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Speaker 1: Welcome. Medlake Gig is live. It is Sunday night, July

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Speaker 1: a whole out to get to tonight I'm going to do.

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Speaker 1: I think we already did our spotlight games. We did

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Speaker 1: our schedule draft, and that was before everything got flip

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Speaker 1: turned upside down, if you will. So we're pretty sure

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Speaker 1: we're going to play conference games, and we're really sure

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Speaker 1: we're going to play division games if there is indeed

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Speaker 1: any kind of schedule that resembles normalcy put out, and

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really matter which conference you're in. So what

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do tonight to open the show is

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Speaker 1: we're going to look at those semi off the radar games,

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Speaker 1: big programs, but games that maybe aren't at the forefront

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Speaker 1: of everyone's mind. They're not on the front of any

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Speaker 1: kind of preview magazine, they're not in the Games of

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Speaker 1: So we're going to take a look at that. I

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Speaker 1: also want to go through an article that our Chris

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Speaker 1: Hummer put out, and it was our Thursday I'd say,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't include it on the Thursday show because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to dive a little bit deeper into it.

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Speaker 1: But it's about how much college athletes will be worth

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Speaker 1: when name, image and likeness legislation is enacted and things

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Speaker 1: change in the sport, which they're about to in the

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Speaker 1: coming year fast. And I have, as I've told you

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Speaker 1: before and I'll tell you again tonight, sort of semi

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Speaker 1: radically changed my opinion on the impact that's going to

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Speaker 1: sort of in the camp of I don't want to

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Speaker 1: stuff up, I don't think so anymore. And I've got

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Speaker 1: a lot of what I think are logic based reasons

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Speaker 1: recruiting was such a hot topic on the Late Kick

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Speaker 1: Extra podcast last week that I'm going to talk about

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Speaker 1: it tonight, and we're going to dive just a little

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Speaker 1: bit deeper than a couple of minutes we spent on

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Speaker 1: the podcast. And then I'm going to ask or answer

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Speaker 1: rather a question that a lot of you ask about Clemson.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you just flat out say, if Clemson

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Speaker 1: were in another conference, would they ever win? Well, yeah

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Speaker 1: they would, Would they win a bunch of championships? I

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Speaker 1: don't know. But we're going to answer a question towards

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Speaker 1: the end of the show tonight that long time contributor

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Speaker 1: and listener of the show Cat Train submitted. So we're

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Speaker 1: going to get to all that in due time. Let's

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Speaker 1: get started with our Under the Radar Games College Football

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. You know the marquee games, you know, the

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Speaker 1: spotlight games, games of the year, everyone does that kind

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Speaker 1: of segment. Well, then you got to go to the

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Speaker 1: next tier, and we're talking about under the radar games.

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Speaker 1: So let's go down this list just a second. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I can't include every second tier or third tier game

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Speaker 1: argument's sake, let's hit four or five. Oklahoma at Iowa

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Speaker 1: State is the one that comes to mind right off

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Speaker 1: But I think, right, Brent, are you in the chat

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Speaker 1: by the way, Yeah, so Brand's in the chat. That's

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Speaker 1: why I'm leaving with Iowa State tonight. Happy birthday, buddy,

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Speaker 1: don't know when your birthday actually is, but this is

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Speaker 1: my present to you. Everyone focuses on quarterback in pretty

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Speaker 1: much every college football game, understandably so it's the most

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Speaker 1: you to think about the difference, potentially, the difference between

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Speaker 1: he's got a much higher upside. Oh, his physical potential

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Speaker 1: I also am highly interested if the Big Twelve conference

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Speaker 1: that it will. I think I've already spoken about where

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Speaker 1: this game lies for Oklahoma. It's not just in a vacuum.

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Speaker 1: They don't play one game wit a year, play another game.

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Speaker 1: Think about this little three game stretch as it relates

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Speaker 1: They play versus Texas, then they go to Iowa State,

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Speaker 1: So a lot of people's seasons, and really the Big twelve,

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Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people are talking about Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: We dive beneath the surface just for you. How about

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Speaker 1: We have spoken at length about the buy in and

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Speaker 1: How weird is it here, Colin. We're in late July

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if year three is Lookout here

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Speaker 1: this is where the misread is. It's not their fault.

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Speaker 1: They only have the data to go on that currently exists.

