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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Welcome to the program. Got breaking news here.

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Speaker 1: The Anthony Davis situation with the Lakers is being finalized

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Speaker 1: five year, one hundred ninety million dollar max contract to

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Speaker 1: stay with the LA Lakers. This a day after Lebron

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Speaker 1: James signed a two year extension. He's locked in at

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Speaker 1: around forty one million dollars. But now this will preclude

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Speaker 1: the Lakers from bringing in the Greek Freak. I think

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Speaker 1: that there was the possibility they had that door open

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Speaker 1: that maybe depending on what Lebron was going to sign for,

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Speaker 1: Anthony Davis was going to sign for, maybe the Greek

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Speaker 1: Freak would be available for the Lakers. But that's not happening.

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Speaker 1: Not happening with these two contracts here with Lebron James,

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Speaker 1: and I think there was a curiosity, does Lebron take

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Speaker 1: less because he wants to be able to add more

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Speaker 1: players to the roster, make sure that an advanced age

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Speaker 1: of thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, he's still able

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Speaker 1: to be a big contributor, but have some younger legs there.

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Speaker 1: That's not the case. Although I look at Lebron as

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Speaker 1: a bargain if you said, I can have Lebron at

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Speaker 1: forty one million dollars, and I look around and see

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Speaker 1: some of these other players who actually make more than

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Speaker 1: he does. Lebron is the most valuable player in the league,

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Speaker 1: and to be able to have him, get Anthony Davis there,

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Speaker 1: they got a little bit younger. I think they got

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Speaker 1: better in the off season. This was a great offseason

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Speaker 1: for the Lakers. You got Lebron signed up now for

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Speaker 1: this year and two more years after that. Anthony Davis

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Speaker 1: finalizing his five year contract. Rich Paul, his agent, said

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Speaker 1: the deal includes an early termination option prior to the

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Speaker 1: fifth season. The deal could be signed as soon as today.

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Speaker 1: play of the day, Interesting stat of the day coming

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Speaker 1: at dp show. Hope you enjoyed Wednesday Afternoon football, Steelers

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Speaker 1: and Ravens shockingly played a close game. But I gave

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Speaker 1: you the stat yesterday of the last twenty seven meetings,

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Speaker 1: twenty of the twenty seven have been decided by seven

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Speaker 1: points or less. And when I see my boy Trace

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Speaker 1: McSorley coming in late in the game, and I go,

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Speaker 1: if he leads them to a touchdown, Baltimore is going

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Speaker 1: to cover in this game. And Trace didn't distinguish himself

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Speaker 1: too well in the first series. Got lucky and Hollywood

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Speaker 1: Brown took it to the house, and there you have it.

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Speaker 1: The Pittsburgh Steelers survived. They stay undefeated. Now, this was

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Speaker 1: just an odd game because you had several Pro Bowl players,

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Speaker 1: including the starting backfield. With Baltimore out of the game,

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Speaker 1: You're on the road against the Steelers in one of

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Speaker 1: the better defense is, if not the best defense in football.

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Speaker 1: It was inconsistent play on both both sides, which is

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Speaker 1: if I'm the Steelers and Mike Tomlin, I'm not thrilled

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Speaker 1: about because I can look at Baltimore as a makeshift

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Speaker 1: lineup offensively and defensively. But that told me a whole

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Speaker 1: lot more about the Ravens than it did the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I didn't come away going the Steelers could go toe

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Speaker 1: to toe with Kansas City. Doesn't mean that they can't

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Speaker 1: if they get to that point in the playoffs. But

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Speaker 1: what I saw yesterday made me a little bit nervous.

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Speaker 1: Running game is not great, at times nonexistent, and I

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Speaker 1: don't want Ben throwing the ball fifty times. The defense,

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Speaker 1: they lost Bud Dupree with an ACL. He's done for

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Speaker 1: the year. Huge, huge loss. Ravens didn't get much going

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Speaker 1: on offense, got that big touchdown late. But you know,

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture here is the NFL is just trying

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Speaker 1: to muscle forward. This game was a big obstacle. It

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Speaker 1: was supposed to be played Thanksgiving night, and then we

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Speaker 1: were going to have a Sunday or a Monday or Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: Now it's Wednesday afternoon. I don't know if the league

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Speaker 1: compare cares how competitive these games are. I know, you know,

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Speaker 1: the commissioners said that they want them to be competitive,

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Speaker 1: and you know they're taking all the safety precautions, factoring

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Speaker 1: those in. I understand them, But I don't know if

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Speaker 1: the NFL gets this lucky the next time the priorities

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Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, no matter how they have to

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Speaker 1: do it. Here is the commissioner of the NFL, courtesy

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Speaker 1: of NBC Sports, talking about why Baltimore was cleared to

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Speaker 1: play in this game. In the Baltimore case, we were

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Speaker 1: concerned with the containment. We saw a number of positives

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Speaker 1: over the last ten days. Our health and safety people

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Speaker 1: and our medical experts, led by doctor Sales, did a

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Speaker 1: wonderful job of tracing the virus and making sure that

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Speaker 1: we understood where it was generated from how it was spreading.

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Speaker 1: And I think, you know, by having the delays of

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Speaker 1: continuing to spread, and that we were in the last

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Speaker 1: stage of that and comfortable that the game could be

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Speaker 1: played safely tonight. All right, whatever, blah blah blah blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. They're just doing their best to get

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Speaker 1: to the postseason. It's basically what that is. Here's Ben Roethlisberger,

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Speaker 1: the Steelers quarterback, after the win. That didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: a win. We just weren't good good enough at all

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Speaker 1: the day. I mean, obviously we won, but I'm sure

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Speaker 1: it doesn't feel like it just just just not good football.

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Speaker 1: It starts with me. You know, it's this is a

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Speaker 1: mental game, and this has been a very mentally challenging

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Speaker 1: and draining week. You know, at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: we need to step on the football field and play

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Speaker 1: good football. At his time, Yeah, it didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: a win, and it shouldn't feel like a win. But

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Speaker 1: give credit to the Ravens because somehow, some way they

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Speaker 1: stayed close with them and made this certainly interesting a

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Speaker 1: lot more uncomfortable than we thought with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 1: say good morning to the dan Z. McLevin, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: to the big trade between the Rockets and the Wizards.

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Speaker 1: Will give you my thoughts on that Michigan Maryland has

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Speaker 1: been canceled. Ohio State Michigan State is still on the docket,

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Speaker 1: and we don't know what will happen next week when

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Speaker 1: Ohio State is scheduled to play Michigan. All right, mcleven,

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Speaker 1: what do you have for me today? Let's start with

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Speaker 1: should they have played that game yesterday? No, they shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have because I don't think it was. It wasn't fair

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Speaker 1: to have for the competitive balance, that's all, you know.

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Speaker 1: I know that RG three said, oh, you know everything

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Speaker 1: that we went through, and you know the NFL made

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Speaker 1: it tough for us, No, Baltimore made it tough for

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Speaker 1: Baltimore here. You know that that made it difficult, far

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Speaker 1: more difficult for RG three to get ready for the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: I understand that, but you want the best product out there,

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Speaker 1: and could you have moved this to a week eighteen?

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Speaker 1: You can. I just think once you open the door,

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Speaker 1: you can't close it. But as far as a competitive game,

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Speaker 1: it turned out to be a competitive game accidentally. But

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Speaker 1: given everything, I like, you had guys who they're testing

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Speaker 1: prior to the game. You had guys who didn't fly in.

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Speaker 1: We can't fly in. There's snow there, like, you got

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Speaker 1: how many players on offense Pro Bowl players who weren't there.

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Speaker 1: That's what made me nervous, and it felt like if

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Speaker 1: you didn't cancel that game, you're not going to cancel

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Speaker 1: any game. Yeah, seton, But part of me wants us

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Speaker 1: just to be treated like an injury, like if your

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Speaker 1: that affects the competitive balance of the game. It's just

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Speaker 1: kind of crappy luck. And if your team, you know,

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Speaker 1: isn't following protocols and there's a huge COVID outbreak, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of your fault and like tough, Sorry you got

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Speaker 1: to play with all your third stringers, but we didn't know.

