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Speaker 1: Hello there, Happy Wednesday, and welcome to another episode of

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Speaker 1: It is, there is something different, and there is more

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Speaker 1: You can feel the sort of concern about I don't know,

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not going you know, there's fear of

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Speaker 1: ever contradicting him. There's fear of pushing back at him.

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Speaker 1: There's fear of telling him news he doesn't want to hear.

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Speaker 1: These were all concerned that people had on the right,

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Speaker 1: in particular with Joe Biden in twenty twenty three and

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. So again, if you're looking to to

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Speaker 1: find out who's high on the hypocrisy scale of concern,

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Speaker 1: you know, watch the people that express the most concern

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Speaker 1: about Joe Biden's faculties. See pretty much everybody in primetime

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Speaker 1: on Fox News and ask them if this behavior were

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Speaker 1: at all being you know, if this were Biden a

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Speaker 1: second term of Biden behaving this way, I wonder what

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Speaker 1: the coverage would be on primetime of Fox right. But

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Speaker 1: in all, you know, snark aside, this unfiltered behavior is

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Speaker 1: alarming for either one of two things. One, he was

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Speaker 1: told this is not good and he still can't help himself,

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Speaker 1: which means he's got a self control issue. He's got

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Speaker 1: a staff so afraid of telling him bad news that

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Speaker 1: they won't do it, and therefore he was why he

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Speaker 1: ended up doubling down on this in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Whatever the answer is, neither is good for the country.

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Speaker 1: Neither is good, by the way, for the Republican Party.

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Speaker 1: And I'll ask you know, if JD. Van's and Marco

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Speaker 1: Rubio right, they're going to have to they want to

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Speaker 1: succeed this presidency, one of them does. Look at how

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Speaker 1: unhappy the voters are with the Democratic Party, even though

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Speaker 1: they're voting for Democrats right now. Right, we saw this

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Speaker 1: in Virginia, majority had an unfavorable view of the party. Well,

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Speaker 1: what's driven that? What what's driven that? Was this idea

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Speaker 1: that they all had their head in the sand when

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Speaker 1: it came to Biden in twenty twenty four. And there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of resentment among Democrats for how Democratic leaders

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Speaker 1: look the other way when there was an obvious, slow

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Speaker 1: motion train wreck taking place with the vot voters were

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Speaker 1: concerned about long before there was a debate between Trump

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Speaker 1: and Biden on June twenty seventh, twenty twenty four. The

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Speaker 1: voters have been pretty angry about it. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think if you want to know why there's such limited

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Speaker 1: trust in Chuck Schumer by fellow Democrats and Akeem Jeffries,

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Speaker 1: it's the entire Democratic leaders in Washington are just seen

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Speaker 1: as somehow they were in kahoots and they had their

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Speaker 1: head in the sand when it came to the Biden thing. Well,

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Speaker 1: these same voters are going to have the same reaction

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Speaker 1: if it appears that Trump progressively gets worse, his behavior

477
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Speaker 1: gets more erratic, you have sort of more you know,

478
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Speaker 1: enablers not wanting to either say something, and you know

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Speaker 1: we're finding out today. Look the few sober quotes that

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Speaker 1: Susie Wiles did give a reporter and this case a

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Speaker 1: biographer and Chris Whipple. She didn't like what it looked

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Speaker 1: like once they went public, and there's a fear that

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Speaker 1: the president can't handle any sort of criticism or analytical criticism,

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Speaker 1: or even just sort of acknowledging when there are tough

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Speaker 1: moments or when there are awkward things that happen in

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Speaker 1: the administration, which only serves to concern me that when

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Speaker 1: you really need somebody to step in, are they going

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Speaker 1: to be willing to do it? Are they going to

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Speaker 1: be willing to say, hey, man, the emperor has no

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Speaker 1: clothes here. We have got to acknowledge this. We cannot

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Speaker 1: continue to pretend this isn't happening. I think it's a

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Speaker 1: legitimate concern, and I think in some ways the president's

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Speaker 1: own behavior, the odd things he has said about his

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Speaker 1: own health, and then the erratic nature of what he

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Speaker 1: did with Reiner and some other folks. I think this

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Speaker 1: is a storyline that's only going to grow. And you know,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting younger, This is not going to get better.

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Speaker 1: This is only going to become more obvious. Look, we

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Speaker 1: don't see him travel the country, and I think there's

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Speaker 1: a reason for it. Right, just like with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 1: you got to ask yourself, boy, Normally in a president

502
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Speaker 1: in this situation would be traveling the country to try

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Speaker 1: to sell his agenda and he's not doing it.

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Speaker 2: Why is that right?

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Speaker 1: That is what began the conversation for folks who were

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Speaker 1: concerned about whether Biden was up to the job. Certainly

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Speaker 1: not up for a second term. He couldn't do the

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Speaker 1: job to self to sell his agenda in the first term. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we've entered that same situation. And again, if

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Speaker 1: you were truly concerned about Biden because of his physical

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Speaker 1: ailments and not due to your own politics, then you

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Speaker 1: should be equally alarmed by the currents situation with our

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Speaker 1: current president and the situation that he's in. Now. All right,

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Speaker 1: before I go to my interview, I want to share

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Speaker 1: with you a poll that came to me via the

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Speaker 1: search Light Institute. Now, if you recall that may seem

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Speaker 1: familiar to some of you listeners out there, I had

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Speaker 1: interviewed the founder of search Light Institute, which is search

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Speaker 1: Light is the hometown search Light, Nevada is the hometown

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Speaker 1: of Harry Reid. Adam Gentilssen, of former Harry Reid staffer,

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Speaker 1: started this up and it's basically an attempt to try

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Speaker 1: to move the Democratic Party in a more pragmatic direction.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't even say ideologically moderate, just more of a

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Speaker 1: mainstream sort of try to make the party more big

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Speaker 1: ten again between progressive in the center a little bit

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Speaker 1: and so. But they did a poll on corruption, and

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Speaker 1: why I find it interesting, it's sort of it was

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Speaker 1: sort of the question is what is corrupt? What do

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Speaker 1: the voters think is corrupt versus sort of what the

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Speaker 1: definition perhaps we in the media have, you know, you know,

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Speaker 1: when I say think of the word corrupt, I think

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Speaker 1: of like, who's ripping off taxpayers? Right? But what's interesting

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Speaker 1: is what the voters themselves view as corrupt. And they

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Speaker 1: asked a terrific question, and the question was this, if

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Speaker 1: you describe a politician as corrupt, what are you saying

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Speaker 1: about them? And then they offer, please select one that

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Speaker 1: comes closest to your view, and the number one answer

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Speaker 1: was not somebody that was stealing taxpayer dollars. It was

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Speaker 1: using public office for personal financial gain.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That could mean insider trading on stocks. That could mean

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Speaker 1: finding out that you're buying a piece of property that's

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Speaker 1: about to be zone for a government funded highway or

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Speaker 1: something like this, that somehow your net worth grows that

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Speaker 1: your own relatives get to start a lobbying business and

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Speaker 1: use your last name to get on a board, say

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Speaker 1: with a company in Ukraine, or they use your last

548
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Speaker 1: name to start a meme coin and you make money

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Speaker 1: off of the crypto market. Jeez, I don't know what

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Speaker 1: two families might might have qualified for that, but that

551
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Speaker 1: was the number one definition of corrupt. The number two

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Speaker 1: most popular definition of corrupt politician was this they change

553
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Speaker 1: rules to hold onto power instead of improving lives. Well,

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Speaker 1: basically that's re redistricting. They simply want to pick voters,

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Speaker 1: pick voters that they don't have to persuade. They pick

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Speaker 1: more voters that are already on their side, so they

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Speaker 1: don't have to do the hard work of representative democracy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That was the second most popular. The third most popular

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Speaker 1: definition was they only serve wealthy donors instead of regular people. Well,

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Speaker 1: I just told you about we're going to have our

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Speaker 1: first billion dollar center rights. Do you think that ten

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Speaker 1: dollars donor to a Senate race as much as one

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollar or even the one the ten million

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Speaker 1: dollar donor I've had. I've had donor sources of mine

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Speaker 1: who only give six figure donations okay, which for just

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Speaker 1: about all of us, writing a check for one hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars or more is a lot of money. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's purchasing a home type of money that

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Speaker 1: you write that to send your kid to college type

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Speaker 1: of money. And they're considered they're not considered big donors anymore.

