WEBVTT - All Things Backlash 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.800 Hey, this is Brian Alvarez and this is today's edition 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:07.080 of the Wrestling Observer Daily podcast on the eight Side Network. 0:00:12.640 --> 0:00:16.560 Live from San Francisco. I'm a sports Byline broadcasting network. 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:19.960 You are listening to Wrestling Observer Live with your hosts 0:00:20.040 --> 0:00:22.360 Brian Alvarez and Mike Semper vv. 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:24.240 Right you ready? 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:25.400 Are you ready? 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:26.640 Let's get it off. 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:31.520 How's it going everybody? 0:00:31.520 --> 0:00:35.040 Brian Alvarez here on Wrestling Observer Live. 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Check it out two Pacific five 0:05:53.520 --> 0:06:10.920 Eastern every Wednesday, live on Sports Byline USA. 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.719 You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:18.480 and Mike simperviv on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:22.159 Man. 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:28.240 Yesterday, I was eating lunch with Hanola after her preschool 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.239 and I was like, I don't know, my stomach feels weird, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:35.000 and like, hope I didn't get what Paisley got or 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.960 she barfed everywhere the night before, barfed seven times the 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:39.599 night before. 0:06:39.960 --> 0:06:40.400 Wow. 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.640 Yeah, I was like, oh man, so kept going about 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:46.520 the day and everything was all right, but I was like, man, 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.640 my stomach feels weird. And then it was time to 0:06:49.640 --> 0:06:52.719 do the Dave Show last night, and man, I was tired. 0:06:53.360 --> 0:06:55.320 And it wasn't that much, it wasn't that late. It 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.760 was like, I don't know, twelve twelve thirty we started, 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:02.440 but I was exhausted. And then I finished up and 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.160 went to bed, and mill of night I was like 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:11.600 sweating and my body was like my skin like, uh, 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.720 it's weird. My skin felt very sensitive, like all my injuries, 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.800 like was my shoulder hurt so bad? 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:18.120 God? 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:21.880 And then I, uh, you know, I was like, I 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:24.000 don't feel good. And I woke up this morning and 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:27.200 I did not feel good. No barfing or anything like that. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:30.960 I just didn't feel good. So I took some tile 0:07:31.000 --> 0:07:33.800 and all and ivy profen and uh may through the 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.080 morning felt much better. But I think, I think, like 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.120 where we started the show, I was like, this. 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:39.760 Is wearing off. 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.880 So if I had to leave, Lance, this show is 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:46.360 in your hands. But I didn't even gonna make it. 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:51.080 Nothing stops me. We got a lot to get into today, Lance, 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:52.920 what was the main event of the the I heard 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:54.720 the main event was good on Impact this Thursday, I 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:58.440 haven't seen I only saw that that I got all 0:07:58.440 --> 0:08:01.600 the way through Moose. That Frickin' Moose match. 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:04.520 With those Zachary Wentz. That was really good. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:05.240 It was awesome. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:09.040 The main event was the Hardys and Joe Hendry against 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:10.920 the Nemoths and Frankie Kazarian. 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:15.320 The Hardy's and Joe Hendry versus the Nemaths and Frankie Kazarian. Well, 0:08:15.400 --> 0:08:20.160 I mean the the Hardy's and Hendry are going to 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:25.520 be heading to Triple A June fifteenth, Triple Mania Regia 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:32.640 along with Angel and Berto. So this this WWE Triple 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:37.120 A TNA thing, I mean, we're seeing all sorts of 0:08:37.120 --> 0:08:40.440 people all over the place. So Triple A obviously they 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.920 would have wanted Raymisterio, but he's he's unavailable because he's injured. 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:46.360 Maybe others will be added, but right now it looks 0:08:46.400 --> 0:08:50.520 like Angel, Berto, the Hardy's and Joe Hendry for the 0:08:50.920 --> 0:08:53.120 June fifteenth. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:58.479 Show in le Ciudad, Regia, the regal. 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:01.640 City, which by the way, is the same day that 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.080 AW and CMLL are running a show in Arena, Mexico. 