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Speaker 1: lot to talk about because he watched Raw last night.
Speaker 1: Raw was the go home show for this weekend's Backlash
Speaker 1: pay per view, which is Saturday night, and it's a
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Speaker 5: There's also a UFC, so.
Speaker 1: We'll be watching Backlash. There'll be a I think a
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Speaker 2: You were listening to Wrestling Observer Live with Brian Alvarez
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Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 1: Yesterday, I was eating lunch with Hanola after her preschool
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know, my stomach feels weird,
Speaker 1: and like, hope I didn't get what Paisley got or
Speaker 1: she barfed everywhere the night before, barfed seven times the
Speaker 1: night before.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like, oh man, so kept going about
Speaker 1: the day and everything was all right, but I was like, man,
Speaker 1: my stomach feels weird. And then it was time to
Speaker 1: do the Dave Show last night, and man, I was tired.
Speaker 1: And it wasn't that much, it wasn't that late. It
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, twelve twelve thirty we started,
Speaker 1: but I was exhausted. And then I finished up and
Speaker 1: went to bed, and mill of night I was like
Speaker 1: sweating and my body was like my skin like, uh,
Speaker 1: it's weird. My skin felt very sensitive, like all my injuries,
Speaker 1: like was my shoulder hurt so bad?
Speaker 4: God?
Speaker 1: And then I, uh, you know, I was like, I
Speaker 1: don't feel good. And I woke up this morning and
Speaker 1: I did not feel good. No barfing or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel good. So I took some tile
Speaker 1: and all and ivy profen and uh may through the
Speaker 1: morning felt much better. But I think, I think, like
Speaker 1: where we started the show, I was like, this.
Speaker 5: Is wearing off.
Speaker 1: So if I had to leave, Lance, this show is
Speaker 1: in your hands. But I didn't even gonna make it.
Speaker 1: Nothing stops me. We got a lot to get into today, Lance,
Speaker 1: what was the main event of the the I heard
Speaker 1: the main event was good on Impact this Thursday, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen I only saw that that I got all
Speaker 1: the way through Moose. That Frickin' Moose match.
Speaker 3: With those Zachary Wentz. That was really good.
Speaker 5: It was awesome.
Speaker 3: The main event was the Hardys and Joe Hendry against
Speaker 3: the Nemoths and Frankie Kazarian.
Speaker 1: The Hardy's and Joe Hendry versus the Nemaths and Frankie Kazarian. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean the the Hardy's and Hendry are going to
Speaker 1: be heading to Triple A June fifteenth, Triple Mania Regia
Speaker 1: along with Angel and Berto. So this this WWE Triple
Speaker 1: A TNA thing, I mean, we're seeing all sorts of
Speaker 1: people all over the place. So Triple A obviously they
Speaker 1: would have wanted Raymisterio, but he's he's unavailable because he's injured.
Speaker 1: Maybe others will be added, but right now it looks
Speaker 1: like Angel, Berto, the Hardy's and Joe Hendry for the
Speaker 1: June fifteenth.
Speaker 5: Show in le Ciudad, Regia, the regal.
Speaker 1: City, which by the way, is the same day that
Speaker 1: AW and CMLL are running a show in Arena, Mexico.
Speaker 1: Although the events are five hundred and sixty miles away,
Speaker 1: so I don't think we have to worry too much
Speaker 1: about competition there. But that's the plan for that show. Well,
Speaker 1: we got to talk about old Duke the dumpster Drosie.
Speaker 1: Did you ever meet this guy?
Speaker 3: Never did? No, And now I'm glad I haven't.
Speaker 1: He has been indicted, press release and out. Monday, District
Speaker 1: Attorney General Chris Stanford of the thirty first Judicial District
Speaker 1: of Tennessee announced that Mike Drosey indicted on one count
Speaker 1: of attempted aggravated sexual exploitation of a minor. Allegend that
Speaker 1: on April twenty first, he used a coin base account
Speaker 1: to purchase child pornography off the dark web. Transaction was
Speaker 1: flagged and terminated before the purchase was complete. FBI tipped
Speaker 1: off regarding the attempted purchase. The district attorney requested the
Speaker 1: Tennessee Bureau of Investigation Crimes against Children Task Force to
Speaker 1: investigate the matter. He turned himself in released after making
Speaker 1: the ten thousand dollars bond arrangments set for May twenty eighth.
