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Speaker 1: Breakingpoints dot com. Welcome everybody to counterpoints on Ryan Graham

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Speaker 1: here with Emily Joshinski. How you doing, I'm good, I'm

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Speaker 1: ready for today's show. It's a lot of stuff, but

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Speaker 1: it's important stuff, yes, and we're going to start out

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Speaker 1: with a joke that we didn't realize was going to

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Speaker 1: be a joke, but it turned into a joke, but

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Speaker 1: it's also quite serious. And this is Donald Trump's major announcement,

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Speaker 1: right He teased a major announcement this week and had

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Speaker 1: running for president of the United States, and he got

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Speaker 1: into the field earlier than anybody else except for the

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Speaker 1: incumbent president A one here, Yeah, so put a one

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Speaker 1: up on the screen. This was it. This was the announcement.

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Speaker 1: If you can't see it, if you're listening, it's Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump in superhero garb with a kind of American flag

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Speaker 1: looking background. It's sort of cartoonish. Ryan, what on earth

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Speaker 1: is he doing? Well? Maggie Haberman made the connection here

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Speaker 1: for everybody. I don't know if you saw this. When

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Speaker 1: based if he had done this. He wanted to come

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Speaker 1: out of the hospital in his wheelchair and then kind

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Speaker 1: of have and have a Superman costume on underneath you,

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Speaker 1: showing that he was Superman, that he had beaten coronavirus.

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Speaker 1: I mean insensitive in thousands of different ways, representing the

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Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands people who had died by then, but

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Speaker 1: also would have been quite a spectacle. And he was

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Speaker 1: since then. Here we are, right, and there's two things. Also,

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Speaker 1: he wanted to do Willy Wonka, which is my favorite

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Speaker 1: reporting from Trump's surviving COVID was that he wanted to act,

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Speaker 1: actually pretend that he was sick and then roll in

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Speaker 1: be perfectly healthy and have the Superman shirt underneath. But

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Speaker 1: to your point, Ryan, there's a lot going on here,

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Speaker 1: so big. It is a big announcement. Trump describes NFTs

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Speaker 1: it's not an inaccurate way to describe n FTS altogether.

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Speaker 1: But Milania had previously done an NFT. I think she

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Speaker 1: ended up buying a lot of her own offering. It

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Speaker 1: I did not plan this at all. My monologue is

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Speaker 1: celebrity shilling for NFTs. So it's oh, your monologue today

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Speaker 1: on that. You wouldn't buy that. I wouldn't buy it.

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Speaker 1: But Ryan, the interesting thing here is this is not

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Speaker 1: going to his campaign. I was actually I was waiting

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of interesting questions about crypto and campaigns,

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Speaker 1: but it's actually just a personal money making venture. Yes,

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Speaker 1: let's cut the campaign out. Just give me the money

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Speaker 1: directly to me, because I am hopefully your favorite president.

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Speaker 1: So let's actually roll his his plea that you part

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Speaker 1: with ninety nine dollars for this once in a lifetime opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, this is Donald Trump, hopefully your favorite president

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Speaker 1: an important announcement to make. I'm doing my first official

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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump NFT collection right here and right now.

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Speaker 1: They're called Trump Digital Trading Cards. These cards feature some

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Speaker 1: Trump Digital cards just like a baseball card or other collectible.

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Speaker 1: Here's one of the best parts. Each card comes with

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Speaker 1: an automatic chance to win amazing prizes like dinner with me.

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Speaker 1: We're doing a lot. My official Trump digital trading cards

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Speaker 1: are ninety nine dollars, which doesn't sound like very much

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Speaker 1: All you need is an email address, go to collect

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Speaker 1: Trump Cards dot Com. I'm sold, right, giggling, Just get

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Speaker 1: maybe later. Ninety nine dollars. Ninety nine dollars. They are

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Speaker 1: very limited, Yes, very limited. My second, they sell every

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Speaker 1: How about that? The best part was the zoom call

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, right, And in the past when he has

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Speaker 1: made these offers, they have never panned out, you know,

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Speaker 1: like somebody will win, like the raffle to play golf

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Speaker 1: with Trump or go to this dinner with Trump, and

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Speaker 1: then and then journalists have found and be like, hey,

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Speaker 1: quote not owned, managed, or controlled by Donald J. Trump,

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Speaker 1: is a funny story, because to your point, Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: of everybody else. You'll you'll leave the sanctimonious in the dust. Instead,

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Speaker 1: the presidency in an era where Elen Musk now owns Twitter,

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Speaker 1: I do think the Musk owned Twitter gives a little

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Speaker 1: always shown that yes there was there was funding outside,

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Speaker 1: so okay like, and that's why this is this shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be seen as kind of anti Chinese propaganda, because this

430
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Speaker 1: was a team effort. This was the United States and

431
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 1: China team very much teaming up together to do this right,

432
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: and they completely sort of erased or muddy the waters

433
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Speaker 1: on that part of the story early in the early

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Speaker 1: days of the pandemic. That that's actually a pretty central

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Speaker 1: part of the narrative. And when I say it's okay

436
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Speaker 1: to make mistakes, I don't mean it's okay to make

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Speaker 1: mistakes that lead to the death of millions and millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of people, disrupt the entire world economy. That's

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Speaker 1: not what I mean. But I do mean that, dude,

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Speaker 1: if you did, if you signed off on this, you

441
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Speaker 1: signed off on it. That means your name's on it.

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Speaker 1: And even after Obama paused it right exactly exactly, So anyway,

443
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: we are paying for all of this, and we still

444
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,399
Speaker 1: have no idea and no access to what the truth is.

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Speaker 1: And that is infury. Now speaking of foreign affairs and

446
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 1: speaking of millions of people dying, speaking speaking of tragic

447
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Speaker 1: foreign affairs. Kind of a frightening some frightening images out

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Speaker 1: of Russia this week. Let's put up C one and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get to some video if you're watching. So

450
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Speaker 1: this is a newsweek headline that says Russia prime's nuclear

451
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Speaker 1: bomb twelve times more powerful than what was dropped in Hiroshima.

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Speaker 1: And indeed he was sort of putting there was footage

453
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Speaker 1: all of this stuff kind of flaunting an ICBM this week,

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Speaker 1: which is different, of course than tactical nukes, which has

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Speaker 1: sort of been the primary focus of a lot of

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Speaker 1: the conversations. It's just like, what the most likely scenario

457
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Speaker 1: is that tactical nukes start going back and forth, which

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Speaker 1: is not a good scenario. Icbm's even worse scenario. Of course,

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Speaker 1: as the headline indicates, Let's look at C two here,

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Speaker 1: because again, yeah, so Ryan, scary looking stuff, scary looking stuff.

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Speaker 1: What is your reaction? What we're seeing, if you're listening,

462
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Speaker 1: is some tanks rolling through the snow over in Russia.

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Speaker 1: What do you think, Ryan, what did you think when

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Speaker 1: you saw those the nuclear the kind of nuclear saber

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Speaker 1: rattling which isn't isn't much fun there. So in northwest

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Speaker 1: Washington where I live, there's this what everybody says is

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Speaker 1: a reservoir. Uh, and it's it's kind of this iconic

468
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Speaker 1: like mystery in Northwest DC. I like, what is behind

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Speaker 1: this like block long sized area of like behind the

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Speaker 1: barbed wire there, and there have been construction folks out there.

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Speaker 1: Everyone and everyone in the neighborhood is like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that those are anti aircraft missiles. Nice. I actually asked

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Speaker 1: some of the workers as I was going past, like

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Speaker 1: He's like, it's a it is a water reservoir. I'm

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Speaker 1: telling you it's a water reservoir. He was like, what

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Speaker 1: do you think it does anti aircraft missiles? He's like

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Speaker 1: everybody says that, like all the neighbors are going by.

