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Speaker 1: This is Let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. Hi guys,

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Speaker 1: this is let's be clear with Shannon Doherty. And today

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Speaker 1: I have on what's probably my absolute favorite ex boyfriend

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Speaker 1: of all time, Rob Wise.

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Speaker 2: That's very sweet, thank you.

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Speaker 3: It's true though, You're my favorite really. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I always say that you were like the one person

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Speaker 1: I dated that was truly a good guy and smart

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Speaker 1: and funny and talented creative. You inspired me a lot.

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Speaker 1: And we were together for a freaking long time, seven

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Speaker 1: and a half years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think every.

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Speaker 4: Decade it goes up another half year we were together.

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Speaker 4: I think you're like, we were together eight years, you

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Speaker 4: know now, well, you know I feel the same way

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Speaker 4: about you. It's it's kind of crazy, you know, that's

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Speaker 4: so much time past and how young we were, and

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Speaker 4: you know, we're like the.

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Speaker 3: Kids there were kids.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, how many real relationships does

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Speaker 4: somebody get in their lifetime, you know? I mean, I

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Speaker 4: mean I've had a handful, You've had a handful. They're

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Speaker 4: obviously big chapters, you know, and each one of those

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Speaker 4: chapters teaches you something about life, sometimes good, sometimes bad.

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Speaker 3: But no, Yeah, but you.

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Speaker 1: Were the one that I don't like even my parents

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Speaker 1: liked you sometimes most of the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were they were dope.

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Speaker 4: I love them, but you know, like they were as

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Speaker 4: happy as you were happy, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: Like if you were kind of like I'm out of here,

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Speaker 4: they were carrying the boxes.

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Speaker 2: You so. But I always like your.

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Speaker 4: Dad your mom's Your mom's a little more like if

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Speaker 4: I remember correctly, she was more like the Mama Bear tiger.

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Speaker 4: She was quicker to be like that. Your dad was

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Speaker 4: always chill, yes, Like I always had a good vibe

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Speaker 4: with Tom. He was a solid cat.

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Speaker 2: A good soul, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm gonna try to get you to cry,

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Speaker 4: like five minutes into your own podcast.

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Speaker 1: I want to do it today. Yeah, my mom definitely

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Speaker 1: Mama Bear. But also do you remember when we, like

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Speaker 1: my mom and I came, we painted the house of course,

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Speaker 1: like she loved doing like she and she wanted to

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Speaker 1: see your you know, reaction, and she was excited.

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Speaker 3: You guys got along really well.

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Speaker 2: No. I really appreciate Rosa.

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Speaker 4: You know, she's a really really strong person given all

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Speaker 4: the things she's been through, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 4: she a lot heaped on so of you.

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Speaker 2: You know, you come from a very strong.

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Speaker 4: Stock of people. Yeah, I don't think people. I think

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Speaker 4: people know, like people always knew you were strong, super vocal, tough,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think they necessarily understood the forty two dude,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean? And how good you guys

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Speaker 4: are at obstacles.

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Speaker 3: So we are pretty good at obstacles.

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Speaker 1: Will either jump over it or just plow straight through it,

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Speaker 1: regardless of how much we get hurt.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: The older I get, I'm sure I just want to

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Speaker 4: ignore it, you know what I mean. I'm like, wait, what,

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Speaker 4: I didn't even see that and I didn't notice that

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Speaker 4: it was happening.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm now way more aware of everything, like

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Speaker 1: with age and but I but I avoid the obstacles instead.

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Speaker 3: Of plowing through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing.

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Speaker 3: It's just what's the point.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just how much conflict in one person deal with?

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Speaker 2: You know. It's like, I mean, I guess a lot,

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Speaker 1: So I think we met in ninety four.

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Speaker 4: I want to say, well, it's kind of crazy actually,

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Speaker 4: because that's not fully accurate ninety three. It's it's kind

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Speaker 4: of it's a little bit more like I want to

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Speaker 4: say kind of like fortuitous, like cosmic y because I

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Speaker 4: came out on vacation in the early nineties, like ninety one.

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Speaker 2: It had to be like ninety one. And again I

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Speaker 4: I was like fourteen or twelve whatever it was, and

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Speaker 4: that wasn't well. But I was at Ball one and

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Speaker 4: the time nine o two and zero had just started airing.

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Speaker 2: I knew who you were, you know. I went back home.