431
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Speaker 1: But I want to stress something to you. This is

432
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Speaker 1: where the floodgates are going to open here, and this

433
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,399
Speaker 1: is where it's going to level the playing field a

434
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Speaker 1: whole lot more than you're afraid. It's just going to

435
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,520
Speaker 1: distance the haves from the have nots. Sponsorship dollars previously

436
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 1: available in college athletics do not equal sponsorship dollars that

437
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,159
Speaker 1: will be available now that more people are at the table.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I mean by that. If you're watching on YouTube,

439
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Speaker 1: Colin is showing you all of these stadium shots from

440
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Speaker 1: SEC games. The SEC has among other networks. It's primary

441
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:07,360
Speaker 1: TV deal currently with CBS, and CBS shows the SEC

442
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: Saturday Game of the Week, and when you watch those games,

443
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,920
Speaker 1: they frequently go to commercial breaks. That's how you keep

444
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: the lights on, that's how you pay the bills. And

445
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,760
Speaker 1: you'll notice all kind of big brands Doctor Pepper, AFLAC.

446
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Speaker 1: But it's just what I said, really big brands, because

447
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 1: those brands, the marquee globally recognized brands, those are really

448
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: the only ones who can afford in this competitive environment

449
00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 1: where the ad spots are so limited, you only have

450
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 1: so many games, those are really the only brands that

451
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Speaker 1: can afford to win those bidding wars. So now I

452
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Speaker 1: want you to imagine that you're a business owner, You're

453
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Speaker 1: a CEO. It's not Aflack, it's not doctor Pepper. But

454
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Speaker 1: you know, let's say you own a supplement company. You

455
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Speaker 1: do pretty well for yourself. You're not turning billions of

456
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Speaker 1: dollars a year in profit, but you're doing pretty well

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Speaker 1: for yourself. How would this change your approach? Because you're

458
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Speaker 1: probably sitting at home on Saturdays and knowing full well

459
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Speaker 1: your clientele is the eighteen to fifty two year old

460
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Speaker 1: male demographic, same ones. The Venn diagram would just overlap

461
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 1: same people who are watching these games. You think that me,

462
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Speaker 1: the CEO and the owner of a mid level supplement company,

463
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't love to advertise on the CBS Saturday afternoon game

464
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Speaker 1: of the week. Of course I would. I just can't

465
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Speaker 1: afford the ad spot Doctor Peppers. They can write their checks,

466
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Speaker 1: they can print their money. I don't have that capability.

467
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Speaker 1: Doesn't mean I wouldn't love to be part of that

468
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Speaker 1: market share. And so now new opportunities present themselves. So

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Speaker 1: now let's continue. There's a misconception, I think, and I've

470
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Speaker 1: spoken about this before. I think the big misconception is

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Speaker 1: that this whole deal when players can benefit off their name,

472
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Speaker 1: image and likeness, and it becomes part of the recruiting

473
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Speaker 1: strategy for major programs. The worry is that Ohio States

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Speaker 1: park there in Columbus, Ohio, they have unlimited resources. Alabama

475
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Speaker 1: has unlimited resources. Southern cowsand obviously southern California they have

476
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Speaker 1: unlimited resources. They're in these in some cases, these huge cities,

477
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Speaker 1: major media markets, they have unlimited potential. And all these

478
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Speaker 1: things are true. But what you're scared of is that

479
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,840
Speaker 1: it's just going to put these few programs on this

480
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Speaker 1: rocket ship and they're going to go into a different stratosphere,

481
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Speaker 1: and no one else other than those few are going

482
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Speaker 1: to be able to compete. I think it's false. But

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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, how does the sport look

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Speaker 1: right now? How many programs are competing right now? How

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Speaker 1: many of them as we enter the season? Would you

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Speaker 1: be willing to call a legitimate national championship contender, not playoff,

487
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Speaker 1: not conference championship contender. Because once you get past the programs,

488
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Speaker 1: maybe outside of Southern cal once you get past the

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Speaker 1: usual suspects, the Alabamas, the Ohio States, the Clemsons, the Oklahomas, Georgia, LSU,

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Speaker 1: once we get pasted about half a dozen of them,

491
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Speaker 1: you don't need much more breath to finish the list.

