0:45:29.960 was a leapyer. So Kristen worked at a VA hospital 0:45:30.200 --> 0:45:34.720 in Northampton, Massachusetts, and it's like a super chill town. 0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:38.160 Yeah, Northampton I've been to many times and it's very 0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:42.680 it's like lesbian folk rock capital, like very cool. It's 0:45:42.719 --> 0:45:46.759 like where Smith is there, I believe Smith College. Like 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:48.840 there's just a lot of great It's just a cute 0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:50.160 ass little town. 0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:52.720 Yeah. So the murder rate is basically zero. 0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:56.879 There's a murder like one every two years, but all 0:45:56.880 --> 0:45:59.680 of a sudden, the death rates spiked and it was 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:04.360 all because of the veterans hospital very suspicious and doctor 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:08.760 Greg Blackman, one of Kristen's coworkers, said, it's pretty alarming 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.240 the amounts of codes and deaths because usually they expect 0:46:12.320 --> 0:46:15.640 veterans to get better and leave. It's not It's not 0:46:15.800 --> 0:46:18.799 a place like I said, it's a chill fucking town, 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:23.359 chill hospital just coming in for help and leaving. So 0:46:23.560 --> 0:46:25.719 to get a little background on Kristen, there was a 0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:29.560 few professionals and they said, like it's kind of classic 0:46:29.640 --> 0:46:34.320 for women killers, where she was just obsessed with attention. 0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.839 She liked being the center of attention all the time, 0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.640 no matter what it took. She once lied that and 0:46:39.680 --> 0:46:42.200 said her mom was an abusive alcoholic. She was just 0:46:42.280 --> 0:46:45.080 always like making shit up. If boyfriends broke up with her, 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:46.800 she said she was going to kill herself. 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.480 You know, I don't know if we all know someone 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:50.080 like that or not. 0:46:50.239 --> 0:46:54.120 I definitely do, But yeah, she's a chronic liar and manipulator, 0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.680 and with people like this like no attentions enough and 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.719 they'll do whatever it needs to do. That which is 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:03.839 using why she would become a nurse, because nurses are 0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:06.600 usually very selfless and caretakers and it's just about the 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:07.520 work and the patients. 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:12.560 So that is very strange for someone of that nature maybe. 0:47:12.320 --> 0:47:16.640 To set herself up to be a malignant hero syndrome person. 0:47:16.520 --> 0:47:17.560 You know it. Maybe. 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.799 So in nineteen eighty eight she graduates nursing school and 0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:25.399 that's when she starts working at the VA Center. She's 0:47:25.440 --> 0:47:28.640 also married to this guy named Glenn, Glenn Gilbert. 0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:29.480 She had two boys. 0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:31.279 On all accounts, she liked being a mom, and she 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.440 was just kind of like a basic gal, you know, 0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:37.719 a nurse, married mom, whatever, living the life in Northampton. 0:47:38.200 --> 0:47:40.880 But then shit got wild because her and her husband 0:47:40.880 --> 0:47:42.719 would fight, and then she chased him around with a 0:47:42.719 --> 0:47:44.719 giant knife and he had to lock himself in the 0:47:44.800 --> 0:47:47.040 room until she like she had a chill. So we 0:47:47.160 --> 0:47:50.320 realized something was wrong, and the marriage just kept getting 0:47:50.360 --> 0:47:54.400 worse and worse because usually with people that love attention, 0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:58.560 when you fall in love, that's the intoxicating fun part, 0:47:59.000 --> 0:48:01.360 and then when you know it's just like a marriage, 0:48:01.400 --> 0:48:03.960 it gets boring and people like this get bored. 0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:05.520 I'm not married, but. 0:48:05.560 --> 0:48:08.920 You know it's not as thrilling, you know, it's not 0:48:09.000 --> 0:48:12.160 like all that oxytocin or whatever rushing to your brain 0:48:12.239 --> 0:48:16.640 all the time. So the husband started realizing something was up. 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:19.359 You know, her craving for attention got pretty strong, and 0:48:19.400 --> 0:48:23.960 she began an affair with the hospital security guard, James Ferrell, 0:48:24.520 --> 0:48:27.560 and that's when Glenn filed for divorce, and so she 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:29.799 was just like fucking the security guard and they had 0:48:29.920 --> 0:48:33.080 a really great time. And right after the affair began 0:48:33.239 --> 0:48:35.320 is when the deaths started to occur. 0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.160 So it all came together. 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:43.960 The first victim of this deadly deadly nurse was Stanley Jigadowski. 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.319 He was sixty six years old and a veteran of 0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:49.880 the Korean War, and doctor Blackman, who I mentioned earlier, 0:48:49.960 --> 0:48:52.680 looked at his charts. Everything was fine, he had a 0:48:52.719 --> 0:48:55.399 healthy heart, and he expected him to be fine. 0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:57.920 And then all of a sudden he codd and his. 0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:01.799 Heart stopped beating and he was dead, and it was 0:49:01.920 --> 0:49:04.759 just you know, the doctor actually was like crying when 0:49:04.760 --> 0:49:05.279 talking about it. 0:49:05.280 --> 0:49:06.799 He's like, we weren't supposed to lose him. 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.279 And he's like a very passionate, empathetic dude, like he 0:49:09.360 --> 0:49:11.600 was like, what, you know, he was very upset by this. 0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:16.440 And so February eighth, nineteen ninety five was the second 0:49:16.520 --> 0:49:20.080 suspicious death, and it was a much much younger patient. 