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Speaker 1: This is so random that you didn't know the day

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Speaker 1: four hours later. That to me is way too fragile,

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Speaker 1: way too tenuous to go. I mean, imagine if you

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Speaker 1: had guys who tested positive for the Ravens prior to

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Speaker 1: the game and then couldn't play, and then you've already

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Speaker 1: got a makeshift lineup, and then another makeshift lineup after

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Speaker 1: that makeshift lineup was not able to perform. It just

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Speaker 1: felt like this is the one that I probably would

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Speaker 1: have said, no, we're not going to play this game.

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Speaker 1: It's not fair because now you're altering the schedule for

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Speaker 1: the following week, and that's where you're impacting other teams.

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Speaker 1: And if you do that, then I have a problem

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Speaker 1: with that. Yes, I'm probably on an island with it.

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Speaker 1: But if you can't feel the team, then you forfeit. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't get your guys out there, then why should

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Speaker 1: you throw off every other team in the league. When

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Speaker 1: you guys can't get it together, then forfeit the game.

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Speaker 1: But I understand what happened with the Broncos. If all

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Speaker 1: then that's on the Broncos. This just felt like it

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Speaker 1: was spreading. We didn't know how quickly it was spreading.

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Speaker 1: We didn't know how many players were going to be

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Speaker 1: able to play, the fact that they didn't fly they

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Speaker 1: It just felt like this was just slapped together. And

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Speaker 1: it goes back to what I've said, all they want

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Speaker 1: to do, all these commissioners want to do is just

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Speaker 1: get me to the postseason. Just get me to the postseason,

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Speaker 1: because I can take away half the field where I

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Speaker 1: don't have to worry about all these other teams. Now

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Speaker 1: here on a week to week basis. Yeah, Polly, do

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Speaker 1: you think it's because also the NFL knows we can't

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Speaker 1: cancel games because we have no real plan that's fair

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Speaker 1: to cancel games, because if they canceled the games, in theory,

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Speaker 1: it would be because of the Ravens. So you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: want to take a win away from the Steelers. But

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Speaker 1: if you make it a forfeit by the Ravens, the

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Speaker 1: Ravens technically should not get paid for that game, and

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Speaker 1: the players union wouldn't accept that. So you cannot satisfy

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Speaker 1: both sides. Well, even if you say, all right, you

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Speaker 1: still get paid, you know, if that takes away the

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Speaker 1: big hurdle, the big obstacle that okay, you're still going

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Speaker 1: to get paid, but we can't play this game. But

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Speaker 1: then you have to go sort of case by case

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Speaker 1: and say who's it fault here? Strength and conditioning coach

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Speaker 1: and then everybody who came in contact with him. You know, Denver,

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Speaker 1: all of our quarterbacks are together in one room. We

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Speaker 1: don't have a quarterback now, Okay, I put that on

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Speaker 1: the Broncos for their stupidity, because teams have talked there

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Speaker 1: are teams who don't have all their quarterbacks who go

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Speaker 1: in the quarterback room just because there's something like this. Yeah, mcclub,

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Speaker 1: I have a problem though. The rules have changed throughout

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Speaker 1: to product. I mean, as a Steelers reporter said, yes,

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Speaker 1: Orry bended the same thing. The Broncos quarterbacks said he

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Speaker 1: was at a room without a mask and put COVID

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Speaker 1: like they're thirty two teams with violations here, so I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I understand the rules are stricter now, but

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Speaker 1: the season and penalize those teams? Yeah, well you can't

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Speaker 1: NFL Live at four Eastern. Also contributes to some other

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Speaker 1: programs on the Mothership, including Get Up Sports Center, First

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Speaker 1: Taken More. I always learned something when we have him

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Speaker 1: on and Dan joins us on the program. Dan good Morning,

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Speaker 1: explain that logic to me that the Niners can't play

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Speaker 1: at home, but they're going to play in Arizona where

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Speaker 1: the COVID situation as far as testing is higher twice

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Speaker 1: as high as it is in Santa Clair and be

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Speaker 1: talking about football often. So my brain cells can't figure

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Speaker 1: that out. But I know they found a way to

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Speaker 1: make their games happen, which is the most important thing

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Speaker 1: to the NFL, and hopefully everyone stays safe. But that's

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Speaker 1: above my pay grade. But it feels like this is

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Speaker 1: whatever it takes to get to the postseason. We saw

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Speaker 1: this with the NBA in the bubble, the NHL and

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Speaker 1: the bubble. We saw this with Major League Baseball. Does

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Speaker 1: the NFL have blinders on that it's just whatever it takes.

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Speaker 1: We're playing these games, even if it's not a true

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Speaker 1: representation of the teams that we expect to be on

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Speaker 1: the field. Yeah, I think a little bit. I think

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Speaker 1: that the reality is this Actually got into a friend

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Speaker 1: she asked me, do you think the season's going to

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Speaker 1: be viewed the same or watered down? I said, no,

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Speaker 1: I think I think because there's a lot of challenges

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Speaker 1: tied to it, that it'll still be weighed equally, if

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Speaker 1: not greater because of those challenges, I said, I do

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Speaker 1: think that this week needs to be a huge learning

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Speaker 1: example for the NFL, because, you know, the Ravens have

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Speaker 1: to play their game because of their COVID outbreak. They

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Speaker 1: got a thousand starters out, but a lot of like

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Speaker 1: you know, their quarterbacks out, which is obviously huge deal.

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Speaker 1: And it may not be that big a deal because

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Speaker 1: it's the regular season and there's sixteen games and it's

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Speaker 1: not a los and go home sudden death environment. But

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Speaker 1: what would happen if it was the first or second

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Speaker 1: round of the playoffs and it's Patrick Mahomes or it's

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers and those guys can't play in that game

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Speaker 1: because of contact tracing or something that's a huge problem

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Speaker 1: for the NFL, and it is sudden death, winner, go

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Speaker 1: home type of thing. And so I get it that

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Speaker 1: they want to get to the playoffs, but they need

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Speaker 1: to learn from this past week because that would be unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: I was watching the game yesterday and I thought, Who's

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Speaker 1: going to lose this game? It wasn't who's going to

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Speaker 1: win this game? But I got the feeling that the

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Speaker 1: Steelers were playing down to and I give the Ravens credit,

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Speaker 1: but it did I learn more from the Ravens. Should

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Speaker 1: I have learned more about the Ravens or the Steelers yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I think yesterday's game is a really difficult game just

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Speaker 1: to judge the Steelers off of haven't had lot of structure,

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Speaker 1: They've missed practices, they played once, they didn't know when

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Speaker 1: their game was gonna happen. So I think it is

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Speaker 1: a tough game to judge them off of how good

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Speaker 1: of a football team they are. The Steelers are a

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Speaker 1: really good football team. We know what their flaws. They're

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Speaker 1: not explosive on offense. It's gonna be hard to win

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Speaker 1: a Super Bowl without being explosive in twenty twenty, But

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Speaker 1: they are super clutch. I mean, they got guys that

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Speaker 1: are clutched. They're gonna be in every fourth quarter game.

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Speaker 1: And they've got guys in Big Ben and really Juju

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Speaker 1: who are clutch players. I think we learned a little

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Speaker 1: bit about the Ravens defensively. I agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: thought the Ravens actually lost that game. I was texting

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Speaker 1: our NFL Live crew and I said, if I was

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Speaker 1: the Ravens, I would not throw more than three passes

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Speaker 1: in the second half. And there was a drive of

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Speaker 1: Theirs in the back end of the third quarter and

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Speaker 1: it got the second and eight at like the forty

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Speaker 1: and twenty. I would have just run the ball, just

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Speaker 1: continue to run the football, because you weren't going to

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Speaker 1: win that game throwing it. Yeah, you were going to

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Speaker 1: lose the game throwing it. And I think we learned

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Speaker 1: a little bit about the Ravens, more more so than

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Speaker 1: what the Ravens showed me as something maybe you build

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Speaker 1: off of, and Chris Collins were talked about that that

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe when they look back on this and

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Speaker 1: had on who said it seems like Lamar Jackson's taken

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Like, has he taken a step back or

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Speaker 1: the defense is sort of stepped up a little bit

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Speaker 1: more here. I think the defenses that stepped up a

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Speaker 1: little bit more. You know, Dan when he was drafted,

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Speaker 1: when he was coming out, I really said two things

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Speaker 1: be a really good player if he used the right way,

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Speaker 1: and they had used him the right way up until

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Speaker 1: this point. But I also said this, when you take

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Speaker 1: with everything. You have to go all in with scheme,

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Speaker 1: and you have to go all in with the people

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Speaker 1: around that scheme. It can't be a traditional NFL offensive roster.