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Speaker 4: Then I made amongst friends, which was you know, I

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Speaker 4: was already in the process of wanting to go into

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Speaker 4: so I already knew I was going to do that.

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Speaker 4: But I think that particular trip in general and the

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Speaker 4: culture of LA at that time and the business and

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Speaker 4: the people I met was really inspiring to me. Present

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Speaker 4: company included and then made the movie Went to Sundance.

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Speaker 4: Was like successful, moved to LA and then you knew people.

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Speaker 2: I knew people. I don't really mention anymore. But you

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Speaker 4: Knew, and somehow you were like you said to that person, like,

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Speaker 4: oh you know that guy who made that movie, and

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Speaker 4: they were like, yeah, that's the guy you met at

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Speaker 4: ball one light.

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Speaker 2: Two years ago.

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Speaker 4: You were married at the time, and then we just

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Speaker 4: kind of started to see each other around, you know

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Speaker 4: ninety four and then yeah, we started dating.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, so what I remember is, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Dating back then was different, by the way, and if

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Speaker 4: we're going to call it out, which called it out.

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Speaker 4: Dating back then was like you went and hung out

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Speaker 4: somebody if you liked them. You were just like in

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Speaker 4: just like cool, I'm gonna go get my shit, I'll

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Speaker 4: be back here and I'll just live here, you know,

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Speaker 4: or vice versa, which just basically was with us.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was, yeah, you know, like I left

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Speaker 1: the first husband and we'd been I guess separated for

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Speaker 1: I don't know a couple of months or six months

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Speaker 1: mutual friend. Yeah, brought you came over.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you have no right exactly.

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Speaker 4: You guys had like I remember drinking, like you know,

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Speaker 4: I was like twenty five or something. I think we

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Speaker 4: would drinking jack Dang. I was probably playing like you

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Speaker 4: were drinking games. Yeah, it was fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we Yeah, we hooked up and stayed together for

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Speaker 1: ten years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like nine and a half years. It

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Speaker 2: was a nine and a half year of relationship.

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Speaker 3: It was seven and a half years that we were

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Speaker 2: No, it was.

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Speaker 4: Definitely seven years because you were only like twenty two

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Speaker 4: at the time. It was right before your twenty third birthday,

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Speaker 4: so and I'm four years old, so I was twenty six. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it was like twenty three twenty seven was our age thing.

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Speaker 4: And I think we would we did that until the

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Speaker 4: thirties or something on my thirties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a heavy duty seven years.

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Speaker 1: I mean that's a long I think for for that

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Speaker 1: then getting fired from nine oh and dealing with that

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Speaker 4: Yeah that I never went to you evere riddled with insecurity.

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Speaker 4: I had so much fear I couldn't pull a trigger

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Speaker 4: on another thing, Like if I didn't go to therapy,

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't be in this business now, like if I

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Speaker 4: didn't like get to the bottom of mice.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I think like the two of us were just like

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Speaker 3: Think we were. Although you wrote milk Bar.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, I wasn't like and I wasn't out of

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Speaker 1: I just remember how roud I was of you because

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Speaker 4: I was like, yeah, you know what's crazy is we

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Speaker 4: still talk about that project is now it would be.

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Speaker 2: Just an epic period piece. But I was functional.

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Speaker 4: I don't mean to apply that like like I was

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Speaker 4: I definitely wasn't the failure that I felt like I

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Speaker 4: pretty seismic adjustment to go through. So yeah, but I

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Speaker 2: Together, such a couple of shows, like I was act, you.

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Speaker 4: I was going to do American Psycho. That's right, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean it was, it was. It was a great

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Speaker 4: great also, which we've seen over the last twenty years

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Speaker 4: that dissected and take it apart. But creatively, it felt

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Speaker 3: You know, right, Being that young that might have.

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Speaker 4: Factored into it. Also, maybe it's less about the period

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Speaker 4: And I think we watched Clerks together, and it was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we went to the What the Spirit

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you were the one.

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Speaker 1: Who introduced me to the whole like independent film world thing.

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Speaker 1: You were like, listen, it doesn't matter if you got

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Speaker 4: Didn't like me anyway, because like I just fell between

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Speaker 4: a crack man. That movie was like my mashup of

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Speaker 4: like nine O two and zero meets Goodfellas, right, so

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Speaker 4: it was like pretty kids in Long Island acting like gangsters.