0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:23.840 It was a thirty five year old man, Henry Hudon, 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.399 and he had the flu. So they brought him into 0:49:26.400 --> 0:49:30.680 the VA hospital and they were gonna like charge, you know, 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:32.719 it's just a flu. They were just going to deal 0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:34.960 with it and everything was going to be fine. He 0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:38.719 did have a head injury from when he served, and 0:49:38.840 --> 0:49:43.520 so he was diagnosed after that with paranoid schizophrenia, but 0:49:43.600 --> 0:49:45.920 outside of that he was in very good shape with 0:49:45.960 --> 0:49:50.200 no physical conditions. Again, doctor Blackman checked on him. Everything 0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.680 looked fine. He went downstairs and within the hour there 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:56.160 was a code and he was in cardiac arrest and 0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:59.719 so they began CPR and he came back and so 0:50:00.160 --> 0:50:00.920 that was amazing. 0:50:01.239 --> 0:50:04.400 And then Kristin out loud says, I wouldn't. 0:50:04.040 --> 0:50:07.680 Be so happy, and doctor Blackman said, what do you 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:11.120 even mean by that? And she goes, Wow, he's a schizophrenic, 0:50:11.920 --> 0:50:15.279 And so that's pretty alarming, Like not only is that 0:50:15.320 --> 0:50:17.600 a statement, that's pretty fucked like in general, like you 0:50:17.600 --> 0:50:20.719 wouldn't want someone that has schizophrenia to live, but as 0:50:20.760 --> 0:50:23.360 a nurse and a caretaker and you're in charge of 0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:25.360 their well being, to be like, it's a shame we 0:50:25.440 --> 0:50:27.359 saved him, Like let this person die. 0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:30.800 As a nurse, you should never be quantifying like people 0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:34.919 or like calculating people's like quality of life and their 0:50:35.280 --> 0:50:38.319 like deservedness to live right, like everyone you have to 0:50:38.320 --> 0:50:39.320 try to save everyone. 0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:42.400 Yeah, that's definitely it. Because when my dad had heart surgery, 0:50:42.440 --> 0:50:44.719 he was kind of causing problems on the floor and 0:50:44.760 --> 0:50:46.600 I talked to our friend Lindsay was a nurse, and 0:50:46.640 --> 0:50:48.440 she was like, they're all fucking annoying. 0:50:48.480 --> 0:50:48.919 Don't worry. 0:50:48.960 --> 0:50:51.520 I never give worse care when someone's annoying, all right, 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.400 annoying patients, And so that helped me because I was like, 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.520 are the nurses gonna smother him? Like he truly was 0:50:58.600 --> 0:51:03.400 causing a lot of problem this summer at the hospital. 0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.440 So doctor Blackman thought it was definitely fucked up. And 0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:10.319 then he went into cardiac arrest three more times in 0:51:10.360 --> 0:51:12.640 a six hour period, and then the third time his 0:51:12.719 --> 0:51:13.839 heart finally gave out. 0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:16.000 I know, it's really upsetting. 0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:19.160 And in this episode of Snapped, they talked to Henry's sister, 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:23.600 who of course is so upset, and she go like, 0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:25.680 with all this, I mean, we find out it's obviously 0:51:25.719 --> 0:51:27.919 this woman, Kristen, We're not living in a mystery right now. 0:51:28.480 --> 0:51:31.919 I'm not hiding deets. And the sister says, that's what's 0:51:31.960 --> 0:51:33.879 so tough. It's like when you're at war and you're 0:51:33.920 --> 0:51:36.520 in the military, you know who your enemy is, and 0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:39.080 it's just so much more fucked up here because you're 0:51:39.320 --> 0:51:43.200 expecting good healthcare at this VA hospital and it's just 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:45.560 so fucked up that you don't know who your enemy is. 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:48.320 And you're literally, like, to quote the title of the episode, 0:51:48.360 --> 0:51:51.280 you're vulnerable, like you're in the hands of these people 0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:53.719 and like they have your life in their hands. 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:57.560 I'm very impressed. How you put that together? Kara very impressed. 0:51:59.000 --> 0:52:02.400 So February ninth, ninety six, a year later, a forty 0:52:02.440 --> 0:52:05.520 one year old Kenneth Cutting comes in and he has sepsis. 0:52:06.000 --> 0:52:08.799 He's an army vet, husband, parent, and his heart was 0:52:08.880 --> 0:52:09.640 totally fine. 0:52:09.840 --> 0:52:11.200 You obviously get the pattern. 0:52:11.280 --> 0:52:14.920 All these people are very healthy, and Kristen says to 0:52:15.000 --> 0:52:18.560 a supervisor, if this guy dies by eight pm, can 0:52:18.600 --> 0:52:20.520 I go home early so I can go. 0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:21.080 On a date. 0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.359 So she said this to her supervisor, like if this 0:52:25.400 --> 0:52:29.520 guy croaks, can I go party? I just don't know 0:52:29.520 --> 0:52:32.640 how she like, why it's kind of shocking that no 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:35.960 one is doing anything with all of these comments being made. 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:38.360 I don't And then later that night there is a 0:52:38.400 --> 0:52:40.680 code and he died of cardiac arrests forty one years 0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:43.640 old and no apparent reason for death, and she got. 0:52:43.480 --> 0:52:45.640 To go out and with this. 0:52:45.719 --> 0:52:47.920 So, like every time there was a code, her boyfriend 0:52:48.000 --> 0:52:50.760 who is a security guard, but all the security guards 0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:54.200 and everyone at that hospital is trained in CPR and like, 0:52:54.640 --> 0:52:57.279 you know, resuscitating people, that's part of it, and he 0:52:57.360 --> 0:53:00.680 is a first responder, so the boyfriend would always be 0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:02.719 in there, so like Kristen was always first in the 0:53:02.800 --> 0:53:05.000 room with these codes, and the boyfriend would run in 0:53:05.400 --> 0:53:07.560 and she would like get on top of these men 0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:11.239 to give them CPR and was putting on a show 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:14.359 for her boyfriend, Like she liked the attention of this 0:53:14.440 --> 0:53:17.719 guy watching her try to save these people. So it 0:53:17.800 --> 0:53:21.040 was also like a weird, kinky game on top of murder, 0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:25.239 like that she it was all for attention from this 0:53:25.360 --> 0:53:28.480 guy as well. And what was annoying is like when 0:53:28.480 --> 0:53:31.160 the news of all of this came out, the media 0:53:31.239 --> 0:53:34.279 spinned it as like this romance and really focused on 0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:37.719 this romance when it's kind of a side part to 0:53:37.800 --> 0:53:40.319 all of this. But yeah, so she did it to 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:44.880 fucking flirt, which was fucked up. Witnesses say that she 0:53:44.920 --> 0:53:48.000 would openly flirt right in front of the struggling humans 0:53:48.360 --> 0:53:52.080 Jesus Christ, and when he would do CPR, she would 0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.680 make comments how she liked the way his muscles moved. 