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Speaker 1: Year's Eve. That's right. I want to give me hopefully
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Speaker 1: N And this is the Crazy Wall Radio Slack drink
Speaker 1: Crazy Word Radio. I did it on purpose. I thought
Speaker 1: somebody would say no, but the same thing. So we
Speaker 1: have hands down my favorite o G A person that
Speaker 1: every time I call him, he responds he doesn't He's
Speaker 1: never been Hollywood, he's never played this Hollywood game. As
Speaker 1: he was coming here, I told all my friends, I said, listen,
Speaker 1: they said, you know I you know what I said,
Speaker 1: Ice gonna come, don't low and walk up by Absolutely
Speaker 1: that's exactly who he is. He's been like that ever
Speaker 1: since I ever now him, and he continues to be
Speaker 1: the realest person. I stribe every day to try to
Speaker 1: be like this man. When I'm you know, have that
Speaker 1: many years in this game, I would like to be
Speaker 1: like this stop stop it. And if you don't have Twitter,
Speaker 1: you should get Twitter just to follow this man at
Speaker 1: the final level. He drops the daily game every day
Speaker 1: I'm always watched it. I always respected And in case
Speaker 1: you guys do not know who was in the building
Speaker 1: right now, we got the legendary motherfucking iced tea in
Speaker 1: the building. Make something drimp chance, maybe trip chaps. That's
Speaker 1: what sat we down, gread look at our bottles puff
Speaker 1: looking bad? You know, was bad that? But this is
Speaker 1: that's one of the first questions I have. It is
Speaker 1: because most people as have the experience, have the years
Speaker 1: and have the game with that light go what happened
Speaker 1: to the life going on? There? Going on? O G
Speaker 1: s in the game that has been in the game
Speaker 1: as long as you have are not social media savvy.
Speaker 1: They're not on Instagram, they're not on Twitter, they're not
Speaker 1: on these uh ways that their fans could actually hit you.
Speaker 1: Why did you feel that you embrace social media? In
Speaker 1: my opinion, well, you know when I when I when
Speaker 1: I first started, we used to have a fan clubs,
Speaker 1: you know, and people would write in and then we
Speaker 1: would send them back stuff. And I had my homie
Speaker 1: Shanny Sean ran the fan club, and it was very
Speaker 1: important to get my fans on board and to make
Speaker 1: them feel like they was part of whatever whatever my
Speaker 1: movement was. So when I got into it, I looked
Speaker 1: at I wasn't really into face book. I don't have
Speaker 1: a face me because I'm I'm I'm too sided with
Speaker 1: the norri one. I like to let people know, but
Speaker 1: I'm very private too, and I know that social media
Speaker 1: is the number one tool of law enforcement. Not that
Speaker 1: I'm breaking the law anymore, but you're just giving giving
Speaker 1: them a fucker so much information about yourself, and all
Speaker 1: the people that watch you on social media aren't necessarily
Speaker 1: your friends. Your enemies could be laying in the right
Speaker 1: there too and pop up on your punk ass wherever
Speaker 1: the fun, you know, so you just like you really
Speaker 1: want to lead lead a nigger up to your front door. Really,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you know. So I got into Twitter,
Speaker 1: and I liked how fast Twitter was, and I just
Speaker 1: got on there and I found the way that I
Speaker 1: could actually talk to my fans and and and some people.
Speaker 1: It was a cool feeling. I mean, I block you, though,
Speaker 1: if you say anything negative, I block you blocked with
Speaker 1: the quickness I got. I got a zero dumb fun policy.
Speaker 1: If you say anything to me that you would normally
Speaker 1: not say to me in the street, even if bad
Speaker 1: joke will getting blocked, Like, I'm like, oh you think
Speaker 1: we that much? Friends? Block? You know now that I learned,
Speaker 1: the mute button is better than the block. Mute is
Speaker 1: if somebody, you know, some dumb talking to you, you're
Speaker 1: hitting mute and they don't know they blocked, so they
Speaker 1: keep on talking and they just are talking to know that,
Speaker 1: so they don't they don't get the you know, some
Speaker 1: people they like it. Oh yeah, I got iced t
Speaker 1: to block, like that's some type of badge and dumb
Speaker 1: fuck honor or some bullshit you did. So I just
Speaker 1: mute you and then you thank you still talking to me,
Speaker 1: but no longer. Let's make some drink. Can learning about Okay,
Speaker 1: So now I want you to take me because um,
Speaker 1: a lot of o G they criticize this era, and
Speaker 1: now that they considered me a o G, I sort
Speaker 1: of criticize this error. But the realist error A lot
Speaker 1: of people say the nineties, But the realist era was
Speaker 1: actually the error that took place before the nineties where
Speaker 1: you had the self destruction you had lets the late eighties.
Speaker 1: So I want you to describe to me that, like
Speaker 1: what first of all, like U in that same vein, Yes,
Speaker 1: but when you first got in the game. What year
Speaker 1: was that I started my my my first record came
Speaker 1: out like night, well early eighties, six and six. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: My my first single was eighty two, so because you know,
Speaker 1: I was right, yeah yeah, but but I made records
Speaker 1: with Mellie Mail and all that kind of stuff, not
Speaker 1: to my first album. And you know, I believed that
Speaker 1: radio and hip hop steers the bus to what music is.
Speaker 1: So at that time the bus was aimed toy groups
Speaker 1: like Public Enemy, Tour care Rest One. So as an artist,
Speaker 1: you knew they were in the studio. You knew Ice
Speaker 1: Cube was over here dropping some ship. You knew Ghetto
Speaker 1: Boys was coming, so you knew you could keep it
Speaker 1: gangst it. But you had to have a political aspect
Speaker 1: to it. You just couldn't be just talking no nonsense.
Speaker 1: You had to come and break it down. So when
Speaker 1: you know, okay, Rock Kimson, the student, you know who
Speaker 1: else is out there? You had to bring a bar
Speaker 1: up to that our attempt to attempt to, you know,
Speaker 1: do your best. So there was a degree of difficulty
Speaker 1: and agree agree of respect you wanted along with being
Speaker 1: able to have a good record, like I didn't people
Speaker 1: go like yo, man. I didn't want people say yo,
Speaker 1: I like your beat. I like niggas to walk up
Speaker 1: to me and say, yo, I thank you, thank you
Speaker 1: for what man. I was. You know, I was going
Speaker 1: up north. I was listening to you played yourself. But
Speaker 1: now let me ask you because I'm um, so you
Speaker 1: came out before n w A. Yes, so you are
Speaker 1: technically the first gangster rapper. Not true. I get the
Speaker 1: credit to school e D. Yeah, school because I was
Speaker 1: making my records and stuff, but I wasn't known. And
Speaker 1: I was in the club and I heard uh ps
Speaker 1: K and ship came on, you know, and I called
Speaker 1: it dust like the music it sound like he was
Speaker 1: on Angel Duth Like I been around the dusk world,
Speaker 1: you know, I know what I know what that is.
Speaker 1: And I got some homies and stay Dusted and they're
Speaker 1: looking at you, looking at you crazy, like are you
Speaker 1: do you like me? Are you about to stab me? Yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So so school e D. So I I researched this
Speaker 1: record and they say, that's p s K, that's Park
Speaker 1: Side Killers, that's that's that's a Philly gang. So he
Speaker 1: was singing about it a game called park Side Killers.
Speaker 1: So I was like damn. This is the vibe of
Speaker 1: that song. So when I went in and make six
Speaker 1: in the morning, I kind of used the vibe in
Speaker 1: the cadence Welcome to Christmas Morning. All right, okay, all
Speaker 1: right now, all right now, now we're looking like Drake Champs. Sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So so I used the vibe in the cadence of
Speaker 1: PSK to do my first song, which was would he
Speaker 1: say PSK making that green? I say six in at
Speaker 1: least at my door? Yeah, I didn't make okay, And
Speaker 1: and then and then Cube said that boys in the hood,
Speaker 1: it's part two to six in the morning. So six
Speaker 1: in the morning, police at my door. The boys in
Speaker 1: the hood are always hu you know. So everyone was
Speaker 1: riding that same kind of cadence and that that smooth vibe.
Speaker 1: But then I took I took school E D. And
Speaker 1: I made it really graphic. We we had oozes and
Speaker 1: hand garnades. And because I apologize for but what I'm
Speaker 1: trying to say is even school E D like for
Speaker 1: people that no who school E D is. But he
Speaker 1: wasn't like a big figure. So what made you say
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take this chance and stick with it? Because
Speaker 1: you did six in the morning, but you kept going.
Speaker 1: But to see the thing of it was like I
Speaker 1: wasn't no rapper like I was. I was in the
Speaker 1: streets for real, for real, and I just happened to
Speaker 1: get a chance to wrap. So I would try to
Speaker 1: wrap like New York rappers and stuff. And my homies
Speaker 1: would be like, yo, niggas say that ship you be
Speaker 1: saying because I used to make gang wraps. I used
Speaker 1: to make raps like let me do a gang rap,
Speaker 1: but like this, uh, let's see uh strolling through the
Speaker 1: city in the middle of the night, niggas on my
Speaker 1: left and niggas on my right yelling cook cook co
Speaker 1: rep every nigger I see. Now, if you're bad enough,
Speaker 1: come funk with me. I've seen another nigga. I say,
Speaker 1: crip again. He say, fuck a crip nigga. This is brim.
Speaker 1: So we pulled out the Roscoe. Roscoe said, crack, I
Speaker 1: look again. Nigga was shooting back, so we fell to
Speaker 1: the ground, aimed for his head. One more shot. The
Speaker 1: nigga was dead. We walked over to and took his gun,
Speaker 1: spitting his face and began to run. So if you
Speaker 1: see another nigga laying dead in the street, in the
Speaker 1: puddle of blood from his head to his feet. I
Speaker 1: hope it's time all you bit. Yes, niggas get hip,
Speaker 1: but as fuck a brim nigget this West Side rolling
Speaker 1: sixty cup real, that's gangster round. What year was that
Speaker 1: year old? That was in high school? That was a
Speaker 1: fourth yea. Yeah. Let me tell you something right now
Speaker 1: when you go to l A the most famous gang rollings, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: he's from sixties, but I'm from I'm from back in
Speaker 1: the day with nel Z and in keyto rock and
Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah yeah John, you know big But anyway,
Speaker 1: but I mean see, I'm going to quench h'all. Sol
Speaker 1: y'all have sixties hoover Harlem eight trade gangsters. Har Harlem
Speaker 1: is thirties, Harlem is the thirties. So they named that
Speaker 1: for New York. Yes, so the Harlem crips rolling sixties
Speaker 1: eight trade gangsteries, e G G. S uh they didn't
Speaker 1: you have have hoovers, you know? And not. That's basically
Speaker 1: that's why I that center of any anyway, So the
Speaker 1: gangster rap came from really rapping about gangster ship. So
Speaker 1: my homies was like, yo, they can talk about that ship.
Speaker 1: We do. But That's what I'm apologize. But the point
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make is because one us on the
Speaker 1: East Coast, we had only heard like us on the
Speaker 1: East Coast, we weren't publican and fans. We were fans
Speaker 1: of you know, carress One who people we knew, or
Speaker 1: gangs stuff, and they were preaching. So when the West coast,
Speaker 1: the first time we heard the West coast, like you
Speaker 1: made me scared to go to the West Coast, Like
Speaker 1: I was like, what then, I don't want to go
Speaker 1: to breaching. I don't want to go to Yeah, I
Speaker 1: talk where to God? I was like I used to
Speaker 1: listen to yours, Like I don't want to go there,
Speaker 1: Like whatever. But what made you say that? Because I
Speaker 1: don't want to call the gangster rap just the reality
Speaker 1: rap reality raps at that point because it wasn't and
Speaker 1: it wasn't really reality, because it wasn't everyone's reality. It
Speaker 1: was just my reality. That's what I'm saying. What made
Speaker 1: you say, I'm gonna put this reality wrapp on the
Speaker 1: forefront and the world is gonna gravitate. I had no
Speaker 1: I didn't have no, I just I just I just
Speaker 1: had to wrap for the cats in my neighborhood. Now,
Speaker 1: the people in my neighborhood, that's what you got. You
Speaker 1: know you're hitting the stage, they're like, nigga, say are set, nigga?
Speaker 1: Wrap rep one eleven nigga when you up there, Ice
Speaker 1: because you know, then I had like diplomatical immunity because
Speaker 1: I was working with Downy Hunters. I was working with
Speaker 1: the As boys, I was working with athen Park Boys.
Speaker 1: I was funing with lots of gangs, so I was.
Speaker 1: I came out with the West Coast on my back,
Speaker 1: all the gangs, so I wasn't wearing the color niggas.
Speaker 1: Niggas was always like what ices from sixties? Iis from
Speaker 1: are whereas iis from Bloodstone Villains because they see me
Speaker 1: over there chasing chicks and back. And then they said
Speaker 1: that Bloods was light skinned and dark skinned people were crips.
Speaker 1: That was no, no, no, no, I really really Bloods
Speaker 1: Blood are brims. That's the real gang, the real gang.
Speaker 1: We're crips and the brims. A crip refers to you
Speaker 1: as because a brim refers to you as blood. Anything
Speaker 1: that's not a crip is a blood. So so so
Speaker 1: everything else like if I'm I'm I'm seven four five
Speaker 1: nine Crip from eight Trade Crip. Everything says Crip at
Speaker 1: the end, Inglewood Family, that's a blood gang. Pirrou that's
Speaker 1: a blood game. They're not Piru bloods. It is Tyrou
Speaker 1: athen Park Boys, that's a blood gang. Than Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're not a crip by default, by default, because that's
Speaker 1: that's what you are. Well, there's there's more crypts and
Speaker 1: bloods Cali. Anyway, So back to this rap music. So
Speaker 1: I'm in this I'm in this world right, so I
Speaker 1: have to make a music that those people will relate to.
Speaker 1: So without claiming the set, because you'll notice no one
Speaker 1: claimed the set toil after ninety two since you'll after
Speaker 1: the truth. Even Snoop wasn't wearing all that blue. He
Speaker 1: was kind of like it was real, you did so everybody.
Speaker 1: I was trying to this kind of like let niggas
Speaker 1: know what you know, Like like I said, we're gonna
Speaker 1: let the niggas know where we're from. Because New York
Speaker 1: was so powerful, we had to say, well, look that's great,
Speaker 1: but this is where we from and we had to
Speaker 1: wrap about our life. And uh, I didn't know I
Speaker 1: was hot until I got a call from uh from
Speaker 1: from San Francisco and the Fillmore West wanted me to
Speaker 1: perform up there in the Bay. And that's not film
Speaker 1: more Slim film more some more West is it is
Speaker 1: the arena. NAM like, yeah, you know, I'm going there.
Speaker 1: I'm going there. So we're getting I get the call.
Speaker 1: They asked me, what I do a show up there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not popping in l A like that,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm nigga with a record out. And
Speaker 1: then San Diego still considered the Bay. That's the Bay,
Speaker 1: that's a whole another world. But that's not for that's
Speaker 1: that's seven hours away. So so I'm like, North, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you're not popping there? Why would you go there? I
Speaker 1: wasn't popping in that l A. Like you know, like
Speaker 1: how many niggas in New York got records out right now?
Speaker 1: But are they popping what I'm saying? So my record
Speaker 1: was out, I wasn't the ship in that l A.
Speaker 1: I was just trying to make it right. But they
Speaker 1: wanted me up there, so I'm like really, They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this hells, you'll do the show. I sold the show out,
Speaker 1: so they called me back. They go that show sold out.
Speaker 1: I'm like, really, so another ways, I was hotter in
Speaker 1: Frisco than I was in my home time. You knew
Speaker 1: what the sold out show meant. That Yeah, they said,
Speaker 1: no more tickets. They said, would you do another show?
Speaker 1: They said? They said, I did back and back shows
Speaker 1: and to feel more sold out on one song six
Speaker 1: in the morning, what other the other bullshit I had
Speaker 1: to do? And I was like, Yo, this ship could
Speaker 1: be really big, Like this is real. Now I'm not
Speaker 1: really making no money with this. I'm still in the street.
Speaker 1: I'm making money doing other things and stuff. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm at that point where you know that dilemma that
Speaker 1: street nigga is running too where they want to get.
Speaker 1: But I always always wanted out of the game. I
Speaker 1: didn't I never I didn't really like it. I just
Speaker 1: did it as a survival. One of the reasons I
Speaker 1: don't drink. Like I'm an orphan. I have no mother,
Speaker 1: I have no father, I have no sisters. I've read
Speaker 1: that you was an orphan. I thought I thought that
Speaker 1: was something. So I always felt liquor or weed or
Speaker 1: drug would compromise my position. It would put me in
Speaker 1: a position that if I hit the ground. There's nobody
Speaker 1: to come get me, So I just got to stay
Speaker 1: on my toes. Dig So i'm i'm i'm in, I'm in,
Speaker 1: I'm in the water is full of sharks and I
Speaker 1: gotta stay on my toes. You did so, So that's
Speaker 1: one of the reasons. Just the case you are right
Speaker 1: right now, if you want to take a shot of anything,
Speaker 1: we got your Yeah. Yeah, I've been. I've been, like
Speaker 1: I was a designated driver before there was a term
Speaker 1: for because that's what that's about, the act. So so
Speaker 1: you mean even as a child throwing up in the
Speaker 1: game culture and I remember, I remember there was that,
Speaker 1: and the West Coast was the people who kind of
Speaker 1: introduced us. A lot of people credit routine for that,
Speaker 1: but it was the term Sherman had as a as
Speaker 1: a West Coast It's a cigarette the Sherman to put
Speaker 1: the PCP on. So you've never got hig not one, No,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I mean I've been contact high because I've
Speaker 1: been in and studios. But when I was younger, this
Speaker 1: one cat I remember, I might have been maybe fifteen
Speaker 1: or younger, and some guy was like, yo, hit the weed,
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm like, I want to hit the weed.
Speaker 1: So you was a bit If you don't hit the weed.
Speaker 1: I said, well, I'm a bitch, make me hit it right.
Speaker 1: You go, why are you tripping? Why are you tripping? Right?
Speaker 1: So now that I he I stood my ground, the
Speaker 1: next person try to get me high? He go, he
Speaker 1: don't get high because if he couldn't make me do it,
Speaker 1: no one else why. This became the sober cat and
Speaker 1: the click. Then when I got into the real gangster ship,
Speaker 1: as it got more escalated. Whenever I would walk into
Speaker 1: a room and there would be a bunch of people,
Speaker 1: the one person that didn't get high, that was the cat.
Speaker 1: I keep my high. You did because I know he
Speaker 1: probably you know, he got that thing on him and
Speaker 1: he won. That's his job. You know. If you guys
Speaker 1: have security, you let your security get high. You know,
Speaker 1: So do you got to think about it like that.
Speaker 1: I don't have security, feel me? So now? Why? Ice?
Speaker 1: I always answer me, Baby, that's what I'm here. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, Ice. I can't wait to highest security
Speaker 1: for why? Like for years? You just be you? Like?
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember one time I was shooting a movie.
Speaker 1: I did not know what I was doing. I did
Speaker 1: not know what I was doing. I told you to
Speaker 1: come somewhere four thirty. You got there at four o'clock
Speaker 1: and you ain't complaining. You stood there Riga like I
Speaker 1: supposed to be here. And niggas that make that type
Speaker 1: of music. We know who is official. I can listen
Speaker 1: to you, I can listen to Mob Deep, I can
Speaker 1: listen to different records m OP I love you know.
Speaker 1: If I'm going political, I like that presidents like that.
Speaker 1: I know who and I can I can we through
Speaker 1: the phony niggas to I'm like, how many bricks you sold?
Speaker 1: Nigga your only six team? Like that's not a possibility
Speaker 1: that happened? Like that doesn't doesn't that? Like you know
Speaker 1: how many shot? How many? So I kind of like
Speaker 1: could I was? I'm a fan, so that that comes
Speaker 1: into play. And then also, like I say, all I
Speaker 1: have is my word, and I'm not see I'm the
Speaker 1: kind of person I have people to work for me.