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Speaker 1: They're just considered middle class donors.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lawmaker will spend a lot more time

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Speaker 1: persuading that finding a ten one ten million dollar donor

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Speaker 1: then they will looking for one thousand, one hundred thousand

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Speaker 1: dollar donors because that's you know, it's the law of efficiency.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The fourth most popular is they let corporate influence overwhelm

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Speaker 1: the influence of voters. Arguably that's arguably the big donors.

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Speaker 1: And then in the single digits you have they trade

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Speaker 1: favors with lobbyists or special interests. They cater only to

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Speaker 1: the extremes that don't look out for everyone. What's interesting

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Speaker 1: is that none of the definitions were they steal money.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So the point is is that what the word you know,

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Speaker 1: and I it is what the voters think is corrupt

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Speaker 1: is fascinating, and I think that it is in some ways.

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Speaker 1: It is sort of like you're you're you're ripping off

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Speaker 1: the democracy, right. And what I appreciate about this about

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Speaker 1: where the donors are the voters are on this. Listen

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Speaker 1: to me, the donors the voters are on this, is

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Speaker 1: that they're a little more sophisticated on what's corrupt. They

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Speaker 1: say that, hey, that that corrupts the democracy, that gets

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Speaker 1: in the way of you representing the average person. And

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Speaker 1: this is a case where the voters are ahead of

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Speaker 1: the politicians, right. The politicians don't speak of corruption this way. Right,

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Speaker 1: they speak of corruption like breaking the law, corruption thinking,

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Speaker 1: because I think they're all afraid that if you define

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Speaker 1: corruption the way the public defines it, which is profiting,

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Speaker 1: you know, having you know, essentially personal financial gain while

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Speaker 1: serving in office, you know, trying to just stay into office,

603
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Speaker 1: always worrying about raising money, always catering to donors. A

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Speaker 1: lot of politicians, if you said, do you think that's corrupt, like, wow,

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Speaker 1: the system's corrupt, but I'm not, you know, they might

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Speaker 1: blame the system.

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Speaker 2: They wish they wouldn't do it that way.

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Speaker 1: But the fact that voters think this is anyway just

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Speaker 1: it's interesting and it also tells me that voters are man,

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Speaker 1: the pitchforks are out, the pitchforks are ready, and I

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Speaker 1: don't think.

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Speaker 2: I do not think.

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Speaker 1: Large corporations and the tech industry is aware of this

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Speaker 1: and is ready for what's coming. And I certainly think

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Speaker 1: leaders in both parties don't fully appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Here's another question that came through that I want to

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Speaker 2: share it.

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Speaker 1: How well do you think government serves each of the

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Speaker 1: following groups? Okay, the very wealthy, eighty six percent said

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Speaker 1: they think government serves the very wealthy somewhat or very well,

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Speaker 1: eighty six percent. About businesses, all right, seventy four percent

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Speaker 1: say the government serves it serves businesses somewhat or very well.

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Speaker 1: How about racial and ethnic minorities, Well, guess what, Only

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Speaker 1: thirty six percent believe government serves them well. Fifty seven

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Speaker 1: percent believes they do not serve racial or ethnic minorities

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Speaker 1: very well at all, or not well at all completely

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Speaker 1: or not not well completely all. How about you personally?

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Speaker 1: You personally, that number is thirty is just under forty percent.

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Speaker 1: So this isn't one of those cases where well, I

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Speaker 1: think Congress is, but I like my member of Congress,

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Speaker 1: I don't think Congress looks out for the interest of

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Speaker 1: everybody else, but they also look out for me. Nope,

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Speaker 1: you know they most people think they they're served slightly

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Speaker 1: better in government than racial and ethnic minorities, but not

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Speaker 1: too well. And then when you throw out ordinary people,

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Speaker 1: that number is.

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Speaker 2: That means.

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Speaker 1: Three and four voters believe ordinary people are not served

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Speaker 1: well at all in some form or another by government.

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Speaker 2: What it tells you is that there's a.

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Speaker 1: There's an appetite out there for government reform, for democracy reform.

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Speaker 1: You just have to frame it in a way that

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Speaker 1: just say, hey, do you want government to serve you better?

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Speaker 1: This is why it doesn't serve you well. The system

645
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: is rigged against you, which I think the folks believe

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Speaker 1: the system is rigged against them. They just have yet

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Speaker 1: to find a politician that has sold them a struck

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Speaker 1: sure that makes sense and that they believe will work.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: That I think is the missing piece here, right. Bertie

651
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Speaker 1: Sanders and a Donald Trump have convinced seventy percent of

652
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Speaker 1: America that the system's rigged against them. Okay, that's that's

653
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:15,240
Speaker 1: the beginning. What there is an agreement on is whether

654
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Speaker 1: government itself is redeemable to do it, and whether it's

655
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Speaker 1: you're going to need a singular individual.

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00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,720
Speaker 2: That's what Donald Trump believes that.

657
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: You can't the system can't be trusted to do it,

658
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 1: versus Bertie Sanders, who said, well, you got topend the

659
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: entire system, but then the system can be can be

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00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: can be trusted on this. Here's one more question to

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Speaker 1: share with you, just to show you.

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Speaker 2: The definition of how.

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Speaker 1: Much corruption do you think there is in the Trump administration? Well,

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Speaker 1: among independents, forty percent said there's a great deal and

665
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: another twelve percent said there's a moderate amount. So fifty

666
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: two percent said there's at least a great deal or

667
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: a moderate amount of coruption in the Trump administration. And

668
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: if you throw in the nine percent that say a

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Speaker 1: small amount, right, so there's only thirty nine percent says

670
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Speaker 1: that there's no corruption at all in the Trump administration.

671
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Speaker 1: All right, but guess what how much corruption do you

672
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 1: think there was in the Biden administration? Well, twenty eight

673
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: percent said there was a great deal, another thirteen percent

674
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Speaker 1: said there was a moderate amount, another twelve percent said

675
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Speaker 1: there was a small amount, Which means you had a

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Speaker 1: majority that believed there was some corruption. You only had

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Speaker 1: forty seven percent. So you have thirty nine percent believe

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Speaker 1: there's no corruption in Trump administration, and you have forty

679
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Speaker 1: seven percent believing there's no corruption. This is just among independents,

680
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Speaker 1: but a majority of independents believe there's some form of

681
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Speaker 1: corruption in the Biden administration. A majority of independents say

682
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Speaker 1: there's some form of corruption in the Trump administration. Look,

683
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Speaker 1: the point they're trying to say. I think the point

684
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Speaker 1: that Searchlight is trying to say is we look framing.