Speaker 1: He had been working as a dy coordinator for the
Speaker 1: district's Adult Recovery Court program, where he had served with
Speaker 1: the program several years. He was immediately terminated from that position.
Speaker 1: And of course Duke the Dumpster Drosie wrestled for WWE
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four to ninety six. This was back when
Speaker 1: they had all these these goofy uh, these goofy.
Speaker 3: You know imics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there was like a like a crocodile hunter and
Speaker 1: there was a minuta.
Speaker 5: Garbage man a much as stupid gimmicks.
Speaker 1: He feuded with Jerry Lawler and Triple H. This person
Speaker 1: wants to know who bailed him out. Well, according to
Speaker 1: the article, he posted his own bail so that's what
Speaker 1: it says here. But he actually appeared for MLW Battle
Speaker 1: Riot in twenty twenty three and after that apparently had
Speaker 1: another run in with the law. As Dave noted last night,
Speaker 1: this would not be his first run in. He's still
Speaker 1: up on the WWE alumni website. I wonder how long
Speaker 1: that's gonna last.
Speaker 3: Well, he's always technically an alumni, right.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, but like, I don't think Ben was
Speaker 1: up there. I think they can remove you from that
Speaker 1: alumni session.
Speaker 5: If there's a.
Speaker 3: Well, they can remove you from anything if they feel
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 5: Issues have come up.
Speaker 1: There was a September thirteen, twenty thirteen, indictment three counts
Speaker 1: of delivery of a controlled substance, having sold oxy codone
Speaker 1: and brew penorphine to an undercover police informment, three year sentence,
Speaker 1: thirty days in prison, find two thousand dollars.
Speaker 5: And also.
Speaker 1: Actually I think Dave, yeah, that was twenty thirteen, so
Speaker 1: that was before the MLW deal. I don't see anything
Speaker 1: else that happened since the MLW deal aside from this
Speaker 1: one here attempting to use cryptocurrency to pay for photos
Speaker 1: of child sexual abuse. So that story, and that's really
Speaker 1: all we know about it at this point. Congratulations to Biggie.
Speaker 1: He is engaged to Chris Yem who is the sister
Speaker 1: of Mia yim Meechen and WWE and so picture yesterday
Speaker 1: of him proposing and now man him and Keith Lee
Speaker 1: and and Meetchen and Chris im all related now, So
Speaker 1: congratulations to Biggie on net. And that's nice to see you.
Speaker 5: Ever met Biggie.
Speaker 3: I have met big Ee, worked with big Ee. Love
Speaker 3: big Ee, great guy.
Speaker 5: I think everybody loves big Ee.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think if you don't, the problem's probably you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that happens a lot with people I've noticed Holk Hogan.
Speaker 1: After he called Shelton Benjamin the wrong name multiple times
Speaker 1: in interviews, Shelton issued a response. Hogan was on the
Speaker 1: Pat McAfee show speaking with TMZ Sports, and he was
Speaker 1: there promoting his new Real American Freestyle organization, and he
Speaker 1: kept mentioning Benjamin Shelton, Rock Lesner, Kurt Angle, and Benjamin Shelton.
Speaker 1: And he did it over and over and ended up
Speaker 1: with Shelton being very upset. You lost me forever with
Speaker 1: your don't get caught, or as you would call it,
Speaker 1: apology speech. So rather than screw up my name and
Speaker 1: pretend we have had any sort of camaraderie, which we
Speaker 1: never had, please do me a favor and keep my
Speaker 1: name out of your mouth, he said, referencing a speech
Speaker 1: Hogan gave to the WE locker room in twenty eighteen
Speaker 1: when he was reinstated into the Hall of Fame. It
Speaker 1: was his return of the company following a twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: racism scandal where on a tape leaked years prior, he
Speaker 1: used the N word multiple times, admitting to being quote
Speaker 1: a racist, quote a racist to a point, he gave
Speaker 1: a speech to the locker room urging everyone to be
Speaker 1: careful because everyone has cell phones and cameras. Now, great speech,
Speaker 1: and he says he believed this an incorrect interpretation of
Speaker 1: his apology. So anyway, MVP also tweeted pathological lying piece
Speaker 1: of human excrement. So yeah, I don't know, man, Benjamin Shelton.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm on team heart business in this regard.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think So.