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Speaker 1: I'll just put it like that. So everyone claiming it's

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Speaker 1: going to do that to the sport, I would tell

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Speaker 1: you no, no, no, no, that's the current state of affairs.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you think that's bad for the sport,

496
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure it can get any worse. So I

497
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Speaker 1: think the default setting here is to realize the sport's

498
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: already insanely top heavy. So now let me explain to

499
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Speaker 1: you where the beauty of conference television deals change this

500
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Speaker 1: whole landscape. Think about what we've talked about. I know

501
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Speaker 1: this is a lot. Think maybe for you, it's not

502
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Speaker 1: for me it is. So let's follow along closely, because

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Speaker 1: let me tell you what my strategy would be, and

504
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Speaker 1: let me tell you why. My strategy, I think is

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Speaker 1: going to be the strategy of a lot of mid

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Speaker 1: level corporations, mid level companies out there that see this

507
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Speaker 1: as the window to get their product finally visible in

508
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Speaker 1: the world of college athletics, whereas they never could before

509
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: because they were boxed out from being able to purchase

510
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Speaker 1: what you would call classical advertising, and the players were

511
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Speaker 1: off limits because the NCAA forbade them capitalizing on their name,

512
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: image and likeness, so you couldn't have any side endorsement deals.

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Speaker 1: Now you can. Here's what my strategy would be if

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Speaker 1: I were let's say I go back to my hypothetical

515
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Speaker 1: role as the CEO of a mid level kind of

516
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: recognizable supplement brand and health brand. What I would do

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Speaker 1: is I would look at Alabama and I'd say, They're

518
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Speaker 1: gonna have no problem here. Ohio State's gonna have no problem.

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00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: But you know what, Alabama doesn't have a TV deal.

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Speaker 1: The SEC does, and that means that Alabama's on National

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00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: TV twelve games a year. So is Arkansas, so is Kentucky,

522
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: so is Missouri. And you know what, a lot of

523
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Speaker 1: people watch those games too. And you know what else,

524
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Speaker 1: Arkansas plays a lot of the biggest programs in America,

525
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Speaker 1: so by default, a lot of eyeballs are on those games.

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Speaker 1: You could say the exact same thing about Michigan State.

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Speaker 1: You could say the same thing about Maryland. All of

528
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: these network TV deals now come into play to where

529
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: you're guaranteed if you're playing on those teams, you're on

530
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Speaker 1: National TV ten eleven or twelve weeks out of the year.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking to get my brand visible. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: going to Alabama. I'm not going to Ohio State. They

533
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: don't need my money. But if I've got all the

534
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: sudden on the side a four hundred thousand dollars a year,

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Speaker 1: let's call it an endorsement budget. I'm going to the

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Speaker 1: University of South Carolina or Arizona State or Kentucky, and

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Speaker 1: I'm putting portions that money. I'm kind of a lobbyist.

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00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: At this point, I'm putting portions of that money into

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00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: their recruiting fund. Call it whatever I need to to

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00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 1: skirt the rules, but I'm telling you this is the

541
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: money I'm giving you to take on the recruiting trail.

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00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,199
Speaker 1: You don't put it in the kid's pocket. It's not

543
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: like dropping a sack of cash like the old days.

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00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 1: What you're telling kids that you recruit is you, upon

545
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 1: signing a letter of intent with US, automatically qualify for

546
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: a downside guarantee fifteen thousand dollars per year endorsement deal

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00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: with JP Supplement Company. You tell all your four star

548
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: kids that, You tell all your five star kids that.

549
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: And so now all of a sudden, a new strategy

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00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: emerges where South Carolina just partner with JP Supplement Company.

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00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,919
Speaker 1: What if they have ten more deals like that? Do

552
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,119
Speaker 1: you see, all of a sudden, how the coffer that

553
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: you have to work from is starting to fill up

554
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,159
Speaker 1: and it's starting to get really competitive by default of

555
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 1: you being able to play all your games on national TV,

556
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: and you're still a pretty big deal. You may not

557
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: be Alabama, but you're still South Carolina. So you got

558
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: some tradition to sell you got some history to sell,

559
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: you got some inventory to sell. That's how that's going

560
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: to work. And I'm telling you, whereas right now a

561
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: lot of folks are worried that this is just going

562
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: to benefit the very few at the expense of the many.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's how it's going to work. I

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Speaker 1: wanted to read one more little excerpt from here before

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Speaker 1: we move on. I want you to listen to this,

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Speaker 1: and then I want you to tell me who does

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00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 1: this sound like? This is the I want to make

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Speaker 1: sure I get the name right. The organization that Chris

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Speaker 1: Hummer interview. This is them talking again. The size of

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Speaker 1: a program social media following has a huge impact on

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Speaker 1: a player's earnings potential. How big your footprint is digitally

572
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: on the social channels really has a lot to do

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00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: with how much earnings potential your players are going to have.