685
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: Framing reform issues through the lens of corruption might get

686
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: people's attention better. Right, if you talk about the financing

687
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: of campaigns through a through the prism of corruption. If

688
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: you talk about the lack of regulation of big tech

689
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: through the prism of corruption, if you talk about entrenched

690
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: power in term limits through the prism of corruption, you're

691
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: more likely to get an audience to listen to you,

692
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Speaker 1: and most importantly, you're going to be able to talk

693
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Speaker 1: to the voters who are the most skeptical of the

694
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Speaker 1: two parties right now, those that are self described independence

695
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 1: are no parties. So anyway, in this moment that we're

696
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: living in, right, we're basically, you know, we've got back

697
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: to back presidencies where we're not quite sure that the

698
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Speaker 1: actual president you know, is up to the job, you know,

699
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Speaker 1: has the temperament of the faculties to do the job

700
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Speaker 1: the way it needs to be done. You also then

701
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: have a growing coalition of voters that are believing the

702
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: system itself is rotting. And this is this Look.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's about.

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Speaker 1: Affordability at home, and in order to speak to a

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Speaker 1: certain segment of voters, you're going to have to make

706
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Speaker 1: it about that. But connecting the struggle to affordability through

707
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: corruption is potentially a potent force. And I will just

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Speaker 1: tell you this. Anytime we've had big changes in election,

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Speaker 1: big midterm waves, there's always been an element of corruption

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Speaker 1: that has helped fuel it. You know, in nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 1: we had members of Congress. We were just two years

712
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Speaker 1: removed from a check where members of Congress could bounce

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Speaker 1: checks without having a bank account. It was just weird

714
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Speaker 1: system where only Congress could write checks for money that

715
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Speaker 1: they didn't have.

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Speaker 2: It was crazy.

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Speaker 1: And if you want to know more about it, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'll go back on my time machine in a couple

719
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Speaker 1: months we'll talk about it. But but go take a

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Speaker 1: look in two thousand and six, there was sort of

721
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Speaker 1: the corruption of Jack Abramoff and Tom Delay was that

722
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Speaker 1: arguably in twenty ten and in twenty fourteen, Republicans were

723
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Speaker 1: using more of sort of the fear of sort of

724
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Speaker 1: the growth of government. It was less so less so

725
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 1: corruption fueling that one. But when you see for the

726
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Speaker 1: most our corruption usually plays role, especially when you see

727
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Speaker 1: a total flip. Right ninety four, both the House that

728
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Speaker 1: Republicans went, both the House and the Senate. There was this,

729
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: you know, movement for term limits, movement for against entrenched power.

730
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Speaker 1: You had the check bouncing scandal, et cetera. Two thousand

731
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Speaker 1: and six also saw both houses flip. In this case

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Speaker 1: it was Republican a Democrat, you know, the addition of

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Speaker 1: the Jack Abramoff stuff and sort of the takeover of

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Speaker 1: K Street.

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Speaker 2: You know that had it.

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Speaker 1: And I do think that is a potential potent force

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Speaker 1: here if if Democrats figure out how to tap into

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Speaker 1: it in a credible way. Right, It's important It's important

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Speaker 1: to note they think, you know, independence think Trump's corrupt,

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Speaker 1: more corrupt than Biden.

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Speaker 2: But they also.

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Speaker 1: Majority thought the Biden administration was corrupt too, So it's

743
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Speaker 1: not the easiest road for Democrats to go down. But

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Speaker 1: got my top five list. It is Wednesday to Top

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Speaker 1: five top estop and I thought i'd give you the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to give you maybe the Chuck Todd Holiday Book

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Speaker 1: buying gift guide, if you will. These are five books

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Speaker 1: that I think are worth reading this year. Doesn't mean

776
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: they are my five favorite books of the year, but

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00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 1: they were five books that I found informative, important.

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Speaker 2: Or interesting or a little bit of both.

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Speaker 1: So number five on that list is a book that

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Speaker 1: did not come out this year. It actually came out

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00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: a few years ago, and it's not a book that

782
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,840
Speaker 1: got a lot of attention. But it is now a

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00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: book that I would recommend to anybody that works in

784
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: the world of finance or works in the world of business,

785
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: that they need to go pick up a copy in

786
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: the next few weeks and read. And it is called

787
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,759
Speaker 1: The Drift, and it is by Kevin Hassett. So why

788
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: do I say you need to write this book read

789
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 1: this book? Well, this is a book that got very

790
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: little attention when it came out. He wrote this book

791
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: probably assuming he was never going to work in another

792
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,479
Speaker 1: Trump administration. The book came out just after the twenty

793
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,879
Speaker 1: twenty election. Kevin Hassett worked in the first trumpet. He's

794
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Speaker 1: one of the few people that worked in a high

795
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,240
Speaker 1: profile position in the first Trump administration as an economic

796
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Speaker 1: advisor and has made it to a second Trump administration.

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Speaker 1: It's basically him. Steven Miller, right, and I guess Russell

798
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: Voight was was there, but more in a in a

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Speaker 1: lower capacity. But Kevin Hassett very well, maybe the next

800
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Speaker 1: chair of the Federal Reserve, and so understanding his worldview

801
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 1: and much of his worldview, he's sort of The point

802
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: of The Drift is he basically defends the Trump era,

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00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: defends his work with Trump and the Trump era. As look,

804
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Speaker 1: there may be a lot of things not to like

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00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 1: about Donald Trump the person, which he's sort of, which

806
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: he hinsid in this book, but that he was a

807
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 1: necessary correction for what was a drift towards socialism that

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Speaker 1: was taking place not just inside the Democratic Party but

809
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Speaker 1: in various institutions of academy and the media, etc. It

810
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: is how he frames his book. Regardless of whether you

811
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: agree with that framing or not, I would argue, if

812
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: you want to be a well informed person about understanding

813
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: where's the FED going, what does Hassett believe? How does

814
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,440
Speaker 1: he interpret Trump's beliefs? How does he defend Trump? Kevin

815
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: asked somebody who sort of came up in the world

816
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 1: of the same world that Alan Greenspan came up through.

817
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Speaker 1: You know, he was sort of an acolyte at times

818
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 1: of green Span. So I think it is It is

819
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: as illuminating as any ex staffer book is going to be,

820
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: because what this book wasn't unlike say Pence's book or

821
00:48:55,600 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: John Bolton's book. It is it's a total evisceration of

822
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. It is more of an observation. You know,

823
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: there's he takes pride. So it is not an antagonistic

824
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 1: book on Trump, but I think it's one of these.

825
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: I don't think people realized he wrote a book. It

826
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Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of attention. It's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: it's not the I'm not going to tell you it's

828
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Speaker 1: the world's greatest read, but I think it's an important read.

829
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Speaker 1: I know some of you listen to my podcast just

830
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 1: for you know, whether you love or hate the direction

831
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Speaker 1: I take this podcast. You were looking for usable information, Well,

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Speaker 1: I would tell you reading this book will give you

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Speaker 1: plenty of usable information to navigate a FED and a

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Speaker 1: central bank that could be run by Kevin Hassett. And

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Speaker 1: you get to get ahead of the game, get to

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Speaker 1: know the book before senators start asking him questions during

837
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Speaker 1: his confirmation hearing about the book. All right, so that's

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Speaker 1: number five. Number four is the Mark Twain book by

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Speaker 1: Ron Churnout. I enjoyed it for the most part, but

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, not as much as I enjoyed his

841
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Speaker 1: Grant Book. I did enjoy his Grant Book more, but

842
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Speaker 1: I learned a lot about Mark Twain, and in some ways,

843
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Speaker 1: Mark Twain is arguably, you know, the closest thing that

844
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Speaker 1: we had in the nineteenth century to a quote unquote influencer, right,

845
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: an outsider and outside force who could who could stir

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Speaker 1: the pot of the country and could galvanize the country

847
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Speaker 1: on certain issues if he so chose. You know, now

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Speaker 1: we have a million Mark Twain's right. You know, would

849
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Speaker 1: today's Mark. Would Mark Twain himself be on YouTube? He

850
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Speaker 1: probably would. He certainly would have a Would he have

851
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Speaker 1: a podcast or would he be more.

