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Speaker 3: I got a chat going on the substack that I'm

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Speaker 3: the other day breaking down film a first round pick

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Speaker 1: Why don't we start with kind of what's There's really

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Speaker 1: not a lot going on, but there is Phase two

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Speaker 1: going on. Have you learned anything since the draft about

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Speaker 1: this team? Signings non signings depth, the fact that they

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Speaker 1: added a wide receiver on a rookie tryout, and Campbell

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Speaker 1: just kind of what's happening in the Daniel Popp Rise

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Speaker 1: as you look at the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so out at Phase two practice earlier this week,

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Speaker 3: just kind of moseying about the sideline looking at guys.

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Speaker 3: You know, one big thing was like this whole Zion

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Speaker 3: fascinated to see what happens there as far as his transition,

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Speaker 3: you know, obviously, you know, my mind always goes to

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Speaker 3: the offensive line first, but you know, you start envisioning

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Speaker 3: Mkai Beckton and Joe Alt double teaming defensive linemen on

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Speaker 3: and your imagination starts to run wild a little bit.

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Speaker 2: And then you look at these receivers.

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Speaker 3: Man, you know, you see Justin Herbert throwing routes against air,

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Speaker 3: you know, to a couple of these rookies.

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Speaker 2: You look at Aronde Gadson their fifth round pick.

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Speaker 3: You know, you look at all these explosive pieces they

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Speaker 3: how different is this going to look this year compared

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Speaker 1: Yeah, kind of the one thing with this particular regime

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Speaker 1: and I look at it and it's just like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: doing the fifty three popper. I think the fifty threes.

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Speaker 1: Is it four running backs? Is it seven wide receivers?

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Speaker 1: So for me, it's if there's one position that I

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Speaker 1: I could see them looking for a better interior backup

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Speaker 1: Who can they get for that bargain or that that

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Speaker 1: you know late day three pick that they could you know,

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Speaker 1: the Elijah Molden deals that they were making, that they

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it sort of speaks to the depth

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Speaker 3: that that's the position group you bring up, and I

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Speaker 3: agree with you, but like your things. You know, sixth

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Speaker 3: offensive lineman and Trey Pipkins has started you know what,

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Speaker 3: forty something games in the league. Yeah, you know, your

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Speaker 3: your seventh offensive lineman, Jamari Salier has started at two

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Speaker 2: So like it, like it could be a lot worse.

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Speaker 3: Like, trust me, you and I have both covered this

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Speaker 3: a much much worse position on your offensive line than

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Speaker 3: they are in. But you know, I do agree with you,

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Speaker 3: and that's probably my biggest question, you know, heading into

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: And you can even throw Andre James in there. I

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Speaker 3: mean Andre James has started sixty games, right, yeah, So

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Speaker 3: does Zion Johnson look like at center? Is that actually

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Speaker 3: going to work out? How does left guard shake out?

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Speaker 3: Is Brandon Taylor a guy that we are overlooking here

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's all an idea right now, you know,

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Speaker 3: with that group specifically, it's like you don't really know

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Speaker 3: start seeing these guys actually work and play through contact

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Speaker 3: I've been saying it for for months. At this point,

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Speaker 3: right like on the on the free Asian market that

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Speaker 3: Right And if you're saying competitors welcome like you want

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, I think one thing it also tells you

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Speaker 1: I'm anxious to see how this Slater deal is is

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Speaker 1: don't know how that reconciles with this front office where

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Speaker 1: it's just and look, I've done this before, man. I

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Speaker 1: have done this dance with Derwin, I've done it with Bosa,

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Speaker 1: I've done it with Herbert, and ultimately it gets done.

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Speaker 1: We talked to Joe Ortiz last week and he said

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Speaker 1: course we're going to get Slater back. There's no doubt

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Speaker 1: So again I just for me, it's and there's no

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Speaker 3: I thought that that situation probably could have been handled

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Speaker 1: So I was wondering if I were in his camp,

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Speaker 1: just kind of look at you know, when you're trying

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Speaker 2: Just watch that. I don't I don't care about it.

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Speaker 3: Like if they're having questions about that because he doesn't

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Speaker 3: I think like from their eyes, like if McKai Beckton

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Speaker 3: I don't really have any questions about like what McKai

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Speaker 2: To me, it's like how many games are you going

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Speaker 1: I think when you tell you, now, look, Drake Greenlaw's

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Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm really buying it. Just yeah, and

434
00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,119
Speaker 1: there's and there's no reason for it other than it

435
00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,240
Speaker 1: was pretty pretty clunky for a handful of games there.

436
00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 1: It was really good looking for a couple of games there.

437
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,240
Speaker 1: I'm just not quite sure.

438
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was clunky until he played the Chargers that

439
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,880
Speaker 3: first time and almost started running around. Yeah how many

440
00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 3: times that happen to the Chargers, by the way, But

441
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,639
Speaker 3: next turns his season around against the Chargers. They obviously

442
00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:34,200
Speaker 3: win the game, but like they couldn't keep him in

443
00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,960
Speaker 3: the pocket. That for remember Jordan Love, Jordan Love was

444
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,200
Speaker 3: essentially going to be out of the league, and.

445
00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,240
Speaker 1: It was in one half. It was the second half

446
00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,800
Speaker 1: of that game where just busted coverage after busted coverage

447
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 1: and palms in the air and we're flying home from

448
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:51,479
Speaker 1: Green Bay and the charter going the hell was that?

449
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 2: Like?

450
00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 3: I literally had players in the Chargers locker room ask

451
00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,479
Speaker 3: me like, did we just like make that guy's career?

452
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 2: And I was like maybe.

453
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 3: I remember, like at the halftime of that game at LAMBA,

454
00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,040
Speaker 3: I remember having a conversation with Matt Schneidman, who covers

455
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 3: the Packers for us, and I'm really like, are they

456
00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 3: sure about this guy? Likely talking about Jordan Love after

457
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,800
Speaker 3: the first half, right, the second half happens, he leads

458
00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:13,880
Speaker 3: him back and then you.

459
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:17,240
Speaker 2: Know, the rest is history. You know, playoff run, et cetera.

460
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,840
Speaker 1: So but yeah, going back, I'm sorry, Papa, I was

461
00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 1: gonna say, unless you if you have something, I was

462
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: gonna say, just kind of going back to the old line.

463
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 1: I think it's also, you know, a signal from the

464
00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,400
Speaker 1: front office and the running backs they now have populating

465
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,719
Speaker 1: that room, you know, And I think even you hear

466
00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,680
Speaker 1: the way they talk about Rhene Sanders and here's another

467
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,520
Speaker 1: guy that's two hundred and twenty, two hundred and twenty

468
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,679
Speaker 1: five pounds. You know, they're all two twenty plus. I mean,

469
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:40,080
Speaker 1: now she's two forty, for God's sake. So it's clear

470
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,959
Speaker 1: there's this shift and they want these guys going this

471
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 1: way and not this way. And that's something we just

472
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:47,480
Speaker 1: did not see enough of last year.