0:53:56.040 --> 0:53:59.800 Classic flirting. Sick o sick oh for sure. 0:54:00.360 --> 0:54:03.759 And the experts that study this case, they say that 0:54:03.840 --> 0:54:07.320 the murder, like the deaths, is kind of a side effect. 0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:09.919 Like it wasn't like she was trying to murder. It's 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:13.120 just like kind of what happens. It's a side effect 0:54:13.160 --> 0:54:16.279 of getting the attention, which is I don't know how to. 0:54:16.360 --> 0:54:18.400 Maget about that fat I mean, it's similar to the 0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.239 character I don't think she was from the show. She 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.600 wasn't trying to murder people. She wanted the hero worship 0:54:22.640 --> 0:54:23.200 and everything. 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:27.000 Yeah, and so a lot of the coworkers started calling 0:54:27.040 --> 0:54:29.960 her Angel of Death, but it was just ingest and 0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:31.960 they thought she had bad luck and they didn't really 0:54:32.040 --> 0:54:35.399 believe she was killing patients. But then four weeks later, 0:54:35.480 --> 0:54:39.640 the fourth death occurs under Kristen's care. Edwards squire a 0:54:39.680 --> 0:54:43.440 World War two veteran. He had a seizure from alcoholic withdrawal, 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.400 and you usually give them valume and they get better. 0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:49.480 But later that night he stopped breathing from a heart attack. 0:54:49.640 --> 0:54:52.520 And you don't just go into cardiac arrest from a seizure, 0:54:53.000 --> 0:54:54.319 right They let us know that. 0:54:54.480 --> 0:54:57.480 And FYI, I'm that's a crazy nickname to give a 0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:00.480 nurse Angel of Death. I don't care if it's like 0:55:00.600 --> 0:55:04.520 in jest. That's fucking nuts, Like you're not like, oh, 0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:07.879 we call Bernie here the incinerator on the fire at 0:55:07.880 --> 0:55:10.120 the firehouse, you know, because he's always involved in these 0:55:10.160 --> 0:55:13.360 really really deadly fires. Like it's just fucked up it is. 0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.719 But this, this final one, made the other nurses realize this, 0:55:16.800 --> 0:55:19.160 it wasn't just some bad luck and something's going on. 0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:22.239 So one nurse started looking for evidence, and what she 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:26.200 found shocked her. She checked the hazard's box and inside 0:55:26.280 --> 0:55:30.279 she found three broken ampules for epinephrine with such a 0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.120 strong dose they would never use on that floor of 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:37.720 the hospital. I guess those are for really like intense cases. 0:55:37.800 --> 0:55:42.359 And this dose of epinephrine did not belong. And epinephrine 0:55:42.520 --> 0:55:46.920 is a synthetic heart stimulant, for those wondering, And I 0:55:46.960 --> 0:55:50.239 did practice how to say epinephrine many times before we 0:55:50.280 --> 0:55:53.799 sat down here today. So three other nurses went to 0:55:53.800 --> 0:55:56.960 the supervisors after all this, and that was the tipping point. 0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:59.680 And then this is when investigators got involved with the case. 0:56:00.040 --> 0:56:02.200 So this is where the leap ear comes. In February 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:06.040 twenty ninth and nineteen ninety six, this main investigator gets 0:56:06.080 --> 0:56:09.239 a call. They start matching the deaths to her schedule. 0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.120 When she worked evenings, there were spike and deaths. When 0:56:12.120 --> 0:56:14.360 she worked in the day, there was a spike in deaths, 0:56:14.360 --> 0:56:17.959 and the deaths followed her and James, the security guard, 0:56:18.000 --> 0:56:22.200 started to believe these rumors and so he didn't like it, 0:56:22.400 --> 0:56:27.319 so Ardie, so when the criminal investigation heated up, he 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:31.759 said peace out, Gal and ended that relationship. Gilbert obviously 0:56:31.800 --> 0:56:34.359 did not take this well and said she was going 0:56:34.400 --> 0:56:38.080 to kill herself. Kristen started to panic. She had no husband, 0:56:38.080 --> 0:56:42.080 no friends, and no boyfriend. And experts believe when a 0:56:42.120 --> 0:56:44.799 person like this, who believes they're in control, starts to 0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:47.799 get cornered and things start cracking, they tend to do 0:56:47.880 --> 0:56:51.799 something extreme. So what is Kristin Gilbert going to do? 0:56:52.520 --> 0:56:57.520 September twenty sixth, nineteen ninety six. She calls the VA 0:56:57.600 --> 0:57:00.239 Medical Center and says, there are three explosive device is 0:57:00.280 --> 0:57:03.040 in the building and they're going to explode in twenty 0:57:03.040 --> 0:57:04.560 five minutes and I'll see you in hell. 0:57:04.960 --> 0:57:05.960 Oh my god. 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:08.600 So she calls in a bomb threat, and a bomb 0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:10.640 threat is a serious thing, in case you. 0:57:10.600 --> 0:57:13.200 Didn't know, in case you were unaware. 0:57:13.360 --> 0:57:19.080 That's not cute, not cute that I want to use 0:57:19.120 --> 0:57:22.160 that term more often. I don't say that enough. Not cute. 0:57:23.480 --> 0:57:26.440 So they evacuate fifty acutely old patients in the cold, 0:57:26.480 --> 0:57:28.360 and it's a lot of work to get everyone out. 0:57:28.480 --> 0:57:29.520 Luckily nobody died. 0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:33.240 There was no bomb, but this bogus threat was like 0:57:33.320 --> 0:57:36.320 the big break in the case. And what she didn't 0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:39.320 know was she was under surveillance this whole time. So 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:43.760 the person following her saw her go to the payphone 0:57:43.960 --> 0:57:44.800 and make this call. 0:57:44.960 --> 0:57:47.400 Who, in my mind, is just Stabler. It's just Stabler's 0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:48.320 in the car following her. 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:49.520 Yes, go on. 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:53.040 After the bomb threat, they got a warrant to search 0:57:53.080 --> 0:57:56.080 her home. So a DA was quick on their feet, 0:57:56.760 --> 0:58:00.400 and Kristen was alone in there, and she they said 0:58:00.440 --> 0:58:02.440 that she was like dumbfounded and was like whatever, I 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:04.160 don't know, you're not going to find anything. 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.200 But she's just not that smart. They found everything that 0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:08.120 they needed. 0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:10.880 They found the jacket on her bed that she was 0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:13.560 wearing when she made the call that she was id'd 0:58:13.640 --> 0:58:17.600 in by the surveillance guy, and inside the jacket there 0:58:17.640 --> 0:58:20.960 was operating instructions on the device to change your voice 0:58:22.440 --> 0:58:22.880 the like. 