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00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: Fields and Lawrence, for example, are national names, but their

575
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: value is boosted by Ohio State and Clemson's digital footprint

576
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: that will help them grow their brand with targeted videos

577
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: and posts across social media platforms with millions of followers.

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00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: Now we circle back to a question we had a

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00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago about LSU's graphics department last year.

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Speaker 1: Do you remember how big a leap digitally LSU took

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Speaker 1: last year. Some of you don't care about this, but

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Speaker 1: those of you who are active on Twitter, Instagram, you

583
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Speaker 1: saw LSU was putting out these amazing videos, and you

584
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: saw LSU was lapping the field in the graphics department.

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00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 1: They were next level. There was a move that was

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00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: made in the off season. It didn't make front page headlines,

587
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 1: but some of us in this industry took notice. The

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Speaker 1: University of Southern California came after LSU's did digital video

589
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 1: guys came after some of them and signed them. Now

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00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: that sounds like it's not a big deal, it's a

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00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 1: huge deal because of what I just read to you.

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Speaker 1: Your ability to separate on the social platforms is directly

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Speaker 1: connected to your ability to give maximum earnings potential to

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Speaker 1: the players that you sign, which goes right into your

595
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: recruiting portfolio when you go into their living room. This

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00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: is certainly not the last time we're going to talk

597
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 1: about this, but this is the way that the industry

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00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 1: is changing. And let me lastly put it to you

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00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: like this. Everyone loves to swear that recruiting has been

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00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: such a dirty filed the industry forever. We're going to

601
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: talk about it in the second actually, and everyone swears

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00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: that every time they miss out on a recruit it's

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00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: because fill in the blank university dropped eighty grand into

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Speaker 1: their dad's church the night before signing day. And it happens.

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00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: So I'm not telling you it doesn't. However, I want

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00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: you to consider if that's one of the big problems

607
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: you have with college athletics, the kind of ced underbelly

608
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: of illegal benefits on the recruiting trail, you need to

609
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: consider how this may recalibrate the system when we can

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00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: do a lot of that stuff legally. Now, what kind

611
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: of advantage do those programs who only benefited by skirting

612
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: the rule book? How do they survive? Now, maybe it

613
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: weeds out a lot of those dirty players that you

614
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: love to frown on so much. Just something to think about.

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00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Let's move on, Colin, speaking of negative recruiting, Speaking of

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00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: the CD underbelly of college football. We had a question

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00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: on the Late Kick Extra podcast last week, which we

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00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: release on Wednesday, and we've gotten a ton of great

619
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: traction and feedback on that, So keep it coming. Keep

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00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: the five star reviews coming and thank you for that.

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00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: And the question was very simple. It was how prevalent

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00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: is negative recruiting. We got a lot of traction on it,

623
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: so much so that I thought I'd go a little

624
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 1: bit further in depth share some anonymous, of course stories

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00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,440
Speaker 1: with you tonight on just some feedback I've gotten about

626
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: different kinds of negative recruiting, because the first thing I

627
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 1: think we had to ask ourselves is what do we

628
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: consider negative recruiting? You may be different than me. For example,

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Speaker 1: the mere mention of another school when I'm in your

630
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: living room is that negative? Or do I have to

631
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: have a more negative targeted pitch that zero's in on

632
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: one team for it to be negative. I wanted to state,

633
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: by the way, Colin and I were talking about this

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00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: before the show, you know every rundown I send Colin

635
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: in the afternoons, it includes the elements that I'm going

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00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 1: to need for a segment. Normally, it's really easy. You know,

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00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: if we're talking about Michigan running backs, Colin knows that

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00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: we're going to run Michigan offensive b role. Well, for

639
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: this one, I just put three question marks and I said,

640
00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: who knows? So I don't really know what kind of

641
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 1: b roll or elements we should be using now. So

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00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: Colin said, I'm just going to run random stuff, and

643
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Speaker 1: you make sure you tell them that we're not trying

644
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: to subtly suggest that one program's doing something because we're

645
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: showing video of them as we talk about negative recruiting.