Speaker 1: So if I can't be on point, how do I
Speaker 1: expect them to be on the point? So I have
Speaker 1: to I have to set that example. So I don't
Speaker 1: like being late. I like to stand on my world.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna show up late to a drive
Speaker 1: by and nigga say, we're leaving it. You guys, you
Speaker 1: can't be showing up late. So these numbers are important.
Speaker 1: You got to do your numbers. But as a person
Speaker 1: who don't smoke and don't get hig do you take
Speaker 1: life too seriously? Do you take life to a lot
Speaker 1: of people who do that? Not at all? I mean,
Speaker 1: I I enjoy life. I see it for where it is.
Speaker 1: I made it this far. I'm I'm I'm just a
Speaker 1: more laid back person. I'm just a cool person. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't like to brag. I don't talk
Speaker 1: about myself that like in that if you don't ask
Speaker 1: the question, I won't tell you. You know what, people
Speaker 1: say that damn you so cool? I'm like, well, how
Speaker 1: are you getting named Ice? Nigga? Like really, you know,
Speaker 1: Ice is everybody wants to be Ice in the hood.
Speaker 1: You know, gonna say that's a great name, that's a
Speaker 1: very you know, people like, damn you could be Ice?
Speaker 1: Can you be? You know? So they gave like bitch
Speaker 1: want said, nigger, you got that name. Niggas can't take
Speaker 1: that name from you. You'n you can't take that name
Speaker 1: from me. So you know, can the nigger name. I
Speaker 1: used to be real agg all the time and excited
Speaker 1: and up tightened ship. That doesn't work because you set off,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, when when East Coast we had gangster rap,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't It wasn't reality rap. It wasn't you
Speaker 1: guys that mob style. No, Mom's something come up before
Speaker 1: you didn't know, but after it, okay, this is this,
Speaker 1: trust me. So you when I think a West Coast
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think a gangster rap. Your name is one
Speaker 1: of the first, if not the first, right and you
Speaker 1: and you you coined that, so did everybody else. Kind
Speaker 1: of gravitated because I believe in w a came out,
Speaker 1: but the word gangster rap wasn't out with me. The
Speaker 1: word gangster rap came out, yes, because Cube and Extra
Speaker 1: out of Compton. He says from a gang called niggas
Speaker 1: with attitudes. He didn't say from a group. He said
Speaker 1: from a gang. So he represented his click as a gang.
Speaker 1: And then then the pressed coin gangster rap. They didn't
Speaker 1: have a name until they gave it that name. But
Speaker 1: I was but that's why after they did that, I said, well,
Speaker 1: if it's that's gangster rap, then I'm the oviginal gang.
Speaker 1: You are, So that's when it went backwards. Okay, that's
Speaker 1: now gangs rep Then I'm the old original gangs. You
Speaker 1: flipped everybody's wig at one point. At one point, we're
Speaker 1: sitting back and we see this bishop dom, We see
Speaker 1: these pimps uping movie. We see ice, this slide full
Speaker 1: to the side, magnetic, and the way you did it
Speaker 1: and the way you spoke. We knew that you wasn't front.
Speaker 1: We knew that you were well and how the pimps
Speaker 1: accepted you. But now it was that a life prior
Speaker 1: to your gang. The thing of it was, I was
Speaker 1: in the streets hustling, So I didn't sell. I tried
Speaker 1: to sell coke once, but then everybody took the money
Speaker 1: and ran off like I gave I I I gave
Speaker 1: it out my friends and they all came back short.
Speaker 1: So so now I wasn't going to do kill my
Speaker 1: friend what I had left. I was just able to
Speaker 1: make the money that I invested back. That's I can't
Speaker 1: do this no more. But then when I was in
Speaker 1: every one of them, everyone niggas had stories like I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: How'm I gonna niggas understanding this. You know, you give
Speaker 1: out the dope to your friend and he comes back
Speaker 1: with a story not money. I'm like, I can't do
Speaker 1: this because now I'm supposed to force, but I can't,
Speaker 1: my buddy, So I got out of that. I tried.
Speaker 1: I tried, I tried. You know, I had some weight,
Speaker 1: exactly invested my money, but it didn't work like that.
Speaker 1: You know, I was more. We was more basically jewelry
Speaker 1: store Roberts. We was robbing jewelry stores, doing things of
Speaker 1: that nature. But when I was in the Army, I
Speaker 1: got connected to a pimp named Machel, and Machel I
Speaker 1: used to go hang out at his house and he said,
Speaker 1: you cut for this game, ain't Maybe you got them
Speaker 1: light eyes, You're not too much turned on bodies? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: My buddies. My buddy in the army, his girlfriend's sister
Speaker 1: was a hull a prostitute. So so when his girlfriend
Speaker 1: an army, oh no, Hawaii's like open season, you know,
Speaker 1: because you have all that military I mean, Hawaiian y'all
Speaker 1: was in the army because it was a ranger. So okay.
Speaker 1: So so my boy, Spicer, you know, I don't like
Speaker 1: using names because I don't know where these niggas are
Speaker 1: at this moment. He might be working for IBM. I
Speaker 1: might get fired. But my boy Spicer, his girl was
Speaker 1: was her sister. So it's like, yea, we're gonna go
Speaker 1: to this party this weekend. But but blind we would
Speaker 1: go over there and it was my man Machel's house
Speaker 1: full of holes. So he would look at me be like, YO, says,
Speaker 1: you mean working prostitutes, because you know working girls, prostitutes,
Speaker 1: and they were working on the island of Huai. Who
Speaker 1: you've got. You have navy, you have navy, you have
Speaker 1: marines there, and you have army, and and those guys
Speaker 1: only have a weekend. They don't have a lot of
Speaker 1: times to create relationship. So and then you have a
Speaker 1: lot of tourists there. So you're saying the US government
Speaker 1: since your holes. Well, I'm just saying prostitution is accepted
Speaker 1: in certain places. To keep it everything. It's always been
Speaker 1: in the military. Yeah, it's a lot of it's a
Speaker 1: lot of guys on that island, right, So kind of
Speaker 1: like it was a good place to get your pimpen.
Speaker 1: So I'm over there and homeboy was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you cut for this and this that in the third
Speaker 1: and I'm like, yeah, you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: I'm in the service. And so then when I got home,
Speaker 1: we was we was when we would rob and ship.
Speaker 1: We had girls. We was working plastic like even thing
Speaker 1: it's talking about. They did sliding credit cards. It's an
Speaker 1: old game. That's an old games. Were getting the micro
Speaker 1: film and we were making the credit cards, and we
Speaker 1: had the military, the I D s. We were printing
Speaker 1: them and ship. We've been doing that ship for years.
Speaker 1: That's nothing new. This new credit card game. Now they
Speaker 1: got a chip. Okay, new game, and you figured that
Speaker 1: one out. Motherfucker. They got a chip for your punk ass.
Speaker 1: You ain't sliding shipping them. You know how to take
Speaker 1: the credit cards, tacking it. That's all these niggas is
Speaker 1: gonna lose their Gucci belts. But anyway, so I'm in that.
Speaker 1: So we we we would always keep females in our
Speaker 1: click and stuff. So eventually I started reading this Iceberg
Speaker 1: slim ship not decide. I wanted to pimp on the bit.
Speaker 1: You know. So my girls was trying to run. They
Speaker 1: was trying to They're looking for they was trying to escape.
Speaker 1: I remember, I just want chick named Mary. So I'm trying.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to, you know, get her out there,
Speaker 1: like let's go get this money and ship like that.
Speaker 1: And she ran in one of my partners like I
Speaker 1: just pimping on me. He's pimping like that, and then
Speaker 1: he come to tell me to bit choosing, like she
Speaker 1: ain't choosing. Nigga, you were arrest having for holes trying
Speaker 1: to get away from this pimping I'm trying to put on.
Speaker 1: But I was close enough. I mean, pimping is not
Speaker 1: very difficult to do. All you just need is a
Speaker 1: girl just willing to shit and and hustle. I wasn't
Speaker 1: no big time pimp like uh, you know, bishoping them.
Speaker 1: But you know, I mean every other nigga probably have
Speaker 1: sent the bitch before. I mean, just sending a girl
Speaker 1: to perform the act of prostitution and bring you the money. Okay,
Speaker 1: That's what pimping is, all right. So I dabbled in
Speaker 1: all types of levels of the game, but I was
Speaker 1: no knockdown, drag out pimp with a catalyt. Let me
Speaker 1: let me tell you some very difficult let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. Let me tell you something. I watched pimp suppose. Now,
Speaker 1: I watched a couple of other movies and for a
Speaker 1: week I thought I was a pimp. I think that's
Speaker 1: my wife. This story might get shut down here. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my wife. Luck she's But so what happened was,
Speaker 1: let me get the story out here. Oh I got
Speaker 1: some great what happened story? Bishop don't want comes to
Speaker 1: the hood, laugh, gives me my cup and says, you
Speaker 1: were one of the famous players of the year war.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, I don't know because I get why
Speaker 1: he's giving me the famous player to yeah, boar war,
Speaker 1: But I know I'm not a pimp like I do that.
Speaker 1: So girls, you're sleeping high and I walk into this
Speaker 1: club and I said, bits chu, I don't know why
Speaker 1: I said this, and if it saying yeah, I choose
Speaker 1: you all the good game, all of them kid of
Speaker 1: me and said you don't know what you're doing, and
Speaker 1: it's it's true, But how does that How does a
Speaker 1: person get into pimping? I mean, basically, you gotta find
Speaker 1: a female that's like hose are hose without actually without
Speaker 1: a pimp? You know, every girl knows a girl that
Speaker 1: thinks that they can use that as a method of operating.
Speaker 1: We used to call the strip club the indoor track,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's it's like they're
Speaker 1: not actually prostitutes, but they're working inside of an element.
Speaker 1: But it's still any time you're actually given somebody some
Speaker 1: type of sexual um for money that you don't like them,
Speaker 1: you're prostituting yourself. Even a woman who's going out to
Speaker 1: dinner with a guy for a pair of shoes and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, she's actually prostituting herself. Even in this business,
Speaker 1: sometimes they asked us to do ship, not that even sexually,
Speaker 1: and you would like, damn, man, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm giving up myself for the money, you understand. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, how do you get into any game?
Speaker 1: You know, you you you desire it, you want it,
Speaker 1: and then you got to find willing participants, you know.
Speaker 1: So I had these girls that were thieves and stuff,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to turn them out into being hosed,
Speaker 1: but they was like they were resisting. And ship, I mean,
Speaker 1: I had I had some crazy story. I took one story.
Speaker 1: I told him one of the movies was me and
Speaker 1: my partner Gary Barnette. We uh, we knocked and bra.
Speaker 1: So they was hose from up north and stuff. So
Speaker 1: we got on our ship. We and their pimp when
Speaker 1: you say area, but these bitches was real prostitute, right,
Speaker 1: so we want to be pimps. We're trying to get
Speaker 1: out and well we figured that out, so we put yeah.
Speaker 1: So we sent the broad so we like Gary tent
Speaker 1: To brought to the casino. He riding behind her in
Speaker 1: the car, trying to watch the bitch, and the dude
Speaker 1: in the car sees it, starts whipping. The bitch asks
Speaker 1: like you gotta nigga following me throughout the out the
Speaker 1: motherfucking car. She getting the car, like Nigga, how long
Speaker 1: have you been doing this? Like like I don't know.
Speaker 1: So that night they get back to the hotel, Nigga's
Speaker 1: go to sleep. They wake up the next day stole
Speaker 1: his car. See the holes. The hose was smarter than
Speaker 1: the players in that situation. So Pip is difficult, and
Speaker 1: and I don't like a lot of stuff that I've
Speaker 1: been through in my life. I don't promote it has
Speaker 1: something to do. I just say it was something that
Speaker 1: I've been through. I'm not able to promote anything all
Speaker 1: all crime and all hustles are negative at the base
Speaker 1: of them, you know. But you know, at the moment
Speaker 1: you ever see Fargo, why quote that line? It seemed
Speaker 1: like the right thing to do at the time. You know,
Speaker 1: in my circumstances. What was around me, drug dealers, killers, gangsters.
Speaker 1: I thought, well, ship, since I'm flying, I got long here,
Speaker 1: maybe I should be working with these girls. But I
Speaker 1: didn't make no fortune off of that. I made most
Speaker 1: of my money robing jury stores. That was some noise
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Speaker 1: bank but that's what that's what my click, occasional bang.
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Speaker 1: Radio with Rapper and r N. And now I heard
Speaker 1: a story. Oh you and ben Zeno having conflict. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ben Zeno actually being on the West coast, and ben
Speaker 1: Zino has described it as you having two hundred different
Speaker 1: gang members with you. He said you could have actually
Speaker 1: killed him there. Yeah, and you walked over now he
Speaker 1: walked over to you. The thing of it is is
Speaker 1: killing people is not that simple. I mean, do you
Speaker 1: carry that with you foreverage? So you can't just you
Speaker 1: know a lot of times, you know what was the beef,
Speaker 1: even people dispatching, and you just choose not to do
Speaker 1: you want to sleep with that on your head. That's
Speaker 1: not my thing. You know, I'll protect myself and I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna attack a person. So, um, what
Speaker 1: happened was back during the cop killer days. We've had
Speaker 1: cop killer songs, correct, But we were both far Warner Brothers.
Speaker 1: But he was with a group called Mark Almighty Hour
Speaker 1: or so. So what happened was when I pulled out
Speaker 1: for Warner Brothers because the president was after me, and
Speaker 1: ship got hot. Night ended up pomping pulling the source
Speaker 1: magazine came down said Ice as a coward. He gave
Speaker 1: in I'm like, how my coward to President Night States
Speaker 1: is after me? This is real ship. Wait wait wait, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: time on what you just said. So you just said
Speaker 1: you just said the cop Color record. Yeah, got hot.
Speaker 1: And then and then the president what was the bus
Speaker 1: son of a bush? Was the son of a bush? Bush? Yeah? Yeah, yeah?
Speaker 1: The bush was on my ass and so was dan
Speaker 1: Quail And they said they said they was after me.
Speaker 1: They was like, yeah, they wanted my head, they wanted
Speaker 1: Ali North, wanted to try me for sedition, which is
Speaker 1: punishable by death. They was on my bumper. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: was on my bumper for this song. Cock Colors was
Speaker 1: a major situation. So you know, we pulled the record
Speaker 1: off of Warner and all the rapping niggas had something
Speaker 1: to say about it, like, oh you know giving in now.
Speaker 1: Chuck Dee to this ground said, look, if y'all ain't
Speaker 1: in the war, you shouldn't comment on the battles. You
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on. This ship is real. Real
Speaker 1: secret service pulled my daughter out of school and chaster
Speaker 1: was I connected to paramilitary Oregan? They wanted to see
Speaker 1: if I was really a threat. See this is Nori.
Speaker 1: This is the problem. When the president says your name,
Speaker 1: the deepest background check of your life happens instantly. They
Speaker 1: know everything from your shoe side to your mother's blood type.
Speaker 1: Why because this next question could be what do we
Speaker 1: know about him? They can't be he's a rapper, like
Speaker 1: this is this, this is this, this is this, this
Speaker 1: is It happens instantly, so when that happens to you,
Speaker 1: you feel it. To long story short, I'm going through
Speaker 1: this bullshit. So Rso ben Zeno and them come out
Speaker 1: and make some statement. Your iced teas a sucker because
Speaker 1: he pulled and because he pulled that call, you mean
Speaker 1: pulled the record cop Killer was on on the first
Speaker 1: Body Count album. I pulled cop Killer off and put
Speaker 1: a record called Freedom of Speech. I did it because
Speaker 1: I didn't want them to pigeonhole me. And in my
Speaker 1: career right there, I got a lot of other ship.
Speaker 1: I need to say. It's not just about this one song.
Speaker 1: They were trying to take a nigga out New jack
Speaker 1: City too, didn't happen because of that record. When I
Speaker 1: said it was on my ship, it was it was
Speaker 1: like you say, it was bigger than rap So Bengino
Speaker 1: or whoever whatever spokesperson made this comment, Well you know
Speaker 1: I was. I was. I was under siege. At that point,
Speaker 1: I didn't need no rap niggas popping off like oh
Speaker 1: this nigg is that in the third I'm like, you
Speaker 1: don't really even know what's going on, right, So of
Speaker 1: course nigg is in my circle. We knew who our
Speaker 1: enemies were. We always keep nigga's abreast, so who was
Speaker 1: out there? So they popped up on our charts like okay,
Speaker 1: these niggas are And so I was popping off about
Speaker 1: ice who woo this niggas popped you know, we know
Speaker 1: who's you know, who may not be a friend. So
Speaker 1: we were at an event and uh, there they were
Speaker 1: and there I was, and niggas seen him before me.
Speaker 1: Nigga's like, yo, ain't that them niggas? And uh, I
Speaker 1: won't pre internet? Yeah, and I he saw two hundred niggas.
Speaker 1: I man, I don't know how many niggas I had,
Speaker 1: but I was. I had the whole West coast with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. I had the whole West
Speaker 1: coast with me. So I just walked up on him.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, man, whatever you niggas think I said
Speaker 1: it did is all this Rob roys uncalled for. Man,
Speaker 1: I did what I had to do and it didn't
Speaker 1: affect y'all. Just all it is. Yeah, well and they
Speaker 1: kind of like renigged. Yeah, we was mad, we was hard.
Speaker 1: It was an interview. There was really no beef. It
Speaker 1: was just a missing said. It was a miscommunicated how
Speaker 1: to speak, and that's what real men do. That's what
Speaker 1: real men do. So you know that was it. But
Speaker 1: I want you to describe this cop Killer record because
Speaker 1: you single handedly made the world pay attention to wrap
Speaker 1: by this cop Killer record. Now, it wasn't now now
Speaker 1: it's a record that these young brothers would love to praise.
Speaker 1: But what made what? What? What? What? What made you
Speaker 1: even think about make a great question record. We were
Speaker 1: in the studio making you know, body count, and uh,
Speaker 1: I was singing a song by a group called the
Speaker 1: Talking Heads called Psycho Killer. You go psycho Killers succeed.
Speaker 1: So I'm singing that and my drummer, beat Master v
Speaker 1: rest In Peace goes, we need a cop killer right now?
Speaker 1: What you ain't had no beef for police? No, we
Speaker 1: had police people. This is free Rodney King. You know
Speaker 1: we know what the cops is doing before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so my niggas like yo, you know Vickers right there
Speaker 1: on the front line. So he's like, yo, man, we
Speaker 1: need a cop killer. You know, the cops rolled up
Speaker 1: on such and such, they shot him, they dragged his
Speaker 1: baby moms. You know, this will do lo ship. And
Speaker 1: so I started thinking about it, and I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: what if somebody snapped and this went on one after
Speaker 1: the cops based on police brutality. And that's the hook
Speaker 1: is cop killer is better you than me? Cop killer?
Speaker 1: Police brutality. Cop killer. I know your family's grieving, Fuck them,
Speaker 1: cop killer tonight we get even. And so it's it
Speaker 1: was more about this guy who lost his mind based
Speaker 1: around police brutality, which just recently happened. Now people actually
Speaker 1: have started taking off on the cops. It took a
Speaker 1: little while, but I predicted it. I wasn't promoting it.
Speaker 1: I just I was singing the third you know, the
Speaker 1: first person. I become different people in my records. That's
Speaker 1: just part of the art. You know. I could sing.