852
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Speaker 2: Of a monologue kind of guy?

853
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Speaker 1: Right? Would he interview others or would he just simply

854
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Speaker 1: opine on a given day?

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Speaker 2: But it's a.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy sure now because he's what I do. The

857
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: best part of his books. It isn't just learning more

858
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: about the individual he's talking about, but he's just does

859
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: a great job of capturing the era as well. You know,

860
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Speaker 1: it's the little details, it's that stuff, trying to understand

861
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Speaker 1: the world that these folks were living in at the time,

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Speaker 1: not just trying to understand the psyche of them in

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Speaker 1: that moment. So but I think that Twain in some

864
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Speaker 1: ways the quintessential American, a model for so many, so

865
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Speaker 1: many of us, good, bad or otherwise just a it's

866
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Speaker 1: a timely it's a timely moment. It's timely, you know

867
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Speaker 1: it's it's timely. It's a wrong word. No, it's more

868
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Speaker 1: of a timeless biography, if you will. But I think

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Speaker 1: an important one, and it came out this year, so

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Speaker 1: I definitely think it should be on your gift liss.

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Speaker 2: Number three is one that you may not be surprised.

872
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Speaker 1: That I'm pushing again, and it's the right Thompson book

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Speaker 1: called The Barn. I don't know if it technically came

874
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Speaker 1: out this year or not. I don't think it did.

875
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Speaker 1: I think it came out last year. But as you know,

876
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Speaker 1: you know it's this first of all, it's just this

877
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: is a really just a great book to read. It

878
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: is if you want to write, what it's like to

879
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: read somebody who just is just better with words than

880
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: most people in your life are.

881
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Speaker 2: That's right Thompson.

882
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Speaker 1: And I love I hope you had a chance to

883
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Speaker 1: listen to the interview with him. Those of you that did,

884
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've already bought the book. It is such

885
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Speaker 1: a compelling read. But the sort of the idea behind

886
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: the book, right that here was something that happened within

887
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 1: twenty five miles of where he grew up right. Emmett

888
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 1: Till killed in a barn just within essentially the same

889
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: neighbor you know, in the same larger community that he

890
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: grew up in, that right Thompson grew up in, and

891
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 1: he didn't know anything about it. It's amazing how little

892
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: of our own, a little of our local history. We

893
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: sometimes know the good or the bad history. And so

894
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: in some ways, reading the book, I hope a lesson

895
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Speaker 1: to hey, don't forget to look around where you live.

896
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: Don't forget to learn the history of your own neighborhood.

897
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Speaker 1: You may be surprised on how much you learn and

898
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: how much it may matter in the in the grand

899
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Speaker 1: scheme of things. So that's number three. Number four on

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Speaker 1: my list is one hundred and seven Days Kamala Harris's

901
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Speaker 1: memoir about her campaign.

902
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Speaker 2: Look.

903
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Speaker 1: I've spent a lot of time talking about the book

904
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Speaker 1: when it came out, but I did enjoy it. I

905
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: you know, we can debate whether this was good for

906
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Speaker 1: her future political career or bad for her future political career, but.

907
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Speaker 2: Guess what it felt like. It was.

908
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: Sometimes these memoirs are so dishonest art or they're honest,

909
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:07,879
Speaker 1: but they're but they're sanitized. This didn't feel very sanitized.

910
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: This felt different, and you know, it's interesting about her.

911
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: I was having this.

912
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Speaker 1: Conversation with Crystalism and he said, you know, who had

913
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Speaker 1: the He asked who had the worst, best or worst

914
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty eight. You know, we both agreed that Gavin Newsom,

915
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Speaker 1: for anybody think about running for president of the Democratic side,

916
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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom probably had the best twenty twenty eight. He

917
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Speaker 1: believes that Kamala Harris at the worst. I don't. I

918
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Speaker 1: disagreed with him on it. I understood the case saying, well,

919
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: you know, she made everybody mad, and it's true, right,

920
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: she seems to have she seems to have thrown a

921
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Speaker 1: few matches at a few of the bridges that she's

922
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Speaker 1: crossed over the years. Right then, maybe she burned a

923
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Speaker 1: bridge with Biden World, Maybe she burned a bridge with

924
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Speaker 1: Josh Shapiro, Maybe she burned a bridge with Mark Kelly.

925
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:01,080
Speaker 1: Maybe she burned a bridge with Gavin Newsom. But there

926
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: was another part of me that was surprised at her

927
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 1: candor and she didn't play the type. You know, she's

928
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Speaker 1: been a politician that's been very careful over the years,

929
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Speaker 1: and she chose to be less careful in this memoir.

930
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Speaker 1: Is this a different Kamala Harris? Is this the beginning

931
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Speaker 1: of a different relationship she wants to have with with

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Speaker 1: her political career, a different way she would go about

933
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Speaker 1: running for office.

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Speaker 2: The point is is that I think there's.

935
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Speaker 1: A lot to learn about one hundred and scent about

936
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Speaker 1: sort of the state of the Democratic Party Circle twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four. But I found it quite compelling, and it was,

938
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Speaker 1: you know, not a hard read. Especially you know, it

939
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Speaker 1: was sort of like it's like reading the director's notes

940
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Speaker 1: on a movie you already saw, but in some ways

941
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Speaker 1: the director's notes help you understand the movie even a

942
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Speaker 1: little bit better.

943
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Speaker 2: I think you will.

944
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Speaker 1: You're not wasting your time by reading this book. I

945
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 1: think there's something to learn the number one book, and

946
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Speaker 1: I'm in the middle of it now, but I think

947
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Speaker 1: it is absolutely consequential reading Sarka twenty twenty five is

948
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Speaker 1: a book called Fateful Hours. It is by Vulkar Ulrich

949
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Speaker 1: and it's been translated from the original German by a

950
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Speaker 1: gentleman named Jefferson Chase, and it is a new take

951
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Speaker 1: on the collapse of the Weimar Republic, the democracy that

952
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Speaker 1: was in place after World War one and before the

953
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Speaker 1: rise of Hitler. Why did it fall? How did it collapse?

954
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Speaker 1: What were the warning signs. There's a lot of commentary

955
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Speaker 1: about how democracies fail, how republics die. Well, this is

956
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:45,719
Speaker 1: an example of a republic that died one hundred years

957
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: ago and in its place came made off Hitler. How

958
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: did it happen? How could such a modern westernized place

959
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: do this. Let's just say I have found it both

960
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Speaker 1: reassuring and arming, but most importantly it's eye opening.

961
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Speaker 2: And look, I is the they must.

962
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Read article of the month that I gave you last

963
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Speaker 1: episode from the political quarterly of the Council on Foreign

964
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: Relations called Foreign Affairs, about this idea that we the

965
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Speaker 1: United States, have slipped from a democracy to something called

966
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Speaker 1: competitive authoritarianism. Let's just say this is a pretty good

967
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Speaker 1: companion read, and I think one that will round out.