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Speaker 1: You have to have very specific offensive linemen that are

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Speaker 1: to have very specific receivers and so to make it work,

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Speaker 1: they went all in, and when one of those pieces

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Speaker 1: traditional NFL offensive personnel wise, because you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: backs that fix your fit your offense, or offensive lineman

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Speaker 1: or white receivers because they don't have to be so

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Speaker 1: specific to the scheme. With the Ravens, they have to,

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Speaker 1: and when one gets picked off, it's a bigger crack

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Speaker 1: than a normal crack. And I think if you look

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Speaker 1: offensive line is different and it's harder to find those

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Speaker 1: people to replace those different offensive linemen. The same with

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Speaker 1: the tight ends. So it's the perfect storm of like

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Speaker 1: the injuries have been impactful, defenses have caught up. You're

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Speaker 1: more predictable because your playbook is smaller when you go

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Speaker 1: all in in that offense. And I think Lamar is

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Speaker 1: I don't look at it as Lamar has taken this

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Speaker 1: created against defenses last year isn't as confusing. He's Dan

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Speaker 1: Orlovsky ESPN NFL Live analyst. If I said, you can

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Speaker 1: have the Chiefs of the field to win the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: Chiefs in a runaway, no one's beating them. Here, here's

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Speaker 1: I wrote this down this morning. This is how the

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Speaker 1: I want to find my notes. Okay, the Chiefs to

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Speaker 1: not win the Super Bowl that you have to hope

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Speaker 1: that they play their C game, which they haven't really

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Speaker 1: this year. You have to hold the ball as long

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Speaker 1: as you pause sibly can. I don't care how you

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Speaker 1: hold it. You have to hold it. If it's your

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Speaker 1: run game, great, if it's your perimeter screen game, it's

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Speaker 1: the quick game. In the pass game, that's fine. You

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Speaker 1: have to force threes and not sevens on defense at

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Speaker 1: least three times. You've got to make them kick a

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Speaker 1: field goal and not a touchdown. You have to make

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Speaker 1: them drive the field. You've got to stop the explosive

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Speaker 1: pass game. You know, so many coordinators go, we've got

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Speaker 1: to stop the run game. No, you have to stop

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Speaker 1: the explosive pass game. Make Mahomes play boring football. You've

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Speaker 1: got to be able to have a quarterback that can

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Speaker 1: create special plays as much as Mahomes does. He's got

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Speaker 1: to match the I went above the XS and o's

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Speaker 1: plays as much as Mahomes does so and then in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter you got to make more big plays.

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Speaker 1: People think it's the Tennessee Titans that can beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 1: If you told me they had Taylor Lawan, I'd be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more on board with that. I think

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Speaker 1: the team that can do it is the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 1: I think the Bills can go punch for punch with

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Speaker 1: them offense. I think their quarterback can make some like

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Speaker 1: weird plays that go above XS and o's and they

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Speaker 1: could be explosive offensively. But Kansas City was lucky to

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Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl last year. Dan, I go back

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Speaker 1: to the knee injury with Patrick Mahomes. Then you get

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Speaker 1: of those games. But nothing is different. Like I that's fair,

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Speaker 1: But if they go down fourteen, I still would unequivocally

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Speaker 1: believe in them, Like I just the their quarterback does

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Speaker 1: so much stuff with his physical talent and then his

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Speaker 1: brain like it's he sees things so fast. Because if

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Speaker 1: they go down fourteen, They're still gonna have fifty plus snaps.

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Speaker 1: That's why I like the holding the football is such

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Speaker 1: a big deal. And yes, they probably could have and

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Speaker 1: arguably should have lost the Super Bowl, but that was

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Speaker 1: a ridiculously good defense in San Francisco. Another team that

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Speaker 1: I would give you that I would the Colts have

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Speaker 1: a chance because they're cut the same way as as

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Speaker 1: San Francisco was last year. Um, I just I look

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Speaker 1: at that offense and I go, there's no flaw. Kelsey's

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Speaker 1: the best player in football that's not a quarterback. M

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Speaker 1: And wait, wait do you think Kelsey is He's the

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Speaker 1: best player who's not a quarterback? Yeah? Well he does

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Speaker 1: what over Aaron Donald? I mean, for me, yes, because

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Speaker 1: they stuff just because he brings so much offense to

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Speaker 1: their offense before the ball ever gets snapped. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the the amount of times they place him in specific

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Speaker 1: positions to get the coverage. It's like it's such an

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Speaker 1: advantage because it doesn't just affect the outcome of the

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Speaker 1: play after the snap, Like he will go out there

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Speaker 1: and they'll put a corner out there and the Mahomes

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Speaker 1: knows it's gonna be zone, and then he'll go to

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Speaker 1: two high safeties. There comes run game, and for me,

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Speaker 1: like that six yard run is huge because now there's

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Speaker 1: nothing new as a defense can do, Like I can

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Speaker 1: literally go to the line of scrimmage and get into

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Speaker 1: whatever play I want. As great as Aaron is, he's remarkable,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't create defense before the snap as much

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Speaker 1: as Kelsey creates offensive. But could you do you think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna look at Kelsey as being the greatest tight

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Speaker 1: end of all time when it's all said and done. Um,

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Speaker 1: I mean there's if they go on the dynasty run

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Speaker 1: like I expect them too over the next five years. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's on a historic season run this year.

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Speaker 1: The greatest tight end of all time. Yes, Gronk's the

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Speaker 1: greatest tight end of all time. And Gronk is the

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Speaker 1: first guy that did this stuff. Yeah, Like Gronk is

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Speaker 1: the first guy that did all this for Brady and um,

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Speaker 1: you know, I know he was probably more impactful in

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Speaker 1: the run game. I'm not a person who looks at

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Speaker 1: that stuff. At the end of the day, does my

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Speaker 1: offense score a lot of point and does this guy

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Speaker 1: help us do it? You know? And so that's why

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Speaker 1: I think Kelsey's got a chance to do that. You

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Speaker 1: mentioned on the air that they hear the Saints who

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Speaker 1: haven't been fully assembled, Michael Thomas, Drew Brees, they played

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Speaker 1: two games together at defense is great? Are the Saints

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Speaker 1: the team to beat in the NFC? They are? You know?

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Speaker 1: And I was. I was hard headed on this for

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Speaker 1: about five weeks, six weeks of this season because I

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Speaker 1: still go, how are they going to be explosive on offense?

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Speaker 1: I don't think you can win a Super Bowl without

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Speaker 1: being explosive on offense right now. I just don't, because

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get twenty eight points at least

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Speaker 1: maybe in marks on Kansas City, right yeah. And I

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Speaker 1: just I go, can you screen pass in efficient, passing

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Speaker 1: your way down the field that consistently and create those

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Speaker 1: chunk plays to win a bunch of games, especially when

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Speaker 1: you need to in the playoffs right now? And I

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Speaker 1: struggle with buying into that. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: the difference the defense right now and to where it was,

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Speaker 1: you know, mid October so to speak, and certainly in September,

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Speaker 1: was like they're not giving up the what are you

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Speaker 1: guys doing bone headed, blown coverage plays. They've rectified a

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Speaker 1: lot of that. I think that the edition of Kuan

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Speaker 1: Alexander was huge for their linebacker corps and coverage, so

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Speaker 1: that's been really good. They're playing much better on defense.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that they're sitting at nine and two

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Speaker 1: and haven't had those guys just tells you two things.