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Speaker 1: It's funny. But we are here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: And you know, uh, the this the ice ICBMs. You know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how up to date they are. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure if they'd be able to actually get all

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Speaker 1: the way over here. Yeah, that's a big question. But

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Speaker 1: really this is you know, this is Putin's way of

484
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Speaker 1: just trying to remind the world that he still has

485
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Speaker 1: the ability to kind of wipe us all out and

486
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Speaker 1: that because things are still you know, still not going

487
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Speaker 1: well for him. You know, we're we're approaching January, and

488
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 1: his you know, his big play was, I'm going to

489
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Speaker 1: starve Europe. Basically, energy prices in Europe are going to

490
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Speaker 1: be through the roof. I'm going to knock out all

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Speaker 1: the power in Ukraine and produce you know, suffering of

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Speaker 1: a biblical scale. And you know, food prices are going

493
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Speaker 1: to be through the roof, and there will be so

494
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 1: much pressure on Ukraine to just end end this thing

495
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Speaker 1: that I'll be able to then walk away with a victory.

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Speaker 1: I think the slowing economy iron An economy that I

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Speaker 1: think that was partly slowed by the war itself, has

498
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: along with j Powell's kind of interest rate moves, has

499
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: knocked down oil prices to a place where that's not

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Speaker 1: really working out. That Europe part of the strategy is

501
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Speaker 1: not working out. He's definitely producing biblical levels of suffering

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Speaker 1: for Ukrainians, but it's not something that the world is

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Speaker 1: necessarily concerned about, Like they're sympathetic, but it's not the

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00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: kind of thing that's going to change anybody's strategy. That's

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Speaker 1: that's what's so brutal about being a kind of a

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Speaker 1: proxy state that you're going to suffer and you're going

507
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: to suffer endlessly. But what I think, what it shows

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00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: that Putin's plan is really not working, because we're almost

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Speaker 1: in January. That's what I was going to ask you,

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Speaker 1: is that how you interpret this as sort of a

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Speaker 1: defensive It does feel a little bit desperate. It's like, really,

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Speaker 1: you're going to nuke the world? Now, come on, no

513
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Speaker 1: you're not. So let's put UPC three because that plays

514
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: into this as well. Yeah, you can see there. This

515
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: is an exclusive from CNN and it was confirmed by

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Speaker 1: other reporters over the week US five realizing plans to

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Speaker 1: send Patriot missile defense system to Ukraine. Now, actually why

518
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Speaker 1: the segment is so interesting is because we're getting back

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Speaker 1: into the semantic battles about what constitutes a defensive military weapon.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, it's straight out of the Cold War again.

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Speaker 1: What what's defensive and what's not is Putin's ICBM A.

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Speaker 1: And when I said defensive, I meant desperate. Like you said, right, So,

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Speaker 1: Patriot missile what do you make of that move? Those

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Speaker 1: are pretty you know, iconically considered to be defensive. They

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Speaker 1: sit outside of cities or wherever else, and they became

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Speaker 1: famous during the uh during the First Golf War. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and so yeah, I don't think that that escalates things.

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Speaker 1: I think the the the vote this week in the Senate,

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Speaker 1: or the non vote in the Senate where Bernie Sanders

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Speaker 1: pulled his his Yemen resolution off the floor at the

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Speaker 1: at the last minute, had some interesting interplay with with

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Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine that that didn't get discussed much because

533
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: all of this is now becoming interlocked and nobody wants

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00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: to talk about it on the Senate floor talk about

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Speaker 1: it publicly. But Iran is a central figure here. You know.

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Speaker 1: Iran is kind of the is a is a backer

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Speaker 1: of the Huthis. And I want to say that Huthis

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00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: don't have their independent agency because they do like there

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Speaker 1: there have been instances where Iran has wanted them to

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Speaker 1: do X, Y or Z, and they have done different things. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the Houthis are also winning this war, or you might

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Speaker 1: even say they practically want it like it's it's over,

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Speaker 1: like they have they have, they have swept aside so

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Speaker 1: much of the Yue and Saudi and Saudi backed militias.

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Speaker 1: They're they're on the brink of basically taking over the

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Speaker 1: entire country. And you also have Iran supplying drones and

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00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: and and you know, actively supporting Russia growth, getting getting

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Speaker 1: closer to Russia. And so I think that one thing

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't want to say loud

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Speaker 1: is that there there are concerns like if if the

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Speaker 1: Huthis pushed that much further to Saudi Arabia and Russia

552
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Speaker 1: can convince Iran to convince the Houthis to take some

553
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Speaker 1: Saudi oil fields offline and send oil prices back to

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty two hundred dollars a barrel. All

555
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Speaker 1: of a sudden, now the Russian war effort is looking

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Speaker 1: much stronger. It's super interesting because also remember Russia was

557
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Speaker 1: negotiating the around nuclear deal agreements between the Biden administration

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Speaker 1: and Iran, so obviously this is all intertwined. And a

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Speaker 1: lot of China watchers, by the way, may not have

560
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Speaker 1: been super happy to see the Patriot missile go over

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Speaker 1: to Ukraine because they're very concerned about the depletion of

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Speaker 1: the United States Arsenal. If Xi Jinping were to move

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Speaker 1: quickly or faster than people expect on Taiwan. And so

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Speaker 1: this is an incredible I want to have Patriot missiles,

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Speaker 1: I have no idea probably incredibly tangled web. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would got to ship them. Now that's not like same

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Speaker 1: day delivery. Well that's the and that's the difference, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's the big different that people. I'm not saying you

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00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: should sip ship the butt. Yeah, but that's the big

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Speaker 1: difference people say. Listen, Taiwan is an island nation and

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Speaker 1: it's not like in Europe where we have all of

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Speaker 1: our allies and like with land borders. It's a completely

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Speaker 1: different type of situation. And so anyway, your point is

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Speaker 1: a really good one that this is the longer this

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Speaker 1: goes on, I think, the more heavily it's weighing in

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Speaker 1: on other conflicts. And how outrageous is it that we

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Speaker 1: spend nine hundred billion dollars a year and this week

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Speaker 1: we're going to pass probably the highest, the highest military

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Speaker 1: authorization in American history. It might crack nine hundred billion

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Speaker 1: dollars and we're running out of bullets already and missiles.

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Speaker 1: What do you get for nine hundred billion dollars? We

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Speaker 1: actually just sent newer Patriot missiles to Taiwan. Oh okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: just this is a December fifth report. The use so

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Speaker 1: few weapons. What a shame, I know, and it's like

585
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 1: not enough to go around, right the defense guys are

586
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 1: hurting so much right now. But yeah, this is the

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Speaker 1: US is propost selling Taiwan as many as one hundred

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Speaker 1: of its most advanced patriot air defense missiles, along with

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Speaker 1: radar and support equipment and a deal value at eight

590
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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty two million dollars according to a State

591
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Speaker 1: Department memo obtained by Bloomberg. Eight hundred and eighty two million.

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Speaker 1: And that's in another part of the world. I'd be

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00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: great for housing prices in northern Virginia. So when you

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00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: see exactly so, when you see people freaking out because

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00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: the potential speaker of the house is maybe not a

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Speaker 1: blank check to Ukraine, which is a consensus position, should

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Speaker 1: be a consensus position in a normal world, you know why.

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Speaker 1: So speaking of intelligence operations, it can't get their act together.