Speaker 1: Friday SmackDown one point four zero six million viewer, down
Speaker 1: twelve percent from the previous week, lowest total for the
Speaker 1: show since April four, to third lowest viewership they've done
Speaker 1: thus far this year eighteen to forty nine point three
Speaker 1: seven down twenty seven percent, lowest of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 5: They did go ahead to ed with a NBA.
Speaker 1: Playoff game that did a one point four and four
Speaker 1: point six million viewers and an NHL playoff game which
Speaker 1: did a point two and six hundred and forty four
Speaker 1: thousand viewers. So there was a very strong competition on
Speaker 1: Friday night, but not great numbers there for SmackDown.
Speaker 3: I would think with us getting into the summer too,
Speaker 3: and people may be wanting to do things on the weekends,
Speaker 3: Friday night television could take a bit of it.
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Speaker 1: The show Brian Alvarez here, Wrestling Observer Live, Lance Storm
Speaker 1: joining us here today and Lanser was a topic you
Speaker 1: wanted to discuss on our next show, So, uh so,
Speaker 1: go for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be hard to introduce, but it was
Speaker 3: off something you had said last week about how, you know,
Speaker 3: wrestlers heels in particular, seemed to be more concerned with
Speaker 3: getting you know, crowd chants, big responses, and a lot
Speaker 3: of them have less heat than you know, say back
Speaker 3: in the day, And I just wanted to bring up
Speaker 3: the point that it's a case of the industry being
Speaker 3: different in that, you know, if we go back to
Speaker 3: the eighties, because Hogan's easiest example there was that pop
Speaker 3: drawing babyface and again you'd have it if you were Bruno, Hulk, Hogan,
Speaker 3: Steve Austin. You know, when Warrior was the babyface champ,
Speaker 3: when Brett was the babyface champ, that you were expected
Speaker 3: to have these programs, draw on shows, and you made
Speaker 3: more money depending on where you were on the card.
Speaker 3: So if I was a heel, I would want to
Speaker 3: get as much heat as possible so that I might
Speaker 3: get to work with that top babyface. And if I
Speaker 3: was a heel that got favorable reactions, that top babyface
Speaker 3: wouldn't work with me because and the office wouldn't want
Speaker 3: me working with him either, because there was very much
Speaker 3: the goose that laid the golden egg that kept the
Speaker 3: company afloat, and you were expected to. You know, Paul
Speaker 3: Orndorf had heat and drew really well with Hogan for
Speaker 3: all of those shows and all of those events, so
Speaker 3: he stayed in that top position and made Hogan main
Speaker 3: event money. But with the industry now, most tickets are
Speaker 3: sold before cards are even announced, before you know, you
Speaker 3: go to TV, you don't know what the matches are.
Speaker 3: They don't really do house show programs anymore, and guys
Speaker 3: are un guaranteed contracts. So getting that two or three
Speaker 3: month run as the top heel facing Hogan or Austin
Speaker 3: or whoever, isn't really at play anymore. It's more if
Speaker 3: I get a big reaction I'll get TV time, and
Speaker 3: if I get TV time and big reactions, I'll be
Speaker 3: able to negotiate a better contract. So the motivation isn't
Speaker 3: the same anymore, because if I was a number three babyface,
Speaker 3: it's like, well, if I can get heat and work
Speaker 3: with Hogan, I can be a number one heel. I'll
Speaker 3: make more money. And the money aspect isn't really in
Speaker 3: play anymore because pick the next event, whatever Matt seth
Speaker 3: rawlins is, he's making the same money. So it just
Speaker 3: changes the motivation of the talent, and it changes the
Speaker 3: way the office looks at things too, because they ain't
Speaker 3: They aren't worried about who's going to draw best with Hogan,
Speaker 3: who's going to draw best with Staying, who's going to
Speaker 3: draw best with you know, Steve Austin. So when you
Speaker 3: remove that measuring stick, talent are going to look for
Speaker 3: other ways to show their value and interesting you know,
Speaker 3: eating and singing along or their best way to illustrate
Speaker 3: their value.
Speaker 1: I guess now, well I want to mention that where
Speaker 1: is it right here?
Speaker 7: Se Rah?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 1: So if you you mentioned that nobody really draws anymore,
Speaker 1: and I would say that people don't draw certainly the
Speaker 1: way they used to. Like I always tell the story
Speaker 1: about how you know Hull Cogan. They they announced that
Speaker 1: Whole Cogan match and that house show I was at
Speaker 1: during intermission, and these people leaped to their feet and
Speaker 1: rushed to buy their tickets for the next event at
Speaker 1: the box office.