968
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Speaker 1: You read all five of these books. Okay, you read

969
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Speaker 1: all five of these books, and I think you will

970
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Speaker 1: be as well informed and as ready for the political

971
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Speaker 1: landscape that we are all having to navigate going in

972
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Speaker 1: to twenty twenty six. So my five books, The Drift

973
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Speaker 1: by Kevin Hassett, The Mark Twain Biography by Ron Chernoud,

974
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Speaker 1: the Barn, the place where Ed Mattil was killed by

975
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Speaker 1: Wright Thompson one hundred and seven days by Kamala Harris,

976
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Speaker 1: and my number one recommendation book that you should be

977
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Speaker 1: reading going into twenty twenty six fateful hours, the collapse

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Speaker 1: of the wim Are Republic.

979
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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 1: There's your shopping list for the political junkie in your life.

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Speaker 2: Chuck Ask Chuck. First question today comes from Jason in

1001
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Speaker 2: NY otherwise known as New York.

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Speaker 1: He goes, Hey, I really appreciate the bonus episodes that

1003
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Speaker 1: you put out recently as political events have warnted, I

1004
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: too believed that the Indiana GOP's rebuke of Trump and

1005
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Speaker 1: Trump's revolting comments about Rob Reiner were significant enough moments

1006
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Speaker 1: to call for quick reactions. Hope to see if more

1007
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Speaker 1: of those in the future.

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00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,919
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate it. Look, I go hot and cold

1009
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Speaker 2: on that.

1010
00:59:57,280 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: I don't want to be I'm not you know, somebody

1011
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 1: who's just chasing you know, I don't want to be

1012
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: here quote chasing the news, if you will. But I

1013
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: also think that that if I think I have something

1014
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: to add and trying to add a perspective about how

1015
01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 1: you should think about a major event. That's when I

1016
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: try to try to chime in on that. And I

1017
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: think these were both significant events, and I think that

1018
01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: they're going to trigger larger discussions.

1019
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 2: Right.

1020
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: I think the INDIANAGOP rebuke is a reminder that something

1021
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: that I've been sort of forecasting for the last three months.

1022
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: I send you back to a sub steck I think

1023
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,520
Speaker 1: I wrote in late September early October, which the cracks

1024
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: in the coalition were beginning to show. And then you know,

1025
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: right after that piece, we've seen more and more examples

1026
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 1: of it, right, whether it's Marjorie Taylor Green, whether it's

1027
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Speaker 1: the Indiana Republicans, and YadA, YadA, YadA. So it is,

1028
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, it is part of this is just time, right,

1029
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: No political movement has that I can think of in

1030
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 1: our history, has been able to go more than more

1031
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,160
Speaker 1: than eight to ten years. And we're sort of we're

1032
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 1: at the end, right, We're at the We're at the We're.

1033
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Speaker 2: At the beginning of the end. We're not the end.

1034
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Speaker 2: It's not the end of the end, it's at the

1035
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Speaker 2: end of the beginning. Okay.

1036
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Speaker 1: I think that's that we're past the end of the beginning.

1037
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: I think we're at the beginning of the end, and

1038
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 1: this is you know, it's everything is going to get

1039
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: It's going to get worse for him everything. You know,

1040
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,680
Speaker 1: You're going to see the Republicans fracture a little bit

1041
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 1: more the closer.

1042
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 2: We get to election day.

1043
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,080
Speaker 1: So look, I'm not saying some new outside event that

1044
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,360
Speaker 1: none of us have thought of won't create a rally

1045
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,880
Speaker 1: around the flag effect. There's always there are always possibilities.

1046
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: There's always the one percent, the two percent chances where

1047
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Speaker 1: things go another direction. But on the trajectory we're on

1048
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: and assuming sort of you know, events that take place

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Speaker 1: within the normal sort of set of expectations that we have,

1050
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Speaker 1: this is only going to get more acute. And then,

1051
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: of course, on the writer thing, I really think it.

1052
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:04,680
Speaker 1: I think there's a reason I'm framing it as a

1053
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: do we need to be thinking about whether he's this

1054
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:13,760
Speaker 1: is the beginning of his own downfall of is just

1055
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Speaker 1: his basic capacity. If you don't have a filter for

1056
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:22,120
Speaker 1: something like this anymore, what else is not going so well?

1057
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Speaker 1: So I think this is one of those that we

1058
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Speaker 1: needed this. This for me is a bit more alarming

1059
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: because either staff was afraid to tell him this was

1060
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Speaker 1: crazy or they did and he did it anyway, right,

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Speaker 1: And so these felt significant enough. So I appreciate you noticing,

1062
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Speaker 1: but I promise you I don't want to go down,

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Speaker 1: you know, chasing every squirrel down that road.

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Speaker 2: All right. Next question comes from Eric.

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Speaker 1: From another question from New York. Given the competitiveness of

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Speaker 1: Ohio and Iowa US center races, do you think a

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Speaker 1: Democrat could win the Florida center race?

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Speaker 2: Thanks?

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Speaker 1: Eric, Well, look, all the ingredients are they are for

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Speaker 1: a competitive race. You have an appointed senator. The history

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Speaker 1: of appointed senators in general indicate that, you know, they're

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Speaker 1: the most you know, they're more vulnerable than even a

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Speaker 1: first term senator trying to seek reelection. Appointed senators, you know,

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Speaker 1: have the have the worst of all worlds, right they

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Speaker 1: they have the they're an incumbent without any of the

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Speaker 1: upside of incumbency. They only have the downsides of it.

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Speaker 1: So there's that, right, And Ashley Moody's you know, she's

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Speaker 1: not a well known political figure yet, but Florida's very expensive,

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Speaker 1: and that Florida Democratic Party is just structurally so far behind,

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Speaker 1: you know, shared Brown has an organization that these almost

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Speaker 1: turn key for Ohio Democrats. And even though that's a

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Speaker 1: state where overall the Democratic Party is in worshi Democratic

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Speaker 1: maybe brand is in worship in Ohio than it is

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Speaker 1: in Florida. Structurally, they're already more competitive Iowa be in

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Speaker 1: a smaller state. They have a very strong gubernatorial candidate

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Speaker 1: in Rob Sand That also helps it be competitive. I

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Speaker 1: do think that if the governor's race gets competitive, then

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Speaker 1: the Senate race will automatically start to get more competitive.

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Speaker 1: Keep an eye out on Jared Moscowitz. I think if

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Speaker 1: he ends up running. He's a member of Congress. He's

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Speaker 1: been on this podcast, he said. I asked him point

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Speaker 1: blank if he was thinking about running statewide and he said, well,

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Speaker 1: if they redistrict me and he would be among the targets.

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Speaker 1: And I do think Florida still might. I mean, I'll

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Speaker 1: be curious to see whether Indiana's rejection of redistricting if

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Speaker 1: it means the fever's broken. But if we do have

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Speaker 1: two more states that engage in this, it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: Florida in Virginia, one for the Team Red and one

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Speaker 1: for Team Blue. And we'll see what kind of We'll

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Speaker 1: know pretty quickly. I think Jared moscow It's could be

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Speaker 1: a very powerful Senate candidate if because he said, if

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Speaker 1: he gets redistrict he represents of northern Broward County southern

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Speaker 1: Palm Beach County, they could sort of make it a

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Speaker 1: bit you know already was only sort of a I

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Speaker 1: think a plus two Harris district. He could turn. It

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Speaker 1: could turn into something that he's buyinging. And he basically

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Speaker 1: said if if they go after his district, then he'll

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Speaker 1: probably just run for the Senate. There's a candidate in

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Speaker 1: there now, somebody who's a school board part of the

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Speaker 1: school board wars with the Moms of Liberty. It's an

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Speaker 1: organization on the left that went after Moms for Liberty

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Speaker 1: and somebody there. But you know she's got a You're

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Speaker 1: not going to get a financial commitment unless you get

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Speaker 1: a higher profile candidate. Moscowtz might be a high profile

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Speaker 1: enough where he could bring a decent a decent financial

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Speaker 1: following with him. But I don't think the Senate race

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Speaker 1: gets competitive without the governor's race being competitive, and that's

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Speaker 1: an open question. I do think that Democrats ended up

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Speaker 1: with two pretty good candidates in the governor's race, and

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Speaker 1: David Johny and Jerry dem One could argue one of

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Speaker 1: them out a run in the center race, that they've

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Speaker 1: got too many good candidates in the governor's race, not

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Speaker 1: enough good candidates in the Senate race. But we'll say,

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Speaker 1: but I do think it should be. But the cost

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Speaker 1: is it's so prohibitive. I think they're more likely to

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Speaker 1: spend money targeting Mississippi and trying to put Mississippi in play,

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Speaker 1: which is not as far fetched as you might think,

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Speaker 1: because five million dollars, you know, an extra five to

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Speaker 1: ten million dollars in Mississippi would have a huge impact.