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Speaker 1: There's new reporting and we put up e one here,

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Speaker 1: new reporting that shows that the Department of Homeland Security

601
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Speaker 1: had people raising the alarm of heading into the January

602
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Speaker 1: sixth protest turned riot turned sacking of the Capitol that

603
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: hey guys, this is going to turn bloody. Now there

604
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: are I think there are a couple, and we could

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00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: put that tear sheet up here. I think there are

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Speaker 1: a couple different ways to look at this. One is

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00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: that this analyst was was dead on, and good for

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Speaker 1: them for doing the the googling that led to this. Secondly, though,

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Speaker 1: why did they why did they need this analyst to

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Speaker 1: do this, and what is it about the bureaucray that

611
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,959
Speaker 1: they couldn't see it. Everybody knew January sixth was going

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Speaker 1: to get violent, it was, or that it had serious potential. Yes,

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Speaker 1: it was being organized out in the open on Facebook

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Speaker 1: and parlor and Twitter and like all sorts of other

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Speaker 1: forums that are not at all secret or require passwords

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Speaker 1: to get into. Anybody who was remotely paying attention knew

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Speaker 1: that it was going to be a big day. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And let's not even forget the fact that we now

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Speaker 1: know they had people that were in the inner circles

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Speaker 1: of the oath Keepers. Point of that five they have

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Speaker 1: five sources inside the Proud Boys, and like eight in

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Speaker 1: said the oath Keepers. So I don't have the exact

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Speaker 1: numbers off the top of my head, but at the

624
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Speaker 1: oath Keepers we covered the trial last week, they were

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Speaker 1: super close to Stuart Roads. They were like the FBI.

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Speaker 1: The FBI source was like one of the top people

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Speaker 1: in the oath Keepers. So let's not be ridiculous and

628
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Speaker 1: say they didn't have any idea what was going to happen,

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Speaker 1: whether or not this person had went on what Yahoo's

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Speaker 1: excellent report describes as a literal fishing expedition because he

631
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Speaker 1: was actually looking for fishing holes in DC and he

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Speaker 1: actually ended up finding this blueprint of a plot to

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Speaker 1: storm the capital. That's from Yahoo and quote execute members

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Speaker 1: of Congress and law enforcement officers to prevent the certification

635
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Speaker 1: of electoral votes to make Joe Biden the next president. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is insane, and Yahoo says it turns into a

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Speaker 1: quote failed sixteen day effort to sound the alarm and

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Speaker 1: push the various parts of the DHS intelligence apparatus into action.

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Speaker 1: The office created in the wake of nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: to share intelligence more broadly and prevent another catastrophic attack,

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Speaker 1: failed to share its intelligence ahead of the January sixth

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Speaker 1: US Capital riot. It had the intelligence. DHS has the intelligence,

643
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: The FBI has the intelligence because they have human sources

644
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: in the inner circle of the oathkeepers, by the way,

645
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: one of which had a heart attack before on the

646
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: plane on his way to testify in the trial. It's

647
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: just it makes me sick to my stomach to think about.

648
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: I watched the documentary from Nancy Pelosi's Daughter that aired

649
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: on HBO this week, and there's some new footage of

650
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Speaker 1: whatever you think of Nancy Pelosi, there's some new January

651
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: six footage of House leadership or Senate leadership. Yeah, she's

652
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: with them, her cameras rolling the entire time, and you're

653
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: seeing sort of from the Speaker's office. That was a

654
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 1: really good advantage point at what was happening outside. I

655
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,919
Speaker 1: was much better than what I could see on the day.

656
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: And it was like when you're looking at that footage,

657
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: when you're looking at the build up to it, all

658
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: of the clips of the stupid stuff Trump was saying

659
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Speaker 1: in the months before it happened. It's just remarkable to

660
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: know that we had sources, intelligence sources in these groups,

661
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 1: and this DHS intelligence person is screaming and saying, look,

662
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: we have it right here, we have it right here.

663
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: And in the lead up to nine to eleven, so

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Speaker 1: DHS was created out of nine to eleven because they

665
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: had failed to share information and act on tips and

666
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: information that they had obtained. But one of the problems

667
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: that they identified was an obvious one that a bunch

668
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: of these analysts didn't speak Arabic and and didn't also

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Speaker 1: understand the idioms, didn't know the different forums that they

670
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 1: were supposed to be monitoring. This thing was planned on

671
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: social media in English, like you didn't. You didn't need

672
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: a whole lot of expertise. That's why this twenty one

673
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: year old kid and we knew exactly by the way,

674
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 1: we knew who was doing it, Like the groups were

675
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: not a mystery, whereas it's a needle in a haystack.

676
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: Also nine to eleven, a couple of the things that

677
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 1: they cite in the article are tweets from at real

678
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. Yeah, like those were not secret. There's secret communicates,

679
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: And it does show the way that that Trump's tweets

680
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,400
Speaker 1: then lead to like this explosion of organizing activity December nineteenth.

681
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 1: I think he's like, you know, this thing was rigged.

682
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: Everybody come to DC and then it was the next

683
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: day that the analyst is like looking for the fishing

684
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: hole and stumbles on what witnessed upwards of five hundred

685
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: pages worth of potential threats to national security, including people

686
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: urging others and discussing how to smuggle illegal weapons into

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00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: the nation's capital and avoid detection by law enforcement. The

688
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 1: DHS analysts also saw a discussion of references of overthrowing

689
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Speaker 1: the US government by force, sparking a second civil war,

690
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: and veiled credible threats of violence toward other US persons

691
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 1: perceived as any, specifically members of Congress and other federal employees. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean I saw that stuff. I'm not a DHS analyst. Everybody,

693
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 1: like everybody, everybody saw that stuff. Well, again, like they're

694
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: seeing posts of people saying we're going to bring hooks

695
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: and ropes for taking down fencing. And again I'm like

696
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: pretty much of the of the opinion that this wasn't

697
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 1: a finely tuned plan that was just set into motion.

698
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: You know, someone gives the signal and you know to

699
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Speaker 1: do a B and C. It was just that people

700
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: were saying, I'm willing to die for this. That's what

701
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,240
Speaker 1: some of these DHS people. This is what the DHS

702
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: person is finding in some of these posts, people saying

703
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: I've done my last will and testament. I'm willing to

704
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: die for this country. We may have to storm the Capitol,

705
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. And then when you get there

706
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: and you can just walk in because the police are like,

707
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: they did horrible things to get past the police. They

708
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: shoved them to the ground. But if that was all

709
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: it took for the mob to overwhelm the police that

710
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: are guarding the capital of the United States, they've completely

711
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: spiraled out of control. It is entirely their fault, But

712
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: there is no excuse for the force the affility of

713
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: the law enforcement on that day. And I think the

714
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,399
Speaker 1: really important context here is this is all coming out

715
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: as the January sixth Committee. Leaks are coming from the

716
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: January sixth Committee saying the report is going to be

717
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: too focused on Trump and not focused enough on the

718
00:38:55,320 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 1: law enforcement angle that was gathered by the January sixth comis. So,

719
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: the January sixth Committee for a while now months has

720
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: had people doing research on the law enforcement failures, and

721
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: they are upset. They're leaking to the media because they're

722
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: so upset that those aren't going to be included in

723
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: the final report that is delivered before the end of

724
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 1: the year, around the end of the year when the

725
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: committee is formally dissolved. So what is the what are

726
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: Democrats on the J six committee, what is Liz Cheney

727
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: on the J six committee not wanting to say about

728
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: the law enforcement failures? Because this is a stunning report.

729
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: My assumption is always first to look at bureaucratic incompetency, Yes,

730
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: of course, but if somebody, but if I'm talking to

731
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: somebody who's skeptical of that and says he, you're to

732
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: your question, why didn't they Why didn't they look into this? Well,

733
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, they are covering the butts of the of

734
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 1: their kind of like allies and the deep state would

735
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: be one explanation, But you couple why didn't they look

736
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: into that with the the kind of argument that you

737
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 1: hear from the skeptics, which which is they were actually

738
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: okay with this because it presented them with the rationale.