473
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah.

474
00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, the running back room is is really solid. I

475
00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,760
Speaker 3: mean I think, like I know, there are there are

476
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 3: sections of the fan base that were like running back

477
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Speaker 3: at twenty two, and this is Omarion Hampton is going

478
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: to be a fan favorite by like week two, Like

479
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 3: he's gonna have one run in the opening game of

480
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,760
Speaker 3: the season where he just trucks a safety and people

481
00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 3: are and and by by the you know, by week three,

482
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 3: you know, there's gonna be a mari and Hampton jerseys everywhere.

483
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 3: Like I'm just I'm I'm very confident that this guy

484
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,800
Speaker 3: is going to be a difference making player. And you know,

485
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 3: you talk about last year right, like they did catch

486
00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,840
Speaker 3: lightning in a bottle a little bit with JK Dobbins,

487
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 3: But you know, he misses that big stretch of the season.

488
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 3: You know, he played thirteen games, but that those four

489
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: games he missed were really big.

490
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 2: You know, Gus Edwards was battling injuries.

491
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 3: They didn't really have the two headed monster that they

492
00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 3: were that they were hoping for when they when they

493
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 3: signed Gus and JK last year.

494
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: Nor did they.

495
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 3: Really have that like consistency. But I love the way

496
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 3: this room is fitting together. Like Naje Harris, they bring

497
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,760
Speaker 3: in like he is what he is, Like is he

498
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: a home run hitter or no, But like sometimes you

499
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: need guys that are contact hitters, that are doubles hitters.

500
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: You can hand off the ball and they're gonna go

501
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: get what's blocked for them, and they're gonna play with

502
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 3: a certain level of physicality and they're gonna be on

503
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: the field every week Like it's going to be seventeen games, durability, toughness,

504
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: like that's important, and then you go out and get

505
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 3: an explosive guy like Omar and Hampton, and now you're like,

506
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,399
Speaker 3: it's not like a Marion Hampton has to come in

507
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,480
Speaker 3: and be the number one back right away, like you

508
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 3: can hand it off de Naja Harris and O Marion

509
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 3: Hampton has time. But like it's a different looking backfield.

510
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,399
Speaker 3: It's a different looking backfield, and I think it's all

511
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 3: geared towards getting this offense to play within the philosophy

512
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 3: of Jim Harbaugh, Like you want to be able to

513
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 3: physically dominate and if the offensive line there, we'll see,

514
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 3: you know. I think if Mkai Beckton can stay in

515
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: the field that right side, it's pretty solid.

516
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: But I think it's been missing right like they've never

517
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,920
Speaker 1: been able to run right, Like it's it's we've been

518
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: like Myers, you're running left more and that is the

519
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: one thing. You know, Zion and Rashaan did a pretty

520
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 1: good job of blocking it up in the run game,

521
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:58,320
Speaker 1: and you saw production to that side. And then even

522
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 1: last year, I know we were just scratching our heads

523
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 1: like why can't they run right? Like what is going

524
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 1: on with this team and now with that pair that

525
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 1: that could certainly dramatically change this this offense and get

526
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: some defensive linemen on their heels instead of on their

527
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: toes so much, which we've seen for the last it

528
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: feels like three four years.

529
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

530
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:19,359
Speaker 3: Well the first question is why can't they run right?

531
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 3: And then later in the season is why are they

532
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: still running right?

533
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 1: Yeah? Exactly exactly right the.

534
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 2: Way.

535
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, you feel like the run game

536
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: is going to be improved just because of what the

537
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: backfield is. You know, a Marion Hampton is a guy

538
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 3: that's going to be able to make something out of

539
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 3: nothing in a.

540
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: Big way, very consistently.

541
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 3: JK did it at times last year, but it's you know,

542
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 3: Amari and Hampton's going to present a completely different animal,

543
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 3: I think in that regard. So I love what they've

544
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 3: done with the running back room. But you know, going

545
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 3: back to something you said earlier that I thought was

546
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 3: a good point, you know, it's a it's a deep roster.

547
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 3: I give them a lot of credit for building a

548
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 3: deep roster, but but where are those blue chips? I

549
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 3: think that's the big question, you know, And and they're

550
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,480
Speaker 3: going to need guys to step up into into those positions, right,

551
00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: Like I think you even look at edge rusher like

552
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: last year, you know, it was the strength of the

553
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,719
Speaker 3: defense and they built the defense around the edge rushers.

554
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 3: Now you lose Joey Bosa. You know, you still feel

555
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,040
Speaker 3: like cloon Mack can be a high level player. But

556
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: he's thirty four. You know who's stepping up in that

557
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,560
Speaker 3: room like toy Blow two is going to be you know,

558
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 3: starting players.

559
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Speaker 1: You have him ranked pop Popper on the Athletic Another

560
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:25,720
Speaker 1: reason why you should subscribe twenty to number one most

561
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 1: important Players for the upcoming Charger season. Where'd you put

562
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 1: two Lee? Because I would assume he's the top ten, right.

563
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's fringe eleven.

564
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:32,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

565
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know, me, I had four offensive

566
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: linemen in the top ten because I'm a psycho.

567
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,120
Speaker 3: But I mean I've watched enough football in my life

568
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 3: to know, like that's how you win football game.

569
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we watched it in Houston. Why it did.

570
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: But Tully to me is, you know, and I read it.

571
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make it sound like I did.

572
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,119
Speaker 1: And I read the articles. They're great, but I just

573
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,800
Speaker 1: remember him kind of being right there and me saying, yeah,

574
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: like Tuley's gotta this is Tooley's time though you know

575
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 1: you're you're now the guy. It's ew and Khalil and

576
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: we've seen those flashes and the November was it November

577
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: October last year where he had the wild production for

578
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: a month, like, let's see it, man, because it feels

579
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: like it's in there. Yeah.

580
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 3: So I wonder with Tully, like, because some people have

581
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 3: brought this up to me, like, do you think you know,

582
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 3: if he's if he's become if he becomes a starter

583
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 3: and he's not playing you know, three hundred to four

584
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 3: hundred special team snaps, does that impact you know, his

585
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 3: production because I think I think if they can find

586
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: other players, you know, if Kyle Canard takes over, for example,

587
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: his special team snaps, it.

588
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 1: Makes sense that he would, right based on how he's

589
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: built in the profile. I mean, it looks like Chris

590
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: Rump kind of you know sort of deal, right, a

591
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: little bigger. Yeah, well you could say that for just

592
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: about anybody. Sorry Chris.