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Speaker 4: So indie purists, even though it was a super indie film,

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Speaker 4: this guy, he's he's not an artist or he's not

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Speaker 4: high art enough, and commercial world, the commercial world was

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Speaker 4: to be you know, artsy, I think you know. So henceforth,

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Speaker 4: how we wound up with that Spirit Awards, you know,

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Speaker 1: We have a lot of history and again in a

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Speaker 2: I look good, you look really good.

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Speaker 4: Look at myself on this thing, but I want to

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Speaker 3: I'm all right, Yeah, your angles are great.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Like this's a crazy shit we would do. But

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Speaker 2: You mean that people's expectations.

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Speaker 2: Things in life, you know. So if you don't like

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Speaker 4: I don't remember the exact scenario, but you know, it's

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Speaker 3: And it doesn't mean I don't want a relationships.

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Speaker 4: Like my son's mother is the single most we were

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Speaker 4: There is no woman that I'm going to date that's

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Speaker 4: It's just it's just the way it is, like I

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Speaker 4: much of that's love, you know, supposedly you love his

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00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 4: ego lists? How much of its codependency?

445
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

446
00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:22,280
Speaker 4: There's so many other factors, yeah, in life that play

447
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 4: into what you feel and what you think you need

448
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:30,840
Speaker 4: that you know, the evidence that I have and have

449
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 4: love for you is the fact I'm sitting here doing

450
00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 4: this with you right that. You know, we broke up

451
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 4: twenty some more years ago and there's never been a

452
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,399
Speaker 4: day where like where I wouldn't take your back, you

453
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 4: know what I mean, Like, that's just that's the reality.

454
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 4: And I'm not the only X you have that feels

455
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 4: that way, because I know Rick feels that way about

456
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,480
Speaker 4: you too, So I don't know about all the other exes.

457
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: But they probably that way so well.

458
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,080
Speaker 1: And you guys are really the you know, I was

459
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,960
Speaker 1: telling you earlier that less Need was on the podcast,

460
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 1: and we have categories that he uses for when he

461
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: drafts right and one of those categories was like buyer

462
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: beware and another one, which is obviously the lowest one

463
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,679
Speaker 1: and then the highest one is a math changer, like

464
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,600
Speaker 1: somebody who really comes in and changes things, like that

465
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,280
Speaker 1: player that you really really want.

466
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 3: And I said that you were the math changer.

467
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: I was like, Rob was always a math changer, like

468
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,639
Speaker 1: he was just you know, yes, we were young, and

469
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 1: there were some mistakes made here and there, but you

470
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: were the math changer. I think you still are. And

471
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: then Rick, who you obviously know, I still adore. I

472
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 1: love him, he loves me, just like our relationship he

473
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: was in there.

474
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 4: Beware well, he has different demons than me, you know

475
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 4: what I mean.

476
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 2: He's a solid.

477
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 1: Cat, and he's solid I mean, but he's just a

478
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: guy too.

479
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 2: You know, there's a lot to like about Rick.

480
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,880
Speaker 4: Again, I don't know him super super well, but every

481
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 4: exchange I've ever had.

482
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 2: With the guy a crack off. I think he's dope.

483
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:05,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, But you know, we all bring something to the

484
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 4: table of a relationship, and that is ourselves, for good.

485
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: And bad, and you know, and.

486
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,920
Speaker 3: And it's also what you learn from the other person, right,

487
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:14,440
Speaker 3: I mean.

488
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 4: Sometimes it's just what you learned by like proxy, right,

489
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 4: Like what you see, what I see you go through,

490
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 4: what you see me going through? You know how I

491
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 4: deal with that versus how you might deal with it.

492
00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 2: Right.

493
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 4: We get to have these experiences that are kind of shared,

494
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 4: even if they're not really.

495
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: Both people's experiences. You know, it's like.

496
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 4: It's I mean, some of the biggest lessons of my life.

497
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 4: I think we're watching things happen to other people. You know,

498
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 4: it's like my dad. My dad passed away too. Ironically,

499
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: I didn't even tell you this, but doctor Chu took

500
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 4: out my dad's brain tumor.

501
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,879
Speaker 2: Really yeah, and I love that guy. It was awesome.

502
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 4: But but you know, watching that year of what my

503
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 4: dad was going through taught me about you know what

504
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: I mean, mostly.

505
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: About mortality and how to look at that. You know.

506
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: But your dad was a little bit like my dad

507
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: in the sense of like these big guys who you

508
00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: just thought they were like indestructible, I mean they were

509
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 1: and sort of larger than life. In a way, your

510
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,360
Speaker 1: dad was definitely larger than life.