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:25.800 The call is coming from inside the house machine that 0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:26.480 you can use. 0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:29.320 Yeah, it's actually amazing. It was a talk boy. I 0:58:29.320 --> 0:58:30.560 don't know if you remember that toy. 0:58:30.680 --> 0:58:31.760 Yeah, yeah, talkboy. 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:34.160 So then they find the talk boy in a box 0:58:34.240 --> 0:58:37.640 in the kid's bedroom. So they have the talk boy, 0:58:37.720 --> 0:58:40.280 they have the instructions, they have the jacket, and they 0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.800 took a bunch of journals, computers, medical books, they took 0:58:42.840 --> 0:58:46.400 everything from there. And they took a drug book that 0:58:46.560 --> 0:58:50.920 was dog eared on the page explaining epinephrine, which is circumstantial, 0:58:51.240 --> 0:58:54.200 but you know, yeah, they were happy to find that. 0:58:54.480 --> 0:58:56.600 So they had all the evidence for the bomb threat, 0:58:56.600 --> 0:58:57.920 but they needed evidence to. 0:58:57.880 --> 0:58:59.320 Get her on these murders. 0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:01.920 But because of the bomb threat, she was sentenced to 0:59:01.960 --> 0:59:08.160 fifteen months in federal penitentiary. She was sentenced to fifteen 0:59:08.200 --> 0:59:11.560 months in federal penitentent I can't say it penitentiary. 0:59:11.840 --> 0:59:13.400 In a federal penitentiary. 0:59:13.760 --> 0:59:22.440 Fifteen months in a federal penitentiary, I can't say it penitentiary, penitentiary, penitentiary. 0:59:22.800 --> 0:59:25.720 This all stays in penitentiary. 0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:29.600 Okay, fifteen months in a federal penitentiary in Connecticut. You 0:59:29.640 --> 0:59:31.960 should be a speech therapist. JK, you're very good at this. 0:59:32.040 --> 0:59:37.880 Please don't go to CLS school again. So in there 0:59:38.120 --> 0:59:41.000 there was a suicide attempt and she got a psych 0:59:41.040 --> 0:59:44.600 evaluation and they figured out that she was borderline personality disorder. 0:59:44.960 --> 0:59:49.160 Like I've said earlier, loves attention, craves chaos in an arena. 0:59:49.200 --> 0:59:52.560 They can manipulate to their advantage. Use whatever they need 0:59:52.600 --> 0:59:56.120 to draw attention to themselves, pretend to be victims, whatever 0:59:56.160 --> 0:59:59.480 it takes to keep the focus on themselves. Jail time 0:59:59.560 --> 1:00:02.320 kept her so they can investigate and do more interviews 1:00:02.320 --> 1:00:06.200 and just be free to dig deep. Victims' bodies became 1:00:06.200 --> 1:00:08.920 the number one piece of evidence, but all the bodies 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:12.120 had been laid to rest, but without this evidence like 1:00:12.200 --> 1:00:15.520 they needed the body evidence like in the episode of SVU. 1:00:15.640 --> 1:00:17.880 They needed to prove the epinephrine was in the body 1:00:17.960 --> 1:00:21.400 or they didn't have a solid case. So authorities decided 1:00:21.440 --> 1:00:23.960 to exhume some of the bodies and it was worth it, 1:00:24.000 --> 1:00:26.520 and they found what they were looking for, lethal amounts 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:29.720 of epinephrin in the body. It also showed them that 1:00:30.440 --> 1:00:34.200 all these patients had good hearts and without the bodies 1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:38.160 they wouldn't be able to bring upon charges. So very 1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:41.920 happy that they were allowed to do that. And this 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.760 case got a lot of extra media attention because since 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:48.160 the VA Hospital is federal property, she could get the 1:00:48.200 --> 1:00:50.800 death penalty, which is not allowed in Massachusetts. 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:54.400 Wow wow, Yeah, she would be. 1:00:54.360 --> 1:00:57.720 The first defendant in a capital felony case eligible for 1:00:57.800 --> 1:01:01.479 the death penalty since the nineteen fifty. She did plead 1:01:01.560 --> 1:01:04.840 not guilty and they say Kristin Gilbert had no reaction 1:01:05.000 --> 1:01:07.520 at all in the courtroom to what anybody said or did. 1:01:07.840 --> 1:01:09.720 She was deadpan and cold. 1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:13.520 She was found guilty of four counts of first degree 1:01:13.600 --> 1:01:15.720 murder and three counts of attempted murder. 1:01:16.080 --> 1:01:16.480 Damn. 1:01:16.680 --> 1:01:19.560 She got life in prison, but not the death penalty. 1:01:20.160 --> 1:01:23.280 She is currently serving her life sentence in Fort Worth, Texas. 1:01:23.800 --> 1:01:27.320 After her conviction, she maintained her innocence and began a 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:31.400 federal appeals process, but she dropped that when after a 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:35.480 recent US Supreme Court ruling would have allowed prosecutors to 1:01:35.560 --> 1:01:38.360 pursue the death penalty if she was granted a new trial. 1:01:39.360 --> 1:01:41.600 So didn't seem worth it to her. 1:01:41.920 --> 1:01:44.320 Wow, So she was like, if I go for it, 1:01:44.960 --> 1:01:47.600 I'm probably going to get convicted again and I'm going 1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:48.560 to get the death penalty. 1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:48.800 Wow. 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:49.160 Wowow. 1:01:49.560 --> 1:01:52.320 Yeah. So that is the case of Kristin Gilbert. 1:01:52.960 --> 1:01:59.400 Wow. Fascinating. I mean, I there's another SVU episode with 1:01:59.560 --> 1:02:02.600 Jane kerk Kowski where she is sort of an angel 1:02:02.640 --> 1:02:05.440 of mercy where she's killing like people that are on 1:02:05.560 --> 1:02:08.080 their death with the air embolism. 1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:10.479 Yeah, this is like such a different thing. 1:02:10.560 --> 1:02:13.080 It's like, oh my god, the terror that people must 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:16.040 go through having like a fucking heart attack that she 1:02:16.240 --> 1:02:20.280 brought on for them, is that's really that's really bout. 1:02:20.560 --> 1:02:23.320 Yeah, And you know, Kristen doesn't look anything like Mary 1:02:23.400 --> 1:02:25.680 Kay place, but I imagine Mary Kay the whole time, 1:02:25.920 --> 1:02:29.200 Like I can't. I just yeah, I imagined her doing 1:02:29.240 --> 1:02:30.840 all of these murders. 1:02:31.320 --> 1:02:35.680 Wow, Lisa, amazing work. That was a really crazy story. 1:02:35.760 --> 1:02:46.640 And now let's get to our guest, all right, we 1:02:46.680 --> 1:02:49.400 are so excited for our next guest. He's truly we 1:02:49.480 --> 1:02:52.080 had the best time talking to him. You've seen him 1:02:52.440 --> 1:02:55.080 in the Cameron Diaz movie In Her Shoes, You've probably 1:02:55.080 --> 1:02:59.400 seen him as Franklin Winthrop on OZ, and he's literally 1:02:59.440 --> 1:03:02.439 been in every seed drill you've ever heard of, Criminal Intent, YPD, 1:03:02.520 --> 1:03:05.680 blue CSI, et cetera, et cetera. Guys, we're so excited 1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:09.360 to talk to the worst assisted living employee of all time, 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:13.240 Hal Shipley, Mister Andy Powers. Can we just ask a 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:16.760 quick logistical question because we weren't sure exactly of the dates, 1:03:16.800 --> 1:03:20.120 but did you work with Christopher Maloney on SVU first 1:03:20.320 --> 1:03:22.480 or when he murdered you on OZ? 1:03:22.880 --> 1:03:24.840 Like just a few months right after he killed me 1:03:24.880 --> 1:03:26.520 on OS he busted me on SPU. 1:03:27.280 --> 1:03:29.880 Oh okay, cool, So the SVU was kind of a 1:03:29.920 --> 1:03:30.680 little reunion. 