593
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, so you know I wonder, you know, obviously

594
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 3: he has this opportunity to take over this number two

595
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 3: role and be a starter. You know, can they afford

596
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 3: to take some special teams off his plate so that

597
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 3: he's fresher on defense. And what does that mean for

598
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,359
Speaker 3: you know, his production? And you know, obviously like he

599
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,439
Speaker 3: produced last year, I don't know if like I think

600
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 3: it was eight and a half sacks, nine sacks something

601
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 3: like that. Yeah, I don't think he really played at

602
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 3: that level consistently. I actually thought his tape was better

603
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 3: as a rookie than a second year player. But I

604
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 3: could I could see an argument otherwise. So you know,

605
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 3: can can you get the consistent down to down, you know,

606
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 3: pass rush productivity from him with an increased roll on

607
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,719
Speaker 3: defense and maybe maybe taking some of that special teams

608
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: off his plate with other younger players moving into that role.

609
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,439
Speaker 1: I mean, geez, poor Ryan ficken Man, just his his

610
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: special team's got absolutely rated this offseason. But I think

611
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: also credit to Geortiz is you know, you bring Troy

612
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: Die back, and you you know, it looked like a

613
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: lot of these picks, you know, especially Mickens and Bridges

614
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: and Canard, like it feels like, okay, I can see, yeah,

615
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: these guys absolutely fit that profile. Dean Leonard still on

616
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,959
Speaker 1: the team, John Taylor, I believe, Yeah, they're up there,

617
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 1: both still on the team, so at least you still

618
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: have some core for stalwarts you know out there that

619
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: that can help. I think you know a guy that

620
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: I could totally see being one of those core four guys,

621
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: and it's just such fun tape to watch the splash

622
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 1: plays is Steve Oklotts. You know, Yeah, that's that Guy's

623
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: got Ryan Ficken written all over him. Is like probably

624
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: his favorite player that we're going to see when these

625
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: OTAs in training camp gets rolling.

626
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I don't know if he's gonna make the

627
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 3: fifty three, but that's a guy to circle for the

628
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 3: practice squad that's gonna get an elevation in like week

629
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 3: six and play a bunch of special team snaps.

630
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,119
Speaker 2: I loved his film.

631
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 3: It's like he's he's really he's not like a big dude,

632
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 3: but he just gets after it in the run game.

633
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: And now, like you understand why, like jam is bringing

634
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,160
Speaker 3: up Steve O. Klatts's press conference when you go watch

635
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: his tape, because you know, you can line up at

636
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: h back, tight end, full back and he gets downhill

637
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 3: and he gets after people in the run game, So like,

638
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 3: you know, he's a guy absolutely you could see called

639
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 3: up and and uh, you know, make an impact on

640
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: special teams in the game middle of the season when

641
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 3: they're battling some injuries and you know, maybe play ten

642
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 3: to twelve snaps on offense. But I mean that's the

643
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 3: life going back to Ryan Ficken, you know, that's the

644
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 3: life of a special teams coach.

645
00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 1: Man.

646
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 3: I mean it's every year you got turnover and you're

647
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 3: piecing it together and you're getting young guys that, oh, yeah,

648
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: I played a ton of special teams in college, and

649
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 3: then they come in and they're raw and you got it,

650
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,160
Speaker 3: you know, right, and you gotta.

651
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: Figure it out.

652
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 3: And you know that's why I think, you know, I

653
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: think it's unfortunate that special teams coaches do get looked

654
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: over a little bit when you're talking about you know,

655
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,360
Speaker 3: head coaching hirings and interviews and stuff like that.

656
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: Like there's no.

657
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 3: Coach outside of the head coach on the roster that

658
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: has to be more familiar with the entire roster than

659
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 3: special teams coaches because they have to look under every

660
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 3: rock and every nook and cranny to find guys that

661
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 3: they think can play consistent football for them.

662
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: And Ryan Picken has done a really good job.

663
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 3: But I think that was a little bit of a

664
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 3: part of what happened last year, you know, especially on

665
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: the punt unit. You know, I don't think JK. Scott

666
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: had a good season, but there were so many pieces

667
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: rotating through there, you know, guys off the practice squad

668
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 3: and waivers and you know, and they had so many

669
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 3: injuries there early in the season, between Jah and Dean

670
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 3: Leonard at a hamstring and Nick Neeman you know, missed

671
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 3: the first four games of the season. So it's going

672
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 3: to be interesting to see, like how some of these

673
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 3: young guys, some of these rookies, you know, impact special

674
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 3: teams because ultimately, like it does matter when you know,

675
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: obviously the plays themselves. We're talking about Tooley, right, like, yeah,

676
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 3: he if they're they're going to take special team snaps

677
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 3: off his plate, somebody has to take those on and

678
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 3: they have to be close to as good.

679
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: As Tooley is, right, so really good, right.

680
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: So, and if they don't have somebody that can take

681
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 3: those snaps, then all of a sudden, Tuley has to

682
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 3: play three hundred and fifty special team snaps and then

683
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 3: you watch, you wonder how that affects his his defense.

684
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 3: So it all sort of pairs together, but I do

685
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 3: want to say that special teams coaches deserve a little

686
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 3: bit more love.

687
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: And then you're going, let's see, I'm just going to

688
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of go into the who's still available in the

689
00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: edge market out there? Von Miller? You want a thirty

690
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: six year old Von Miller who made twenty million bucks?

691
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: Matt Judaan, I know we've talked about him, But for

692
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 1: Zadarias Smith, Preston Smith, You'davi and Clowney. I mean, there's

693
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: still guys out there, and I think that may be

694
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: that that's something probably to.

695
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 2: Keep an eye on and go and go with five.

696
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: Just yeah, I think if Thicken's like, hey, dude, these

697
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: guys aren't ready, we got to keep tu Lee out there,

698
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: and then you just kind of take a little bit

699
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: off his plate and you can go pluck like they

700
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: did with Bud. Whether they give him nine million year,

701
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: I think, you know, kind of a little bit later

702
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 1: and in that second.

703
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: I think it was total nine million.

704
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: It was two years yea two years nine. So that's

705
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: interesting thing that that could make sense if if it's

706
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: not working. The one just kind of speaking to that,

707
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: the the Steve Oclots and like the back end there.

708
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: Like so many people. When they they signed him as

709
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: a priority undrafted free agent, We're like, oh, Rahem Sanders,

710
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, slow down, you got a son.

711
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: Haskins is a special team stalwart and short yards back.

712
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: He's making the team. You just drafted Hampton, You've got

713
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Najie Harris, they just drafted Kamani Videll last year. And

714
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 1: then I started watching a little bit more Rahiem Sanders,

715
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: and then I started listening to the coach and then

716
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: we talked to Geortiz last week and you just saw

717
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: his face light up when he was talking about Oz

718
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 1: at the South Carolina game when we were in Charlotte,

719
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: and then I busted this run and I was like

720
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: that's and I'm like, Okay, I think this guy might

721
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: he might be pushing, you know, if they feel like

722
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: he can fill that role with a little more explosiveness.