739
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: So then bring the iron fist and crack down on

740
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: this thing that was getting out of control. And the

741
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: level and the depth of the incompetence, I mean, it

742
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: makes it so hard to counter that with no, it

743
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,439
Speaker 1: was probably incompetence. You're like, really, it's that bad. They're

744
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: really that bad, and it's like, well, we're you around

745
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: for nine eleven, Like it's billions of dollars just getting

746
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: flushed down the toilet every day. People to just push

747
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,959
Speaker 1: papers around and not actually doing it. Like they point

748
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: out that it took a week. So he identifies all

749
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: or she, the analyst identifies all these things. Analysts is

750
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,799
Speaker 1: not named for safety concerns for the DHS, right, so

751
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 1: they identify all of these things. They're like, hey, let's

752
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 1: do something about this. And he said, well, we need

753
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: official googlers to find this stuff. There's a whole there's

754
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: a whole open source investigative team. Open source means stuff

755
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 1: you can find on Google. And so they're put in

756
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: an urgent request on that. The analyst follows up every

757
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: single day. Took a week to get that research going

758
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: because they had just implemented a new system. They're all,

759
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: you know, they're always implementing new systems. And so she

760
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: she he or she didn't file ther TPS report the

761
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: right way, and so a week later, uh, there, finally

762
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: then they start their googling and they just still never

763
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: sent their Google search results onto the Capitol Police. But

764
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: you know, come on, Capitol Police, like they're they're around

765
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: the capitol every day. The crowds were building throughout the week.

766
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: It was it was in your face. You didn't need

767
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: to like even have a parlor account to know, well,

768
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: at the very least to know that this is like

769
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: a recipe for potential disaster just and so just put

770
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Speaker 1: a bunch of people around the capitol and it's not

771
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 1: and they're not going to get in. Like, I think

772
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 1: you're right that there was and there's been no proof

773
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: presented in the oath keepers plans that that they had

774
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,720
Speaker 1: a methodical plan of breaking into the capitol. It seemed

775
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: more if if if they did order it, they had

776
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: they will and they had and it was an opportunistic

777
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 1: moments that are a bunch of calls between Roads and

778
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: some other deputies where and then right after those calls

779
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: are made they searched the capitol. But they only do

780
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: that in an opportunistic way because they're like, oh wait,

781
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: all they have is some bike racks up. Well yeah,

782
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like having been there, what

783
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: clearly was happening is people realized they could get past

784
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 1: the police, and they were shocked to realize they could

785
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: get into the capitol. People who were breaking into the

786
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: capitol were like, is this really happening? Like, am I

787
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: really just getting past the police here? And they were

788
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: beating them and doing abhorrent things to do it, but

789
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: they were surprised that they it was that easy, as

790
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: easy as it was, And I just the more that

791
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: we get these reports out, the more that it's like,

792
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: first of all, that could have been that day could

793
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: have been. There was a lot of loss of life

794
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: that stemmed from that day. One person was killed in

795
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: the riot, but my god, that day could have been

796
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: even worse. And all of our money is going to

797
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,360
Speaker 1: these layers of incompetence, the DHS, the FBI, both of

798
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: which we know knew they had more information that there

799
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: should have been a bigger security presence. Just completely discussing

800
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 1: all the way around. Indeed, let's move on to I

801
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: think we skipped ahead a little bit to we skip Keystone,

802
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: which are going backwards. Yeah that we're going we're going

803
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 1: briefly backwards. But if you're falling along on the ESPN screen,

804
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 1: which I think was actually an ingenious idea from Crystal,

805
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: but we skip from best ideas are stolen. So the

806
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Keystone XL spill this week. Ryan, this is way more

807
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: of a subject up your ally than mine. Tell me

808
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: why I should be concerned about the oil spill this week? Well,

809
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: for one, and maybe do we have the first element

810
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 1: on this block, like we're seeing you know, you might

811
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: not care care about the like environmental catastrophe that it's

812
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 1: being on spooled across the expanding region here oil prices

813
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: are going to go up to yeah, as you know

814
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: potentially as a result of this, or it's putting pressure

815
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: on oil prices. I think that might be the next element.

816
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: So that's a really good point because this is a

817
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: particularly leaky pipeline. And right, and so the Keystone, this

818
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: is the original Keystone pipeline. They've been trying to build

819
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: a second Keystone pipeline so they can expand the amount

820
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: of Tar Sands oil that they're able to pump through.

821
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Speaker 1: And I think what a lot of people might not

822
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,720
Speaker 1: appreciate is, actually, this is something I learned in covering

823
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: the Keystone xl One, how energy intensive it is to

824
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: pump Tar Sands oil through that you would think, like

825
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 1: you see a picture of the pipeline, it's running north

826
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: to south just like a river does. It doesn't take

827
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: energy to move a river oils Liquhere you're like, oh,

828
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: well that you know, the energy intensivity is in extracting

829
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Speaker 1: it and then later at the end point refining it. No. There,

830
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Speaker 1: it is extraordinarily energy intensive to pump this oil through

831
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Speaker 1: the pipeline because it's this disgusting glop. It's not it's dense.

832
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: It's so dense, so you have to constantly be pushing it.

833
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 1: And because you're because you're using power to push it,

834
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: that's that's going to create vulnerabilities all across the pipeline

835
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: if something goes wrong at firsts this is a fourteen

836
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 1: thousand barrel spill, and and because you're pushing it then

837
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: now now you're pushing it out, and so you know,

838
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: to me, it makes it makes just one more case

839
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: that you know, we are you know, we're all we're

840
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: about to hit a record when it comes to domestic

841
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 1: oil production. I think Trump's It's surged under Obama, it

842
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: peaked under Trump, came back down recently, but now it's

843
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 1: you know, back up, and it might eclipse Trump's record

844
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: pretty soon, which will be awkward all around because Democrats

845
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: will not a lot of democrats won't want to celebrate that.

846
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,640
Speaker 1: A lot of Republicans won't want to acknowledge it. Be

847
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: weird to see how how it plays out if Biden

848
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: like braags about it at the State of the Union

849
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 1: or something. Who cheers for that? I mean so, but

850
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: it shows like long term, is this the system that

851
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: we want? And so. And secondly, Keystone XL is supposed

852
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:10,320
Speaker 1: to go over in aqua for that is that produces

853
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: fresh water potentially to your parents. Yeah, this is a

854
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: this is a This is about two hundred miles rural Kansas. Again,

855
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: let's the environmental implications of the consequences of that are obvious.

856
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: So fourteen thousand barrels, so it's about six hundred thousand gallons.

857
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: This all was transpiring on Wednesday, and if you're watching,

858
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: you can see that on the screen. Northeastern Kansas this month.

859
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: Look at that. And so again that's when you compare

860
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: that with the eighty nine Exon spill two hundred and

861
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: sixty that would be two hundred and sixty thousand barrels.

862
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: Deepwater horizon was five million, So this is fourteen thousand minor.

863
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: But Keystone, you would know this better than I do.

864
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: And I was being fastceious. When I introduced the segment

865
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: and said, tell me why I should care about it,

866
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: I will say that this pipeline is a very big

867
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: part of the American economy. It's not like just one

868
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: little pipeline out there. It actually plays a huge role

869
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: in the American There's a lot of jobs involved, there's

870
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of money involved. There's just a lot going

871
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 1: on when it comes to Keystone Excel. But this, the

872
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: pipeline has had a decent amount of problems over the

873
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: course of its lifespan. Yeah, and I know you're being facetious,

874
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:21,959
Speaker 1: but a lot a lot of people are earnest in this, Like, yeah,

875
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 1: it's to them, it's just it's part of doing business.

876
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, this is just just how we got

877
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: to deal with it. But I think it is that.

878
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: But it's so I don't disagree that it is part

879
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: of doing it. Like this is not the system to

880
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: do different kinds of business exactly right, So, like this

881
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: is not the system I think anybody wants. Long term,

882
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: the oil and gas industry is going to make as

883
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,440
Speaker 1: much money as humanly possible as they can from it.