646
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: So Colin's caveat included, now pay no attention to the

647
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 1: specific b role that he runs. Here, let's continue negative recruiting.

648
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 1: What is actually negative recruiting? The depth chart is the

649
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: most common form of negative or targeted recruiting. But you

650
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: tell me what you think is dirty. Here. If I

651
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: bring a depth chart into a kid's living room and

652
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: you and I are heads up for this kid, it's

653
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: a four star defensive end from Sarasota, Florida, and he's

654
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: down to me and you and I take your depth

655
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: chart into his living room and it's not falsified, it's accurate,

656
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: and you're just loaded at his position and I'm not,

657
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: and I show him that is that negative. Conversely, I

658
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: think we can all agree if I take your depth

659
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: chart into his living room and I count all of

660
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: your early enrollees on your depth chart, but I don't

661
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: put him on mine, and a lot of guys that

662
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 1: we know are leaving for the draft are still on

663
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: your depth chart, but all my draft departures are gone,

664
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: and it makes it look a lot easier to get

665
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: playing time at my school than your school. Yeah, that's

666
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: probably frowned upon. That's probably a little bit more in

667
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 1: the way of negative recruiting. So the old falsified roster

668
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: that's probably the most common way, but quicker playing time.

669
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: I want to circle back to that in just a second,

670
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: because I think that kind of is counterintuitive and works

671
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: in the opposite way that it's intended a lot of times. Now.

672
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: The other way that's very commonly heard about, always anonymously,

673
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 1: is the trafficking and coaching rumors. Every December, if you're

674
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: a major program, every December, your staff, someone on your staff,

675
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 1: probably multiple members on your staff, up to and possibly

676
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: including the head coach, are rumored to be on the move.

677
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: They're either going to be fired, they're on shaky ground,

678
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: or they've done such a good job that maybe they're

679
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:25,919
Speaker 1: going to get promoted and get hauled off to another

680
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: university or get an offensive coordinator position somewhere. Whereas right now,

681
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,360
Speaker 1: there are your wide receivers coach. So that's always happening,

682
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: and it's really why it's important to commit to the

683
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: school and not the coach, because no one's staff stays

684
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: in place four years. Clemson's probably the one that's come

685
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 1: the closest to it, and their entire coaching staff doesn't

686
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: even stay intact for four years at a time. But

687
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: this is usually done late in the process. My experience

688
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: in hearing about this is you don't float the rumor

689
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: that SO and so's linebackers coach is going to take

690
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: the defen it's a coordinator position at SO and so.

691
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,880
Speaker 1: You don't do it in November because that gives the

692
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: opposition enough time to dispel the rumor. No, what you

693
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: want to do is you want to float it out

694
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: there about ninety six hours seventy two hours meteorologically ninety

695
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: six seventy two hours before signing day to where it

696
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: sort of muddies the water if it's close, and maybe

697
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: that's what pushes you over the top. Is that dirty? Eh? Maybe?

698
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: Probably kind of, But I think a lot of people

699
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: do it. Now here's the one that I think has

700
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: used a lot more than people realize. Campus safety. This

701
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: one works really well with moms. If you can convince

702
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,240
Speaker 1: the mother of a recruit, cruit doesn't really care so much.

703
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: Most of the time, dad doesn't really care so much.

704
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: But if you can get in mom's ear and you

705
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 1: can convince mom that Mom, I don't listen. I hate

706
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: to be the bearer of bad news. I know you

707
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 1: said that State University leads for him. Right now. Have

708
00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: you seen the crime statistics since twenty fourteen from that

709
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: city here, you can look at it. You know it's

710
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: on paper. It must be true. I don't necessarily know

711
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: if I'd want to send Junior into that kind of environment.