723
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 1: Then I just think Haskins, to me, was one of

724
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: the more underappreciated players last year because of how much

725
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: he did on special teams and pass pro and when

726
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: he had to be a fullback, he was a full bed.

727
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: There was just a lot there and I was like,

728
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: I can't see them moving on from him.

729
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're if you're a running back trying to

730
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 3: make it in the league, go look at Hassan Haskins.

731
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,719
Speaker 3: And if you can play that style, and you can

732
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 3: and you can play a ton on special teams, and

733
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: you can tackle, and you can be athletic and physical

734
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: in that phase, you're going to make a lot of

735
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 3: rosters as a third running back because you just need

736
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: that flex, right, you know, you need that flex deeper

737
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: in your running back room. And so I agree, I

738
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: think that the spot to watch is the fourth running

739
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 3: back spot. You know, depending on how roster shakes out.

740
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 3: But you know, it's a big, big off season for

741
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,719
Speaker 3: command of idell. You know, like like that's one like

742
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 3: the linebacker versus running back one on one pass protection drills,

743
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: those periods during training camp. I will be watching very

744
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: closely because he obviously has some juice. You know, he

745
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: caught that touchdown pass.

746
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 2: You know.

747
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 3: The first place the issue is like can he get

748
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 3: to the NFL level in terms of pass protection because

749
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 3: he had a really rough game against the Bucks and

750
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 3: it makes you sort of scratch your head and say, like, okay,

751
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 3: there's a long way to go there with a full

752
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 3: off season. You know, how does he look in terms

753
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: of being able to take on linebackers from a physical standpoint,

754
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: but also identification things of that.

755
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 1: Key right there to me is that he's got to

756
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 1: see it.

757
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: It's just it.

758
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: It felt he felt a little bit slower than it

759
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: tick slow last year and got to the point where

760
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, dangerous and yeah, and so that'll be yeah, fourth,

761
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: fourth running back versus seventh wide receiver is just I

762
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: know they did it out of training camp last year

763
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: with Brendan Rice. I just can't see it this year.

764
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that money. I'll never forget that.

765
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll never forget that.

766
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: That's right.

767
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: Did we talk you out of it?

768
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: Yes?

769
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: Yes, I talked you out of it. I was like

770
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: Aaryan seven wide receivers, You're crazy, Pop. It was the

771
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: last the last we were in the booth.

772
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. We were at annual, Yeah my annual?

773
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: Or were we in Dallas? Were we in Dallas?

774
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 3: Or were we Honestly, I can't I can't remember exactly

775
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 3: where we were in the booth. For the final preseason game,

776
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: I was like set, I had my fifty three set.

777
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm going seven receivers. No one's going

778
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: to convince me otherwise, I'm taking the best fifty three.

779
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: These seven receivers have all earned a spot. I like

780
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: had my my logic was all ironed out, and I

781
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: went and DJ was like, no shot.

782
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: No shot, damn.

783
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 2: Like this guy worked with Joe, Yeah he might, like

784
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 2: he's got to know.

785
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 3: And then I got moved off my spot and I

786
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: will never happen again.

787
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: What you did? You put Traman Morris Brash in there.

788
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: I think instead as the U as the I can't.

789
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: Remember I did something that I regret.

790
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it again. I don't think they carry

791
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: seven out. I just don't. I don't. I don't see it.

792
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: It's yeah, you know, it's it's the two rookies. It's

793
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: Mike Williams Quinton you know obviously, lad and figure it out. Man.

794
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 3: I have six right now, So I have my running

795
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 3: fifty three going already because again I'm a psycho, so

796
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: I've already.

797
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 2: Because it's it's just a good way.

798
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 3: It's good to get the process started early, so just

799
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: so you can see, like, okay, where are the pressure points,

800
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: like where the competition is sort of going to be

801
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: shaping up.

802
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: So I have six right now, lad Trey Harris, R.

803
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 3: KLS, Mike Williams, Darius, and then I have Quintin in

804
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 3: right now.

805
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: But like this is a big off season for Quentin too.

806
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like they took two guys that can play your position,

807
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 3: you know, like in theory, if you put Mike at X,

808
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: like it could be Trey Harris at Z could be

809
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: KLS and Z right, so, and and Quentin can't play X,

810
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: Like that's it's not it's not gonna happen at this point.

811
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: I think it's clear based on who they signed and

812
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,760
Speaker 1: who they drafted, and and then you look at the tryout,

813
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: Like I said, the fact that they then signed you know,

814
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Dale Von Campbell, who's another six', four two hundred and you,

815
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: know five pound outside. Receiver it's like clearly there was a.

816
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,720
Speaker 1: Type you, know there was, speed and there was, size

817
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: and there were guys that PLAYED x and you know in.

818
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: College and SO i think you're, Right like it's For.

819
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Quentin you, KNOW i feel LIKE i always feel bad

820
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: talking about it because by all, accounts great, guy hard,

821
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: worker you, know all of those, things and typically that

822
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: when you're a first round, pick that goes a long.

823
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: Way you're not a, Jerk you're not you, know you're not,

824
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: complaining you're not slacking trying to get. Better it's just

825
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: those you, know you have The raider game in week

826
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 1: whatever it was week, eighteen, right and then and then

827
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: you have the playoff, game and it's, like, uh which

828
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: which is? It you? Know so, Yeah I'M i struggled

829
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: to BECAUSE i could tight end AND i, see you,

830
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 1: know obviously four and you know With, Disley, Conkling gadsden And,

831
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: fisk all four of those guys are making.

832
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: It and you, know, YEAH i mean you could you

833
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 3: could like potentially Stash fisk on the on the practice.

834
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: SQUAD i just thought he was, good he was no.

835
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 3: But how many, teams how many teams in the league

836
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 3: are looking for that skill, set you, know, right and

837
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 3: maybe more than in the past because the teams are

838
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: starting to run the ball a little bit, more but.

839
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: Right and then it comes down To Matt locke and

840
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: that development and they've invested so much there and the

841
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: idea that they're just going to be, like, yeah, well you,

842
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: Know fisk can fill that role and that's how you

843
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: save that spot. There but it just feels like you,

844
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: know between how coaches talked about him and how much

845
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,479
Speaker 1: they've invested in trying to get him to be a full,

846
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,399
Speaker 1: back and the fact that he did gradually get better

847
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: week after week toward the end of the, year it

848
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: would feel weird that they would just kind of throw that.

849
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 2: Aside, Yeah AND i mean the flexibility is, great.