1:03:30.840 --> 1:03:32.480 So were you guys pals? 1:03:33.160 --> 1:03:34.320 I wouldn't say we're pals. 1:03:34.520 --> 1:03:38.320 I mean he's a pretty intense guy on set, you. 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:41.200 Know, that's what we've heard. We heard he stretches a lot. 1:03:42.440 --> 1:03:42.920 I owe him. 1:03:42.920 --> 1:03:45.000 The only time I ever worked with him on OZ 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:48.080 was that episode where he kills me because I had 1:03:48.360 --> 1:03:52.480 murdered his lover's father before that, So we filmed the 1:03:52.480 --> 1:03:56.120 scene in the gym, and then I think that day 1:03:56.240 --> 1:03:58.600 we walked over to the closet where he kills me 1:03:58.640 --> 1:04:01.080 and I had to make out with him spits on 1:04:01.120 --> 1:04:03.640 my dead body and yeah. 1:04:03.200 --> 1:04:05.280 And then a few months later he like puts me 1:04:05.320 --> 1:04:07.120 in handcuffs in SBU. 1:04:09.000 --> 1:04:11.960 Wow. So I watched OZ way too young, like in 1:04:12.040 --> 1:04:14.440 junior high. That was watching. 1:04:14.240 --> 1:04:19.840 Yeah for sure, and yeah it was such a fucked show. 1:04:19.920 --> 1:04:22.400 Did you do you have memories working with JK. Simmons. 1:04:22.480 --> 1:04:22.640 Oh? 1:04:22.720 --> 1:04:23.960 Yeah, I love JK. 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:28.240 He's a nice guy, real, really nice guy, down to earth. 1:04:28.520 --> 1:04:30.160 He was a lot of fun to be around him. 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.840 And Rick Rogers where he looks like he has that energy. 1:04:32.880 --> 1:04:34.840 I would love to hang out with JK. Simmons. 1:04:35.080 --> 1:04:37.640 Yeah, he's just sort of that non plus eternally non 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:38.919 plus gu Yeah, you know. 1:04:39.800 --> 1:04:43.440 And there's a lot of OZ SVU overlap. I think 1:04:43.480 --> 1:04:45.840 there's something to it or is it just New York 1:04:45.880 --> 1:04:47.600 actors booking it all? 1:04:48.560 --> 1:04:51.400 I think at the time that you know, back then 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:54.720 there were fewer actors in New York because there were 1:04:54.840 --> 1:04:55.720 fewer shows. 1:04:55.880 --> 1:04:56.720 I think about my. 1:04:56.720 --> 1:04:59.720 Time in la Is like before and after in New York, And. 1:05:00.040 --> 1:05:01.480 Before I went to LA which. 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:04.960 Was like two thousand and one, there were like eight 1:05:05.040 --> 1:05:08.000 or nine shows, not including soap operas, filming in the 1:05:08.120 --> 1:05:11.880 entire city. And when I came back, there's you know, 1:05:13.160 --> 1:05:17.240 thirty you know at any given moment, you know, either 1:05:17.960 --> 1:05:21.120 in production, pilots or something like that. Like to the 1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:24.440 point that there was literally only three or four places 1:05:24.440 --> 1:05:26.240 that you could have a studio in New York, and 1:05:26.320 --> 1:05:31.600 now there's thirty. There's like all over Brooklyn, parts of Queen's. 1:05:31.720 --> 1:05:34.200 There's still the West Side where you know, Law and 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:36.840 Order has their stuff, and now there's stuff up in Yonkers, 1:05:37.120 --> 1:05:38.240 you know, so oh wow. 1:05:38.880 --> 1:05:39.360 Yeah. 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:44.040 We shot Odds in a dilapidated naval yard in Bayo, 1:05:44.120 --> 1:05:46.400 New Jersey, like it used to be in the Chelsea 1:05:46.920 --> 1:05:48.880 or Chelsea Market, and by the time I got there, 1:05:48.920 --> 1:05:51.640 it was you had have like, you know, special you 1:05:51.640 --> 1:05:53.840 couldn't be a felon I think or something because it 1:05:53.880 --> 1:05:55.640 was technically still a military base. 1:05:56.600 --> 1:06:00.280 And like there were pigeons all over the place about 1:06:00.320 --> 1:06:04.480 your head and it was pretty it was pretty weird. Wow. 1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:09.560 Yeah, I unfortunately have never watched OZ, but I did 1:06:09.840 --> 1:06:13.160 check out some screenshots of your character and that looked 1:06:13.200 --> 1:06:15.680 like a pretty I mean, can I just say what 1:06:15.720 --> 1:06:17.120 it says about your character? 1:06:17.320 --> 1:06:18.479 It says that you are a. 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:22.520 Convicted a convicted rapist turned neo Nazi cross dresser. 1:06:23.040 --> 1:06:25.360 Yeah, it was they were trying to cover a lot 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:25.720 of basis. 1:06:25.800 --> 1:06:26.880 That's an epic description. 1:06:27.880 --> 1:06:30.000 It was pretty awesome. It's the only thing, you know, 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:30.800 It's the only thing. 1:06:30.840 --> 1:06:34.280 I don't really get recognized anymore. But when I when 1:06:34.320 --> 1:06:35.440 I did, it was only from that. 1:06:35.480 --> 1:06:37.400 It didn't matter what I did, it was it was that. 1:06:37.720 --> 1:06:41.240 I can't believe they recognized you without the pigtails they do. 1:06:41.440 --> 1:06:43.160 It's crazy. 1:06:44.120 --> 1:06:46.360 Well, just to bring it back a little bit to SVU, 1:06:46.480 --> 1:06:48.760 So before you did us view like or and then 1:06:48.800 --> 1:06:51.800 you were on another episode like more recently. So are 1:06:51.800 --> 1:06:53.280 you a fan of the show? Do you watch it 1:06:53.320 --> 1:06:53.640 at all? 1:06:53.800 --> 1:06:54.440 I mean or? 1:06:55.560 --> 1:06:59.840 I do, and my wife loves it and she watched it. 1:07:00.040 --> 1:07:01.680 He's watching it all the time, So that means I'm 1:07:01.720 --> 1:07:06.040 watching it and she's Actually I've been grandfathered into a 1:07:06.080 --> 1:07:08.920 friendship that she has with Raoula Sparza and his wife. 1:07:09.280 --> 1:07:10.800 They've been really close for a long time. 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:12.920 Oh that's exciting. Well, you should tell your wife to 1:07:12.960 --> 1:07:14.720 listen to our podcast, she'd probably love it. 1:07:15.240 --> 1:07:18.280 Oh I did, I did. Yeah, she's excited to hear it. 1:07:18.360 --> 1:07:19.600 She's downstairs right now. 1:07:19.600 --> 1:07:22.280 But our listeners are very horny for Raoul. 1:07:22.520 --> 1:07:25.200 Yeah. Yeah, yes, he's a sexy man. 1:07:25.400 --> 1:07:29.640 Yeah, they love that. How was doing this episode with 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:32.200 like a lot of older actors, Like, you know, it's 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:35.400 sort of a different that's kind of a different kind 1:07:35.400 --> 1:07:37.439 of set. You were like at this nursing home set 1:07:37.440 --> 1:07:39.560 with all these like when we first meet your character, 1:07:39.600 --> 1:07:41.520 you're like having a fight with an old man over 1:07:41.680 --> 1:07:42.960 like a tray or something. 1:07:43.320 --> 1:07:47.080 Yeah, it's interesting because some of these people have been 1:07:47.120 --> 1:07:50.200 acting for fifty years, you know, and they want you 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:50.920 to remember it. 1:07:50.960 --> 1:07:53.960 And now that I'm getting older, I understand the attitude. 