712
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: He could be doing everything right and then all of

713
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: a sudden one day just being the wrong part of

714
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: town and there you go. I know of one very

715
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: high profile recruitment from very close to where I grew

716
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: up that was swayed using this tactic. Something happened in

717
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: one town. It was very unfortunate, but it was an

718
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: isolated incident. But the coaches at the other program, a

719
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,479
Speaker 1: needless to say, pounced on that and they convince mom

720
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: that place is not safe. You can't be sending your

721
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: kid there. And it worked. This kid plays in the

722
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:47,720
Speaker 1: NFL now, and it worked. So is that dirty m Yeah,

723
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: in that case it was because it was kind of falsified,

724
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: it was misrepresented, but it worked. The fun versus structure

725
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: that whole thing. We have fun here. They're all about

726
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: business there. You're not gonna have fun if you go there.

727
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: We're all about fun. No program that's winning at an

728
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,439
Speaker 1: insanely high level is about anything other than structure. Every

729
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: one of them is about structure. Even some of the

730
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: ones that aren't good are all about structure. They just

731
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: have bad structure. It's built on a flimsy foundation. Everyone's

732
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 1: about structure. And so you see this applied a lot

733
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: of times if you know you're behind in a recruitment

734
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: or if you're recruiting against one of the perennial powerhouse programs.

735
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: A lot of folks use this against Alabama. A lot

736
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: of folks use it against Ohio State. It's you know,

737
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: they're all business there. They don't really have fun. We

738
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: have fun here. I don't normally see that when work

739
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 1: out a whole lot with the guys who are wired

740
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: the way that those programs would want you to be

741
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: wired to begin with. But you could also manipulate stats,

742
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: and you can really do this with anything anyone here.

743
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 1: If you're a receiver, for example, I can convince you

744
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 1: and I can cherry pick stats all day long that we,

745
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:58,680
Speaker 1: based on these numbers, are gonna throw the ball more

746
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 1: than they do. That stuff's easy to do, and that's

747
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: done pretty much by everyone. And I don't really necessarily

748
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: know if I would consider that as dirty or negative

749
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: as some of the other things that we're talking about here.

750
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: But here's the whole thing. I wanted to circle back

751
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: to the promise of easier playing time, a quicker path

752
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: to playing time, or maybe in some cases just outright

753
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 1: promising playing time. A lot of times I have found

754
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: talking to some of the bigger staffs lately, a lot

755
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: of times that backfires. A lot of times. It's a

756
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: natural filtration process. There's this reverse psychological approach that a

757
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 1: lot of the perennial big boys take when the opposition

758
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: is trying to tell kids, well, you're not going to

759
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: start there. You're gonna get buried on the depth chart

760
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: because look at all these other good players they have.

761
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: I can tell you a lot of those big programs,

762
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: when you try that, they go to the kids' living

763
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,920
Speaker 1: room and the kid says, is all this true, and

764
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: they say, yep, it's true. We do have all those

765
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: good players, and we're not going to stop recruiting players

766
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: at your position. If you sign here, that whole you know,

767
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: Nick Saban to Julio Jones once upon a time, I'm

768
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: gonna win with you, but I'm also gonna win without you.

769
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: It sort of balls in your court. Would love to

770
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: have you, but we'll get someone just as good just

771
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: like that. If you don't come here. That scares some

772
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: kids off. But the thing about it is, if you

773
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: are on Alabama, if you are a Clemson, if you

774
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,319
Speaker 1: are in Ohio State and you're trying to cruise at

775
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: the top of the sport every year, the kind of

776
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: guys that you have to have on your roster by

777
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: default are the kind of guys that are attracted to

778
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: the challenge, that are attracted to the competition, and the

779
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: ones that you were probably gonna end up excommunicating from

780
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 1: your program two years in are the ones who are

781
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: scared away by competition to begin with. They naturally gravitate

782
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: towards the easier road. So you talk to some of

783
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: these assistant coaches and they tell you, we don't even

784
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: fight the whole depth chart thing anymore. If they're telling

785
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: the truth, we don't even sugarcoat it for kids, you know,

786
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: we use that as a natural filter so that we

787
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 1: find out whether a kid's mentally possessing what it it

788
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: takes to play here in his junior or senior year

789
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: in high school as opposed to signing him getting on

790
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,719
Speaker 1: campus and then he flakes out two years into his

791
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 1: college career, because that's what we call a wasted scholarship spot.