850
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: Right you stash him on the roster and you play

851
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 3: him at defensive tackle and he'll give you functional. Player

852
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 3: you can play them on offense And i'll give you functional, play.

853
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: Right even you can can play on special. Teams you,

854
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,439
Speaker 3: know he's playing on the kick return unit last year

855
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 3: with the new kickoff, role so, RIGHT i am curious,

856
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: though like is it gonna be the same role as

857
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 3: last year or if he, doesn't or if he's on the,

858
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 3: roster is it going to be like an offense.

859
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: ONLY i, mean what do they. Say they preach it

860
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: all the time with every, position, right just flexibility much

861
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: how much flexibility means for, them you? Know and and

862
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: the fact that you, know like you Heard Jesse minner

863
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 1: talk about it with, corners with, SAFETIES i want my

864
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: best five on the. FIELD i don't care what position they're.

865
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: PLAYING i want them on the field and you heard

866
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: that with offensive, Line, well we Think zion can play,

867
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: Center bradley can play. Guard we love the flexibility at

868
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: tray and it's like it's a team that preaches that

869
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,440
Speaker 1: all the, time and so you, Know Matt, LOCKE i

870
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 1: know it's a little bit, different but, yeah between special

871
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: team snaps offense, SNAPS i mean you can you can

872
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: get worn down pretty quickly. There it'll be interesting to

873
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: see if he is going to be a full time

874
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: fullback and if they're going to run those packages all

875
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,040
Speaker 1: the time like it felt like they did last year

876
00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: with this bigger. Backfield that's it's way too early to

877
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: go through the fifty. THREE i didn't mean to take

878
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: that direction, here but it just gets fun doing. IT

879
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: i love, that you, KNOW i know we talk about

880
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 1: it all the. Time i'm sure you already have your

881
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: preliminary fifty three sitting in front of you that you're constantly.

882
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: MOVING i, do, well it's fifty four right, now just

883
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 3: BECAUSE i haven't like narrowed it, down BUT i do

884
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: have like a running kind just BECAUSE i want to, see, like,

885
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 3: okay where if we're going to be making.

886
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: Decisions, here like what are the.

887
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: Decisions you, Know i'm really curious, about, like you, know

888
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: the corner, room how the corner room and so.

889
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: WHAT i was just it's, FUNNY i was just looking

890
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: at that as we're. Talking i've got it here in

891
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: front of, me and you, know the one name that

892
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: obviously jumps out and again Sorry Ryan, fickett It's John. Taylor,

893
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: Right it's, like where where does joh fit into? This

894
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: when it felt like he kind of lost his position

895
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 1: last year and kind of took a step back on

896
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: the depth chart after being given an. Opportunity the weird

897
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: thing for me last year was just that we didn't

898
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: see More Dean, leonard you, know based on sort of

899
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: what we saw from him in camp and in some

900
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 1: of those preseason, games that he wasn't a guy that

901
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: got some more.

902
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:11,799
Speaker 2: Reps, yeah, No i'm with.

903
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: YOU i loved WHAT i saw From Dean, leonard specifically

904
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 3: in the preseason. Games he made a couple of plays

905
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: that were really really. Impressive, SO i, mean here's the

906
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 3: thing With. Jah he had a pretty significant injury In

907
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 3: week one of last, year and he played through, it

908
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: and you got to give him credit for playing through.

909
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 3: IT a lot of guys would not have played through

910
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 3: the injury that he, had AND i think that really,

911
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: affected you, know how he was able to. Play you

912
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: saw he was in and, out constantly getting worked on

913
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 3: on the. Sideline you, KNOW i was expecting a big

914
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 3: jump from, him and you, KNOW i think the injury

915
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 3: kind of derailed his. Season BUT i think when you

916
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,760
Speaker 3: when you talk About josh specifically with this year's fifty,

917
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 3: three this year's, roster he can play well in the.

918
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 3: Slot he showed us that he can play well at,

919
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: nickel AND i think you kind of need that with

920
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: the way the room is set up right. Now Obviously

921
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 3: drwin's going to be playing a lot in the, slot

922
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: but After, derwin It's tarheb, right and then it's, like,

923
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 3: okay where's your you, know where's your depth? There which

924
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: is WHY i, think you, Know jock potentially have a

925
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 3: route to fifty three because you look at the rest

926
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: of the, Guys Cam hart outside Only Dante jackson is

927
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 3: an outside, Guy Benjamin saint ju just, Outside Dean leonard.

928
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: Outside Tar heeb can obviously play. Both jah has played,

929
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: both but has played as better football as a as

930
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: a nickel, Player so that.

931
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 2: Would be my only.

932
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: Reason you, know they do have some some of these

933
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 3: undrafted free agents that project as potential nickel. Guys, yeah

934
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 3: but that would be my only point On John.

935
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: Taylor, yeah it's and again IT'S i think you said,

936
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: it and everybody really picked on him last, year you,

937
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 1: know and and it's it's not. Fair he easily could

938
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: have just SAID i can't do it and and not

939
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: been out there and and avoided all of. That the

940
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: defensive line, group, AGAIN i DON'T i feel like that's pretty.

941
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: SETTLED i can't imagine them unless it's the whole special

942
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: teams thing With. TULEY i don't think there's an interior

943
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: alignment that they're gonna go, pluck you, know if he

944
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: gets cut. SOMEWHERE i feel like they're kind of settled.

945
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 1: There we've heard a lot about a boyg bee and

946
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: putting on that twenty pounds of, muscle and we were

947
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: told he was a developmental player last year and not

948
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: to you know that this is someone who's, raw And

949
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: elston's gonna work with him and have some, patience and you,

950
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 1: know by all accounts that's exactly how it played. Out

951
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 1: AND i mean you saw, him you're out there at phase.

952
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,800
Speaker 1: Two does he look a lot different than he did last.

953
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: Year he looks, bigger.

954
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: But, yeah we'll see when the pads come. On you,

955
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 3: know that's sort of Where i'm. At but you, KNOW

956
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: i think it's LIKE i guess the POINT i would

957
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 3: make is like in the, past when we talked through

958
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 3: the roster like this at this. Stage you, know under

959
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,919
Speaker 3: previous regimes you're talking about, Like, okay this guy has

960
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: to make a, jump like this guy is, starting and

961
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 3: if he doesn't make a, jump they have nothing behind.

962
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 3: Him WHAT i WHAT i appreciate about what this regime

963
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 3: does is you have so many contingencies built in where

964
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 3: like If justin And boygbe makes a, jump, Great if he,

965
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 3: doesn't you have other options as far as guys that can,

966
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: play WHICH i think the big difference THAT i see

967
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 3: between how these two regimes are pro roster.

968
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: Building, yeah, no that's fair. Point you know it's nake One.