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:57.560 You know, they don't you know, these these folks have 1:07:57.640 --> 1:08:01.080 been theater actors since you know they heyday of experimental 1:08:01.080 --> 1:08:02.240 theater in New York. 1:08:02.080 --> 1:08:03.520 In the nineteen sixties and stuff. 1:08:03.560 --> 1:08:06.800 So I just remember them being, you know, very intense, 1:08:07.160 --> 1:08:10.000 having that kind of layover of like Lee Strasberg stuff, 1:08:10.040 --> 1:08:13.240 getting a new character to throw something at me or 1:08:13.480 --> 1:08:15.960 you know. It was fun, but I only had I 1:08:16.000 --> 1:08:17.400 think I only had this scene with that one guy 1:08:18.040 --> 1:08:19.320 like I said, it was a long time ago. 1:08:19.680 --> 1:08:21.439 I guess that's true. I guess we never really see 1:08:21.439 --> 1:08:23.640 you together with the main woman of the episode. 1:08:23.880 --> 1:08:27.400 That's Jane Powell. Yeah, she's from The Birds. 1:08:27.120 --> 1:08:29.880 Right, Yeah she I didn't get to meet her, unfortunately, 1:08:29.960 --> 1:08:31.479 but I hear she was nice. 1:08:31.560 --> 1:08:33.559 Your characters are so like in twin but you never 1:08:33.600 --> 1:08:34.799 actually see you two together. 1:08:34.920 --> 1:08:35.360 Interesting. 1:08:35.600 --> 1:08:38.960 Yeah, I was kind of remiss about that. I wanted 1:08:38.960 --> 1:08:39.400 to see her. 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:42.960 It was my mom always talked about that movie being 1:08:43.000 --> 1:08:45.800 so terrifying to her, and I didn't get to meet her. 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:47.479 She's great, She was great. 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:51.439 And then you were on Zero Tolerance recently playing a 1:08:51.560 --> 1:08:52.439 terrible person. 1:08:53.400 --> 1:08:55.240 Do you remember it was the ice guy. 1:08:55.560 --> 1:08:55.920 Yeah. 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:58.559 So that little girl is so freaking cute. And then 1:08:59.240 --> 1:09:00.839 she just the most amazing actress. 1:09:00.840 --> 1:09:02.040 How was she crying like that? 1:09:03.080 --> 1:09:04.120 She could just turn it on. 1:09:04.520 --> 1:09:08.040 I haven't worked with kids all that much, but she 1:09:08.160 --> 1:09:11.800 took a minimum of minimal of coaching. You know, she 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:13.360 just kind of had you know, a lot of times 1:09:13.360 --> 1:09:15.120 they had people on set for kids to kind of 1:09:15.360 --> 1:09:17.400 tell them where to look and you know, how to 1:09:17.439 --> 1:09:17.880 do things. 1:09:17.880 --> 1:09:19.599 But she kind of knew she was up to and 1:09:19.720 --> 1:09:22.840 she was really focused on trying to eat more pizza, and. 1:09:22.760 --> 1:09:24.400 They kind of like they wanted they didn't want to 1:09:24.439 --> 1:09:27.200 like sugar, you know, to like crash from eating too 1:09:27.280 --> 1:09:29.439 much for the shots and stuff, but she would they 1:09:29.439 --> 1:09:31.400 would just start filming and it was there. 1:09:31.520 --> 1:09:33.840 I was I was really jealous and I was like, 1:09:33.880 --> 1:09:35.599 I can't do that. That's pretty awesome. 1:09:36.280 --> 1:09:39.160 And then did you notice any changes on the set 1:09:39.240 --> 1:09:41.840 from being like season four? And then I think was 1:09:41.840 --> 1:09:44.600 it season twenty was zero tolerance? Like was it the 1:09:44.600 --> 1:09:46.720 same vibe or have things changed now? 1:09:46.840 --> 1:09:49.160 Things have changed? You know, people are tired. 1:09:49.320 --> 1:09:51.120 It's such I mean, it was a pretty well oiled 1:09:51.240 --> 1:09:54.200 machine when I worked on it the first time, but 1:09:55.200 --> 1:09:58.800 the second time, it was just people can do it 1:09:58.840 --> 1:10:01.320 literally their eyes closed. 1:10:01.080 --> 1:10:01.320 You know. 1:10:01.400 --> 1:10:05.479 They like Ice Tea was really funny the second time 1:10:05.520 --> 1:10:08.759 we did it. He's just sort of this spectral presence 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:12.679 that's never around and somebody will ask like, okay, where's 1:10:12.840 --> 1:10:15.120 iced Tea, or you know, we've got to shoot, and 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:17.240 suddenly he's there and you don't remember when he left 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:18.640 or how we got back. 1:10:18.720 --> 1:10:20.120 And he's just there. 1:10:20.479 --> 1:10:22.320 And he's like half asleep, and then he just kind 1:10:22.320 --> 1:10:23.679 of wakes up and does his lines. 1:10:23.760 --> 1:10:25.400 And he does it like one or two takes and 1:10:25.400 --> 1:10:28.640 he's done. Wow. Wow, Yeah, it's really interesting. 1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:31.559 And then this is another crazy question for this being 1:10:31.640 --> 1:10:34.040 so long ago, but was that a real cigarette you 1:10:34.080 --> 1:10:35.720 were smoking or what do you smoke on set? 1:10:35.840 --> 1:10:38.680 Oh? No, that was real back then? I was I 1:10:38.680 --> 1:10:39.280 think it was. 1:10:39.360 --> 1:10:41.800 I mean there was, I think yeah, because I can't 1:10:41.800 --> 1:10:44.920 I'm allergic to like all the catnip and crap they 1:10:44.920 --> 1:10:46.200 put in the fake cigarette. 1:10:46.240 --> 1:10:48.920 So I was still a smoker, I was saying. 1:10:48.960 --> 1:10:51.519 I was telling Lisa, the fake ones are almost worse, 1:10:51.720 --> 1:10:52.719 Like they hurt your. 1:10:52.640 --> 1:10:54.759 Throat a lot, they keep you from smoking. 1:10:54.960 --> 1:10:58.240 Yeah, they're awful, but they're orange too or something. 1:10:58.600 --> 1:11:01.000 I was still a hardcore smoker back then, so I 1:11:01.040 --> 1:11:03.599 had no problem, no problem. Yeah, you need another take, 1:11:03.680 --> 1:11:03.920 I'm in. 1:11:05.439 --> 1:11:07.200 Yeah. And you got to flip your shit and like 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:08.759 kick stuff. That was fun. 1:11:09.040 --> 1:11:10.599 Yeah. Yeah. 1:11:10.640 --> 1:11:12.679 You can tell you're a good actor because you really 1:11:12.760 --> 1:11:15.200 are coming across like a very nice sound to earth guy. 1:11:15.240 --> 1:11:17.680 And your character was like psycho, like I mean, he 1:11:17.800 --> 1:11:20.400 just was like I just snapped. It's like snapping is 1:11:20.400 --> 1:11:22.679 one thing. Burning an old lady all over her body 1:11:22.720 --> 1:11:25.759 with a cigarette is quite another. Like you you really, 1:11:25.800 --> 1:11:28.400 but you really gave us the character so great job. 1:11:28.560 --> 1:11:30.840 Well, thank you. Yeah. 1:11:30.960 --> 1:11:33.519 I mean if somebody actually does that, don't hire them, 1:11:33.640 --> 1:11:33.840 you know. 1:11:34.000 --> 1:11:37.479 Yeah. 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:38.960 Well, and now we have a game. 1:11:39.479 --> 1:11:42.040 You've been on a lot of cop shows, so we're 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:48.080 gonna ask, like, if you needed help, what police group would. 1:11:47.920 --> 1:11:49.639 You want to show up to help you. 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:54.000 You get to choose from Third Watch, Criminal Intent, CSI, 1:11:54.479 --> 1:11:57.080 Blue Bloods, NYPD Blue, or SVU. 1:11:58.560 --> 1:12:03.080 I think I'd go with with with NYPD Blue, Okay, 1:12:04.760 --> 1:12:05.240 showing up. 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:08.760 He's so tough, he's so tough. He's a sweetheart, but 1:12:08.800 --> 1:12:09.840 he is so tough. 