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Speaker 1: The depth of their football team is real, and that

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Speaker 1: they're as well coached as anyone in football. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Sean is as good as anyone in football. We can

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Speaker 1: put Sean with Bill Belichick's staff, we can put Sean

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Speaker 1: with Andy Reid's staff, we can put Sean with mcvay's staff.

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Speaker 1: And two things that get separated or who separate you

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Speaker 1: in the playoffs outside of having a stupid quarterback, is

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Speaker 1: you gotta have depth, and you gotta be well coached.

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Speaker 1: And the Saints are right there. Always great to talk

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Speaker 1: to you, Dan, We appreciate your time, Thanks for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thanks you guys at stan Orlmsky ESPN NFL Analysts. You

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Speaker 1: can catch him weekdays on ESPN NFL Live at four Eastern,

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Speaker 1: also on Get Up and Sports Center First Take. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure

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Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock Act. Tim McMahon

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Speaker 1: does this for a living. He's the ESPN NBA reporter.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with give it a winner and a

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Speaker 1: loser here, Tim, who got the better end of this deal?

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's be realistic. This is a mutual sellow

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Speaker 1: trade of max salaries. John Wall hasn't played in two years.

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Speaker 1: The reports coming out of his workouts the pickup games

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Speaker 1: he's played is that he looks good, but two years off.

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Speaker 1: It's coming back from a torn achilles with three years

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Speaker 1: left of a max salary. He's not exactly a desirable formula.

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Speaker 1: The Rockets were able to get the protected first round pick.

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Speaker 1: They felt like they needed that asset if they were

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Speaker 1: going to trade Russell Westbrook. But it's hard to say

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Speaker 1: that that the Rockets are winners when they just traded

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Speaker 1: the guy who, for all his flaws, was a third

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Speaker 1: team All NBA selection and you know, last offseason they

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Speaker 1: gave up Chris Paul, two first round picks and two

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Speaker 1: pick swaps. So you know that's not it's it's the

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Speaker 1: Rockets really making the best out of a situation that

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Speaker 1: went bad. Why couldn't they keep Russell Westbrook. It just

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Speaker 1: got to the point where Russell Westbrook did not want

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Speaker 1: to be in Houston. You know, as for as long

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Speaker 1: as he had a friendship with James Harden, as much

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Speaker 1: as they mutually pushed to play together, Russell Westbrook was

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Speaker 1: not happy in Houston. You know. He made it clear

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Speaker 1: to the Rockets that he wanted to quote play my game,

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Speaker 1: you know, And we'll see how that works in Washington

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Speaker 1: with Bradley Beale. But you know, everybody remembers his rough

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Speaker 1: performance in the bubble. He's coming off of coronavirus. You know,

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Speaker 1: he obviously strained his quad. He was a show of

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Speaker 1: himself in the bubble. People forget that for the two

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Speaker 1: and a half months before the season was halted, this

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Speaker 1: guy was averaging thirty two, eight and eight and playing

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Speaker 1: the most efficient basketball of his career. And I say people,

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Speaker 1: apparently Russell Westbrook is one of the people that forgot that.

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Speaker 1: But he did not want to stay in Houston. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I misspoke last hour. I said that he had performed

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Speaker 1: well in the bubble. He didn't perform it and he

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Speaker 1: had COVID. But prior to the bubble he performed extremely well.

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Speaker 1: But also it feels like Russ with Bradley Beale makes

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Speaker 1: a whole lot more sense than Russ with James Harden. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: obviously Bradley Beale is much more capable and much better

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Speaker 1: suited to play off the ball. It is still Russ

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Speaker 1: needs to go to Washington understanding that it is Bradley

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Speaker 1: Beale's team and that the biggest priority for the Wizards

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Speaker 1: is ensuring that Bradley Beal wants to stay in Washington

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Speaker 1: for a long long time. But I think it is

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Speaker 1: more of a one A, one B situation then it

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Speaker 1: was in Houston. Where Look, James Harden is not an

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Speaker 1: off ball player. At some point, He's especially if he

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Speaker 1: gets his wish and ends up move into another destination,

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Speaker 1: you know, playing in Brooklyn. If if that's the case,

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Speaker 1: he's going to have to adapt and play off the

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Speaker 1: ball more. But he is arguably the best isolation player

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Speaker 1: in the world, and that's what the Rockets offense has

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Speaker 1: revolved around certainly in recent years, and as long as

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Speaker 1: Harden's there, it's going to be difficult to make drastic

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Speaker 1: changes there. I maintain if I'm the Rockets, I don't

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Speaker 1: acquiesce to James Harden. I just say, look, you wanted this,

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Speaker 1: you wanted Chris Paul out, you wanted Russell westbrook In.

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Speaker 1: We created all of this for you, and now you

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Speaker 1: want out, like last man out, turn out the lights

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Speaker 1: unless I get another team involved in this, tim And

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Speaker 1: I don't know if that team, like its Golden State,

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Speaker 1: really in this or is there another team aside from

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Speaker 1: Brooklyn interested in James Harden. Look, the team that you're

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Speaker 1: going to hear the most about is the Phildelphia seventy

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Speaker 1: six ers. Obviously, Darryl moorey is a huge fan of

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Speaker 1: James Harden. You can argue that the Daryl or that

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Speaker 1: the James Harden trade really kind of made Darryl Moore's career,

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Speaker 1: and Daryl will be the first one to say that.

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Speaker 1: But the seventy the Rockets have been very clear they

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Speaker 1: are not going to move James Harden at seventy cents

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Speaker 1: on the dollar. They do not feel any urgency to

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Speaker 1: move James Harden. Rather, they would try to repair that.

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Speaker 1: They want to try to repair that relationship. Time is

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Speaker 1: on their side. He has two guaranteed years left on

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Speaker 1: that deal. What the Rockets insist they would have to

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Speaker 1: have in any potential trade for Harden would be a

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Speaker 1: young franchise cornerstone and a massive hall of draft picks

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Speaker 1: at Drew Holliday type hall. Well, that's what I wondered though, Tim,

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Speaker 1: what Milwaukee gave up to get Drew Holliday. If I'm

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Speaker 1: the Rockets, I'm going We're going to give you maybe

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Speaker 1: the best scorer in NBA history and still has years

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Speaker 1: you know, his legs. I don't know what you can

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Speaker 1: give up. Like if I'm the seventy Sixers and if

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Speaker 1: I said to you, I'm going to give you Joe

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Speaker 1: l Embiid and maybe an expiring contract or something like,

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Speaker 1: what would it take for the seventy Sixers to actually

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Speaker 1: get James Hardened where the Rockets would feel like, hey,

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Speaker 1: we did okay in this deal. Yeah, I mean, obviously

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Speaker 1: the conversation would have to start with either Joel Embiid

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Speaker 1: and Ben Simmons, and then we're talking about picks upon

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Speaker 1: picks upon picks and really look the Drew Holiday trade

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Speaker 1: says three picks and two you know, pick swap rights.

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Speaker 1: I think that if you're the Rockets, you have to

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Speaker 1: kind of dig your heels in and all this stuff

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Speaker 1: can can change. But for now, the Rockets can afford

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Speaker 1: to be patient, and again they can afford it to

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Speaker 1: prioritize trying to kind of get Hardened back on board.

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Speaker 1: He apparently is excited about or not. I'm excited on

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Speaker 1: board with the idea of playing with John Wall. No, listen,

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Speaker 1: here's the deal. If the Rockets don't win, that rustall

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Speaker 1: really picks up for them to trade Harden and I

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Speaker 1: think the leverage is on the Rocket side until the

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Speaker 1: trade deadline passes, and then it's he's going into the

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Speaker 1: last year of his contract and the leverage really shifts.

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Speaker 1: But they've got time on their side at this moment

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Speaker 1: and for the next few months. He's Tim McMahon, he

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Speaker 1: covers the NBA NBA Insider reporter for ESPN. Explain to

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Speaker 1: me what Paul George is doing. Um uh, he threw

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Speaker 1: Doc under the bus and then back up and then

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Speaker 1: ran him over again. Here. I doubt if Paul George

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Speaker 1: would be saying this if Doc was still the head coach.