969
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: Jones it's To sean. Hand obviously we saw Tier tart

970
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: was a you, know rotational get him in there on

971
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: passing downs only, player and, man he just. Flashed he just,

972
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: like get that guy more snaps and and same thing With.

973
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: Poona the way you, know the thought going into the

974
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: season when he was signed of what he might be

975
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: compared to what he. Became one of the things that

976
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: was interesting with with the conversation that that you know

977
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: we had with with Coach minter was you, know him,

978
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: saying you, know the fact that everybody wants to pigeonhole

979
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: us is his own D it's just who we. Had he's,

980
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: LIKE i would much rather be able to play more, man.

981
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: It's still who they have. Though.

982
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: YEAH i, think, WELL i think that's sort of the

983
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: that's sort of the you, know the The Saint, juice

984
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: the the the traits based kind of idea of can

985
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 1: you get these big bridges as a traits sort of,

986
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: guy can you coach them up to a point where

987
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: we saw them coach up to guys saying you, know,

988
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: Look Cam harr played really well on the outside when

989
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: he was, healthy AND i did not see that on

990
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: That Notre dame film at.

991
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,160
Speaker 2: All LIKE i w key part of that statement, though

992
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: is one, healthy.

993
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: Right and that's BUT i Just i'm speaking to the

994
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: coaching when they're given a guy with these sort of

995
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: traits and, like, hey we can coach them into, this

996
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: and we, can but you're, RIGHT i, MEAN i DON'T

997
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: i don't see a press. Man put him on the

998
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,600
Speaker 1: island and we're good if we can we can kind

999
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: of take everything else and worry about. IT i don't

1000
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 1: see that on this.

1001
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 3: Team, yeah but it's also, LIKE i, mean you're also

1002
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 3: obviously you're playing into what you.

1003
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 2: Have but you, know Like tarivs still like he's.

1004
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 3: Going to be at his best when he's playing in

1005
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 3: a lot of his own. Coverage like he's very an

1006
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,479
Speaker 3: instinctive players great when he can see it and drive

1007
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 3: down you.

1008
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 2: Know so, YEAH i get where he's coming.

1009
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,359
Speaker 3: FROM i, MEAN i think every defensive coordinator would love

1010
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 3: you know, too all pro corners in the outside and

1011
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 3: you play man all the. Time, yeah but free everybody up,

1012
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: Right BUT i think like the way that, LIKE i

1013
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 3: don't think the room is different this year where they're

1014
00:43:58,200 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 3: all of a sudden going to be playing a ton

1015
00:43:59,520 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 3: of man.

1016
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,399
Speaker 1: Cover now that that would have to be something that gets.

1017
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 1: Plucked and, again premium. Position rarely do those guys become,

1018
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: available and you're not going, to like you, said go

1019
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: out and find a guy that's that you're comfortable putting

1020
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: out there on an island and changing the way you.

1021
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: Play the one thing that THAT i, that you, know

1022
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,759
Speaker 1: AND i should do a better job of pushing your

1023
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: your top twenty BECAUSE i believe he was in there

1024
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 1: IF i remember. Right But Junior colson is a Big,

1025
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,240
Speaker 1: yeah he's a HUGE x factor because of What dayon.

1026
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: Did AND i was having this conversation with O'Neil this

1027
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 1: week just how it's funny that you look at how

1028
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: much money some of these off ball linebackers got because

1029
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: the market was so, thin and you're, like damn they got,

1030
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 1: that you, know that kind of, Scratch and here The

1031
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,200
Speaker 1: chargers could go into the season with arguably the best

1032
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,399
Speaker 1: room in the. League If colson's what we think he could,

1033
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: become And dayon takes that step To Pro, bowl all pro,

1034
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: level it could really end up being the strength of this. Defense.

1035
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: Yeah SO i had both of those guys in my top.

1036
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: TWENTY i had Day on at number. SIX i just

1037
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: kept inching him, up LIKE i THINK i had him at.

1038
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 3: Ten But i'm just, like, man there's so much left

1039
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 3: in the tank for. Him you, like he was really

1040
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 3: good last, year but you think about some of those

1041
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: ops he had for you, know interception, sacks like the

1042
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 3: sack like if he makes that sack On Patrick mahomes

1043
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 3: against The chiefs late in the, season right on the final,

1044
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,640
Speaker 3: play like he played really really. Well but if he

1045
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 3: starts making some of these plays that were on the

1046
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 3: table for, him you, know what level can he get?

1047
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 3: To AND i just kept inching him, up AND i

1048
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,200
Speaker 3: feel like he's going to be really really. Important he's

1049
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: gonna be the green dot signal. Caller he's you, know

1050
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 3: if that one linebacker that's playing in all packages including

1051
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: dime is really really important to your.

1052
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 2: Defense SO i agree with you.

1053
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 3: There and THEN i Had junior at eighteen of my

1054
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 3: rankings BECAUSE i think if this defense gets to the

1055
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 3: level that they wanted to get, to it's going to

1056
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 3: be dayon and it's going to Be junior and those

1057
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 3: guys are going to be the. Starters and you Have

1058
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 3: denzel as as in troidae as. Depth BUT, i you,

1059
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 3: KNOW i go back TO i feel like we're watching

1060
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 3: that practice together money during training, camp or he got

1061
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: into eleven on eleven for the time and they were

1062
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 3: doing the nine on seven run and he just blew

1063
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 3: up a play in the backfield AND i was and we.

1064
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: Looked at each other and we're like, yep, yeah all,

1065
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 2: Right and.

1066
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 3: Like my opinion hasn't, changed like just because he had

1067
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: a couple of injuries and like his rickitis through training,

1068
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: camp right and then the ankle injury during the. Season

1069
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 3: but like every TIME i think, About, okay What's Junior

1070
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: colson going to, BE i think about that one play

1071
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 3: from training, camp And i'm, Like.

1072
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: Okay that's what that's what he can.

1073
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: Be and And i'm not saying He's Patrick. Willis WHAT

1074
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: i am saying is when you were on a football

1075
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,280
Speaker 1: field standing Watching Patrick, Willis you're, like look at that freaking. Guy,

1076
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: yeah That's. Colson. Man when you're standing there and you

1077
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: see that lower, Half you're, like my, god and he's

1078
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 1: moving like, That like that's the sort of Physical AND

1079
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: i think it's, interesting you know that that for all

1080
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,879
Speaker 1: of the attention that those d lines get In San,

1081
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: francisco it's hard to Ignore Drake Green lawn And Fred,

1082
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: warner you, Know Patrick, Willison Navarro, Bowman like how important

1083
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: that level of the defense, is you, know and was

1084
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: and and sort of got overlooked because all these teams

1085
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 1: started spreading it out and running eleven and you had

1086
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: to get speed out. There and now just feels like

1087
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: it's it's swinging back and you're gonna have to have you,

1088
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 1: know two linebackers out, there and who know who, knows

1089
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 1: maybe three in the next couple of. Years it's going

1090
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: to get back to.