511
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: They were.

512
00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 4: They were old school East Coast dudes. A day was

513
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 4: a Jersey guy, my dad a Brooklyn guy. I mean

514
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 4: they were, you know, they were.

515
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: Get over here. A kid like your dad almost.

516
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 4: Probably certainly be. And I mean, again, I love my dad.

517
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: I miss him.

518
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 2: He was you know, he was.

519
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 4: He served in the military. He was definitely a tougher

520
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 4: street cat. But he would one hundred percent be categorized

521
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 4: that's a toxic man, not even a doubt, you know,

522
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 4: by today's like criteria. He was like straight up cigarettes,

523
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 4: smoke out and they have a quit until you know,

524
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 4: he had lung cancer and died. You want a cigarette

525
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 4: the smoke of cigarette again as long as I lived.

526
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,160
Speaker 4: But you know, they were a different breed a man

527
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 4: that were that was born in the forties, fifties.

528
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: It was just different. Everything's different, you know.

529
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: And it's I loved him so much. When I saw

530
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: him at the hospital, it was.

531
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 2: Like he was so he started to cry when you

532
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: showed up. Yeah, he was like yeah, it was it was.

533
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 3: That'll make me cry just talking about your dad and

534
00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 3: showing up the hut.

535
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: Hey man, I was yeah, And I remember being at

536
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 2: your dad's.

537
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 4: Funeral and then you see me and starting to cry

538
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 4: and it was like heavy, man, there's.

539
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 3: Heavy a lot together.

540
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 4: Well that but that's the amazing thing about love and

541
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,239
Speaker 4: friendship and history with each other is like you know

542
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 4: the times to pop in and now you know what

543
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 4: I mean. Even when you said, hey, would you come

544
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,719
Speaker 4: on the Potos, like, of course I'd come on your podcast,

545
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 4: You're like really, I'm.

546
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, of course, I mean, you know, why wouldn't I.

547
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 3: You know, so yeah, I mean it's not like I

548
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: want to get up.

549
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 2: And hug you at him on the podcast, I'm crying.

550
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not like I would have every you know, excellon,

551
00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: but like you and are significant to me, and also

552
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: because I still adore both of you, and I still

553
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: always I walk away from either a phone conversation or

554
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: seeing you in person with something different, whether I've learned

555
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 1: something or a new feeling or I always view things

556
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 1: as like we have these little invisible strings right right

557
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: that sort of stretch out forever, and when you find

558
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: someone that you connect with on that soul level that

559
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: we were talking about, that string always stays there. Maybe

560
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: it's not as thick as it was, but it's always

561
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,919
Speaker 1: You're still always.

562
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: Tethered together in some way, shape or form.

563
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: So, by the way, before I forget this for the

564
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: people listening who were always asking where my pre wore

565
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 1: a diamond heart necklace, you guys, the diamond heart necklace

566
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: Uncharmed that prew wre was a gift from Rob.

567
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 2: Do you want an the craziest thing.

568
00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 4: I was at Quinnox They, for whatever reason, at the

569
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 4: times I'm in there in the morning, they're running Charmed.

570
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 4: And this is maybe a couple of weeks ago, and

571
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 4: I was watching you and I saw that necklace and

572
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I gave her that fucking necklace

573
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 4: I remembers so crazy.

574
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: There's somebody on Instagram who breaks down all of like

575
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,800
Speaker 1: the wardrobe from the show episode and she keeps them

576
00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 1: mentioning the diamond.

577
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 2: That's cool, man, let's cool you still have that.

578
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: I have like some things you gave me too that

579
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: I think I actually cleaned them like a year ago.

580
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 2: Like there was just something.

581
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 4: Like really cool silver necklaces and rings, and it's kind

582
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: of you know, I don't really wear much jewelry, but

583
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: it is kind of funny that I've always tattoos. You

584
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 4: had a tattoo with my name on it. They called

585
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 4: up with a bunch of flowers, which totally, by the way,

586
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: I thought it was crazy got my name to begin with.

587
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:05,120
Speaker 2: So I was.

588
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 4: Like, right, exactly, any gay name. I didn't have tattoos,

589
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 4: and back then you probably were like, yeah, my name,

590
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 4: and I was like, nah, baby, I'm a Jew.

591
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: I can't do that. My dad. My dad would have

592
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 2: but nobody could tell.