Speaker 1: It's like if I was a heroine attic and I've
Speaker 1: never been on it, but I can sing and act
Speaker 1: like it and give you the imagery of it. You
Speaker 1: did so, But that scrutiny, it started from the President
Speaker 1: the President said. They started with the Fraternal Order of
Speaker 1: Police out of Dallas Austin, Texas. They came after me
Speaker 1: because during this they no, they just said that Warner
Speaker 1: Brothers put out this inflammatory record and they should be
Speaker 1: band and boycotted. And then Chaunton Hesson came out and
Speaker 1: they just went on one. Because of the time, the
Speaker 1: cops were under siege for doing the same ship they're
Speaker 1: doing now. This was back then, so the best way
Speaker 1: to take the heat off them is to attack somebody else.
Speaker 1: So they picked me kind of like the Willie Horton thing.
Speaker 1: They picked me as a target and so they came
Speaker 1: down like, dude, I'm sitting at the house, let me
Speaker 1: date myself. We were playing Techno Bowl that so I'm
Speaker 1: playing Techno Bowl and Nigger comes one of my homies like, yo,
Speaker 1: I this is on TV right now. The President it's
Speaker 1: talking ship about you. Like what yo really for? Really?
Speaker 1: We're like we changed the channel and the President and
Speaker 1: Ice tick Niggas was like that you ever did one
Speaker 1: of the O ships? Like oh, O ship? Like oh,
Speaker 1: like we knew this was big, like al Qa and ship. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And and then it just started to happen, you know,
Speaker 1: you could feel him. You know that I got taxotted
Speaker 1: it three times into two year period. Uh, I had
Speaker 1: ice cream trucks sitting in front of my house in
Speaker 1: the middle of the winter, you know, because they had
Speaker 1: to really figure out was I trying to call people
Speaker 1: the arms, which which I wasn't. It was just a record.
Speaker 1: It was just a protest song. So you know, I
Speaker 1: lived through that and I found out who my friends were.
Speaker 1: You know, they don't care about hip hop. Hip Hop
Speaker 1: can back you, but when hip hop back you, hip
Speaker 1: hop is one big nigga. Just it's just one nigga.
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk. How many rappers come to
Speaker 1: your aid, that's just one niggad. You need someone outside
Speaker 1: of hip hop the back if you get in trouble,
Speaker 1: all the Rapid band together, we are all just one nigga. Now,
Speaker 1: you you need maybe Quincy Jones, you know who's not
Speaker 1: considered a nigga, you know, somebody but yeah, might still
Speaker 1: be considered. But no, that's what they'll do when he
Speaker 1: came if he came out and saying that, well, you
Speaker 1: know he's a rapper, and they'll throw him in there
Speaker 1: with the Yeah, you need someone outside, you know, Martin
Speaker 1: Scorsese or someone to coming back with your Tarantino in
Speaker 1: the back. He's he went up against the college, someone
Speaker 1: who's unexpected to back you. So anyway, I took the heat,
Speaker 1: and you know, I wrote it out like you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't bring anybody else into it. I didn't say, hey,
Speaker 1: this other rap group, of this rock group. I just
Speaker 1: handled it myself the way I've been. You know, I
Speaker 1: was raised by Jez and I I still adhere to
Speaker 1: that code. You know, that's your drama. You deal with it,
Speaker 1: you dig So I dealt with it, you know. And
Speaker 1: if it wasn't, because I mean it was, you did
Speaker 1: Uncle Luke, because if you first, then Uncle Luke and
Speaker 1: Uncle Luke, then death Row, the death roy n he
Speaker 1: was the first what I'm saying that he dealt with
Speaker 1: right right loose? Yeah, yeah, it was. The president was
Speaker 1: on FBI. FBI was yeah. But then when they drop
Speaker 1: death Row with Ted Turner because they were concerned it
Speaker 1: was it was a ripple effect. Dion Warwick was involved
Speaker 1: in all these people. Yeah, and the Lori's tuck up.
Speaker 1: Let me give you a jewel. Though it's not hip
Speaker 1: hop that they we're afraid of. They were afraid the
Speaker 1: fact that white kids were getting this information. It's like,
Speaker 1: as long as you sing to the hood, no one
Speaker 1: really cares because they already say we won, big nigger.
Speaker 1: But once we express it and they see their little
Speaker 1: daughters just walking around for the police and cock Killer,
Speaker 1: and then now you're infecting the rest of the world,
Speaker 1: and that's when you become a threat. So that's when
Speaker 1: when they saw me have you know, thousands of white
Speaker 1: kids yelling police with me, they were like, we gotta
Speaker 1: deal with this cat, right because he's infected. That's why
Speaker 1: one of my alms was called home invasion, because it
Speaker 1: was me saying, you know, we've invaded your kids. You
Speaker 1: know we're in there. You gotta respective on cops. And
Speaker 1: now that you play one wait wait that Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got going there, Charlie, I got I gotta gotta mention
Speaker 1: it to my manner. Yes, let's say, great interview. Let's
Speaker 1: interview that I like good questions. You know you're doing
Speaker 1: interview in the niggas and you dun't question you alright,
Speaker 1: how long have you been in the NBA? What are
Speaker 1: you talking about? So now, The Cop Killer, one of
Speaker 1: my favorite records of all time still to this day,
Speaker 1: is created. I still want to create. I actually think
Speaker 1: I created this record over but I didn't do it
Speaker 1: justice you did it, goes I am. If y'all know
Speaker 1: the record, If you're real hip hop, man, I open
Speaker 1: another bottom. We already got the bottles open. Come over here,
Speaker 1: come over, you're the bar. But lax, relax, that's right there.
Speaker 1: I want everybody, if you real hip hop, to sing along,
Speaker 1: help me sing along. I am a nightmare walking psychopath
Speaker 1: talking yo yo from when what was the movie Let
Speaker 1: me let me right before? Was that was that inspired?
Speaker 1: Or before the movie? Did you already know? You say?
Speaker 1: Let let me take it to where it was going
Speaker 1: to where I was going. I hadn't heard of California
Speaker 1: at this time. What year it was? Colors? Can you
Speaker 1: google it? Has I wanna be that's gonna be like
Speaker 1: ninety two? I think you got But I had heard
Speaker 1: of California. We had, we had, we had, we had.
Speaker 1: You know, we're all off. I'm not visions of California,
Speaker 1: but this is the first time, in my opinion, this
Speaker 1: is the original California Love Colors. And when I heard that,
Speaker 1: when I sink the movie, I had no idea that
Speaker 1: was popping off? Right, What the funk was going on
Speaker 1: in the West Coast, oh I used to see was beaches, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had no idea you could get killed in California
Speaker 1: until Colors, like I had. I knew about killer, but
Speaker 1: I was just like, I didn't know what colors were
Speaker 1: before color. Colors was colors before I thought, yea, Colors.
Speaker 1: What happened with Colors was they was doing this movie
Speaker 1: called Colors. Dennis Hopper was directing it, and apparently they
Speaker 1: it was gonna be a Warner Brothers film. And due
Speaker 1: to the fact it was Warner Brothers film, I was
Speaker 1: the first rappers signed to Warner Brothers. So they're gonna,
Speaker 1: of course look at my music first. So they had
Speaker 1: they wanted to use a song I did call Squeeze
Speaker 1: the Trigger off my first album, and the movie was
Speaker 1: already done. You got a movie, Stiff, so they got that.
Speaker 1: They got they got this scene with Don Cheeto in it,
Speaker 1: you know, Rocket, and he was listening to my songs.
Speaker 1: So I'm like, well, let me if you want to
Speaker 1: if you want to use my song, let me see
Speaker 1: the movie. So I got to see the movie. So
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the movie, I'm like, Okay, there's some
Speaker 1: wrong ship in it because at the time the Blacks
Speaker 1: wasn't fighting the Mexicans. You know, there was some other stuff.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, it still kind of gives you an overall,
Speaker 1: you know, the most real ship is when you see
Speaker 1: the hanking in the county with thirty eight hundred and
Speaker 1: the crypts and the bloods across with the fence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was powerful, but they never let that main niggas
Speaker 1: out at the same time. But s again, there's a
Speaker 1: scene where you see them and coming at the crypt
Speaker 1: module and you see the crypt module on one side
Speaker 1: and the Blood module and they're in that year. But no,
Speaker 1: they never let that many people out. And also in jail,
Speaker 1: you don't wear all the colors like that, you know,
Speaker 1: so they let them in jail. You're in a uniform
Speaker 1: by this, but they showed it like that to kind
Speaker 1: of you know. So I'm sitting there so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna critique that out. I'm happy they're making
Speaker 1: a movie now. When they wanted to do the movie,
Speaker 1: first they said let's shoot it in Chicago, and then
Speaker 1: Dennis Hopperson, let's shot it in l a the people said,
Speaker 1: we have gangs in l A, that it would have
Speaker 1: been about Chicago. Well they did. They wanted to make
Speaker 1: a movie about gangs, but they didn't know there were
Speaker 1: games in l A. That year, three hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: kids had died, almost one a day in l A.
Speaker 1: But no one even it wasn't spoken. It's like black
Speaker 1: lives matter, No one talks about us. We're just getting killed.
Speaker 1: So so I'm like, okay. So I watched the movie.
Speaker 1: So I said, do they have a title song? And
Speaker 1: they had a song, and if you want to track
Speaker 1: the movement, get the color soundtrack. B side last record
Speaker 1: is a song by Rick James called Colors. It's whack.
Speaker 1: It's like Rick James, look at all these colors. You know,
Speaker 1: Rick James out. So I'm like, no, I can't funk.
Speaker 1: So I told Africa Islam, who was produced me at
Speaker 1: the time, I said, let's make a record. I said,
Speaker 1: I know this gang ship like the back of my hand.
Speaker 1: I mean, let's take him in the brain of a
Speaker 1: gang banger. So at the time I was vibing here's
Speaker 1: another something you never know. I was vibing off a
Speaker 1: King's son's record. Methological mythological meth metholot. Remember he comes
Speaker 1: on when I get ill, it's a reason because it
Speaker 1: duck season. Why I am a nightmare walking psychopath talking's mythlage.
Speaker 1: I think, rapp we in, you're influencing each other. You're
Speaker 1: not biting because you never knew. But I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm coming in like King's son because he said when
Speaker 1: I get ill, it's a reason because it's duck season.
Speaker 1: Hunter of the front of you know, I like that
Speaker 1: ship is just came in. I am a nightmare walking psycho.
Speaker 1: Same ship. So I wrote the song, did the video.
Speaker 1: It was so big. People thought I was in the
Speaker 1: movie People walking to me, like y'all saw you in college. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in the movie, And I saw the movie so many times.
Speaker 1: But now that movie, the song might be bigger. That
Speaker 1: movie was single handley the introduction to California lifestyle and
Speaker 1: put me in the game. Because all my other records,
Speaker 1: I was still bubbling. But that was a national hit.
Speaker 1: I mean that crossed all and that, and everybody wanted
Speaker 1: to see the guy that make colors. So I went
Speaker 1: out on the Dope Champ tour with Eric B and
Speaker 1: rock Him, Douggie Fresh Kumo du Bis Marquee uh and
Speaker 1: and I was out there with them. I was the
Speaker 1: only West West Coast crazy performed that song and that
Speaker 1: we shut him down. And you know, it's funny because
Speaker 1: Eric b and then was kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: l A Niggers. They had that New York ship going
Speaker 1: and they you know, they had to change and Supreme
Speaker 1: uh Matt Mathematics Great Magnetic was out there from this
Speaker 1: sept becomes Brooklyn. So we got we My intel had
Speaker 1: told me, you know, I've got my own intel. I'm
Speaker 1: like the CIA that like, Okay, he's the one watched him.
Speaker 1: He's a shooter. I don't walk Intore, I don't walk
Speaker 1: I know what's going on. So they was like, okay,
Speaker 1: this one's live and it's one right there and he's cool.
Speaker 1: So they was looking at us. They had no idea
Speaker 1: who we were, and we showed up. They were like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are l A gang members, Like it's crazy. We
Speaker 1: had all that. We had just the same ship they had,
Speaker 1: but the West Coast version of it. And when I
Speaker 1: hit the scene, I came out and I opened with
Speaker 1: Colors on the tour and this ship rocked like I
Speaker 1: just came out that the whole stadium, and they and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden caress one started talking to me.
Speaker 1: Everybody on the tour realized that I was pulling my
Speaker 1: mother right out, and we all became close friends when
Speaker 1: I came into our friends today, But they were sized
Speaker 1: me about the gate. No, but did you understand that Colors?
Speaker 1: And in a way like right now, you can look
Speaker 1: at you going to the hall im and I'm sure
Speaker 1: because you live in New York for real, right Like,
Speaker 1: you're not a fake guy who just business New York,
Speaker 1: New York Jersey. You're around, You've been around at places
Speaker 1: I'll be at. I'm like, dad, Yeah, So did you
Speaker 1: ever think that from Colors that New York would be
Speaker 1: gang banging the way New York is? I still don't
Speaker 1: truly understand it, Like I roll with Tretch a lot,
Speaker 1: right and treach Bloods over and orgy with the bloods.
Speaker 1: You know, I can't really get it, totally understand it.
Speaker 1: But one thing I do understand is respect a nigger
Speaker 1: with a gun. You know. You know I'm gonna walk
Speaker 1: up to a nigga said, well, you're a fake gang banger.
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, it's a fake bullet to take this,
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know, you know, when when
Speaker 1: you're from l A and you hear guys in other
Speaker 1: cities saying their hoover crips but they've never seen the street,
Speaker 1: or they're you know, you know whatever. You know, they're sixty,
Speaker 1: but they're from Florida. So I'm like, how how is
Speaker 1: that possible? Because sixties is a street and all of
Speaker 1: them thirties and the streets the forties or a street
Speaker 1: h s eighty third Street's usually the hottest street in
Speaker 1: that ten block radius. Is a street that gets named
Speaker 1: like one, eleven and twelve. Oh so so you know,
Speaker 1: I learned, but I know how it happened. What happened
Speaker 1: was when the drug trade really hit and it stopped
Speaker 1: coming through Florida, it started to come through Mexico. I
Speaker 1: should I even tell this story. Nobody listens to and
Speaker 1: this is old game. But what happened was the coke
Speaker 1: became less expensive in California, and as it moved across
Speaker 1: the country, it became instantly like a key with double
Speaker 1: So everybody in l A was trying to put the
Speaker 1: game on the road. So you got a cousin in Seattle, right,
Speaker 1: So you send a couple of homies up to Seattle
Speaker 1: and you say, Okay, at this point, y'all niggas playboy
Speaker 1: gangster crips because that's where set we from. And these
Speaker 1: niggas are from Seattle and they don't really know about it.
Speaker 1: But then there's some real and we take these niggas
Speaker 1: and get them khakis and ship like that. Then maybe
Speaker 1: you might send the nigga from l A to put
Speaker 1: some work in. They ain't never seen violence like that before,
Speaker 1: you know, they turned out and they move and wait,
Speaker 1: and this happens all over the country, niggas coming in
Speaker 1: from St. Louis. So there's somebody from l A that
Speaker 1: took that gang out there. Now are they respected in
Speaker 1: l A well to an extent? But you can't come.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're from whatever, Wyoming or whatever.
Speaker 1: And you come to l A and you actually in
Speaker 1: Hoover's Hood and you claiming Hoover, you're gonna bow down
Speaker 1: that street, that actual street, the niggas on that block,
Speaker 1: that's the gs. So I I you know, I I
Speaker 1: I was up in Harlem and I met some bloods, right,
Speaker 1: So I was like, they're like, yeah, nigga, I used
Speaker 1: were blood. So I'm like like that. I said, okay,
Speaker 1: like that he said you was a crip right, and
Speaker 1: they're like yeah, it was cool. I'm like, well, you
Speaker 1: ain't cool with me, you know, like if is really banging, right,
Speaker 1: I said, well, gang banging is an act of murder.
Speaker 1: So then they was like they was like, I said,
Speaker 1: somebody ship show me a blood sign. So they did
Speaker 1: like this. I was like, turn it upside down. I said,
Speaker 1: that's a blood sign too. They were excited. They were like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so he definitely be I just turned it upside that's
Speaker 1: a blood sign. Like I'm giving him gang tutoring. They
Speaker 1: were like thank you, Like like I was like, man,
Speaker 1: but nobody that comes from that wants it to happen.
Speaker 1: The gang thing happened we were young kids was out
Speaker 1: there were protect in the neighborhood, and it got taken
Speaker 1: out of control once the drugs came in. Once the
Speaker 1: drugs came in, its split into little sets. So now
Speaker 1: crypt is fighting crips blood and Nikki's don't care what color.
Speaker 1: So you're saying back then, crips wasn't fighting Chris because
Speaker 1: it seems like crips always have be for crips. No no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no. If he was a crip, was but
Speaker 1: now it sets. The sets just splinter. They splinter. So say,
Speaker 1: for instance, we all won crip set and then you
Speaker 1: got the sack and you, like nigga, we the norriy crips.
Speaker 1: Now we us for this splinter. That's what happened, he said,
Speaker 1: because the price of the drugs went down, like when
Speaker 1: Escobar went down and it all started going through Mexico.
Speaker 1: The creed it's creating, it's just greed. It's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: the trade came to l A, but greed, greed, it's
Speaker 1: just you. He's the boss. You start counting his money.
Speaker 1: As soon as the A side nigga starts counting the
Speaker 1: boss's money, you have the potential for deceit and you
Speaker 1: think it happened. So you always telling me, man, nor
Speaker 1: he's making a little bit too much money. You why
Speaker 1: are you counting the boss's money? Man? Why are you
Speaker 1: worried about what he's making? And eventually you're gonna say, man,
Speaker 1: let's go this way, and that happens. And in any
Speaker 1: type of organism, gang culture, let me ask you a
Speaker 1: question and gang culture. Can there ever be one leader
Speaker 1: or no? Yeah, the leader of each set. I wrote
Speaker 1: what the dude named Tony Bogard, who was uh the
Speaker 1: leader of Imperial Courts of the p J. Watts Crips,
Speaker 1: which is a whole project. And I've seen him walk
Speaker 1: into a like a wrecked room, a room and hatting.
Speaker 1: I've seen a hunter niggers stand up and like when
Speaker 1: he get quiet until he came in and they sat down.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, that was a g but they killed him. Wow,
Speaker 1: you know he's on. I mean, you know the thing
Speaker 1: about gang membership is thinking about crime period is everyone
Speaker 1: is a liar, a cheater, a thief, a double ca
Speaker 1: I mean, you're dealing with a group of bandits. You think,
Speaker 1: so anything could happen. You know, you hope there's loyalty
Speaker 1: inside of it, but you're dealing a bunch of murderers.
Speaker 1: Everyone is cold blooded, you know, to your your ideas
Speaker 1: to get the funk out of there as soon as possible.
Speaker 1: And you know that's why I'm square as a pool
Speaker 1: table twice as green. I wouldn't steal a nickel off
Speaker 1: the mantel peach. I'm not really, I'm not really you know,
Speaker 1: I'm fortunate I lived through it, but it's not what
Speaker 1: I'm about no more. I don't want to live like that. Man.
Speaker 1: That's just crazy. Now, Ice, you survive the aw the
Speaker 1: scrutiny from the Copkiller record. You you you you? You
Speaker 1: pull out the Colors record of Color record, bring you everywhere?
Speaker 1: Now where is Ice at? When he hears end Way
Speaker 1: the ball release us that when well I knew, you know,
Speaker 1: I knew end up Way because n w A used
Speaker 1: to open for me. We used to go out, Yeah
Speaker 1: you just said that, mad nonchal lotly and I had
Speaker 1: to be around Colors too as well, you're gonna do cute,
Speaker 1: they'll take out n w A. We would all tour together,
Speaker 1: would be n w A iced T D O C.
Speaker 1: And then when Easy put out his record, they split
Speaker 1: it and they tried to, you know, do Easy with
Speaker 1: another group and we would all go all over the
Speaker 1: place together. We used to fight together. We used to
Speaker 1: get out there and get it gone because we were
Speaker 1: West Coast, you know, Cuban mayor life brothers. I love
Speaker 1: Cube like we we're close. I used to um when
Speaker 1: they came out with the police, we was out there wrapping.