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my god.
Speaker 1: You know they heard that name a Whole Cogan and
Speaker 1: they had to buy tickets. And you know, I don't
Speaker 1: think things are like that anymore. But you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things that it's it's an ensemble cash it is,
Speaker 1: but you know what it's also when people go like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're only paying for the brand, They're only paying for WWE,
Speaker 1: They're only paying for the brand name, that I don't
Speaker 1: think that's true. I mean they are to a degree
Speaker 1: like if w Wu's coming to town, some people are like,
Speaker 1: I'm going because you know, WWE's coming to town. But
Speaker 1: I think that that a lot of people they don't
Speaker 1: give enough credit to how over some of these performers
Speaker 1: actually are. It's it's a different like for example, drawing
Speaker 1: Now was like you really love Yeaton, Well, Jay's gonna
Speaker 1: come to your town and all of his merchandise is
Speaker 1: gonna sell out, like he's selling a ton of merch
Speaker 1: and you know you're It's like if you're a fan
Speaker 1: of Jay Uso and Raw is coming to town, like
Speaker 1: he's gonna be on the show. This is why I
Speaker 1: always talk about how with like Dynamite and Raw, and
Speaker 1: people always get on me because they're like, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you you get mad if Dynamites only, you know, advertised
Speaker 1: three matches, but if Raw's only advertised three matches, like
Speaker 1: why why are you not as angry as when? Because
Speaker 1: it's different because on RAW, like I can go through
Speaker 1: the Raw like roster of big stars here and even
Speaker 1: not so big stars like aj you know, Austin Theory,
Speaker 1: but braun Breaker, even a guy like Carlito, Chad Gable,
Speaker 1: Punk Dominic, Mysterio, Dragon Lee, Grayson wall Er, Gunther. You know,
Speaker 1: if guys aren't hurt, it's like I can run down
Speaker 1: all of the big stars on this roster. They're all
Speaker 1: gonna be on Raw unless someone like Rhea is like
Speaker 1: out of the country. So it's like it's different because
Speaker 1: for WWE, if you advertise smackdowns coming to your town,
Speaker 1: you will see ninety percent of the SmackDown regulars when
Speaker 1: you buy your ticket, whereas with Dynamite they're coming to
Speaker 1: your town. You have no idea who's gonna be on
Speaker 1: the show because they don't do that. You're not guaranteed
Speaker 1: that Will Osprey is gonna be on the show. You're
Speaker 1: not guaranteed that Kenny Omega or the Young Bucks, or
Speaker 1: you're just not guaranteed anything. So in that case you
Speaker 1: have to advertise names so people will know. My god,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of whoever the Hurt syndicate. You know,
Speaker 1: are they gonna be on the show or not. It's
Speaker 1: just it's they do their shows differently. Sometimes in aw
Speaker 1: people are there, sometimes they're just not.
Speaker 5: It's totally different.
Speaker 3: WWE Yeah, I think the way I should word it better.
Speaker 3: It's like people still draw, but programs and Heat aren't
Speaker 3: the draw anymore, like Hogan Orndorf Drew where seth Rawlins
Speaker 3: and bron Breaker and jay Usso they draw in that
Speaker 3: if they are over, then you want to go see
Speaker 3: the show, but there isn't that. Unless jay Uso is
Speaker 3: fighting a heel with Heat, we're not gonna go. It's
Speaker 3: like I just want to go and eat with him
Speaker 3: because he's great, and we'll watch him wrestle and if
Speaker 3: you know, we'll go see seth we'll sing along, and
Speaker 3: there's that. They're stars. We want to see their act.
Speaker 3: But in the old days you had to have heels
Speaker 3: with heat because it was the programs that Drew Hogan
Speaker 3: might not draw against a poor heel, so there had
Speaker 3: to be that heat. And it's just a change in
Speaker 3: the industry because we're not cutting an angle and then
Speaker 3: running sixty house shows off that one television angle. We're
Speaker 3: just doing television everywhere, so you don't have longstanding programs
Speaker 3: are gonna draw, so they the heat isn't as required
Speaker 3: to draw money as it used to. But again, obviously,
Speaker 3: yes there are stars and on the whole they draw,
Speaker 3: but it's not the same level the way they used.
Speaker 4: To see thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, thirty nine.