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Speaker 1: But feels like Paul George and Kwi Leonard are trying

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Speaker 1: to clean up their their their resumes a little bit here.

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Speaker 1: Paul George is looking for somebody to blame. I mean

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Speaker 1: that that's pretty clear. Paul George is is making excuses,

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Speaker 1: and you know, excuses don't necessarily have to be based

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Speaker 1: in reality. You know, Kevin O'Connor from The Ringer, when

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Speaker 1: when Paul George's complaining, you're using me like Yale and

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Speaker 1: you're using me like like JJ Reddick. The facts don't

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Speaker 1: support that. Kevin O'Connor from The Ringer tweeted, Paul George

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Speaker 1: last year had the highest percentage of pick and roll

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Speaker 1: usage in his career by far. So again, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's he's making excuses. That's just the simplest way to

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Speaker 1: put it. Um for what was an extremely disappointing season

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Speaker 1: and frankly an embarrassing postseason for him. Is he like

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Speaker 1: he wanted to go to Los Angeles? But is he

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Speaker 1: equipped to be in Los Angeles? There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: even with the Clippers, there's a little bit different pressure

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Speaker 1: when you are playing in La than when you're demand

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Speaker 1: in Indiana or when you're in Oklahoma City. Oh, I know, man,

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Speaker 1: he was with the Lakers exactly. But and and Paul

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Speaker 1: George has said, honestly, a lot of very range things

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Speaker 1: over the last few months. I thought him taking shots

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Speaker 1: at Dame Lillard, the guy who you know switched a

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Speaker 1: thirty seven footer in his face and waved bye bye.

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Speaker 1: Basic said in your time in Oklahoma City's over to

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Speaker 1: take shots at him? Was it was, you know, pick

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Speaker 1: your sparring partners a little bit better, I would advise.

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Speaker 1: And then after they're eliminated, you know, this was never

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Speaker 1: a championship buster season for us. Well, boy, it sure

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Speaker 1: seems like the owner fell differently because if end the

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers tenure there. But again, that's just a case

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Speaker 1: of you joined forces with Kauhi, you're going to the Clippers,

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Speaker 1: you're being talked about as a championship favorite, and then

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Speaker 1: after the fact, you're trying to revise history and say, hey,

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Speaker 1: this isn't a big deal, this isn't a disappointment. Well

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Speaker 1: yeah it was. And Paul George probably enters this season

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Speaker 1: with maybe as much to prove as any established star

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Speaker 1: in the NBA. Let's look at the supporting cash for

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Speaker 1: the Lakers prior to the start of this last season

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Speaker 1: and the supporting cast prior to the start of this season.

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Speaker 1: How would you compare the two. I think that Dennis

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Speaker 1: Shrewder is is an upgrade in the sense that they

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Speaker 1: now have a guy who is a can get his

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Speaker 1: own offense, can can create his own offense, you know,

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Speaker 1: can really do some major damage off the dribble. I

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Speaker 1: think the pick and roll with him and Mantres Harold

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Speaker 1: has a lot of potential. You know, you looked at

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Speaker 1: what Montres Hero was able to do with Lou Williams

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Speaker 1: with the Clippers. I think there's going to be a

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Speaker 1: lot of carry over there with Dennis Shrewder you know,

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Speaker 1: moving Danny Green and being able to replace him with

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Speaker 1: West Matthews at a much lower salary I thought was

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Speaker 1: a significant win for the Lakers. But look, I'll say this,

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Speaker 1: when you have Lebron James and Anthony Davis playing in

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Speaker 1: LA for the most glamorous franchise in the league. I

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Speaker 1: give credit to Ron Polinka for the moves that he's

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Speaker 1: been able to make, but there's a pretty significant advantage

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Speaker 1: terms of being able to recruit with exceptions and being

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Speaker 1: able to recruit with minimum salaries when you have two

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Speaker 1: stars with that franchise. Should Lebron have taken less money? Why?

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Speaker 1: I know, Jim, I'm the biggest Lebron fan. I defend

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00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: him at every turn. It feels like if there's a

853
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: way to turn a story, twist a story and make

854
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,839
Speaker 1: it negative about Lebron, we do that. And I think

855
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: we do that with Lebron more than any other athlete,

856
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 1: modern day athlete. I think he's a bargain at that price.

857
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: But I'm just waiting for that. The negative spin of

858
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: Lebron was greedy, makes all this money off the floor.

859
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: Why not take less money and then you ensure you

860
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: win more titles? You win more titles. Now you can

861
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: be on par or above Michael Jordan. Okay, the Lakers

862
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 1: are the finning champion, They're the favorites going in. They

863
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: have an established perennial All NBA costar form in Anthony Davis,

864
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: who's locked up term. I just talked about all the

865
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: recruiting advantages that the Lakers have. Rob Polink has proven

866
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: that he's able to not only put together a championship

867
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: caliber supporting cast, but be flexible in upgrading that on

868
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: a year to year basis. Lebron James, without question, and

869
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: there's no argument against it has everything in place to

870
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 1: be able to win a championship with the why is this?

871
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: Why is he polarizing? Tim? You know, I think that.

872
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he said, go back to the decision, the

873
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 1: fact that he left to win championships, Like, what is it?

874
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't understand it. Look, Lebron is polarizing

875
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: because he's an historically great player who's been in the spotlight,

876
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 1: in the international spotlight since he's been sixteen or seventeen

877
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 1: years old. But who else is like that? Jordan wasn't polarizing.

878
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: Pat Holmes isn't. And I think the NFL and NBA

879
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: are a little bit different than because Jordan he played

880
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: in a completely different era. Would he be polarizing now?

881
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: If Jordan played now, would he be polarizing? I'm absolutely

882
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: sure that he would be. Now, how much can you

883
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: really criticize a guy who's winning championships every single year?

884
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 1: Look what we have found something to criticize? Where we

885
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: have found things to nitpick, absolutely, and for Lebron, I

886
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: think part of the reason he's polarizing. Is there's the

887
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: whole Lebron versus Jordan or obviously you know the fact

888
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: that he is historically great star who is you know,

889
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: taking advantage of his leverage and move teams repeatedly. That

890
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: plays into for a while. And I think the championship

891
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: in LA he's this, but it was Lebron versus Kobe

892
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: even among Lakers, It's always going to be something. And look,

893
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: part of the reason he's polarizing is because we need

894
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: to have conversations like this to let's be honest about

895
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,399
Speaker 1: it and Twitter and everything else. I wonder, I mean

896
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: Jordan with social media. I just think that I want

897
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious how he would have handled that. Yeah, and

898
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: you know, and plus he wasn't on the cover of

899
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:12,879
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated at sixteen. Lebron was the chosen one. Like

900
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,760
Speaker 1: Bryce Harper. We're waiting for Bryce Harper to be great,

901
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: and he'll never live up to what he's probably supposed

902
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: to be. Lebron has lived up to what the hype was,

903
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: and the hype was immeasurable, right, And that's what's crazy

904
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: about Lebron. He has lived up to impossibly high standards.

905
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: The hype was this guy is going to be one

906
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: of the all time great players in NBA history, and

907
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: he's exceeded those expectations. And really the biggest PR misstep

908
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: in his life is that people didn't like the way

909
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: that he decided to take advantage of his rights as

910
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 1: a free agent to leave Cleveland for Miami. The decision,

911
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: If that's the biggest PR misstep of a guy who's

912
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: been in hot international spotlight for twenty years, that ain't bad,

913
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: especially when you know he more than made up to

914
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: it to Cavaliers, fans, and the people of Cleveland, the

915
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: people of Ohio by going back and essentially gifting that

916
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 1: city it's first its first major championship in over a

917
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 1: half a century. Tim, great to connect with you. We

918
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: appreciate your time, great work, and thanks for joining us.

919
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: Appreciate you having me. That's Tim McMahon, ESPN NBA reporter.