Speaker 1: We're out there rapping and they hit him in the
Speaker 1: head with that. I'm like, oh, ship, but see, I
Speaker 1: always see the first time you heard it was on
Speaker 1: tour though, Yeah, because easy And they were playing it
Speaker 1: before they dropped it, so I heard it on the radio.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, y'all is about to go there? Because
Speaker 1: I used to say I used to say fun the
Speaker 1: police on my shows, right, so I don't. When I
Speaker 1: would before I would do six in the morning, I
Speaker 1: would go out and I would say, Yo, the police
Speaker 1: told me I can't do this song right. And then
Speaker 1: I would like, get the audience pipped up and I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, I say fuck the police, and the
Speaker 1: crowd went crazy. So maybe a little light went off
Speaker 1: an Easy Heads like I have something right here. But
Speaker 1: I used to say, I say I had an echo.
Speaker 1: I said, my name is I iced T. I gotta
Speaker 1: rep like a killer killer. No one gets Wilder, no
Speaker 1: one gets illa Ella. I don't get high. I don't
Speaker 1: drink Miller Miller. But if your girl's empty, I'm sure
Speaker 1: I can fill it. Filler. I make stupid ass records
Speaker 1: because I just don't care. Motherfucker's can't even play my
Speaker 1: Ship on the air. But y'all know you like it,
Speaker 1: you say you want more, because every time I leave
Speaker 1: the crib to go to the store, I hear six
Speaker 1: in the mooning police at my door. Four Like I was,
Speaker 1: like I was, I was. I was with them at
Speaker 1: the time, and you know, it was, it was. It
Speaker 1: was a movement, and I always knew and to me, honestly,
Speaker 1: n w A I needed in w A because I
Speaker 1: was by myself and the half four more cats rolling.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, we weren't enemy. So it's like, and
Speaker 1: you know, now they would always hit harder than me
Speaker 1: because I'm one rapper versus a gang of motherfucker's rapping
Speaker 1: and it sounds better when people are spitting on top
Speaker 1: of each other. But and then they wrote some incredible records.
Speaker 1: Then they had the neighborhood. No no, no, they're from
Speaker 1: different areas. Cubans from a hundred and twentieth Street. I'm
Speaker 1: from the forties. And like so I knew dub C.
Speaker 1: Dub C used to be beat box for Clientele, who
Speaker 1: was in the Wrecking Group. So but that's the thing.
Speaker 1: L A is a small tree, like you guys hip hop, Oh,
Speaker 1: here's a big tree. Everything in l A is either
Speaker 1: n w A and who they became, the syndicate, my
Speaker 1: crew and who they became, which included Cypress Hill which
Speaker 1: crews ever Last when Crew does pain and in Laddin
Speaker 1: them or a few groups who weren't Delicious Final, which
Speaker 1: was Tone Logan Young MC. So if there's beef in
Speaker 1: l A, you can call me Que Snoop, you know,
Speaker 1: and shut it down, because there's only it's everyone that
Speaker 1: comes up from under us. So that's why the only
Speaker 1: time there was ever be from the West Coast was
Speaker 1: family feud when they fought and everybody just had to
Speaker 1: step back because I'm gonna get between Easy and Que
Speaker 1: when I know, you know, it's a family fuse. So
Speaker 1: when the police came out, did you know exactly what
Speaker 1: they was gonna go through at the night. I had
Speaker 1: no idea because because you were the first, we were
Speaker 1: hardcore wrap though they weren't really fucking with us like that.
Speaker 1: I didn't have no idea that the police would intervene.
Speaker 1: I had no idea they were actually going through the
Speaker 1: body counting yet. Yeah, after we were going through cursing ship.
Speaker 1: It's after came out first. Yeah, Yeah, I got my
Speaker 1: history funt a cop killer came off. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: Cop Killer didn't come out to uh body count didn't
Speaker 1: come out to the O g out now, So that
Speaker 1: was later. But they did it first and we were
Speaker 1: already getting in trouble for cursing. This is how bullshit
Speaker 1: shows at shows. Remember this is the loop thing. And
Speaker 1: if you if you curse, we're gonna arrest you. That
Speaker 1: was you can't curse. So they would show up at
Speaker 1: the shows and show us that ship, and then what
Speaker 1: we would do is we would do the show and
Speaker 1: the cops would be on the side and they used
Speaker 1: to shut the lights off and I would jump off
Speaker 1: into the pit and run out the side like so
Speaker 1: we would run from the cops and then we would
Speaker 1: get the tour bus and we would get to the
Speaker 1: next stage. He really paved the way for us. That's
Speaker 1: just one of the total perspective when the person says
Speaker 1: it like that. Because Luke said it, and I thought
Speaker 1: Luke was being bad. I didn't know who was being
Speaker 1: bad for cursing. I thought it was being bad for
Speaker 1: being vulgar. Cursing in the Bible belt when you're down there.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, they were UNTI that they would show up
Speaker 1: at the show with a piece of paper that says,
Speaker 1: if you curse, we will shut the show. That and
Speaker 1: that was my my queue to go harder, like, yo,
Speaker 1: funk that. You know what I'm saying, We're gonna come
Speaker 1: out here. And I would always say the police on me,
Speaker 1: and you know that just got the ship even more
Speaker 1: crazy and stuff like that. But but but my whole
Speaker 1: thing was I had already been breaking the law, right
Speaker 1: so whatever this charge was was nothing. I was like,
Speaker 1: compared to what I was doing. I'm going to jail
Speaker 1: for talking kids my motherfucking let's go, you know. And
Speaker 1: I had money, and I'm like Luke Bell, I mean,
Speaker 1: i knew it was a petty charge, So I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know, so that that was that. We used to
Speaker 1: run from the police a lot weak. I remember we
Speaker 1: had a big gass fight we had. We had lots
Speaker 1: of fights out there on the road. We because when
Speaker 1: we would come to towns, they would they want to
Speaker 1: test you remember the big nigs that yoke Easy come
Speaker 1: here Easy, like they wanted to see Easy, like you know,
Speaker 1: so Easy was small, so he wouldn't want to really
Speaker 1: just I'm always like, take me to your leader type nigger.
Speaker 1: I'm six ft tall. I'm like, let's go. We can
Speaker 1: go a couple of rounds. M up in this bitch,
Speaker 1: let's go. So I never really felt I had no
Speaker 1: problem with street niggas. When I got to Detroit, I'm like,
Speaker 1: take me to your leader. Let me see who the
Speaker 1: toughest nigg is. I'll befriend him. And I'm good. I'm
Speaker 1: not here. I'm here to entertain you anyway. I'm not
Speaker 1: your enemy. I'm not here to sell your drugs to
Speaker 1: take it block which which like you need some backstage
Speaker 1: passes and see the ball came up. Now we're good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're good. Good, Now I got security. You know. That's
Speaker 1: how I played it everywhere. And it's like quick said,
Speaker 1: quick said everywhere. It's like remember the joint if you're smart,
Speaker 1: if you know, I mean the same thing you're do
Speaker 1: in prison. Like ship. Just so before we get into that,
Speaker 1: how did I iced t wind up in the army.
Speaker 1: I got in the army because when I was in
Speaker 1: high school, I got my girlfriend pregnant. I was I
Speaker 1: just got out of high school, and uh, I graduated early.
Speaker 1: I was a student. I was on the honor roll
Speaker 1: all that ship. I graduated twenty week report card. I
Speaker 1: was out. I had all my credits and I started
Speaker 1: trade technical college. I wanted to do by I can
Speaker 1: paint cars, I can do all kinds of body and
Speaker 1: fender and all that kind of ship. That was what
Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna do, the pixelow Riders. I
Speaker 1: was into cars. I always been in the cars. And
Speaker 1: I got my girl pregnant because I didn't really know
Speaker 1: how easy was to get a girl pregnant. You know.
Speaker 1: I was just like a young girl, was not stopped.
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting that much pussy up to that point.
Speaker 1: Wasn't know. So I got a pregnant and I was
Speaker 1: like fox, and now I got a baby coming. And
Speaker 1: I'm a small time hustler, you know, doing small bullshit,
Speaker 1: you know, stealing car radios, nothing, drugs, didn't coming to
Speaker 1: nothing that nothing had come up that was gonna make
Speaker 1: me rich. And I was also very athletic. I was
Speaker 1: in gymnastics in high school. I was doing you know,
Speaker 1: parallel bars, crunch y'all, high scuct Yeah, so I was strong.
Speaker 1: I was very strong. So I I They had an
Speaker 1: enlisting office on crunch yall, and I just walked in
Speaker 1: there and I was like, you know, I got to
Speaker 1: get out of the game because I got a kid.
Speaker 1: And so I went in there and I just basically
Speaker 1: was picking uniforms. I was like, well, what's that, nigga,
Speaker 1: that's infantry. You get twenty five hundred dollar bonus. I'm like,
Speaker 1: word okay. And he said that red beret, that's airborne,
Speaker 1: you get another hundred. I was like, but I can't
Speaker 1: come home in the Red Bay. You didn't I couldn't
Speaker 1: wear no red I was like yo. So then I
Speaker 1: said the next one was the black bearret, which was
Speaker 1: the Rangers. I like that because I was like the
Speaker 1: Black Panthers, right, and then the next one was Special
Speaker 1: Forces to Green Bret. But that was fifty two weeks
Speaker 1: of basic or a I T. So he was about
Speaker 1: to join the army and they tried to offer you
Speaker 1: ahead to when I when I went in here, when well,
Speaker 1: when I went in there, I was picking uniforms. I
Speaker 1: just was like, what am I gonna look like? And
Speaker 1: then it's like, well, this is regular infantry, this this,
Speaker 1: uh this right here. If you go you know, airborne,
Speaker 1: you get to wear a red beret. And I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't come home the Red beret. You did what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I was like, I can't come to my neighborhood. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's what it was. So then I had a
Speaker 1: black beret and Green beret, so I picked the black beret.
Speaker 1: And uh, basically, it's just a bunch of train and
Speaker 1: bunch of athletic ship. If you long as you have
Speaker 1: a good cardio, you could do it, you know, but
Speaker 1: you just gotta be disciplined. You gotta get used to
Speaker 1: people yelling in your face and kind of humble. Rangers
Speaker 1: is kind of tough. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, if
Speaker 1: he was an armed you know, it's specimental ship. They're
Speaker 1: gonna yell at you. They're gonna try to funk you
Speaker 1: up mentally. But then you gotta, you know, you deal
Speaker 1: with how did you how did how did you did
Speaker 1: you do? Accept the discipline they so you know the
Speaker 1: you know, like in that movie Officer and a gentleman
Speaker 1: with a man said, why are you here? He says,
Speaker 1: I ain't got nowhere else to go. That's the only
Speaker 1: way you're gonna make it through that training. And you
Speaker 1: have to believe you have no options. You can't. It's
Speaker 1: not something you just say, I just think I wanted you.
Speaker 1: You gotta be like, what if my other option? I
Speaker 1: gotta do this, and so, you know, the training was
Speaker 1: exciting to me, and the athletic part was exciting to me.
Speaker 1: The discipline stuff, I realized they was trying to mind
Speaker 1: for me. So I've worked against that and I just
Speaker 1: knocked it out. But you know, somebody cool, It's just
Speaker 1: some Do you feel that any of those skills you
Speaker 1: learned in the military helped you when I started robbing banks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: When I started up? Yeah, yeah, Well when I came
Speaker 1: home the tussle water from my there from the service,
Speaker 1: because I went to the Service right out of high school.
Speaker 1: Service and country. Did you started robbing country? Well, it
Speaker 1: was my country driving. Hello, Yo, you're live on the
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Speaker 1: Component I asked about you? Yeah, I told him. Hey, listen, Hey, listen, listen, listen. Hello,
Speaker 1: Are you're gonna be around? I'm gonna be here. This
Speaker 1: conversation might go all night, you know. Well, they're going in.
Speaker 1: We're just getting halfway at the halfway point. Baby, Well,
Speaker 1: were you at man? Hey, I'm closed, I'm not far.
Speaker 1: I'm not far he knows his birthday, Happy birthday, every
Speaker 1: celebration birthday. All right here, I'll leave you going for
Speaker 1: this this interview, yse team, we'll hit you back a
Speaker 1: yel with the you you a one off. That's funny.
Speaker 1: Wh niggas be on the talking on the phone and
Speaker 1: maybe with our kids. I don't know. Said talk that
Speaker 1: ship way better than you. Hear what I said. When
Speaker 1: niggas be on the phone and maybe wi our kids
Speaker 1: out of I take the fence, talk that ship way better.
Speaker 1: Better they break that ship down. Say it's better talk
Speaker 1: regular if you're not doing that much because the fence.
Speaker 1: But whatever, Oh my god, oh my god, hold on,
Speaker 1: that was the yem. That was the straight fucker. Just now,
Speaker 1: that's not good, Chap. I didn't I thought, I thought.
Speaker 1: I thought you helped me out. I think my print
Speaker 1: that both for no reason. So what we were talking about,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, talking about robbing ship the bank robbers at
Speaker 1: my bank robbery this two ways the bank after trying
Speaker 1: to do it right. Come just so you know, I
Speaker 1: t we praised foul niggers and allay the drink. All right, yourself,
Speaker 1: you're like the foul nigger president. You got out of
Speaker 1: the harmy to do the right thing. But now when
Speaker 1: I got home. When I when I left, my my
Speaker 1: niggas was small time criminals. When I came home, they
Speaker 1: had elevated their games. So I'm like, so what are
Speaker 1: y'all doing? They said, we robbed jewelry stores, were getting
Speaker 1: check cash from boots, We're getting credit unions, you know,
Speaker 1: occasional banks. You know what I'm saying. That's like that
Speaker 1: like the bank. So I was like, so, what what's
Speaker 1: to get down? I do to the fact I had
Speaker 1: all that military training, I was able to up the
Speaker 1: game up and I told him, you know, basically any
Speaker 1: operation deals with intelligence. The more you know about the mark,
Speaker 1: the better. So I added that to the game, like
Speaker 1: lots of heavy duty case and lots of understanding what
Speaker 1: the alarms and the response times was and stuff. So
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there's lots of ways of doing it.
Speaker 1: There's there's what's called like what jewelry. There's just basic
Speaker 1: snatch and grab where you just walk in and get
Speaker 1: watch and run. There's basically the bash where you knock
Speaker 1: out the glass and stuff. Then you've got the burglary,
Speaker 1: which is the four or five nine but if you're
Speaker 1: going for the safe. Now, see I could give up
Speaker 1: some game I got. Well, if you want to hit it,
Speaker 1: if I fuck it, it wasn't a burglary. If you're
Speaker 1: gonna rob a jury store, Robert, at the time it
Speaker 1: opens or the time it closes, why why because it's
Speaker 1: safe so right in the morning. So what you wanna
Speaker 1: do is you want to get there right when they
Speaker 1: let pulling the ship out of the safe, right when
Speaker 1: they're pulling that That was when So once when you
Speaker 1: see a jury store at night, when they close that
Speaker 1: door at the last minute, and they started, and if
Speaker 1: you really wanted time and let them lay the plaques up,
Speaker 1: let them get everything out up out of the wind.
Speaker 1: Don't let them do it for you so that everything
Speaker 1: is stacked right before it's getting ready going to say,
Speaker 1: that's when you want to hit them. And then you
Speaker 1: know we're not gonna give you the step by step details.
Speaker 1: And also bottom line is anything you do, you got
Speaker 1: to do it backwards, so it's not as it's not
Speaker 1: as important. Where the lick is is where you're gonna
Speaker 1: escape too, and that has to be like a maze
Speaker 1: of how you're gonna get away. A lot of you
Speaker 1: don't just do it and then say, now where do
Speaker 1: we run this? All that is all thought out one way,
Speaker 1: whether you know we use motorcycles on one way streets,
Speaker 1: I could, I could take a motorcycle. I can hit
Speaker 1: the jewelry district over here and put a bike and
Speaker 1: all all I'm gonna do is hit one way streets backwards, right,
Speaker 1: so they can't get But then do they got helicopters
Speaker 1: under the ground, Like if you know the best way
Speaker 1: to get away from a high speed chases take them
Speaker 1: into a parking structure, not out on the street. Of
Speaker 1: parking structure where now the cops gotta stay outside. They
Speaker 1: can only come in one Then you can ditch the
Speaker 1: car and you can go through the steps. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so all this stuff is ship I did for years anyway,
Speaker 1: and and and you're gonna end up getting killed or
Speaker 1: murdered at some point because but yeah, I done it,
Speaker 1: and uh whatever, bankrop bankropt rest anybody. But the thing
Speaker 1: of it is, most of the times just two ways.
Speaker 1: You rabbit bank, you play a note, you play a teller,
Speaker 1: you go for the vault. What you saw in the
Speaker 1: heat is a takeover roeri where they would take the
Speaker 1: whole vaull that. That's a lot of exposure. I was.
Speaker 1: I was around cast and went in the vault and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But you gotta you're gonna be in
Speaker 1: there a long time. You know. Most times people just
Speaker 1: walk up and play the note and just get the
Speaker 1: one teller or as you said, a note. How did
Speaker 1: you do the note? You just walk up and you
Speaker 1: just said I got a gun, give me the money,
Speaker 1: and then just hand you the mother for the money.
Speaker 1: That's called playing a note. That's an easy that's the
Speaker 1: these way say it doesn't matter the thing that well,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's those are impacts and stuff. They still
Speaker 1: got them. Yeah, I'm yeah, but you know what, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I feel very uncomfortable talking
Speaker 1: about this stuff. You know, well the thing of it
Speaker 1: is like and also I also like a lot of
Speaker 1: my friends are still incarcerated, so you know, from day
Speaker 1: and they're saying they didn't do it. Yeah I am
Speaker 1: saying we did it. You know that's not good, but
Speaker 1: but you know it's it was. It was a time
Speaker 1: and um, you know, uh, when I got that chance
Speaker 1: to wrap I jumped in it. I didn't you know,
Speaker 1: because I knew my days was numbered in low digits.
Speaker 1: I knew that that wasn't gonna last. When you're hustling
Speaker 1: like that, you make a lot of money, didn't you
Speaker 1: spend it? You make a lot of money, didn't you
Speaker 1: spend it? You know, you're up and down. You those
Speaker 1: are licks, you know, and you make it and you
Speaker 1: spend it, and it wasn't you know. I don't. I
Speaker 1: didn't see a long life like that. So when the
Speaker 1: rapping came along, I was like, damn, you know I
Speaker 1: could do this. And then I tried to rap like
Speaker 1: New York and the niggas was like, rap about what
Speaker 1: we do. And then we invent what we call the
Speaker 1: crime ryme Ryan based around that, and I got archives
Speaker 1: and archives of that ship. So I started making stories.
Speaker 1: And the stories, like I call it faction, So it's
Speaker 1: it's factual occurrences put into a fictional scenario. So things
Speaker 1: I'm saying, did that happen? Did that? Yeah? Really that happened,
Speaker 1: couldn't And I combine them so the story sounds really
Speaker 1: real because the ship really happened, but just not in
Speaker 1: that particular order. Now does that make any sense? He
Speaker 1: briefly mentioned I think it's we need to talk about
Speaker 1: a bit more rhyme syndicate, which might be one of
Speaker 1: the first cruise of hip hop. Maybe b DP and
Speaker 1: rhyme syndicates ron the same era, and who the members
Speaker 1: of nevertheless House of Pain, you know, House of Pain
Speaker 1: ever last, Yes, Um, what happened was, you know, when
Speaker 1: I was trying to when I decided I wanted to rap,
Speaker 1: I had to kind of like leave my crime friends
Speaker 1: a loan and get with these rap niggers, right something,
Speaker 1: with all these different rap people, and I would seem
Speaker 1: like I was gonna make it first. So I said
Speaker 1: to homies, I said, if I make it, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: try to help y'all. So I was reading up. I'm
Speaker 1: an avid reader, so I was reading it. You know,
Speaker 1: Lucky Luciano. It started this thing called the Commission, where
Speaker 1: it was a group of groups with one one common goal.