Speaker 4: So yeah, about I'm trying to do.
Speaker 5: The math here in my head. Anyway, that's never good,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: But of you know, just a quick glance there of
Speaker 1: like you know, forty five roster members, like seven or
Speaker 1: eight weren't on the show that are like not injured,
Speaker 1: but like all the rest of.
Speaker 5: Them were there.
Speaker 1: You bought your ticket to Raw. You saw virtually everybody
Speaker 1: on that show last night. So anyway, all right, what
Speaker 1: else do we have here? Somebody had a question about
Speaker 1: what's going on with WWE and Triple A and the contracts, and.
Speaker 3: Well, because of Alberto El Patron.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll try to I'll try to talk about that.
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a big thing here, but I
Speaker 1: have to, uh, I got to read it before I
Speaker 1: talk about it. Because helps, Yeah, Dutch and Vincent no
Speaker 1: longer with AW They were removed from the roster page
Speaker 1: and we can confirm that they are done. So I
Speaker 1: don't know if their contracts expired or what the situation was,
Speaker 1: but they've been used in a ring of honor and
Speaker 1: uh and now they are gone.
Speaker 5: So that's the update there.
Speaker 1: Chelsea Green designed to do contract extension, multi year deal,
Speaker 1: and this comes on the heels of her losing the
Speaker 1: women's US title and so she'll be around for the
Speaker 1: long haul. I like Chelsea. People can get mad at this,
Speaker 1: but I find her act like Miles in Miles and
Speaker 1: Miles better when she's not the champion.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like it's such a comedy gimmick, and it's so goofy,
Speaker 1: like it's hard to take it seriously that she is
Speaker 1: the champion of the world or I guess the nation.
Speaker 5: But when they when.
Speaker 1: She was no longer the champion and she was doing
Speaker 1: all that goofy stuff backstage and she feigned in the
Speaker 1: whole thing, I was I loved it, thought it was great.
Speaker 3: What was your take on Honky tonk Man as intercontinental
Speaker 3: champion then?
Speaker 5: But that was old gimmick.
Speaker 1: It's like he's he's a geek, And the idea was yes,
Speaker 1: because he was a geek like you always.
Speaker 5: But it's different.
Speaker 1: It's like back then, it's like, no matter who he wrestled,
Speaker 1: people were like, oh my god, he's gonna lose it
Speaker 1: for sure here and then he wouldn't lose it, and
Speaker 1: so you'd get all this get all this heat, but
Speaker 1: like nobody really seriously, Like you know, when he was
Speaker 1: the longest reigning intercontinental champion of all time, no one
Speaker 1: took that as like a serious thing, like he was
Speaker 1: one of the greatest wrestlers of all time.
Speaker 5: It was just he didn't get beat for a long time.
Speaker 3: So and how is that different?
Speaker 1: It was a it was a goofy gimmick. I probably
Speaker 1: I was too young back then. I probably would have
Speaker 1: hated him being the intercominal champions will be like, why
Speaker 1: is it a Randy Savage a champion, a recrude.
Speaker 3: You're older than the demographic or who else?
Speaker 1: Come on, I don't care if she has a title.
Speaker 1: I just said it's easier to take it seriously when
Speaker 1: she's not the champion doing this corniness. It's very good
Speaker 1: at it. Proud of her forgetting a new deal. Good
Speaker 1: work back in the moment.
Speaker 5: Obs everlive.
Speaker 7: A definis townel.
Speaker 6: I come to see you.
Speaker 10: My bone.
Speaker 5: Fine on the range, but they call me.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, very quickly with this Triple A WWE thing.
Speaker 1: So you know, we have a lot of we have
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of questions about this. This
Speaker 1: person here says p W Nexus says they have not
Speaker 1: signed anyone and uh. And this other person here says, well,
Speaker 1: WWE hasn't even technically purchased Triple A yet, so why
Speaker 1: would they be signing. Uh, they don't even own Triple
Speaker 1: A yet, they said, So why would they be saying?
Speaker 1: Here's all I can tell you about this. Okay, this
Speaker 1: was originally reported by Ernesto Ocampo of Super Lucas. Okay,
Speaker 1: super Lucas dot Com in uh in Mexico. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to disregard anyone else's reporting. But if you
Speaker 1: don't think Ernesto a Campo knows what he's talking about
Speaker 1: when it comes to Lucia, I don't know what to
Speaker 1: tell you. So He says that Albert To del Rio, Ehoda,
Speaker 1: doctor Wagner, the Kingo la Parca, Wahiedra, Lady Flammer, Lady Maravilla,
Speaker 1: and Nino Umbergaisa Nino Umbergasa have all signed these new deals.