593
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 4: But like sleeved on like both arms, my chest. You know,

594
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: so if we had been together back then, I'd probably

595
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 4: have like a giant shannon across my neck or something.

596
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: You know, It's never too late.

597
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 2: Rob, maybe you.

598
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,959
Speaker 4: Know what it's you know what I could potentially get

599
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: a portrait, you know, I just may like, yobro, what

600
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 4: do you have the nine or two and over in

601
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: your back?

602
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: You know?

603
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: Do you have any space on your back?

604
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: Left? My back is empty. I just it started.

605
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: I got my son's name when my son was born,

606
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 4: and I put like a little diamond over it as

607
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 4: like like symbolism for his mom, which is just a

608
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: funny story anyway, like she would do stuff like it.

609
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 4: I'd be like to scroll such a gem like but

610
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 4: I would you kind of CLUSI sarcastically, and then it

611
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: actually stuck is her nickname in a loving way where

612
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 4: she's the gym.

613
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 2: She's the gym, right, So.

614
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 4: I put like the diamond for her, because I've never

615
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 4: put anybody's names on me, just called eto like alf

616
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: my son, right.

617
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 2: And then then my dog died. Then Moses died.

618
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: The story I told you about pre thing where you know,

619
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 4: So then I put his portrait. So then I'm like

620
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: I had to two of them, and mister Cartoon is

621
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: a very well known tattoo artist, did them. And I

622
00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 4: was going to him and I was going to like

623
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 4: join them together. I don't even know what I was thinking.

624
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 4: But as I'm driving there, I'm like, wait, I got

625
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 4: like the one of the most famous tattoo artists in

626
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 4: the world, and I keep doing things on my chest

627
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 4: with nobody could see him. So I was like, hey, man,

628
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: what do you think about doing something on the arm,

629
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 4: And he was like, yo, the arm is prime real

630
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 4: estate for a tattoo artist. So they start the arm

631
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 4: and once you start the arm, you start looking at it.

632
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: You like, I need to do more.

633
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: So then I did the whole arm with multiple things.

634
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 4: Everything on there means something to me. And then I

635
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 4: would look in the mirror and I'd.

636
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: Be like, oh and sleep.

637
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 4: It's so weird, Like my brain is crazy. So that

638
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 4: I started this leave and it's pretty much dumb.

639
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 3: I wanted like symmetry and in it, Yeah.

640
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,800
Speaker 2: That's possible. With this, It's like it's partially addicted.

641
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 4: It's addictive, but it's also partially designed, where like something's

642
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 4: not right, but if it ain't right, like you got

643
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 4: a problem because you're like covering up, which you know,

644
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 4: it's not like you can move it around, but you know,

645
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 4: anywhow I mean.

646
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: I want one like right down my side really well, yeah,

647
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: I've been wanting it for my dad's name, and like, oh, I.

648
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: Get the guys to do it. I have such great

649
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: guys to do that.

650
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: I just I'm like, yeah, it's all right, I don't

651
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: need it. It's also once you get you know, I'm like,

652
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I can't get infections. Like there's a whole not that

653
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: you're going to get something from attach.

654
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: Is it going to take like some like Alley tattoo Paul?

655
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,719
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, my friend's great, he does it, does it?

656
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: Does it out of the back of his fucking surf

657
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 4: wagon and Venice Beach take you.

658
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: I have friends with like great, great. I mean my.

659
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: Tattoo now looks like it looks like an anchor, so

660
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: I look like Popeye.

661
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,120
Speaker 2: Oh that's right, because you had the thing underneath and

662
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 2: you had to cross exactly.

663
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: And then I have to put the band of flowers

664
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Speaker 1: to cover your name, so it looks like an anchor.

665
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Speaker 1: It's so embarrassing. I try to wear pants most of

666
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Speaker 1: the time, so.

667
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: It probably looks great. If you got a sailor out

668
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Speaker 2: and on.

669
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the one like one of these like

670
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 4: little navy shirts.

671
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: Halloween when I when I'm dressed as Popeye.

672
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're adorable. You're fine, you can afford the bad tattoo.

673
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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you a really hard question. You

674
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: don't have to answer it. What do you think was

675
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: sort of our greatest moment?

676
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: O greatest thing?

677
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: It's really hard, Yeah, a couple Like what time period?

678
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Speaker 4: I mean, you know what, this weird thing just flashed

679
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 4: And I don't even the weather came from. Like I

680
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 4: don't know about great moments also our best but I

681
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: remember you and me, and I have no idea why

682
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 4: this memory just popped into my head. The miniu as bad.