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Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

921
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:32,040
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923
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Speaker 1: to listen live. The Rockets ship Russell Westbrook to the

924
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: Wizards for John Wall. You know the funny thing about

925
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: NBA contracts is we celebrate them when the players signed them,

926
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 1: and then forget about them when they turn into albatrosses.

927
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: And that's when you go, wait, he signed for how much?

928
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:58,319
Speaker 1: Wait he's owed how much? Well? Washington reportedly dealt John

929
00:49:58,360 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: wallen his three year, one hundred thirty two million dollars

930
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: deal to Houston for Russell Westbrook and his three year,

931
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty three million dollar contract. Westbrook is at

932
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: least one an MVP, he was third team All NBA

933
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: last year, and he'll be reunited with his former coach,

934
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 1: Scottie Brooks in DC. John Wall gets to go to Houston,

935
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 1: where he gets to watch James Harden shoot. And keep

936
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: in mind, both teams were trading distressed assets and that's

937
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: what made this difficult because Westbrook wanted out. You know,

938
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: it was like a one year experiment. Now I've seen enough.

939
00:50:32,719 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: I want out. I want to be my guy, play

940
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: my game. John Wall hasn't played. December of twenty eight

941
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: teen is last time he played. Even if John Wall's healthy,

942
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,680
Speaker 1: I still think the Wizards got the better end of

943
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: this deal. I don't know what John Wall is going

944
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: to be like coming back from a torn achilles, but

945
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 1: this is one of those trades where you go, we'll

946
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: take your guy that you don't want, and you take

947
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: our guy that we don't want. And then we're going

948
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: to find out Bradley Beale want to play with Russell

949
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: Westbrook or does he want to be traded? Does James

950
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: Harden still want to be traded? Or does he say, oh,

951
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: John Wall, Yeah, I'd love to play with John Wall.

952
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: I think Tim and Florida has started out by saying

953
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: Lebron is a flopper. So your big criticism of Lebron

954
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: is he's a flopper. Boy, get in line. There's a

955
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: take a number of the guys who flop flail, yes, Polly.

956
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 1: Lebron's flops though, are especially dramatically because of his physical size,

957
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 1: because he cannot be moved by most of them. But

958
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: does that make him polarizing? Oh no, that doesn't bout

959
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: It really actually doesn't bother me at all. It's not

960
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: the reps to call it or not call it. Lebron's

961
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: just working the refs. The reps are the ones who

962
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: are at fault. But when he does, he does the

963
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: no I know, Sergeant Elias getting shot in platoon move

964
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: and he's about four times the size of sarge. Oh,

965
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: I think it's embarrassing when I see that. But that

966
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,479
Speaker 1: doesn't make him polarizing. I mean there are other things.

967
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: If you don't like him, comes down to and don't.

968
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't want to make the Final Hour about Lebron

969
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,280
Speaker 1: and Michael Jordan. But this is what this is about.

970
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: It's Michael has this place where you put him on

971
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: the mantel, or it's that portrait that you put above

972
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: the fireplace. And now all of a sudden, somebody says,

973
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just thinking maybe putting that some other place. Maybe, um,

974
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't know, in the den. Can we put another

975
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: portrait of there up there above the mantel? Yeah? What

976
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: are you thinking of Lebron James? Oh no, no, no, no no,

977
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: you can't have that up there. We don't want Lebron

978
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: interrupting our memory. Like Mike, he never missed a shot,

979
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 1: he never lost a playoff game. Yes, no, he didn't

980
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,479
Speaker 1: lose playoff games. Yes he died, yes he did, yes,

981
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,280
Speaker 1: first couple of years of his career. Now, if Michael

982
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: had been on Sports Illustrated at the age of sixteen

983
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: and it was the chosen one, he goes to North Carolina.

984
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: He does hit the game winning shot for a national championship,

985
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: that's big, But he would have got into the NBA

986
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: and the critics would have been all over him because

987
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: he couldn't get out of the first round. Michael didn't win,

988
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, he realized, I'm going

989
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: to take less money or I'm not going to ask

990
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: for more money. We're going to build a roster. Here

991
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: he got Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen turned out to be

992
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: one of the great draft picks in NBA history. You

993
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: started to fill in other parts of that roster and

994
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:29,520
Speaker 1: he had a great team. But Mike never had the hype.

995
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: He got the hype after the Air Jordan, Like once

996
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:36,439
Speaker 1: he got the shoe deal, then we wanted to see

997
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: if he was great and an all time great because

998
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 1: he was still just a fascinating highlight. And then he

999
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 1: started to win. And then that's what's different. You know.

1000
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: Lebron started out and he was getting into the playoffs.

1001
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: They went to an NBA Finals with one of the

1002
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: worst teams ever, one of the worst teams to ever

1003
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,800
Speaker 1: go to the NBA Finals, and they played the Spurs.

1004
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: But he didn't gain credit. He lost, and then he'd

1005
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,520
Speaker 1: go again, and then he would lose. And then he said, well, okay,

1006
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 1: if I want to be compared to Jordan, nobody's going

1007
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: to come here to Cleveland to play, and I'm gonna

1008
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,399
Speaker 1: go to Miami. We got criticized for that, and then

1009
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: he went back to Cleveland won a title. Yeah, but

1010
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: Kyrie hit the big shot. Okay, let's see him do

1011
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: it in the West. And then he goes to the West.

1012
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, look what happened and Lebron he went out there.

1013
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: They didn't make the playoffs, okay, and then they went

1014
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: a title in the bubble. Degree of difficulty through the

1015
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: roof and here we are Lebron team to beat great offseason.

1016
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 1: And then oh, he should have taken less money. Why

1017
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: they have the team to beat Anthony Davis didn't take

1018
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,920
Speaker 1: less And here comes Lebron James and knocking on Michael

1019
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: Jordan's door. Oh my gosh, I don't want to open

1020
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: up my scrapbook and see Lebron in there. That's what

1021
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: bothers people. And there are things he's passive, aggressive, He

1022
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: hasn't always been a good teammate. I don't believe he's

1023
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:16,080
Speaker 1: punched a teammate as Michael did. But it feels like, however,

1024
00:55:16,239 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: we can make this more about Mike and less about

1025
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: Lebron than there are people are going to do that.

1026
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 1: Trust me, Jordan's can spend this. Lebron didn't care enough

1027
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: about winning to punch out a teammate the commitments in

1028
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 1: the raft. Yeah, he should have punched out who was it,

1029
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:37,880
Speaker 1: Booby Gibson? Remember remember that day Vera Jall big z

1030
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: God it took a CBA roster to the NBA Finals

1031
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 1: against the Spurs. Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick

1032
00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: Show podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday

1033
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,920
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1034
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,319
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00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,560
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1036
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:02,200
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Speaker 1: Good Morning Bill, the Street to role We're filled with

1038
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: there everywhere you know, well state that we're seeing double

1039
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: on this beautiful fall day on planet. Or I'm alive,

1040
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: I'm married to Laurie and I'm talking with Dan Patrick.

1041
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: And that's the coolest desk I've ever seen. I'm a

1042
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:26,920
Speaker 1: big bubble head guy. I'm a big collector of stuff

1043
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 1: like that, but I have never seen anything quite that.

1044
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: And I said, maybe if I blink a few times,

1045
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: I can even absorb more of it right through this screen. Well,

1046
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: you gave me some merchandise. I have one of your jerseys.

1047
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: I have an autographed basketball. I also have a picture

1048
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: that you autographed. I believe this is your first NBA game.

1049
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: Your first NBA game was against Kareem Abdul Jabbar in Dayton, Ohio,

1050
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: when Kareem was with the Bucks direct and Don Nelson

1051
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: had just stepped down as a player, and he was

1052
00:56:56,920 --> 00:57:00,919
Speaker 1: a Don Nelson, an incredible entrepreneur of business, visionary guy,

1053
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 1: and he was the promoter of the game. And I

1054
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: had just graduated from UCLA. Kareem went to UCLA and

1055
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: John Nelson thought it would be a good idea. It

1056
00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: was a great idea for Kareem. I had had knee

1057
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:20,200
Speaker 1: surgery about two weeks before and it did not go well,

1058
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: but it was very well for from Kareem's point of view,

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00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: who wasn't, without question, the greatest player I ever played

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00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: against and the standard of excellence that still exists today.