Speaker 1: And yesterday there were there were people arguing this, but
Speaker 1: he he is saying it's it's true.
Speaker 5: And the story is that.
Speaker 1: Essentially Triple A contracts they certainly are not what the
Speaker 1: TKO contracts are in terms of you know, there there's
Speaker 1: a lot of provisions they don't have. The feeling is
Speaker 1: they aren't that hard to get out of, and you know, uh,
Speaker 1: t KO wants to avoid guys being taken out from
Speaker 1: under them, probably before everything goes down. So I was
Speaker 1: told that these are the people that have signed new tkals.
Speaker 1: These are not you know, w W is gonna buy them.
Speaker 1: And so they're assuming the contracts these are new t
Speaker 1: KO deals and that there are others who maybe have
Speaker 1: not signed yet, and there may also be others that
Speaker 1: are not with Triple A that are going to UH
Speaker 1: to be offered these deals. So they want people under
Speaker 1: solid deals. Is how it's it was phrased, like, you know,
Speaker 1: not easy to get out of intellectual property rights, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera, merchandising rights, that sort of thing. And these
Speaker 1: are TKO contracts, but they are for Triple A. So
Speaker 1: you're not likely to see Alberto del Rio in in
Speaker 1: w W E proper anytime soon, and who knows, who
Speaker 1: knows what his future will be, but somehow this guy
Speaker 1: always lands on his feet. So that is that is
Speaker 1: what I believe the story is here. Others have denied that,
Speaker 1: but that is, Uh, that's from Super Lucas.
Speaker 5: So there you go, Virginia. This raw show. It was long,
Speaker 5: sure was, but not how long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how long it is. I watched
Speaker 3: it on Netflix and it's so weird because I watched
Speaker 3: it on delay and like, I don't know. I started
Speaker 3: to say, the show is about an hour in when
Speaker 3: I started, and they edit out the commercial breaks even
Speaker 3: when you're only watching about an hour behind. So it's
Speaker 3: really weird because you know SO and SO do a dive,
Speaker 3: you go to break and the screen just goes black
Speaker 3: for like half a second and then it comes back up.
Speaker 3: But in real time it's like four minutes later, so
Speaker 3: it's like the other guy's completely in control, like things
Speaker 3: have obviously clearly happened that you didn't see, but it
Speaker 3: feels like it was three seconds ago, which I really
Speaker 3: found weird because even I think at one point they
Speaker 3: replayed something that happened in the break and it's like
Speaker 3: it was a thirty second break. Actually it was about
Speaker 3: a five second break. So it was odd watching it
Speaker 3: in that regard the advertisements everywhere, because the last time
Speaker 3: I watched Raw, they hadn't started sponsorships on everything, so
Speaker 3: that was really jarring. Like four decades of my viewing
Speaker 3: and working there, there was a look to the show
Speaker 3: the same and basically that you know, light blue canvas
Speaker 3: being a big part of it. It was really jarring
Speaker 3: to see the different color canvas with all the sponsorship
Speaker 3: logos and stuff on it. That was jarring.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, the weird thing for me is is
Speaker 1: how the I love that it skips the commercials on Netflix,
Speaker 1: but it is weird because when you first turned the show,
Speaker 1: it says there's two hours and thirty six minutes left,
Speaker 1: so you kind of have in your head, all right,
Speaker 1: well I got done by such and such a time,
Speaker 1: But when they go to commercial, it just it jumps
Speaker 1: forward in one second, but the clock jumps forward four minutes,
Speaker 1: so it kind of throws me off. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: there's two hours left. Then they go to commercial and
Speaker 1: instantly there's an hour and fifty six left and then
Speaker 1: so that kind of throws me off a little because
Speaker 1: it's hard to do the math in my head of
Speaker 1: how much time I actually have.
Speaker 5: So I can tell Dave like.
Speaker 1: We're gonna start at such and such a time, but
Speaker 1: I have to like try and figure it out.
Speaker 5: But anyway, it was Uh.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a pretty good show and is
Speaker 1: the go home show for the pay per view this
Speaker 1: coming weekend, And in terms of everything, it's like, I
Speaker 1: thought they did a good job with the jay Uso storyline.