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Speaker 1: An extra five to ten million dollars in Florida would

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Speaker 1: have minimal impact. Next question comes from tboor Shinto from Toronto.

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Speaker 1: He says, longtime listener watcher from Toronto here, I have

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Speaker 1: a possibly naive question about journalism in the US. Why

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Speaker 1: didn't reporters directly challenge the president when he makes inappropriate

1135
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Speaker 1: offensive statements like the ones about Rob Ryner are calling

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Speaker 1: journalists stupid. Many in the media react on TV or

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Speaker 1: in print, but rarely pushed back to his face in

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Speaker 1: the moment. Why isn't anyone asked him directly why he

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01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 1: behaves that way, maybe using more polite language, just curious

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: why no one takes that shot. Thanks for all the

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,200
Speaker 1: great insights. Well, I would argue in the first term,

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01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: we all did. I would ask him questions about it.

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01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: I confronted him directly an off the record meeting during

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01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,439
Speaker 1: when he was president elect, basically saying when he name

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01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: checks our correspondence in the field, he puts their lives

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Speaker 1: at risk, He puts a spotlight on him in ways

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Speaker 1: that I believe he didn't intend, is how I put it.

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01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 1: But you know, there's a reason I think in Trump

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01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: two point zero why so many people in these same

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01:07:38,360 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: positions that some of us were in have chosen not

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01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: to do it Because none of you know, nobody wants

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01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:47,920
Speaker 1: to be fodder to help somebody else's social media following,

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01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:56,240
Speaker 1: And so I think there's this belief that it doesn't

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Speaker 1: do what you think it's going to do, and if anything,

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01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:04,000
Speaker 1: it only it only.

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Speaker 2: It only puts you.

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Speaker 1: In a position of having to debate the president, right,

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01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 1: which is you're.

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Speaker 2: Just so it's.

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Speaker 1: A lot of us don't want to be a story,

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Speaker 1: and we don't want to insert ourselves, not out of fear,

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01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:26,439
Speaker 1: out of distraction. We don't want to be used as

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Speaker 1: a you know, I didn't like it. I always whenever

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01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: I got a whiff of a guest trying to use

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01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: an appearance to raise money to don't fundraise, you know,

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Speaker 1: I did my best to gum that up. There's a

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Speaker 1: fairly memorable back and forth I had with Ted Cruz

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01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 1: one time that it was clear he accepted the invitation

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Speaker 1: only to try to use me as an attempt for

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Speaker 1: political fundraising fodder. But the own of the conversation went

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01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 1: in such a way that he would have been a

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Speaker 1: self owned had he tried it. I didn't realize that's

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Speaker 1: what he was up to until about halfway through the interview,

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01:09:10,360 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, now I know why you

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01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 1: came on. And it was just anyway it was during

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Speaker 1: the first impeachment. If you want to go back and

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Speaker 1: go find that back and forth that I had with him,

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01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,640
Speaker 1: let's just say I'll just use three letters to give

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 1: you a hint about where the conversation went to JFK

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01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: and I'll just let you know and you can sort

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Speaker 1: of imagine where the where that part of the conversation went.

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01:09:35,920 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: So I think that's the That's why you know, it

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01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like it gets you anywhere, and it I

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01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 1: don't want to say journalists don't do it out of fear.

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01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,680
Speaker 1: Fear is the wrong word. I think terms of it's

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Speaker 1: sort of like is it effective? Like ultimately, what is

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01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 1: our role? Is your role to get information out to understand?

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01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: I could tell you the private conversations I've had with

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01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 1: him about this. I'm like, why do you you know

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01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:04,600
Speaker 1: you do that?

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01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:05,200
Speaker 2: You know?

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01:10:06,439 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: He he sort of has always viewed the press as

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01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: playing a part, like almost like the chorus and a

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01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:18,640
Speaker 1: Shakespeare play, that we're all playing a role, and his

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01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,640
Speaker 1: role is to go after the press. The press is

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Speaker 1: sort of that, you know, I've always equated it. He

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Speaker 1: sees us all as if you're familiar with the WWF

1198
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 1: slash WWE And I have the reason I used WWF

1199
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Speaker 1: is back in my day, it was the WWF and

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Speaker 1: it was a guy named the press person was a

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Speaker 1: guy named gene Okerland, mean gene Oakerland, and he was who,

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Speaker 1: you know, all the wrestlers picked on because he was

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01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:44,360
Speaker 1: the press, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, et cetera.

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01:10:45,479 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: And I always said that that Trump sort of viewed

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01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: us as mean gene Oakerland, that we were kind of

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01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: in on the joke, and he would say even say

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01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 1: things to me like, oh, this is good for your ratings,

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01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,439
Speaker 1: it's good for your name. I d you know, it

1210
01:10:56,479 --> 01:10:59,160
Speaker 1: only gives you more attention, it only makes you more money,

1211
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 1: it only gives you or book deals. That was his

1212
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:04,840
Speaker 1: mindset about it back then. It's I think that's a

1213
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 1: little more nefarious.

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01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 2: But I don't, you know, what what do you expect?

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01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:18,840
Speaker 1: What do you expect him to say? Sometimes when you ask,

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01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, I understand sort of like, you know, I'd

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01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:26,679
Speaker 1: rather press him on why is he pardoning a convicted

1218
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,719
Speaker 1: drug Uh? Why did he pardon somebody who was convicted

1219
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:35,320
Speaker 1: of being a drug trafficker? Are you taking you know?

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01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: Did you know?

1221
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 2: Did it? You know?

1222
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Speaker 1: Why do you pardon your friends?

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:40,519
Speaker 2: You know?

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,000
Speaker 1: Why did you pardon you know, Henry Kuayer? You know,

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Speaker 1: I think there are other questions that if you have

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01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: the chance at a shot a question, because let's say,

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01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 1: you know, why did you say that about Rob Bryner

1228
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: and his answer, I can tell you what his answer was, Well,

1229
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 1: he attacked me first. It's always that's always usually his

1230
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: defense when they came after me. You know, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have said anything had they not said this. You know,

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Speaker 1: he always says, I don't attack people, I defend myself,

1233
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:11,800
Speaker 1: so but I could, but I definitely you're right, there

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01:12:11,880 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: is less of this in Trump two point zero because

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01:12:16,320 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: many of us tried this in Trump one point oh,

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01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:20,280
Speaker 1: and it didn't seem to go anywhere, It didn't seem

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01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:26,160
Speaker 1: to didn't really produce an answer. You know, I think

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01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:28,719
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people, and I'm you know that

1239
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast that want the press to express

1240
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:38,000
Speaker 1: the outrage that they have. But it's the equivalent of

1241
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,920
Speaker 1: punching your you know, punching a wall, a dry wall.