792
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:12,880
Speaker 1: So I like that question. I wanted to go a

793
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: little bit further in depth on it. That was a

794
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: good one. Now let's wrap it up, and let's wrap

795
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 1: it up by talking about a program that we don't

796
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: talk about as much as the other major programs on

797
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: the show, not because they're not great, but it's because

798
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: you know, you're in the middle of the season. How

799
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: often is Clemson challenged? So we have to make up

800
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: reasons sometimes to talk about clumsing. Well, Kat Train gave

801
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: us one cat Train is I don't even know if

802
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 1: he's a guy or a girl. I just I don't

803
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: know if this is shall we say, a guy or

804
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: a girl. I have my suspicion, obviously, but they cat

805
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: Train submitted a question for the Late Kick Extra podcast,

806
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: but I said, you know what, I'm not waiting for

807
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,919
Speaker 1: the podcast. Let's just do this on the Sunday night show.

808
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: So we'll wrap up with this. You can think right

809
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: along with me, and you can tell me in the

810
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: comment section what you would or how you would respond

811
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: to this. It's kind of layered, so let's dive in.

812
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 1: Kat Train says Clemson has made four of the six

813
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff championship games. They've won two of them.

814
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: Alabama's also won two of the last six. They've played

815
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: in four of them starting in twenty fifteen. If we

816
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 1: gave Clemson Alabama's schedule, do you think they would still

817
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: have won two national titles? And do you still think

818
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: that they would have played for four championships? I feel

819
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: like there have been many great SEC teams that Alabama's

820
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: had to take down in order to get to the playoff. Meanwhile,

821
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: Clemson pretty much gets to sit back and practice for

822
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: the playoff all season long, while Obama has to take

823
00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: on more obstacles. Clemson has been for real, don't get

824
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,919
Speaker 1: me wrong, but they've been blessed with an extremely weak

825
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: acc There's no doubt that still be elite, But would

826
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: their trophy case have ended up the same if they

827
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: were given Alabama schedule every year? Here's how I'm going

828
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: to unpack this. If in this hypothetical world where everyone's

829
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,840
Speaker 1: right and everyone's wrong simultaneously, because you can't know definitive answers,

830
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: But if we take Clemson back to twenty fifteen, we

831
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: drop them in the SEC, they got Bama's road. Here's

832
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: what I know, or I think I know, wouldn't change.

833
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: Here's what would not be negatively impacted. Their staff would

834
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 1: still be their staff, Their culture would still be their culture.

835
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: Both of those things have worked to a high degree

836
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: for them. And their recruiting would still be their recruiting.

837
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: They already recruit heads up with the SEC, and they

838
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: do a pretty darn good job of it. They win

839
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: their fair share of battles. So those things I don't

840
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: think would be impacted. So what I'm telling you is

841
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 1: I think the makeup of their program would be roughly

842
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: the same, which means they would be a contender every

843
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: single year. Now, what would be impacted here? You can't

844
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: know for sure how this would contribute to more wins

845
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: or more losses. I can tell you pretty certainly the

846
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: status of their roster and the overall health of their

847
00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: roster would suffer more, or the odds go up that

848
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: it would suffer more by playing better caliber athletes to

849
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: a greater degree more times per year. That's just a given.

850
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: You probably have more injuries. Can't state it definitively, but

851
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: you probably would. And also you would have to do

852
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: away with this idea that in late September you're already

853
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,919
Speaker 1: talking about peaking at the right time. You don't get

854
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: to wait and peak in say the SEC West, until

855
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 1: December or January or else. You're going to be playing

856
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: in a mid tier bowl game peaking, you gotta be

857
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: ready to go earlier than late September early October. I'm

858
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: not saying they'd be incapable of it. I'm not saying

859
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: that at all. I'm saying that would potentially be negatively impacted.

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00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: So I think that still be favored in ten or more,

861
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: eleven or more games every year that have a better

862
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: roster than most of the teams they played. What I

863
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: would be interested to see and here's where the rubber

864
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: would meet the road. And this would ultimately answer your

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00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,760
Speaker 1: question one way or the other. There is a difference

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00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: in getting a nice solid win against North Carolina State

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00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: and Wake Forest versus getting a nice solid win against

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00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: Texas A and M and Mississippi State. You'd probably to

869
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: pick Clemson to beat Mississippi State. In Texas A and M,

870
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 1: those rosters in any given year are far more littered

871
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: with future Sunday bodies, guys that are gonna play in

872
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: the NFL than your NC State Wake Forest rosters are.