Speaker 1: They did the jay Uso seth Rawlins match for free
Speaker 1: on television here, and obviously they're gonna run it back
Speaker 1: again down the road, and I think they just kind
Speaker 1: of wanted to do something where a you got a
Speaker 1: big unadvertised match, which I don't think they should do
Speaker 1: this every week, but every now and then I think
Speaker 1: they should because what you do want people to think, well,
Speaker 1: I don't want to miss a show because I might
Speaker 1: miss something big. But at the same time, you don't
Speaker 1: want to give big unadvertised matches away every single week,
Speaker 1: so so I thought it was good to do it here,
Speaker 1: and also I didn't you know, I hate the stupid finishes,
Speaker 1: but it was it was done in such a way
Speaker 1: that this he got Seth got his world title rematch
Speaker 1: or his world title shot here, but nothing was settled
Speaker 1: and they can run it back again later, So I
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty good. It wasn't a big fan
Speaker 1: of the way they did it with Jay in the
Speaker 1: sense that he hit all of his big moves in
Speaker 1: succession and Seth just kicked out and then Seth had
Speaker 1: him beat with the stomp, but then music distracted him
Speaker 1: and Punk ran down and we had a de Kio
Speaker 1: just thought that Jay is not a champion that you
Speaker 1: kind of want to make look weak because he's not
Speaker 1: really like a super strong champion. He's he's fine, but
Speaker 1: you know, I think that he needs to be portrayed
Speaker 1: a little bit stronger. I think they should have done
Speaker 1: something when he hit all of his moves as opposed
Speaker 1: to the heel just kicking out of it. So but overall,
Speaker 1: I thought, you know, the finish aside which was Cmpunk
Speaker 1: just running in and hitting everybody with chairs. They didn't
Speaker 1: even call for a bell.
Speaker 5: It just it was over. I thought, I thought it
Speaker 5: was a good main event.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I enjoyed it, and I hear this is
Speaker 3: going to be a common thing, the non finish, the
Speaker 3: DQ finish, or whatever the finish was. But that was
Speaker 3: the one downer for me in that I felt like
Speaker 3: I invested an hour into this match because that opening
Speaker 3: promo felt like it was a half hour. Maybe it
Speaker 3: was only twenty minutes, but that opening promo, which was
Speaker 3: good and I was entertained the whole time, but it
Speaker 3: felt like that was a half an hour, and then
Speaker 3: the match felt like it was a good twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I dedicated an hour to this program
Speaker 3: and it's just a I will assume a DQ or
Speaker 3: a no contest. It's like, we didn't even get a bell.
Speaker 3: You didn't even tell me what the result was. And
Speaker 3: that was very unsatisfying. And I'm told that that's fairly common.
Speaker 3: Perhaps if it's not common, then it won't bother me
Speaker 3: as much. But I did invest an awful lot of
Speaker 3: time to just have it end the way it did.
Speaker 5: But it was worth it for Paul Hayman's promo.
Speaker 3: Well, I enjoyed Paul Haymen's promo, but that I didn't
Speaker 3: That was only the first twenty minutes.
Speaker 5: I thought that promo was fricking great.
Speaker 1: It's the same promo everybody cuts. But man o man,
Speaker 1: did he deliver that with some gumption?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he did do a good job. And I
Speaker 3: believe this is the first time he's really delved into
Speaker 3: explaining why he turned on Punk and Roman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was a very very simple explanation, which
Speaker 1: is that Punk put me in a terrible position and
Speaker 1: it was there was no a way to win. And
Speaker 1: then you know, Roman took it personally thinking what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave him, I'm gonna sabotage everything, and so really,
Speaker 1: you know, in his mind, these two guys were total
Speaker 1: jerks to him, and this one was not his fault.
Speaker 1: Roman reigns in particular, he made this guy, brought him
Speaker 1: from the island of irrelevancy, made him the tribal chief,
Speaker 1: and then this guy disappeared after he lost the title.
Speaker 1: And the way he said he left me in the
Speaker 1: hands of Solo, I was like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he sure did, brother, I'd be mad too.
Speaker 1: Solo Fatoo in the Tongans. They almost ended his career.
Speaker 1: And then Roman came back, not for him but for
Speaker 1: the Ulafalla and he says, I'm always the freaking scumbag,
Speaker 1: but not this time, which I thought was just a
Speaker 1: great line because he's admitting I am a horrible person.