884
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 1: They have started investing a little bit in green technologies,

885
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 1: because even they know that's where the future is. But

886
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: we have to until we get to that point where

887
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: we can use renewables and we can use I mean,

888
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: there was the big fission announcement this week, until we

889
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: get to a point were we are stuck with this

890
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: and so it can't just be that we put up

891
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: a leaky pipeline. And they're like, it's a cost of

892
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: doing business. If you're going to have the technology, do

893
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: it in a way that's respectful and do it in

894
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: a way that's healthy and is not going to cost

895
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 1: after getting I don't know how many subsidies Keystone Excel

896
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 1: has gotten, but to your point, it's going to raise

897
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 1: prices because it's fourteen thousand barrels right right, and then uh,

898
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: you know, and then throwing throwing up all sorts of

899
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 1: dust in front of people who are like, look, this

900
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: is this is dangerous stuff. Maybe we shouldn't Maybe it

901
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: shouldn't go over the Mississippi here, maybe it shouldn't go

902
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: over this this aqua. For like, there are I think,

903
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: you know, real objections from conservations, from environmental groups that

904
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: that kind of get dismissed as you know, just strictly

905
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: hostile to all fossil fuel development. But you know, when

906
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: when the likelihood of a spill is as high as

907
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,360
Speaker 1: it is over time to put a pipeline like this

908
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: through it through an aqua for like they're trying to

909
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 1: do with Keystone x well, to me, it is just

910
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: kind of antisocial, like socially suicidal when you know that

911
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: there's very good chance that you're going to spoil that

912
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: and we need to By the way, this is another

913
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: thing when you're talking about the potential benefits of something

914
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: like Keystone Xcel. Right now, it's a moment where we've

915
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: shown what we need is some measure of independence. And

916
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, you can say that's on a spectrum, right,

917
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 1: but it should be at a point where you can

918
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: turn this spigot on in the United States of America

919
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,720
Speaker 1: at any given moment and the country is not being

920
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: absolutely killed by Opaker, absolutely killed by what's happening in

921
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: Russia and Ukraine. And I think a lot of people

922
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 1: on the right, myself included, think there's more room to

923
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: produce it, to be producing oil and gas energy in

924
00:49:44,719 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: the United States right now. But if this is who's

925
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: doing it, yeah, you have problems because again, then you're

926
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:55,399
Speaker 1: going you're funneling subsidies into companies that are not being

927
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: the best stewards of them possible, and that is not

928
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,160
Speaker 1: overall going to end well. Yeah, and it does point

929
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: to one upside of renewables, which is that if you

930
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: have some type of catastrophe with solar panels or a

931
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: windmill or even a geothermal or a large geothermal plant,

932
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 1: it's it's narrow small, like you're gonna you know, you

933
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 1: might get get a fire on somebody's roof and somebody

934
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: could die. Tragic. But the like BP level oil spill,

935
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 1: Exon level oil spill, Keystone level oil spill just isn't

936
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: possible given given the scale of things. And yeah, like

937
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,759
Speaker 1: you said, like they also need technology that's able to

938
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 1: They have the technology that's able to shut these off,

939
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, very shortly after a spill. But guess what

940
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 1: it costs money to do that? And reminds me of

941
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:46,839
Speaker 1: was it was it outside of San Diego a little

942
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 1: while ago, where like a boat crashed into a pipeline

943
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,879
Speaker 1: boom because they didn't have the technology to shut it down.

944
00:50:53,920 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: It was just blasted oil into the ocean. Right, should

945
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: we do January sixth against now make this one seem Yeah,

946
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,720
Speaker 1: they'll just compete to see which one could be darker.

947
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: There you go. I guess we can jump over it too. Well, yeah,

948
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: now we're leap frogging. In January sixth, again, we're back

949
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: here Ryan to talk about what's on your mind this week,

950
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: what your counterpoint is, counter this week my counterpoint. So

951
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: I'm going to talk talk about the Press Act. So

952
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 1: in September, the House of Representatives did a few things

953
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: all at once that were extremely unusual. They passed a

954
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 1: piece of legislation unanimously and also stood up for the

955
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: right of a free press against intrusions by the federal government. Now, normally,

956
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 1: if the House passes something unanimously, it's a resolution celebrating

957
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 1: Santa Claus or the naming of a post office somewhere.

958
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 1: But this bill has actual teeth, and it has real

959
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: support in the Senate and could genuinely become law if

960
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: Schumer moves it to the floor in the next couple

961
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,879
Speaker 1: of weeks or puts it into the omnibus package that's

962
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: being debated now. So it's called the Press Act, and

963
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: it's sponsored by Maryland Democrat Jamie Raskin. In it a

964
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: effect actively blocks the federal government from using subpoenas or

965
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: jail or the threat of jail to coerce reporters to

966
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: turn over sources. And it blocks tech companies from sharing

967
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: sensitive information from journalists phones and other devices with the

968
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 1: federal government. It also has one of these clever acronyms,

969
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: which in this case stands for the Protect Reporters from

970
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: Exploitative State Spying Act. So one of the key questions

971
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: that always confronts any type of shield law that is

972
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: intended to protect journalists runs into the question of who

973
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: counts as a journalist. We certainly do not want the

974
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: federal government licensing reporters or keeping lists of who's a

975
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: real journalist and who's not. That's the opposite of a

976
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: free press. That's a government regulated press. And this bill

977
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: does a great job of giving an expansive definition, calling

978
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: a cover journalist quote a person who regularly gathers, prepares, collects, photographs, records,

979
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 1: writes edits reports, investigates, or publishes news or information that

980
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: concerns local, national, or international events, or other matters of

981
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: public interest for dissemination to the public. Note that professional

982
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: is not in there. The second problem that always gets

983
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 1: in the way of bills like this is fear mongering

984
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,800
Speaker 1: about a terrorist with a ticking time bomb somewhere, or

985
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,040
Speaker 1: it's a scenario that has basically never occurred in the

986
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: real world. But Raskin was smart to write an exception

987
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 1: directly into the law that deals with that fantastical scenario.

988
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: So it makes an exception of quote disclosure of the

989
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: protected information is necessary to prevent or to identify any

990
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: perpetrator of an active terrorism against the United States, or

991
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 1: disclosure of the protected information is necessary to prevent a

992
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: threat of imminent violence, significant bodily harm, or death unquote.

993
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: So the final important question is what information is protected,

994
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: and the bill offers a sweeping and impressive definition here

995
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,680
Speaker 1: they say, quote, the term protected information means any information

996
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: identifying a source who provided information as part of engaging

997
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:53,239
Speaker 1: in journalism, and any records, content of a communication, documents,

998
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: or information that a covered journalists obtained or created as

999
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: part of engaging in journalism. That's pretty good. Previous press

1000
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: shield laws have included huge gaping loopholes around national security

1001
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: written into law at the behest of the national security establishment,

1002
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,760
Speaker 1: which end up gutting the law. My colleague James risen

1003
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: Back when he was at The New York Times, was

1004
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:16,400
Speaker 1: in a long running legal battle with the Bush administration

1005
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: and then the Obama administration, in which they repeatedly threatened

1006
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: him with jail time for not revealing sources. He refused

1007
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: and they eventually backed off. But if this bill were

1008
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,880
Speaker 1: passed into law, prosecutors would not have been able to

1009
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: have come after Rising because there was no imminent threat

1010
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: of anything, just vaguely worded assertions about national security that

1011
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: shouldn't be taken seriously coming from a government that lies

1012
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: regularly about such threats. So the bill put similarly strict

1013
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,359
Speaker 1: obstacles in front of prosecutors who were looking to go

1014
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 1: straight to Google or Apple. Now, another good element of

1015
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 1: this law is that it would block the government from

1016
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: secretly colluding with big tech to surveil journalists. Before a

1017
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: tech company could turn anything over, they'd have to let

1018
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,400
Speaker 1: the journalists know about the subpoena and give them a

1019
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: chance to respond in court. The bill also narrows what

1020
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: can be requested by subpoena down to information you need

1021
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 1: to confirm what was reported is true. In other words,

1022
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 1: if a journalist exposes a crime with his or her reporting,

1023
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 1: that's often not enough for a prosecutor because a news

1024
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: article is technically hearsay. Back when I was at the

1025
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,239
Speaker 1: Washington City Paper, for instance, I exposed a slumlord who

1026
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: appeared to be breaking all sorts of laws, and DC

1027
00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: prosecutors came after him. They subpoened me, but through the

1028
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: City paper's lawyer, we refuse to testify about any sources