Speaker 1: A syndicate is an organization with a group of groups
Speaker 1: of one common goal. So basically, we're not I'm not
Speaker 1: the boss, you're the boss. You're the boss. You're the
Speaker 1: boss of your own organization network. But we agreed to
Speaker 1: sit down and talk before we fight, right, So that's
Speaker 1: what the Syndicate is, so I wasn't I. I just
Speaker 1: brought groups in. It's kind of like the West Coast
Speaker 1: Zulu Nation really kind of like. But I knew l
Speaker 1: A wasn't really gonna ride with the Afro century ship.
Speaker 1: There was two gangsters. So I created a term called
Speaker 1: the Syndicate and we had Low Profile was in it,
Speaker 1: which was dubbed c of course when we had when
Speaker 1: we had Muggs. Muggs was in the group called seven
Speaker 1: eight three. At the time he was a DJ and
Speaker 1: of course Everlast, divine styler Donald d Uh from the
Speaker 1: bronx Um where was ever less from where ever Last
Speaker 1: from l A. He was like from the valley and
Speaker 1: he had the hair at the time. Remember when he came.
Speaker 1: He was brought to me by a guy named Balad
Speaker 1: to Sheer and Everlast first sounding like rock Kim when
Speaker 1: I heard him, he was rapping. Now new rappers were
Speaker 1: wrapping someone else's voice, and I'm like, A right, right,
Speaker 1: you know yeah, And I'm like, you sound dope, but
Speaker 1: you got to use your own voice, you know. And
Speaker 1: so once he found his own voice, he started to
Speaker 1: wrapping stuff. But it was just my way of I
Speaker 1: got everlast a record deal. I got Divine Stylar record deal.
Speaker 1: I did a compilation album. It was just a way
Speaker 1: of me trying to help West Coast nigga, you know,
Speaker 1: and and try to create peace versus more which is
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Speaker 1: Then so now New Jack which is New York City Classic,
Speaker 1: but that is so disrespectful hip hop classic man relaxed,
Speaker 1: because that's how that's how much of vision Jack City
Speaker 1: leads to me. New Jack Cities not only a New
Speaker 1: York class. It's not only a hip hop class. It's
Speaker 1: not only it's a worldwide class cinematic. But I need
Speaker 1: to know you as being the most gangster risk gangster.
Speaker 1: You you you you had the sixties on your back
Speaker 1: when it wasn't cool to say the sixties. You had
Speaker 1: the cript ship on your back when it wasn't cool
Speaker 1: to say the cript ship. You had the gang ship
Speaker 1: on your back when it wasn't cool to say the ship.
Speaker 1: And now you get presented with this role as a
Speaker 1: cop cop it's a joint court New Jack City, and
Speaker 1: they're saying that it's based on this guy was just
Speaker 1: not Nino Brown, because Nino Brown is a fatitition based
Speaker 1: on some cats from Vague from from um New York
Speaker 1: City and also somebody from the Bay from Frisco Brothers
Speaker 1: or something like that. I thought my brothers from New York.
Speaker 1: I met the actual guy that said he wasn't told
Speaker 1: me wait wait, wait, okay money Brothers. Yeah, I got that,
Speaker 1: you're right, but how does they even approach you? Okay?
Speaker 1: So what happened with New Jack City was they wanted
Speaker 1: to make this movie and they had they had written
Speaker 1: the movie, and they didn't know who they were going
Speaker 1: to get. And at the time it was just not
Speaker 1: there just wasn't a lot of black actors. Now there's
Speaker 1: hundreds of black hackers. But at the time, Wesley Snipes
Speaker 1: had only done Major League. He was you know, he
Speaker 1: loved right, but that was he wasn't a big known actor.
Speaker 1: So Um, George Jackson and Dougman Henry, the the producers,
Speaker 1: they just had a brain from they said, let's just
Speaker 1: take people from pop culture. Ice is selling millions of records.
Speaker 1: He's a little, you know, kind of little pro protest
Speaker 1: pro that Let's get him. Let's get Chris Rock. He's
Speaker 1: the most grimy new solely, this took all the people
Speaker 1: that they knew they were hot and different, and so
Speaker 1: let's make a lot of us never knew who Chris
Speaker 1: Rock was. Let's let's describe. Let's see if they can act.
Speaker 1: So I'm in a club and Mario van people who
Speaker 1: was in the club and us, he says to me,
Speaker 1: he heard me and throw it off the roof. All right,
Speaker 1: he said he heard me in the toilet. I was
Speaker 1: talking ship to somebody in the bathroom and the toilet
Speaker 1: I was in the bathroom and I was on my ship.
Speaker 1: I was like saying, I say that. I said, yeah, nigger,
Speaker 1: if the motherfucker's could get a microscope and find one
Speaker 1: molecule and me that gave a fun, then they could
Speaker 1: angle me. But they can't angle me because it's not
Speaker 1: a molecule there that gives a fuck. So he said,
Speaker 1: whoever said that's gonna be the star in my movie. Right.
Speaker 1: So I was on this on my ice t ship.
Speaker 1: So I'm out there and now now I'm parlaying with
Speaker 1: three females talking my bullshit, you know, try and sell
Speaker 1: him a dream. So I'm in the middle of it
Speaker 1: and that he walks over says a ice, would you
Speaker 1: like to be in a movie? Something like Hollywood bullshit
Speaker 1: like Mario Mario. I'm like, Hollywood bullshit. You just people
Speaker 1: who don't know Mario around people's that was the main cop. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and his father was in Sweet Sweet Back, badass song.
Speaker 1: He's achieved Melvin Van Peoples. So he hits me with
Speaker 1: this bullshit about being in the movie, something like nigger,
Speaker 1: You're just trying to talk to these girls, like you know,
Speaker 1: so I introduced them to the females. He's like, serious,
Speaker 1: show up at Warner Brothers tomorrow. We got this. So
Speaker 1: we changed numbers and you were already on Warner Brothers
Speaker 1: as a record. La. Everything revolves around Warner Brothers at
Speaker 1: the time. So I show up at this thing and
Speaker 1: I look at the script. I'm expecting I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: four or five lines. I read Scotty's part. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is the whole movie. Soun like really like I'm
Speaker 1: not actors that you can do it like this thinger
Speaker 1: got dreads like I gotta like like and they were like,
Speaker 1: and he's a cop. I'm like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. So I got home, I started talking
Speaker 1: to people, you know, I talked to my boys. I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: they want me to play a police in the movie.
Speaker 1: Then what you think? Could I be in the movie? Ye? Yeah,
Speaker 1: nig from jail was calling me. I'm like, yo, yeah, blah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we sent the package and all that, but yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I know, even the bows of the devil, I understand that.
Speaker 1: Then they wanted to play the police. Right now, what
Speaker 1: do you feel about that? In the movie? Word? If
Speaker 1: I was out, could I be in the movie? So
Speaker 1: no one was saying no. Everybody was like, nigger, that's
Speaker 1: an opportunity positive. And then then the girls where I
Speaker 1: used to get my hair did? I used to get
Speaker 1: my hair done twice? A wee guy had my ship
Speaker 1: permed up, you know, more wavy than the ships in
Speaker 1: the navy. He knows, you know, we got to keep
Speaker 1: the shop and staking nice up. In this bit. What
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I got our match. A motherfucking woman. She
Speaker 1: can understand what I'm saying. So I'm shot. So I
Speaker 1: was sharp, and the girls at the beauty parlor, they
Speaker 1: was like, no, I'm from the hood. I called the
Speaker 1: beauty parlor. I'm not no fucking salon. It was like
Speaker 1: I said, they wanted me to pill the police. They're like,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it, nigga, because you're gonna be one
Speaker 1: of the real niggas. And when you get over, you
Speaker 1: ain't gonna forget the hood, and you're gonna tell everybody
Speaker 1: what the fuss going on, nigga. And if you don't
Speaker 1: do this movie, don't come back up in this motherfucker right.
Speaker 1: So the sisters sent me out on that mission and
Speaker 1: I did the movie. I was shifting, nervous, But now
Speaker 1: that they know this, this this story took place in
Speaker 1: New York, didn't matter. It was just an opportunity. Opportunity,
Speaker 1: you know, Nory, I believe this man. We come from
Speaker 1: a background with no opportunities, and we always are, you know,
Speaker 1: upset about that. When you get an opportunity and you
Speaker 1: don't take it, then you're a real live sucker. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You're a real live sucker because
Speaker 1: you're being you're bitching about it, and now you get
Speaker 1: it and you don't take it, and you gotta put
Speaker 1: the jets on when you get that opportunity, because you
Speaker 1: don't get you don't get it. So I got that opportunity,
Speaker 1: so we took it. I went and I tried my
Speaker 1: best to do the movie. I was nervous. This is
Speaker 1: at the same time Original Gangster came out. This is
Speaker 1: my biggest album. I was platinum. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: like IM fuck this all off. But then you're not
Speaker 1: telling me you had a choice between going on to
Speaker 1: your album and do new Jackson was on tour at
Speaker 1: the time, but my album was hot, so I I
Speaker 1: knew jack City was can I risk this and then
Speaker 1: up my records? My record is hot? But but now,
Speaker 1: when you got the script, did they tell you the
Speaker 1: actors that was attached to it? They didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: care about and I had a record Original Gangs that
Speaker 1: that was the last and ruined everything I got going
Speaker 1: and what my niggas accept me. I was worried. You know.
Speaker 1: I've always been more concerned with my friends, my close friends,
Speaker 1: whether they're in prison or home. That's been my thermometer
Speaker 1: on what if I'm doing what's right. I gotta keep
Speaker 1: their respect and my my niggas is straight niggas, and
Speaker 1: they loved the order. But I'm telling you, my I
Speaker 1: ain't corny nigga. They told me, Yo, the hustle is
Speaker 1: supposed to get the money by any means, by the
Speaker 1: path of least resistance, and and television has a lot
Speaker 1: less resistance than twenty five life nigga. So you do
Speaker 1: the right thing. Get that paper right, stop playing. Do
Speaker 1: your numbers? They so so now I'm where it was
Speaker 1: on New Jackson, New jack City. You were contemplating whether
Speaker 1: I was trying to play, whether to do it. I
Speaker 1: was struggling, But I did the damn movie and it
Speaker 1: was successful, and I was scared. Like they said, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put dreads on you because we want people not
Speaker 1: to just see iced tea. We want them to give
Speaker 1: him a chance for you to be another character if
Speaker 1: they're so familiar with how you throw them off. I
Speaker 1: remember I went to the movies, like after three days
Speaker 1: after came out. I was sitting behind some niggas and
Speaker 1: and I heard him look at with that motherfucker head
Speaker 1: on it look crazy, motherfucker in the movie, you ain't
Speaker 1: let people yelling because I'm like, yeah, you get it
Speaker 1: too right. I wanted to get a real response. And
Speaker 1: about about ten minutes into the movie, fifteen minutes I'm
Speaker 1: chasing Chris Rock, They're like, get it, Scotty. They started
Speaker 1: calling me Scotty name, and that was what it was like.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'm pulling this ship, like they're
Speaker 1: rolling with me. Did The movie was a huge success.
Speaker 1: No negativity. Hip hop embraced me and everybody. You know,
Speaker 1: nobody even tripped off the cop thing. That was like,
Speaker 1: you acting, that's the job. And I've been rolling like
Speaker 1: that ever since, you know, like acting. So that was
Speaker 1: your first movie role that you fell in love with.
Speaker 1: On the first movie, I actually got to speak, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was in those other movies breaking back
Speaker 1: in the day. I was a feature rap talker. But
Speaker 1: then you then you get the call about to do
Speaker 1: a movie with Denzel Elliot Wilson uh stambul in New York.
Speaker 1: But you get the call that was my next movie,
Speaker 1: the Denzel movie. Yeah, from Joel Silver, one of the
Speaker 1: biggest producers in the history. He does Matrix. What was
Speaker 1: the name of this movie, Ricky Sha was with Denzel
Speaker 1: and because because this is the crazy Denzel is not
Speaker 1: Denzel's He's dead. He ain't got the zell yet. It
Speaker 1: just didn't. Yeah, and you do this movie, did you
Speaker 1: know that this motherfucker is going to be the illest
Speaker 1: actor in the world? And didn't? And when did you that?
Speaker 1: I knew he was? I mean to me, Denzel was
Speaker 1: heard Denzel prior to that. But I just knew Denzel
Speaker 1: watching it was the big was the biggest actor I
Speaker 1: ever worked with, you know. I remember I was just
Speaker 1: working with this new people. I'm working with Nelson on that. Denzel, well,
Speaker 1: I knew Jenn so I watched it was I was
Speaker 1: because Wesley wasn't really big. When women were loving Denzel,
Speaker 1: that's that was his ship. He was the pill. He's
Speaker 1: like billyde Williams. Yeah, yeah, he was. So when I
Speaker 1: met Denzel, he just he came down to my level.
Speaker 1: He was like, look, man, I've been on television, I
Speaker 1: did this, and I'm just here and we're just getting
Speaker 1: ready to go do this and I rever forget. I
Speaker 1: was in the first scene with him, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: these really good actors they'll laugh and joke and they
Speaker 1: go action and they're bam, they'll hit their character. Method
Speaker 1: acting No, that's not method. Method acting is women at
Speaker 1: their dickheads. Yeah. I was on the upset with a
Speaker 1: method actor and I called him his real name, and
Speaker 1: I'm Joe, like like when it's crazy, they won't person,
Speaker 1: they won't break. They're playing a drug addict. They're gonna
Speaker 1: go out and sleep with real drug addicts and come
Speaker 1: to work dirty and all that bull That acting is lying.
Speaker 1: Acting is line Like if I if I said the
Speaker 1: next person who comes in the door, make him convince
Speaker 1: him you're my manager, that's acting, right. So they said
Speaker 1: where you learn how to act? I'm like, stand in
Speaker 1: front of a josh. I mean, Denzel was talking and
Speaker 1: he was joking and then they said action and then
Speaker 1: they get jumped into character on me and I flopped
Speaker 1: my line and they did like this. He was like,
Speaker 1: come on, nice, what's it? And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's how we're getting down, huh. Like he's shown me
Speaker 1: like come on, like we can we joke. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hit my line. That's when I was like, I want
Speaker 1: to learn, just like that on Tom q um the
Speaker 1: But that's when I my first chance learning somebody who
Speaker 1: could you know when actors do that and that Zel.
Speaker 1: It's almost like they're going through their legs with the
Speaker 1: ball they're playing with you. They're like Ida already actually
Speaker 1: pam and then hit and then they'll come out of
Speaker 1: and telling other jokes. You're like, WHOA some dope ship
Speaker 1: right there? You know what I'm saying. So I always
Speaker 1: wanted to learn how to act like him, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know that. But Denzel wasn't like he wasn't the
Speaker 1: Oscar Award winning that that two or to a bum
Speaker 1: nigger like me he was. I was like nobody in
Speaker 1: the world. I was a rapper. Like, how the hell
Speaker 1: am I even on screen with Denzel Washington? Really? You know?
Speaker 1: So I'm one of my keys is humility and kick
Speaker 1: y'all out the whole this whole Yeah, that should be
Speaker 1: smoking ship niggas just hitting the wax and relax. I
Speaker 1: got to pay for this, you know. I didn't get
Speaker 1: any money for that, Like New Jack City, I didn't
Speaker 1: get I got won whey six thousand dollars New Jack
Speaker 1: and get roy eighty million, eighty million bucks probably a
Speaker 1: hundred million by now know, no royalties. I got paid
Speaker 1: scale my first movie, And that's just how it goes.
Speaker 1: But that's yeah, nothing, and that's not that's nothing. That's
Speaker 1: just how the game is. But it's what it took
Speaker 1: him to the next level. Yeah, you can't. How do
Speaker 1: you negotiate? You have no leverage. Who are you that
Speaker 1: get another nigger? They get motherfucking a kick That put
Speaker 1: Chuck in a fucking wig. I know he was in
Speaker 1: there and there rapping. You know, I knew everybody knew
Speaker 1: I that replace you. So so so after that, when
Speaker 1: I went to go see Joe Silver, I thought's gonna
Speaker 1: get paid. So I walked there, I'm like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the last movie, you know made a lot
Speaker 1: of money. You know what I'm saying. I know I'm
Speaker 1: about to get paid. Now he goes iced tea, You've
Speaker 1: done one movie. Stuck it to me again. So that
Speaker 1: movie I got like forty eight for less work. I
Speaker 1: didn't get any money in movies until I did TANKERL
Speaker 1: While I played the Kangaroo, I didn't even hear a tanker.
Speaker 1: What is this movie? A movie called tank Girl with
Speaker 1: Lori Petty and I played U. I played listen I'm
Speaker 1: doing I'm I'm making a movie with Keiana Reeves called
Speaker 1: Johnny Neumannic. Come in Canada. So I get a call
Speaker 1: from my manager said, will you play a stripper in Arizona?
Speaker 1: I said, you motherfucking right, I'll play a stripper in Arizona.
Speaker 1: So that night I did like two thousand set ups.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm gonna be right to get my sex
Speaker 1: sing going. So the next day they sent me a
Speaker 1: picture of this kangaroo and it was like, uh, I
Speaker 1: was like, what am I stripper as a kangaroo? They
Speaker 1: don't know you're a ripper. Not a ripper. A ripper
Speaker 1: is a mutated person. I'm like, what's the of the movie?
Speaker 1: That's the movie's Tanker? That she sounds so generic. I
Speaker 1: was like, yo, am I not with Kiana Reeves? Didn't
Speaker 1: need it? I mean, what the fund is going on?
Speaker 1: And they told me how much money I was getting.
Speaker 1: I was like, I've learned the bunnyhop. Now that was
Speaker 1: my first I gotta I gotta nion dollars and you
Speaker 1: ain't never seen it. I was like, oh yeah, if
Speaker 1: you google you tanker right now, I look crazy right hit.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like a mutated because he called a
Speaker 1: mutated person, it's like si, yeah, like a fight over
Speaker 1: water and tank Girl iced tea. You're gonna see a
Speaker 1: picture of me. Okay, So while we plug up, I
Speaker 1: want to respect my brother, Charlie. Charlie's brother for twenty years,
Speaker 1: and he dove right into you. Look at this, Look
Speaker 1: at this picture. Just come, we're gonna see that's me.
Speaker 1: You got a million for that. Yeah, twenty two days,
Speaker 1: twenty two days in that ship? That cr is that? No,
Speaker 1: that's that's Stan. That's Stan Winston. That's five piece applications.
Speaker 1: That's all same. That's crazy. You gotta put it on
Speaker 1: the cameras movie got so now, yeah that was Tanker.
Speaker 1: So that was you know, and and the thing of
Speaker 1: it was And now I'm at this point where I'm
Speaker 1: just taking jobs and I'm rolling with it and they're
Speaker 1: coming in so I'm like, shoot, you know, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to make money. Now, fine, so now you consider the act,
Speaker 1: you consider the actor. Yeah, you're killing every role you get.
Speaker 1: Then cs I come see Law Order. That's the same
Speaker 1: ship to me. I'm so sorry that everyone can do that.
Speaker 1: No sound y'all take a shot every time we say life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you if you're watching it, take a shot. Listen.
Speaker 1: So Lord order Doom Doom Doom Doom that the sound tracker.
Speaker 1: They come to you and they say, what do they say? Okay,
Speaker 1: little pre pre story died at my first time working
Speaker 1: with Dick Wolf Fools, the executive producers. That is in
Speaker 1: New York Undercover YEA makes it. Actually I was at
Speaker 1: I was at my house in l A. Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, Benzino, come on, what's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: What's you don't even want to answer for that? Buttery fingers?
Speaker 1: You got buttery fingers? Yo, ben Zino? You live on
Speaker 1: the podcast zero? What we hear? What I iced tea?
Speaker 1: What's up? Zino? What's happening? Baby tea? What's good man?