1242
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 1: You know, you might punch a hole in the wall

1243
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: and you might feel strong, but then you've got to

1244
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,280
Speaker 1: go back and patch up the wall, and what have

1245
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: you really accomplished? You know, you can express your outrage

1246
01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 1: at him, he doesn't say anything satisfactory, and whatever he

1247
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 1: says will outrage people who are already outraged.

1248
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Speaker 2: And so it's.

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01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: You know, I think that's you know, I don't and

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01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: maybe that's not a satisfactory answer to you. I get it,

1251
01:13:10,200 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: But you know, there comes a point of you know,

1252
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:19,960
Speaker 1: is there anything to be gained in understanding more about him?

1253
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,320
Speaker 1: Or are you just trying to go viral for yourself

1254
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: right to Hey, look, I took on Donald Trump. Some

1255
01:13:28,240 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: of us are not in the game of just making

1256
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: this about ourselves, right, and so I think that's also

1257
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:39,240
Speaker 1: also plays a role on that front. Next question comes

1258
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Speaker 1: from Adam w Any writes, I'm curious about your thoughts

1259
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: on this. Affordability seems to be the central theme that

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01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:46,679
Speaker 1: Democrats seem to be winning on. One of the sneaky

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01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:49,160
Speaker 1: culprits of rising costs is the complete lack of competition

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01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: and various segments of the economy. Perhaps it is the

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01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,519
Speaker 1: lawyer in me, but I don't understand why democrats haven't

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01:13:53,560 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: begun at least bringing up the issue of breaking up

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Speaker 1: big monopolies. Thanks Adam w.

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Speaker 2: So, you're right, I think that.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I think there's going to be a fear

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01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: of doing that, but you know there's you know, I

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01:14:09,920 --> 01:14:13,679
Speaker 1: think the the stuff that's popular is when you point

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: out how these monopolies are costing you money. And so

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Speaker 1: I just had a interview with an economist on my

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Speaker 1: newsphere show a couple episodes ago where we spent a

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Speaker 1: lot of time on the issue of surveillance pricing and

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: the fact that you have this. We have this phenomenon

1275
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 1: these days of dynamic pricing, where basically the new goal

1276
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:45,439
Speaker 1: is to figure out, Hey, how do I maximize you know,

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,600
Speaker 1: you Chuck Todd have a little bit more money to

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01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:55,280
Speaker 1: spend versus you Jane Doe, who has less money to spend.

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01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,880
Speaker 1: I want to have you both as customers. But I

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01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: you know you can pay more than Jane Doe. How

1281
01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 1: can I get you to pay more in Jane Doe

1282
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Speaker 1: to pay me something? And I think that you know,

1283
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,880
Speaker 1: whether we've seen that airlines are thinking about going down

1284
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,800
Speaker 1: this road. There was a really good story and I

1285
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Speaker 1: think it was the Washington Post about Uber and lyft

1286
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 1: and how you know, on one phone, you know, based

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Speaker 1: on information they may have about you, the price is

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Speaker 1: one thing. On another phone, based on information they have

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Speaker 1: on the person who owns that phone, the price for

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Speaker 1: the same ride from the same location to the same

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Speaker 1: location is suddenly different. And how much of it is

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Speaker 1: based on what they think you're sort of Oh, I'm not,

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Speaker 1: I'm not that's too expensive for me versus that And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the type of of discrimination that will

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Speaker 1: really sort of, you know, middle class discrimination is when

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Speaker 1: the middle class grabs the pitchforks watch out right, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, when when the supposedly comfortable, you know, enough

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Speaker 1: to own a home, you know, have a couple, have

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Speaker 1: two cars, be able to afford kids college, all that stuff,

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Speaker 1: and they feel as if they're being taken advantage of

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Speaker 1: because they have a couple extra dollars, you know, the

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Speaker 1: middle and the upper middle class revolting. That's that's when

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Speaker 1: politicians sometimes finally finally start to pay attention to some

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Speaker 1: of these things. I think it's possible you will see

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Speaker 1: going after you know, tech monopolies on this, but we're

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Speaker 1: not quite there yet because I don't think the public

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Speaker 1: sees the evidence yet, right. I don't think we're you

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Speaker 1: kind of have to. The public needs to be a

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Speaker 1: bit better informed on this, and I think you're seeing

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Speaker 1: more and more coverage that's focused on so of how

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Speaker 1: consolidation in various industries has cost the consumer money. Now,

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Speaker 1: this is what I think has been the you know,

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Speaker 1: I think local media used to do consumer reporting a

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Speaker 1: lot better than national media, and the loss of local

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Speaker 1: journalism has really gutted the consumer journalism world. This is

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Speaker 1: where influencers, I think, come in, and this is something

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Speaker 1: that I think, if you know, I think trusted media

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Speaker 1: was higher when we had a lot more consumer reporters

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Speaker 1: dedicated to saving consumers money and from being ripped off.

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Speaker 1: And the lion's share of those reporters were on the

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Speaker 1: local level. So the gutting of local gutted out the

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Speaker 1: reporters that were providing a real service to average Americans.

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Speaker 1: And I think the you know, this is among my goals.

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Speaker 1: Why do I want to revitalize local news because I

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Speaker 1: think this is the biggest missing piece when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the lack of trust that we have nationally with media,

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01:17:57,800 --> 01:18:00,760
Speaker 1: is we lost our local character references and they did

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Speaker 1: a better job worrying about helping people on a local

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Speaker 1: level than we have the ability to do on the

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Speaker 1: national level. And so I think if once we know

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Speaker 1: there's more reporting locally on scams and pricing discrimination and

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Speaker 1: things like that, which is where you're more likely to

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Speaker 1: see this, then you'll hit critical mass and it becomes

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Speaker 1: suddenly something that they want politicians to do something about.

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Speaker 1: All Right, The last question for today is going to

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Speaker 1: come from Dave, and he writes, is Chuck really enjoy

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Speaker 1: the podcast? Appreciate the mixture of politics, history, and college

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01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 1: football right on. Also love the guests you have for

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01:18:38,640 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 1: interviews and all the information that comes from those conversations.

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Speaker 1: Can you tell us how interview prep has changed for

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Speaker 1: you from the shorter time limits you had to meet

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01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: the press to now being able to do long form

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01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: interviews on the podcast. Would love to hear some of

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Speaker 1: your thoughts on what you think makes a great guest

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01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,600
Speaker 1: conversation on your show. Thanks and happy holidays. Well, the

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Speaker 1: biggest thing is just right just having more time it

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01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:04,879
Speaker 1: means that I spend more time on a specific policy

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Speaker 1: idea that the guests may have in wanting to go four,

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01:19:09,160 --> 01:19:12,160
Speaker 1: five or six questions deep on said right. In a

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Speaker 1: meet the press, if somebody who was rolling out a

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Speaker 1: policy proposal for your eight to ten minute interview, you

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01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: do one follow up, maybe you know, maybe a second

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01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,200
Speaker 1: if it's you think it's really interesting to the viewers,

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01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:27,320
Speaker 1: then you end up moving on. We don't have to

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Speaker 1: do that here, and that's you know, that.

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Speaker 2: To me.