1029
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: involved in reporting. The prosecutors agreed to drop the subpoena

1030
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,319
Speaker 1: if I would testify under oath that the article I

1031
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: wrote was true and accurate, and I was more than

1032
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: happy to do that. So if journalism does expose criminal

1033
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 1: behavior like that, there are circumstances where it's okay to

1034
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,879
Speaker 1: confirm that what you reported is in fact true. Now,

1035
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:50,759
Speaker 1: this bill limits what can be obtained quote to the

1036
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,319
Speaker 1: purpose of verifying published information unquote. As long as that

1037
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: doesn't compel a journalist to reveal sources, as the rest

1038
00:55:57,200 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 1: of the bill says, then that part seems okay. On Wednesday,

1039
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,680
Speaker 1: Democrats tried to move the bill through the Senate by

1040
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 1: unanimous consent had been done in the House, but it

1041
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 1: was blocked by Republican Senator Tom Cotton, who made this

1042
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: incredible argument on the Senate Floor Senator from Marcza reserving

1043
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: the right to object, and I will I want to

1044
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 1: make a few brief remarks here about why I objected

1045
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,840
Speaker 1: the passage of this bill, the so called Press Act,

1046
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: which would open a floodgate of leaks damaging to law

1047
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 1: enforcement in our nation's security. The press unfortunately has a

1048
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: long and sordid history of publishing sensitive information from inside

1049
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: the government that damages our national security. During the Vietnam War,

1050
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 1: the New York Times published the Pentagon Papers in an

1051
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: effort to demoralize the American people and turn them against

1052
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: the war effort. During the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan,

1053
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 1: the press utanely revealed details about America's efforts to hunt

1054
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 1: down terrorists, details that helped our enemies cover their tracks

1055
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: and evade justice. These leaks were reckless and harmful to

1056
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: our national security. Yet the Press Act would immunize journalists

1057
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: and leakers alike from scrutiny and consequences for their actions.

1058
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: This bill would prohibit the government from compelling any individual

1059
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: who calls himself a journalist from disclosing the source or

1060
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: substance of such damaging leaks. This effectively would grant journalists

1061
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 1: special legal privileges to disclose sensitive information that no other

1062
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: citizen and enjoys. It would treat the press as a

1063
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 1: special caste of crusaders for truth who are somehow set

1064
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: apart from their fellow citizens. But that's not how the

1065
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,439
Speaker 1: law historically has treated journalists. Our laws have always made

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Speaker 1: clear that journalists can be held criminally liable for what

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Speaker 1: they publish. So he goes on and on, and we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about that in a minute. But the bill still

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Speaker 1: actually has as a shot of going through as it

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Speaker 1: might get included in an end of your omnibus bill

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Speaker 1: that's now being written by both parties. Cotton went on

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Speaker 1: to say that he also objected the bill because, quote,

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Speaker 1: if recent history has taught us anything, is that too

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Speaker 1: many journalists these days are little more than left wing

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Speaker 1: activists who are at best ambivalent about America. Unquote. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's interesting about Tom Cotton is that you might remember,

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Speaker 1: so what point are you are you on today? All right? Well,

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Speaker 1: speaking of Donald Trump and NFTs. Actually Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with this, but it's all about NFT.

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Speaker 1: It's an interesting class action lawsuit was filed on December eighth,

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Speaker 1: targeting celebrities who promoted those famous boored Ape Yacht Club

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Speaker 1: and fts. The suit alleges the existence of a convoluted

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Speaker 1: network of conflicted entra interests in Hollywood and tech scheming

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Speaker 1: for the sake of self enrichment. Now in untangling who

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00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: invested in what and then who was invested in that

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Speaker 1: is no easy. But we needn't even litigate the defendant's

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00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: legal guilt to peel back the curtain on their moral

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Speaker 1: guilt and to see the rot in our corporate media

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Speaker 1: as well. The La Times broke the suit down like

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Speaker 1: this quote. Yuga Labs, the blockchain startup behind board Ape

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Speaker 1: Yacht Club, Hollywood agent Guy Osiri and Moonpey Usa, a

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Speaker 1: company controlled by Osiri, were accused in the proposed class

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Speaker 1: action lawsuit of leveraging their network of a list musicians,

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Speaker 1: athletes and celebrities to misleadingly promote and sell Yuga financial products.

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Speaker 1: All right, remember this gloriously awkward segment on The Tonight

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Speaker 1: Show from last January. Last time we were on the show,

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Speaker 1: I asked you to explain NFTs and you did so

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Speaker 1: in a great way, which is a very hard thing

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Speaker 1: to really explain to a lot of people. But since then,

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Speaker 1: Forbes has named you one of the fifty top fifty

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Speaker 1: most influential people in the NFT space. So congrats on that.

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Speaker 1: You know what you're doing. Thank you. I'm so proud.

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Speaker 1: I love being part of this community and being a

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Speaker 1: voice and sharing my platform and just getting the word

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Speaker 1: out there because I think it's just such an incredible

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Speaker 1: thing to be a part of. Yeah, I got I

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01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 1: jumped in. I know, I heard. I'm so happy. I

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Speaker 1: taught you what they were you did, you taught me

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Speaker 1: what's up? And then I bought an ape. I got

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Speaker 1: an ape too, because I saw you on the show

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Speaker 1: with people and you said you got on Moon pay.

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Speaker 1: So I went and I copied you and did the

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Speaker 1: same thing you did. Mm hmm. This is your this

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Speaker 1: is your ap. It's really cool, like the ha, the

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01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:27,800
Speaker 1: shade and what all right. Well, it's not illegal or

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Speaker 1: even unethical to make America cringe, but even by today's

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Speaker 1: late night comedy standards, that segment is painful, like the

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Speaker 1: pair is stretching to make their investments seem relevant enough

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Speaker 1: to warrant the poorly disguised promotion. At the time, NBC

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Speaker 1: defended Fallon by saying, quote hosts are able to promote

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Speaker 1: outside projects such as books and movies, despite company policy

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: also stating that employees must quote just close and obtain

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Speaker 1: approval for all outside work, financial interests, and other personal

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Speaker 1: activities relationships that may create or appear to create a conflict.

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Speaker 1: The exposure for board Apes functioned clearly as a free

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Speaker 1: commercial for the product, with two fawning celebrity endorsements to

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 1: boot quoting an SEC statement on the problems with celebrities

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Speaker 1: financial promotions. The lawsuit brought on behalf of investors in

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Speaker 1: this case says its case against board Apes quote epitomizes

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Speaker 1: these concerns as it involves a vast scheme between a

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Speaker 1: blockchain startup company, a highly connected Hollywood talent agent, and

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Speaker 1: a front operation who all united for the purpose of

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Speaker 1: promoting and selling a suite of digital assets. It's really convoluted.

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Speaker 1: But did you notice Paris Hilton, an NFT influencer who's

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Speaker 1: also a defendant in the class action suit, mentioned moonpay.

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Speaker 1: She said it in the clip That is the alleged

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Speaker 1: front operation named in the lawsuit. According to the suit,

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Speaker 1: Hilton and a host of other celebrities who promoted board

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01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 1: apes and Moonpey were actually invested in Moonpay and failed

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Speaker 1: to disclose it. Moonpay has been described as like the

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Speaker 1: PayPal of Crypto. It turns out and stay with me

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Speaker 1: here that Yoga Labs, the creator of board Ape, had

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Speaker 1: been signed to the management company of Hollywood operator Guy O'siri,

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Speaker 1: best known as Madonna's manager. But he's also a super

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Speaker 1: well connected VC rock star. As Fox Business once described him,

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Speaker 1: Hilton had invested in Osiri's social media company and Fallen

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01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: was friendly with him. O'siri was invested in Moonpey. This

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Speaker 1: is all written and produced to look organic on TV

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01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:27,520
Speaker 1: and social media, but of course it is a high

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Speaker 1: value promotion for a particular product. Later, Moonpey would announce

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Speaker 1: that talent agency CAA, which represents Fallen in many of

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Speaker 1: the celebrities named in the suit, was an investor. Osiri

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 1: signed Yuga in October, just two months before the Fallon segment.