Speaker 1: You're in New York? Yeah? I we have five forty
Speaker 1: one Lexington. I'm the w Hotel. Come through. Okay cool?
Speaker 1: You know my last name? Right? I don't see how
Speaker 1: het treat me. So New York got under Cover. I
Speaker 1: was with Fab five Freddy in my house. You want
Speaker 1: New York to cover as well? I was on three times.
Speaker 1: I played a guy named Danny Yup and uh um.
Speaker 1: Andre Herrell was talking to Fab five Freddie. Fab five
Speaker 1: was like, I'm at iced tea s crip? He said,
Speaker 1: put iced tea on the phone. He's like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: gotta come on my show, New York under Cover. Andre
Speaker 1: was part of that. I'm like, I told him that's
Speaker 1: a rip off of New Jack City, you know New
Speaker 1: York Undercover. I said, you I never thought, yeah, what's that?
Speaker 1: Too young? I didn't know that. That's why I'm here
Speaker 1: to clarify the ship clarify. So so anyway, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll come on the show. And I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: you know I'm doing movies now, nigger. And then he
Speaker 1: was like, oh right, you too big? Now you know
Speaker 1: how they do that. Like, I was like, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll give me a bad guy role and I'll play
Speaker 1: it because I've been playing Polio. I said, give me
Speaker 1: a bad guy role. So there was this role called
Speaker 1: Danny LP. I played it. I get a call from
Speaker 1: Dick Old Things that we don't want to kill you
Speaker 1: at the end of the episode where you do more,
Speaker 1: and I fought with him. We renegotiate that got a
Speaker 1: better room, move me from a bullshit hotel to the
Speaker 1: four seasons. I did two more episode I shot, I
Speaker 1: shot Maliko Malik Yoba's girl and I just wild out.
Speaker 1: So after I did that show. I did a show
Speaker 1: for him called Swift Justice. I played a bad guy.
Speaker 1: I did Law and Order. I played the pin that
Speaker 1: killed me with a bowling pin. Then I had a
Speaker 1: show called Players on TV that was my own show
Speaker 1: with constus man Lauren Frank Hughes. Okay, when those shows
Speaker 1: were over, Dick Wolf, he says, I wish I had
Speaker 1: a stronger vehicle for you, right, I mean, you got it.
Speaker 1: But so I'm like cool. So I was back in
Speaker 1: l A doing my business, doing my ship, trying to
Speaker 1: create iTunes. I was trying to create MP three bass
Speaker 1: that we could put rap music on and people could
Speaker 1: get it go straight to MP three. Niggas was looking
Speaker 1: at me like what is MP three? Niggas was like
Speaker 1: that will never work. Never never work. Niggas ain't getting
Speaker 1: rid of the CDs. So I'm like, no, it's a digital.
Speaker 1: I was like this before Naster after that. It was
Speaker 1: during the time Napster was doing it. But my thing was,
Speaker 1: I will take your album. I would digitally. I was
Speaker 1: going to create iTunes. I would take your album. I
Speaker 1: would put it onto a website where we would download
Speaker 1: it for money, just side it tunes. Before it tunes
Speaker 1: where I would I was, and I was gonna and
Speaker 1: not only that, I was gonna do it regionally where
Speaker 1: there be a map what the fun man put on speaking,
Speaker 1: put on speaking, He let's look at so let him right?
Speaker 1: Really yes, So, so my thing was it had a
Speaker 1: regional map, so if you could go to like, if
Speaker 1: you want to Pennsylvania, it would show all the rappers
Speaker 1: from Pennsylvania. So it would break it down regionally because
Speaker 1: I knew hip hop was regional, so you could do it.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that was I was creating when I got
Speaker 1: the call to dude Spu and uh, I said no, okay,
Speaker 1: I said no because I had fifteen employees, I had
Speaker 1: a data basis, I had servers. I was trying to
Speaker 1: go and then my boy, we had a little problem
Speaker 1: in l A where one of my buddies has set
Speaker 1: me up to get robbed. Yeah, what's his name? Right
Speaker 1: now there's no longer with yeah, so so, but basically
Speaker 1: one of my friends who I looked out time through prison,
Speaker 1: he sent some people up to my office and it
Speaker 1: was a robbery who took place. So everybody finally figured
Speaker 1: it out and it was a little hostile moment everybody
Speaker 1: was worrying about what's going on. And then then we
Speaker 1: figured out who did it, and it was tension, you know,
Speaker 1: tension and ship. You know, my daughter was in the room.
Speaker 1: It was. It was an ugly situation. It's in my book.
Speaker 1: I wrote it in my book. So when it happened,
Speaker 1: one of my boys from sixties, when they called the Emperor,
Speaker 1: he was he with me every day. So he was like,
Speaker 1: they offered me to do the show. He said, get
Speaker 1: out of town, man, get out of town. You know,
Speaker 1: fuck it, it's four shows. That's what We're gonna rob
Speaker 1: you with some money here, like you know, like you know,
Speaker 1: we weren't making no money yet in the business yet.
Speaker 1: And he's like, I got this. So I came out
Speaker 1: here to do four episodes for SPU and it's been
Speaker 1: eighteen years. But also the negative negativity is also one
Speaker 1: of the reasons they say gonna shake the New York
Speaker 1: because all this dramas going on, because you know, how
Speaker 1: hard was it to adapt to New York because right now,
Speaker 1: you like just as much as a New York Nigger
Speaker 1: than me. Well, I always love New York, I always
Speaker 1: love me. I was actually born in Newark, New Jersey. Um,
Speaker 1: my mother passed when I was in the third grade.
Speaker 1: My father when I was in the seventh. I lived
Speaker 1: in Summit, New Jersey over there with my father, and
Speaker 1: then I left to go to l A when my
Speaker 1: father died, and I was in l A ever since
Speaker 1: my aunt his sister, so I lived out there with
Speaker 1: them and stuff. So this brought me back. Music brought
Speaker 1: me back. I was coming out here to get because
Speaker 1: to me, being a rapper, I had to get the
Speaker 1: coach sign of New York. You can't be a rapper
Speaker 1: and not have New York's co signed as far as
Speaker 1: I was concerned. But happy birth I'm gonna get up
Speaker 1: say happy birthday. Has a good pony on right now,
Speaker 1: you have a birthday of my doing. I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: the poem phone has my brother. You were like hand
Speaker 1: for through my life story. Here these guys and no
Speaker 1: stunt on turn. But that's good, that's good. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's better for it to come from my mouth to
Speaker 1: somebody outside. Continue please making that bullshit freak. So when
Speaker 1: you moved to l A, Yeah, yeah, so that that was.
Speaker 1: That was when I moved to Cali with my aunt.
Speaker 1: And you've directly to where lived in Cali. Well not
Speaker 1: or not I was living when I moved out there.
Speaker 1: I was living in an area called Viewpark, which is
Speaker 1: above crunch Shaw and Vernon. It's like a nice of
Speaker 1: me is up in the hills, and I used to
Speaker 1: I got bus to a white junior high school called
Speaker 1: like you kind of situation. He was in Palms Junior
Speaker 1: High School. Crunshaw High School was right down the street.
Speaker 1: So when I got to high school, I said, I
Speaker 1: ain't catching the bus. And that's when I walked into
Speaker 1: the shore and uh, that's what I say in original
Speaker 1: Gangster how I was introduced to the gangs, and I
Speaker 1: did a song because that's how I'm living. I said,
Speaker 1: you know, I was born in New Jersey. I said
Speaker 1: it before, but I guess nobody heard me. My mother
Speaker 1: died young, no sisters of brothers. I was her only
Speaker 1: son when I was young. My pops died too. What's
Speaker 1: the nigga supposed to do? They sent me out west
Speaker 1: to live with my aunt. I guess they thought that
Speaker 1: was the best. But there was no love there, and
Speaker 1: growing with no moms, I guess I was prepared to
Speaker 1: live in a vacuum the bedroom to catch it in
Speaker 1: the hall of the bathroom. I didn't leave home much.
Speaker 1: I didn't like l A. I didn't have no friends
Speaker 1: to trust. I got bus to a school blacks and whites.
Speaker 1: I guess the ship was cool, but by high school
Speaker 1: I changed. I didn't want to bust. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to play the game. I walked to Crunshaw. HI ship
Speaker 1: was fly. I hooked up with a new crew, some
Speaker 1: niggas that I knew, act like they knew what the
Speaker 1: fund to do. Now you may call it a gang,
Speaker 1: but we call it a set, and it was our
Speaker 1: own thing. The whole school was down, and one way
Speaker 1: or another, everybody fucked around. Where the hardcore or not?
Speaker 1: You wore the right color? Yeah, scot shot So yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I ended up out there. So anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: I ended up on SVU eighteen years and uh bless.
Speaker 1: It was a very you know, the negative situation along
Speaker 1: with my buddy's insight. It's just what do you think
Speaker 1: about Dave Chappelle when he made the skin about that.
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle's a genius. It's it's gonna be hard to
Speaker 1: find somebody as funny as Dave Chappelle. Like every once
Speaker 1: in a while, a comic genius comes out, like I
Speaker 1: lived through Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy. But Dave chappellea
Speaker 1: just hits comedy from some other angle that niggas ain't ain't.
Speaker 1: It's just abnormal. Like, you know, I'm a fan of everybody,
Speaker 1: you know, I was just you know, I love everybody.
Speaker 1: I was asked with Kevin Hart the other day, but
Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hard, if you don't bring your monkey
Speaker 1: ass on here, Yeah, Kevin Marks cool, Kevin's Chappelle, Kevin
Speaker 1: Chris Rock, all that, But bro Dave's comedy is it's different.
Speaker 1: Dave's natural. You know what I'm saying. You don't try
Speaker 1: to It's something different though when he and he, I
Speaker 1: mean we did the player Haters ball. He doesn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck who write that ship. But Nancy, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go home and put some more milk in your mama's bowl,
Speaker 1: like you right, ship? Like what was the event? Actually?
Speaker 1: I spun at the event in Miami? I think was
Speaker 1: the player the pall in Miami at Luke's Club. That
Speaker 1: was the Player's ball. Probably I was DJ and I
Speaker 1: have a picture and you're like right next to me
Speaker 1: and told me you wanted to run and you're like
Speaker 1: play shook one's part too. Oh yeah, I rhymed in
Speaker 1: that spot. Yeah I was the one spending. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember that. I have a picture. Okay, that's what's up.
Speaker 1: I don't have it all a real picture. I think
Speaker 1: me and Koko were in there that night. This is
Speaker 1: what I was gonna go before we go there. I
Speaker 1: I'm I probably think You're probably the first rap album
Speaker 1: I might have ever jerked off. It was the cover.
Speaker 1: It was a jail the same time that was Power
Speaker 1: jerked off the cover cover brother, Well you know what
Speaker 1: it was. It was It was just like nobody was
Speaker 1: doing it. Nobody was connecting sex, you know, the guns
Speaker 1: and all that, and I was like, this is part
Speaker 1: of it. Luke did it, but he didn't do it
Speaker 1: like he did to Gate somewhere. He did. He did
Speaker 1: it and like that was artistic actually the way you
Speaker 1: did when we did the front of the back, Well,
Speaker 1: that was the second album I did it on. Ryan
Speaker 1: Pays Darling was in the car with us, like in
Speaker 1: a bathing suit and me and Evil were in a Porsche.
Speaker 1: We had a palm tree and we were trying Glenn
Speaker 1: Friedman shot that and we were trying to say this
Speaker 1: is Calie. We wanted that to say California. When the
Speaker 1: time I did the Power album cover, I was dealing
Speaker 1: with power, like the three the three levels of power.
Speaker 1: One is sex. That's the biggest power, right, so you
Speaker 1: see her. The next power is weapons, uh, sex, money
Speaker 1: and guns until you see the weapons. And then the
Speaker 1: next power is deception. And when you turn it over
Speaker 1: you see me and Evil were strapped. So I feel
Speaker 1: deception is the ultimate power because you never know who's
Speaker 1: giving it to you. You know, you, I think you
Speaker 1: fired me, but really he called the shot. He walked away.
Speaker 1: So people that work in that realm of deception and
Speaker 1: and and that's a that's the awesome business. You don't
Speaker 1: know where the shot from. And that's the scarier power,
Speaker 1: you know. So that's what I was dealing with on
Speaker 1: the album cover. Of course, Darlene looked incredible at the
Speaker 1: time and keep saying Darlene, but we don't know. Darlene
Speaker 1: was was my that's my son's mother. No, I've never
Speaker 1: been married before, but that was my son's mother at
Speaker 1: the time. And you know, me and her still got
Speaker 1: a good relationship. I think, yeah, but she out right
Speaker 1: but big of your son, Yeah, just smo. But she
Speaker 1: You know, at the time I was, I was in
Speaker 1: a world where I thought I thought you had to
Speaker 1: be real. I thought you couldn't lie. So I didn't
Speaker 1: know you could wear other people's jurlry. I didn't know
Speaker 1: you could say. I didn't know you could have a
Speaker 1: girl on your album covered it wasn't your girl. I
Speaker 1: didn't notice that everything I had to shoot in my
Speaker 1: own house I had to. I didn't know that that
Speaker 1: were your guns. Oh that's what I said, gets to
Speaker 1: my promo shot props, you know. So I didn't think
Speaker 1: that was okay, and you know I was. I ran
Speaker 1: my career. I ran my career based on those principles.
Speaker 1: If you know I said, I don't what I said.
Speaker 1: I don't rap about Gats, ain't got Jose, ain't caught
Speaker 1: you know guns, I ain't shot it game. To me,
Speaker 1: it's too fucking deep. If I did, honestly believe, I
Speaker 1: dye in my sleep. If I don't have it, I'm
Speaker 1: a rap about not having it right now. You know,
Speaker 1: until I get it, it's a duck down. We will
Speaker 1: do down, shorty come back. Yeah, that's my guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let me let me just tell you somebody's tea. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day. Me and Capone we met
Speaker 1: in jail. We never ever ever in jail say we're
Speaker 1: gonna come home and rap, right, Me and this found
Speaker 1: nigger and I'm a found nigger to him. My brother though,
Speaker 1: my brother. But we came home. We was in jail,
Speaker 1: in jail saying we're gonna flip from cocaine. We come home. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: I came home and Compon was rapping and I was
Speaker 1: just like, I was like what And I was rapping
Speaker 1: too in jail. But we ain't never really share raps.
Speaker 1: So we had this whole altitude we we we had
Speaker 1: embarked on. But and this is the reason why I
Speaker 1: named gangster rap all reality rapping. If it wasn't for you,
Speaker 1: they probably wouldn't be us. And that's real ship because
Speaker 1: when I look at the history and sometimes like I
Speaker 1: could google something, I hate googling because I like to
Speaker 1: remember from what and the first original person that ever
Speaker 1: spit reality rap, gangster rap, whatever it is is you.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and we all oh you, not just we
Speaker 1: didn't know how to be fake either though. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the thing. That's the same. We didn't know that, That's
Speaker 1: what I don't care. We didn't know you could do
Speaker 1: a photo shoot and have a fake gun. You did
Speaker 1: a photo shoot for the Vibe a real gun and
Speaker 1: it went on and it went off, and it went off.
Speaker 1: But I don't understand. I don't for this one. I
Speaker 1: don't understand how people can get on Instagram and all
Speaker 1: that and lie and talk about ship but then all
Speaker 1: their friends see it and they know it's not real,
Speaker 1: but their friends let them do it. Sort of friends
Speaker 1: fake too. They're going along with this. They checked by
Speaker 1: the lights. If the lights are there, that's the reality.
Speaker 1: But you gotta have balls to do that. Actually, me
Speaker 1: to put a picture up and me saying this is
Speaker 1: my house and niggas know that. What kind of person
Speaker 1: is that? You got Instagram police? That's catching motherfucker's too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm talking about your friends. I'm talking about your friends.
Speaker 1: Like I was held accountable for every lyric, every rhyme
Speaker 1: like Ice. You know, come on, Ice, nigga, yo, what
Speaker 1: you know? I had to make sure I stayed within
Speaker 1: the lines because my niggas wouldn't laugh me out of town.
Speaker 1: They be like, come on, Ice, you know, and my
Speaker 1: homie said, Ice, you don't never have to lie because
Speaker 1: you live such an incredible life. You don't have to it,
Speaker 1: just within it. If you don't, you know, people ain't
Speaker 1: gonna believe most of the stories. I tell I need
Speaker 1: a nigga right here, just the co sign half and
Speaker 1: ship you know, so people, but I don't get it now.
Speaker 1: I just look at people. But now I would like
Speaker 1: to ask you hip hop, Now, what is your what
Speaker 1: is what is Ice fellas on hip hop? I just
Speaker 1: don't think it's held to the same same rules or
Speaker 1: same standards. When I got in hip hop, gang banging
Speaker 1: isn't health of the same standards as is when you
Speaker 1: saw nothing but but but But. I think when I
Speaker 1: got into rap, I understood. You know, people that brought
Speaker 1: me in mail and everybody the cheese to me, they
Speaker 1: said hip hop requires skill. That's what I did in
Speaker 1: the are to wrap my movie. I said, it requires skill.
Speaker 1: You have to be have skill to be a breaker,
Speaker 1: a skill to be a rapper, skill to be a DJ. Right,
Speaker 1: once you lower the bar to where there's no skill,
Speaker 1: it's long longer an art form. It's yeah. So I
Speaker 1: came in when niggas will call you whack and you
Speaker 1: had to take it like you act, or you had
Speaker 1: to get better. You try to get better. It's now
Speaker 1: to me, it's kind of like dance music. It's kind
Speaker 1: of like disco. It's just beats and the productions, some
Speaker 1: of the some of the production. It's definitely I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm being honest. I'm being honest. I'm being honest. If
Speaker 1: I can go into a club, I can go into
Speaker 1: a club and listen to trap beats all night long
Speaker 1: and I'm rocking. I mean, that's the sonic. The sound
Speaker 1: production is every thing but the lyrical content. Everybody starts
Speaker 1: it's calling me Jack Trueller. You live on the podcast
Speaker 1: for Iced Tea and John May get out of here.
Speaker 1: You know what the fool is Iced Tea. I'm what
Speaker 1: I'm Jackie. I'm a really big fan man. I was
Speaker 1: with Jack and the Bronze. You know where you at? Hey, Ali, Ali,
Speaker 1: Ali know the adrels come through and we're about to
Speaker 1: come up with it right now. Alright, alright, alright, alright,
Speaker 1: bring some f and vodka. Goddamn it too. I make
Speaker 1: niggi's turn off thick phones when they're in my house.
Speaker 1: Now you know what, you know what? Let me tell
Speaker 1: you somebody, they don't accumulate more. I haven't said this
Speaker 1: the whole interview. And one thing, one thing, one thing
Speaker 1: that I have to say to you. It's ice. Although
Speaker 1: I give the same love that you give to me
Speaker 1: to younger artists, but you not have ever been obligated
Speaker 1: to give me any love that you always gave because
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. But it's real though I'm not, I'm not,
Speaker 1: I'm not an Let me let me keep let me
Speaker 1: keep bigging you like who ain't. Let me keep bigging
Speaker 1: you up because you've always had our back from the beginning,
Speaker 1: like you're one of them guys. Listen, you're one of
Speaker 1: them guys that I know. I call and I know
Speaker 1: you're gonna respond. I know you're gonna be and you know,
Speaker 1: I always haven't been able to to do what I
Speaker 1: gotta do. But when I've been at the lowest, the medium,
Speaker 1: the highest always been in my corner. Because real niggas
Speaker 1: ain't want to show up at the party. Niggas, real
Speaker 1: niggas meet you in the parking lot in the rain
Speaker 1: with the pistol again. We get it again, and I
Speaker 1: want to thank you. I want to thank you. We're
Speaker 1: gonna ask my soldier boy hold on, but before before
Speaker 1: I get to the soldier boy, because I want to
Speaker 1: know who you got in the fight. But before that,
Speaker 1: clown asked Sniggs. Before that, I was like, well, you
Speaker 1: didn't let me finish. Okay, you didn't let me finish.