873
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: The collisions don't get any less violent. Your training room

874
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: is no less full on Monday morning just cause you

875
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: beat them by seventeen points. That is the difference in

876
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: playing a schedule like Alabama plays right now in their

877
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: division at least, versus what Clemson would play. So if

878
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: I dropped them there, they'd have to deal with that.

879
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 1: Don't know really what impact it would have on their record.

880
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: But if I look back twenty fifteen, for example, that's

881
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: the first year that you mentioned in the string of

882
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: years here, Clemson goes to the National Championship Game. They

883
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 1: had one possession wins against Louisville Notre Dame South Carolina,

884
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: but they got the job done. And so they go

885
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: to the playoff and they get to the final and

886
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,359
Speaker 1: they lose the next year. This is a year they

887
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: end up winning the national championship. They had a six

888
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: point win against Auburn, they had a six point win

889
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: against Troy at home, they had a seven point win

890
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,880
Speaker 1: against NC State, they lost outright to pitt and they

891
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: beat Virginia Tech by seven, but then they won the

892
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: national championship. So the question is would they have been

893
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: able to play at that level and still even have

894
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: a shot at winning a championship? Well, I guess My

895
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: follow up is if they knew ahead of time that

896
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: they were playing Alabama or LSU or A and M

897
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: instead of Troy NC State, do we get the same

898
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 1: caliber performance, Because here's the unknowable part in this entirely

899
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:38,399
Speaker 1: unknowable question. My guess is no, they probably haven't won

900
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: the same amount that they've won. But then again, if

901
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,880
Speaker 1: Dabo was in the SEC, maybe he's built everything different

902
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: because he's built to his surroundings. Right now, they peak

903
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: later in the year and they take time to build

904
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,319
Speaker 1: up to it, and they play the roster accordingly because

905
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 1: they know they can. Well, if they didn't know they could,

906
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: then it would not take a genius to figure out

907
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: they'd probably handle them a little bit differently, So maybe

908
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 1: his program would be wired differently. Maybe they would have

909
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: injected a different kind of DNA that would be Taylor

910
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: may to surviving their current situation in the SEC in

911
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: this theoretical scenario as opposed to their former being in

912
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: the ACC. It's the best way I can answer that.

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Speaker 1: We went really long tonight. What time is it, Colin?

914
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: It's passed our bedtime. We got to get out of here.

915
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: We gotta go eat. We really appreciate you being tuned in. Hey,

916
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: quick programming note here, I meant to say this at

917
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 1: the beginning, but I guess I saved it for the end.

918
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Speaker 1: We are soon going to three shows per week. That

919
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: third show will be on Tuesday nights. We normally wait

920
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: and say normally it's our first year doing this at

921
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven, but done this independently for a

922
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Speaker 1: little while. Now normally wait to get into August camps

923
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: open up, and so we will soon be doing that.

924
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: More information on that as it becomes available. I also

925
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: wanted to challenge you to do this. You know, I

926
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Speaker 1: open up my inbox, my Twitter DMS the comment section

927
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: here for submissions for the Late Kick Extra podcast. I'm

928
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Speaker 1: also going to ask you this week and over the

929
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Speaker 1: next couple of weeks, any thoughts you have about the

930
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: show as we sort of get ready to revamp it

931
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: and touch it up, put some lipstick on it for

932
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: the season. Any suggestions you have for frequent segments that

933
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: you want to see, topics that you want touched on,

934
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: different odds and ends that you would love to see

935
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 1: added into the show that you haven't seen yet, or

936
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 1: you would love to see more of. It's your show,

937
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: so I'm asking you help us build it for the season.

938
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: Let us know exactly what you want. Twitter dms are

939
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: open at late Kick Josh email inboxes open Josh pat

940
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 1: seven zero six at gmail dot com. And if you

941
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Speaker 1: miss that, Colin's got it right there on the bottom

942
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: of the screen for you on the YouTube live section.

943
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: So subscribe to the channel if you haven't already subscribed

944
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: to the podcast, if you haven't already five star reviews.

945
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: That's really all we need from you, and everything is

946
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: free of charge. Thanks for joining us. We will see

947
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: you again same time Thursday night, eight Eastern, seven Central.

948
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Speaker 1: Until then for director Colin, for Aaron, for Tani, I'm

949
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Speaker 1: Josh Pate. Have a great and safe Week and God

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Speaker 1: blessed