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Speaker 1: In November, Fallon announced his purchase of an ape. The

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Speaker 1: lawsuit tracked payments from Moonpay to the walds of celebrities

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Speaker 1: like Postlon, alleging the influencers were privately being paid by

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Speaker 1: Yuga to talk about the apes by Moonpay given Osiri's

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Speaker 1: connections to both I do not know if that's true.

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Speaker 1: These claims are opportunistic and parasitic, Ego Labs told The

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Speaker 1: La Times, referring to the lawsuit. They continued, we strongly

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Speaker 1: believe that they are without merit and look forward to

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01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: proving as much. Scooter Braun and Justin Bieber implicated as

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Speaker 1: ore Gwyneth Paltrow, Madonna, Serena Williams, Diplow, and many others.

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Speaker 1: Josh Kushner is an investor in Moonpey. It is just

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Speaker 1: a crazy web of wealth and influence intentionally and explicitly

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01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 1: leveraged to use celebrities platforms to boost businesses from which

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Speaker 1: they would all benefit. This is actually fine when it's

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Speaker 1: done honestly, so that investors aren't being lured with less

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Speaker 1: than accurate narratives of organic enthusiasm. I actually think a

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Speaker 1: lot of celebrities and wealthy investors have jumped onto the

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Speaker 1: NFT bandwagon, specifically because people explain it to them in

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Speaker 1: a way that sounds inspiring, like the next frontier and

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Speaker 1: one that will make the world a better, fairer, more

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Speaker 1: creative place. I'm sure some of them are genuinely excited

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Speaker 1: about NFTs for both the money and the potential revolutionary

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01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 1: changes people tease them with. But that doesn't excuse the

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Speaker 1: misleading theatrics. So yes, obviously, Hilton and Fallon used the

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Speaker 1: Tonight Show and NBC let them, and celebrities used their

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Speaker 1: social media in a way that was likely to boost

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Speaker 1: their investments. It's not entirely dissimilar from what people do

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Speaker 1: with their personal books. The Tonight Show segment, though, is

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Speaker 1: also just an unusually clear glimpse at how networks of

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Speaker 1: well connected, wealthy celebrities and businesses bend the media to

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Speaker 1: their will. BuzzFeed and other outlets did some good coverage

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Speaker 1: of this at the time, but all of the celebrities

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Speaker 1: who spent the last year or two shilling Crypto should

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01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:43,640
Speaker 1: have been hammered by journalists during every single interview about

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Speaker 1: their involvement in the industry. Any interview they did period,

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Speaker 1: they should have been hammered on this. Every friendly interview

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Speaker 1: given to Jimmy Fallon and let's say the FTX front

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01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,920
Speaker 1: people like Matt Damon in the last year should be

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Speaker 1: looked back on skeptically. NFT sales were declining month to

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Speaker 1: month for most of the year. Board apes are still

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Speaker 1: being sold, but their value took a big hit. This

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Speaker 1: doesn't just happen with faulty products either. We know what

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Speaker 1: happened with sexual abuse before the Me Too movement, when

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Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein leveraged just connections at NBC to shut down

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Speaker 1: Rowan and Farrell's reporting. That's obviously on a much more

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Speaker 1: serious level. But it happens with celebrities vapid politics too,

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Speaker 1: which entertainment media collaps along with like trained seals, that

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Speaker 1: just allows celebrities to lie and mislead their way into

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Speaker 1: endorsements and into bigger bank accounts. It is just a

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Speaker 1: ridiculous grift, and it's one of the reasons why Hollywood

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: is less entertaining than ever, frankly, because it's basically just

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Speaker 1: a front for investment schemes that rich celebrities can take

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Speaker 1: risks on more easily. So we've got a little surprise

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Speaker 1: bonus segment that's not down in the ESPN row that's right.

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Speaker 1: Can we do this now or shall we kill the

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Speaker 1: show and then do it right after? What do you

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Speaker 1: guys think? I say we do it live? All right,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do it live. Control room has told us,

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna do it live, to do it live.

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Speaker 1: And I love that we get to do this because

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Speaker 1: it's I actually love that we get to talk about

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Speaker 1: this with you, Ryan, because you're you're pretty deep into

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Speaker 1: the weeds on the JFK files. Well, when I was

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Speaker 1: in I think fifth grade or something, I did my

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Speaker 1: first ever report on on like who killed Kennedy? And

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Speaker 1: I remember my teacher being like, you know, after reading

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Speaker 1: your report, maybe maybe it was a conspiracy. So what

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Speaker 1: the hell's wrong with this kid? It's such a watershed

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Speaker 1: moment in American history. And forget, for put what put

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Speaker 1: who did it, the conspiracy, how it happened. Put all

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Speaker 1: that aside. The key fact is that every president, including

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Speaker 1: Johnson after Kennedy, believed that it was at least possible

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Speaker 1: that it was the that it was his own government.

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Speaker 1: It was just that it was, to say, the CIA

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Speaker 1: that carried this out. So whether or not that actually

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Speaker 1: is true, and it'd be nice to be alive if

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Speaker 1: we ever learn definitively what happened. But whether or not

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Speaker 1: we ever learned, just the fact that every president since

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Speaker 1: then and every government since then has wondered whether it's true,

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Speaker 1: it kind of changes the relationship between the people, the

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Speaker 1: president they elect, and the bureaucracy that grew up after

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Speaker 1: World War Two and out of World War Two, the

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Speaker 1: OSS and Allen Dallas specifically growing growing out of World

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Speaker 1: War Two and expanding into into the CIA. Well, the

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Speaker 1: first thing Ryan did when these documents are released was

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Speaker 1: actually the key secyword search for Allen Dallas. So again,

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Speaker 1: what happened on Thursday is an unseiling by the National

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Speaker 1: Archive of thousands of classified documents that are related to

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Speaker 1: the Kennedy assassination. And we're going to be piecing through

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Speaker 1: these over the course of several days. I think Crystal

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Speaker 1: is prepping something already for Monday, because there's just again

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Speaker 1: we said thousand, So you can do your keyword searches.

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Speaker 1: You can see what's in there for Allen Dulles. But

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Speaker 1: whether we learn anything significant from this, and then even

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01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: if it's not significant, if it reinforces theories, brings forth

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:14,440
Speaker 1: new theories that can't be done in a few hours.

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Speaker 1: It's a long process, but Ryan, you do have some

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Speaker 1: initial reactions to what you've been able to sift through. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and just for people's background, So about twelve thousand documents,

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Speaker 1: so I think we're released by the National Archives earlier today,

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Speaker 1: they're withholding an extraordinary number of documents until I think

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Speaker 1: they're saying June they're gonna it will be the next

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Speaker 1: possibility that they'll release more, but you know, they may

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Speaker 1: they may end up holding them again. Do we have

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Speaker 1: any elements prepared for this or not? I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's we haven't gotten them quickly. So if you can

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Speaker 1: go to actually just archives doc gov and find them

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Speaker 1: and you can search around and there. Alan Dawes turned

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Speaker 1: up actually two things, but the second one was interesting,

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Speaker 1: Do I let me see if I have it handy.

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Speaker 1: It was about it was basically about the Bay of Pigs,

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Speaker 1: which where it was a memo. It's just fun to

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Speaker 1: know that Bay of Pigs stuff is in the JFK files. Well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was my thought when you were tweeting about the

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Speaker 1: cubist stuff. I was like, oh, really, it's kind of

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Speaker 1: a goofy memo that he sends out and so here

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Speaker 1: it is subject JM commendations and JAMTE is the code

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Speaker 1: word that they used for Bay of Pigs after their

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Speaker 1: original code word got busted. And knowing knowing that this

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Speaker 1: is the Bay of Pigs, it's funny to read it.