Speaker 1: I was, I was. I was saying. The music now,
Speaker 1: sonically is incredible, but it's I understood feel it's lacking
Speaker 1: the lyrical content. I think that they're wrapping. They're wrapping
Speaker 1: fast and wrapping stuff. But I'm not taking nothing from it.
Speaker 1: I'm not Now. I listen to J Cole on the
Speaker 1: other day. He has a record and I was like,
Speaker 1: and that's the only thing. I just think that although
Speaker 1: you're a star now and you're wrapping, take a minute
Speaker 1: and make a record and try to move somebody, like,
Speaker 1: try to change somebody's life with it. I understand it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, you got the baddest bitches, You got
Speaker 1: the money you high all the time. I got that,
Speaker 1: But what else is there? Anything else is there? Now?
Speaker 1: Some people there is nothing else. It's just getting money.
Speaker 1: And I grew up with cats like that. It's just
Speaker 1: getting money. But some people got it in them to
Speaker 1: try to help and move and if that's anthing, you
Speaker 1: do it. But you change my life. I used to
Speaker 1: you changed my life. One day, somebody asked you and said, well, Ice,
Speaker 1: when you're dropping something, and you said, I don't want
Speaker 1: to drop something because everybody's dropping mixtapes for free. I
Speaker 1: don't want to spit my game for free. And that
Speaker 1: ship totally me. I would say, cute, he said, if
Speaker 1: you notice it's only East Coast niggas that do the
Speaker 1: mixtape game for free. West Coast mixtape they dropped mixtapes,
Speaker 1: they sounded like Nipsey, like we killed people. Will sit
Speaker 1: back and saye downfall on the downfall of New York
Speaker 1: was whatever the downfall of New York was. We downgrade
Speaker 1: so many people. And I said that one day and
Speaker 1: nobody paid attention. But there was a website called daft
Speaker 1: Pith okay right, we put out a thing called the
Speaker 1: Anti Mix Tape Day would up in twenty free mixtapes
Speaker 1: a day on that website. Yeah it was. It was like, yo,
Speaker 1: this is so deluded. Now there's no value down labels
Speaker 1: and suing them for that. But still it's like, yo, man,
Speaker 1: I mean like, if this is your business, then you
Speaker 1: gotta hold and you gotta take its content. You can't
Speaker 1: just give it away. I never threw out a free mixtapes.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous. It's like, what are you doing, especially somebody
Speaker 1: like you was already known. I mean, if you knew,
Speaker 1: you might have to mixtape with but I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't don't. And then how did the producers get paid
Speaker 1: when you're giving away nobody? You just doreat yourself in
Speaker 1: the same person that didn't put half the work you
Speaker 1: put in the game. Put yourself on the same level
Speaker 1: as then when you have a mixtape. But that's why
Speaker 1: you gotta have producers that's lawyer like hazard. It sounds
Speaker 1: sp K, scram Jones, incredible cuts. You know, people like that,
Speaker 1: because because I'm not getting no money over this, there
Speaker 1: don't work either. So you gotta have people that it's
Speaker 1: willing to take that rest with you. But mind you this,
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Speaker 1: why does your vapor smell like room Boss? My va
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Speaker 1: just can't thank you enough because I know you humble,
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Speaker 1: Keep going? You saw him and I just want to
Speaker 1: thank you because you know why I and I know
Speaker 1: you don't give a fuck. I know you're a real nigga,
Speaker 1: but you know what I feel is real niggers should
Speaker 1: be saluted nowadays. At the end of the day, fake
Speaker 1: niggas had their time and that's the reason why me
Speaker 1: and my partner right here started this podcast. But you
Speaker 1: can feel it is we want to. If you notice
Speaker 1: we've never interviewed not one new guy, and if you
Speaker 1: interview the new Guy. He came with an old and
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Speaker 1: when you become old they kick you out first. That
Speaker 1: you can still do it Jazz, you can still do it. Uh,
Speaker 1: southup my ain game. You could be sixties seven pop
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Speaker 1: and my partners, that's why I got a rocket album now.
Speaker 1: But listen to but you ain't got to have a million.
Speaker 1: You can stick with hip hop and you know, like no,
Speaker 1: but it's real. It's the word. Sometimes you gotta you know,
Speaker 1: but this birthday you can't get back. This is what
Speaker 1: drink Champs is. Drink chats. We want to salute all
Speaker 1: legends because there's no other platform to salute all legends.
Speaker 1: Like right now, if you say I'm gonna do the
Speaker 1: hottest podcast quote unquote, they want to They want to
Speaker 1: get jay Z, they want to get nas, they want
Speaker 1: to get Drake, they want to get all these people.
Speaker 1: That's not what we started off to do. We wanted
Speaker 1: to support our legends. You know, we meet me myself
Speaker 1: like the Raptors. I liked one of the prerequesces was
Speaker 1: what I like to hang out with. Do you know
Speaker 1: I wanted to roll with rock Him. I wanted to
Speaker 1: hang with Big Daddy Kane. I wanted to hang around
Speaker 1: Component No yea game Ray Kwan and hang with Easy.
Speaker 1: Give us an a z story that untold. No that's easy, Easy, well,
Speaker 1: Easy game was. He always tried to tell people's fifteen
Speaker 1: you come out that I know, you don't come out
Speaker 1: just while out in the hotel room some stuff. I
Speaker 1: mean I've seen Easy. You know, the ladies that be
Speaker 1: cleaning the thing. It's like tackle the chick like like
Speaker 1: like this is four nigs, was getting charges and stuff.
Speaker 1: They was just wilding out. But now you know, Easy
Speaker 1: was a good dude. I mean he was. He was
Speaker 1: the street member of the group. He funded that group
Speaker 1: right out. Think it's said that, Yeah, it's true. So
Speaker 1: I'll give you other people names and I just want
Speaker 1: to see you wanted to continue to Easy. Know Easy,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's not think of it as Easy. It's
Speaker 1: passed away. So it's kind of odd to talk about him.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say no Wild, but I might actually
Speaker 1: a couple of people that passed, but I got wild
Speaker 1: story because you got you got story rested. Well, Jam
Speaker 1: that's something about Jack Messenger. Jay was Jay was another
Speaker 1: person who was like the most authentic like part of
Speaker 1: Run d m C. Like he was a street cat.
Speaker 1: So I would always actually like somehow they would gravitate
Speaker 1: to me and we would end up talking and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. But Jay was a solid dude. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's amazing that no one car who killed him. That's
Speaker 1: just amazing that somebody of that caliber, that's like somebody
Speaker 1: from like the one the Super Bowl, like Tom Brady
Speaker 1: get killed. Nobody knows about it. You know, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: And the thing, you know what's crazy. They talk about
Speaker 1: solving they talk about not solving big murder, not sov
Speaker 1: pop pop murder, but they never talked about not solving
Speaker 1: jam Mr Jay and he was just as pinnacle and
Speaker 1: jay Z. Let me tell you, jay Z, and I
Speaker 1: mean Jam mr J and Run d m Z. Remember
Speaker 1: you talk out that moment with you. That was the
Speaker 1: moment that made me really rap. Like I went to
Speaker 1: a concert they had and they had everybody put their
Speaker 1: dads and jam mr J was on a riser and
Speaker 1: they had lasers and ship and I was just trying
Speaker 1: to wrap and I was like, yo, this ship is
Speaker 1: rocking wrong. Like yo, I like no that because we
Speaker 1: had always been doing it in the basements and the
Speaker 1: little clubs and ship and when I seen that, I
Speaker 1: think I went home that night and wrote like twenty
Speaker 1: raps Like I was like, yo, they rundy m C.
Speaker 1: Let me understand. This was big. But it was bigger
Speaker 1: than the basement and the small clubs. Hip hop ward. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I'm going a little bit all over these Tupac
Speaker 1: I knew pop when he was in uh in Digital Underground,
Speaker 1: he was dancing, and um, is that a difference between
Speaker 1: two Digital Underground Tupac wanted. I remember we were at
Speaker 1: a Soul Train awards and it was me and Dre
Speaker 1: and we were sitting at a table and Punk walk by.
Speaker 1: You say, d dr Dre. You just can't just say Dre,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, as a stupid Dr Dre And and
Speaker 1: Pock walked by, and at that time he was in
Speaker 1: Tupac yet I think maybe it was a Treach or somebody,
Speaker 1: but he looked at the table and I could see
Speaker 1: he wanted to sit at the table, you know, I
Speaker 1: could see it. And then as he started to make
Speaker 1: his move at Tupac. I remember one time cook see
Speaker 1: Pack was doing some strange things like all right, like
Speaker 1: he hooked up with the cats in in south central
Speaker 1: fifty second to five deuces, which was rated are and
Speaker 1: no no crip about kick the producer out. But Ali
Speaker 1: got a go. He cooked up with rated all and
Speaker 1: they created that thing thug Life, which was based in
Speaker 1: south central l A. Nothing homies in Jersey. No no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no no no, I dott but I thought the
Speaker 1: third Doug Life was rated R and um and uh
Speaker 1: mac doocious. They were out of l A, right, and
Speaker 1: then you know he evolved from that and then when
Speaker 1: he got into trouble out here, that's when Sugar came
Speaker 1: in and got him out. But I remember one time
Speaker 1: I was in l A and Pomp pulled up on
Speaker 1: me in a car with like this crazy ass chick
Speaker 1: like some like strawberry bit in the front seat. He had. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's how I noticed, think of my brother. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what I said in my mom Strawberry is basically Bronze
Speaker 1: didn't get off for crack like it's a it's a
Speaker 1: street thing for like a crack. Huh Okay, So this brod.
Speaker 1: I know it wasn't this woman. I'm like, what is
Speaker 1: this business? Went in the car? She already you know.
Speaker 1: But he's getting high and he had weed. He had weed,
Speaker 1: he had gun and he wanted me to sit in
Speaker 1: the car and listen to a record. I'm like, are
Speaker 1: you riding around? Like like, are you serious? Are you
Speaker 1: fucking kidding me? I'm not so you know, let me
Speaker 1: just take see. He was trying to impress you, even
Speaker 1: if he wasn't trying to press you, because every time
Speaker 1: I hang out with you, I'm trying to impress. But
Speaker 1: he was. He scared me, so I was like like,
Speaker 1: I was like, man, this is crazy. But I'll tell
Speaker 1: you some real inside ship. He was in my house.
Speaker 1: I had a studio called the crack House, and he
Speaker 1: was at my house with the outlaws, a couple of
Speaker 1: the outlaws, and he played me hit him up and
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. And I was like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: start some you don't like it because of what he
Speaker 1: was saying. I didn't like him starting to beef. I
Speaker 1: was like, dog, you knew where I was gonna go.
Speaker 1: I said, you going in on dude wife and all that.
Speaker 1: I was like Yo, He's like yo. Then at that
Speaker 1: time he thought Big Head shot him and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: whoa you can hand I wouldn't you ain't for be
Speaker 1: handling that with a record? Really? Are you? You know?
Speaker 1: So we kind of was on bad terms that that
Speaker 1: because he wanted me to ride with him and I
Speaker 1: was like I couldn't, you know, And so that we
Speaker 1: was we was kind of like in that zone when
Speaker 1: he got killed. Was what he was saying that Was
Speaker 1: he saying that that was reality? Or was he saying,
Speaker 1: I'm just a rod record. It's a b F record.
Speaker 1: You know, he's talking about life wife, but it's a
Speaker 1: b F record. Like if you're gonna set it and
Speaker 1: you're setting it yelling West Coast, you shouldn't have set.
Speaker 1: I knew that was gonna turn into a real you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know I'm not out wrapping you. I'm threatening you.
Speaker 1: I'm talking yeah, And I'm like yo. I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: I mean you really even to go there? You know,
Speaker 1: I'm sitting back like who I'm supposed to be. I'm older,
Speaker 1: like Yo, this is this is you know? But he
Speaker 1: wanted to going like yeah, yeah, yeah, this is good ship.
Speaker 1: Let's do it say, is he saying that he smashed Faith?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing. But he said that he he
Speaker 1: said it, But was he in the studio? Was he
Speaker 1: saying this is true? Wasn't. No, No, we didn't get there.
Speaker 1: I just listened to the playback and was like, dog,
Speaker 1: that's I don't know, not a good ideade too much,
Speaker 1: it's not a good idea. Plus I'm cool with New
Speaker 1: York like, yo, you remember what it was gone, but
Speaker 1: it was gonna cause a crazy and all all bullshit aside,
Speaker 1: right if you're thinking, maybe shot you while you making
Speaker 1: a record, right, Okay, So we went there. You gonna
Speaker 1: you handle this with a record? Okay? But he wasn't
Speaker 1: ready for that, and I wasn't really trying to send
Speaker 1: him on the minute. I was just trying to get it,
Speaker 1: get it, yeah, come on man, but as yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: But but anyway, long story short, you know, I love
Speaker 1: Poc was a good kid. I remember one night Shot
Speaker 1: came and knocked on my door and he was like, yo,
Speaker 1: uh you need to talk to Pock And he said,
Speaker 1: you like one of the only people here listened to
Speaker 1: And he was like you you know he's gonna now
Speaker 1: you listening to me at that time, So you know,
Speaker 1: he kind of got caught in the song. See when
Speaker 1: you're when you're not in the l A gang scene
Speaker 1: and you come to l A and they embrace you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's you're not necessarily safe, you know. And it
Speaker 1: wasn't where he was supposed to be. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: you you make records, you should be on your way
Speaker 1: out of the game. You shouldn't be making records and
Speaker 1: then going into it, you know, because you're making flyers.
Speaker 1: Like when a stream nigger has the power of an amenity.
Speaker 1: Who shot him Pooky Low? Who's Pooky Low? Nobody knows
Speaker 1: who shot him? Iced Tea, iced Ty gonna be on
Speaker 1: this flyer, He'll be right here. You know. You no
Speaker 1: longer have that ability to disappear into the hood. Niggas
Speaker 1: could pop up on you any motherfucker where. So you
Speaker 1: gotta let that ship go. You gotta let that ship go.
Speaker 1: You're no longer in the underworld. Now you're part of
Speaker 1: the mainstream, and you gotta you have to behave like that.
Speaker 1: So did you did you actually see like after that,
Speaker 1: did you see that pot was going down the road
Speaker 1: that wasn't necessarily Yeah, it wasn't you know. It was
Speaker 1: just not a good place to be, uh you know,
Speaker 1: but you know he was rolling with Shug. Sugar got
Speaker 1: him out of jail, so everybody had turned their back
Speaker 1: on the truck when he got caught in that mess,
Speaker 1: still came and saved. What was your relationship with Sugar
Speaker 1: was m W as bodyguard and but yeah, but he
Speaker 1: rode with them, and being Sugar always had a cool rep.
Speaker 1: Cool like understanding no beef because we did no business.
Speaker 1: But you gotta understand, Sugar is a football player and
Speaker 1: he basically had act connections to the MOB or the MLB,
Speaker 1: the cats in his neighborhood where he's from, and they
Speaker 1: were bloods and he surround himself with a gang of bloods.
Speaker 1: So that was power and something. But then again, my
Speaker 1: boys they were like we the other side, so that
Speaker 1: don't matter to us. And I got Nigga as big,
Speaker 1: biggest Sugar, So it's like, what's happened, friend? You fucked
Speaker 1: me up with that one. Though. My boys was the
Speaker 1: others like because you know, for the rap game, all
Speaker 1: they knew was Sug at one point. That's and but
Speaker 1: but but see, I'm not operating as as that type
Speaker 1: of a militia. But they gotta go yeah, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: but you know it's like, okay, and that's children. We well,
Speaker 1: everybody was cool, everybody understood everybody. Everybody had their limits.
Speaker 1: But me and Sugar never shared a negative word. He
Speaker 1: was very respectful in areas and we respect because we
Speaker 1: we aren't enemies, so to speak. But then at the
Speaker 1: same time were from two different sides of the gang world.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I'm from a crypt side. Okay,
Speaker 1: so they like whatever, can I at your question? U disgressive?
Speaker 1: This is going through something we talk about beef. What
Speaker 1: was to deal with you? We said, I questioned Mo
Speaker 1: d here man iced Tea girl. Well, what happened was
Speaker 1: l l it was I had to ask that because
Speaker 1: I mean, not that I know, uh, he's a little
Speaker 1: bit not I know, because because iced Tea is real nigger.
Speaker 1: I just wanted that was like that was that was
Speaker 1: equivalent to Biggie and partner. Yeah, but no one. I
Speaker 1: didn't take it like that. What happened was with with
Speaker 1: with him was he was just saying he was the
Speaker 1: greatest rapper ever. And I was coming out from the
Speaker 1: West Coast and how was I going to be able
Speaker 1: to be taken seriously if I let someone say they
Speaker 1: were the best. So I had to rep minds. I
Speaker 1: was just like, funk, whoever you think you are, NIGGI
Speaker 1: you know, I had a whole coach on my back.
Speaker 1: So I was like, let's go. Now. Whether I thought
Speaker 1: I could actually beat him wrapping whatever, but I had
Speaker 1: to stay in my ground. And I thought I might
Speaker 1: have been able to be more clever than him, who knows,
Speaker 1: But it was no. That ship got shut down bam.
Speaker 1: But I'd actually shut down that rap beef because because
Speaker 1: l L wanted to be part of Zulu, and there
Speaker 1: was a moment where they were asking me, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: if it's up to me, you know, me and him,
Speaker 1: it's kind of beefing and ship. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, yeah, because Africa Islam put me in
Speaker 1: the game. I might have missed that. He did producing right,
Speaker 1: so so so l you know, but it was his
Speaker 1: record ship. It wasn't it was just who's better rapper?
Speaker 1: Wasn't threatening each other's lives and shipping all that, and
Speaker 1: I did this and that, and I think he said
Speaker 1: I took the the record the thing to the bathroom
Speaker 1: or whatever. But you know whatever, you know that's not granted.
Speaker 1: Some murder like that just still looks so bad that
Speaker 1: you're both like to keep me by storm, like y'are
Speaker 1: both the rat L Now how does that? How does that?
Speaker 1: I ran into LLL in Monte Carlo. We were what's up?
Speaker 1: What's up? All right? Good to see you? All right?
Speaker 1: What's going on with my brother ben Zeno's in the village.
Speaker 1: I was watching TV. I saw you get shot on TV.
Speaker 1: I was like, your relative shot you crazy? To shoot me?
Speaker 1: That's crazy, don't say but my family, now you let's
Speaker 1: get to this Monty Carlo doing a television contention. I'm
Speaker 1: and I chopped it up with l L. And you
Speaker 1: know it was like yo, man at the end. Back
Speaker 1: in them days, this is what we had to do.
Speaker 1: We had to stand our ground, no disrespect, and we
Speaker 1: shook and everything. But I had this recently. This happened
Speaker 1: maybe five years ago. After that point, I hadn't crossed
Speaker 1: the l ELS path nothing like the whole time. We
Speaker 1: don't have to. You know, we live in different coasts
Speaker 1: and you know, but Hollywood didn't bring you all like
Speaker 1: he's like that, what about you? All right, what about
Speaker 1: MODI did you know when when that happened? Did you
Speaker 1: ever talked to we got a funk out. Now, It
Speaker 1: wasn't that. It wasn't it wasn't that serious kind. It
Speaker 1: was wrap ship. It was rap ship. It was never
Speaker 1: that serious. It was just like I could wrap better
Speaker 1: than you know, as a as a young dude coming up,
Speaker 1: and as a young dude coming up, like embarrassment. Come on, man,
Speaker 1: the same person and young dude coming up right, so
Speaker 1: I'll see like you you would that soldier boy for
Speaker 1: his rap and you're like, Yo, that ain't real hip
Speaker 1: hop or whatever, blah blah. Like I agree with you
Speaker 1: because I come up under the seeing nick upon the North,
Speaker 1: I know real hip hop. But I'm taking it as
Speaker 1: like he's a young boy coming up trying to use
Speaker 1: a platform just to make it out the hood. So
Speaker 1: it's like I felt like if I was him, like,
Speaker 1: I'll be hurt to hear that first. It's like I
Speaker 1: look up to you like you going shoot on me.