1091
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 2: That back to the base, Defenses, vagas that's real.

1092
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: Football, exactly back to some base defense with how these

1093
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 1: teams are running it. Now BUT i do think that

1094
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: THAT'S i love seeing both of those guys in there

1095
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: BECAUSE i do think that you, Know ashton genty on

1096
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: the on The raiders and with the you, know the

1097
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: older That mahomes gets and just sort of you, know

1098
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: running games are going to become more and more, PREVALENT i,

1099
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: think and having those linebackers going to go a long.

1100
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: Way, yeah it's a cycloker nation, click circular, nation circular,

1101
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: nation Cyclical i'm.

1102
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 2: Trying i'm combining circular and.

1103
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: Circular, yeah, cyclic the circular nature of like offensive foot

1104
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 3: OR i guess like schematics in general in THE.

1105
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 2: Nfl but you know what's really interesting is the.

1106
00:47:55,719 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 3: Parallels Between dayon's career and Potentially Junior coulson's. Career Right

1107
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 3: deayon came, in you, know pulled his hamstring in that preseason,

1108
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 3: game was out had a tough time cracking the lineup

1109
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 3: after that with. Injuries he comes out in year two

1110
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 3: and obviously has a breakout. Season Junior, coulson you, know

1111
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: misses time and OTAs with an injury appendck to, me you,

1112
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 3: know ir with an ankle.

1113
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: Injury you know when he.

1114
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: Was on the, field had a tough time really sort

1115
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 3: of you, know transitioning and acclimating to the speed of

1116
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 3: THE nfl. Game now he heads into year two after

1117
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 3: a rookie season that was kind of. Derailed does he

1118
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: follow the same path As. DAYAN i think there's reason

1119
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,760
Speaker 3: to believe that that's like a potential.

1120
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: Outcome.

1121
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: YEAH i don't see any reason why. Not you, KNOW

1122
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,400
Speaker 1: i felt like he was in the conversation as the

1123
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: best linebacker on the draft last. Year he was the

1124
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,160
Speaker 1: arguably the most important player on a national championship. Team

1125
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 1: and it never. Fails it was, like, oh, gosh Justin Justin, Jackson,

1126
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: right a guy that never missed a freaking play in

1127
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: his college career gets to THE nfl and is just

1128
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: perennially injured and hopefully that is obviously not the. Kid

1129
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: those two things could be. Related, yeah, yeah very. True,

1130
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,239
Speaker 1: yeah you're out there for a lot of. Snaps you

1131
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: take a lot of hits and next thing you, know, it's,

1132
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: uh it's. Over did we miss anything anything? Else that

1133
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,480
Speaker 1: is just kind OF i, know it's going to be

1134
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: a lot of. Easier only get Into OTA's and you,

1135
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: know stuff's going to get a little bit more clear

1136
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: and we'll have a little bit more to talk about.

1137
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 2: AFTER i, see if you talk about the, quarterback what

1138
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 2: do you want to say? Where so here's WHERE i.

1139
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 2: WROTE i obviously he number.

1140
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: Number, one Guy mac was your number, TWO i remember. That,

1141
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: yeah three Was.

1142
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 2: Durwin, yeah and then But Kai backton was number five

1143
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 2: by the.

1144
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 1: Way, yeah you Had hampton in the top ten IF

1145
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: i remember right. TOO i think he was. Twelve he was, Twelve, Okay.

1146
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: YEAH i had him like fringe top. Ten Oh, lad that's,

1147
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Speaker 3: Right lad was In lad was Fo yeah.

1148
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: Obviously.

1149
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 3: YEAH i, mean So ladd is, like what is he

1150
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: going to be able to do when he actually has

1151
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 3: other pieces around?

1152
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: Him?

1153
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 2: Right, like what are we talking about?

1154
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:00,440
Speaker 1: Here he like not terrified that he's gonna get blown

1155
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,239
Speaker 1: to shreds because he's taken so many freaking targets and

1156
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: hits every game.

1157
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 3: EXACTLY i mean he had hit one hundred and ninety

1158
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,440
Speaker 3: seven yards in That texans game and he's getting triple. Covered,

1159
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 3: yeah you, know it's like it's it's easy to let

1160
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 3: your imagination run wild there as far as what what

1161
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 3: sort of he can. Be but, YEAH i mean with

1162
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 3: here's WHAT i wrote With, justin like they got to

1163
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: get back to the. Playoffs but like the only talking

1164
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 3: point Around Justin herbert is going to Be kenny won

1165
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 3: a playoff. Game until he wins a playoff, Game like

1166
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 3: that's that's become what it. Is some of it is

1167
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:28,799
Speaker 3: fair and some of it's. NOT i think the way

1168
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 3: that they lost the two playoff games that he played,

1169
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: in you, know especially In houston where he played like

1170
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 3: WHAT i think was you, know the worst game of his.

1171
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 3: Career but that's sort of. It the big point THAT

1172
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 3: i came back, to, though was like stay, Healthy like

1173
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 3: that's got to be priority number. One that's the most important,

1174
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,240
Speaker 3: Thing like be out there for all of training camp

1175
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 3: and and you, know avoid some of these. Hits carolina

1176
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 3: game that's a perfect, example, right like that ball out exactly.

1177
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 3: Exactly SO i think he has to get to a

1178
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:03,720
Speaker 3: point where he realizes that his availability and being something

1179
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 3: close to one hundred percent over the course of a

1180
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: season is like the most important, thing you, know BECAUSE

1181
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 3: i think that you, know it has a cascading. Effect you,

1182
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 3: know when the starting quarterback with a new regime and

1183
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 3: a new offense and all these new, pieces misses three

1184
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,520
Speaker 3: weeks of training camp and then by week two is you,

1185
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 3: know toughing it out with his high ankle. Sprain that

1186
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 3: affected everything about the. Offense it affected what they were

1187
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 3: able to, Run it affected the, chemistry it affected the,

1188
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 3: performance all of. It so that's the key thing for,

1189
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: me be on the field all of training, camp avoid

1190
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 3: some of these injuries that seem a little bit, avoidable

1191
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,840
Speaker 3: and see if you can get this thing to coalestion

1192
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: a way that it didn't really last.