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Speaker 1: Allows for some of the nuanced debate and we end

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Speaker 1: up what you get and what I think I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you. You ask me what makes a good I think what

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01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:43,840
Speaker 1: makes a good conversation is when we end is when

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Speaker 1: you end up understanding all sides of an argument without

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Speaker 1: having me and the guests debate each other, because hopefully

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Speaker 1: I have asked a few of the let me ask

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Speaker 1: the perspective from the left, let me ask perspective from

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Speaker 1: the right, and needed depending on what their point of

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Speaker 1: view is, and that by the end of the conversation,

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Speaker 1: if you feel like that you would understand how this

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Speaker 1: issue would then get debated between sort of stereotypical left

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Speaker 1: versus stereotypical right, then I've accomplished something. Right then I've

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Speaker 1: given you a complete conversation that makes you prepared to

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Speaker 1: understand this issue no matter where else you end up

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Speaker 1: getting information about it. I think the best conversations are

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01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 1: when that when I kind of know them a little bit.

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Speaker 1: I think that always helps because they're more comfortable with

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Speaker 1: me because they know me a little bit. So I

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Speaker 1: think those make good conversation better podcast conversations. Obviously, I

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01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 1: do take a much less antagonistic posture because this is

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Speaker 1: you know, I always say this, you know it meet

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Speaker 1: the press. There was an expectation that this is an

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Speaker 1: accountability show, and this is where we're gonna you know,

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01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 1: you've got to you're test, you're testing your your beliefs

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01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:10,519
Speaker 1: that you know, you're you gotta, you gotta, you got

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01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 1: to tell them, you know, you got to explain your rationale.

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Speaker 1: And it's devoted to a you know, single issue or

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Speaker 1: a topic or a couple of topics versus here where

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Speaker 1: I may have, you know, a large singular reason for

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Speaker 1: booking that guest, say, on the issue of how do

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Speaker 1: we open up primaries, uh to to all voters. But

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Speaker 1: it means we can meander around a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: it's also you know, not everybody can carry forty five minutes,

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Speaker 1: so you have to be mindful of that, just like

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Speaker 1: you know, some people are great ten minute interviews, terrible

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Speaker 1: thirty minute.

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Speaker 2: Interviews and vice versa.

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Speaker 1: So in that sense, you've you've got to you've got

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Speaker 1: to know. But it is I will tell you this,

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Speaker 1: there was only one interview, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 1: say who it is. You guys might be able to

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Speaker 1: figure it out by just listening. There's only one interview

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Speaker 1: where I felt like I ran out of questions before

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Speaker 1: I ran out of time. And ultimately that means we're

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Speaker 1: doing a good job of booking. Because I hope to

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01:22:24,880 --> 01:22:28,120
Speaker 1: have the type of guests where we you know, an

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01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: hour is great, but believe it or not, there were

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01:22:31,160 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: some questions left on the table. If there are no

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Speaker 1: questions left on the table, then probably the guest wasn't

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Speaker 1: quite worth the forty five minutes I may have spent

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Speaker 1: with them. But I actually think since I started this

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Speaker 1: podcast re upped this podcast on April, I could think

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01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:49,920
Speaker 1: of only once that I sat here and I thought, boy,

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Speaker 1: I'm kind of exhausted from questions.

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Speaker 2: I got to go.

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Speaker 1: But I kind of if I finally go twenty minutes

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Speaker 1: with this interview, am I sending the signal that this

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Speaker 1: was a total dud?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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01:23:00,120 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: It's like I almost didn't want to do I didn't

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01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: think that was fair to the person. So I wanted

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01:23:04,360 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 1: to make sure I hit a minimum a minimum time slot.

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Speaker 1: My guess is I'm not I don't want to. I

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01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: don't want you guys to play the guessing game of

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01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: who it is. But it's usually pretty obvious when you

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01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: know somebody isn't working out. It's usually because they don't

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01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: want to answer questions, and you're like, well, why the

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01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:24,240
Speaker 1: hell did you come on here?

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Speaker 2: Right? What did you think this was going to be? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And and thankfully, in some ways the format is self selecting.

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Speaker 1: Right if you if you're not comfortable sort of having

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Speaker 1: a conversation for forty minutes with me, then you're not

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01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 1: going to come on anyway. So in that sense it

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01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: can be self selecting. Look, I wish I've had there

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01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 1: are there are a few more Republicans that I've been

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01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,400
Speaker 1: trying to get to come on that won't or haven't

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01:23:56,520 --> 01:24:00,360
Speaker 1: said yes yet. Hopefully they're listening right now, And I

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01:24:00,360 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: think I know why. Like it's not that they worried

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01:24:03,560 --> 01:24:07,759
Speaker 1: about me. They just somehow think that their own voters

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01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: will that that that they only want to spend forty

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Speaker 1: five minutes talking to their to their base. They're not

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01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: interested in talking to swing voters, talking to independence, talking

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01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:24,240
Speaker 1: to you the intellectually curious, And that's disappointing to me.

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01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: I think in it, I think once the Orange Man

1442
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: leaves the Oval office, these people I've been trying to

1443
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 1: get to come on will come on. But you know,

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01:24:36,479 --> 01:24:38,880
Speaker 1: I know that in for some for some of these folks,

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01:24:38,920 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 1: they don't want to They don't want to have to

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01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: not answer a question that they know is logical for

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01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 1: me to ask, which is just a disappointment, all right,

1448
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: but this is the world we live in. Look what

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01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,720
Speaker 1: Look what Susie Wilds just had to do. You know,

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01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: she had to put out an apology tweet for an

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01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: audience of one. And there are people that are always

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01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 1: looking to aggregate and cherry pick what somebody says. Hey,

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01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,000
Speaker 1: you know Tom Cotton said this to Chuck Todd on

1454
01:25:08,080 --> 01:25:12,599
Speaker 1: his Todd on his podcast. You know, and you know

1455
01:25:12,720 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: that's just unfortunately the way things, you know, things get

1456
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 1: weaponized on the on the stupid left and the stupid right,

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01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 1: which is right, We know right that it's those it's

1458
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:27,440
Speaker 1: those that are in the business of grifting you on ideology.

1459
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 1: And these people exist on the left and the right,

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01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:35,120
Speaker 1: my friends, that have scared off some of these folks

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01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:39,320
Speaker 1: from from coming and swimming in the intellectually curious pool.

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01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 1: But hey, come on in, the water's comfortable and if

1463
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: you're comfortable in your own skin, everything's going to be

1464
01:25:49,520 --> 01:25:52,000
Speaker 1: easy on the Chuck podcast. But if you're not comfortable

1465
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 1: in your own skin, then yeah, it's going to be

1466
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable forty five minutes.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen to another round of a great question.

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01:26:00,120 --> 01:26:03,960
Speaker 1: There's more, a lot more to come. I am also waiting.

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Speaker 1: I am curious. I've not gotten a lot of feedback

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01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:13,559
Speaker 1: yet from you, specific feedback on where you guys aren't

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Speaker 1: prediction markets. I just would love an array of experiences,

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01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:22,639
Speaker 1: the good, the bad, the ugly, you know again, non sports,

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01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,960
Speaker 1: the prediction markets, through the prism of non sports everything else.

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01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm very curious good experience, bad experience, you know, Are

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01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:37,480
Speaker 1: you curious, are you nervous? Any of those things? I am,

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01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:43,160
Speaker 1: Like I've expressed to you, I'm cautiously pessimistic about the

1477
01:26:43,200 --> 01:26:48,679
Speaker 1: prediction markets and yet and keeping an eye on them

1478
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: because somehow I have a feeling it's going to be

1479
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: more impactful than we want to admit.

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01:26:55,640 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: Anyway.

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01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 1: With that, I'm going to shut it down for another

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01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: twenty four hours, but I will be back in twenty

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Speaker 1: four hours, So thank you for listening until we upload again.