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make it out feed my fan. Okay.
Speaker 1: It was a backstory to that. This is what happened.
Speaker 1: This is why we were talking about phones off and
Speaker 1: cameras are because we were. I was making a mixtape
Speaker 1: from one of my homies in the hood. Right, This
Speaker 1: dude just a regular nigked I'm on his rapping, rapping
Speaker 1: for him free right. So when I get into the booth,
Speaker 1: the nigga started like like saying, niggas don't want to
Speaker 1: hear you. They want to see boy. They want so
Speaker 1: they pumping me up. They're using this ship to get me.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, they don't want to hear you. Nig
Speaker 1: didn't want to hear christ. They hit my g bone.
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I went on and I lined up,
Speaker 1: I went on a ramp, and the niggas taped it
Speaker 1: and put it out and put it on in the
Speaker 1: front of their mixtape. So I'm so that was. That
Speaker 1: was one of my iced t old man rants. It
Speaker 1: was he was never supposed to hurt it. So now
Speaker 1: I'm in Arizona, minded my business. My son goes soldier
Speaker 1: boys on the internet talking shit about you. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: what so a parent they planned the tape back here listening.
Speaker 1: So now I'm like, well, I can't back down. I
Speaker 1: did say this ship, so now I'm out there, so
Speaker 1: let me verify, let me break down what I said
Speaker 1: and not as told, and nigga breast straight up, nigga,
Speaker 1: this is how I feel blah blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: and what and then rest is history. But at the
Speaker 1: time I felt the bar was starting to drop. And
Speaker 1: I just think that that once again, it needs to
Speaker 1: be a degree of difficulty in hip hop that always
Speaker 1: has been there and that's what makes it something special.
Speaker 1: There's something about a star. A star is something you
Speaker 1: can't reach. That's why Michael Jordan is a star. You
Speaker 1: can't reach it, and that's why we look up to him.
Speaker 1: But when you're doing something that everybody can do, you're
Speaker 1: not really started me what anybody can do, and show
Speaker 1: me something I can't do, and you get to praise.
Speaker 1: So you know, God blessed soldier. But you know this
Speaker 1: is what I do know. Niggas will end up in
Speaker 1: their own ship if that's what they deserve. So now
Speaker 1: you're seeing this this guy and and and look at
Speaker 1: where his life is. You see what I'm saying, So
Speaker 1: you you don't really gotta do nothing to nobody. They
Speaker 1: gonna end up where they're supposed to be because of
Speaker 1: their actions. So you know God, but now we want
Speaker 1: to know you know what that's like. That's like if
Speaker 1: you ever heard about the Laws of Murphy, what can
Speaker 1: happen will happen? And that's what Let me. Let me
Speaker 1: just tell you something. You want to join the gangs gang.
Speaker 1: You're a good guy, busy. You know history in this room,
Speaker 1: right you know said yeah, yo, you know Ice Ice
Speaker 1: kuld killed. Hell, it was it was real because real
Speaker 1: ship though, and I respected because hold on the table
Speaker 1: and I spent on it was real because like like
Speaker 1: I remember when we had the ours so cool and
Speaker 1: we was on Tommy Boy and when and which is
Speaker 1: now on by Warner Bucks, right right exactly. But if
Speaker 1: it's crazy because all happened at that time. But when
Speaker 1: he came out with the cop Killer song, we know
Speaker 1: we just got a deal on Tommy Boy, dude from Boston.
Speaker 1: You know, I got a little single deal. We put
Speaker 1: a song out called one the Chamber. So when the
Speaker 1: Chamber we talked about two kids who I got killed
Speaker 1: and ball stand and the police got over with it whatever,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, shot shot dude under a car,
Speaker 1: shot over due in the back of the head, and
Speaker 1: they got over with it. So, um, we end up
Speaker 1: getting dropped from Tommy Boy because the Boston Police Patrols
Speaker 1: associated and has sued us. So I forgot. There was
Speaker 1: an interview and it was something that I don't know
Speaker 1: if you did the interview, if I did the interview,
Speaker 1: and it was just something because since he had the
Speaker 1: cop Kills song and we got with the cop that
Speaker 1: was trying to compare things, and it was saying that.
Speaker 1: I said, well, as far as I know, you know,
Speaker 1: even though of course I see legend in the game,
Speaker 1: but the song, from my understood was kind of rock.
Speaker 1: It was rap rock, you know what I'm saying. I said,
Speaker 1: it was kind of different. I said, you know, I said,
Speaker 1: we didn't. I said, O, it was just a rap song.
Speaker 1: We was just pretty much talking about you know. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was almost like the same thing. But we went
Speaker 1: out and did the show at the Irvan Empathy. So
Speaker 1: it's just the five of us, you know, we don't
Speaker 1: have no security, nothing to ship. So it was four
Speaker 1: of us, plus we had a little Jamaican neg that
Speaker 1: did on the hook for one of the songs or whatever.
Speaker 1: So when when when when I came with Madman, this
Speaker 1: was the time I guess where they was trying to
Speaker 1: squash the blood and crypt the truth. He had like
Speaker 1: a hundred niggas would I'm like so like one of
Speaker 1: theg was like, yo, I see what I should man,
Speaker 1: I said, ship Sometimes I think right, I'm like, funk right,
Speaker 1: I mean look now, my side of the story is this.
Speaker 1: When the ship happened, the word got out that RSO
Speaker 1: said that we I was the reason they got dropped
Speaker 1: right right right. But that's that's how it came at me.
Speaker 1: So it was like your rs SO said something about
Speaker 1: you that the wait so like like I was telling
Speaker 1: them in my I keep everyone abbress of who we
Speaker 1: might have beefs this that you gotta so, I think
Speaker 1: rs SO it popped up on our radar like it
Speaker 1: it's r SO. Nigga said, some fly So then I'm
Speaker 1: at this place and they go there, they go right.
Speaker 1: But we felt it though, because I was like, look,
Speaker 1: I said, look, I said, look, I said, man, I said,
Speaker 1: we gotta stay together, said nobody was whole body runs.
Speaker 1: What happens, We're gonna get mopped up together. Somebody running.
Speaker 1: We can have a problem like niggas a little Jamaica
Speaker 1: nigga was like, oh, I didn't even like he was like,
Speaker 1: what the fund did I get? MESSI He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: not even off. So like my niggas was, he wasn't
Speaker 1: even that mode. They identified him. So I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: over to you. No could your man came. He was
Speaker 1: like one. So I said, I'm gonna go there like
Speaker 1: y'all said, I'm gonna go over there. I'm gonna talk
Speaker 1: to the OI. We went over that talk and I
Speaker 1: never forget this, you said that. She was like, look, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't got no beef for nothing. Mess Man, you
Speaker 1: see these things that's the Grape Street there that that
Speaker 1: I'm looking out. I'm like, yeah, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it, like yeah, I see it. It's like man,
Speaker 1: funk that he's like, let's go kill some cops. Together said.
Speaker 1: I was like going to like, look, I'm not my
Speaker 1: beef is with you with you? And and and also
Speaker 1: I never, I never, I never really took secondhand information.
Speaker 1: You know, somebody say you said something, then I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get you and I'm gonna see if you'll say it again,
Speaker 1: you know, because that cause niggas get killed over second
Speaker 1: hand information. It wasn't real. So if I can't walk
Speaker 1: up to Ben and say, yo, what's really good? But
Speaker 1: I was really more or less like I ain't mad man.
Speaker 1: A ship went bad when my ship got banned, ship
Speaker 1: went bad for a lot of people, you know, and
Speaker 1: I everybody said it was my fault, but I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: this ship is real, right, we're real. Like so if
Speaker 1: you guys have had heated at the cops and let's
Speaker 1: go get down. Because I was always like that with niggas.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you so quick, you're killing another homie over
Speaker 1: an orange soda. But when they come, you run like
Speaker 1: where's your gangster? And to this day, yeah, they had
Speaker 1: the American flag with all red and blue. Remember the
Speaker 1: stage turn like that was history. A lot of people
Speaker 1: didn't even like that wasn't documented, but you had the
Speaker 1: bloods and crypts on stage. They had American from big flag.
Speaker 1: It was biggest, about as many niggas more than here,
Speaker 1: So it was I mean, it was that was an
Speaker 1: ill moment. It was a moment where l a command
Speaker 1: you for that that was big to do it that
Speaker 1: that hadn't been done before as far as I knew,
Speaker 1: you know, I wanted to try to get the l
Speaker 1: A gangs to to stop killing each other. I still
Speaker 1: this is like all in the same gang. Now this
Speaker 1: is during the ninety two this is a truce, which
Speaker 1: which truth is? What's going on prior to that? And
Speaker 1: why were you on that record? Now that was after
Speaker 1: I was after all that the same game. But you
Speaker 1: was the reason Boston started when when Colors came out,
Speaker 1: that's when everything started forgot about After after Colors everything started,
Speaker 1: everything started going like in the same to Boston when
Speaker 1: Colors came out. Then that's when really I noticed Boston
Speaker 1: started ganging up. You know what I'm saying. It was
Speaker 1: right after Colors. Colors, Like I mean this be from
Speaker 1: the movie theaters. Thing was going crazy when that ship
Speaker 1: came out. You don't you know the thing of it
Speaker 1: is with me, man, that's like I'm responsible for a
Speaker 1: lot of negative ship that happened. But really I've always
Speaker 1: been the person that's really tried to get peace. You know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, my messages can be misconstrued,
Speaker 1: know because I can go into that mode, but that's
Speaker 1: not really my get down. My get down is not
Speaker 1: that And when people meet me, they go, wow, you
Speaker 1: so mild manage you so cool? You know where'd all
Speaker 1: this gangster ship come from? I say, well, people like
Speaker 1: me are the ones you gotta look out for. Then
Speaker 1: they can walking around talking all tough and ship like that.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have any power. That's why I don't understand
Speaker 1: why Donald Trump, now that he has all, this party
Speaker 1: needs to counter because when you have that ability, then
Speaker 1: you don't need to raise your voice Twitter. You can
Speaker 1: just become calm because it's it's nothing, you know. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know a lot now. Nigga see me now and
Speaker 1: I'm not the normal rapper. They're like, why you ain't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't. I don't need to be like that.
Speaker 1: You know. That's all that extra ship right then that's
Speaker 1: it's over different different, but the same ship can happen.
Speaker 1: Niggers can bring the gravity. I just want to I
Speaker 1: just want to do real appreciation. I've seen my brother
Speaker 1: Chin BEng is here, my brother be Strows. Heirs want
Speaker 1: to diego y'all, Benzino, it's a great podcast going on,
Speaker 1: righted team. I can't thank you enough. I can never
Speaker 1: thank you enough for anything you ever did, because you
Speaker 1: know what, I could never repay you for anything you
Speaker 1: ever did, relax, for the children, for the coach. I
Speaker 1: can never repay you for anything you ever did to me.
Speaker 1: And you know how I would pay you with that.
Speaker 1: I would pay you with that is because I always
Speaker 1: do something for somebody who could never repays a game.
Speaker 1: That's real talk paying for its real pay it forward.
Speaker 1: Because you're so big, I can't even It's nothing I
Speaker 1: can ever offer you, can never offer you money, I
Speaker 1: can never offer you anything. All I can offer you
Speaker 1: is real friends. But it's always a treat when players meet.
Speaker 1: It's always a treat when you get around cat to
Speaker 1: your own caliber and you can chop it up and
Speaker 1: it ain't nobody bragging and talking about that unnecessary ship
Speaker 1: because at some point everybody has everything. So there's nothing
Speaker 1: to brag about now because we all have everything. So
Speaker 1: now what is what are you talking about? What have
Speaker 1: you done? What are you what are you giving back?
Speaker 1: You know that's how really wealthy people bragg. You know
Speaker 1: that they talked about how much money they gave away.
Speaker 1: That's not what they have because we all got the
Speaker 1: yaps and books. So what are you giving? All? Getting
Speaker 1: away ten million? This year? I gave back fifty minute
Speaker 1: that's why. That's how the Baller's brand. You know, we're
Speaker 1: still on the nigger side trying to get something. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. We ain't there yet. But my
Speaker 1: thing is iced Tea is really just a person is
Speaker 1: trying to show people there's no limits. Everywhere you want
Speaker 1: to go, you can do it. We all come from
Speaker 1: the hood, and you set your own limits. You know,
Speaker 1: if you listen to the crowd, you're gonna end up
Speaker 1: with them. You did, you can do whatever the funk
Speaker 1: you want. And uh, you know, you just gotta drop
Speaker 1: a lot of that negative ship. You just gotta drop
Speaker 1: a lot of that boisterous, arrogant ship that gets you
Speaker 1: shot and you getting You just learned the mellow out.
Speaker 1: And all of us in this room should live as
Speaker 1: long as we want. We shouldn't go to prison. All
Speaker 1: that we passed. Once you get out of your twenties,
Speaker 1: that's the kill zone right there. If you make it
Speaker 1: out of that, there's no Now you're o g playing
Speaker 1: Xbox nor that's all I do. I plays a one
Speaker 1: year old. Let me just say this and this right
Speaker 1: and the one year old. Here's the problem is, they
Speaker 1: never expected us to make twenty one now after we
Speaker 1: make past twenty five. Now they call us a O G.
Speaker 1: But back in the days, they used to call your
Speaker 1: O G after thirty five forty, but now they call
Speaker 1: you G. Isn't that messing up? I'm understand this, man,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna hold I'm on another channel, right, I'm on
Speaker 1: the channel. It it's called nigger as I funk with like.
Speaker 1: And that's only people care about. Can you send me that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you want me? Everything else is development and they can
Speaker 1: come up and they can learn. If they don't want
Speaker 1: to take advice, they can learn the way we learn.
Speaker 1: You didn't what I'm saying. Might have to make a
Speaker 1: detour through the penitentty, but they're gonna figure it out.
Speaker 1: I think it's and that's only prema. Let me just
Speaker 1: say something. I can never thank you for anything you
Speaker 1: ever did for me, and you continue to do it
Speaker 1: for me. You've never fronted on me. I really really
Speaker 1: appreciate everything. I really love you as a person. I
Speaker 1: love you as an artist. You already know that. I know.
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you when we go downstairs, I could
Speaker 1: probably know more l everything you know to your own ship.
Speaker 1: Stop it no, no, because the way he called his verses. No,
Speaker 1: he really know. I'm not gonna take that. At the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I iced tea big up to
Speaker 1: your beautiful wife. Yeah yeah, everything is good. Go Actually
Speaker 1: no coco questions and one of that, as you know
Speaker 1: why this is hip hop right. So to me, you love,
Speaker 1: open that door, you open that door, you open that door.
Speaker 1: But to your wife, um, Chanelle is in the building.
Speaker 1: I got a one year old daughter, look y'all. Just
Speaker 1: like like you, I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm just very
Speaker 1: fortunate to still be here, to still be in the game.
Speaker 1: I never wanted to be at the top of the game.
Speaker 1: I just I always wanted to be in the game.
Speaker 1: Just bubble, you know, and just chill. I'm about to
Speaker 1: turn fifty nine. I didn't know that I'm standing in
Speaker 1: the ways answering the way you know we do. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to nigga. So just from that age, just
Speaker 1: from my age, my perspective is gonna be a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper. The people I grew up with is a
Speaker 1: little bit different. So that's kind of like you know,
Speaker 1: you say you cut from a different cloth, cut from
Speaker 1: a different cloth. So I hold that code that all
Speaker 1: that I've always held it. And I was telling them earlier.
Speaker 1: The only thing you leave on earth is your your
Speaker 1: reputation and respect that I've earned. So my kids forget
Speaker 1: the money, Jack Jack, tell them we're coming down. Tell him,
Speaker 1: but I'm in it like this, right. The only thing
Speaker 1: that you have in life is your name and your respecting,
Speaker 1: your honor, and with my kids, regardless how much money,
Speaker 1: I can live, and it doesn't matter. If my son
Speaker 1: says I'm little ice and they say your father was
Speaker 1: a sucker, then that's his life. He's gonna live under that.
Speaker 1: So if I'm an honorable cat, people are gonna look
Speaker 1: out for them. They're gonna go, that's your dad, you know,
Speaker 1: the same way we look out for biggest kids to say,
Speaker 1: way we look out. And that's what I'm all about.
Speaker 1: It's b maintaining my respect and my honor for my kids.
Speaker 1: That's all. It ain't about the money. It's not that
Speaker 1: that ship, you know, all that ship comes and goes.
Speaker 1: It's all about that. As long as you've a player
Speaker 1: has his health and his freedom, anything can happen. Right,
Speaker 1: If you have your health and your freedom, that's all
Speaker 1: that mattered. So I'm at home playing Xbox eating cockles.
Speaker 1: I take my black ass the law and order, I
Speaker 1: come back home my motherfucking business. I'm trying to stay
Speaker 1: the funk out the way. I don't want to be
Speaker 1: on your blogs, and none of that old bullshit pop
Speaker 1: out when I've got something to sell. When I'm pushing
Speaker 1: something other than that, I'm cool. I'm chilling, you know,
Speaker 1: because we all got everything we need. Remember this, we
Speaker 1: all got everything we need. It's all about now what
Speaker 1: you want and you I can't tell you what you want.
Speaker 1: We got what we need. What do you need? To
Speaker 1: pair of pants, some shoes, a car, and rent and food.
Speaker 1: That's all you need. Everything else is what you want.
Speaker 1: Some good with that, right, that's all you need. But
Speaker 1: we got that. So your life is based around what
Speaker 1: you want and and and you don't know what I want.
Speaker 1: I might just want to chill and watch TV from
Speaker 1: the bottom of my heart. And I'm gonna speak from
Speaker 1: my partner as well, both partners. Look, it's kind of awkward.
Speaker 1: This is a religious experience here, partner, partner, somebody here.
Speaker 1: You'll pay attention, but but half for all of us.
Speaker 1: We want to thank you because you know why. And
Speaker 1: then and we also understand that you had started your podcast,
Speaker 1: you had did your podcast, but you need to stop
Speaker 1: that and come with drink Champ that one with you
Speaker 1: I did. I did fifty nine episode and this is
Speaker 1: where we're doing. I am Show Night and Puff Daddy together.
Speaker 1: I love it. If they had never had be if
Speaker 1: Sugar Knight and Park Daddy got together, this is what
Speaker 1: drink chat that bird is. Come on myself, I said,
Speaker 1: thank you so much because you know why Ice, there
Speaker 1: really isn't no other platform a hip hop. Now we
Speaker 1: will get real talk. But not only that, we praise
Speaker 1: our legend because every time in our game, after you
Speaker 1: get ten years, you're finished. And every other music or
Speaker 1: genre of anything, do you get ten years, you're a legend.
Speaker 1: Well you come on, man, when you get ten years
Speaker 1: in hip hop, they say, and we don't want to
Speaker 1: do that over here. That's another place, you know. My
Speaker 1: I mean, if I meant George Clinton, I know George Clinton.
Speaker 1: We got too much money he got He's motherfucking George Clinton.
Speaker 1: You gotta And that's how I mean. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: not a distance cat. And just so you know, are
Speaker 1: George Clayton and hip hop? Yeah? Make some noise. I
Speaker 1: ain't not only that you, you the kids. This this's
Speaker 1: my kids. That's my children all. They might not look
Speaker 1: like it, but they all my children. That's that's all
Speaker 1: my child. But you are the George Clinton of our
Speaker 1: hip hop and we're gonna get you to praise you,
Speaker 1: keep you alive. Come and make sure thank you. Goddamne
Speaker 1: makes your Nord drinking looks like my little nephew