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Speaker 1: I know that, I know that Project Jmate brought together

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Speaker 1: many excellent, loyal and devoted employees who believe strongly in

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Speaker 1: the mission and responded by contributing substantially more in spite

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Speaker 1: of disappointments and personal inconveniences than an employee would in

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01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: a normal assignment. This kind of performance is a real

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Speaker 1: credit to the individual and to our organization. Two those

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Speaker 1: mentioned on the attached list are credited with this kind

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01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: of performance over a sustained period of time and with

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01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 1: confident display of leadership and knowledge in their field, given

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Speaker 1: liberally in the interest of the objective recognition of this

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Speaker 1: creditable performance should be brought to their attention, and a

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Speaker 1: copy of this memoranda memorandum recorded in their personnel files.

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Speaker 1: Now go do Watergate and then yes, and then a

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Speaker 1: list of about a dozen peoples and probably some interesting names,

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Speaker 1: so you'd have to cross reference. The real JFK Head

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Speaker 1: is gonna have to cross reference some of these names.

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Speaker 1: William Young and Charles Yasu are both kind of circled here.

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Speaker 1: But I do I do love the UH the CIA

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01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: giving themselves an a for effort on the Bay of Pigs.

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Speaker 1: You know, didn't didn't turn out precisely how we wanted.

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Speaker 1: It was imperfect, but you know, not everything is perfect.

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the timing here? Uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: they keep punting it and then and then they dribble

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Speaker 1: outcriminal and uh, you know, we're fifty years past, and

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Speaker 1: so they're running up against the running out of excuses

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Speaker 1: because most most everybody, uh not every but he is

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Speaker 1: completely dead. But the threat, like the risks to national

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,519
Speaker 1: security are being are harder and harder to kind of

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Speaker 1: maintain plausibly. So the other, the other one, the other

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Speaker 1: interesting one I found so one of one of Oswalt's

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Speaker 1: uh some people call him his best friend or whatever.

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Speaker 1: This guy is fascinating, dude. George h de moorn Shildt,

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Speaker 1: who was interviewed by the Warren Commission I gave like

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Speaker 1: the longest interview in the Warren Commission. What we know

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Speaker 1: about him are a bunch of different things. One that

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Speaker 1: he was a CIA informant. You're like, wait a minute,

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Speaker 1: right there, Wait a minute, Oswald's best friend and Dallas

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01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 1: was a was a CIA informant. We also know that

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Speaker 1: he he did hadn't seen him since what we totally

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Speaker 1: he hadn't seen Oswald since April of the year that

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Speaker 1: he assassinated me, assassinated Kennedy in UH in November UH.

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Speaker 1: He then traveled to like Washington and New York and

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Speaker 1: other places, and then he winds up in Haiti, and

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: he's in Haiti at the time of the assassination. But

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Speaker 1: there's any There's an interesting note here from a DoD

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Speaker 1: security Basically it says it may or may not be

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Speaker 1: of interest that on twenty nine April nineteen sixty three,

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Speaker 1: the Office of Security provided Bill Bean DoD a copy

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Speaker 1: of a nineteen fifty eight summary of the case of

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Speaker 1: George de Moorenschildt. Gail Allen, then a DoD case officer

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Speaker 1: had requested an expedited check on de moorn Schildt quote

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Speaker 1: exact reason unknown unquote. Apparently Alan's initial request was initiated

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Speaker 1: through anrepreneur DoD on twenty six April nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 1: So this raises an interesting question of why somebody in

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Speaker 1: DoD like Washington area is all of a sudden in

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Speaker 1: April nineteen sixty three as he leaves investigating demorn Schildt.

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Speaker 1: But this is the level of kind of details that

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Speaker 1: these documents get in fifty years later because people have

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Speaker 1: have pieced together in you know, books and investigations, so

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Speaker 1: many different elements of it that you're that you're looking for,

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: you know, extra things that are gonna going to connect

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Speaker 1: the dots. And so the question would be okay, So

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Speaker 1: we know that he's a CIA informant. We know that

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Speaker 1: he traveled up north after uh, you know, after being

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Speaker 1: with Oz. We know he was with Oswald down in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: So who did he meet with in New York? What

1340
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Speaker 1: was he doing in d C? Or was or is this?

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Speaker 1: Is this why he was there? So apparently Alan's initial

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Speaker 1: request was an issue. We say that demorn Shildt was

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Speaker 1: a close associate of THEE. Harvey Oswald and Dallas, Texas.

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Speaker 1: Information is minimal. Concerning this association with De moorn Shildt

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Speaker 1: is mentioned extensively on the Warren Commission hearings, and his

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Speaker 1: testimony and the testimony of his wife encompasses one of

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Speaker 1: the longer testimonies in the hearings. The testimonies reveal that

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Speaker 1: that de Moorn Schiltz did not associate with the Harvey

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Speaker 1: Oswald after nineteen April nineteen sixty three, when they left

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Speaker 1: Dallas for a trip to New York, Philadelphia, and Washington,

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Speaker 1: d C. Returning to Dallas for two days near the

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Speaker 1: end of May nineteen sixty three, and then traveling to Haiti,

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Speaker 1: where they were located at the time of President Kenny's

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Speaker 1: asassination in November nineteen sixty three. There was no information

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Speaker 1: in the testimonies as to what the de Morrenschilds were

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Speaker 1: doing or with whom they had contact during the period

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Speaker 1: nineteen April to late May nineteen sixty three. It is

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Speaker 1: interesting that Allan's interest in Moornschild coincided with the trip,

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Speaker 1: so you know that's from this DoD Intel kind of

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Speaker 1: assessment there. So that's the kind of thing that you'll

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Speaker 1: find if you spend your weekend sifting through the new

1362
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Speaker 1: National Archives JFK Dump. I think both of us will

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Speaker 1: probably be doing that. There you go, So you know

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Speaker 1: you'll can follow along, certainly with Ryan on Twitter if

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01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 1: you find any good tag Crystal, yeah, because she's doing

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Speaker 1: something on it Monday. She would. I'm sure appreciate the help.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Tag me too, because I want to see it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, maybe we'll just be like a

1369
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:02,479
Speaker 1: team effort us the Breaking Place community we're all coming together. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's only twelve thousand files. We can get through that,

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Speaker 1: only twelve thousand, and they're Biden ordered the review of

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Speaker 1: them to see what can go out, what's classified, what's

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Speaker 1: what's classified that can be declassified. Of the six sixteen thousand,

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Speaker 1: he released those fifteen hundred last December. So this is

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Speaker 1: just for JFK folks. This is a big day. And

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Speaker 1: I'll reminded one more time the greatest failure of Roger

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Speaker 1: Stone's life was not getting his good friend who was

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Speaker 1: the President of the United States to release all of

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Speaker 1: the documents. Yeah, that's one hundred percent. Roger Stone had

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Speaker 1: one job. But to the point you started off with,

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Speaker 1: that's what's been remarkable about these files. It's just that

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Speaker 1: everybody wants. Every president who says they're going to do

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01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 1: more in that space ends up not like no, what actually,

1384
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 1: but what are they going to do? To Biden? You

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01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 1: don't have much time left? Right? Oh my god? Right,

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Speaker 1: the old guy, he's older, that's right, Yeah, actuarily is

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Speaker 1: what I mean? Yes, yes, actually yeah, from his so

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Speaker 1: he's got no fear, Yeah, no fear, except he held

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Speaker 1: a lot of documents back, so he's got some f there,

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Speaker 1: you go. Well, we'll be back here next week for sure,

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Speaker 1: and we know it's getting close to the holiday, so

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody is enjoying their time with friends and family.

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:15,080
Speaker 1: But like I said, we'll be right back here last

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01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 1: week to break down the news because Congress is still

1395
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:20,479
Speaker 1: has lots of work cut out we do, we'll be

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Speaker 1: here to break it all down. Nine hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 1: to authorize. That's right. Well, on that note, as of

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Speaker 1: the nine hundred billion dollars is being authorized, I hope

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Speaker 1: you guys all have a great weekend and we'll see

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Speaker 1: you back there then