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.800 Although the events are five hundred and sixty miles away, 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:11.720 so I don't think we have to worry too much 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:17.080 about competition there. But that's the plan for that show. Well, 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:19.439 we got to talk about old Duke the dumpster Drosie. 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:21.400 Did you ever meet this guy? 0:09:22.400 --> 0:09:24.520 Never did? No, And now I'm glad I haven't. 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.280 He has been indicted, press release and out. Monday, District 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.839 Attorney General Chris Stanford of the thirty first Judicial District 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:36.320 of Tennessee announced that Mike Drosey indicted on one count 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:40.439 of attempted aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor. Allegend that 0:09:40.520 --> 0:09:43.800 on April twenty first, he used a coin base account 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.720 to purchase child pornography off the dark web. Transaction was 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.320 flagged and terminated before the purchase was complete. FBI tipped 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.959 off regarding the attempted purchase. The district attorney requested the 0:09:56.000 --> 0:10:00.680 Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Crimes against Children Task Force to 0:10:00.800 --> 0:10:05.520 investigate the matter. He turned himself in released after making 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:09.240 the ten thousand dollars bond arrangments set for May twenty eighth. 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:12.959 He had been working as a dy coordinator for the 0:10:13.000 --> 0:10:16.240 district's Adult Recovery Court program, where he had served with 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:20.960 the program several years. He was immediately terminated from that position. 0:10:22.000 --> 0:10:27.000 And of course Duke the Dumpster Drosie wrestled for WWE 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:30.040 nineteen ninety four to ninety six. This was back when 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:35.599 they had all these these goofy uh, these goofy. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:36.640 You know imics. 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:41.200 Yeah, there was like a like a crocodile hunter and 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.960 there was a minuta. 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:48.240 Garbage man a much as stupid gimmicks. 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:53.640 He feuded with Jerry Lawler and Triple H. This person 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.400 wants to know who bailed him out. Well, according to 0:10:55.400 --> 0:10:59.480 the article, he posted his own bail so that's what 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:03.360 it says here. But he actually appeared for MLW Battle 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:08.880 Riot in twenty twenty three and after that apparently had 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:13.080 another run in with the law. As Dave noted last night, 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.120 this would not be his first run in. He's still 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.720 up on the WWE alumni website. I wonder how long 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:21.520 that's gonna last. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.040 Well, he's always technically an alumni, right. 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.199 Well, I know, but like, I don't think Ben was 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:30.640 up there. I think they can remove you from that 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:32.080 alumni session. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:33.680 If there's a. 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:35.120 Well, they can remove you from anything if they feel 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:35.360 like it. 0:11:35.520 --> 0:11:36.400 Issues have come up. 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:41.679 There was a September thirteen, twenty thirteen, indictment three counts 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:46.040 of delivery of a controlled substance, having sold oxy codone 0:11:46.520 --> 0:11:53.840 and brew penorphine to an undercover police informment, three year sentence, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.440 thirty days in prison, find two thousand dollars. 0:11:59.000 --> 0:11:59.880 And also. 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.080 Actually I think Dave, yeah, that was twenty thirteen, so 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:06.040 that was before the MLW deal. I don't see anything 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:10.280 else that happened since the MLW deal aside from this 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:14.000 one here attempting to use cryptocurrency to pay for photos 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:18.680 of child sexual abuse. So that story, and that's really 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:25.480 all we know about it at this point. Congratulations to Biggie. 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:31.720 He is engaged to Chris Yem who is the sister 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:39.480 of Mia yim Meechen and WWE and so picture yesterday 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:45.000 of him proposing and now man him and Keith Lee 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:50.600 and and Meetchen and Chris im all related now, So 0:12:50.800 --> 0:12:58.920 congratulations to Biggie on net. And that's nice to see you. 0:12:58.960 --> 0:12:59.840 Ever met Biggie. 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:04.480 I have met big Ee, worked with big Ee. Love 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:05.800 big Ee, great guy. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.440 I think everybody loves big Ee. 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:10.520 Yeah. I think if you don't, the problem's probably you. 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:16.240 Yeah, that happens a lot with people I've noticed Holk Hogan. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.520 After he called Shelton Benjamin the wrong name multiple times 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:26.480 in interviews, Shelton issued a response. Hogan was on the 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:31.240 Pat McAfee show speaking with TMZ Sports, and he was 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:36.880 there promoting his new Real American Freestyle organization, and he 0:13:36.960 --> 0:13:42.960 kept mentioning Benjamin Shelton, Rock Lesner, Kurt Angle, and Benjamin Shelton. 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.720 And he did it over and over and ended up 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:49.560 with Shelton being very upset. You lost me forever with 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:52.120 your don't get caught, or as you would call it, 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:55.320 apology speech. So rather than screw up my name and 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:57.400 pretend we have had any sort of camaraderie, which we 0:13:57.480 --> 0:13:59.599 never had, please do me a favor and keep my 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:04.280 name out of your mouth, he said, referencing a speech 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.720 Hogan gave to the WE locker room in twenty eighteen 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:09.040 when he was reinstated into the Hall of Fame. It 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.319 was his return of the company following a twenty fifteen 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:15.800 racism scandal where on a tape leaked years prior, he 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.319 used the N word multiple times, admitting to being quote 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:23.120 a racist, quote a racist to a point, he gave 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:26.040 a speech to the locker room urging everyone to be 0:14:26.080 --> 0:14:30.200 careful because everyone has cell phones and cameras. Now, great speech, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:36.640 and he says he believed this an incorrect interpretation of 0:14:36.680 --> 0:14:43.120 his apology. So anyway, MVP also tweeted pathological lying piece 0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:51.720 of human excrement. So yeah, I don't know, man, Benjamin Shelton. 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:54.280 Yeah, I'm on team heart business in this regard. 0:14:54.800 --> 0:14:56.360 Yeah, I think So. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:00.320 Friday SmackDown one point four zero six million viewer, down 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:03.000 twelve percent from the previous week, lowest total for the 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:05.600 show since April four, to third lowest viewership they've done 0:15:05.640 --> 0:15:08.560 thus far this year eighteen to forty nine point three 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:12.480 seven down twenty seven percent, lowest of twenty twenty five. 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.760 They did go ahead to ed with a NBA. 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.800 Playoff game that did a one point four and four 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:22.440 point six million viewers and an NHL playoff game which 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.640 did a point two and six hundred and forty four 0:15:24.720 --> 0:15:27.840 thousand viewers. So there was a very strong competition on 0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:32.479 Friday night, but not great numbers there for SmackDown. 0:15:32.880 --> 0:15:35.600 I would think with us getting into the summer too, 0:15:35.600 --> 0:15:37.960 and people may be wanting to do things on the weekends, 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.360 Friday night television could take a bit of it. 0:15:41.000 --> 0:15:42.600 Bag them on with more Observer Live. 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:59.560 You get a sh in the gay in the Palms. Meantime, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:03.920 some of the real stuff. 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.840 You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:22.040 and Mike Simpervivi on the Sports Byline Broadcasting Network. 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:27.680 The show Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Lance Storm 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.560 joining us here today and Lanser was a topic you 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.560 wanted to discuss on our next show, So, uh so, 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:34.240 go for it. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:37.680 Yeah, it's gonna be hard to introduce, but it was 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:41.680 off something you had said last week about how, you know, 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:48.240 wrestlers heels in particular, seemed to be more concerned with 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:52.680 getting you know, crowd chants, big responses, and a lot 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:55.680 of them have less heat than you know, say back 0:16:55.720 --> 0:16:59.240 in the day, And I just wanted to bring up 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.760 the point that it's a case of the industry being 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.040 different in that, you know, if we go back to 0:17:06.200 --> 0:17:10.320 the eighties, because Hogan's easiest example there was that pop 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.800 drawing babyface and again you'd have it if you were Bruno, Hulk, Hogan, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.560 Steve Austin. You know, when Warrior was the babyface champ, 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:21.119 when Brett was the babyface champ, that you were expected 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:28.240 to have these programs, draw on shows, and you made 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.679 more money depending on where you were on the card. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.439 So if I was a heel, I would want to 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:37.240 get as much heat as possible so that I might 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:39.840 get to work with that top babyface. And if I 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:45.040 was a heel that got favorable reactions, that top babyface 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:49.320 wouldn't work with me because and the office wouldn't want 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:52.320 me working with him either, because there was very much 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:56.240 the goose that laid the golden egg that kept the 0:17:56.320 --> 0:18:01.080 company afloat, and you were expected to. You know, Paul 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.000 Orndorf had heat and drew really well with Hogan for 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:07.719 all of those shows and all of those events, so 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.919 he stayed in that top position and made Hogan main 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:14.920 event money. But with the industry now, most tickets are 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.679 sold before cards are even announced, before you know, you 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:21.360 go to TV, you don't know what the matches are. 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.200 They don't really do house show programs anymore, and guys 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:30.760 are un guaranteed contracts. So getting that two or three 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:36.320 month run as the top heel facing Hogan or Austin 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.920 or whoever, isn't really at play anymore. It's more if 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.119 I get a big reaction I'll get TV time, and 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:46.080 if I get TV time and big reactions, I'll be 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:50.280 able to negotiate a better contract. So the motivation isn't 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:55.119 the same anymore, because if I was a number three babyface, 0:18:55.160 --> 0:18:56.640 it's like, well, if I can get heat and work 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.640 with Hogan, I can be a number one heel. I'll 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:03.760 make more money. And the money aspect isn't really in 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:09.440 play anymore because pick the next event, whatever Matt seth 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:13.600 rawlins is, he's making the same money. So it just 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:17.600 changes the motivation of the talent, and it changes the 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.680 way the office looks at things too, because they ain't 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:25.600 They aren't worried about who's going to draw best with Hogan, 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:28.920 who's going to draw best with Staying, who's going to 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.560 draw best with you know, Steve Austin. So when you 0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:38.560 remove that measuring stick, talent are going to look for 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:42.959 other ways to show their value and interesting you know, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:47.119 eating and singing along or their best way to illustrate 0:19:47.160 --> 0:19:47.639 their value. 0:19:47.680 --> 0:19:52.080 I guess now, well I want to mention that where 0:19:52.160 --> 0:19:53.240 is it right here? 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:55.080 Se Rah? 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:57.480 All right? 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.600 So if you you mentioned that nobody really draws anymore, 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:08.399 and I would say that people don't draw certainly the 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.280 way they used to. Like I always tell the story 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:13.919 about how you know Hull Cogan. They they announced that 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:15.719 Whole Cogan match and that house show I was at 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:18.600 during intermission, and these people leaped to their feet and 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.520 rushed to buy their tickets for the next event at 0:20:21.560 --> 0:20:22.240 the box office. 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:23.679 And I was like, oh my god. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:25.480 You know they heard that name a Whole Cogan and 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.200 they had to buy tickets. And you know, I don't 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:31.000 think things are like that anymore. But you know, one 0:20:31.040 --> 0:20:36.040 of the things that it's it's an ensemble cash it is, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:39.880 but you know what it's also when people go like, oh, 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.400 they're only paying for the brand, They're only paying for WWE, 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.720 They're only paying for the brand name, that I don't 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:48.840 think that's true. I mean they are to a degree 0:20:48.880 --> 0:20:50.919 like if w Wu's coming to town, some people are like, 0:20:51.000 --> 0:20:54.439 I'm going because you know, WWE's coming to town. But 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.160 I think that that a lot of people they don't 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:01.080 give enough credit to how over some of these performers 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:04.480 actually are. It's it's a different like for example, drawing 0:21:04.560 --> 0:21:07.840 Now was like you really love Yeaton, Well, Jay's gonna 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:09.800 come to your town and all of his merchandise is 0:21:09.800 --> 0:21:12.440 gonna sell out, like he's selling a ton of merch 0:21:13.000 --> 0:21:16.080 and you know you're It's like if you're a fan 0:21:16.119 --> 0:21:20.560 of Jay Uso and Raw is coming to town, like 0:21:21.320 --> 0:21:23.280 he's gonna be on the show. This is why I 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.480 always talk about how with like Dynamite and Raw, and 0:21:26.520 --> 0:21:28.760 people always get on me because they're like, well, you know, 0:21:28.840 --> 0:21:32.040 you you get mad if Dynamites only, you know, advertised 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:35.320 three matches, but if Raw's only advertised three matches, like 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.840 why why are you not as angry as when? Because 0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.400 it's different because on RAW, like I can go through 0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:44.600 the Raw like roster of big stars here and even 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:48.160 not so big stars like aj you know, Austin Theory, 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:53.080 but braun Breaker, even a guy like Carlito, Chad Gable, 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:59.040 Punk Dominic, Mysterio, Dragon Lee, Grayson wall Er, Gunther. You know, 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:02.080 if guys aren't hurt, it's like I can run down 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:04.360 all of the big stars on this roster. They're all 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:07.560 gonna be on Raw unless someone like Rhea is like 0:22:07.640 --> 0:22:10.600 out of the country. So it's like it's different because 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:14.440 for WWE, if you advertise smackdowns coming to your town, 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:19.080 you will see ninety percent of the SmackDown regulars when 0:22:19.080 --> 0:22:22.240 you buy your ticket, whereas with Dynamite they're coming to 0:22:22.280 --> 0:22:24.800 your town. You have no idea who's gonna be on 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.520 the show because they don't do that. You're not guaranteed 0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.680 that Will Osprey is gonna be on the show. You're 0:22:29.680 --> 0:22:32.639 not guaranteed that Kenny Omega or the Young Bucks, or 0:22:32.840 --> 0:22:36.040 you're just not guaranteed anything. So in that case you 0:22:36.240 --> 0:22:39.600 have to advertise names so people will know. My god, 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.240 I'm a big fan of whoever the Hurt syndicate. You know, 0:22:43.359 --> 0:22:45.880 are they gonna be on the show or not. It's 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:50.480 just it's they do their shows differently. Sometimes in aw 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.280 people are there, sometimes they're just not. 0:22:52.720 --> 0:22:53.520 It's totally different. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:56.280 WWE Yeah, I think the way I should word it better. 0:22:56.320 --> 0:23:00.639 It's like people still draw, but programs and Heat aren't 0:23:00.680 --> 0:23:06.600 the draw anymore, like Hogan Orndorf Drew where seth Rawlins 0:23:06.640 --> 0:23:11.159 and bron Breaker and jay Usso they draw in that 0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.800 if they are over, then you want to go see 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:18.720 the show, but there isn't that. Unless jay Uso is 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.200 fighting a heel with Heat, we're not gonna go. It's 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:22.399 like I just want to go and eat with him 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:25.280 because he's great, and we'll watch him wrestle and if 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.240 you know, we'll go see seth we'll sing along, and 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:31.480 there's that. They're stars. We want to see their act. 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:34.879 But in the old days you had to have heels 0:23:34.880 --> 0:23:38.479 with heat because it was the programs that Drew Hogan 0:23:38.560 --> 0:23:42.120 might not draw against a poor heel, so there had 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:44.359 to be that heat. And it's just a change in 0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:47.919 the industry because we're not cutting an angle and then 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:52.600 running sixty house shows off that one television angle. We're 0:23:52.640 --> 0:23:58.480 just doing television everywhere, so you don't have longstanding programs 0:23:58.480 --> 0:24:02.680 are gonna draw, so they the heat isn't as required 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:05.840 to draw money as it used to. But again, obviously, 0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.400 yes there are stars and on the whole they draw, 0:24:08.560 --> 0:24:12.080 but it's not the same level the way they used. 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:22.840 To see thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine. 0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:28.720 So yeah, about I'm trying to do. 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:30.800