1:12:10.160 --> 1:12:14.960 He has that Chicago like toughness that just exudes from him. 1:12:14.960 --> 1:12:17.280 And when I shook his hand, it was like a rock. 1:12:17.080 --> 1:12:20.519 With fingers, you know, it was I remember, it hurt, 1:12:20.840 --> 1:12:23.439 you know. And and he's much new. 1:12:23.600 --> 1:12:26.680 You think he's like Danny DeVito small, yes, and he's not. 1:12:26.840 --> 1:12:29.240 He's almost He's like almost six feet tall, and he's 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:32.160 stocky and really really really strong. So I probably vote 1:12:32.200 --> 1:12:34.559 I probably ask him to come because he kind of 1:12:34.560 --> 1:12:37.400 bends the rules, so he would probably, like, you know, 1:12:38.360 --> 1:12:40.559 vehemently come to my defense if I had to call him, 1:12:40.680 --> 1:12:42.160 you know, versus someone who goes just. 1:12:42.120 --> 1:12:42.599 By the book. 1:12:42.800 --> 1:12:43.719 Yeah, it's a great answer. 1:12:43.840 --> 1:12:45.479 He's got Stabler vibes for sure. 1:12:46.200 --> 1:12:47.200 Thank you so much. 1:12:47.439 --> 1:12:49.640 Yeah, thank you for talking to us. I don't know 1:12:49.640 --> 1:12:52.080 if you have any last minute SVU memories you want 1:12:52.120 --> 1:12:53.639 to share with us, but this has been great. 1:12:53.880 --> 1:12:55.360 You can throw in an OS one for me. 1:12:56.720 --> 1:12:57.880 You'll probably edit this out. 1:12:58.160 --> 1:13:01.800 But the odd story is that when he killed me, 1:13:02.280 --> 1:13:03.600 he had this idea. 1:13:03.400 --> 1:13:05.120 To jerk off over my dead body. 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:08.439 I'm sorry, can I say that on your podcast? That 1:13:08.920 --> 1:13:12.120 so the you know, the ads quickly got like a 1:13:12.200 --> 1:13:13.960 nudity waiver like. 1:13:13.920 --> 1:13:15.360 Sent over so he could sign it. 1:13:16.120 --> 1:13:19.040 And then after he kills me, I think they cut 1:13:19.040 --> 1:13:21.240 it from the episode. But when he kills me, my 1:13:21.320 --> 1:13:23.840 eyes are closed because I'm there dead with my my 1:13:23.960 --> 1:13:26.639 neck broken, and he jerks off on my dead body 1:13:26.760 --> 1:13:27.680 and he spit on me. 1:13:27.800 --> 1:13:29.240 But I didn't know he had spit. 1:13:29.520 --> 1:13:34.360 I'm just hearing the sort of activity going on, and 1:13:34.439 --> 1:13:37.240 so I got up, and you know, and you know 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:39.120 how you're just kind of like checking your person when 1:13:39.160 --> 1:13:40.800 you get up from laying on the floor. And my 1:13:40.880 --> 1:13:44.800 hand touched my leg and it was wet, and so 1:13:45.520 --> 1:13:47.640 I didn't think it was spit. And I looked at 1:13:47.680 --> 1:13:50.800 him and I was like, oh, did you And he instantly, 1:13:50.960 --> 1:13:53.560 like the whole crew like burst out laughing at me 1:13:53.600 --> 1:13:55.439 over that because I was convinced for a second that. 1:13:55.439 --> 1:13:56.479 He went all the way. 1:13:56.560 --> 1:13:58.839 I don't think we are going to got that because 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:01.600 really hard going to love that story. 1:14:02.040 --> 1:14:05.040 Okay, good, but also for but he'd have been nude 1:14:05.040 --> 1:14:06.200 on that show so much? 1:14:06.400 --> 1:14:08.280 Do you have to sign a clause every episode that 1:14:08.280 --> 1:14:08.920 you're nude? 1:14:09.080 --> 1:14:10.400 I guess so. 1:14:10.840 --> 1:14:13.680 I mean, I'm not Chris Maloney. Nobody asks me to 1:14:13.720 --> 1:14:14.880 take my clothes. 1:14:19.520 --> 1:14:23.880 Hi, welcome to our post mortem. I do I have 1:14:24.080 --> 1:14:25.559 I'm obsessed with Andy Powers. 1:14:25.600 --> 1:14:27.680 I will say that I know you. Did you ever 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:29.800 ask did you ask him the question about the boy band? 1:14:29.880 --> 1:14:30.960 Or did you not? I don't know. 1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:32.640 We when we were coming up with questions for him, 1:14:32.640 --> 1:14:34.040 you were like, I want to ask if he's ever been 1:14:34.040 --> 1:14:36.920 approached to being a boy band. No. 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:39.880 I probably got embarrassed, but he was great. 1:14:39.960 --> 1:14:43.479 And the tidbit with thinking Maloney came all over him 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:46.240 is a gift that will never leave us. 1:14:46.520 --> 1:14:48.760 The blogs need to pick that up. With Maloney's butt 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:50.519 doing what it's doing in the press, I think we 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:54.480 need to hear about that. I guess from this episode, 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:58.680 I learned that there are psychotic people working in all 1:14:58.760 --> 1:15:02.080 kinds of professions. I mean, and like stripping off killing 1:15:02.120 --> 1:15:03.920 people so that you can save them and feel good 1:15:03.920 --> 1:15:07.840 about yourself is truly, that's another level it is. 1:15:07.920 --> 1:15:10.599 Yeah, I think I learned that if a nurse makes 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:14.880 little jokes about the patients dying, she should get a review. 1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:18.559 Yeah, yeah, that's red flag city. Yeah. I don't think 1:15:18.640 --> 1:15:21.600 it should just be let go. So I think I 1:15:21.680 --> 1:15:23.120 learned that. Yeah. 1:15:23.160 --> 1:15:25.680 And if you're like dating a woman who is you 1:15:25.760 --> 1:15:28.080 work with, and she gets turned on by you doing 1:15:28.160 --> 1:15:31.519 chest compressions on people, or tries to do chest compressions 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:34.160 in a sexual way for you, I know she sounds 1:15:34.160 --> 1:15:35.720 like freaky and fun, but I think you need to 1:15:35.760 --> 1:15:36.040 move on. 1:15:36.479 --> 1:15:38.840 I would say, like, don't bring a friend to a 1:15:38.880 --> 1:15:41.479 party that's gonna burn your grandmother's crotch. 1:15:42.400 --> 1:15:44.559 You know, I don't really feel like the show gave 1:15:44.640 --> 1:15:47.280 that enough weight. He's like, I just freaked out and 1:15:47.280 --> 1:15:50.120 then I burned. It's like on her chest. Maybe I 1:15:50.160 --> 1:15:53.599 could almost get that, but then you I just I can't. 1:15:53.760 --> 1:15:54.879 It's whatever. 1:15:55.080 --> 1:15:55.400 I mean. 1:15:56.120 --> 1:15:59.479 Also, if you go into a garbage can maybe wear 1:15:59.520 --> 1:16:01.639 some booty, I would say that, and. 1:16:01.680 --> 1:16:03.960 Be kind to old people, for fuck's sake. 1:16:04.000 --> 1:16:06.160 Stop trying to get your grandma to write you checks 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:08.160 and shit when she doesn't know where she is. 1:16:08.720 --> 1:16:10.920 No, my friend, Ken, you still have a funny joke 1:16:11.040 --> 1:16:13.759 where it's like some old lady was like, you pray 1:16:13.880 --> 1:16:16.880 on the elderly, and he went, ma'am, everyone prays on 1:16:16.920 --> 1:16:22.280 the elderly. And I always laugh about that. But yeah, 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:25.080 people are so not nice to old people. It's really 1:16:25.120 --> 1:16:30.240 fucked up. And the whole living assist like that whole 1:16:30.280 --> 1:16:31.960 like nursing homes and is that I don't know what 1:16:32.040 --> 1:16:33.200 to say, what is it? 1:16:33.320 --> 1:16:35.360 I mean, well, there's a different I mean there is 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:37.919 