Speaker 1: I've done many horrible things. I've lied, I've cheated, but
Speaker 1: you know what, not this time.
Speaker 5: And he's like turning purple. And you know, normally I don't.
Speaker 1: Like like a serious thing. There's some comedy. But when
Speaker 1: Jay said are you all right? Everyone laughed. It was like,
Speaker 1: that's an obvious question anybody would ask. He looked like
Speaker 1: he was about to explode. And then later and then
Speaker 1: later they had the head line from Pat mcavee where
Speaker 1: he just calmly says, Paul Hayman and Brown Breaker back
Speaker 1: from a trip to the Sun. I laughed because they
Speaker 1: were so dark.
Speaker 5: It was ridiculous, how tan they were.
Speaker 1: And what about what about that Pat mcavee, What promo
Speaker 1: that guy is?
Speaker 3: He didn't turn himself babyface for me? Though, really, well,
Speaker 3: I'm I'm a wrestler. I go with Gunther.
Speaker 5: Well sure, but I mean, come on, that was an
Speaker 5: awesome proma that guy cut.
Speaker 3: It was a again, I couldn't think of a better
Speaker 3: promo for him to cut. But the football kicker doing
Speaker 3: commentary complaining to Gunther serious, respectful pro wrestler. You can
Speaker 3: see why I would side with Gunther. So but it
Speaker 3: was effective.
Speaker 5: You are very much a Gunther type.
Speaker 3: Lance. Yes, I would definitely be on team Gunther.
Speaker 5: Have you ever met that guy?
Speaker 3: I don't think I have, Actually no, really, how about that.
Speaker 5: You guys would get along swimmingly.
Speaker 1: I think we had Rock Sand and EO Sky, which
Speaker 1: was a great, a great match.
Speaker 5: These two are so good. Eo is so over.
Speaker 1: You know, as I talked about yesterday, it appears damage
Speaker 1: control is finished. That was kind of the unofficial word
Speaker 1: I got from WWE. So I mean, maybe Osca and
Speaker 1: Kyrie you are going to return as a tag team,
Speaker 1: maybe even on a different show, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: this is not official, but I believe that the draft
Speaker 1: may be taking place at the end of the month,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna be switching some things up there. But
Speaker 1: this Rock San is great, and I don't know why
Speaker 1: she's still in NXT. They do consider her an NXT
Speaker 1: talent still, even though she regularly works the main roster.
Speaker 1: But I thought they had a great match, clean finish,
Speaker 1: and then Julia ended up jumping EO afterwards. Because we
Speaker 1: have two things going. We have a match next week
Speaker 1: with Roxanne and Julia versus Rhea and EO Sky. But
Speaker 1: also there will be a EO Sky versus Julia match upcoming,
Speaker 1: and I guess we'll find out where.
Speaker 3: Is Julia still NXT or is she on the show?
Speaker 1: Is still considered NXT as well. But I presume that
Speaker 1: you know, the official call ups will be during the draft, because.
Speaker 3: Just it feels so insignificant if they get called up
Speaker 3: and have their official debut after you've seen them wrestle
Speaker 3: six times on the show already. Yeah, so I was.
Speaker 1: They're in Tampa for four days at the end at
Speaker 1: the end of the month, and it's close enough to
Speaker 1: Orlando that they can they can do stuff with the
Speaker 1: NXT talent. I would presume they've got to be because
Speaker 1: you know, as we talked about yesterday, they did get
Speaker 1: rid of a fair number of women, but they also
Speaker 1: have thirty women in developmental on and that's just on television.
Speaker 1: That's not counting anyone in evolved, anyone who hasn't made
Speaker 1: television yet. And so we are going to see some
Speaker 1: call ups coming up very very soon, and it's time
Speaker 1: for a lot of these women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a good half a dozen or eight women
Speaker 3: that are so ready for the main roster.
Speaker 5: All right, back in the moment with more Observer Live.
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Speaker 5: Time Flies. You're on this program, but I fear not.
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Speaker 5: Show should be up earlier once it's a tape show, right.
Speaker 3: Well, actually for all shows, it should be up in
Speaker 3: the regular times and stay there. There was just a
Speaker 3: few technical difficulties for the live week this week.
Speaker 5: That's of course.
Speaker 1: Of course, it was because I decided to watch it
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