1193
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: Season, Yeah AND i think to, me part of that

1194
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,720
Speaker 1: is AND i know some people might think it's, counterintuitive

1195
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: but it's. NOT i, mean the data bear out that,

1196
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:55,799
Speaker 1: run get out, there get, this get defenses on their

1197
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: heels a little bit more so they're not teeing off

1198
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: on you on what was a little bit of a

1199
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: soft interior of the offensive. Line you, know take off

1200
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: and have, them you, know plant seeds of doubt in their,

1201
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: brains so they don't have their ears pinned back and

1202
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: they're constantly just firing off the line of. Scrimmage and,

1203
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 1: look a lot of that is that high ankle sprain

1204
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:18,279
Speaker 1: and health and not being able to run as much

1205
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 1: as you. Want but we know how good he is at,

1206
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: it and you, know when you're calling a game from

1207
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: the seventh, level it's easier to see it for us

1208
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: than maybe it is for. Him but how many of

1209
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: those mesh points where we're, like, oh just if you

1210
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: just keep, it, man it's right, there there's fifteen twenty

1211
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: yards waiting for you and you're not gonna get. Touched you,

1212
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 1: know there's five seven yards you're not gonna get. Touched

1213
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: AND i feel, like especially with zero rushing attempts in

1214
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: the wild card, game it's, like that's that's got to

1215
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: become a to, me a much bigger part Even and it's,

1216
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:57,080
Speaker 1: this we say the same, thing just sprinkle it. In

1217
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: it's not the identity of the, offense but it's it's a,

1218
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: weapon and it's a weapon that defenses have to prepare.

1219
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: For but you've got to do it exactly a couple you,

1220
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: know you got to do. It you got to be

1221
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: good at it a few times a, game and that's

1222
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 1: all it, is.

1223
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:14,280
Speaker 3: Exactly it's not necessarily the. Production it's the. Threat that's what's. Important,

1224
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah but, slide.

1225
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: Yes, slide get out of, bounds don't take on linebackers,

1226
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: yet get.

1227
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 2: Down we know you're capable of doing. It you don't

1228
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 2: need to see it. Again.

1229
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah and that's and and that's the other thing,

1230
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: too is like when you're running a mesh With amari

1231
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: And hampton and and he's you, know in this run

1232
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: game is now working and everyone's biting on. That my,

1233
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 1: gosh the opportunities they're going to be there compared to

1234
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: years past and what the running game. Was if this

1235
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: running game can be what it, is that's we had

1236
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:43,279
Speaker 1: a question on one of them AND i was, like,

1237
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: oh what Can justin do? Better AND i, said, look

1238
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: we're nitpick and It's Justin. Herbert he's incredible at. EVERYTHING i.

1239
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: Said but if it's one, thing, YEAH i think you

1240
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 1: just got to keep that ball a little bit more

1241
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,799
Speaker 1: on those on those option plays and and take off

1242
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,319
Speaker 1: because it's. There and if it's, THERE i assume you're

1243
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:00,879
Speaker 1: seeing it in, film you, know later in the, week

1244
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 1: and it's like, dude just take a few of. Those

1245
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 1: AND i think that that Helps Greg roman out a.

1246
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: Lot and that's the other thing With, roman for all

1247
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: the incoming he, Took like just think about what he

1248
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: did With Will disley and what he's done in his

1249
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: career with these tight. Ends and now you bring In,

1250
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 1: conklin WHO i know Isn't George kittle Or Sam, laporta

1251
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,359
Speaker 1: but he's a good receiving tight end with really good,

1252
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 1: hands and he's a really good red zone. Target and

1253
00:54:25,600 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: now you bring in an athlete Like Arondez gadsden and, Like,

1254
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: okay now you feel like with these big, Backs greg's

1255
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: got some things he can cook with And i'm anxious

1256
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: to see what he's able to do with. It.

1257
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, YEAH i imagine we're going to see a much

1258
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: more explosive, offense you, know both in the run game

1259
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 3: and obviously the pass. Game you, know they just what

1260
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 3: they what they were. Missing last year in the passing

1261
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 3: game was, like, okay nothing's. Open you, know they got

1262
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: caught with a you, know man beater against his Own, look,

1263
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 3: okay what happens?

1264
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 2: Now where can justin go with the football and.

1265
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: He needs that, option just let him chuck it down the,

1266
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: sideline you, know one on one to somebody that can go

1267
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 3: make a, play, right and they just like didn't have

1268
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,319
Speaker 3: that guy last. Year, obviously they bring back the guy

1269
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 3: that's done it for The chargers better than anybody In Mike.

1270
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 3: Williams but Like Trey harris is that type of, Guy,

1271
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 3: like give him an option when everything sort of breaks

1272
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: down to use his arm, talent throw it downfield and

1273
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 3: maybe you're able to make some fifty to fifty plays

1274
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 3: that they weren't able to make last.

1275
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: Year. YEAH i just you, know you think about The

1276
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: houston game and you, know he chucks that ball down

1277
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: To quinton and you could see at the second that

1278
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 1: left his, Hand you're, like this is this is? Terrible

1279
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:31,680
Speaker 1: like this is you, know this is this is not.

1280
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: IT i don't The quinton was not even turned around.

1281
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 1: Yet he was just kind of running straight like you,

1282
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: know THE dB is already reading. IT i think it

1283
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 1: was lasted or IF i remember, right and it was

1284
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: just like this is now what are we? Doing? Yeah

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Speaker 1: and so you get a guy Like mike And Trey

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Speaker 1: harris that we've, seen you, know it was supposed to

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Speaker 1: BE Dj shark last, year and it just, wasn't and

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Speaker 1: so it's, Yeah and that's the thing With mike. Two

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Speaker 1: he's you, know now you're now you're two years removed

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Speaker 1: from an. Injury that for a guy that, size that

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Speaker 1: needs that explosiveness to be what he, is that's two years.

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Speaker 1: REMOVED i think that's gonna go a long. Way then

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Speaker 1: one year removed from a guy that's in his whatever

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Speaker 1: it was seventh, day ninth. Season so.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, also you're going from a quarterback who says you

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Speaker 3: have to be on the red line to make the

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Speaker 3: catch versus a quarterback And Justin herbert who's like doing

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Speaker 3: What mike, asks which is.

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Speaker 2: Just throw it up. There. Bro, yeah like throw it up.

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Speaker 3: There And justin is not afraid to do that To Mike,

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Speaker 3: williams and no chemistry is already built, In like it's

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Speaker 3: the proof of concept is. There you don't have to imagine.

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Speaker 3: It just, go you, know pull up Some Mike williams

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Speaker 3: highlights and you'll see.

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Speaker 1: It AND i would say to that, gentleman if he's

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00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:39,440
Speaker 1: not out of the red, line just throw it to

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Speaker 1: the red line then instead of four yards behind, him

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Speaker 1: because you didn't throw it to the red line, Either so, whatever,

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Speaker 1: whatever you were looking for and whatever you were, doing

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Speaker 1: it just did not. Compute all. RIGHT i think that's,

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Speaker 1: uh it's probably. Good appreciate, it, dude that.

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Speaker 1: COORDINATOR i think we're chasing down Either Greg roman Or

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Speaker 1: Ryan ficken since we already got Coach minter out of the,

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