683
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 4: You and me were in Venice, Italy. It was late

684
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 4: at night. You were like, let's go get something to

685
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 4: eat wherever we're staying. I don't know why we couldn't

686
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 4: just order something to the room, but you're like, let's

687
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: go get something eat. And for whatever reason, the streets

688
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 4: were dead right, and we started walking and walking down

689
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 4: like kind of cowbostone now streets, and some guy who

690
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 4: was like started to talk to us, but I don't

691
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 4: remember like if he even like he's like knew very

692
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: little English. You're like, oh, we want food to say,

693
00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 4: He's like he's like, yeah, come this way, so we

694
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 4: start walking. Then another guy kind of comes out. That

695
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 4: guy starts speaking to that guy in Italian. I don't

696
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 4: understand what they're saying. That guy starts following us. One

697
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 4: guy's leading us, one guy's following us. Nobody else is around.

698
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 4: I don't remember if there was a third guy, but

699
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: there were definitely the two guys. Guy there was a

700
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 4: third guy, and you look at me, you go, we'll

701
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 4: definitely get rolled.

702
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 2: And I go like this.

703
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 5: I go, I go what And you go, we'll get

704
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 5: rolled or something like that, and I'm like, holy shit,

705
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 5: we'll get robbed in Venice by like these three dudes

706
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 5: that like we can't communicate with.

707
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 2: So I'm like all right.

708
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 4: But it was like you and me in this like

709
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 4: crazy little what are we gonna do? Kind of Bonnie

710
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 4: and Clyde ESK, except you know, back then I was

711
00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 4: probably like soap neronic.

712
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: Oh my god, this is crazy. So I remember we

713
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: followed this kid, and we think, well, what's the plan,

714
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 2: what's the plan, what's the playing? And then all of

715
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: a sudden a restaurant appeared.

716
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Speaker 4: It was like the only like twenty four Yeah, it

717
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 4: was like the only twenty four hour restaurant thing that

718
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: was like open.

719
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Speaker 2: But I don't know, man, we had.

720
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Speaker 4: Like some fun cool shit, like you know, road trips

721
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 4: and like, I mean like we had fun to find.

722
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: I mean, we definitely had bad moments like we would

723
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 4: go to war, but we had good lovely moments too.

724
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Speaker 2: You know. And I mean there's just a lot of

725
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: good stuff.

726
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: I like, I love that whole you know, the whole

727
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: stort of Europe trip.

728
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: Well, the best is we got there. And so again

729
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Speaker 2: I think.

730
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Speaker 4: We have to reiterate to but we were super young

731
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 4: at that time. We're like still twenties. So they were like, hey,

732
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: we're going to go to Europe and rough it.

733
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Speaker 3: We'll get on a budget.

734
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you're like, do you guys want to go?

735
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 4: And you were like I'm going, You're coming. And I

736
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 4: was like, I'm not going on this trip. You're like

737
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: I'll get you some chrome heartship if you come, and

738
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 4: I was like remember that, yep. And I was like

739
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 4: all right, I'm in right, you know, so fashion.

740
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Speaker 2: Ward that I am or whatever.

741
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 4: So I So we go there and we go to

742
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Speaker 4: Amsterdam and like we're in like a youth hostel with

743
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 4: five I remember. We get in there and there's five

744
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 4: beds in a room and you're like, nah, bro now,

745
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 4: and you just like all of a sudden, you're flipping

746
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 4: the whole trip around all of a sudden in like

747
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 4: the sickest fucking places.

748
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 2: But that was you, man. You were like a boss

749
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: back then.

750
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 4: Like now everybody's famous at that time, Like you were

751
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 4: easily one of the more famous faces on the planet

752
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 4: at that time, you know, so it was like going anywhere,

753
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,319
Speaker 4: like in hindsight, those three guys were probably saying, you know,

754
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 4: it's a girl from nine O two and oh, and

755
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 4: they're like, oh, but like we didn't know.

756
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 2: That, but but you got that sense.

757
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: And it was like huge for me.

758
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 4: Like people in your office remembered me, yes, because you

759
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 4: went when we first started dating and I didn't go,

760
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: and you were setting like you had these videos that

761
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: were insane in Italy where people were like outside the

762
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 4: hotel and you know, you guys were global, like you know,

763
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 4: the the nine O two and oh cast,