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00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: And I followed Bill out. He was walking out in

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00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: the parking lot. You had a red and black flannel shirt.

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00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: You had your hair back in a ponytail. You had pail,

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00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: and you had a bag of nuts. You had a

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00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 1: brown paper bag full of nuts. Try to bring my

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00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 1: nuts with me all the time. All right, set me,

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00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: set this straight. Now. I know you ever want to

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00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: be listed as a seven footer. I think the quote

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00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: was because seven footers are considered freaks. Bill, You're not

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Speaker 1: six to eleven. I would love to be seven feet tall.

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00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: I love just being taller and taller and getting tall

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00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: higher up on the mountain there. But the last time

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00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 1: I was measured, I was nineteen years old and I

1074
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: was at UCLA, and John Wooden was always in charge

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00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: of the measure right, and he would stand on the

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00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,600
Speaker 1: ladder with the ruler that on topic as you stood

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00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: next to the wall, right, and Duckie Drake the trainer

1078
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: legend there. Duckie Drake was incredibly instrumental in Raper Johnson's

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00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: remarkable life and career, and light a candle and say

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00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: a prayer for Raper who just passed on yesterday. But

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00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:50,560
Speaker 1: it was John Wooden would call up everybody in alphabetical orders.

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00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: So we had Henry Bilby and we had Greg Lee,

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00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,040
Speaker 1: and we had Larry Hollyfield and Larry Farmer and schwinn

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00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: Lad and all the guys and then he and as

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00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: he has they walk up and Coach wouldn't puts the

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00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: rule on top of their head and he calls out, okay,

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 1: Greg Lee six five, Henry Bibby six two, Larry holly

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00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: Field six five, Larry Farmer six to six and then

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00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: he swen nater or seven feet tall and he says, Walton,

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00:59:15,360 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 1: your turn, alphabetical. I get up off my stool and

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00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: I walk toward him and I get halfway across the

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00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: room and he says, you're six to eleven. That was

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00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 1: the last time I was like, you gotta be seven two. Oh,

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00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:35,520
Speaker 1: I'm not. I feel like I'm about eight or nine

1095
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 1: feet tall, especially after the the Camping World of Mawie

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00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 1: Jim in Ashfield and we just had this week that

1097
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,320
Speaker 1: was just over the top. But whenever I stand next

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00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 1: to Kareem, then I know I'm barely six to eleven.

1099
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: And then whenever I stand next to Yelloming Well yellming

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00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: him or Mark Eaton, they are the two biggest players,

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00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:01,919
Speaker 1: but it's not even close between Yao Ming and Mark

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01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 1: eat You know, Mark Eaton is seven four and Yao

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01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: Ming is seven thirteen, and y'all is so big too.

1104
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: It's not how big you are, it's how he could play.

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01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: And you know Yaoming a giant bond and off the

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01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,920
Speaker 1: court and what he has done for the world to

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: make it better. Kareem the incredible job that he's doing

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01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,720
Speaker 1: right now. Wilch who was just this spiritual force of

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01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: nature that changed the direction of everything. But it's not

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01:00:30,560 --> 01:00:32,120
Speaker 1: just the big guys. I mean, I just did a

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01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,920
Speaker 1: show with Doctor Jay the other day and the remarkable,

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01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: the remarkable impact that he has had on all of

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: our lives. And you know, Doctor J. When Doctor J

1114
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: graduated from high school, he was sixty three and he

1115
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: grew a couple more inches, But it was his remarkable, incredible, spectacular,

1116
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: phenomenal empty the thesaurus, what he was able to do

1117
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 1: in terms of inspired, ignite and to be able to

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01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: take things to another level. And he was really critical

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01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: Doctor Jay in terms of changing the course of history

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Speaker 1: because for so long you look at the thirty four

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Speaker 1: mbps and the history of the NBA, and at the

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01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: beginning there was Bob Cruzy five or six years in

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Speaker 1: there was Austar Robertson. Other than that, it was six

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Speaker 1: nine and above. It was Bob Petted, it was Bill Russell,

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Speaker 1: it was Wilt, it was Willis Reed, it was West Unsettled,

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Speaker 1: it was Dave Cowens, it was Kareem and Moses and

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01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: all these different guys. And now all of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty one, doctor Jay, it all comes together

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01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 1: for him. And then from that point on it's really

1130
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: been coming down in terms of size. Although the current

1131
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: MVP Jannis is absolutely incredible what he does, today's players

1132
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: are so spectActor and one of the things that I

1133
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: love about today's players is their versatility, that the broad

1134
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: spectrum of all their skills, and the fact that they

1135
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: love to use their platform, the most incredible platform NBA,

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01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: ESPN Turner to promote a better world for other people.

1137
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: And so with Jannis flying around out there, and then

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01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: you have Lebron who was just who was over the

1139
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 1: top and literally indescribable, because when I watched Lebron play,

1140
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: I cannot figure out what the best part of his

1141
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,440
Speaker 1: game is. I don't know if it's shooting threes, if

1142
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: it's driving, if it's dunking, if it's blocking shots, if

1143
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 1: it's just defense, it's just passing into screening, it's his leadership.

1144
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: I mean, he has it all. And to see how

1145
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 1: remarkably close he is to passing Kareem. I remember when

1146
01:02:48,560 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: Kareem passed Wilt and Wilt head his comment was, if

1147
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: I had ever thought that anybody would come remotely breaking

1148
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: my directors, I just would have doubled them up. And

1149
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 1: then he goes on and Kareem gets I think maybe

1150
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: eight thousand more points than than Will did, and then

1151
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: it looked like Karl Malone was going to pass Kareem,

1152
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 1: and then all Karl got hurt and could no longer play,

1153
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:19,760
Speaker 1: and and Kareem and you know, I asked him what

1154
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 1: it was like at the end, and he said, you know, Idil,

1155
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: everything was fine. I was going like Kareem was the

1156
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 1: first twenty year player in the history of the NBA.

1157
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: And you know, he made college basketball what it is.

1158
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: He carried the NBA for all those years that there

1159
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: was never a game but he played never that he

1160
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: wasn't the absolute focal point of the other teams and

1161
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: defensive and winning strategy. And so what Kareem said that

1162
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: he was going along and everything was just just fine.

1163
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: And then one day he got there. He didn't get hurt,

1164
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: but he got there and he just couldn't do it anymore.

1165
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,880
Speaker 1: Got old, did you miss you? You miss Will Chamberlain

1166
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 1: by a year are so dnia Will retired, Bill Russell retired,

1167
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: Wright as Korean came in retired right as I came in.

1168
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: And it was real, was I met those guys. I

1169
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: started playing basketball against NBA players when I was fourteen

1170
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:19,560
Speaker 1: years old. San Yego Rockets expanded here to had Jim

1171
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:23,040
Speaker 1: Barnett and Pat Riley and John Block and Don coaches

1172
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: in the first year, quickly followed by players like Elvin Hayes,

1173
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: Rudy tom Janovich, Calvin Murphy, all Hall of famers, pat

1174
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: Riley the Hall of Famer as well, and then the

1175
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,919
Speaker 1: business and coaching and basketball executives on that team. When

1176
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: little Billy was fourteen years old, there was Pete Newell,

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Speaker 1: alexanderm text Winner and Jack McMahon, all of them in

1178
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,240
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, and so I was that was

1179
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: my life. And then overarching everything Dan was John Wooden,

1180
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 1: and so I had the perfect childhood, and I had

1181
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: every opportunity and one of the disappointing things for me

1182
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 1: is at California. We just had Proposition sixteen, which was

1183
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: going to reinstill affirmative action in California, and it failed.

1184
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: It failed a bad and the you know when you

1185
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: know the history of our country and checked out Jill

1186
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:22,360
Speaker 1: mcpor's brought a beast truth, check out tonahec coach between

1187
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 1: the world and me, and check out Isabel Wilkerson's cast.