nursing homes and then there's like assisted living. Like assisted 1:16:37.920 --> 1:16:39.840 living is you're a little bit more independent and like 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:42.000 you can kind of go on and like do your day. 1:16:42.040 --> 1:16:43.760 You have like your own apartment and stuff. This is 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:46.479 probably more of a nursing home actually, now that I 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:47.280 say it so. 1:16:47.439 --> 1:16:50.360 For me, it's just so twisted that it's like a 1:16:50.400 --> 1:16:53.320 money making thing and people are cutting corners of like 1:16:53.360 --> 1:16:55.840 the end of someone's life, trying to fuck them over, 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:58.960 and it's just really sad. 1:17:00.160 --> 1:17:01.360 I don't like it at all. 1:17:01.520 --> 1:17:04.639 Definitely, and I feel like this one is a little 1:17:04.640 --> 1:17:06.599 bit I haven't actually seen it, but have you seen 1:17:06.600 --> 1:17:07.840 that movie? I care a lot. 1:17:08.240 --> 1:17:10.920 No, but I watched Tricksie and Katia watch it on 1:17:10.960 --> 1:17:12.760 their Netflix show and talk about it. 1:17:12.800 --> 1:17:14.519 I want to watch it. But I think that this 1:17:14.640 --> 1:17:17.600 also has to do with like elder abuse and just 1:17:17.680 --> 1:17:19.960 kind of timely this episode, like talking about this episode 1:17:20.000 --> 1:17:23.439 because that movie's been getting like award nominations and stuff. 1:17:23.479 --> 1:17:27.120 I hated it. I hated it so much. I'm so 1:17:27.240 --> 1:17:28.439 curious after you watch it. 1:17:28.479 --> 1:17:30.640 I'm gonna watch. I'm gonna watch. Just watch Tricksie and 1:17:30.720 --> 1:17:32.200 Katya watch it. I think it's enough. 1:17:32.400 --> 1:17:34.280 They show you the endding, they show you all the 1:17:34.280 --> 1:17:37.560 good stuff. They show you some Diane Weese highlights. 1:17:37.760 --> 1:17:41.160 We also learned that Bess's son, the actor Jay Thomas, 1:17:41.240 --> 1:17:44.280 has passed away, and we were talking harshly about his 1:17:44.400 --> 1:17:46.559 character in the show, but a very great actor and 1:17:47.320 --> 1:17:48.599 we hope he's resting in peace. 1:17:48.920 --> 1:17:52.479 And also the woman who plays Bitsy Bitsy or It's 1:17:52.520 --> 1:17:57.080 the main ways Bess, she was like in Freda's Stare movies. 1:17:57.240 --> 1:18:01.200 She is so she was very acomplished so many credits 1:18:01.240 --> 1:18:03.439 and was like a dancer in the heyday of that 1:18:03.520 --> 1:18:04.559 kind of movie. 1:18:04.960 --> 1:18:07.560 Still alive, I believe yes. 1:18:07.800 --> 1:18:11.120 Okay, So Annalise edit it so I didn't talk about 1:18:11.160 --> 1:18:12.000 her in the past tense. 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:17.360 She is killing it. Don't be too. 1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:21.479 Nice, Yeah, too polite, too fake, too friendly. Something's up 1:18:21.600 --> 1:18:23.559 under there, you know what I mean? Does that don't 1:18:23.560 --> 1:18:24.040 make sense? 1:18:24.560 --> 1:18:25.960 No, what a part are you talking about? 1:18:26.120 --> 1:18:29.160 Like Mary Kay place was very much like, Oh, I'm 1:18:29.200 --> 1:18:30.559 just here to take care of everyone. 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:33.599 That's shit, that's not I don't trust politeness. I don't. 1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:34.920 I don't need that in my life. 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:36.880 If you're putting on some kind of nice act, you 1:18:37.000 --> 1:18:39.000 got a lot to hide and I see right through it. 1:18:39.600 --> 1:18:41.160 I hope you helped Jared pick out a home for 1:18:41.280 --> 1:18:42.920 me one day, because sounds like you're not going to 1:18:42.960 --> 1:18:43.519 take any shit. 1:18:43.720 --> 1:18:46.960 No, I'm I no, hopefully not. I mean my parents 1:18:46.960 --> 1:18:48.599 constantly like, please don't put us in a home. 1:18:48.800 --> 1:18:50.360 My mom's been saying, please don't put me in a 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:51.639 home my entire life. 1:18:51.640 --> 1:18:51.840 To me. 1:18:52.200 --> 1:18:54.559 We used to volunteer at a nursing home together and 1:18:54.560 --> 1:18:55.920 she'd be like, please don't put me in here. 1:18:55.920 --> 1:18:56.160 Please. 1:18:56.200 --> 1:18:58.080 It was like one of the nicest ones too. It 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:01.880 was like a nice one in my town. No, it's 1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:04.960 fucked well. It was a great episode and we learned 1:19:05.000 --> 1:19:08.200 a lot. Now let's move into our what would Sister 1:19:08.280 --> 1:19:12.120 Peg Do? Segment? This is our weekly segment where we 1:19:12.200 --> 1:19:17.200 point you towards some resources, books, articles, people that can 1:19:17.479 --> 1:19:19.240 help give you a little bit more information about some 1:19:19.280 --> 1:19:23.120 of the topics that we've touched on today. So the 1:19:23.240 --> 1:19:27.000 character in Vulnerable Best, I don't believe she actually is 1:19:27.080 --> 1:19:29.800 diagnosed with Alzheimer's, but we are going to direct you 1:19:29.840 --> 1:19:33.519 to the Alzheimer's Association to an info sheet they have 1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:37.280 about abuse, types of elder abuse, signs of it, how 1:19:37.280 --> 1:19:41.439 to report it. The website is www dot alz dot org, 1:19:41.600 --> 1:19:44.760 where you can obviously donate and learn more about Alzheimer's, 1:19:44.800 --> 1:19:47.800 but the specific link to this info sheet will be 1:19:47.880 --> 1:19:48.799 in our show notes. 1:19:49.040 --> 1:19:53.000 And my little cousin in California created a charity called 1:19:53.040 --> 1:19:57.560 Care for the Givers Project and it helps support caregivers 1:19:57.600 --> 1:20:01.800 of loved ones that have Alzheimer's and dementia. So it's 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:04.880 about like self care and caring for the people that care. 1:20:05.000 --> 1:20:08.320 Because his grandpa died this past year. 1:20:08.200 --> 1:20:11.880 That's really cool that he started his own organization. We'll 1:20:11.880 --> 1:20:13.760 put both of those in our show notes, so you'll 1:20:13.800 --> 1:20:15.160 have all that info there. 1:20:15.320 --> 1:20:17.880 I think you'll be excited about this. Yeah. 1:20:18.000 --> 1:20:20.639 I didn't even plan on this, but here I am 1:20:20.680 --> 1:20:23.720 just being a great a relative, the best cousin of 1:20:23.760 --> 1:20:26.760 all time. All right, and next week's episode is going 1:20:26.800 --> 1:20:30.680 to be Identity. You've called and we are responding. It 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:35.000 is season six, episode twelve, Identity. You can obviously get that, 1:20:35.280 --> 1:20:39.840 as we always tell you on Peacock on Hulu, buy 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:44.320 the DVDs and yeah, email us, message us, keep talking 1:20:44.360 --> 1:20:44.720 to us. 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:47.200 I did get a message from someone saying I love 1:20:47.240 --> 1:20:49.600 the way you say peacock, and I'm like, I gotta go. 1:20:52.400 --> 1:20:54.120 That's like I called you out this weekend for how 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:58.080 you say vodka. You say vodka, but you are Russian, 1:20:58.160 --> 1:21:01.120 so I think you probably are right. That's all for 1:21:01.240 --> 1:21:07.760 us today, guys. We'll see you next week. 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