1188
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean the disadvantage that people have to overcome, and

1189
01:05:30,520 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: you know, to see what so many guys have been

1190
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: able to do when I was just virtually in Ashville

1191
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: over the weekend, over the early part of this week,

1192
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: here's me and Johnny Davis, my great teammate from the

1193
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 1: Portland Trail Blazers, the guy that really put it over

1194
01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 1: the top for the Blazers with his remarkable skill and

1195
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 1: passion and talent and everything. You know. Johnny, Johnny grew

1196
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: up in a very tough situation, you know, right in

1197
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 1: the you know, in the projects of downtown Detroit in

1198
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: the late sixties, when there was battles in the streets

1199
01:06:01,080 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: and tanks and war and fire and explosions, and Johnny

1200
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: was to tell the stories about how his mom would

1201
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: not let him leave the corner of the room because

1202
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: she was afraid for his safety. And then when Johnny

1203
01:06:12,200 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: got the team where that first game was played at

1204
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 1: all roles into one. Johnny was playing at Dating for

1205
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:20,240
Speaker 1: three years. We played against and we didn't even know

1206
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: him because John Wood and he thought the other team

1207
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: was irrelevant. He never mentioned the other team in four

1208
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: years other than two times we lost it those games

1209
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 1: thanks a lot coach. But Johnny the NBA, you know,

1210
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 1: he told him. He was telling us, it's John the

1211
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 1: quietest guy ever know john Johnny made Jamal Wilkes looked

1212
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: like Daniel Webster there. It was. Johnny was telling us that.

1213
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: You know, he left school early because he was tired

1214
01:06:50,200 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: of seeing his mom spent her whole day, her whole life,

1215
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: on her hands and knees scrubbing people's floors. And so

1216
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: he went onto the NBA. Spent thirty eight years. Thirty

1217
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,880
Speaker 1: eight years, Johnny sixty five years old, that Kallie married

1218
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: to Leslie. Two wonderful children, Austin and Reggie and Reginalds

1219
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: are and they and they live in Ashville. He's retired there,

1220
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:15,640
Speaker 1: but thirty eight years to be able to build your

1221
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: life and career. To see what the NBA has becomed

1222
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:21,920
Speaker 1: in it's a dream come true for me. I do

1223
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: want to before I run out of time, that you

1224
01:07:25,240 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: were very lucky that you played for UCLA and you

1225
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 1: played with Jack Ramsey, so you start your college career

1226
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,760
Speaker 1: with a structure you played for Jack Ramsey. I think

1227
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: it's it's one of the finest teams, true teams I've

1228
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 1: ever seen in NBA history, the Blazers, because that you

1229
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 1: guys weren't selfish, you understood it. You got out and

1230
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: you ran. You were a star, but you weren't a

1231
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 1: star or acted like a star. At UCLA. Coach wanted

1232
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 1: to make sure that everybody was you know, you're all

1233
01:07:56,760 --> 01:08:00,160
Speaker 1: great players. But and then you watch what basketball is

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01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 1: now in college, Like, I don't know how frustrating this

1235
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: must be for a true purist and has every right

1236
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 1: to be a purist when you watch what basketball in

1237
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: college great athletes but very little structure. I love college basketball,

1238
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: and I love the coaches, and I love the efforts

1239
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 1: that they're making and try to help these young men

1240
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: build a life, create a dream, and then develop a

1241
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: network and so that they can go on and use

1242
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,799
Speaker 1: this incredible platform of basketball for the rest of their life.

1243
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:32,720
Speaker 1: And I'm so lucky to be able to be a

1244
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: part of that. Still, but the game has changed and

1245
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: the style is changed. But when you come across a

1246
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,519
Speaker 1: good team, when you come across a great game, and

1247
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 1: as we had this, this was I'm on cloud seventeen

1248
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: from this last weekend. All I couldn't believe that we

1249
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 1: had Bruce Ranges beyond the air. He told some spectacular stories.

1250
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: And he had a son who played at LSU right

1251
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 1: after starting at you and see Ashville, and Bruce was

1252
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,080
Speaker 1: telling the starting not so Bruce has two children and

1253
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: uh and they're twins and uh and Keith is a

1254
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 1: little bit older. Keith started at UNC Asheville and then

1255
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: he realized that, okay, you know, I can play at

1256
01:09:14,680 --> 01:09:17,840
Speaker 1: a higher level. So he transferred to to LSU and

1257
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 1: played very well there. And how he's playing professionally over

1258
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:24,800
Speaker 1: in Germany. And the younger twin Russell, I've lost my

1259
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: voice here, Bruce, I've been Uh, damn, I've been talking

1260
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: to non stuff. And so anyway, they Russell he lives

1261
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, but he's also you know, his real passion.

1262
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: He lives in Los Angeles for business and work. He's

1263
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:41,919
Speaker 1: in the entertainment industry, but his real passion his climbing mountains.

1264
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,760
Speaker 1: And I love people that climb mountains. And you know,

1265
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 1: I like movies like Free Solo with Alexcnald the ability

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Speaker 1: to look at the impossible and figure it out, which

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Speaker 1: is kind of like me looking at your desk and saying, Naggy,

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Speaker 1: right there. If I gave you one concert a side,

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Speaker 1: not a grateful dead concert, one concert to revisit, what

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Speaker 1: would it be? There's so many, Dan, I've been to

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Speaker 1: four thousand concerts. I mean, I started going on spit,

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Speaker 1: I know, but there's only one Bill. I don't like

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Speaker 1: to rank it. Well this, how about if we make

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Speaker 1: it woodstock and I get to pick the Woodstock seventeen

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Speaker 1: and I get to pick the roster. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: so many, you know, there's Bob Dylan, there's Neil Young,

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Speaker 1: There's Jimmy Cliff, there's John Fogerty, there's Jackson Brown, there's

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Speaker 1: Bruce Hornsby. Okay, wait, I'm gonna give you five bands

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Speaker 1: for Bill Walton's Woodstock. Okay, you don't have to go

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Speaker 1: into any description, just five bands. How many children do

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Speaker 1: you have? I have four, we have six, we have

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Speaker 1: fourteen grandchildren. And so how am I ever been? Bill?

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Speaker 1: Stop being so difficult to treat me like I'm John Wooden. Here.

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Speaker 1: I want Bill, I want four five bands at Woodstock.

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Speaker 1: This is how Coach Wooden would phrase that question, Bill,

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Speaker 1: Woodstock interesting place. Who are some of the bands among

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Speaker 1: the many that you like? Okay? And I just gave

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Speaker 1: on you a whole bunch. I didn't need to get

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Speaker 1: to Fleetwood, Macady Eagle, Endless, John Lennon and George Harrison.

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Speaker 1: And that's the beautiful thing about the shople right on

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Speaker 1: my electronic music here, I got the shovele and it's

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Speaker 1: amazing how the shople knows. So we're having this spectacular

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Speaker 1: run through the Camping World Mawe Invitational in Ashfield, and

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Speaker 1: it's over the top, fantastic in every way. And then

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Speaker 1: at the very end of the game, the guy who

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Speaker 1: has been the best player to the entire tournament comes,

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Speaker 1: against all odds and against every bit of adversity. Known's

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Speaker 1: a man, and he comes and he makes the game

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Speaker 1: winner at the buzzer and they win, and he acts side. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is what it was supposed to be. It was.

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Speaker 1: It was like a scripted movie. It was so perfect.

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Speaker 1: And then as we leave the air and I turned

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Speaker 1: back on the shuffle, the shuffle comes up with Jerry

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Speaker 1: Garcia the bright Side of the bright Side of the Street.

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Speaker 1: From that, from the dark end of the street to

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Speaker 1: the bright side of the road, and I've been, you know,

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Speaker 1: in times of trouble. I always listened to the music

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Speaker 1: play and three songs that have really been sticking of

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Speaker 1: late right side of the road, and that was the

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Speaker 1: one that came up immediately on the shuffle. And then

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Speaker 1: waiting for a miracle and then see what love can do.

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Speaker 1: It's always great to talk to you that, Britz. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Billy